#3433 RHORI S1E14: Crackahs in the Facade

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1:23Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crap It's a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the glorious and the wonderful ronnie haram hi ronnie how's it going hi how you doing i'm i'm great i'm great my heart is full of great reunion goodness um today we're talking about rhode island the uh part two of their reunion their conclusion of their reunion and their first season uh join us on patreon.com watch for crappins you can watch us on video you get access to a free newsletter that uh even if you're not a patreon member you can read uh also ad-free listening all sorts of really great wonderful stuff but this is a jam-packed super size episode we really have to just dive right into it i'm just going to mention right now that there are rumors swirling that liz mcgraw is stepping away from rory after its first season radar online has been saying this i kind of i can see her being someone who has not enjoyed the edit that the audience lately has been like liz is mean and i can see like okay well i mean well then i'm

2:28Ronnie Karam: to go away the wicked witch the west goes away but i think that she's gonna lick her wounds and come back what do you think i think if she leaves it's because of this dino stuff and any involvement that this boat might or might not allegedly have because that's pretty fishy to have a boat that you guys are like oh he's got three months out of the moon he's got three weeks out of the mountain He just loves bullet fishing. You know, that's him. And then Dino, their best friend, was arrested for drug, you know, cartelling. Not cartelling, but you know what I mean. And he just denied a plea deal, by the way.

3:10Ronnie Karam: He just turned down a plea deal. So I think if there's somebody not coming back, it probably has to do with that. That would be my guess because she ain't going to leave this. You kidding? No way. She wouldn't leave. She wouldn't leave unless she had to.

3:27Ben Mandelker: I guess if she stays on the show, the rumors therefore become. I'm going. So we'll see. We'll see how that unfolds. Let's dive into this episode. I thought this was such a good episode. In fact, I think the entire Rhode Island reunion was pretty excellent. i would even wager to say that it may have been my like i would say it's like one of the very best freshman reunions we've seen from a real housewives i think like the high watermark is atlanta season one that reunion changed what reunions are all about but i think as like in since atlanta this may have been my favorite freshman reunion i thought the entire thing from start to finish was hilarious and this hour was so i mean it was there were moments i was just yelping out loud with laughter and joellen just took the reins i don't think we've ever seen anyone have such a deep store of receipts as joellen i don't even know how she gets these receipts but she had one after the other after the other she was ready she was hilarious i mean i have to say joellen in my book has actually ascended based off of this reunion alone it really made me appreciate her so much more and i think she went up another tier for me what did

4:45Ronnie Karam: you think i love the reunion i thought it was so fucking funny i mean it was really really good i mean to the point where i was like okay enough receipts like geez i know i felt bad at a certain point like at some point like drop it you made your point i felt like a customer service manager like oh my god how many receipts do i have to go through jesus christ can these all be real how much paper are we wasting i was like okay the lady's husband is cheating on her we know like

5:12Ben Mandelker: we all know you know i mean joellen basically got her receipts from cvs it was like it spat out like a long ass roll of paper for like one one candy bar she had a lot a lot on her receipts but

5:27Ronnie Karam: at the same time i was like it was impressed yeah it was a fun episode so rule is still trying it with her you're a nobody you're a fucking slut is what y 'all standing up like trying to come at her but very very slowly in ruler style and joellen's like guess what your husband's a slut

5:48Ben Mandelker: fuck you you sleep with doctors you have it after my husband you sleep with doctors i don't know what's bigger your mouth or what's in between your legs bitch she was like oh i'm gonna break your fucking nose and this is again she just did a face you can't do that you can't do that say something ruler you're fucking nuts ruler she's like oh you all fucking know you all know

6:12Ronnie Karam: she sleeps with doctors i mean look there's worse things to be accused of i know i know what i mean it's true a lot of us that's a compliment like wow i'm i'm dealing doctors yeah yeah yeah but Rula's screaming that she's a whore. Well, not screaming. She's ruling. You're a whore. You're a whore. But she wants to point the finger at everybody else. And she's like, oh, really? I'm a whore and your husband's not a whore? So she's like, put my husband aside. That's a different conversation. It's actually the whole conversation. Just say your husband's a piece of shit and he cheated on you and you're going to work on it privately.

6:56Ronnie Karam: For Christ's sake, Rula.

6:57Ben Mandelker: she's like you can't even admit that because it's already been admitted we already know what he did he's not a whore he made a mistake a bad mistake a series of choices a series of choices pertaining to sexual activity over and over and over again but he's not a whore and he's like okay we're gonna get into it just hold on one second because my life is so fucking interesting i was like I don't know about that part.

7:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, her and her husband really are into this hole. Because Brian later is like, yeah, you guys can thank me, huh? Because I gave you the best show, right? It's like the number one show because of me, right? Right? Thank me, guys. Thank me. So Annie's like, all right, okay. So Joellen says, you asked me for proof. I mean, you asked me. Which, again, she didn't necessarily come asking you for proof. You said, if you want me to prove this to you, I will. And she went, and then you continued to come with it over and over and over again. So, Andy, sorry. So, Liz is like, but Joe Allen, you know, don't try to sound like someone who came here with good intentions because you don't have good intentions, okay?

8:12Ronnie Karam: You can't be both. You can't be a person with receipts and a person with good intentions. That's not how it works.

8:19Ben Mandelker: here's the thing though I started off with good intentions I started off being nice she's like yeah but like everyone knows you didn't have good intentions well I told you because you were my friend Liz and Rola's like go deal with your own life I'm sure you got enough dirt you know that and he's like okay Joellen everybody in the state knows what you did Joellen's like she had a new nose then she got a new personality what's going on here and he's like okay alright let me ask you a question Okay, Rosie, this one's for you Rosie's like, what? But Rola's still like I don't talk trash I don't do that You just sleep with doctors Andy's like Okay, whatever He's like, when is the house ready?

9:05Ronnie Karam: Pizza for Mama wants to know You're trash You're trash is what you're When will your house be completed? Rosie's like, great, so I have to go now while the whore is being screamed across the room. Great. First segment July. Thanks for asking, Andy. He's like, yeah, we're going to, how many square feet are we going to get? You're going to get 5 ,000 square whores. That's what you're going to get.

9:29Ben Mandelker: 5 ,000 doctors for Joellen to have sex with. So, Andy's like, Kelsey, so she says it's 5 ,000 square feet. Was that satisfactory for you? She's like, yeah, I mean, I don't really care the size of a house. I also don't understand measurements or sizes or anything like i i squish garbage with my bare foot that's like the my vibe so um kelsey's like you know at the beginning she said it was 8 000 and there's 5 000 and rosie goes so um can i clear that up like we were supposed to have a third floor and he's like yes yes yes you're supposed to have a third floor yes i know like andy's visibly bored by this entire conversation

10:07Ronnie Karam: perhaps even the reason he just brought up i love it he's like yeah yeah yeah third floor smirk floor And Kelsey's like, but you had the plans from the house from the previous owner that you used. You didn't even make your own plans. Oh, my God, Kelsey, girl. Who cares? Who cares, Kelsey? And Rosie's like, nuh-uh, it wasn't the same plans. We had different plans. Joellen, you were the first person that was skeptical, am I right? You know what? I'm going to, like, go get my binder, you guys, because, like, I cannot deal with this. Like, this is, like, so much square footage slander. I can't even take it anymore.

10:41Ronnie Karam: That's why I have a binder, and I'm going to go get it. No. No. You have a binder. You bring it out here. You show it to everybody and you put it behind your goddamn pillow. You don't get to just get up and go back and forth to get a binder. Why didn't you bring it here?

10:56Ben Mandelker: Rosie made a mistake because it actually wasn't a binder. She actually said, I need to go get my briefcase. Because I remember thinking to myself, briefcase? And we see a flashback to earlier before the reunion. She's like bedazzled a briefcase that has all her receipts in it. because it but because it was so big she couldn't bring it out onto stage so she made all she made all this put all this effort into like presenting her evidence and she doesn't have it readily available so she gets up to go get her briefcase which she's really excited about it's her prop and andy after 20 years of real housewives finally figured out the like unassailable way to get a real housewife to stay on stage and sit down he goes no but we're talking about you and And if you leave, we won't be able to talk about you.

