#3436 In the City: Dress For Less

0:00What happens?

0:01Ben Mandelker: What happens when there's so much that it happens?

0:21Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to What What Crapens! I'm Ronnie, that's Ben over there. Hello, Ben! Hi, how's it going? Good. Everybody, welcome to the show and happy almost July 4th. We will be off next week. It's our yearly week off for July 4th. Take it every year. So excited. Hope you guys are going to have fun. We sure are. See you, Sockers. Thank you so much for being here for In the City today. As usual, if you want this recap on video, you can get that as well as our bonus episodes. Today is going to be a Love Island bonus episode, catching up on that craziness. You also get a Discord server to chat with each other.

1:05Ronnie Karam: There's a free newsletter that anybody can sign up for and get every week that I write, making fun of all these shows in writing. And there's also ad-free listening over there. So thanks for everybody who is a Patreon member, and even if you're not, for being here and listening. We appreciate it. And now it is in the city time. In the city. In the city. How many weddings do you get? That's my question. That's a great question. There are millions of fucking weddings. It's my wedding. You've already been married. I already sent you a gift.

1:40Ben Mandelker: You don't get another wedding. Yeah, that was something that occurred to me in this episode. I mean, I think that Yvonne had a right to be really annoyed that people were fighting incessantly at her wedding dinner. The point is that she did arrange a really nice meal at this restaurant. It's a good restaurant, too. And it is frustrating for her that it was not celebratory. I get it. But yeah, you did already have a full-fledged real-deal wedding down in Mexico. So the whole I'm the bride thing, it sort of is it it did strike me as feeling a little bit old at this point like i think you

2:21Ronnie Karam: kind of like ran out of your i'm the bride capital a year ago yeah you ran out of it a year uh this is as a person who obviously is not married and never will be married who goes to weddings and um you know when you're when you're that person in your friend group a wedding's great And I'm like so happy for my friends. But you celebrate the engagement. You celebrate the pre-wedding. You celebrate the bachelor or bachelorette or both. Then you celebrate the coming to town thing. What is it? For friends and family the night before. Then you do the wedding. Then you do the divorce party. Okay. Then you do it all over again.

3:06Ronnie Karam: Oh, then you do the babies. Well, I guess the babies, whichever order those come in, depending on your friends. It's a lot of gifts to buy somebody. So when somebody is like, I'm going to do another wedding, it's just a dinner, but it's still a wedding. And I'm going to wear a dress and call it my wedding. You ran out. That's what I say.

3:23Ben Mandelker: Yeah. At a certain point, it's like, it's over. It's done.

3:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah.

3:28Ben Mandelker: It's my wedding. How about that? You can't pull that card anymore. You can't pull that card. But I think what you can pull is the, hey, I just paid for this really nice dinner for you guys. So shut up and let's enjoy it. That's a great card to pull. and she has every right to pull that one yeah but she's like shut up and tell stories about me

3:47Ronnie Karam: i love it it was a great episode it was really really funny and i think it showed the cast kind of firing on all cylinders and also most valuable player award the most controversial person here gavin yeah that's my guy love you oh i thought you were gonna i thought you were gonna say the

4:03Ben Mandelker: red-headed lady who was stuck at the end of the table who was on camera the entire time was like oh my god how do i quietly get out of this out of this party she was what i call the face of anybody stuck to danielle stuck next to danielle all night she's like really she was sort of she sort of reminded me of angie everhart she was just there just like wow it's bad enough that i get stuck at the end of the table next to danielle and now you guys are all fighting about some bullshit and not to and i'm on camera with my bad side too by the way i'm not even comfortable with the side of me being on camera.

4:36Ben Mandelker: Thanks a lot.

4:39Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Getting stuck next to Danielle at a really long fighting evening. Not good. Although, Danielle was not wrong in this episode.

4:48Ben Mandelker: I agree. I think Danielle... I actually think that Danielle handled herself quite well. What was another show we were watching recently where there was issues about overlap and wedding? Well, there was Rhode Island. Oh, by the way, big Rhode Island news today. I'm too lazy to hit the sound effects, but the big news. You might as well have to tell me

5:10Ronnie Karam: somebody died again, okay? It's your favorite thing to do. It's like we start a recap, and you're like, guess who died? And now, guess what? You might as well be announcing your dad. Well,

5:20Ben Mandelker: Liz McGraw, the center, what do they hold? Seashells? Oysters. Slices? Oysters? No. Pearls. Pearls. Rhode Island, she's stepping away. She's leaving the show. There were rumors There were rumors And she She confirmed them today She's like I'm stepping away Big disappointment

5:46Ronnie Karam: I wish everybody from this show the best But you know unfortunately Everybody thinks I'm a little scary So I just want to go By saying Boo I'm going to miss her Very much I loved her best one season housewife of all time there.

6:06Ben Mandelker: She really, I really can't believe she's doing this. Maybe she'll be back in a future season, but I think she couldn't handle it. She could not handle any negative perceptions about herself. And that is too bad because the truth was.

6:25Ronnie Karam: She's not worried about negative perceptions. Dino is probably going to go to jail. it looks like her best friend and her and her husband and their mystery boat that was gone, you know, doing something three weeks out of the month. I mean, I think she's probably protecting herself legally. And also coming back to the show and having all these people with this. I mean, Joellen having Joellen coming at you all season with receipts on this stuff.

6:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I think that legally she's just like, yeah, maybe or or even even if like legally it wasn't. Even if it weren't that, it could be adjacent. She could have gotten wind that Joellen was going to come hard for Liz about her relationship with Dino. And she probably would not want to.

7:14Ronnie Karam: What Dino's probably going to go to prison for. Of course. Joellen's going to be up her ass about that.

7:18Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Joellen will 100 % be up her ass. It'll be like season two of Salt Lake City with Mary Cosby and how they all were up Mary Cosby's ass about having a cult. So, yeah. She probably was just cutting that off at the pass. But it's a real shame because Liz was great. She was great. Whether you liked her or hated her, she was still very much the center of that show. I don't know. Do you think they repositioned Joellen as the new center of the show? I mean, she really came off. She was so ascendant after that reunion. I don't think that Alicia... Alicia is so funny and everyone loves Alicia, but is she really center?

7:57Ben Mandelker: She's so sort of out there, it's hard to give her center pearl.

8:01Ronnie Karam: I think Joellen is already kind of center Don't you? I mean, I think she's definitely the most popular I mean, this is a very popular cast Liz was the villain, you know And so I think, if anything They're going to need to find a new villain Unless they light a fire under Rula's ass To really give us something Which could happen But yeah, they're going to have to do some new casting But I have faith in them Because everybody that's been on that show Has been completely Looney Tunes So they've got good ground To pull from We're talking about farming They got good land to hoe there In Rhode Island So I look forward to the new crop But god damn it Liz I'm going to miss you I love you I'm going to get a poster of Liz and put it in my room I love her

8:48Ben Mandelker: You should do that And a great tribute Oh wow So that's the news from there

8:56Ronnie Karam: Dolores get out of my room Okay, so we are at the City, Season 1, Episode 7. You only get married twice. We start at Gavin's Bar. It's called The Garrett, but it looked like a Five Guys to me. I mean, it says Five Guys on the outside. And when we went inside and there was a full bar, I was like, wow, Five Guys is really up their game.

9:21Ben Mandelker: Really? I know, right? I love Five Guys. Very excited for this pop-up in the back here. So yeah, we're at the Garrett. And Lindsay is talking to the bartender whose name is Destiny. And she's like, Destiny, what kind of gossip and tea can you give me on Gavin? And he's like, I don't want to be fun employed just yet. So nothing.

9:45Ronnie Karam: So Gavin comes and he's doing his, hey, it's me, Gavin. Pretty busy. What are we going to stir up here? Okay, what have we got going on? Whose lives do you want to ruin today? I'm here. Okay, bring me someone. I will question the person. that's like his mission in this and every episode and he does it very well and he always acts like he's got somewhere to be you know he's like all right i've got 10 minutes i've got 10 minutes what do we need to what do we need to do here let's throw some shit at the wall he definitely

10:12Ben Mandelker: sort of has the vibe of like a character in a play you know like or sitcom like the neighbor the wacky neighbor next door who's like come on we gotta go to the show tonight it's like i can't i gotta stay in and do my homework like what are you talking about we gotta go to the show it's

10:26Ronnie Karam: the only time they'll be playing you know yeah the information dropper uh kind of like the narrative leader so they're gossiping well they're talking about you know small they're talking small talk and then he talks about boys night and um he's like oh some shit went down at boys night and then kyle comes and she's like oh my god here's kyle stop talking about him

10:54Ben Mandelker: So Kyle's like, no, keep going, keep going. This guy Gavin loves talking, you know? And so Kyle, he basically, he orders a drink, because not with mezcal, or he says no spice, because his stomach's going through something. He's going through a sensitive stomach situation. You had the shits! It's like, yeah, I wasn't trying to be, I was trying to be coy and swap. You've got to poop out of your asshole. That's what you got to do. You got to just, like, explosive diarrhea everywhere.

