#3448 RHOA S17E14 Part Two: Saucy Tartan

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1:30Watch what happens when there's so much that happens.

1:38Ben Mandelker: Watch what happens when there's so much that happens.

1:48Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. This is part two of a two-part recap. if you're like hey wait a minute i didn't hear part one guys it's because we put out a lot of recaps go back and listen to part one okay it's before this one bye enjoy the show so they go on

2:06Ben Mandelker: a little tour they see i guess it looked like these kilts were being hand sewn which is crazy but they look at they go to the factory you see lovely lovely ladies sewing and it's really cool And then they decide to go to a place called The Alchemist for dinner. And so they go in. It's one of these places where there's a bartender, like hipster bartender, lighting things on fire. And it's a lot of oohs and ahhs. It's very exciting. Very hipster mixology.

2:35Ronnie Karam: Hipsters love smoke coming off of things. Like drinks. They're like, wow, look. Smoke's coming off of this drink. Sniffing. No, you guys don't let me smoke cigarettes anymore. and now you want me to like inhale your drink no fucking put a marlboro light in there dicks smoke it's everywhere oh now like on the in the city but we watched that one together right when they had the wedding dinner yeah we did they had the wedding dinner or we recapped it together rather they had the wedding dinner and it was one of these senses place and he's like i'm here to stimulate more than just your mouth no that's okay this is a fucking restaurant stimulate my mouth Like, what are you going to rub my kneecaps?

3:19Ronnie Karam: And then they start like a pine cone on fire. And they're like, snip the pine cone. Get the fuck out of here. Get me some fries.

3:27Ben Mandelker: I like it. I want to go to that restaurant. Next time I'm in New York, I want to go to Dilly Dally. It looked good.

3:33Ronnie Karam: I'll go with you and not complain. Just kidding.

3:36Ben Mandelker: You can come with them and complain. Just not to their faces. Yeah, yeah. Just privately. Privately, we can complain.

3:45Ronnie Karam: Like Kathy Griffin always said I would never say that I would say it behind your back I was raised right Like Kathy Bates would say I object because she's on Matlock Or like Kathy Bates would also say I'm older and I've got more insurance

4:02Ben Mandelker: Or as Kathy Baker would say Ronnie Karam has a beef with me And I still don't know why

4:11Ronnie Karam: Okay Oh, OK. So now they're talking about what are they talking about? We're still in a kilt store. Oh, yeah. Are we at dinner yet? Oh, no. Now we're at dinner. We just talked about the pine cones. OK, so now they're at dinner and Portia is being nice to Kelly and Kelly is like, oh, wow, I could get used to this. You know, I like when Portia likes girls. She's nicer. She's nicer. is a lesbian. Whatever Peach is peaching Portia, keep getting that, keep pegging the peach. That's what she needs.

4:44Ben Mandelker: Pegging the peach. And then Angela asked a question that very few people in America have ever thought about, but she says, Drew, how's your music going? And she goes, oh, my music is amazing. I have a new song coming out with Ray J. And everyone's like, Ray J? She goes, it's very sexy. You know, making moves. Okay, Michelle's like, well, it might be a great record. I mean, it really is. For real, it might be a great record. Because you know why? Because Delusion on Delusion makes hits.

5:18Ronnie Karam: So they're like, I'll be your backup singer, Drew. Just give me a call. So then Drew, in her starting shit voice, is like, well, you know, poor show. We are looking because I met with Dennis. And we're talking about putting this tour together. and you know he was upset you know he wasn't very happy that i was we didn't have a chance to talk but you know we're talking about personal stuff and catching up and he was definitely like pouring his heart out a little bit about y 'all's relationship borsche is just like seriously i just made up with you three weeks ago i just asked you to come back to go naked hair and now you're gonna bring up dennis who we fought about all season last season because i didn't want you bringing my ex as your storyline onto tv and now you're going to bring him up on tv and then bring up shit that he said to you behind my back on tv they're trying porsche today yeah there's a little

6:13Ben Mandelker: bit of an element of like pretending to be i guess we call it concern trolling but really what drew is doing is flouting or flaunting her access to dennis in this moment right and also she's i think

6:28Ronnie Karam: they're trying to get a reaction out of porsche like oh i talked to dennis and he was talking about your relationship oh hell no you're lucky that porsche is just in her cruise control where she's like i'm just gonna be fun nice porsche all season and no one is gonna ruffle me because man they just keep coming up to bat so drew starts that and she's like so i'm asking do you miss her do you want to be back together and he says you don't want him and um angela's like it's Mike a threat? Does she think Mike's a threat?