11:43Ben Mandelker: It's like, what?

11:46Ronnie Karam: Okay, I'm back. I'm back.

11:49Ben Mandelker: I get to be the center of attention?

11:51Ronnie Karam: I mean, Joellen really is doing it the right way. She doesn't need a binder. She doesn't need a briefcase. She's got a phone. Your phone is a computer. It has everything, you guys. Come on. Yeah. So she's like, I mean, she just says random shit. It's just too much, Andy. All right. Let me ask a question. Farmer from the Doe Wants to know Rosie I think you might be The first housewife To admit to bleeding Out of your butthole Do you really have To leave your job Because you're bleeding Out of your butthole That's crazy

12:20Ben Mandelker: Um Well I like Went on medical leave Because of the colitis And then I realized How great life was Like not getting up At 2 o 'clock in the morning Like getting up At 2.30 in the morning For like 10 years For like 15 years That's hard you know Yeah Especially when you're On a low rated show Like road tripping

12:39Ben Mandelker: Kelsey do you still believe she quit her job because she was sleeping with a higher up

12:44Ronnie Karam: so Kelsey well I don't think that you know like her job like her leaving her job was like as clean as she was describing it you know like I mean maybe the rumors were more towards the basketball coach than towards her job you know because there were relationships that were ruined with colleagues because there was an incident at her job but i don't necessarily think that's why

13:06Ben Mandelker: she left though what is kelsey saying this is gobbledygook so rosie is like um the reality is i have the documentation and i have everything in my briefcase back there that i wanted to get she's rosie has stink face on so bad she's so mad that she didn't get her prop and then now is where we see the flashback of her with her briefcase and leech is like what is that what What's in the box? She's like, oh my god, you really did come to the seats. You did a great job with that. It's beautiful. And she goes, what's in it?

13:37Ronnie Karam: And Rosie goes, it's more like what's not in it. What is that? What evidence is that? Here's a big box of things that aren't there. Yeah! Yeah, there's so much in here.

13:51Ben Mandelker: So Rosie says, I was watching the show, like, learning new things that I had done or being accused of. So, whatever. Whatever it is what it is. And Andy's like, okay, well, Alicia, tell me about when you and Billy first met. Was it love at first sight? No, I thought he was a stalker. He was a stalker? Yeah, he was a stalker. He was like the assistant with me. And I'm like, then he won me over. And I've just been like, I don't know. Been there, done that, dating. You know what I thought.

14:18Ronnie Karam: So he beat you down. Yeah, he beat me down, Andy. He beat me down. Metaphorically, I don't know what that is. Any wedding day yet? Uh-uh. But you know what? We're talking about it. And that's a big deal. It's a big deal. I love talking. I love it. I love it.

14:32Ben Mandelker: Who are you talking about? Billy, my daughter, my friends. I have an idea. It's not too soon, but I think like to go to Gruss and like Billy's family is from Gruss and like all that. But anyways, I just want to go there because like Mamma Mia, you know, that whole vibe. Like I love that Mamma Mia, like Italians and Greeks. I like that. I like that so much.

14:52Ronnie Karam: well we learned that billy works a million hours in his restaurants and it also takes the time to take selena to dance class so have you started helping with selena she's like no well it seemed like it took you the round you were gonna be able to do it it's like it's an hour it's an hour there it's like an hour down an hour back like i have anxiety that's anything 20 minutes i could do but You know what? It's my anxiety past 20 minutes It's this 20 minute

15:20Ben Mandelker: Timer anxiety. I love it Anxiety kicks in Let's talk about crackers I love a cracker A lot of people want to know if you'll be coming out with your own lot of crackers So I am working on making my own cracker Who you working with? This is one of my favorite things So you know like oyster crackers Them

15:45Ben Mandelker: You know how to chop the chip cookies? them. I love them. She doesn't have the brand name.

15:50Ronnie Karam: It's like I just call them oyster crackers. Okay, well, how do you stay so thin when you eat so many crackers? Jane's Fonda. I love Jane's Fonda. My Aunt Judy. She's the one that trained me on Jane's Fonda. Cut to Aunt Judy like, gulping a flask down the back of a car. She loves Jane's. She loves Jane's Fonda, so it stuck with me. It just stuck with me all this time.

16:15Ben Mandelker: But do you eat proteins not a lot i eat alma elements alabons alabons alabons oh almonds yeah almonds sometimes

16:26Ronnie Karam: maybe turkey pepperoni with like a cracker okay wow vicky from is back on tv inexplicably wants to know have you gotten more of a steak and pizza mama i'm sick no we don't go ahead we don't put steak on all pizzas no she's like well i'm getting some of it you know like i guess i get the merch which like i just realized like i don't even know you know that's the thing you know what this there's a lot of things you know i don't know so andy's like no i don't know what the fuck are you saying at any given time actually getting the merch is great because places like this you know You can go the Loverboy route or the There's Something About Her route where they made like a zillion dollars on merch, you know?

17:13Ronnie Karam: So score, babe.

17:15Ben Mandelker: I know. I think Andy could just like ask Alicia simple questions about things around the house and I'll be entertained for an hour because everything is like a funny story.

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18:20Ben Mandelker: Leona from Lewis says, why doesn't Alicia have a lawyer negotiate a better prenup deal and Billy can put up or shut up? So like if we were going to do that Well I almost got it but I was going to do that But like I basically got an F you So she says It just shut me down and made me realize It's like not a fairy tale it's all about business So Who here on the cast actually has a prenup And then like no one Raises their hands and then all of a sudden Very late very belatedly Rula raises her hand slowly And of course Joelle's like raised her hand Slowly

18:57Ronnie Karam: yeah really goes well we each have our own we each have our own and it was my idea he's like i bet wow seemed to trigger the rest of the ladies that billy didn't put your name on the house is your name on the house yet she goes i'm he calls it a trust like this is what he tells me you're in a trust what's a trust like that's what frustrates me i don't know what it is now i just want the easy old school thing you know i want to see my name on the house like what's a trust what is that and ruler's like it's a vehicle it's a vehicle that you put assets in so your assets are safe however the vehicle has a dashboard and if anybody wants to change it with ai they can do it so you

19:36Ben Mandelker: need to be very very careful with ai well you know i don't like to drive so like why would i drive the trust that's good i already have anxiety andy like that's what i mean like what like this is why i feel like he does stuff like this because he's like an attorney and then he like tells me about it and i get bored and so i feel like that's how he took advantage of me because it's i'll be like all right next week like don't bore me with this like you know i don't want to hear about it she's like i want to i want to be involved in the conversations they're so boring though yeah she's like but do not talk to me about it and then she feels like he hasn't given her anything

20:07Ronnie Karam: because he put it in a trust which means he did give her everything it's in a trust but she's like what's a trust that's stupid i'm not going to talk about that what he treats me like an idiot so i I don't have a house. Bam.

20:20Ben Mandelker: Ashley tries to insert herself into this reunion because she's said all of two things. And she's like, you know, Alicia, as I've gotten to know you and Billy Moore, Billy would never, ever leave you without half. And I just want you to be safe, too. But that is such a good man. Like, what are you talking about, Ashley? And also, when a relationship goes sour, don't trust any of these men when it comes to the money. They go for all of it.

20:43Ronnie Karam: All of it. But especially someone that comes from the bachelor world. She's like, you know what men are? Trustworthy. Yeah, totally trust them. So they all agree that Billy's the best. And Andy asked Rosie if she's 50-50 on her house. And she is because she paid for half of it too. Thank you very much. So Joellen turns to Kelsey and smile at each other. Like, huh. And Rosie's like, you can keep looking at each other. I mean, I can get the paperwork for you if they'll let me bring out my briefcase.

21:16Ben Mandelker: And Kelsey's like, well, I know you got two mortgages on your house, babe. Because, you know, when you say babe, it's always like... Babe has been weaponized in modern parlance now. So when someone says babe, it's like, mm. And so Rosie's like, she's like, um, we have a construction loan. And Kelsey's like, and a mortgage, babe. Anyone can look that up. And Rosie's like, um, it's buttled together. Like, this is, like, very normal.