11:21Ronnie Karam: He's like, uh, yeah, try to be delicate Okay And then Kenny comes in, he's got New hair, cornrows Actually And he's like, wow, this guy's like Whoa, I gotta go get my hair done Yeah, Kyle's gonna get cornrows now Kyle just always states the obvious But in an Exclamation, yeah Wow, this guy, what is he like I gotta go get my hair cut did this guy need to go get my hair cut yep that's a lot of self-question and answers this episode too he does no did i ever cheat on amanda maybe do i really enjoy walking on the sunny side of the street no because i care about my skin sorry what's i talking about i don't know um yeah he's in from

12:16Ben Mandelker: the Shannon Madure school of, you know, rhetorical questions. It's just a platonic method on herself, or is it the Socratic? So then, so basically, there's, Kenny starts talking about Owen. He's just like, yeah, let's get right into this. Can we talk about Owen? Okay. He's like, I want to talk about Owen. Or actually Gavin is like, yeah, let's talk about Owen, because of Boy's Night, et cetera. And they want to, they're still really hung up on when did Owen get out of his marriage and when did he start getting with Danielle and was there

12:51Ronnie Karam: overlap yes and it's funny that Kenny is also here pushing for details because Kenny is the one who's like oh my god why is he really asking me for details all the time and he's like yeah I mean we're just basically asking him the basics of it when did you file you know when was the wedding date and they're like yeah owen seems really shifty and shady and wouldn't answer anything and uh kyle's like yeah i think it's being like purposely like surface level and then we cut to owen and danielle out having a night uh or having a pint rather and um she's like uh you know what really makes things difficult owen wanting to have babies with you when you're still married?

13:34Yeah,

13:35Ronnie Karam: Danielle, I mean, it's not a crime to wait, you know? Although they just did have their baby in real life, so congrats.

13:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah, congratulations. She's ready to start planning for the future. So we go back to the Garrett, and Lindsay says, all I know is that if I was like a girl's night, we would have like gone to the fucking bottom of it real quick because you guys are confused as fuck. And Kenny's like, well, no, I mean, that's why we need you to do all this stuff. And Lindsay's like, and I'm confused because of you. So Gavin's like, why don't you Google Owen heavy wedding day? Google that. Google that. I'm like, why did none of these guys do this already?

14:15Ronnie Karam: I think they just want Lindsay to do it. Only women can Google. It's so funny. The men just don't understand it. I don't know. Is that a man thing? You just don't look things up? But these men are just very dumb. Like a private eye couldn't even find the father. But then we have Whitney finding the father on Facebook in five minutes. Whitney. Next week. Yes, Whitney. Whitney. All people. Yes, Whitney, the spinning beach ball, was the one who figured out Google. And then we have Lindsay. Like, can we just Google it? Yeah,

14:51Ben Mandelker: it's like, it's not really that hard. But part of me also thinks that the guys kind of want, like, Lindsay to get her hands dirty. They're like, well, she's used to getting into these messes, so she can do it for us. And then she can take the heat. So, Lindsay's looking up Owen on her phone She's like, oh my god

15:08Ronnie Karam: This is the hairdresser who posted The wife, and she said Last week I had the pleasure of flying to Marbella To look after my gorgeous Client, and Kenny's like, uh Marbella She's like, um, whatever

15:26Ben Mandelker: Marbella, as seen on Isn't that where they went to on Real Housewives of Miami last year to visit the gays to get like their blessing as like godfathers or something like that right wasn't that in marbella marbella so lindsey finds out in two seconds which is

15:41Ronnie Karam: pretty good and gavin's like uh give me a date there she's like june 20 23 and he goes okay but wait kenny's like okay but what does that mean she's like wait that was two years ago so like wait a minute didn't he say he's married for four years like oh he did say he's married four years And then we see a flashback to Owen being like, uh, four years.

16:05Ben Mandelker: So the wedding was in June, 2023, but he was claiming that the wedding was in 2021. If I'm, if I'm to follow this very simple timeline, right?

16:17Ronnie Karam: Yes. Okay. So this is what they've discovered. Honestly, it just sounds like they got married at city hall and then they had a wedding later. is what it that would be my thing to jump to right like Yvonne and Nick they had a they had a wedding and then they had a city hall wedding two years later so it's it's funny that it's so crazy to everybody in this episode where it's literally happening with another couple

16:43Ben Mandelker: in reverse it's you know yeah it is and honestly like I don't think anyone would care I don't think anyone like who cares because he's he's ending that relationship he's getting with Danielle I I mean, they're trying to basically suggest that Danielle was the other woman. I have a hard time believing that Danielle would do that. I just don't think that's her vibe whatsoever. But I think the crux of this is that Danielle had a lot of things to say about Lindsay's relationships, whether she was going too fast, etc. This was the whole issue why they had a falling out coming into the season. And Lindsay is just dead set on proving that Danielle is a hypocrite.

17:26Ben Mandelker: I think that's all that this is. And I think that now people are like starting to start to think like, wow, what is that timeline? What was that timeline? Because I think that Lindsay has actually made people care about the timeline. But if you take a step back, the only reason why they care about the timeline is because Lindsay is just trying to prove this point. So, well,

17:44Ronnie Karam: and the fact that this came out. Yeah, Amanda gossip. You know, this came out on like Bravo and cocktails or wherever. So it was a story that Danielle started the season being so upset that she's being accused of this thing. So Danielle kind of brought it up. And then Amanda, of course, is on her ass about it because Amanda doesn't like Danielle. And then you've got Lindsay, who also has her own reasons. But the fact is you're on a reality show and you probably did. That man probably did cheat on his wife. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily put it past Danielle. I wouldn't put it past most people.

18:15Ronnie Karam: And I certainly would not put it past Owen. I mean, that guy seems shifty as fuck after last week's scene. So I wouldn't really put it past anybody. I mean, I guess I get why they wouldn't say like, yeah, we met. He wasn't happy. We fell in love, whatever. But I think that sometimes the best way to shut it down is eventually what she does at the end where she's like, it's none of your fucking business. I met this man. We're in love. And that's it. You're my friend. Just say, just say that's it.

18:44Ben Mandelker: You know? Exactly. because that's also what Lindsay would do.

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19:30Ben Mandelker: Lindsay tells us, even though Danielle and I have a dysfunctional friendship, I still care about Danielle and I still want to make sure she's protecting herself. And I don't know this guy and I know that he makes her happy, but I'm going to do research on the back end. the moment when someone says, I still care about this person, that's always like the, I actually don't care that much. I just want to do something shady and I want to be protected from being accused of doing something shady. So I'm going to say I'm doing it under the guise I care. So, but by the way, and don't, I will also say this.

20:01Ben Mandelker: I don't think it's the worst thing in the world that Lindsay like looked up some basic stats on Owen on her phone in the bar while they were talking about him. You know, it really gets like whipped up into being this thing. Like she did hire a pi and she did do a crazy investigation into him she was literally just like sitting in a bar on her phone like did a simple cursory search and i don't think that's like the worst thing in the world um but i still do think that it's funny how lindsey is like i'm doing this because i care

20:29Ronnie Karam: about her well people are allowed to google sorry yeah and danielle keeps getting upset that people are talking about the the story well it was on the internet they all subscribe to that they all subscribe to it they also of course they're gonna talk about it as you would too and then she gets mad that they were texting about it like danielle sorry and again this is danielle who weighed in

20:52Ben Mandelker: on that that tabloid piece and and you know about lindsey and carl so she really is not one to talk um wrote the tabloid piece about craig getting kicked out of that wedding oh that's what it was yeah um so anyway uh kenny is like i've got a great pi that'll solve this shit in 2.2 seconds literally and gavin goes it's whitney and he's like yeah that was i was gonna

21:18Ronnie Karam: say yeah kenny you don't have a pi that can solve shit kenny's pi was like uh well it's here's here's the thing what's his name okay there is a 70 chance that that is a person i'll call you in two weeks what what's a person two weeks later um there is a 37 chance this person is not a waterfall okay send me a bet phone i'll try when he's like fuck this i'm going off facebook

21:49Ben Mandelker: so um basically kenny tells lindsey how he was not in contact with his dad for 25 years or so and he decided to find his dad and Whitney basically found him right away by going onto Facebook. So that's so he was like, oh wow.