7:01Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and she's basically like, she's like, no, well, Mike wasn't a threat, but then once Sway came into the picture, all of a sudden Dennis started to feel a certain sort of way.

7:14Ronnie Karam: He didn't mind the man, he minded the woman.

7:17Ben Mandelker: Yeah, of course. Which is interesting. And Angela's like, wow. So Portia's like, I honestly don't feel like Dennis should have an opinion on who I'm dating, because I I have no idea who he is dating and who he calls like his work. And at this point, like we both have been very responsible parents. So I feel like you should just like trust like who I want to be with.

7:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Cause he has no say. I'm sorry. What's that? Yeah. He's no, he's no say. Yeah. Yeah. So she's like, you know, I was very protective of the situation. It's not like I'm going to bring anyone around my child, whoever they are, unless they're good to me, I'm not going to put my child in the middle of anything like that. And Shamia's like, well, I have a question. Uh-oh. Dun, dun, dun. Here we go. She's like, Dennis talked to Gerald and told Gerald that you mentioned that you weren't comfortable with Pilar coming around us. And that was very disappointing and very hurtful. Because you know I would never do anything to hurt your child.

8:12Ronnie Karam: Oh, Jesus. Now that Portia is accusing you of wanting to hurt her child. She didn't say that.

8:19Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And so Portia goes, well, if somebody doesn't like me or if I feel like someone has ill will, like, or we're not close, like, I'm not going to, like, have my daughter go over to their house. Which I think is correct. And, by the way, the reason why you don't do that is look at Portia and Shamia, two girls who were friends. And the mothers had a falling out. And look at how it winds up sort of poisoning this friendship. Takes a while, but it's a ticking time bomb. And the seeds grow. And, like, yes, they had a very close friendship. But the moment the friendship starts to curdle a little bit, all that poison that comes in from both their mothers, because you know their mothers talk shit about each other in front of both those girls.

8:55Ben Mandelker: Like, it all comes out. So, like, I think Portia's got the right idea. Like, nope, if we're not getting along, Hilara is not going to be going over to your house.

9:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because it's not about, like, physically hurting the child, but there's different ways, you know? And if somebody doesn't like you, they could be like, so how is your mom? Yeah, it's kind of difficult. There's a lot of ways to get in there. I don't really get it. My mom would send me to her enemy's house on purpose. You know? Get the entire. Enjoy this show tune singing, you know, hypercritical five-year-old to read you for filth for no reason. Oh, by the way, he started tap class and I forgot his sneakers. So have fun. Get him! Go get him, you tiny gay. make them rue the day they ever met me so um so portia yeah she's like yeah i'm just it's not

9:53Ben Mandelker: gonna it's not gonna happen and shimmy goes well respectfully you're the mother of pilar and you have to make the best decision but i guess i just would have hoped that we wouldn't have allowed what our friendship or lack thereof to affect what our kids have your kids they're like six seven i don't know how old polar is eight like sorry you know like kids are pretty resilient and and like at that point friendships are not like very deep so like yeah it would be a bummer if they couldn't hang out anymore but like i guarantee polar's gonna get a new friend like we all had friends that moved away or like i was there are people that i was friends with that like my mom clearly did not like the parents and then suddenly i wasn't going over their house anymore and i didn't i didn't understand why but i was like okay just playing with you play with new kids i'll play with my toys with someone else it's not like there were like these deep conversations happening with the with like kids at like seven or eight it's kind of like do you want to come over do you want to play a game do you want to play with toys like that's it also shamia didn't

10:54Ronnie Karam: know this until dennis you know dennis by the way this is the second time in this conversation that dennis is behind the scenes trying to start shit to get on this show yeah by the way that's also He just did it with Drew. Now he's doing it with Shamia and her husband. But anyway, Shamia didn't know that this was even an issue, that the kid wasn't coming to her house until Dennis said something. So how many times have you even invited Pilar over that they've said no? Probably none. Because you're probably not invited. How are you just noticing this now that Pilar is no longer hanging around your child?