21:42Ronnie Karam: Kelsey's a literal idiot. She's like, you have a mortgage. You have a loan. It's called owning things, Kelsey. You fucking twit. Oh, my God.

21:55Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's like what happens.

21:57Ronnie Karam: That's literally how it works with everybody except the super rich who just go buy their house, you know. Exactly. That's always a funny diss on Housewives when they're like, oh, really? You have a mortgage. Remember that was like a Beverly Hills thing. How dare you?

22:15Ben Mandelker: That was such a strange claim. So Kelsey's like, she's making it seem like she just paid$689 ,000 for a house. Babe, you have a mortgage with 10 % down. Relax. She's like, I never said that. That's not how normal people buy houses. It's crazy that she just always has to go after me. I mean, I have a literal briefcase and she's still going to go after me.

22:36Ronnie Karam: Did you look up her mortgage information? She's like, someone sent it to me. Oh, really, Joellen?

22:44Ben Mandelker: yeah i'm sure it was gary who works in mortgages the easiest detective the detective story there like someone sent her the mortgage oh it was the guy who's married to the woman who's been bringing up all the receipts for everyone always in that field it's literally joellen every single thing

22:59Ronnie Karam: is joellen i heard it from somebody so kelsey's like yeah but like you're making it seem like i can't afford a house and she's like listen i'm sorry for whatever i've done to upset you just I don't want you to be upset with me. Please accept my apology.

23:15Ben Mandelker: Do you accept her apology and her eye roll afterwards? And Kelsey's like, well, I don't look. Actions speak louder than words. And like, you're just as bad as me. So like, let's not say I'm the only mean girl here. We are both doing it to each other. We're like a double mortgage of our relationship.

23:35Ronnie Karam: Well, after weeks of you attacking me, like I attacked you back. Axel and Joelle was like saying that she was like, you know what? Like at the pageant, like that her ex paid off the judges. Like that's what you did to her. Rosie's like, oh my God, well, you keep doing nasty things to me. Yeah, I'm so nasty. I'm sorry. I said, I'm sorry. Okay, let's hold there. We'll pick it up after the break. Can someone explain to Alicia what her trust is?

23:59Ben Mandelker: So Rula turns to Liz. She goes, don't worry. I don't think that you're too scary. And she goes, so then now that meanwhile, the husbands have all arrived and they're in the husband's lounge getting mic'd up and everything. And Jerry is like, hey, Brian, who are you texting? And he's like, who am I texting? I'll show you right here. I'm texting my father. Does your father in your cell phone as big boob girl? Yes. Why did dad send you a boob pic?

24:29Ronnie Karam: What the hell? It's like father. and gary's like oh how do you think the ladies are doing out there hey how do you think everybody's doing do you think everybody's still doing okay out there and uh billy is like well there's gotta

24:44Ben Mandelker: be a couple of wars right and jared's like so are you team kelsey or team rosie or in my case team latte and billy's like well she's my little slam big so yeah um oh i'm sorry that's the other Billy. That's so funny. Our note taker has to say Billy parentheses Kelsey. Because they're two Billys. And I read it as Billy parentheses Alicia.

25:08Ronnie Karam: Billy, Billy, Jerry, Gary, and Brian. So it's very Jersey. So then the guys are just all like, oh, I thought that fight was really crazy, huh? Wow. So then Alicia's Billy is like, I don't even know why that fight i didn't even know what happened until i watched the show alicia didn't tell me you know i would be like how's the day and she'd be like i i can't tell you it was terrible i can't tell you i can't it was terrible i don't remember i'm so stressed out bye bye gotta go it's very i

25:39Ben Mandelker: can fully imagine that happening you know um so now we're back on the stage and um joellen's like look at the back of my dress right now they had to sew it together they had to sew it because you sleep with doctors too many doctors rip the back of your dress a quiet ruler um so there andy's like liz how long have you and jerry been together she's like almost 22 years he's like wow i'm like that's a long time a long time yeah well a couple of stints off here and there well okay well i guess everyone needs a break including me i want to go home right now

26:17Ronnie Karam: All right, we're back. Kelsey, when you competed for Miss USA, the announcer said Kelsey was once struck by a drunk driver. While she was at the hospital, a neurologist discovered she had a brain tumor. It's not a rumor. The doctors removed the tumor. Was that announcer ever given credit for rhyming? Because that one's pretty good. It's pretty clever.

26:40Ben Mandelker: We'd love to hire him to do the intros for Watch What Happens Live.

26:44Ronnie Karam: so kelsey i didn't know that they were gonna say that until i was there but like you know i did get hit and you know i went to make sure that i was okay but it turns out that you know they accidentally found a brain tumor it was an accident and is it true you put off brain surgery

27:01Ben Mandelker: to compete in a regional pageant she's like yeah because it was like the size of almost like a golf ball and if i didn't get removed i would have lost all my peripheral vision but it was worth it to be in a pageant. Okay, great. All right.

27:17Ronnie Karam: That runner-up trophy didn't win itself.

27:23Ben Mandelker: Okay, so Swiffer from Webjet says, there's a rumor circulating online that Kelsey may have been an escort and charged$29 ,000 for dinner and dessert. Have you heard that? She's like, I would never get dessert on a date. So this is totally false.

27:40Ronnie Karam: How many times have we seen me eat dessert? Thank you. Case rested.

27:45Ben Mandelker: I've never sold any of my holes for money. Just want to say it. Just let me get this straight. Never sold any of my holes for money.

27:53Ronnie Karam: Rosie goes, that's an interesting way of saying it. First of all,$29 ,000 for dinner and dessert. Sign me up. Where do you get that? I mean, if you did that, good for you.

28:04Ben Mandelker: I'd give up one of the holes for it, I suppose. One of them.

28:08Ronnie Karam: i give whatever hole you wanted i give you my ear holes like literally 29k fuck yeah and dessert

28:15Ben Mandelker: i mean that's part of the payment so um kelsey's like i have proof of me going to the state barracks for getting harassed by somebody and they were stealing my photos and making fake pages of me i'm like well to be fair it did take us about 12 weeks to figure out the difference between you and Rosie. So it's understandable that someone may have confused you for an escort in Rhode Island because we all kind of think everyone looks the same on this show. This sounds crazy.

28:44Ronnie Karam: So she's like, well, yeah, it was somebody else that was using my face to be an escort. And Andy's like, well, how would you book that person? And she says, all of a sudden it stopped because I was looking and then it stopped so we don't know who it was no like i know i know it was some actual escort in boston who was hanging around the same crew of people that i was hanging out with you know so i'm kelsey what so you were hanging around a crew of the people of people that also hung out with escorts and one of them used your face but you're not an escort and then it stopped

29:25Ben Mandelker: I don't know if she's an escort, if she ever was an escort. I honestly don't even care because I think there's no shame in the game. And like you said,$29 ,000 for dinner and dessert, go for it. Do what you need to do. And I also don't think that just because she's in an untraditional relationship that then that equates to her being an escort. What I do think is that she's not a very smart person. and listening to her explain things and trying to like understand mortgages and all these different

29:54Ronnie Karam: concepts is hilarious i literally never came into this even thinking that she was an escort but after her answers i think she just shouldn't answer things she's just one of those people she should just say no she should do like brian later and say i can't answer this a court case no matter what it is like what'd you have for breakfast today don't tell me it's gonna sound stupid yeah like what happened to her pageant training on how to answer questions that you

30:20Ben Mandelker: don't know the answers for you know yeah i don't know but she says i've never been an escort i

30:25Ronnie Karam: would never be an escort okay well scott's from dale said kelsey when you were with your ex you two had an agreement can you explain what that agreement was and she's like well no look there was no agreement right and that's why i really don't align with like the polyamory title but But you knew he was seeing other people. Whoa. Like, okay, yeah. So I learned things the longer I was with them, that there was somebody else. And then that kind of went away. And then at that point, it was kind of like a free-for-all. And I didn't really know who he was with. Didn't she say in the beginning of this season, I'm with this guy.

