# 3452: House of the Dragon S03E04: Smellicle Ball

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2:06Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Winter is Cropiting. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben over there. Hello, Ben. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Good. We were off last week, so we missed an episode of House of the Dragon. And it was a good one. This season has stayed pretty good. What do you think?

2:27Ben Mandelker: It's so good. I love this season. This is the first season of this show where I felt like I genuinely really am loving the show. I felt like, especially the first season, I did not like. Obviously, all that time jumping or the timeline skipping, it was just incredibly annoying. It's hard to get into the characters. It's hard to care about what was going on. Last season was definitely better, but it would still sometimes be a bit slow. So now what I really enjoy about this third season is that the stakes have been established and there's lots of different factions and groups that we're tracking.

3:06Ben Mandelker: And that was what I always felt made Game of Thrones so special was that you have this rich tapestry of people and houses and families all with their own motivations. And it was always so interesting to see the way they would all interweave and how one person's decision in one part of the story would actually have a huge ripple effect in this part of the story and would undermine plans and everything would go wrong. And I felt like, especially in the first season and somewhat in last season, we didn't really get that. And now I feel like the show feels like a complete show and it feels thorough and rich.

3:41Ben Mandelker: And as a result, I'm way more invested than I have been ever before.

3:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, I mean, I've loved it since the start, but I do definitely see what you're saying. And this season is the best. I mean, it's been so good. I love all the dragons. It's like massive dragon payoff, I feel like. I mean, this one we see mostly dead dragons. Okay, do you think Sunfire is dead or alive? He's got to be alive now, right? Is that what they're doing?

4:09Ben Mandelker: I think Sunfire is now alive. I think they just gave us breadcrumbs. I mean, I thought that Sunfire's eyeball was going to open up. I was like bracing for it Me too

4:19Ronnie Karam: So do you think the witch is going to bring the dragon back to life Or is it just in some kind of extended coma?

4:26Ben Mandelker: I'm not sure Is the witch going to make Aegon That first White Walker? Wasn't that a thing Back in season one Like oh my god Is Aegon going to become that White Walker That we all hate? The main White Walker? I don't think we ever found out who the main White Walker is but I wasn't there weren't there a lot of theories doesn't be a gun because wasn't there like a shot of a gun where you saw like a blue blue in his eye in his open like under his eye patch there was blue and everyone's like it's like the white walker maybe the witch is going to turn and like

4:57Ronnie Karam: turn him into the white walker oh well that would be good I don't know I fell for every theory of who the white walker was that it was bran or that it was now people are saying daemon or I don't know now but you know since this show's been on people have said maybe daemon's the why there's so many people that could be him that kind of look like him in a way yeah they show him i don't know who

5:20Ben Mandelker: it is george it's george bush i don't know either way it was um yeah it's it's been great i've also been so happy to see the show back in king's landing i feel like the show is just so much more interesting in king's landing than when it when they're in dragon stone i always feel like dragon stone is so dreary that goes for that was the same how i felt both in the original game of Thrones and this one. King's Landing is just like where it's at. There's more fun stuff happening. You're a city boy. I'm a city boy. Dragonstone is so blah. You're like, there's the Chili's

5:53Ronnie Karam: here. There's more than the Chili's here. There's like little mom and pop places that haven't been completely drowned.

6:02Ben Mandelker: I think the only places worse than Dragonstone are Winterfell. I'll say it. I think Winterfell sucks. I hate Winterfell. And then obviously the wall. The wall and north of the wall. The wall. Ugh, the worst. The wall is the worst. Every time we have to go north of the wall, we're going on another expedition north of the wall. I'm like, why? Why? It sucks up there. Just stay at the wall. Yeah, get me out of the wall.

6:30Ronnie Karam: And so last week we found out, God, so much has happened. I guess we don't have to go over the whole episode. Maybe we should just talk about it as this episode unfurls or what?

6:41Ben Mandelker: I think so. So we, on our main show, we did a sort of like wrap up of the week that was at Bravo when we were off on vacation. And we talked about last week's House of the Dragon. So you can definitely listen to some of it there. But the big takeaway from last week was that it was Ray Ray's first week as a serving queen. And like she had to deal with all the bureaucracy. And I love the episode because it was just people being like, we're out of candles. and then she was just like i just want to have a party can we have a party can i have can i have like some sort of like special moment a parade can we do like a like a ball drop is our andy cohen and anderson cooper around can we do like something for my coronation anything yeah but i did get

7:28Ronnie Karam: annoyed with her because okay you come back every there's rats everywhere because stupid agon killed all the rat catchers so there's rats everywhere the house is a mess like no one's cleaning all they're worrying about is taking down the old flags to put up the new flags it's like okay wow great and then the whole town's like broke no one's eating everybody's starving and she's like can i have a parade no you cannot have a parade and i say it's the same to our leaders like what are you doing having this massive parade when the economy is tanking and all and you're blowing everybody up and all this shit that's going on in the world.

8:06Ronnie Karam: And now you need a fucking parade, too? That's a billion dollars? No, Ray Ray, you don't get a fucking parade. Go to work. And I like that being basically ruler of the world is like being mayor. They're like, but people aren't returning to their library books sometimes. She's like, please, just give me a parade. It's like, this sucks. And every time someone comes into power here, you have to watch them go through all of the poor people. like, but someone's stealing my sheep. It's like, I don't give a fuck. I want a parade. I know.

8:36Ben Mandelker: They're like, we have an issue with the Starbucks on the corner of Westeros Avenue. They're always out of Caldry by 11 a.m. Could you please fund more beans for the Starbucks?

8:48Ronnie Karam: The McDonald's ice cream machine is always broken. How can that be?

8:54Ben Mandelker: Would it, perchance, would it be possible that when March comes around again, and you can ensure that there will be some Samrock shakes for the population.

9:04Ronnie Karam: Oh, the Samrock shake. Oh, my gosh. Can we? No one got the boardwalk piece. Is there even a boardwalk? Who even wins McDonald's Monopoly? Who wins?

9:19Ben Mandelker: All right. Small council, here's the plan. We shall throw a mighty parade, and as I walk through the streets, I will just throw Monopoly pieces out to the crowd. like, well, ma 'am, you can't do that. Then everyone wins pieces. McDonald's can certainly not afford to pay off all the small folk with little free cheeseburgers.

9:38Ronnie Karam: We've already got all the pieces except boardwalk. No one needs Pennsylvania Avenue again.

9:45Ben Mandelker: Mom, there is no boardwalk piece. We thought you'd figure this out by now. Are you serious? Yes, no boardwalk.