22:09Ronnie Karam: So Kyle's like, oh my god, you guys should talk to each other because she doesn't talk to her mom and you didn't talk to her dad. You guys should talk about it. And so she tells him, yeah, she hasn't talked to her mom for years and she didn't talk to her eight years before that and she doesn't have a relationship with her and she does she has no interest in um making that happen but she'll get together with for a kenny scene why not for free lunch yeah so um yeah they're gonna they're gonna have

22:40Ben Mandelker: a talk and they're gonna like dive deeper into all this stuff now we go to gramercy park and we're at nick and ivan's apartment and uh nick has just poured some limoncello uh from that her that Yvonne's mom brought from Italy, and they're toasting to wedding planning.

22:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and she's saying, you know, like, I was laid off, and it was like the hardest thing ever, because I was like the person that you go to if you have a party in New York. But now I'm not that person, so I'm going to plan a party for myself so it can still feel like I'm the eminent party planner in New York City. It's what I do. It brings me to life. The last thing I'm doing when I get laid off is going to wait a table to feel better about myself i'm not gonna do it i'm not gonna do it but she is and she's gonna make them a really nice wedding party um so they're talking about

23:34Ben Mandelker: who they're gonna invite and stuff like that so then we go well by the way she's but she's she's really doing this to be like hello america i'm a party planner look at the party i just put together this is my resume hire me yeah well good idea you gotta sell it when you're on tv

23:51Ronnie Karam: So then we go to Softbar. That's right. Softbar.

23:58Ben Mandelker: Softbar.

23:58Ronnie Karam: Carl, I put a green leather jacket now.

24:00Ben Mandelker: It's Softbar. Welcome. It's Softbar Green. Well, Softbar. Big night for Carl's on TV last night. Yeah, here I am. People are like, hey, Carl's not on the city. Well, guess what? I'm on the city. This is my stuff launch. So it's Kyle and Carl. they're sitting at the bar at soft bar there's a lot of people there there's this one girl who's sitting next to carl at the bar alone and she's on her phone and you can see she feels so uncomfortable because she's like i'm directly in the shot aren't i and i i i don't want to step away because i'm committed to the continuity of this scene but i really don't want to be here anymore how can i get away from this bar right now i'm on camera i can't do anything just be cool be chill be chill

24:45Ronnie Karam: She didn't want to be there. Oh my gosh. I felt like she was posing like, um, I am on camera and not looking at the camera. Of course. Like any of us would be, I'd be like, I don't care. Give me my drink. I'm not leaving this bar. I'm on TV. Well, either way, looking right in the camera. Like, it was a great, that soft bar green he's wearing. It's leather. I'm feeling, I'd be feeling it. It's real leather.

25:14Ben Mandelker: it's a great night for people being stuck in the frame like npcs basically um but yeah so she so they're sitting down and they're talking to talk about things and carl's like hey well first there's a tribute to new jersey where carl's like there he is oh this guy there he is there he is oh my god oh my god well i love seeing you here in the place that you didn't invest in oh look at your return on investment, which is zero, because he put zero in in the first place. Welcome.

25:45Ronnie Karam: All right, what are we going to talk about here? That's right, your relationship with Amanda. Everybody's obsessed. Are you in love with Amanda, yes or no? It's really important. I want everybody to have to think about this 40 hours a week, okay? So, are you in love or not? And he's like, well, we all know you love her, but you'd do anything for her. She's a great girl. She's a

26:11Ben Mandelker: this is like the question that's been plaguing Kyle for a few episodes now. Are you in love? Are you in love? And so Carl is just like, they're talking about the whole thing. And so Carl's like, well, we all know like you love her and I know you would do anything for her, but are you in love with her? And part of me, if I were in your shoes, would fight to the death and do whatever I had to do to not let this slip away. Here's what it would look like. Come at me, bro. Come at me, bro. I'm fighting for Amanda, bro. Come on, man. Come at me, bro. That's what I would, fighting for the death would look like for Amanda.

26:47Ronnie Karam: I mean, you've been pretty unhappy, but like, I knew in your hard hearts the world will not end. Okay? No matter what happens. No matter what happens, you can always come to Saw Par and get a film party. That's right. That's right. So he says after the breakup with him and Lindsay, you know, Kyle was there, but like, it was hard because like, I was the bad guy and that really sucked. yeah i wasn't even running marathons then and so carl's like i just want what's best for me

27:16Ben Mandelker: what's best for her because like right now it ain't it i want to be best for me right now we got some fucking booze and these drinks carl i mean come on i mean they're soft and then they're soft can we get like a little bit of vodka in this thing oh my god carl's like yeah you know

27:30Ronnie Karam: like i was a villain and all these horrible things were said about me but at the end of the day You get soft bar for soft bar. And the truth comes out. And everybody's going to see the truth. So don't you worry. Okay.

27:44Ronnie Karam: Lindsey's on the city. Yeah. I don't know what you mean. He's like, don't you worry. Everybody's going to know. I don't know. People still pretty much stan Lindsey. Although Carl is doing much better, I think, with public perception.

28:01Ben Mandelker: He is. He is. Oh, he's recovered. and everyone's back to being like, oh my god, sweet Carl. So now, speaking of Lindsay, we go to this Italian restaurant where Lindsay and Kenny are going to talk about abandonment issues. So Kenny's talking about how he hired this PI and he's like, this guy's digging up all this information and I'm not getting anywhere with this. And then Whitney just kicks into high gear. Wait, she has a high gear? I did not know that existed for her. He's like, yeah. And then she's like, hold on, we got it. And she went onto Facebook. Turns out the PI just didn't go onto Facebook.

28:38Ben Mandelker: Facebook is so barren these days that not even PIs remember to go onto it.

28:42Ronnie Karam: Wow. That is so fascinating. So anyway, my mom's a real asshole and she's selfish. And so she tells her mom's story again to him, which most of the audience has heard. But she talks about how when she and her brother were young, like two and three, her mom was just like, I can't do it anymore and abandon them basically. And, you know, when she's been rejected by the biological parent, you know, who chose to have her, it's fucked up. And he's like, yeah, but you have to think about how that's impacted you. And sometimes, you know, like forgiving can make you feel better. He's like, I feel lighter.

29:24Ronnie Karam: No, I feel great. Yeah.

29:26Ben Mandelker: He's kind of like, do this with me, do this with me and she's like no i'm not doing this and then but now the new layer people do together yeah you know well now he wants to be forgiving his shitty parent is like for for

29:41Ronnie Karam: for each person on their own time but it's nice to see them have a nice scene together

29:46Ben Mandelker: yeah and her new uh layer to all this is that now that she has a baby she's like i just can't even imagine abandoning my baby so like the fact that she would do that to me it's just like shocking So she's getting teary-eyed, and so he gives her a napkin, and she's like, I'm gonna get pink eye. So they have a nice scene where they actually don't hate each other by the end of it. And now we go over to Times Square, and we are at Dilly Dilly, which is where Yvonne and Nick are going to celebrate their wedding for the third time.

30:19Ronnie Karam: So everybody's coming in and saying hi and stuff, and Kyle comes in. I thought it was a marijuana jacket. Was it a fairy jacket? What was all over his jacket?

30:29Ben Mandelker: At first I thought it was a marijuana jacket, but then I thought, I think it might be, is it Gucci that has the Bs? Oh, are they Bs? I think it was a Gucci suit. I'm trying to look it up.

30:41Ronnie Karam: It looked like he was going to host New Year's Eve somewhere. But he shows up. Again, I'm not a fashion gay. Yeah, I'm not a fashion gay. I don't know. I was squinting, though. I was like, hey, is that jacket on Amazon? on. Oh, it's

30:55Ben Mandelker: I think I found it. Okay, it is Grosvenor Peak Tux Jacket. I don't think it's here. It is. How'd you find that so fast? I did a search and I said suit with bees on it. And it popped right up. Grosvenor Grosvenor. It's not Gucci at all.