11:28Ben Mandelker: This has always been my issue with Dennis. I've always felt like he was passive-aggressive and he's crafting. He's always doing different things to get at Portia. this is one of them i think like obviously like signing on to be drew's music producer is a thing to get at porsche especially because his ministry is hot dogs and suddenly he's a music producer so he is doing things and i'm really glad you brought this up because i didn't even think about that it's totally true if ever the question comes up of why don't you bring pilar around he can just say oh she's busy she's with her mom like you can you can come up with any excuse but the fact that you're throwing porsche under the bus to the person to the family that Portia's having issues with, that's crafty.

12:06Ben Mandelker: I think your loyalty should be to Portia. Don't go to Portia's house and give us a whole, sit there and try to make us feel bad for you to give back this ring. I guess I hoped that someday it would actually really happen while you're also going over there and you're not having her back. You want this person to someday come back to you, but you're not going to have her back with her enemy. That's just not going to work out that way.

12:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I mean, it's the hot dog king. He came on here clearly to be on TV you know and then got his own you know got a spinoff with portia and all of that so he's still riding the wave yeah yes um and they all fall for it so um shamia's so shamia tells us oh do you really do you really think i would hurt your child oh god that just got me even deeper oh please she never said you were gonna hurt the child this is what shamia does she's she twists things to make at like oh now you're accusing me of you know hurting your child no one ever said that

13:03Ben Mandelker: are you making you say yeah it's not it's just porsche does not want to bring her child around someone who she's just not vibing with because also there's like that moment of having to pick up the child like it just you don't know what awkwardness could happen there between the parents she's i think she's i think porsche's making the right decision and porsche is like saying yeah well now she's poking at me and like she's using and she's poking at me by using the person the thing that's most important to me which is my daughter it's time for a commercial

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16:07Ronnie Karam: Before we go on, this is the first of Shamia doing two reality things you do not do. Bring up the kid. Bring up the family. Bring up the husband. Bring up the mom. So I guess she brought up Dennis. She brought up Pilar. And then she's going to go for a mom later. She's like hitting all of, and she didn't really say anything bad about Dennis. But you know what I mean? She's doing the things that when you do on a reality show and they're like, oh my god, you brought my child into this. you know like angela like you you said something to my child that's a no-no and shamiya goes for

16:42Ben Mandelker: three of them in one scene yeah yeah exactly so portia's basically like the only time i would be down to like have the kids still hang out with like at the household of an adult who i'm not speaking with would be like have to be like my sister right and then so shamiya's like yeah but then again you also mentioned at your house that no one should speak on our friendship because we were like sisters it's like shamiya you're like sisters you are not sisters like so like stop trying to play the sister card here because it's like that ship has that ship has sailed but that's

17:20Ronnie Karam: also she's all and not but and she's also referring to a moment where porsche was kind of sticking up for her when they were trying to start an argument at porsche's party at the beginning of the season and be like, oh gosh, Shamia's walking in here late. So do you guys still have an issue? Because it seems like there might still be an issue. And Portia's like, no, I'm not going to speak on this with you guys. This is mine and Shamia's business. I mean, to me, that's kind of sticking up for somebody and being like, no, I'm not going to sit here and fight with them on TV because I care about this person.

17:51Ronnie Karam: And then you've still gone and, you know, had animosity towards Portia for the rest of the season. So it's like, you're bringing it up now. Like it's this horrible thing. Like you said at your house that, you know, well, she's not saying it's a horrible thing, but she's saying like at your house, you said we were sisters and now you can't leave your kid at my house, even though I'm like your sister, which is it? Shamia, you're just struggling too hard to have an argument with somebody who doesn't care anymore, you know?