9:53Ronnie Karam: So we open this episode with this little rabbit. Like, look, standing up straight and looking around. And then we see it. Tumbleton. Which we hear a lot of. Tumbleton, Tumbleton, Tumbleton, Tumbleton. It's in your name. You're going to tumble. Know where it's named Tumbleton is going to last. You know? It's like naming your town disaster.

10:16Ben Mandelker: It's going to fall. Tumbleton, as far as I can remember, and as we all know, I occasionally have some gaps in my Westeros knowledge. But as far as I can remember, Tumbleton really has not been a major player in Game of Thrones or House of the Dragon. It's just been this – honestly, I hadn't even heard of it until recently. That's what I'm saying.

10:37Ronnie Karam: I think it falls because I don't think we hear a lot about Tumbleton, right? Oh, by the way, I think this is the part of the podcast we should say if you're new here, hi, welcome. This is not where you come for actual knowledge about anything.

10:49Ben Mandelker: This is where like non-Game of Thrones nerds, like two non-Game of Thrones nerds who watch the show come to discuss what they saw. Ronnie is a bit more versed than I am, but like we're just two people who watch the show. Okay. Because guess what? Like people who are not like hardcore George RR Martin fans also watch the show. And this is our takeaway.

11:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And actually I'm a huge Game of Thrones fan. The show. I've watched the show a couple times and then obviously this one a couple times. And I love them. But I'm also kind of a bimbo and don't remember a lot of things. And so I'm very surprised. And the whole time I'm watching the show, I'm searching stuff. Like, who is this again? And who is that again? Or they'll say somebody's name and I'm looking it up again. I'm like, oh, right. So that's where you are. So enjoy. So anyway, we're in Tumbledon and the soldiers, Darren, no, not Darren, Ormond, Ormond soldiers have taken over this town.

11:56Ronnie Karam: And not only do they take over the town, but they're kicking everyone. They're putting a soldier in each of the houses, which. Right. Look, who does that? Like, if you don't have, I get that they're doing it so that Rhaenyra can't just burn them all with the dragon. but you guys need to have tents or something like you can't this is my house yeah i yeah here's the

12:19Ben Mandelker: thing about tumbleton it's like you know this this town has already kind of it's been through a lot you know it's already has peaked in its time but there was a time when tumbleton was like the place to be it was like if you were if you lived in like king's landing you would weekend in tumbleton and it was like cute it was like going to the hamptons and they had like a nice little shop they may had Like whatever, whatever, like the, the, like the, the, they had like a, like a, what's it called a sweet green, maybe there was like a Lululemon, whatever the, like the West Rose version of it was like cute, but now it's like, not, you can see, it's just sort of like past its prime.

12:54Ben Mandelker: It's very dusty. It's very dusty, very plain people. They're looking kind of miserable. They're probably waiting for like a second coming of Tumbleton. This town does not need these soldiers coming in and just taking over homes. Like it's just, it's just, Tumbleton is just trying to survive, just trying to turn around its image, just trying to launch a tourism campaign. And now you got all these soldiers, all these high towers just taking over people's homes. It's just, it's, it's, it's hard. Yeah.

13:18Ronnie Karam: I feel like if one of, if I was one of those soldiers, I'd be like invade a better town. Yeah. Why are you putting me up here? This place sucks. Like there's one DQ. So they are basically forcing soldier, or forcing these families to take in soldiers and stuff. And so a soldier named Garrick comes to the home of Cat's brother, Hugh Hammer's wife is Cat. So we see Hugh Hammer, Cat is being well taken care of. Well, not well, I don't know, well taken care of. It's 1BQ, like I said.

13:53Ben Mandelker: So here's the thing with Cat. So Cat used to live in King's Landing and we saw more of Cat. Last season, Hugh and Cat had like a daughter who was sick the whole season and then the daughter finally, you know, she, she crossed over and, um, we saw a little bit of cat this season because basically when Ray Ray came back to King's landing, cat was like, you know what? I'm sick of this. I'm sick of, I'm sick of the city. It's too much. I'm going, I'm going out to the country. So she goes to Templeton thinking she'll be better off there. She moves in with her brother. And first thing that happens, high towers come and take over their house.

14:26Ben Mandelker: And, and specifically this guy, Garrick, who we know is bad news because he has a scar. And on this show, if you have a scar, that means you're going to be terrible.

14:33Ronnie Karam: yeah and the guy's already like oh look at you like doing that i'm kind of getting sick of well it's not like it never it's not like i ever liked it but the sexual assault stuff on this show is it's too much i mean that's my main note for the show is like every what is it every week come on guys dude like there needs to be something else that you can use to move the plot around besides sexually assaulting the ladies on the show.

15:02Ben Mandelker: There's also this show, this universe, has such a cynical view of people because anyone who is essentially an NPC or a day player on this show, everyone who's just a local in the woods just making their way through, everyone's just an asshole on this show. Every single person that they encounter just on a meadow or on a road. Everyone is out to do something terrible at all times. They're either going to try to take advantage of you or rob you or murder you. There's just no one who's chill and just pleasant. There's no one who's like, oh, hey, how's it going? Beautiful day. Okay, have a great journey.

15:44Ben Mandelker: Welcome to town.

15:45Ronnie Karam: Welcome to town. Hope you're comfortable here. Have you ever heard of Pilates? We do that now. Right down the street. Yeah, everyone is going to hurt you in some way on this show. So they force a soldier into this house, and he's like a really rapey, gross soldier, of course, because it's a Game of Thrones show. So then we go to Ullmond, and he has taken over, of course, like the mansion of the town, and he's like taking a bath in the master bedroom. Does he have like one of those trays on the bath where he's got something? he kind of looks like he's in one of those trees in the bath like yeah it's like oh i could have

16:26Ben Mandelker: my laptop in here what an luxurious bath like he's really living it up it's like one of those ai temu um ads like you could have this in your house like i just was served one that was like you can like last chance to buy a container swimming pool from temu and it was like literally a shipping container that was converted into a swimming pool and they had this ai image of it just like in someone's backyard. I was like, you cannot, what are you talking about? First of all, I doubt you can actually get this on Temu, but also like, why are you serving me these like crazy concoctions? And I kind of feel like that's what his vibe was sitting there in the bathtub, but he's there.

16:59Ben Mandelker: It's the footleys Lord and lady footley. This is their house. They're the reigning lords of Tumbleton and they've been displaced by Ormond and they're not happy about it whatsoever.

17:09Ronnie Karam: Now they're like, what the hell are you doing? Glad you're comfortable in our ancestral home. and he's like, deal with it. It's like, hi. Oh, you bent the knee to Pretender Rhaenyra Targaryen. Do you not, Lady Footley? You want a piece of me?