31:01Ronnie Karam: I get to live the life I want to live. And he has other girlfriends and a separate life where he lives half the year. And it's fine by me. Yeah. Yeah. she did say that so so why change it just stick with it do you think she's getting like a lot of

31:18Ben Mandelker: online shame about it probably and again she's just not a very bright person so andy is like were you ever jealous she goes um at the beginning when there was like one other person in another state i'd be like a little jealous until i met up with that person and had a mutual understanding and agreement not to post each other with him online and then after that it kind of was like out of sight out of mind so like different state don't care also he took the seeds out of my lemons

31:42Ronnie Karam: so i mean that that counts for a lot for me so he asked uh that was happening in miami and she says yeah is she still with him it's just she's like no they haven't been together since 2020 because like one thing people don't understand is people age at the same time

32:02Ben Mandelker: so does he have a new girlfriend um i'm sure he has women that he takes out and does like a lot of you know stuff and he was well he was dating paula abdul i'd just like to add and she's she's and she's so proud she's like he did before me yeah i used to stay at paula abdul's house with him and when we went to la they're friendly now yeah it's great okay so how does she meet the act

32:26Ronnie Karam: She's like, oh my god, we met at a tanning salon, right, Joellen? Because it was like, Joellen worked there. And the owner of the tanning salon and my ex were best friends.

32:37Ben Mandelker: So Andy's like, wow, so your ex originally agreed to be on the show, everyone. But then he changed his mind. Yeah, before he knew it was Housewives, he was on my casting tapes. And then as soon as he knew it was Housewives, he was like, nope, nope, not happening. Did Paula get to him?

32:55Ronnie Karam: Because he watches Housewives I love the answer She's like yeah he watches The girls are going to be talking about me I have no control over it And he's like well interestingly enough He was very talked about

33:09Ben Mandelker: He's like What was his reaction to the show She's like oh he likes it So he likes it but didn't want to be on it I guess because he knew If he was on it he probably would get the same Scrutiny that Brian got And also the illegal dealing

33:24Ronnie Karam: and such and like look at all the people who were you know famously in prison after their housewives stint you know yeah so um they talk a little bit about where she's living she's living with bill and now she has been cut off of her uh sugar daddy payments but she bill pays for her car and she pays for her health insurance and he asks about at dinner with uh kelsey and joe ellen um you mentioned you also had an ex-boyfriend paying for things anyone else been in a relationship like this no no no rula no no nobody nobody and kelsey's like you're missing out guys you're missing out

34:06Ben Mandelker: rula how are you and brian doing we're doing a lot better right now andy day by day day by day working on things i love that show oh i guess i was step by step either way i love i love one thing by one thing so andy's like show of hands who thinks that rula was really sick and so they all sort of like raise their hands slowly reluctantly and was like well it didn't seem like it though and actually well it was stress induced for sure and um we see a flashback of her being sick etc so joellen's like i think it was mental and it was causing havoc on your body at least she's like yeah yeah your body breaks down when you're not even stressed we don't have a cracker i get sick Like every time I drive the car, the anxiety just makes me sick instantly.

34:52Ben Mandelker: Can't do more than 20 minutes.

34:53Ronnie Karam: I was at the hospital twice and on my back for 14 days. I was like so effing sick. But there's definitely stress that piled on the entire summer. Not going to lie. It was Joellen. It was the Joellen stress. It almost killed me. He's like, the stress of your marriage? And she's like, absolutely. And Joellen's like, well, you agreed it happened the whole summer with Brian, the mistress? do you agree do you agree or do you not agree i i don't know i know he was saying and doing things

35:25Ben Mandelker: so she wouldn't go buck wild it's like oh and that's what bra was telling you and so you and so because he was telling you this you were able to discount what joe allen was telling you yes i was because i was so sick andy sicker than a dog sicker than you could ever imagine the sickest of all time just wishing that all this stuff would stop coming to me obviously it was part of the reason why I was getting sick all the time and why I lost all the weight and why my nose changed shape. And I wish people could respect the fact that I'm trying to work on things. You know, we had a tracking app. He's, you know, he'll be around.

36:00Ben Mandelker: And then I knew he was at work, things like that.

36:04Ronnie Karam: Wait a minute. You had a tracking app on him. You had each other's locations. And why was he tracking your car? She goes, I have no idea. What do I know? And Joel's like do you remember me telling you he had to track on you i knew he had to track on you remember

36:21Ben Mandelker: remember maybe i can't recall clearly because the stress and the illness and the stress illness but maybe you did and we do see never before seen footage a polo of joellen uh asking brian do you track her because you told the mistress you did he goes um uh uh that was a long time ago you know i i don't track her she's like oh no because she told me that like what like a week

36:43Ronnie Karam: ago she said you track her this i love it i love it god this guy is just terrible terrible man everything that comes out of his mouth did you see the mistress posted let me see where it no she's always posting what's the latest now um oh god where is it i had it in here i have pictures of random people um well i won't read it verbatim but it was something like I don't only have receipts I've got box loads of information that I could give it's like okay alright are you not getting enough attention lady she's posting all over everything so basically Andy's like okay we'll get into it with the husbands we'll get into the husbands okay so Alicia said that she had a Spanish teacher who was married to Brian and Rula goes, I know her.

37:37Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm sure you know her. It's Brian's ex-wife. She goes, yes. Yes, Andy. So did you have an affair with Brian while he was married? She goes, no, God, no. Brian was already divorced a good year and a half, two years, 15 years, 30 years before I was introduced to him.

37:56Ben Mandelker: He is actually just born three days beforehand, but he has a special syndrome where he actually grows into a middle-aged man the moment you meet him and then stays that age. So, you know, this was all brand new information. So Joellen's like, oh, okay, really? So, like, what year did you guys get introduced? She goes, why? Why? I'm just wondering, Rula. No, no, no, Joellen. No, no, no. What year did you get married? When's your anniversary?

38:22Ronnie Karam: Well, how long have you been with Brian?

38:25Ben Mandelker: Why can't you answer when your anniversary is, huh?

38:27Ronnie Karam: We met in 2013. Uh-huh, okay.

38:31Ben Mandelker: And what year was Brian divorced? 2010. And what year did you get married? 20

38:38Ronnie Karam: Why are you asking these questions? Why are you asking these questions?

38:42Ben Mandelker: Wait a minute And Andy's doing this thing where he's looking left and right And he has that little smile on his face Like oh great I love when someone else does the job for me

38:52Ronnie Karam: Well I'm just curious because you said they got divorced in 2010 right? But then they didn't get divorced in 2010 They got divorced in 2016 joellen joellen he's got the divorce document so do i i've got the divorce document right here it's on my phone don't even try to go that joellen because he got divorced in march of 2016 so when was your anniversary so what was the date of that joellen ask brian when he comes okay

39:20Ben Mandelker: yeah oh ask brian when he comes like you can't say your anniversary she goes that's none of your business so when's your anniversary it's like yeah what's what's the actual accusation are they married and he's like oh so you don't think that they're married and ruler's like oh my god all right joelle and she sleeps with doctors she goes no i don't know if they are i'm asking when is your

39:43Ronnie Karam: anniversary yeah so andy's like are you legally married and she's like i'm 100 legally married And can you say the date? That's none of your business. Well, when you got pregnant, was Brian still legally married? No. Yes, he was. Yes, he was. Yes, he was. So Rula says that they met in 2010. The divorce evidence that Joellen shows us, like we see it, and it says that the divorce was initially filed in 2011. So, I mean, they filed in 2011. So, you know, maybe it took forever to get divorced. but they did file but still like if you met in 2010 and then it's like a basket basket weaving

40:24Ben Mandelker: there's a lot of overlapping a lot of overlapping yeah there's a lot sarula's like that's not the truth joelle and oh i have proof she goes who the are you you're a psychopath because i know thank you she's so proud it was like one of these just a great just a great like forever reunion moment that we'll be remembering for years to come it's like what's the big deal i mean i had