18:17Ben Mandelker: Well, and also, again, she is also seeking the approval of Portia because she's basically saying like, I thought we were sisters. Aren't we sisters? Can't we be sisters? And like, why don't you bring your girl around my place? Like, why, why, why? you know and so um portia is like yeah well i said that we were sisters i thought we were but like you know then things came to my knowledge last year that changed for me and we see like a flashback of angela basically saying what was it what was the crux of that that uh that that pivotal conversation over tennis about like oh shamia is saying that she uh doesn't like well

18:53Ronnie Karam: that's when portia found out that shamia had been kind of coming for her behind her back all seats and then saying that, you know, she's always been there for Portia, but Portia didn't even want her on this show and all of this stuff. And that over tennis is when Angela told her. Yeah, exactly. She's, so after that clip, Shami is like, yeah, and you told a lot of lies last year, you know, and you let them land even down to the fact of you saying to Andy, oh, I always, oh, didn't I want her always to be part of the friend group, Andy? And then we see the reunion clip where she says that to Andy, And Andy's like, yes, yes, you've always said Shamia should be a peach holder.

19:31Ben Mandelker: Right. And then Shamia's like, you know, you and I both know that we sat down and had a cold conversation about me being part of this friend group. And you said, Shamia, you sing, you dance, you act, you got the hawks, all this stuff. And you said this was your thing. And this is your friend group. And I'll bring you on as a friend on the show. But I think it might mess up our friendship if you actually come on as a full-time housewife. That's what you said. I believe that that conversation happened and I could see it going both ways I can see Portia being like this is my thing like you know you don't get to be like this is my thing you don't get to be part of it but I can also see Portia saying like hey you have so much talent like you can do other things you don't have to do this like if anything this puts our friendship in jeopardy so I don't recommend you come on the show so I can see it going both ways for sure I just can't figure out which way was the The intention.

20:24Ronnie Karam: We know that Shamia twists. So I have a feeling Shamia, and also, okay, I'm still kind of.

20:32Ben Mandelker: But I also can kind of believe Portia would kind of want to say, this is my thing. Don't come, you're not allowed to be a part of it.

20:38Ronnie Karam: We see how Shamia twists things. And I think Portia, I could see Portia saying Shamia, because Portia had already brought Shamia on the show. She had already like given Shamia this opportunity. She had already done all of this, in my mind, for Shamia. So I don't see her being like, no, you can't come on the show. This is my thing. I don't see that. I'm not saying Shamia is really a liar, but I could see like you were saying. I think that Portia was probably like, but Shamia, the problem is if you come onto this show, they're going to pit us against each other. You see what they do. I've been on this show forever.

21:12Ronnie Karam: They're going to pit us against each other. We're going to end up hating each other. This could be a thing in our friendship, you know, so just know that. And look what happened. It did happen. and it wasn't porsche who did it it was you it was you who came on and was like porsche never wanted me and been doing it now for two years so she was correct so you're sitting here crying but that's exactly what you did the second you had the chance you came on the show and then you tried to start shit with porsche for camera time and she she told you back then it was going to happen and now it's happening and what she's supposed to apologize to you i think that i think that

21:46Ben Mandelker: Shamia's had long running issues about feeling like she's had to always be second fiddle to Portia. And, uh, she has, and so I, I think that has been something that she has struggled with. And so when Portia says this actually as an active, like protection of the friendship, Shamia takes it in the worst possible way because to her, she sees it as another piece of evidence that Portia's always going to be top dog and Shamia's going to be lap dog. And so Portia may have had really good intentions and be like, no, I will support you coming on the show, but this could really jeopardize our friendship.

22:28Ben Mandelker: And Shamia sees it as like, oh, this is her way of saying, you're not allowed. This is my thing. You're not allowed to be part of it because Shamia is reading those intentions into it because she already has so much baggage. so I think it's a pretty complicated thing and I think that Shamia just has to work on her issues regarding like Portia and just like being her own person because ultimately I I can see the frustration of feeling like you're in like a one-sided relationship with someone but eventually like you have to be in control of like your own reactions and what you do and so like the only way you can truly become have some sort of parity is not by like demanding it of the other person you just sort of have to just be your own independent person and then you can re-establish

23:13Ronnie Karam: your friendship that way yeah so shimmy portia calls her a liar and she's like why would i lie why would i lie about it it's what you said and she's like well i don't have a reason to lie and she goes but you do portia and she's like well i'm trying to figure out why you're doing this and you're here with these girls and you're just doing the same thing. Like, what the hell? And she was like, no, I'm not. You know, I'm going to speak up though because we talked about our parents in Savannah and you said, oh, I don't ever want our friendship to be affected by our parents' friendship. And we agreed to that.