17:25Ben Mandelker: And she's like, you're sleeping in our bed, Amber. And he's like, well, suck it.

17:31Ronnie Karam: He's like, do you want me to prosecute you for treason? Because you'll be dead, Footley. And they're like, we don't want to fight, okay? And he's like, okay, then I get your house. Get the fuck out of here. so he kicks them out and well to well he doesn't just kick them out he stands up in the bathtub and we see his pasty little butt which is very well done sir yeah like whatever because one thing that they might have a crunch there but they have squats then the man does them and apparently a huge wiener to intimidate people with i honestly think lord footley was a little

18:06Ben Mandelker: turned on because lady footley she was like well we swall to the queen because she is the queen And that's when he stands up and is like, well, you'll look at my dick now. He's the queen now. Footley. And Lord Footley is like, ooh. He's like catching, he's like stealing some glances. Like, ooh. So he basically steps out naked in front of them and other people who are assembled in the room. And he's like, yeah, well, guess what? Here's my dick. Get out of my face.

18:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So he's saying basically he kicks him out. So then he's like, well, my child. And we see the Prince Darren, the real Prince Darren, because last week he had sent a decoy Darren home with Damon. And it was this little bleach blonde kid who was a nobody. But they were like, just bleach his hair and send him over and we'll trick Ray Ray. And they were tricked. And it turns out, of course, Ray Ray is now best friends again with Alicent. So Alicent came in and was like, yeah, that's not my son. I've barely seen him, but I can tell you that that is not his. It's not even blonde.

19:17Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And that's the thing. Because if you're wondering, how did she know? She tells Ray Ray, you know, remember when I was married to your dad? So I bore him two or three Targaryens. And I was like, that's it. So I made sure that the next one was definitely a Hightower. So I don't know how I was able to do that, but I was. So while we – Well, she just meant raised by the Hightowers.

19:41Ronnie Karam: Oh, raised by the Hightowers. Because, yeah, he's a Targaryen because he can control a dragon. He can have the dragon.

19:46Ben Mandelker: But he also has dark hair. Well, the question is whether – He has his mom's hair.

19:50Ronnie Karam: It looks like they made his hair out of his mom's wigs because it's like the exact same brown with some red in it. Yeah.

19:58Ben Mandelker: I think what we learned on our last episode is that the Targaryen blonde hair is usually passed down, but not always passed down, right? I think like regular hair. Or, like, I would not be surprised if we find out that Ormond is dyeing Daeron's hair. So that way he looks more like a Hightower, because as we find out later, Daeron is absolutely disgusted by the Targaryens. He has actually a very sanctimonious stance on the Tardarians, like a religious stance, because he's of the seven.

20:30Ronnie Karam: And I didn't even know they had hair dye back then, but they did bleach the other kid's hair. And they said, we blanched it. And so I guess, you know, I mean, Ormond, listen, they do a lot of like prissy things with Ormond where they're like, let's make him like he's obsessed with potpourri. Like later we see him like with a little home potpourri set that he's making his own potpourri or whatever. So they're making him like very like prissy. And so maybe he is just like really into the – he's like I can dye your hair. I can curl it. I can – Yeah. Ormond's now.

21:05Ben Mandelker: He's like a bath and body works girly. He likes some scents. He likes some good soaps. Like he's going to go for like a natural dye. He likes the body wax. Like he's waxed from head to toe, that guy. He definitely subscribes to the Goop newsletter, for sure.

21:20Ronnie Karam: Goop.

21:21Ben Mandelker: Yeah, he definitely does. That hair dye is like a natural crushed pine cone and resin mixture of some sort. He's got his vagina-scented candle or whatever. Because he hates odors. Yeah. Who doesn't?

21:39Ronnie Karam: Also, could you imagine living back in that time? Odors, like humans are gross. Odors in general can be just gross, but like humans, like we get the BO, the poop, like whatever. That must be a rough time because I don't think they had deodorant back then. They didn't. Right?

21:55Ben Mandelker: They definitely didn't. The small folk didn't. I'll tell you that much. You know that Templeton's reeks. It's very smelly in Templeton. All those people in their dirt-stained outfits.

22:07Ronnie Karam: I mean, the main family is called Footley. Yeah.

22:13Ben Mandelker: Stinky. The Footley is stinky.

22:15Ronnie Karam: It's like being in your family, you know?

22:18Ben Mandelker: I do have to say, like, the costume design on the show is really unparalleled. It's so amazing. I mean, the detailing on some of these leather jackets and everything. And even the, he puts on, Orman winds up, when he gets out of the bath, he's naked for a while. But then he eventually gets into this robe, which is kind of this amazing sort of bell-shaped thing. And I was like, someone had to actually, someone on this set of this show had to make that robe. and it was so well constructed and had such an interesting shape. It was like there's so much artistry in it. And there's also artistry in the footleys.

22:52The footleys were wearing this outfit that it's amazing how it can notice

22:57Ben Mandelker: that these are middle class or mid-tier lords, right? Like we see what the wealthy look like. We definitely see what the poor look like. And they're like, how do we fashion this world something that looks like it's more put together but definitely not as nice as – more put together than the small folk, not as nice as these, as the, as the high end people that we've been watching. I was like, perhaps the wardrobe department, because they are really doing a fantastic job with their costumes on this show.

23:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, they really do. I still love, um, um, what's his buns. Okay. Darren, who's the other, what is wrong with me? Damon. I love Damon's black Batman outfit. Yes.

23:38Ben Mandelker: It's amazing. That's what I was thinking about. Like, It's this amazing kind of leather work that they do. Yeah. It's stunning. So anyway, what we think is Orman's, as you mentioned, Darren, you think all this time that Darren is just like the servant or something, but it turns out it's Darren. And then Sir Bold John Roxton enters. And for those who don't remember, like me, He is head of House Roxton and has a Valyrian steel sword called Orphan Maker. How about that?

24:11Ronnie Karam: That's a rough sword name. Orphan Maker. Little girls, little girls everywhere at certain I can see them. So he's like, my lord, a raven from Storm's End, carrying more excuses from Lord Boros Blantheon. and um what's what's barantheon bitching at i guess there was some issue

24:41Ben Mandelker: there's some issue with the barantheons right now i don't remember what the barantheons are

24:46Ronnie Karam: up to these days well they're basically we're waiting for aemon to come with vegar because the plan was you take over this town ray ray can't burn the town vegar comes and we kill a bunch of fucking people vegar can't come because eamond was stabbed by the witch uh alice well no he was no he was he was no he was stabbed by the other guy yeah one of the strong brother yeah one of the strongest kids stabbed his ass before he killed or as he was in the process of killing that whole family stabbed him right in the muffin top and then alice just merely watched and was creepy

25:22Ben Mandelker: as usual. Yeah. I was just watching, came in after, was like,

25:26Ronnie Karam: hello, do I win now? Like, congrats, now you get Harrenhal, it's burnt to a crisp.