40:48Ronnie Karam: a baby out of wedlock what's the big deal just go ahead and say it she's like joe well and really went to your wedding why you're going there i'm just asking we've been married for nine and a half 10 15 37 years what do you want from me joe well and well really then brian is a polygamist

41:06Ben Mandelker: right right kelsey because he must have been married to you and the spanish teacher at the same time really goes well this is news to my ears why don't you go ahead and show us so joellen's like well he got divorced in march of 2016 and you got pregnant in february and and okay let's look at the evidence okay let's take a look and so it's there like it's real deal evidence that's

41:31Ronnie Karam: indisputable yeah so it says filed on 7-7-2011 there there you go so um so case in case dismissed so joellen's like um well when does it say it closed rule out when did when did it finalize

41:49Ben Mandelker: 3-24-2016 nah just i know ask him go ahead and ask him she goes the quets don't lie she goes well ask him i just and he's like well i think it's interesting he has lied to you before so is it possible that he'd lied to you about these dates she's like i don't know ask him it's the

42:12Ronnie Karam: first i'm hearing of any of this so okay so she said that he got divorced in she she said they've been married nine or ten years and it's 2026 2025 in this film so that would be nine or ten years right i don't know why i'm trying to make room i think she's trying to at this point now she's

42:30Ben Mandelker: like afraid of giving up any information because she knows it's like classic police rules anything you say or do will be used against you and she's not like sharp enough to know how anything's gonna be used against her so she's just trying to keep all her cards close to the vest but joellen really has her here and andy is as the moderator he's being nice by he's not saying he you know he lied to you he's saying he's like oh but have you considered that that maybe he might have lied to so rule has been gone essentially yeah it's almost like it's actually painful it is painful and joelle

43:05Ronnie Karam: was like how would you guys be married it's just because joelle and we got blessed by a priest oh my gosh well we know that that does not mean you're married we're watching bravo here okay multiple shows have storylines of we had a great wedding oh never found the paperwork

43:21Ben Mandelker: yeah exactly what if it was maxi priest it's like it wasn't even a religious priest it was just maxi priests so ashley is like um well it doesn't matter not knowing about it doesn't matter it really goes this is none of your business joanne goes i was just asking when your anniversary is i know it's difficult to talk about you called me a liar i'm not a liar i tell the truth every single time and i'm gonna prove this point for the next 55 minutes of screen time oh my gosh she's like

43:49Ronnie Karam: You know what you want. You know what you've done. You've got rap sheets. She goes, did you get pregnant while Brian was still married to his wife? Really? Really? Because according to the paper, unless he lied to me. No, Joellen. He was living on his own.

44:06Ben Mandelker: She goes, fine. Divorces take a while. I get it.

44:09Ronnie Karam: And he goes, okay, hold that thought.

44:10Ben Mandelker: Hold that thought. You're just getting a little bit too good at this. Okay? The men of Rhode Island are going to join us. Don't go anywhere. I'd love to see you ask these questions to Brian. Okay. Commercials, here comes one right now.

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45:16Ronnie Karam: So here come the men. The guys are all getting their mics checked, and Gary's like, I'm getting a little nervous here. I could go for a bit of julep.

45:26Ben Mandelker: Not what I expect Gary to say. But they put the mic on him. He goes, hey, this is Gary reporting live. It's like me when I was a kid with the camcorder.

45:36Ronnie Karam: So they all come out and are complimenting the ladies and stuff. And then they sit down, and Kelsey's like, Jerry, is that Armani? Wow. He's like, you guys are beautiful. I could kiss everyone, but I won't ruin anyone's makeup.

45:55Ben Mandelker: So they sit down and Dron's like, she tells Gary, we were just screaming at each other. I was like, when's your anniversary? And she's like, I'm not telling you. She's like, got it, dude. Got it. So welcome back.

46:09Ronnie Karam: We're joined by the husbands, boyfriends, and fiancés. fiance is in Rhode Island Jared, Ridge, Brian, Jerry, Billy, Gary, Bill, Jerry, Gil, Jerry, Billy, Billy, Billy, Darren, Darren, Derek. Do I have any of these clothes? Oh, hey, guys, Jerry, Mazel on the grandbaby. He's like, yeah, yeah. How's the pizza business going, Billy? He's just asking all the little questions and stuff. And then Jared is talking about his ice machine. Because Andy's like, is the ice machine fixed yet?

46:44Ben Mandelker: there was actually i'm not saying that i was pining for more jared content but like literally the only this is the only question i think that jared got which was did you fix your ice machine and i would have liked a question like do you like your wife that would have been fun or do you like your coffee do you like your coffee shop more than your wife what do you like more the sound of the foamer or your wife i just anything you know but uh it was just about this ice machine and that was

47:14Ronnie Karam: it jared you clearly hate your life okay moving on so jared says that because of the show the guy who made the ice machine called jared and was like we're fixing that ice machine i'm doing it myself damn it so you go ice guy um then we're talking about how hot gary is and he's like well i think

47:37Ben Mandelker: for that bot that monster win yeah well i have from interaction says gary and joellen can you straighten out your timeline for us first comes jed then comes joellen how far after jen did you and joellen start dating he's like uh it was during high school and i met joellen and then after high school we just started getting together and then i definitely knew jen first and like we were all in a class together high school became good friends good friends but yeah like uh i want to put you know jen was like you know the younger sister so like whatever but did you ever donate your sperm would you ever donate your sperm to jenny's like i wouldn't donate i would just give it straight up just get put it right in there that's it in fact i have the process no deposits

48:23Ronnie Karam: being made over handy but you did touch your boobs in the seventh grade he's like i did get a nice fistful of boobs in the sun right yes that's true all those full bulbs kelsey you and billy there are timelines for a wedding and she's like no i just feel like life is getting exciting you

48:42Ben Mandelker: know but for him like if i say go he'll drop right babe and he's like yeah absolutely and so just He's like, explain drop. And he's like, okay, well, you mean you'll drop on a need propose? He's like, oh. Jerry's like, I thought you meant drop the shorts. No, I thought you meant drop your spam, you know? Like, oh, my God, you guys, stop. So Andy's like, okay, Kelsey, there was some question relating to the timeline of your breakup. And as it related to production of the show, you two were actually at odds for, like, a year. Is that right? He's like, yeah, I mean, there have been times where, like, I've been broken up with him three or two times a year.

49:21Ben Mandelker: And I went to the barracks and I was like, he's broken up with a different girl using my photos and things like that. But I did sleep at his house and people would see him, Bill, and they wouldn't even know what's going on. And my relationship is very complex to a lot of people to understand. I was like, because the stories don't make sense.

49:38Ronnie Karam: And she keeps saying that. Like, my relationship is just so complex. No, it wasn't complex. You were sleeping with an older guy for money and then you were cheating with Billy because that guy was cheating all the time too. More power to you, sister. But it's not complex. Stop. And Billy's like, oh, yeah, we didn't even have sex with nothing for a whole year. I wanted to wait. Mm, okay. So then Andy's like, well, how are you affected by the rumors of Liz and Dino? And Jerry's like, not affected. We were great friends. And now he's become more famous than us, I think, huh?

50:15Ben Mandelker: For all the wrong reasons. jerry earlier today liz said you were separated and ruler brian called you and told you that liz was another man and you know liz is doing this whole thing of like and that was the plan it worked out like which by the way i do not believe whatsoever and so andy is like his andy's like ruler said she didn't call you did ruler brian call and jerry's like no they didn't call and And Rula's like, thank God. My friend called and put them on the phone. She's like, no. My friend called and put Brian on the phone.