23:48Ronnie Karam: But then you went on your public platform and talked about my mom, you know, doing something egregious to your mom. And, you know, you said that my mom bought your mom's daycare when in fact your mom did something first to my mom i was like oh no okay you're bringing the moms into it hey that was a reaction this is making me cry that was a reaction post to something that was said you're allowed to make reaction posts to something the things that were said on the show and now you're fighting about the mom's daycare and at first i was like oh no this is so low i cannot believe you were doing this and i was like this is the best thing ever and i hope they bring the moms the moms i know main characters on the show i need a daycare fight so she's like your mom did something first which is why my mom did buy your mom's daycare which as we all know is

24:36Ben Mandelker: the most classic version of retaliation buying someone else's daycare so guys welcome to the

24:42Ronnie Karam: daycare your kids are going to be well taken care of here i really didn't ever want a daycare i just bought this because i hated the bitch who owned it before she flirted with jasperians anyway i I don't know, five plus five. What do I know?

24:56Ben Mandelker: So we see that, like, Portia had posted something about, you know, the moms, right? And this is what Shamia's reacting to. And, you know, Portia had written something like, don't take it there. Don't imply shit about Diane Williams. I've been keeping it cute and quiet, and you can do and say what you want in me, but hear me when I say, wrong road, talking about, well, your mom thought my mom was a friend, knowing goddamn well, What she did to my mom was highly egregious. Don't keep playing the victim. So this is something that Porsche had posted. And now Shamia's basically saying like, well, I wasn't going to take it there.

25:32Ben Mandelker: But then you put it out there and made it seem like my mom was the aggressor here. But now it's time for America to hear what caused the great daycare wars of 1995.

25:47Ronnie Karam: But again, this post that they show on screen is a reaction to Shamia saying on TV, like, well, my mom just thought that her mom was afraid. Doing the same victim shit she's doing right now. So then we see a flashback to the reunion where the drama of the moms comes up. And she says, she's telling us now, I was quiet last year because I was trying to protect and salvage what I thought was a genuine friendship. but fuck it. I'm going to go there. If you want to go there, I'll go there. So Portia's like, Shamia, I don't care what our parents did because they were friends prior to us. What does that have to do with anything?

26:25Ronnie Karam: She's like, well, you posted about my mom, but you didn't post about what your mom did. You want to talk about that? She's like, I don't know about their relationship. What did my mom do? She's like, oh, really? You knew enough to tell everybody that my mom bought your mom's daycare? She's like, everybody knew that. Yeah, but everybody doesn't know that your mom tried to sleep with my dad. And the music is like, boom.

26:50Ben Mandelker: And everyone goes, ah! And I was like, whoa. I was not expecting that twist. And everyone's just like, everyone's shocked. And, you know, Kim Michelle's really sad. She goes, oh, Shamia. And Cynthia's like, Shamia came to dinner with one in the chamber. This just wasn't the one-to-one load. And Kim Michelle's like, oh, man, she's about to explode. Portia, Portia, don't blame at her mama.

27:12Ronnie Karam: This was incredibly low and stupid of Shamia to do. I mean, what the hell? So during this, I'm like, well, she went so low, Portia automatically wins, right? Shamia's been pushing, pushing. All she has to do is stay quiet, and she automatically wins. Oh, hell no. So then Portia goes, you and your mother are low-down dirty snakes. And I was like, oh, my God, yes! I was covering my head and cracking up.

27:39Ben Mandelker: And then Shamia's like, no, you and your mama are low-down dirty snakes, bitch. And she goes, yes, you are. And everyone's like, stop, stop, stop. And Shamia's like, and it comes down from generation to generation. You are a slithering dirty snake, and I've kept my mouth closed long enough. And you're the same person who's saying it comes from generation to generation, and then you're like, why doesn't Pilar come over? Are you crazy?

28:01Ronnie Karam: Why would you think I would be mean to Pilar after you're like, generations of you have been horrible women? so Portia's like oh there it is there's that nasty snake and she's like yeah well I didn't I'm holding my mouth because I didn't want to do that I didn't want to embarrass her and Portia's like oh who are you gonna embarrass me she's like if my mom did something like that that's on her what do I know anyway it's not true you nasty snake I love that reaction like what do I care if my mom tried to hit on your dad 90 years ago so she was like but every chance you get you bring

28:35Ben Mandelker: my mom up. Why would you do that? She's like, no, I've been sitting on this because I knew it already and I took that home to my mom. She was like, and what'd your mom say? Well, she was flabbergasted. Okay, and you know why? Why? Because your mom slept with your father's brother. And I was like, what?