31:24Ben Mandelker: we've done a test it is not gucci we found it we found it it is not gucci at all but that's that's the update it's actually just a cheap cheap jacket not gucci so people start showing up at this

31:40Ronnie Karam: uh wedding party thing and nick's like oh hey hey lindsey hottest wedding witness in town it's like Oh my god, Iman, I am dead This might be your best wedding dress Yeah, it's amazing Cannot wait until your fifth wedding It's gonna look amazing So people come in Amanda is like Hi, Kyle Well, because Kyle walks in Because Kyle just doesn't see her Or ignores her when he walks in He goes right to the bar So then she's like, hi, Kyle

32:12Ben Mandelker: Hi, Kyle oh my god I mean it's you should go up to your wife first but like you guys literally just had the most vicious fight and then she's like hi hi I'm like oh my god it's exhausting

32:32Ronnie Karam: they're both so exhausting because he's also got a pattern of being like I didn't even see you he does it all the time it's like the second or third time he's done it on this show we're just like hi so she tells us things are intense but we've always been committed to trying not to make it awkward for anyone around us since the when what are you talking about it's been 10 years of you

32:57Ben Mandelker: making things awkward both of you what is she even say what part of you calling across the group going hi kyle hi kyle well since when is that a commitment to not making it awkward for everyone around you since when has anything been a commitment towards that we've always been

33:16Ronnie Karam: committed to trying not to make it awkward okay so uh it's like but tonight is about ivan and nick and not about us uh so then uh kenny and whitney and danielle and owen come in and danielle comes in in what looks like a white dress and ivan is immediately not having it she's like did you see that Danielle is wearing white. How could she do this? How could she do this? This is my wedding

33:42Ben Mandelker: and she's wearing white. The fashion queen wore white dress at my wedding. And so Lexi is like, but is it pink or is it white? And Danielle's like, it's pink. It's pink. It's called like, you know, you know, there's like a group called Blackpink. This is called Whitepink. And actually it's just white. But like if you, if you aim a pink light at it, it becomes pink, which is what's cool about it. It has pink potential, but it's white. But I call it pink.

34:09Ronnie Karam: And Yvonne's like, is this girl okay? I mean, I know you want to get married, but this is not your wedding, okay? This is not your night. I'm the bride. Did you forget that? Did you forget that?

34:22Ben Mandelker: I'm just trying to let it go because it really does not matter. And Georgina's like, well, how do we make you feel better? Do you want me to tell a story about how I melted chocolate in my son's diaper again to resemble poop that he wanted to sit in. Does that make you feel better?

34:39Ronnie Karam: My son made a bowling ball today out of his own poop. Should I tell everybody about that? Oh my god, she's wearing white to my wedding. So Danielle sees Lindsay, but Lindsay's not like, oh my god, I didn't know. So she's like, oh my god, she's being cold again. Barely said hi to me. Why am I even trying so hard? Why am I trying so hard?

34:58Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I saw that. I thought we were past a lot of things Lindsay and I but it got back to me that Lindsay's been googling Owen and his marital relationship and the dates that it happened like why I have no idea I'm like you're the one I'm sorry you're the one who wants to be friends with Lindsay Lindsay's always been like this you cannot be shocked like you're the one who's decided to go towards the disaster and then you're upset that there's a disaster there

35:25Ronnie Karam: and of course the producers are like wait how did you find out that they were even Googling. And then it cuts to Gavin. He's like, I don't know if I told her. I don't know. But if I did, I don't know. I was thinking it. I don't know if I said it or not. Of course it was Gavin. Messy-ass Gavin.

35:42Ben Mandelker: He's so messy. He's messy. I don't know. I actually don't know if I really love Gavin. He's like messy in a way. I'm just like, you're just kind of a dick. So then Danielle is like, well, you haven't even gotten to know Owen yet, and you want to start amateur sleuthing on the internet? Call him out for something that you think you know. Like, oh, relax. Just a Google search. Come on, Danielle.

36:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So now they go upstairs. It's really pretty. It's, you know, it basically looks like Danielle's dress up there. It's like dreams, you know, white stuff. A million ass photos. Really pretty. So Yvonne's like, I have a speech. It means so much to have all of you here. This past year has been one of the hardest years of my life. And as the eminent party planner in New York, the people do not plan anything without going through. I would just like to say thank you so much for coming here. And you've been here through one of the hardest times in my life. Blah, blah, blah. I'm so grateful to have you by my side, Nick.

36:40Ronnie Karam: I've never met a more competent man at selling chairs he found on the street for$90 ,000.

36:46Ben Mandelker: Thank you, Henry. I love you. And everyone's like, yay. The chef comes out, makes a nice little presentation about the food. and then they start

36:56Ronnie Karam: where you will not only experience the food with your mouth you will experience it with all your senses I'm burning a pine cone smell it now eat what do you smell what do you taste a pine cone told you

37:12Ben Mandelker: so they are they're all making small talk about ovulating and things like that and you know like what you're there's like a move that you do like after you have sex where you sort of like shake the lady or something and Andrea's like, oh yes we do that. Yes, the wheelbarrow. Yeah, but you know what? It's like, this is my move. It's like prosciutto. They're like prosciutto. And he's like, that's a deli meat. He's like, no, but it's anyway, we call it prosciutto. You know? It's a prosciutto.

37:45Ronnie Karam: Now they get okra salad served on liquid nitrogen. I don't know about this place gonna say it's very pretty in there but you better get that burnt fucking pine cone away from me and get me some french fries and okra salad no i'm sorry i'm sure you're very talented

38:03Ben Mandelker: do you serve bread here can i just like i want to go to this place um georgina i actually think i tried to go to it in january i was looking for a good uh indian restaurant and it came up and i I was going to try to go to it. And I could not get a reservation. So I was living vicariously through this show. Isn't that amazing?

38:25Ronnie Karam: Georgina. So Georgina's like, wow, liquid nitrogen. I freeze the warts off with that.

38:32Ben Mandelker: It's in my office all the time. I freeze the warts off of it. I just sometimes freeze the peep off my child's butt with it. So then Nick is like, well, Amanda, did you see our witness besides Lindsay at the ceremony? look at this and he shows a picture of their dog in a little doggy tux and a man just like oh my god i don't know why dogs make me cry more than people but that's so sweet like reese cried for the first time today when i left the apartment because like she like never cries and like

39:01Ronnie Karam: literally was like and gavin's like yeah yeah yeah yeah okay boring boring boring wow wow wow wedding wedding dog dog okay i want to know how you guys are doing sleeping in separate places go go ahead i got somewhere to be and man is like i mean normally it's fine it's like when i go to bed he wouldn't be home anyway so i would always go to bed before him and all and gavin goes because you were high though gavin shut the fuck up what are you doing i love gavin oh my god i loved it he's like yeah because you were eyes you were going to bed like she's like um i wouldn't go to bed before him because I was high.

39:39Ben Mandelker: Georgina's like, that's rude. Amanda's like, I smoke to go to sleep. He's like, wait, you have to smoke to go to sleep? I mean, has he not heard of this concept before? Amanda's like, no, I just, I only smoke at night. And Lindsay's like, Gavin, you're being so judgmental. That's my job. And Gavin's like, I'm supporting both of them. Okay, I'm going to get to Kyle next. So Kyle's like, Amanda, to be fair, you know how you to smoke a lot. And Danielle's like okay well it sounds like it's sounds like kyle this is coming from you telling gavin this

40:10Ronnie Karam: and i was like yeah she lock which was funny uh so then we see kyle complaining in a clip to gavin like how she smokes every night and what that what that does to your sex life and your ability to have conversations with your partner what about that and so gavin's like ah listen i'm just speaking as myself you know i just want them aligned as they separate you know to date. I just want to all be on the same page. So Amanda, a huge pothead, can't go to sleep without smoking pot. Great.

40:41Ben Mandelker: Got it on the record. Got it on the record. So Kenny's like, you know, there's a narrative going on here that Kyle drinks too much. Kyle's like, I don't know where that narrative comes from. You guys can all fucking show us. I just miss Kyle. So Kenny's like, but sometimes Kyle's like, there's a lot of things going on in a relationship and this is one of them. And Gavin's like, yeah, Kyle drinks too much. Amanda smokes too much. They're both shit people. Am I right? They're both huge disasters. Amanda's like, yeah, but like when Amanda smokes, it's not detrimental to our relationship because I've never cheated after smoking weed.

41:15Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't do mad things after smoking weed like cheating or like betraying his trust and I've never been embarrassing in public. He's like, well, we never had a big conversation or sex after you smoke weed either. It's like, well, there's never been an article written about me after I smoked weed.

41:35Ben Mandelker: Gavin's like, you're not staying focused, but I get it, I get it. I know what you're doing here. I'm not staying focused.

41:40Ronnie Karam: Typical pothead. Wow. Just all around the place. Wow. Are the police following you around? Do you hear helicopters?