50:48Ronnie Karam: And Joanne's like, wait, what? Okay, wait, a friend called and put Brian on? So Rula's like, I didn't even know this. So then she turns around and gives Brian the look. Oh, so Brian was on the phone. Yeah, Brian was on the phone with me. So did Brian tell you that Liz was with another man? she was dancing with another man and rila's like but i didn't know who he was just so you guys know i'm innocent am i right so this just basically proved what i said the whole time innocent

51:21Ben Mandelker: brian has one of his um full-throated responses he's like yeah i mean hey he asked me a question and i said i think so and i didn't even know he was talking to you and i'm in a lawsuit with the phone company so i really can't talk about what i said so liz is like see and i wanted to thank you both because that was the objective was to be found we were separated and all his friends

51:44Ronnie Karam: were around me all night i certainly didn't try to hide it uh so we congratulate billy on his re-proposal and um he he's like have you amended the prenup and alicia's like quick question And Billy's like laughing nervously. And he's like, oh, it's touchy. I mean, look, that was eight years ago. I wish I'd handled it differently, you know, because I'm an attorney. I set a one-sided agreement. So her attorney wouldn't spend money drafting an agreement. And I literally emailed her attorney. This is just a draft. Tell us what Alicia needs to be comfortable. And then her attorney did. And I had gotten an attorney as well.

52:24Ronnie Karam: And we pretty much agreed to almost everything she asked for. but she just got so upset from the initial way it came off to her and she's like you know what because i'm not a lawyer like i was mad i had to do that like i had to get a lawyer it's not old school it's not old school at all billy what was your job before you got in the food business he's

52:46Ben Mandelker: like well i was in the food business because of my family but i was a corporate m &a attorney mergers and acquisitions and he's like so you're savvier than the average pizza guy which is pizza guys are like hey so billy is like yeah i guess to say the least you know so andy's like well uh can you talk about this trust a little bit like i don't think that she fully knows what uh trust is and he goes correct she can just come with me to the estate attorney and we'll go through it and she's like oh but it's so boring i just want a quick answer i heard it was a car is it a chrysler he's like no no and he's like so um billy are you sensitive to her feeling like she's not fully enough of a participant in your finances and think yeah you

53:34Ronnie Karam: know so i consistently ask it let's do a once a month meeting oh my god meetings oh god oh god i can't do this what's it mean with a lawyer like i can't do that like why would i have to do that and andy's like billy i'm starting to sympathize with you she's like oh my god the money talk my brain shuts down like where am i right i can't see i can't see right now where am i oh my god someone called the oyster cracker called the oyster cracker people tell them i'm blind i can't

54:03Ben Mandelker: do my cracker anymore so andy's like well it sounds like uh she went back on driving selena to dance how's that going and he's like oh god i am willing to give alicia more if she just drives to and from dance so with that said alicia i have something for you okay it's an updated prenup and all it says is i will give you literally every single thing i will hand over all of pizza mama i just i'm sick of driving salina to dance i don't know it's too much i can't i can't do it I don't know.

54:35Ronnie Karam: I don't know. Yeah. So the prenup says that she gets half if she just takes the damn kid to dance. And she's like, okay. Okay, I will. And she goes, does my mom count? I'm going to pawn it off on her mom.

54:49Ben Mandelker: He's like, I've run out of podcasts. I'm literally listening to Static now. I've reached the end of the internet. There's nothing for me to do. So many hours driving Selena to dance. Please, please drive her.

55:00Ronnie Karam: So Alicia takes a pen and signs the agreement. And she's like, I kind of feel bad, Billy. And Andy's like, well, maybe you should read that first, okay? Because we've had a housewife who didn't read the documents her husband gave her. And Ruella's like, I'd read it, but I don't want to be liable.

55:20Ben Mandelker: And Jerry's like, I don't want to be liable. So then she signs it. It's great. And Andy's like, do you feel great? And Brian, how are you feeling? He's like, I feel great. Really? hey, you know, sometimes, Andy, you have to hit rock bottom before the Lord can bring you back up. That was Brian's one attempt. He clearly was like, chat GPT, what should I say? And he's like, okay, this should probably be enough. They'll see I'm a devoted religious man, and the heat will be off for me.

55:47Ronnie Karam: Brian's really lured in there. A lot of Jesus emanating off Brian there. So, you know, someone would argue being on a reality show while an affair is in progress or maybe just ended might be not the best idea. Did you ever think you were going to get caught? And he's like, unfortunately, Andy, because of legal reasons, I can't really comment too well on that.

56:11Ben Mandelker: What?

56:12Ronnie Karam: Well, you know, I'm bound by a non-disclosure agreement.

56:19Ben Mandelker: This is like Huda avoiding every question last year in the Love Island reunion because she said, I'm in a Netflix show. So unfortunately, I can't disclose anything. I can't speak on anything because of Netflix.

56:31Ronnie Karam: So you were in a lawsuit with this person. What's the nature of the lawsuit? Rula's like, I don't think you can speak on that, honey. Can you? He's like, no, no, no. I can't really speak to that, Andy. Okay, you can't speak to what the lawsuit is? And Gary's like, I mean, that's just ridiculous. Come on. I can speak on it, Andy. He opened a business. He made this individual and another individual pod owners to keep them engaged. Rula, what are you doing here? get out of this relationship this man started a business with his woman his affair woman so he'd

57:07Ben Mandelker: have an excuse to see her even more rule not to keep her if you want to like keep your your employees engaged you like take them out to happy hour or something you don't make them actual partners of your business it's really like and this is before anything was going on okay let's be clear well in that case the engagement seemed to have really worked so andy's like did you know he made her a pot owner and rule's like he told me i wasn't thrilled so yada yada yada fast forward they gave up their shares back to him what am i forgetting i'm like maybe where the lawsuit is

57:41Ronnie Karam: if they gave up the shares yeah joan's like a lot you're forgetting a lot well he can't say he's in a lawsuit yeah but one individual ended up suing brian she was a nurse practitioner for some funds and then brian ended up suing him rule is like oh my god i can't again with this receipts lady

58:00Ben Mandelker: and joellen's like well go ahead say it then you said what am i forgetting i was helping you and roland goes not everybody makes it their business to go poking in other people's business i mean you literally called up her business like you literally called joellen's business to try to get her fired or at least brian did so joellen's like well i do i have nothing better to do i'm unemployed thanks to brian which is great she's like i got time on my hands because of you guys So I'm going to look up all your shit.

58:27Ronnie Karam: No, no, Joellen. Don't say that. It's not Brian. It's because you use the company card for things you can't afford. She's like, what? What are you talking about? Okay, okay. So the business. No, let's get back to some Joellen dirt. I love that. Joellen gets to skate with everything. Was Joellen using company funds to do her thing?

58:46Ben Mandelker: Well, Rula's like, well, the lawsuit happened. They all had to sign an NDA. Okay, I want to switch gears. Let's go to the polo match. and so we see all the stuff that happened in the polo match. Brian, there's a theory online that your mom wasn't sick. The phone call came from the mistress threatening to show up with you so you went to calm her down and you came back to polo with Rula. If the rumor is true, say that you can't talk about it because of a lawsuit. Okay, what do you say about that?

59:17Ronnie Karam: Okay, okay. I'll speak to the facts of that day. So we left Angelo's, which is in Cumberland and we drove to Lincoln and I dropped her at home because she said, if we go by your parents' house, my in-laws were watching the kids. And if I see the kids, they're going to cry. I don't want to see the kids. And he's like, I get it. I'm a dad. But I wanted to go back to polo. So, you know, we went back to polo. And Andy's ruler is like, no one ever said that he was going to the hospital. So that was a lie. They just said he was going to go see his mother. Right. But we just heard him say the mom was going to the hospital.