28:57Ronnie Karam: What? So, uh, Shamia's like, cut the fuck out. That is so low. It's like, my mom was dating your father's brother. and pinky's like this sounds like we're in utah my mom was dating your father's brother so diane was dating shamiya's uncle yes so she's saying that um she was dating the uncle and then

29:25Ben Mandelker: shamiya's mom slept with him too that's that is what the allegation is yeah i'm just i mean i knew

29:34Ronnie Karam: that because i watched it but i'm just cracking up reading it all over again yeah pinky's like this sounds like we're in utah so shimmy goes my uncle which uncle and porsche goes oh really your mother slept with him you didn't want to know this it's like what's his name tell me which brother and phaedra's like um i wouldn't care if his name was jesus if you said my mom slept with one of my uncles i know that's a lie the correct response is absolutely not not which one

30:04Ben Mandelker: shmeet goes do you not know that everybody and their mom has told me about what that that you said that and then porsche's like i have not and i have never said nothing about you to no one they told me your glam said that you said oh she was on the show now and it's anything everything's off limits and we're not friends anymore we are co-workers girl no that's bullshit

30:27Ronnie Karam: what are you talking about well i mean if you came on the show and started a bunch of shit with her and she's upset and she tells her glam team well whatever then i guess we're just you know co-workers so all the rules are off i don't blame her but second of all what the fuck glam team isn't there like some kind of oath that you have to take where you don't just go tell everybody the things said to you while they're sitting in the chair that's not fair yeah but also it's crazy

30:56Ben Mandelker: that Shamia is being such a literalist about this. So again, to clarify, Shamia is saying that Portia told her glam team that she and Shamia are just co-workers now. They're not friends. And like, there's nothing is off-limits. It doesn't matter anymore. And so, I just can't believe Shamia is like, well, since nothing's off-limits, then I can say this thing about the moms. Oh, and by the way, send your daughter over to the house. after I've now like talked shit about you and your mom. Yeah.

31:30Ronnie Karam: And Portia's like, she's just trying to trigger me. And Shamia's saying, why would I lie? Why would I lie? She's like, what are you even talking about? You're the same one with the questions this last year. It's like the same. Oh, thank you. Oh my God. And Shamia goes, you're the same one too. Oh my God, Shamia, you're starting all of this and all you have are UR fights. That's her argument for everything. You're a snake. No, you're a snake. You're talking about the same things from last. No, you are. Oh, God, the you are fights.

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34:44Ronnie Karam: Pinky's like, wait a minute, I'm new to this. What's the real reason you're not friends? No, Pinky, no, watch the season. You know? So Shamia says, because she's a manipulator. And Portia's like, oh, please. She's nobody I would have near me, close to me as my friend, or any of that. Forget it. And Shamia's like, girl, you're such a puppet. Really? That's what you've been called for years. You are. You are a fighter.

35:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah. She goes, girl, goodbye. I don't want to hear from you. not at this point anyway. And Portia goes, I'm here. It does not matter. She's like, well, I don't want to be near you. I'm ready to go home. So she gathers her stuff and starts to head out. And Portia's like, for somebody that does the things that she's done, you're going to make a decision for yourself. So whatever. So Shamia just leaves and then she's in the hallway and she's like gathered her, she has like a garment bag for some reason, maybe it was from the store or her change of outfit, but I don't know why I thought it was funny that she just suddenly had a garment bag.