41:46Ben Mandelker: Do you hear helicopters? Danielle's like, it is focused. It's actually very focused, Gavin. And Georgina says, not having sex when you're high and cheating when you're actually high are two incredibly different things. And Kenny's like, yeah, very different but if he's feeling like she's not present in the relationship just like my dad wasn't present in my life for the past 25 years do we want to talk about this at all because i can tell a sob story no and katie katie out of nowhere friend of katie is like not present she was moving out and he was out until three in the morning the night before and brought random people back to the up to his office how is that present that is not okay and katie is the one

42:26Ronnie Karam: that was, when they were on the trolley, they're like, well, Katie was the one that was texting with us about Danielle. Why are you mad at Katie? You know, Katie's like the best friend. I think she's Amanda's best friend, but she doesn't want to film, so she's not on that much. So Kyle's like, oh yeah, yes, I'm just so mad. And Yvonne's like, oh my God, Lindsay, stop this. It's my wedding. So Lindsay tries to, she's like, Kyle, Kyle. Oh yeah, well, how good are the quality of the conversation of the relationship if my wife is always high. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. You want to talk to a high person all day long.

43:00Ronnie Karam: I'm not going to. It's not really anything that you're currently wasted

43:04Ben Mandelker: right now, Kyle, for fuck's sake. Danielle's like, you're always drunk. And Nick is like, guys, it's our wedding, okay? Okay, it's our wedding. Let them fight. So Gavin is like, exactly. So now they're squabbling. Now Kyle and Danielle start to fight. So Kyle's like, you drink more than me. She goes, what are you talking about? Shut the fuck up. So then Yvonne is like, you guys, I don't want to see fighting, okay? Not at my wedding day. Part three. And Danielle's like, you know what?

43:34Ronnie Karam: Gavin instigated this entire thing, and fuck you for doing that, Gavin. Which she's totally right, but I still love Gavin for it. And Yvonne's like, I'm over everybody fighting at this dinner table. You know, especially people who showed up in a white dress. And Danielle's like, are you talking about me, bitch? She goes, ah, you called me a bitch at my own wedding.

43:54Ben Mandelker: Oh, God. Yvonne is like, she is taking every inch for a mile. I mean, she is really getting as much mileage as she can from being the host of this dinner party. Daniel's like, yes. I mean, it was like, I hate when people fight about bitch when it was clearly used in like, I feel like not like, I don't feel like she was saying you're a bitch. She was saying, are you talking about me, bitch? Like, it was a, it was like fun bitch usage, I feel like, even though it was a tense situation. So Yvonne's like, yes, I am talking, you called me a bitch at my own dinner. But then Danielle's like, yes, I did.

44:38Ben Mandelker: I am calling you a bitch at your own dinner now. I am going to pivot that into mean bitch usage. And Lindsay's like, no, Danielle, don't call her a bitch. Don't call her a bitch, Danielle. That's my job. Why is everyone taking my job tonight?

44:53Ronnie Karam: So Nick's like, no, no, no bitch for the bride, please. She's like, am I allowed to have an opinion in my own wedding? She goes, well, you could have had the opinion when I texted you about it. Oh, damn. So it turns out Danielle sent an actual picture of herself wearing the same dress to Yvonne. And Yvonne said, great. Like she sent her approval. And Yvonne's like, well, it looked a different color in the picture. Yvonne now I get that you are suddenly going to be good for reality tv today because this is this is like your first big reality fun moment but you're doing too much this is crazy she literally sent you herself where you gave the dress approval and now you're going to try and make it a plot that's that's cold that's like level that's like third season housewife behavior it really is it's

45:42Ben Mandelker: very housewife behavior. So Yvonne's like, oh, but that's not pink. And also, I don't even care what you're wearing, but you call me a bitch. So this means that Yvonne is now, she's like, okay, I am going to concede that first point. I lost that fight. So now I'm just going to move all my eggs into the bitch basket. And Danielle's like, well, because I can't believe that you're saying this. I really can't. And so Gavin's like, wait, you texted her the picture? Was Amanda high when the picture was taken? I want to know.

46:08Ronnie Karam: Did Amanda smoke the picture? Katie is like but it's pink and Lindsay's like if you text a picture it means you're on the fence right and so maybe you were just saying like is this a bro man or is this not a bro she's trying to be on Yvonne's side even though Yvonne's clearly wrong so Danielle's like okay well I apologize for calling you a bitch you're not a bitch you're a beautiful bride but you know like I didn't have enough time to come up with something better so

46:37Ben Mandelker: so Andrea's like the beautiful bride ass they all toast and everything and it's like okay all right it's like a nice little reset and then gavin goes okay now back to kyle and amanda go you fucker he is such a little fucker so danielle is i'm like mad i'm honestly i am actually mad on behalf of yvonne yes yvonne has already had weddings yes yvonne is definitely being someone who i don't know the right word for it but like you know she is like i said before getting a lot of mileage out of being the bride at this dinner. But at the same time, it is still a dinner that she put together. It's like a nice dinner.

47:14Ben Mandelker: There's been requests from the host to stop fighting and talk about this. And Gavin's like, whatever. I don't care. I'm going to stir shit up again.

47:22Ronnie Karam: Here's why I'm not mad. It's a reality show that has not, you know, it's first season. It's not that exciting so far. Gavin's moving the plot along. And I don't really feel bad for Yvonne, because Yvonne was trying to start drama at her own thing by going around being like, I can't believe she's wearing white at my wedding. Can't believe she's wearing white at my wedding. And then in front of everybody being like, someone's wearing white at my wedding when this lady already texted you this dress and you approved of it and you're trying to make her look stupid now on TV for your own gain. So I don't feel bad for her at all.

47:51Ronnie Karam: I think she's an asshole and she deserves it. And it's a good reality.

47:56Ben Mandelker: I think that like, I guess there's like something so shameless about the way Gavin's doing this that it's like, it's so indelicate. It's just like, okay, you guys start fighting again. It's like, I don't know. I like more of the organic, like the fighting just can't stop because the issue is so pressing. But he's literally just coaxing it out of people and telling them to fight. And then they do.

48:19Ronnie Karam: Well, he's basically doing it. He's basically being the male Lindsay. Because this is what Lindsay does. Like, so, what are we going to talk about? Just like, puts it out there, you know.

48:32Ben Mandelker: Commercials. Here comes one right now.

48:38Ben Mandelker: so then uh uh gavin so he's like yeah kyle and amanda go so now um danielle's like gavin we're not gonna come by ya kumbaya over that right now okay and kyle's like fuck you gavin and kavin says all that matters is how they move forward and are they still in love amanda are you still in love kyle are you still in love i'm just like you know what it is i guess here's what it is i'm trying to drill down into why this annoyed me more because normally i like when people are like mixing it up and like and have creating scenes for us but i think what annoys me is that like it's like why do we have to talk about kyle and amanda at someone else's like wedding even if it's a faux wedding like why can we give it a break for just like one second like i'm okay with like the danielle stuff danielle and lindsey but kyle and amanda again here it's like you guys can't stop talking about this the two of you amanda and kyle you guys can't shut it up for one second like and you just had this whole spiel about how you're not trying to make it awkward for other people why can't you both just be like you know what gavin we have stuff we're working through but we're gonna work through it and tonight's not about us right yeah you know well for the record

49:50Ronnie Karam: i mean i think you're right he is being you know messy and obnoxious and none of this is his business and it has no place here i just think it was the best episode of the city so far and oh yeah i gotta give credit where credit is true because it was him he was literally like okay that's done okay step back please we're going back to amanda possibly being a drug addict okay uh let's step back from that danielle uh were you cheating you probably were okay wait pause on that you're aware that danielle is wearing the same dress as you right okay anybody have any gossip on the waiter. Let's ruin this man's life.

50:28Ronnie Karam: Let's ruin it. It's just making you laugh. But I think that you're right, what you're saying. I was just entertained by it. It was a great episode. Mine just feels too bad sometimes because I love this man so much. But are you in love? And Gavin's like, she just said yes. No, she said I love this guy and I love her too. And he's like, Amanda. Gavin says, Amanda, are you still in love? And then there's a big, long silence while she does her Homer Simpson blink. And she's like, um, whoa, I've got, like, an incredible amount of love for him. But, you know, if I was in love with this person, they wouldn't be treating me this way.