59:53Ben Mandelker: so it's just so strange like what's the point of leaving with your man like you find out that your mother-in-law is in the hospital so you leave with your man that makes sense you're gonna go with him you're gonna support him while he supports her etc but what's the point of just like going with him and then just being dropped off at home and then waiting and then he comes back and you drive back to polo it just seemed like such a strange sequence of events in general yeah i guess she was gonna go

1:00:18Ronnie Karam: to the hospital with him but then once she realized that the kids were at the house she didn't want to go to the house to see the kids nothing so clearly she attached makes any sense you know

1:00:29Ben Mandelker: she clearly attached herself to the plan because uh he he was he was clearly lying i think and so she was like i'm gonna go with you i'll go with you to the hospital and then he was like no no no no just stay at the house and then she was like okay he said stay at the house i'll stay at the house like it's very clear i think whatever he could i think you're right she knew that that

1:00:49Ronnie Karam: That was a lie to get them the hell out of filming. But then they went home and he was like, you know what? I'm going to run to work to check on something. And then he went to check on this mistress who had been texting him and doing all this stuff during the polo. So he went to calm her down. And meanwhile, the mistress took a picture inside of his car that he didn't know about. And then he's like, OK, you call him, sweetie. And then he went to get Rula and Rula's like, we're going back to polo. And then meanwhile, the mistress is like, oh, really? You're going to go back to polo? And then text Joellen this picture That she was just in the car That's what I'm getting together And it's beyond fucked up It is fucked up

1:01:28Ben Mandelker: So Rula then says That the mom didn't even go to the hospital So Andy's like Where did you go If you didn't go to the hospital And Brian's like my parents live two and a half miles from our house So it's kind of like Why did you leave filming then for this if she didn't even go to the hospital. Obviously, he just got stuck with Rilla while he was trying to escape to have an affair.

1:01:55Ronnie Karam: Yeah, or I think that they were like, we're done with filming, he went off to do his own thing, and then Rilla was getting texts from the other women like, uh-oh, Joellen is doing this and this and this. You better get back here. And she's like, we're going back to Polo. Whatever it is, it's just fucked up. Joellen, I do think it's kind of a crazy pants. She's going so far. The investigation is like legit psycho, I think. But Rula, get away from this fucking guy. The fact that you're even arguing with somebody with this much evidence. And it just keeps coming. Now we find out that he started a business to keep the mistress closer.

1:02:32Ronnie Karam: I just like, Rula, come on, man. I was just yelling and groaning through this whole thing. Because we didn't even get to where is Joellen getting all this information? Who is it that Joellen knows? How close is she with the mistress? Why do they seem to be on a texting basis? Like, what the fuck?

1:02:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Joellen is, it's going to come back to her next season, which is like, you know what? That makes me nervous. Joellen's always looking up stuff. I guarantee that Joellen will be the butt of scrutiny for season two. So Brian's saying, like, you know, my parents live in Lincoln, and I'm surprised you haven't done the research. And she's like, you know, I know that. You know, because so-and-so sleeps there. Like, didn't your dad find her underwear in the bed? And Brian's like, what are you talking about? She goes, oh, I have the text of that. And so Rola's like, Joelle, no. And she goes, oh, you can talk about my kids.

1:03:24Ben Mandelker: I can't talk about dirty panties in his dad's bed. I was like, I don't know. Receipts, we didn't even know we were needing. They're coming from all sides.

1:03:34Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah, well, how many dirty panties have you left in other men's beds? She's like, men? Sorry, Gary. Sorry, I had to say it, Gary. He's like, I don't give a fuck. Brian says that your butt smells like garlic, by the way. He tells everybody that. What? Okay, okay.

1:03:55Ben Mandelker: So then Rula goes, I don't even eat garlic. I was like, okay, Rula. I'm actually more offended by Rula's lie. You don't eat garlic, Rula?

1:04:04Ronnie Karam: You're Lebanese.

1:04:09Ben Mandelker: So that Andy's like, well, I mean, butts do smell, but I don't even eat garlic.

1:04:17Ronnie Karam: And Joellen's like, they smell like garlic, Andy? Butts smell like garlic? Really? He's like, well, no, but I mean, butts do smell. Joellen's like, come on, garlic. And he goes, wow, now I've heard everything. And Jared's like, wow, I wish my butt smelled like garlic. And Alicia just wakes up. She's like, what? What's going on?

1:04:35Ben Mandelker: no should i be crying so rula's like you know it's not because alicia's laughing at this and it's not even funny though alicia that's ridiculous and brian goes well um in any event i went home that day and i had my black hummer all day and i didn't have my other car and rula's like yeah he was in the black car he's like yeah the porsche has the red interior which i know a lot of cars do come with that by the way so that what what happens is i go home and i'm and she's like we're going to go to polo and i re-gelled my hair which was a very hot day so i put more gel on my hair and i put my ring in the cup holder and that's where i lost my ring

1:05:14Ronnie Karam: but i thought you took off your ring to do your son's hair and i barely watched these shows and so i was like well i i took it off it um i took it off in my parents house and then we went back to my house i did my hair and you know so that was it so like it was it's like preposterous like Why do we keep harping on it? Joellen, I'm assuming you're going to pull out something. She's like, yes, Andy, thank you. I was. So the picture that she posted of that Chanel bag in your red car. And then we see never before seen footage. And Joellen is holding her phone with the image of this bag. And she's like, so just out of curiosity, July 17th, 2025, we were filming then.

1:05:54Ronnie Karam: Client, Mr. Brian Pontarelli, purchased a Chanel bag,$4 ,100. Same bag. I checked the style number and everything. Your name, your client number. So was that for Rula or for the other one? How did she even get the Chanel shit?

1:06:10Ben Mandelker: So then Brian's like, well, unfortunately, for legal reasons, I can't speak about that. She goes, the legal reasons are about your business, not about purchasing a bag. He's like, are you a lawyer now? So you're a lawyer? And she's like, he is. He is. And she points to Billy.

1:06:24Ronnie Karam: Billy's like, whoa, get me out of this. well there's nothing legal about saying no you didn't buy a bag and he's like the only person i've ever bought a chanel bag for and my wife my wife that's it wait is that you right there is that your purse and realist like that's not me she goes gotcha gotcha brian okay so let's unpack here how many of you heard rumors about like brian what the hell you can't lie about it and you didn't give her the purse. Rula's like, wait a minute, I don't got no Black Chanel.

1:06:57Ben Mandelker: Joellen is, like, just getting from all sides, like sides he did not anticipate were even there. And so Andy's like, okay, well, how many of you guys heard rumors about Brian before even the filming started? So Joellen, Gary, Rosie, and Liz raised their hands, and Gary's like, yeah, well, I ran into them. I was like, I'm in ways from Providence. And actually, I know the mistress as well. i mean her kids went to daycare with our kids so i knew her and her ex-husband and they came right up and she introduced brian as her boyfriend to me brad's like no no no uh and rula's like how long ago was that i mean it was someone was but i was and so rule is like i mean obviously it doesn't make me happy but i do know that reps have taken him to hemingway's many times so i don't know why

1:07:43Ronnie Karam: he was why i wasn't there personally no she says i don't know why i wasn't there and then he's like Well, earlier, Rula said that you got divorced from the Spanish teacher in 2010. You two married in 2016. Then Joellen showed us a court document that showed us that you didn't get divorced until March of 2016. Rula said she pulled up a court document. Explain to them because she just pulled this up and was so adamant as she always is. So explain. I don't know about this. I don't know.

1:08:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I was divorced. I was divorced in September 2012. and then Rula just looks at him like you fucking idiot you've just made it worse and so Rula's like well she's saying he's pulling something up and keeps making a case so you handle it and he goes well at this point I have to ask Joellen something what's your point like what's your goal and your end point of everything that you've been doing what's your point of it

1:08:38Ronnie Karam: thank you for asking me that I think that my point is I continuously was called a liar and I keep on finding lies so you know if you're gonna call me a liar then i'm just gonna have to prove myself

1:08:50Ben Mandelker: sorry and we'll be like but if you're a girl's girl she's like well i'm not a girl's girl to you anymore okay i wasn't till last season but you called my job and we're always like you know what i didn't call your job and you told me i lied 50 times and so gary's like she was being called a liar the whole time and she wants to prove that she wasn't a liar so she'll take her to the grave that's how she is she's not gonna be called a liar when the when she has facts of the truth

1:09:15Ronnie Karam: so um so this goes back and forth you know about who's a liar and rula's like i'm not lying about anything and then he's like let's move on rula going on a reality show when your husband's in the midst or ending an affair seems like you're potentially putting yourself through something what was your mindset she's like yeah so i thought it had ended at that point you know he promised everything was done so well when did it end it doesn't matter joe allen Brian, just tell us when it ended. Rosie looks like so bored and annoyed with all of this. She's like, we could be talking about my third floor.