25:32Ben Mandelker: She's like, oh, I see that I now have you for a whole season where you're gonna have to walk around this stupid castle getting haunted by my visions. Enjoy the next 13 weeks of your life, America.

25:43Ronnie Karam: I know. Another white blonde male sent to me for dreams. I'm so glad that they haven't had really long episodes of Eamon dreams that she's forcing on him.

25:56Ben Mandelker: Oh, I wonder if next week we'll see Eamon lying in bed, waking up and seeing a light under his door and seeing footsteps out there and then drawing his sword and opening the door and no one's out there. I wonder. Yeah. Because that's basically all of last season for Daemon. Yeah, it was a lot of dreams. Daemon's season last year was, who's there? No. But great, thanks. Thanks for showing us the scene. It's time for a commercial.

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28:18Ronnie Karam: so then we go to ray ray and she's like why would they even take templeton it's not a stronghold i mean why would you do that it's a market it's a 1dq town why it's poorly defended i mean what the hell are they doing over there and they're like well uh they don't want you to burn it and they know you're not gonna burn all of the people who are loyal to you so they kind of took it over dumbass i feel like ray ray's getting a little dumber she's like she's like sort of not quite

28:49Ben Mandelker: connecting things as well anymore i think that maybe she really needed that coronation i think

28:53Ronnie Karam: it's really distracting her well one thing that nobody on this show has is training to be the king and that's what's funny about it like they're all they all want it so bad but they get there and they're like i don't know how to fucking do this i mean the last time it was egg on and he was like a kid. He didn't know shit. He was just like, I'm going to go bang a bunch of hookers. They don't really know. It's like parenthood. It doesn't come with a handbook. Am I right?

29:20Ben Mandelker: That's what I always say with this show. Orwell is

29:22Ronnie Karam: like, hey,

29:25Ben Mandelker: I still don't know if anyone actually likes me around here, but Prince Damon's river host marches to King's Landing, and Tumbleton's really not that much further. It's really just a day trip. An hour and a half, two, if there's traffic. Maybe his river house should go there instead and mazaria's like it would not be bloodless but it would be far more

29:45Ronnie Karam: merciful than sending dragons yeah and she's like okay so then okay then we'll just march on the town and then you guys go in and you grab the people out of there and you just kill each soldier one by one i mean that's still bloodshed but it is better than just going and burning everybody

30:04Ben Mandelker: but it's also like i just love that this is like a bombshell idea for her like well these soldiers have taken over a town and they moved into people's houses like what if we go in there and take them out of the houses she literally goes that's a good scheme it's like it's not really a scheme but it's like it's like oh our ceiling is leaking like what if

30:26Ronnie Karam: we patch it yeah it's like brilliant yeah i'm thirsty what if i had some water oh my god the

30:34Ben Mandelker: scheming the scheming you're doing all while i always knew you had it in you all while you are

30:41Ronnie Karam: now on this council that's one thing i miss about dragonstone is that there were people there i mean there were a bunch of dicks as usual but at least there were people this is sort of depressing watching Grey Ray trying to run the country with just herself and Miseria. I mean, yeah, Messaria. And who else? Now there's Orwell there, at least. She got rid of everybody.

31:05Ben Mandelker: I know, but I felt like the council of Dragonstone was so worthless. It was just a bunch of old doddering guys who were just undermining her at all time. But they all were kind of interchangeable. Here we have at least real characters that we care about. And they have motivation. so we're like invested in the back and forth but those guys that drag us on them just like they were just cookie cutter underminers you know yeah i'm glad i'm glad that she ditched them i just want to say that's something that happened last week she's like fuck them

31:32Ronnie Karam: yeah you're all fired she pulled the joan crawford in there so now uh i'm sorry is like in the meantime we have urgent matters at home we have secured some small store of oil she's like oh my god i'm so bored give me a parade jesus christ what this council there's not enough people in here needs more old people bitching at me can we just go outside and get some old people to bitch

32:00Ben Mandelker: at me please she's like where is my hand she's like it is attached to your arm she's like i know that hand well we never know with you you're a little bit slow on the uptake these days

32:10Ronnie Karam: so follow miseria's like name a master of coin because then if you have somebody in charge of money, then all the poor people would bid at the person who's in charge of the money instead of you. And she's like, what a scheme. Thank you. You did it. You've done it. You schema.

32:29Ben Mandelker: So they're going to have Sir Torrin Manderly be the master of coin. And for those who don't remember who he is, last week, one of the stunts that Rhaenyra pulled off that was quite fun was that she invited all the wealthy people to the castle for a banquet. And they're all excited. They're like, we love you, Ray Ray. And we always have. We just said it silently and to ourselves and never out loud. And also said that we liked the other person instead. But you get it. And she's like, yes, yes, yes.

32:56Ronnie Karam: We only have the high tower flag and the rules. On the back it says, Ray Ray. Ray Ray for life. And also she was mad at them because she found out that all the rich people were hoarding the food because there was a blockade. So the rich people hoarded all the food and kept it from the poor people to feed their own families. So Ray Ray is like, I'll have a party and I'll invite every rich person. You know, she's always, and granted, she's going through a lot, but she's always like on the verge of tears. Everything that happens, Ray Ray is always like, I will have a party. Invite everybody to the party.

33:34Ronnie Karam: So they all come and she serves them all rats.

33:38Ben Mandelker: And they're like, what are you doing? what is this a mistake she goes because you are hoarding money you guys all sent send your money to to the crown okay yeah that's we're gonna we're gonna write the wrongs here eat the rich so um but but when she did that she walked as she started to walk out there was this torn manderley was sort of standing off to the side and holding a goblet and he was like very amused by the stunt and he's like good job it almost makes you forget that you're the one who started the blockade in

34:07Ronnie Karam: first place and so she's like whatever so it's like you saucy little queen okay hire that guy

34:13Ben Mandelker: for master of coin we could use some meditation it looks like he'll be fun i feel like we can

34:18Ronnie Karam: kiki after the small council so then we go to alicent and ray ray um uh out in the galtwood and so um alicent's like well i i don't really know him like sorry i can't really give you a whole lot of advice on Ormond because, or no, my son, sorry. She's like, I can't really give you a lot of advice on Daemon because I don't even know him. Wait, are they talking about Ormond of the sun? Oh yeah. We're talking about Ormond. Yeah. So Rai-Rai's like, well, you know, your son is being raised by him. So you would think you would know something. She's like, this is House of the Dragon. Why would I know anything about my children?