51:12Ronnie Karam: Okay, and are you in love with Amanda Kyle? And Kyle's like, uh, have we been through some ups and downs? Yes. Have I bottomed out in a spiral? Absolutely. Am I embarrassed by it? Absolutely. Have I made out with a curb before and said I love you, Amanda, and then realized it was a curb? Yeah, probably. Didn't my mouth taste like curb after? Yeah, also gum. I don't even remember what flavor it was. Am I asking my question? I forgot what you're talking about.

51:44Ben Mandelker: Kyle, what's the answer? Are you in love? Am I in love right now? Like, no, like what she just said. So then Amanda has this look on her face like, how could you? Even though she also just said that she wasn't. So Kenny is like, well, do you guys think that you can get back to being in love with her? And God's like, how can we be in love right now? Look, Gavin's like, well, you can still be in love during bad times. Just look at Yvonne and Nick. And so Danielle is like, Gavin, all due respect, you've never been in this situation before and you have no fucking idea what you're fucking talking about.

52:20Ben Mandelker: So then Yvonne's like, I can't deal with this. So she leaves because she's like, you guys are all talking about relationships falling apart while I'm trying to celebrate my marriage. And so Georgina goes,

52:30Ronnie Karam: Hey, Yvonne, will you grab me a drink? Grab me a drink while you're going.

52:34Ben Mandelker: He literally asks that. Nope.

52:35Ronnie Karam: Okay.

52:38Ben Mandelker: Georgina's like, hey, I'm talking. I'm talking. So Georgina says, look, I moved out of an apartment for someone I was dating for five years and it was to take space and the goal was to get back together, but I'll never forget the day I moved out. I was so sad and he went to the gym and I remember, yes, I would have, I would have still moved out even if he stayed and begged me not to. But if he had stayed and asked me to like, please don't go or let's figure it out. It just would have meant a lot for me as I moved out and said goodbye to him for the rest of my life. It would have been a nice way to end.

53:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I would have left him anyway, but it would be nice if he pretended to care. And then Lindsay starts crying. And, um, Amanda's like, Gavin, this feels like you're starting shit. And he's like, well, when you, were you, you could get back together right she's like oh my god it's like you know like i mean i'm doing what i'm doing to save the relationship and you just left him stop with this narrative that you're doing what you're doing and so they see that lindsey's crying so like lindsey are you okay and then she says that she's upset because uh well she tells us that she's upset because when she met her baby daddy she really thought that they could make it work but he doesn't want to be with the public person and she even considered giving up her public life for him but he still

53:53Ben Mandelker: didn't want it yeah so then kyle is like well i saw no evidence of effort when i looked around the apartment and the and the move and all that stuff and georgina goes well sometimes the effort comes from one person it's not always 50 50 and kyle's like oh this is a one-way street just like yeah that's what i just said so kenny is like kenny's like well i get that there's a lot of frustration here i say this as someone who just reunited with his father does anyone

54:21Ronnie Karam: want to talk about this no but hey guys you are moving backwards right now okay we stay on topic

54:28Ben Mandelker: gavin who's starting you're the one who moved them backwards they were getting along perfectly

54:35Ronnie Karam: nicely tonight yeah so now it's kind of turning on amanda because kyle's not usually kyle's like whatever but kyle's like hey you know what about her she doesn't speak to me she's always i and his house is a mess. So Amanda's like, I love you dearly, but you guys need to stay the fuck out of this. You literally have no idea. I'm like, okay, that's great, except that you've been, you're fine when it's shoving your side down, but then when the other side starts coming out, you're always like, I don't want to talk about it anymore. And frankly, I thank you because I don't want to hear about it anymore.

55:09Ben Mandelker: I'm just saying. By the way, one thing we've totally forgot to mention was that when Yvonne was giving her speech at the beginning of the dinner, which when things were like nice and happy amongst everyone, she was reflecting on marriage or relationships. And Kyle gives Amanda a smile. Like, like it was almost a nostalgic smile and she smiles back at him. You know, it was almost like a, you know, we do have this relationship, but like there were special times. And then she just gives him the middle finger. And I was like, she's just obnoxious. Oh, she did. Oh, I didn't see. Yeah. Yeah. I was just like, it's just, It's just, I mean, Kyle deserves the middle finger for many things.

55:50Ben Mandelker: Don't get me wrong. Many, many things. He has earned several middle fingers. But like, it's just, these are the sort of things that I feel like for many years, I kind of gave her a pass on because I felt like she was so miserable with Kyle. But like, now that we are no longer giving Amanda a pass, I think it's safe to say like, she can be really incredibly obnoxious. And like that little moment, unless imagine if she never gave him a middle finger. And like, I was the one who watched this moment incorrectly, but I'm pretty sure she did because the music slowed down. The music was like nice. And it slowed down.

56:22Ben Mandelker: Like, Oh,

56:25Ronnie Karam: well, I did notice when all the, when all the other ladies were like, yeah, Kyle and Kyle stays out all night. That's not cool. And Kyle was making it with someone in a bar. You know, they're standing up for Amanda and Amanda just kept doing that smirk. She does, you know, like, yeah. But then when it gets turned on her, she's like, guys, we need to stop talking about this is nobody's business unless you're all yelling at Kyle for me, you know. But, yeah, what an obnoxious couple. So Lindsay is like, you know what, Kyle? Like, you want this partnership where you have togetherness like Andrea and Lexi, right?

57:00Ronnie Karam: And they're like, yeah. And Kyle goes, yeah, you know what she said, though? You know, she's like, hold on, Kyle. You also said you wanted a partnership with togetherness, OK? But your ideas of togetherness are very different. Yeah, he wants a party girl. A party girl was a takeaway.

57:18Ben Mandelker: Kyle, that's literally what you want. And hold on. Kyle's like, I'm going to go jump off a fucking cliff. Hold on. You have to make sure there's cameras there to show it. So then Nick decides, now Nick is annoyed, so he leaves. So Kyle is like, you don't know. You don't know me. 10 years, and you don't know me. so lindsey's like you guys both want the same things but you want it from the other person and like you're both trying to change each other both of you trying to change i was like thank god someone finally said it on this show so kyle's like well apparently she thinks i want a party

57:51Ronnie Karam: girl and stop fucking talking kyle okay i guess we'll have a party girl come up here and talk

57:58Ben Mandelker: instead because apparently that's what i want to do oh hey guess what we got a party hey you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna rename my drink from lover boy to party girl because apparently that's

58:05Ronnie Karam: all i want so lindsey stands up and she's yelling and she's doing they taylor armstrong enough and then she's crying about her own stuff and kyle's like oh god any further questions you guys can email me about it so he leaves and kenny's like well i think the important thing here is that it's not just squarely on one person's shoulder and kyle's getting all this shit okay and don't get me wrong he's done a lot of stuff wrong and so nick comes and he's clinking his glass he's like guys guys um i respect that everyone has a lot going on everyone's like fuck you fuck kyle fuck amanda kyle's wrong amanda's wrong he's like uh this is about my wife's wedding okay my wife is crying in the bathroom right now she's planned this for weeks great expense she thought she was going to be the only one wearing white can we give the woman a break

59:02Ben Mandelker: can everyone put a fucking smile on their face like they just found a new eames chair so they're like okay yes thank you for saying thank you for saying that meanwhile kyle's downstairs he's at the bar at the bar and he's like of course when i look up double standard in the dictionary it's gonna be our relationship he's the guy at the bar talking to himself that you see in the cartoons he's also the guy says if you look blank up in the dictionary yeah

59:28Ronnie Karam: hey barkeep you're paying the ass up in the dictionary for my wife so

59:37Ben Mandelker: so Lindsay's still crying and Amanda's like are you okay like don't apologize I love you you're okay I don't want to see you upset

59:46Ronnie Karam: so then Daniel's having the picture that she sent of her dress to Yvonne she's like see and he's like oh yeah wow first of all you look beautiful but yeah it's exactly how Oh, Lux, you want me to bring it up? Hold on. We're going to get Amanda signed up for rehab, and then I will bring this up in the next quarter. Okay?

1:00:03Ben Mandelker: I mean, I would have said don't wear it, but, like, yeah. I'm not saying that Yvonne set you up for failure, but she kind of did. Anyway, I'm going to go have a beverage.

1:00:12Ronnie Karam: That was so funny, though, because it's like, you're absolutely right. That is the dress that you said you were going to wear it. I mean, I would have said don't wear it, but.