35:38Ben Mandelker: She sort of grabs it and there's like this little table lamp that's like wobbling afterwards like whoa and she's like fuck her fuck her and kelly's like i know because kelly follows her out to be a good friend and she was like i've been holding that shit in because i wanted to protect her which i always think is so funny when people say they want to protect someone but then they like air out like like a terrible family secret but i was

35:58Ronnie Karam: i was trying to protect you i was trying to protect her by saying that her mom tried to fuck my dad

36:09Ronnie Karam: um so shamia is crying and she's like she's not protecting me and you know like if she wants to like keep fucking talking then we can talk that ass i'm over it i've got shit on you too so fuck you you started it again you started it again and you lost and now you're crying and gonna be the victim so she goes you talk shit about me i've never done anything to you you literally just did so kelly is like you've been nothing but a good friend shamiya you are the best friend i still don't have to pay you around right i'm still good on that yeah seriously so shamiya

36:50Ben Mandelker: says bottom line porsha didn't want me here that's always been clear i love her because i was a true friend but i think that the love could only be reciprocated if i was only a friend of and i've made mistakes and I talk a lot. I own that. I own that. I talk a lot, but I never, not one time said anything ill about Portia to any of these ladies. And I'll put that on everything. Well, I'm sure she would say I'd never talked ill about Portia, but you most likely vent. She probably would say anything that was ill was just her venting and saying how she felt at the time. That's not the same as talking ill.

37:23Ronnie Karam: I think talking to everybody, telling everybody, you know, this girl's been blocking me from the show because she's so jealous and she just wants everything for it but that is talking shit about somebody i mean you don't have to call somebody that you know what i mean it is like you're you're saying she's not a good friend or a good person basically so but i also don't

37:43Ben Mandelker: think this is as like i don't think it's a fully one-way street i do think that there probably is like i think that being friends with porsche is hard it probably is exhausting and then i think that like shamia probably started like she was like okay i'm finally around people who also deal with portion different way and like she's probably like and like it all came out etc it probably was not she shouldn't have done that or she shouldn't have done that with people she doesn't know very well and like so if she was venting she should not have vented to people that are gonna are gonna basically weaponize that and that's essentially what happened with her and um i do think that Portia is probably, it's hard to be friends with someone who is such a big star like that.

38:24Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry. It really has got to be hard. And so I feel like I do hold space for Shamia just wanting to be seen as an equal in the friendship. But also ultimately, it still seems like she's so focused on her relationship in relation to Portia instead of just being like focusing on saying, you know what Portia will do her I'm gonna be me and I think everything that we've seen of Shamia this season her her whole vibe that she's trying to be really fun shot o 'clock is purely a reaction to Portia instead of her just being herself well she was doing that last season too she was but she really leaned into it more like even more like all of it even what she did last season it's still the same thing I think it's her trying to be like I'm as fun as Portia or like Whatever Portia says about me, look at me being fun.

39:17Ben Mandelker: But it's all in reference to Portia. And she's not just being who she is. Because, by the way, who she is is someone that we all as an audience really liked for many years on Atlanta. So she just has to know that she is Canuff.

39:34Ronnie Karam: Well, I mean, look.

39:35Ben Mandelker: She's Canuff.

39:36Ronnie Karam: He is saying, Portia is allegedly, was allegedly saying, you know, I don't want, you know, you don't belong as a real housewife. You should stay a friend of. I mean, at this point, I kind of agree. And to be like bringing all this shit up with Portia again, you're just retreading the same shit for the second year in a row. You're not friends. You haven't been friends. You don't hang out. Your kids don't hang out. You don't do anything. And you're still bringing this up. you're not even bringing it up like hey can we go for a walk here while we're in scotland and have a talk you're doing it at the dinner table in front of everybody to make a big scene you have nothing but you are and like your mama your mama's a whore or whatever you know she's insinuating and now she's crying like a victim i do i just don't i don't feel for her no she's got all the underlying stuff going on with shamiya like the husband stuff that's not great and i feel for her for that but this is just this is not it and i don't know what you were expecting going up against a porsche again in front you never win why are you doing it again it's just so embarrassing yeah and so porsche is at the table being like yeah she knows what she was

40:47Ben Mandelker: doing she's just trying to like trigger me and now the hell you're gonna say to me it's just a shame that you won't let polar come over and i would never hurt her bitch you would probably poison me you think i'm gonna let my child come over there

41:00Ronnie Karam: so shimmy is in the van crying now and she's like you know what she just wants it to be liked and she needs to be liked so bad because her life and this is a classic projection line by the way everything yeah she needs to be liked so bad because her home life and her family life's fucked up so she does shit that people can like her instead of being loyal and honest

41:24Ben Mandelker: i don't really see portia being someone who who tries to be liked i think she just is liked because she is just who she is i see portia as actually being someone who has diva moments that i think are actually incredibly unlikable at times and i think she's just someone who has opinions she says think she's funny so like she's more authentically herself and that's like Like, Portia now versus Portia her first season. I mean, people liked Portia her first season, but she's a totally different person. And I would argue that she leaned into just being herself as opposed to, like, the sweet homemaker that she was for Cordell that first season.