34:57Ben Mandelker: So Alton is like, okay, I mean, this is what I know about my brother. I mean, he sees himself as a scholar. He studies histories. He collects tapestries, writes ballads, despises the ignorant and uncouth. I mean, there's no other way to say it. He's incredibly gay. He's super, super, super gay. If I have to hear him tell me once more about how the results of lip syncing for his life did not work out for the right person. Like, I don't know. I don't know who these people are. I don't have cable. I don't watch Drag Race.

35:28Ronnie Karam: he's a little bitchy but he's very you know it's just hiding a very soft spot under him like okay all right all right we get it guys we get it um so she says yeah when we were growing up Gawain thought him cruel but you know Gawain did think that of many

35:47Ben Mandelker: Gawain he's a pussy himself as well we're just we're just really uh we were we really had issues with our father what what can I say so um Um, basically, uh, Alison's like, yeah, I don't know how his relationship is with my son. You know, like my son was like one when, when Ormond took him, but, uh, that's it. And Ray Ray is like, you do know that I would have, I would have, I would have spared him. Right. And Alison was like, oh, well, in that case, I'll tell you this much. Ormond hates bad smelling things. There, go take it.

36:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I like that. So Ray Ray's going to have to come up with a big stink bomb or something to get Ormond out of there, which I think is really funny. She's like, all right, where do we let's just plant a large fart on the town and we'll root out the army. It's going to be something like that. It's going to be so silly. Yeah, it's going to be dumb and I can't wait to see what it is. But I like here that Allison's like, oh, Jesus Christ, you know, God forbid I don't raise one of my children. And now everybody's judging me. Sorry. Okay. I've had a lot of kids. I got tired of having the kids around, so I sent him away.

36:58Ronnie Karam: What the fuck do you want from me? It's called being a good mother. Have you seen how the kids who were raised with me turned out? They're a bunch of dicks.

37:07Ben Mandelker: So now we have Alan. Good old Alan's going up to Corliss because Corliss is on a horse. He's mad. Corlys is angry at Ray Ray because last week, while everyone was putting in requests for what they want, Corlys is like, by the way, so I never acknowledged these two guys, Adam and Alan, but I've decided now I'll be the dad to them. And so they should be Valyrians. So could you make that happen? And she's like, um, no. She's like, people are already mad that I have Ulf up there on a dragon. I just can't keep like make making people royals now. Now, of course it's fucked up because they are owed that.

37:53Ben Mandelker: But she's like, I, she's like, I don't, she becomes very bureaucratic. And she's like, I can't do this for you, which I felt like Ray Ray would have done it. And I don't know. I feel like that was a very writerly thing to have her say no, but either way now Corliss is pissed.

38:06Ronnie Karam: Well, look, first off Corliss, give her a minute. You know what I mean? Like he just got there and you're immediately coming in with all of these requests, pretty big ones. And you abandoned those kids and treated them like shit their whole life. And now that you've lost everything and you need them, you're suddenly like, why isn't everybody suddenly jumping on the band? And I think you're right. I mean, he did give up a lot in the war, but it's not like you would be on the Hightower side anyway at this point. And I don't know. I got kind of mad at him. And he's like, your sons are bastards. This son, all your dead sons are bastards.

38:45Ronnie Karam: She's like, seriously? Now? She's like, you only just acknowledge your sons. Yeah, but now's not the time to make an enemy really either, Ray Ray. And you're already in the shitter. So why not? You've already got people. Well, she doesn't know people. She doesn't know yet that people are spray painting bitch all over the town. But like you've already got people not incredibly on your side. So now just do just start with the bad. Just start with. Yeah, I mean, I think.

39:10Ben Mandelker: I think this was an easy lift for her. She could have done this. She could have knighted Adam, added him of Valeria instead of added him of Hull. And so Corliss has really given a lot and has made a lot of sacrifices. It's just to me, it's so funny. Corliss all of a sudden is now trying to make up for years and years of being a bad dad to these people by making this grand gesture. And it's like, you didn't even acknowledge these two guys for the longest time like when we watch summer house

39:43Ronnie Karam: impression with your kids take them to putt putt you know what i mean like you need to do smaller

39:48Ben Mandelker: things a weekend in tumbleton you know they've got a they've got a beer garden there yeah but

39:54Ronnie Karam: on the other hand like our the way we do it in our country it's like oh you know you you gave me $20 for my campaign 10 years ago so boom you're the ambassador to the Netherlands or whatever

40:08Ben Mandelker: I think maybe this is actually a little bit of a failing of the showrunners of this because they needed to build in a little bit more that it would be really shitty to like or that she is receiving more like a lot of flack for the fact that she has like Ulf and Hugh and Adam on her dragons. That's not a very strong sentiment. So to us watching, we're like, why is this a big issue for her? Who cares? You're the queen. You say they're Valerians. That's just what they are and that's it. And even this week, when some people are spray painting, like the queen of bastards, I'm like, really? The bastards?

40:48Ben Mandelker: That's your biggest issue? Small folk? This lady is giving you some food and now you're going to complain that, oh, wow, there's some bastards. Tell me how many bastards are in King's Landing okay I'm sick of this hypocrisy about the bastards but they didn't really build up like that it was they didn't really establish that this was a very big deal so then when Corliss asked for it and she's like I can't do it because I don't want to be seen as like being super pro bastard I was like this is where we draw the line now all of a sudden by the way you're also married to your uncle

41:21Ronnie Karam: yeah exactly and your family line And your nieces and nephews are literally married to each other too. So, yeah, but it's the kind of moralization they do on this show. I kind of would like her to just stand up and be like, yeah, I am queen of the bastards. Fuck all y 'all. At least I make an effort. It's like anti-Nepo baby. Also, what was I going to say? I forgot.

41:49Ben Mandelker: Well, it reminds me of this past season of Summer House, if I may. I'll write it down. Oh, wait, why don't you, before I go on a somehow tangent, why don't you say what you were going to say? So sorry.

42:00Ronnie Karam: Socialist. Oh, I wrote it down, but then I was going to say it. Yes, because they're setting her up to be like the super liberal party that, like in modern day, people would be like, you socialists. You know, like feeding the rats to the, feeding the rats to the rich. Yay. And then she's fighting the religion, and the religion's like, you don't want to mess with us, or we'll take you down. And then they've got the big stars everywhere that Allison had installed. And so they're kind of setting it up to be our version of conservative versus liberal. And she's supposed to be the big liberal family who's going to do all this stuff.

42:38Ronnie Karam: And then she's like, um, bastards? No. So, yeah, it does seem a little out of character.