1:09:49Ronnie Karam: I mean, I have a briefcase sitting in a green room. Nobody is using it. And you're not even telling the truth. Why don't you just tell the truth, okay? Just tell the truth. And then we could put it to bed. She's not going to stop.

1:10:02Ben Mandelker: Joellen's like, November 2nd, how about that? Can't wait to be the best boyfriend, fiance to you. And I know what you think I do a lot. You're so appreciative. but there's so much more I want to do. You wrote that. You wrote that. Do you remember that? And so Brian's shaking his head and Joellen's like, that's what you texted her. There's a date stamp on it. And Andy's like, okay, so he's not denying he had an affair with this woman. He's basically like, Joellen, you've made your point. You're killing it. Don't worry. But now, like, Rula is dying here. She's literally going down in flames. Like, let's have some mercy on this poor lady.

1:10:36Ben Mandelker: And so Rosie's just like, well, you know, we all know you didn't know Rula. We just need Brian to tell us when it ended so then we can all move on because, like, we know it's not your fault.

1:10:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Joellen's like, you didn't do this, Rula. It's not your fault. It's his fault. And they're all like, come on, Rula. Come on, Rula. Come on, Rula. You can do it. And they're like, stop deflecting. I'm not deflecting. And Joellen's like, you know what? It just ended. Let him tell you that it just ended because it literally just ended 10 minutes ago. I know. I have the time stamp.

1:11:09Ben Mandelker: she goes i support you're trying to make your marriage work i support that because joellen's not trying to do good cop after all her bad copping and he's like rosie are you trying to coach ruler to do to do what she goes well i just think that we all agree that rule did not know about this she's very dumb and she's definitely like believing things and you know like she just wants to believe her husband that's it and uh she's like if brian could just admit that when it ended we could just go forward and gallus is like but she doesn't know when it ended that's the thing well thank you for keep thanks for keeping up kelsey that's the whole point of this that's why they want brian to say it's that way rule is confronted with reality okay i'd like to

1:11:45Ronnie Karam: speak here um unfortunately because of the non-disclosure i can't speak on that no my god you idiot and joellen's like this is ridiculous i can tell you the last time they were together i can tell you the date okay if you don't want to say it i can it's like i will say i've not seen my former partner since October of last year. Oh, really? Did he say October of last year? October of last year. Survey says, that's a lie. Yep, I've got the proof. You're sending her pictures of your son. You're sending your son's Christmas list. He's like, oh, come on. I posted that on Instagram. She took a screenshot.

1:12:24Ben Mandelker: She's like, how would I have a picture of you sending it? Because I posted my son's Christmas list. But it's in a text message. rosie's like joellen do you know it's over now according to your proof is it over now and she goes yes it ended this year it's fine it's over it's over now she's like okay well they decided to move forward and try to stay together i'm bored oh my god i have a briefcase that's not even being

1:12:45Ronnie Karam: used and meanwhile to brian is like why does she keep saying this year he's like i can't talk about it's non-disclosure she's like god damn it god damn it he's like legally i can't even see this person yeah yeah if he sees it they're breaking the law rula is it your impression that the affair

1:13:06Ben Mandelker: ended when i don't know around october last year maybe and joan goes but what about penis into vagina okay okay so when the show was filming last year you believed the affair was over but

1:13:20Ronnie Karam: now you feel like it was actually happening right as much as you hate joella for it she's the one has proven it to you you should be thinking joellen you should be thinking thinking of bringing it to the light yeah joellen that's my girl i was like you know what i'm not blaming you

1:13:37Ben Mandelker: for the info but i'm blaming you for putting it out there and continuing to invade my privacy and she's like but why aren't you blaming brian for continuing to put it in her i don't know what else to say.

1:13:50Ronnie Karam: Jeez. So Liz is like, you know what? Brian should just say, I fucked up. I mean, I was this, I was that, and you should say, you know, I didn't do this because I loved Rula and wanted to help her. I did it because I'm not a nice person. That's what you should say, Joe Allen. Okay.

1:14:10Ben Mandelker: Rula, it was reported that you went to the police with a tracker on your car. Did you know that going to the police might lead to your husband's arrest? just i honestly didn't know but to be fair i really don't know a lot of things about a lot of things and he's like ryan why did you have a tracking device on the car well you know the case has been dismissed so i can't discuss dismissed cases oh my god um every time he did it i just like laughed because it was so incorrect i was so incredulous of how shameless this guy was so andy's like well if it's been dismissed why can't you talk about it he's like so gary is like uh Well, yeah, I can't just say anything.

1:14:50Ben Mandelker: And Brian's like, well, I mean, I was trying to do the Bronwyn defense, but I guess not. So I can still defend myself, even though I can't speak. So basically I pled not guilty and I'm glad that this incident happened because what happened is the state initiated a no contact order and for four weeks I couldn't talk to her and I couldn't see her and I couldn't be near her and it made me realize how much I love Rula and how much I miss Rula and how much I couldn't wait

1:15:17Ronnie Karam: to be with her god made me realize how wet my dick can get i'll tell you that four weeks give me another one and jared uh is just like staring at the camera like oh my god these people are crazy so getting this um they're like wow a tracker on the car how would you forgive somebody for that and ruler is like that needs to be earned back that doesn't just come back overnight That will take me a long time. Okay, well, you've come back from an arrest and a restraining order to salvage your marriage. You obviously feel like there's something worth fighting for there. Wow. It's like, there's so much love since the beginning in 2011-10-19.

1:16:02Ronnie Karam: And, you know, case is fractured. It hurts. It's painful. And Brian's like, everything goes through phases. You know, every relationship, you know, ups, downs, ins, outs, in, out, in, out, in, out. Why do I have a boner? Am I right? Yeah. So, you know, I can continue to be a good person and a good father. And so they're like, what are you going to do? Rula, if he does this again, you say right now. She's like, uh, I don't know. I told him if this ever happens again. And then I put a dot, dot, dot.

1:16:40Ben Mandelker: I might go water some plants so this is his like last chance yeah there's no forgiveness it's the last chance until the next chance and so Andy's like all right well I want to thank the men of Rhode Island for joining us today all season long too we are gonna leave it here thanks for a whole lot of nothing Brian bye adios so uh the guys leave and then Brian is uh he's backstage and And he's like, yeah, like what you said before, he's like, well, you're welcome, everyone. I gave you a good show. Thanks. You're welcome.

1:17:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah. There was a funny little moment where the guys are leaving and Rosie asks Rula if she's okay. And she's like, I mean, it's so hard. They could say all this stuff about you, but you can't say nothing. And Rosie goes, that's what the second season's for. She's like, yes. Yes. So we're back with final thoughts. what would everybody change Ashley would be less nervous Rosie wouldn't have called Kelsey a polygamist

1:17:46Ben Mandelker: you know Kelsey Kelsey has it's hard for her to make friendships and so she wants to work on her relationship with Rosie off camera and Rosie's like but it has to be off camera and then Rola's like if I could, going back I would have shut things down harder, even sooner but I don't know if that would have worked with this one sleeping with the doctors and such yeah

1:18:14Ronnie Karam: and Alicia's big regret she's like I wish I would have worn more makeup cause like I look crazy cause like my dog bit my face it's like nuts

1:18:24Ben Mandelker: alright well we're gonna we're gonna end this reunion with a dirty Shirley which is can you Rosie can you tell us what it is it's like a Shirley Temple with vodka inside like I thought everyone knew that And so Liz is like, but first, I want to present with you something. We all had masks at dinner, Andy. So she gives Andy a masquerade mask, which is funny because I thought she was going to give a mask to Rula because Rula wasn't there. But I guess Rula doesn't get a mask.

1:18:52Ronnie Karam: They give him a mask and it's the king of Rhode Island. And they all hug. It's like, this might make it to the quilt house. And with that, they give a toast. Real Housewives of Rhode Island.

1:19:07Ben Mandelker: Exceptional.

1:19:07Ronnie Karam: Great first season. Yeah.

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