41:58Ronnie Karam: So it's really all about authenticity. Well, it's interesting that you point that out because Portia's first season with Cordell, she was just like, I'm just this good wife. And I just want to do whatever my husband wants. And my husband doesn't want me to do this, and I'm not going to do it. You guys want to go to a strip club? I'm not going to do that. my husband's not going to like that he's not going to approve and it's very uh it's kind of like a parallel of what shami is going through in a way i mean yeah not this you know not the purity thing of the husband but the i have to you know i have to have the kid for i have to have a son for my husband and i can't be in you know in acting because i can't kiss people for my husband it's kind of the same thing and i wouldn't really be surprised if it turns out the same way that Portia did where she goes, you know, she gets a divorce, then she comes into her own and she becomes a good person.

42:48Ronnie Karam: I don't know that she would ever achieve the same, you know, entertainment status as Portia. I don't know that she really has that in her, but it's interesting that she's kind of copying the same storyline. I'm not saying intentionally copying but she's you know her life is is mimicking that one yeah um so k michelle is

43:12Ben Mandelker: basically like look i don't want anyone in this group to feel like everyone hates them you know and cynthia is like well do you feel like any of the things that she's gone through in this group that she has brought on herself which is cynthia's way of saying like she's fucking annoying and i don't like her so maybe let's like maybe she deserves to be hated that's cynthia talk for

43:34Ronnie Karam: like i don't like the bitch anymore yeah i think it's clear that shamia fucked this one up again and it's been a whole trip of you know it's been multiple trips and cynthia just threw her trip well not multiple two but cynthia just had her dallas trip where you know shamia was like oh i can't even go in the room i'm gonna sit by the pool and not come to dinner because i cannot believe i've been treated like so yeah cynthia's had it dear yeah cynthia's over shamia for sure

44:02Ben Mandelker: so um yeah so then there's k michelle and pinky are talking about how it just feels like there's something heavy on shamia's chest like and k michelle says shamia's been holding so much in and she's been taking it on the chin and it probably was a relief for her to get that off her chest but it wasn't the time for that and so pinky's like do you think the friendship is done and portia's like yeah i mean did you hear what you said about my motherfucking mother

44:28Ronnie Karam: She's like, it's done And then Portia cements it By telling us, her and her mom are like Trash that you put out on Wednesday And hope that they pick it up on Thursday It's like, oh That's it You and your mother are both trash It's like the nail in the coffin of that Friendship So she's like, whatever, let her deal with her emotions And then we go back to the van And Shamit's like, I knew it was going to come to a head It was only a matter of time Oh my god, you did it

44:58Ben Mandelker: she goes that's a low down dirty bitch my mom slept with my dad's brother you're a fucking liar that's your motive you fucked everybody i'm like didn't you also just say that to portia your mom tried to sleep with my dad so like you're like wow how could she dare say that about my about my

45:17Ronnie Karam: mother you brought up her mother and her daughter and her ex in the same well the ex i should leave out of it you brought up her mother i'm just trying to make a three because i like trinity's very christian and you brought up a napkin you brought up coaster porn do you know how hard it is to watch coaster porn in texas i just want to watch someone move their drink on a raw table and get off on it okay uh so she's like yeah that's my family you know what i mean my parents have been married almost 50 years um you started it i mean the queen of you are fights i just edited it yelling at the tv you

45:57Ben Mandelker: started it yeah well i guess we'll see how this one goes but yeah fun times amazing to see this very humdrum episode just like come right to life with not just like a fun little spat at the end but like you know decades of of simmering uh distrust and frustration and uh acrimony bubbling to the

46:21Ronnie Karam: surface in scotland yeah good times well thank you everybody for being here this was a fun one um happy i don't know july 13th oh yeah we have crappy hour tonight by the way we have a happy hour tonight 5 30 pacific time and uh we're gonna jump on and do an amazon live as well uh so join us for that that's every monday at 1 30 pacific time and thanks so much for being here we'll talk to you guys next time bye watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors

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