42:44Ben Mandelker: And Corliss does have a line where he says, like, why don't you say the real reason why you don't want to say that they're Valerian? which is the first in my, the way I interpreted, sorry, I've got like a bubble in my throat, but when, when he said that I, maybe this was me, but I kind of interpreted as like, is it because like we're darker skinned? Like, I kind of wondered if there was like a race element that was sort of fueling that comment because it's actually something that's not really addressed on this show. Uh, because maybe in this world, it isn't an issue, which would be wonderful in the real in our world um but i started to wonder like oh was that like a little note of that there or was it something else was i bringing our world's stuff into this fake world but um in terms of my less weighty comment about summer house the thing with corliss suddenly being like oh wait no everyone has to drop everything because i've decided i like recognize my sons it reminds me of this last season of summer house when ben is on there and he's like oh i'm single i'm single i'm single i'm single and then all of a sudden he's like i realize i really love sabrina bell and now everyone has to move everything around to accommodate the fact that we were in love with each other and you can't say anything negative and you can't say this you can't say that you can't say make this joke make that joke because now we're in love it's like whoa whoa whoa suddenly you're just like in love out of nowhere when you were acting like she didn't even exist five seconds ago give us some time to catch

44:07Ronnie Karam: up okay yeah yeah you take us in slowly but you know he did just watch his whole house burn to the ground last week and then his son saved his life then the other son's riding a dragon so like he does have a point but i think he has a point with rene rhaenyra but he's still obnoxious as like an abandoned abandoning father you know yeah so how many things are true at one time look at that so anyway he's talking to his son his kids like um alan is like uh you need the queen has requested you he's like fuck that fuck her i'm out of here i'm going to do some other

44:48Ben Mandelker: shit like what are you gonna do fight the triarchy again yes i'm gonna fight the triarchy it's like all right so yeah he's gonna go off he's like there's no what's the point of me look i'm a navy guy. I'm not a council guy. I'm just going to go off and do something. You guys don't need me anymore. You can represent me now.

45:09Ronnie Karam: He's like, I'm a man of the sea, so you go do it. And Alan's like, damn. Okay, I don't know what I'm doing. And he's like, well, I cannot give you legitimacy, but I can give you the chance to better yourself while I leave you again to go sail around doing God knows what.

45:25Ben Mandelker: Bye. You know, triarchy etc etc so then um uh now we see aegon and larys um by the way i think earlier i i referenced aegon potentially being that i don't remember if i said aegon or aemon but when i said the white walker thing that was about aemond not aegon oh that's that's yeah i'd heard the aemon thing i hadn't heard the egg on thing but then now i've been thinking about it this whole recap

45:51Ronnie Karam: No. Like, maybe he is. No, I think it's going to be Aemond. Sorry, everyone. Sorry. So now we get this Aegon and, well, like, Glodon, Hlarus. Yeah. So they walk around and they see the supposedly dead dragon. But we've seen another dragon, and that dragon was dead, and it was all decomposed. Was this Macerys? What was the dragon, the other dragon we saw that was dead today?

46:20Ben Mandelker: you know i never really remember the dragon names i know sunfire i remember because like it's just as everyone else has like it's like vega maximus notorious sunfire so um

46:40Ronnie Karam: so sunfire is laying there dead and we get this big shot of sunfire and sunfire is not decomposing and there's knot flies all over it. So we're thinking it's not dead, but wouldn't it be breathing? I mean, a dragon breath seems like it would be huge because dragons are huge. So I would think if it was alive that we'd be able to tell. So I guess that the witch is going to bring this dragon back to life. That's my guess because it's pretty intact.

47:07Ben Mandelker: But by the way, this is like the second dragon, the first of two dragons that we see lying around dead because later on they go to Rook's Rest and there's another dragon just lying on that one.

47:15Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's what I was saying.

47:16Ben Mandelker: like which is that dragons we see they're not decomposing very quickly that's for sure well that other dragon was a lot worse didn't have flies and stuff yeah i don't maybe it's because

47:29Ronnie Karam: it had more open wounds but then sunfire had open wounds too because it got bit and clawed in the

47:33Ben Mandelker: chest right yeah i mean maybe maybe so it turns out that sunfire is being uh exploited by some locals it's like some james cromwell types who are like charging a few like coins to go like touch the dragon so maybe they're like spraying it down.

47:48Ronnie Karam: They're paying for like a touch of the dragon. Are you serious? You're pimping out a dead dragon? Like where are the morals on this show? That's terrible.

47:56Ben Mandelker: It's terrible what they do. Absolutely terrible and also like they just have to how often are people coming around to touch the dragon? They're just sitting there waiting for someone to come and they get a coin geez. Also like I would be like okay I'm not gonna I'm not gonna touch the dragon sorry no sale here and then when they're not looking and just go to the other side of the dragon and just like touch it because they wouldn't be able to see me yeah and talk about a show that has

48:18Ronnie Karam: some nasty smells like who is camping out right next to a gigantic dead animal who does that

48:28Ben Mandelker: an entrepreneur does it he's like it's a penny to touch the dragon nothing free in these woods he can sit in the saddle for half go like nothing's free in these woods how about a branch I think those are free, sir.

48:41Ronnie Karam: And then Laris, not, you know, Laris is one of the smartest people on the show, but he does some stupid things like this. He whips out his whole purse. He's like, jingle, jingle, jingle, jingle, jingle. It's like your auntie's coming over. You know, it's like jingle, jingle and starts like rummaging through the coin purse. And it's like, here's one little coin to touch. He's like, oh, wow, nice purse. Okay, two coins then. He's like, okay, here's two. And he's like, ooh, look at all those coins. So, you know, obviously they want to attack them. And meanwhile, Aegon is, you know, on the dragon, like, my baby!

49:16Ronnie Karam: You know, he's like holding its head. He's like, your daddy's here now. Because, you know, it's his dead dragon. So he's like upset and crying over it. He's like, he's alive. Sunfire's alive. He's like, he's not alive. He's dead. Come on, let's get a move on here. He's like, no, he's alive. I feel it.