1:00:23Ben Mandelker: I mean, Danielle should have known. that was a very light shade of pink very light shade of pink so Lindsay is like you know we've been Amanda we've been through so much together and I feel like it's just like a lot and Amanda's like I know and like you don't normally cry and this is like crazy I'm like a lot softer since I had a kid

1:00:39Ronnie Karam: hey everybody the bride is here okay let's uh let's Yvonne is Yvonne so everyone starts clapping and Lindsay and Amanda just keep talking I love you I love you Lindsay

1:00:52Ben Mandelker: not moving out of the way and Amanda's like so then Yvonne is like okay are you guys good? Amanda's like I'm good, it's Gavin's fault and Lindsay's like god damn it Gavin no wheelbarrowing he's like oh I lost my chance so they are like joking and it's like fun and Yvonne is saying like well okay there's another course to everyone so it gives us an opportunity to try again to have a nice time so she, Yvonne tells us you know I've known Lindsay for a hundred years I don't care if Lindsay gets activated and she's not getting activated for the right couple. She's like, I'm like your sister. You're standing on your chair screaming about Kyle and Amanda and I need you to stand in your chair and tell everybody to shut up so that my five-course dinner can proceed.

1:01:36Ronnie Karam: This would be so boring if that happened, Yvonne. I'm so sorry. But you and Nick are not the most exciting couple and nobody wants to hear it from you two. Nobody wants to hear it, okay? What do you want to talk about? This is a TV show. And so Georgina tries to make a speech and she's like, well, I have known this couple for so long They really balance each other well Wow It's so worth celebrating Aren't we happy to be here And Yvonne's looking around like anybody else And Kyle returns like Oh I told the bartender to look at the dictionary

1:02:13Ben Mandelker: We're clearly not over it The room does seem to reset Nick and Yvonne kiss Andrea's like, oh, there's a beautiful bride in the room. And everyone's like, yay. And they're making jokes. Tongue, tongue, tongue. And then this is when Kyle comes back. He's like, sorry, buddy. We're not being able to hold it together. And Kenny's like, well, you know what? I do empathize with you in terms of people coming at your relationship and responding. I was like, Kenny, they just reset the room.

1:02:43Ronnie Karam: Both of them. Kyle and Kenny.

1:02:45Ben Mandelker: It's like they cannot move forward. But Kenny knew. Kyle didn't know. He came back drunk thinking they were still fighting. Kenny knew the room was reset, and he still went right back into it. And Danielle's like, well,

1:02:57Ronnie Karam: I mean, at least this came from someone's mouth versus Lindsay finding information on the internet like you've been wanting to find information about my man. Jordina's like, oh, my God.

1:03:08Ben Mandelker: I love how everything's always blamed on me. First of all, Danielle, she's like, was it not you that brought it up or no? She's like, why is it that I'm the one that's bringing this shit up? I was at the garret with the boys, and they had a lot to say about Owen, okay? Because the boys had a lot to say, because the boys... Why does she keep saying it like that? She's like, the boys... She keeps putting her hand down. She does this weird... The boys... The boys... She keeps, like, doing this thing where she's, like, showing the back of her hand to her. She's like, the boys? The boys?

1:03:41Ronnie Karam: The boys? Who do you... And I said, okay, I only operate on tax the boys. And Kyle's like, I only have real facts, too, okay? And Kenny's like, that's why we're going to you guys for facts. So Lindsay's like, I mean, what do girls do? They find facts. This is very typical of you, Daniel. So I go, typical of me? Geez, you're maybe stepping in this direction. I think maybe you could text me and say, like, this is what the boys are talking about.

1:04:13Ben Mandelker: Sorry, I'm not, like, thinking about texting you in the middle of a conversation. That's about you. I'm like, you could learn a lot from Janet. Janet would be like, oh my god, Danielle, they are talking about you right now. Your life is in danger. So Gavin is like, why does everyone keep saying boys like that? Yeah, it's definitely a Z at the end of that one. So Lindsay's like, everything's always blamed on me. And Danielle's like, well, you literally told me to my face. I was like, oh, I would love to see your apartment. And I was like, I would love for you to get to know Owen. And the first thing that you do is Google him to try to sniff out something that he's doing wrong.

1:04:46Ronnie Karam: well i'll be fair there was no sniffing we were just confused like how long they were married you know we didn't know unless he's like i'm again the boys say something please and he's like well um i think it you know we just wanted to make sure you weren't oblivious to whatever was going on yeah i just started over basic confusion like how long is he married and owen goes you guys don't even know me he's like we're trying to get to know you what google's for but i think

1:05:14Ben Mandelker: Like, Owen saying you guys don't even know me, like, I don't feel like that makes sense in this scenario. Because, like, it's one thing to say, oh, Owen, he, you know what he loves? He loves miniature golf. And he'd be like, you guys don't even know me. Like, you can't make, like, a judgment or an assessment about my personality. But trying to figure out what a wedding date is is not about whether you know someone or not. You're just trying to establish a timeline in the world, right? Yeah, him saying that felt like a bit of a deflection to me.

1:05:44Ronnie Karam: well i mean i get why he'd be i get why that couple would be defensive like why you guys keep trying to make it look like we're cheaters even if we are cheaters it's like why are you trying to do this on tv i get why they would be annoyed but owen just comes off i just believe that owen did cheat and he just seems um he's not handling it well it's like he's sending danielle out to do all the fighting but then when it comes right down to it um they can't really answer and And then they're just like, um, this is legal. And we cannot say, oh, gosh, we just had this on Rhode Island. Like, oh, unfortunately, I can't answer things because it's a legal situation.

1:06:20Ronnie Karam: Sorry.

1:06:25Ben Mandelker: So anyway, so Owen's like, I don't come in and give my life story off the bat. And Danielle says, divorce is a very sensitive fucking subject. and Amanda goes, so I will say Kyle came home and he was talking about how Owen kept on saying four years, four years, four years, four years and Lindsay is like so Lindsay's talking about something else, she's talking about co-parenting and mediation

1:06:47Ronnie Karam: well she's saying a sensitive subject is also co-parenting and so is mediation, Danielle yeah, but I've never poked and prodded those about you and she goes, nor have I and Owen's like that's just absurd and Amanda's like hold on, at Halloween everybody was talking about it behind your back And I said, let me just go talk to Owen. And I asked you, when you're saying four years versus two, were you legally married four years ago and your wedding was two? And your response to me was, and we see a flashback to him saying, ah, there was a thing called COVID. You remember COVID? It changed the length of years.

1:07:25Ben Mandelker: She goes, yeah, hold on. I don't need attitude from you. and so I don't really understand what his why I don't understand what his response was so Danielle's like

1:07:36Ronnie Karam: she was saying are you saying that you got married legally on one day but then you like had a wedding wedding two years later like trying to clarify that seems like it would be the natural thing and Owen was like oh you heard of COVID like people couldn't actually go out and have a wedding during COVID Amanda got it but being nasty. I don't need gratitude, Dick. I'm actually trying to make it look better for you.

1:08:04Ben Mandelker: So, Amanda's basically saying, I'm just trying to give him the opportunity to clear the air. And he's like, oh, so stupid. So, Danielle says, I feel like you're trying to catch him in something that I already know about. She says, I'm not trying to catch him. Well, why didn't you just come to me? And I would have been like, I actually already knew all this information. And Georgina's like, well, but she's coming to you right now, so why don't we talk about it? And Danielle's like, a little too late because you know what they've already tried to paint a picture that he's dodgy that he's lying that he's all these things i'm like well i don't know if he's lying but he definitely

1:08:33Ronnie Karam: was dodgy last week for sure yeah he's pretty dodgy so um georgina's like well then what is the truth i mean i think there's probably a head in the freezer or something and that's why we don't know what happened because this is a lot and so they're arguing back and forth and amanda's like i was just trying to clear his name and daniel's like why should he have to clear his name he doesn't have to and lindsey goes then why is he on this fucking show like you're on a tv show okay and daniel goes he's only on here because i introduced him to you and lindsey goes and then why are you on the fucking show then meaning i mean i took it to mean why are you on the show if you want to hide everything and daniel that's how i took it as well oh that's what this is you don't want me on this show, Lindsay.

1:09:20Ben Mandelker: Danielle gave such a withering look, too. I felt like Danielle was being dramatic and it was not dramatic, but I do agree that I think Lindsay was saying, well, why are you on the show if you're not willing to be opening to questions or have everything examined, right? And Danielle taking it as like, oh, you're mad that I'm on the show. It's kind of probably all of the above. Lindsay's probably not happy that Danielle is back on the show. Why is Danielle here? Why is she on my show? Right? But Danielle takes it purely as, like, this is the root of the issue, which I'm not sure it is the root of the issue.

1:09:54Ben Mandelker: I think it's probably just an ancillary issue. And Danielle gets this look on her face, her eyes, like, narrow. She's like, oh, there it is. And it was, like, it was so dramatic. It was like a soap opera that I actually was, like, I started to giggle. I was like, this is great.

1:10:10Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Danielle's been wanting to have this fight. And she's like, you showed your true colors, Lindsay. And she's like, I'm just saying, if you don't want to talk about your life, I mean, I sat at the Garrett and defended you while I was Googling him. And Danielle's like, what are you even talking about? And Kyle's like, you need to open up and stop being defensive and fake. All right?

1:10:32Ben Mandelker: She's like, I am open. And so Georgina goes, well, why do we not still know the truth? And Devon's like, is there anything we could do to make this about me and Nick right now? I was like, guys, all we were was like, has he been married for four years or two? And Danielle's like, but what does it matter to you guys? And Lindsay says, they're literally like moving out of apartments and they're married? Like you guys can't even talk about facts? Like that's insane, Danielle. So then Nick pounds his fist on the table. He's like, guys, I want to clear a few things up. Oh, a silly chair is different from an Eames chair.

1:11:03Ben Mandelker: And I just hate how you guys are always confusing them. And I just had to mention it right now because we're putting everything on the table, which I don't do tables, by the way, only the chairs. Yeah.

1:11:10Ronnie Karam: And he's like, guys, we just got married, okay? And he's trying to make a joke, and they all laugh. And Amanda's like, well, it's getting weird and offensive, you guys are, and it's making it look mad. Like, nobody cares. They're like, thank you, Nick. Have a seat. We will continue this seat. So Kyle's like, let Owen speak. He's a little soft-spoken. Right, Owen? Meet the peaky-folking blinders, right, Owen? He's like, I got married in 2021. and Georgina's like great thank you and I had my wedding in 2023 she goes wow and that's it and Gavin's like why didn't you just say that from the very beginning it's so easy and he's like

1:11:54Ben Mandelker: and I'm sorry the divorce is filed and Gavin's like yeah why didn't you say that and Daniel goes because you guys don't fucking know him why does he owe you guys anything and Gavin is like but like why be shady when I ask you a direct question, which I think is a fair question, especially if there's like rumors and you're on a TV show altogether. Why don't you just debt it when they say, when did you guys get married? Because there's gossip items about it. Why don't you just say 2021 wedding in 2023? Yeah.

1:12:25Ronnie Karam: I don't know, but they can't. And it's like he finally did, but it's been circles and circles and circles. So I don't believe them. And so this is where Danielle says there's legal things we cannot talk about and if you think he's dodgy continue that and if you think i'm a bitch just continue to do that like i don't even care anymore because honestly at this point i don't give a fuck but it matters to me for our future that we just not talk so specifically about a lot of things that are regarding his divorce so my well my takeaway is this my takeaway is that divorce

1:12:59Ben Mandelker: is messy, and so he's been advised don't talk about the divorce or the relationship at all on television. Just whatever it is, keep the conversation moving, don't talk about anything. So when it comes up and people are asking when did you get married, when was the wedding, he's trying to be like, I'm not going to say anything. But what he's actually doing is making it seem so shady, like there was funny business. Maybe there was, I don't know. But I would not be surprised if he was trying super, super hard to try to

1:13:36Ben Mandelker: follow some sort of lawyer's advice about what you should or should not put on television. But I think he got gummed up all in it. And now he looks worse than if he had just simply answered the question in the first place last week.

1:13:48Ronnie Karam: Also, just don't go on TV. Well, there's that. You dumb-dumb. So, Danielle's like, I mean, if I could show you an email offline, then maybe you would understand what I'm talking about. Oh, man. But none of you are owed that. And not even one of you have asked what his last name is or what he does for a leave-in. And Gavin's like, he's a heavey. It's heavey. I know that one. Yes.

1:14:16Ben Mandelker: Danielle goes, what does he like to do in his spare time? All you fucking care about is this fucking shit. Oh, proving him wrong about what? I know the truth and I'm very happy And that's all you need to know And that's it, that's it, and that's it Yikes So Lindsay's like

1:14:33Ronnie Karam: Oh, the tables have turned And by the way Let me say something And Owen's like, my fucking eardrum is broken From that fucking bitch down there Okay, okay Owen I didn't like you before I fucking hate you now What's this guy doing here? I hope they catch him Yeah

1:14:52Ben Mandelker: Well, he, uh, Lindsay Lindsay now is like, hello everyone I am now going to make this about me So she said, my point in asking questions was to make sure that you're fucking good. I'm not coming to you I'm not coming to you saying, you should do this, you should do that Not how you treated me when I was fucking engaged to Carl crying my eyes out hysterically Yeah, it's very clear you haven't changed

1:15:15Ronnie Karam: Uh, so now they're going back and forth. Oh, whatever, Lindsay Thanks for reading, you haven't changed And she's like, oh, really? My life bothers you so much. And so Danielle's like, oh, I'm happy. And that really bothers you. So Lindsay's like. And Danielle tells us she was the ride or die for years for Lindsay. But then, you know, the second she started having her own opinion, Lindsay didn't like that. Lindsay only likes a fan. I mean, that's kind of true. But you not only started having your own opinion, you started trying to prove that you weren't like a lap dog by being an asshole. which I think we see a lot on these shows.

1:15:55Ben Mandelker: So she says, she doesn't want me to be in a good place. It's definitely the most turbulent friendship I've ever had. And the producer says, Owen, do you have friendships like this? And he's like, no. So then Yvonne is like, Owen kisses Yvonne goodbye. Owen and Danielle are going to leave. And she's like, no, don't leave. It's my wedding. And Lindsay's like, talk your fucking truth. She's like, no, this is fucking bullshit. yeah it's bullshit then we fucking talk our truth and you don't that's the bullshit

1:16:26Ronnie Karam: yeah and then lindsey's like the girl in white should leave and she goes it's fucking pink you bitch and she storms out of there like trying to find her way through all these curtains they've hung up and uh nick's like oh my god if there's alcohol in anyone's glass please pass it to me uh so daniella stormed out kenny is like okay guys Because Yvonne goes, guys, can anyone please toast the couple? It's my wedding. So Kenny's like, okay. Guys, let me say something. There's a lot going on. People are stressed. Why are we blaming Kyle for everything? Okay. It is not Kyle's fault that Amanda smokes weed.

1:17:10Ronnie Karam: Can Amanda take some cream? Circle, circle.

1:17:16Ben Mandelker: so um so then they are uh kenny's like you know people are stressed relationships are fucking hidden they're falling apart it's like yeah guys we got to go away we got to go on vacation i think it's time we got to get out of here all as one group so we see that lindsey and kenny have planned a trip to connecticut when they were at that dinner together and they're like wouldn't it be funny if like we were like the unsuspecting host of like uh friendsgiving or like a trip like we should do something maybe one of those two options he's like what about a Friendsgiving trip. Oh my God!

1:17:47Ronnie Karam: Totally natural. So Lindsay's like, so Kenny and I were thinking, how did we get to Kenny and you, by the way? He's like, we had a sit down. We talked about our shitty parents. It was lovely. And Yvonne's like, good for you guys. Planning an event? We can't wait to be there. Have fun, Lindsay. Why is everybody always mad at me? You literally just like hijacked our entire night. You literally just fought with every single person and now you're making announcement about your weekend great lindsey kenny brought it up and yvonne's like well we'll

1:18:18Ben Mandelker: consider it thank you if you don't see what i'm trying to say like literally i spent so much time planning this to bring us you guys all together for us and i'm gonna talk about some trip you're just hijacking my wedding my technically not my wedding my it's like my after wedding well it's my after wedding after wedding but like i don't care go on the trips do whatever you want but

1:18:37Ronnie Karam: this kind of sucks yeah and she does keep saying her wedding so i was wondering if they like did their vows or something again this night but whatever who cares great episode it was great

1:18:49Ben Mandelker: it was actually like a i love a bottle episode wherein most of the episode takes place in like one location and when just everything comes out over a dinner table and it feels like a one-act play and that's what this one definitely felt like i thought it was great yeah great great times in

1:19:06Ronnie Karam: the city. All right, everybody, we will be skipping McBee Dynasty this week, and we won't be here next week. I'm actually, this is my last show until we come back from break. I'm not going to be here tomorrow, Thursday either, but I will see you guys soon. Love you. I hope you have a happy fourth, and be here tomorrow with some more Watch World problems. Oh, also check out our bonus this week. It's Love Island. We'll talk to you guys later. Bye. Bye.

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