49:32Ben Mandelker: yeah it seemed like for a moment this this uh guy on this this this this asshole on the path was going to kill them but i think he was just sort of so weirded out by by uh aeon he was like you guys can go because we don't really see how that resolves we just know the next time we see them they're not there anymore i like that this show it's like we're gonna rob and rape everyone

49:53Ronnie Karam: oh my god a man's crying okay just just go just get out of here get out of here who is this someone

49:59Ben Mandelker: soft like armond armond's like but seriously madonna has a new album out it's really good

50:05Ronnie Karam: so uh he's like it's sponsored by grinder so so then we go to kristen cole and uh oh god this fucking guy jesus so they go to her and heron hall of course is a total shithole now because it's been burned to the ground for like the 10th time in history they had just started to make it

50:26Ben Mandelker: nice again and then freaking aemond and his dragon vegar come and like perch on like the under the balcony totally you know not even not even honoring the uh the weight limits and of course everything's destroyed and burned down and crumbled oh yeah and that dragon vegar

50:45Ronnie Karam: just came through there knocking down the columns and everything like the load-bearing walls everything so that place is just shit so they come in and um we hear alice she's like are you lost. They're like, where's the boss of this place? She's like, dead. Well, who succeeds them? Dead. So who succeeds them? Dead. They're all dead. I mean, do you want to just keep playing this game? Dead, dead, dead, dead. I win. What do I get?

51:13Ben Mandelker: So, Elle, they're like, so who are you? She's like, well, I'm a steward of salt. It's the best you can do at the moment. Like, you're a witch, aren't you? Ah. Is that that obvious? Well, you're kind of creepy and alone in a place that no one would want to live.

51:28Ronnie Karam: And we're great. She's like, they're telling her, so where is Eamon? She's like, I don't know. Could you describe him? Is he a blonde white man? Sorry, never seen one of those here.

51:44Ben Mandelker: Does he look like someone who might be very impressed and awed by a dinosaur?

51:54Ben Mandelker: But also might be part of a women's group in Northern California with like a Reese Witherspoon type or a Nicole Kidman type. Like, that does sound like him.

52:07Ronnie Karam: Haven't seen him. I don't know where he is. Does he have long flowing hair the color of corn silk? That's him. Nope. I haven't seen him. Have you seen a guy that looks just like Laura Dern coming through here?

52:26Ben Mandelker: I'm I'm afraid I don't know who that is You're wearing a t-shirt That has Lord Dern on it from Twin Peaks Oh, so I am I call her Diane

52:39Ronnie Karam: So she's like, oh, right Lord Dern, Lord Dern, thank you Okay, he sees the castle after Prince Daemon Abandoned it, but when he learned that Rhaenyra took his King Landing, his dragon Fled, and they're like, what? Rhae Rhae took King's Landing? God damn it It's like, oh, you didn't know.

52:57Ben Mandelker: Like, well, I guess we'll stay here. So now we see Kristen and Gwaine are just at that table eating food. And a soldier tells them, like, so we've been looking around and we have not, you know, there does seem to be a dragon's nest, but we haven't seen the dragon. We think the dragon has left. I'm like, could you look on the other side of the castle? This dragon is clearly just like hiding in a corner, right?

53:21Ronnie Karam: Vhagar's pretty big though. So where the fuck is Vhagar? Maybe just flying around. I mean, I don't know.

53:27Ben Mandelker: Maybe the witch transformed Vhagar.

53:29Ronnie Karam: Was it?

53:31Ben Mandelker: Maybe the witch transformed Vhagar. I don't know the extent of the witch's powers and what the witch can do. Oh, I don't think you can transform Vhagar.

53:38Ronnie Karam: But I don't know. You know Eamon's just in the basement somewhere. Maybe he told Vhagar just to go, I don't know, go take a break somewhere. So we don't know where he is yet. And Gwaine's like, um, hi, we need to get the fuck out of here. the war is lost i want to go home and cole's like emid would not decide me he's like oh for christ's sake he's like oh what are you just was this just a war to you this wasn't about more this wasn't about you being dumped and then spending the rest of your life bringing death and misery upon everybody you meet because you didn't get the woman you want like oh wow very more you know

54:15Ben Mandelker: very strong morals over there. Cool. Yeah, seriously. So Cole's like, okay, well, since we've been abandoned and we've done all this work, fuck it. Let's just go down by being petty. Why don't we change our vibe to let's skulk around at night and attack people and like, like ninjas and it'll be hilarious. Yeah. But that's like,

54:39Ronnie Karam: well, finally we can fight without dragons, just like men are made to fight. Don't you have a fucking shield to paint?

54:47Ben Mandelker: Gwaine's like, but why? He's like, because it'll be fun. But it's not going to impact anything. But it'll slow things down. It'll be fun. Let's do it. Let's hide behind trees and attack people.

54:59Ronnie Karam: He's like, yeah, it's man to man. This is what guys do when they get dumped.

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57:36Ben Mandelker: Question, Ronnie. Is Cole like of the same religious order of Allison? He sort of like, he veered in that direction after everything that happened with Ray Ray, because that would make sense. I feel like I had not fully grasped sort of like the religious tenets of the Star Recept or whatever, the seven, until really this episode or last episode. I didn't realize how much there was like this thing about dragons are, are like sacrilegious or like satanic or whatever. Satanic and the Targaryens are really just like filth.

58:12Ronnie Karam: And they haven't really played into the whole Alicent being a zealot, but they kind of hint like her character doesn't seem like she's that much of a zealot. But I think that that's the point is that Alicent's like this big zealot because when she took over the castle, there were suddenly the stars everywhere. Like they're in the windows and stuff like that. So I guess she remodeled it and was like, we are putting crucifixes everywhere. And that's it. And it's like, she's very moral. And then Cole in the first season, he was like, oh yeah, I'm going to hook up with this kid, Rhaenyra. But then the second that she wouldn't run away and give up everything to like go be his little wifey somewhere, he was pissed and then turned on her and became like a huge like zealot.

58:58Ronnie Karam: He basically joined the atmosphere. But you got, yeah, basically. But you got to love it because they're these huge religious zealots, but they are having this crazy affair that they're not supposed to be having. Of course. Typical hypocrites.

59:12Ben Mandelker: I think that it adds an interesting dimension to his character and his whole relationship. And so it's like, okay, this is another reason why he doesn't like Rae Rae because he joined a religion that actually says, oh, the Targaryens are crazy and they're heathens. So now it's like, oh, I was rejected, but it's like I'm for the better because I was courting a crazy person, an awful person.

59:34Ronnie Karam: I'm actually superior. I don't know that he clings to the religion as much as Alicent, but I think his big thing is the dragon, like the dragon thing in general. And also I think to him the dragons represent Ray Ray because she's the first one that ever dumped him and he's never going to let that go. And Ray Ray is a dragon lady. So he's like, oh, dragons.

59:57Ben Mandelker: And he's like trained. He's like, he's like, he's trained in the art of warfare. And then you just have these big things of destruction that like are almost unfair. They're like these cheats. And now it's like, ah, now I can actually show people that I'm a good soldier and I'm amazing. It's like this very weak, insecure male thing going on with him. So he's decided that, like, you know what? We're going to cling to our honor unless we become beasts ourselves, as if he has not already become a beast 10 times over on this show. Yeah.

1:00:29Ronnie Karam: So then Alan.

1:00:30Ben Mandelker: He punched a gay earlier. Don't forget that he beat up a gay in the first season.

1:00:34Ronnie Karam: Huge homophobe, this fucking guy. Yeah. Yeah. Corliss's first son. His son that he did not abandon or whatever.

1:00:47Ben Mandelker: who is still alive somewhere, by the way, one hopes. Yeah. Remember, he faked his death.

1:00:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Ray Ray helped him fake his death

1:00:55Ben Mandelker: to get him out of there. Hmm? He's having a great life. He went off to like, didn't he go off to what's it called? The place where the old bank?

1:01:05Ben Mandelker: Not Davos. I think. Is it Davos? He basically went to the place where they went to on Game of Thrones, where the bank is, and it's like, it's so nice. It's like such a nice city, and we never get to spend any time there. Yeah.

1:01:18Ronnie Karam: She's like, go. Go with the Geza.

1:01:22Ben Mandelker: Davos. I'm going to look up. I don't remember where it was. Where is the bank in Westeros? Where's the bank? It's Braavos. I said Davos. I think Davos is the card. Oh, Braavos. Braavos. Braavos. Well, that should be the easiest one for us to remember. I could be wrong, though. I could be completely wrong. You know me, guys. That's not where the sun went. He went to Dorne. Which I love. Yeah. There's too many places.

1:01:48Ronnie Karam: So now we go to King's Landing. Ray Ray has uncovered her dad's artwork. You know, the old Valeria that he was building. His model plane. His model town building or whatever that he was obsessed with. And so Alan comes to see her. And she's like, this is old Valeria. And I look at it because it's a reminder. The dynasty is far. Yeah. Pretty much. So they have a talk. and he's like, you know, my dad's being kind of a dick, but, you know, there is a war and that'll make him happy because he's a soldier. You know how they go. And she's like, fathers, they're just so difficult to deal with, aren't they?

1:02:26Ronnie Karam: And so they bond over daddy issues and then they see that there's rats all over this model, like hanging out in the center square of this little model, Valeria. And she's like, oh my God, these rats, they're incessant. And he's like, well, on board ship, We just keep cats.

1:02:44Ben Mandelker: And she's like, huh. She's like, cats, you say? What a scheme.

1:02:50Ronnie Karam: What a scheme you've come up with.

1:02:53Ben Mandelker: Now, what is a cat exactly? They're like, you know dogs? Yes. You know how those are dogs and then cats. And people are like team dog, team cat. Not following. So you know the dogs that are like dogs, but they're not dogs because they have little claws and long tails and their little cute ears? Mm-hmm. Those are called cats. I'm not sure I think I need some more explanation Orwell, can we get Orwell in here? He's a good schemer He might be able to explain this cat concept to me

1:03:25Ronnie Karam: Not ringing a bell Oh cats, yes Ormond won't stop listening to it I've heard

1:03:34Ben Mandelker: Oh yes He's making everyone gather in the center of Tumbleton To do the Jellicle ball Oh, it's insufferable.

1:03:41Ronnie Karam: So now we go to Aegon and Larys, and they're now walking the ruins of Rook's Rest. And this is where we see the other dead dragon. Right. And this one's way worse off. And people are just kind of going about their business as much as you can when there's a giant smoking dead dragon dead in the middle of the town.

1:04:05Ben Mandelker: Yes. Yeah. And so they're there. And once again, they have a very simple task, which is be chill and blend in, which, of course, Eamon does like, I'm the king, everyone. It was like, shut up. Yeah. Eamon, sorry, everyone. I don't know why I'm doing it. We literally have notes in front of us, and I can literally see that it says Eamon. It literally says Eamon in front of my eyeballs, and I'm saying Eamon for Eamon and Eamon for Eamon. I apologize.

1:04:31Ronnie Karam: does well also what i love that they keep doing with him is they're like okay let's make let's put agon in kind of a disguise we'll put him in a hood to hide his blonde hair but every single scene he has that one little thing of blonde hair coming out the front of his every single like put the man in a ponytail for christ's sake do you want to be discovered so this is a very typical tropey thing where they have to go to the town and pretend that they're poor and then he has to go clean the toilets or he's gonna die like the the head gangster running the town is gonna kill him and so he has to like suck it up and go clean toilets like okay all right so he's gonna have that storyline i guess for a couple of episodes and then um we go back to cat and this is where the soldier is like, oh, now I'm gonna get rapey with Kat.

1:05:27Ben Mandelker: Yeah, so they're like in the kitchen. It's like a domestic scene. It's like an Ibsen play. And he's like, I wanna examine the goods. So he like goes and he makes like, he goes to grab Kat, but then like Leo's wife is like, don't touch her! Take your hands off her! She has like a rolling pin or something like that, but then he like slaps her away, slaps Kat or slaps the woman. rolling pin and like knocks and breaks her arm. Oh yeah. Damn. So then it's a whole, it's a whole drama obviously. Cause if, and we knew this was going to happen and they're like, get your hands off more brother, you heart.

1:06:02Ben Mandelker: And so then we go back to Ray Ray who's staring at a map and he walks in and he was like, sir, you hammer your grace. Ah, sir, you have you heard of cats? Do you know how we could use them? Well, because I love them.

1:06:23Ronnie Karam: God damn it. All right. So he's like, okay, let me get this straight. You sent Ulf to Tumbleton. Have you fucking met Ulf? What is Ulf going to guard?

1:06:36Ben Mandelker: She's like, I did send Ulf. Why? She's like, because I want to go. She's like, your wife is at Tumbleton. Is she not? He's like, yeah, I think you're starting to connect some dots. here okay so it's just been a big it's been a lot to think about the first thing was that we're going to use soldiers to take people out of houses then we're going to use cats to find mice and now you whose wife is in templeton want to go there to protect her it's just it's a lot on my brain

1:07:06Ronnie Karam: today a lot of concepts i'm trying to really work with yeah and she's doing that thing where she's just kind of like staring at the map like oh jesus so she's like okay god if you want to go so bad just go with Ulf. And then you guys, like one of you could guard and then one of you could take a break. Then one of you could guard. Then one of you could take, he's like, okay. Ray Ray, people are about to attack you.

1:07:30Ben Mandelker: Let the man go. He's highly motivated to protect Tumbleton. I guess she's afraid that he will get so upset that he will burn Tumbleton down, but he wouldn't do that because his wife is there. I don't know. Yeah, but he might leave his dragon out there

1:07:43Ronnie Karam: while he's just going in to run through the town to find his wife. and, you know, make it personal, which, of course, I was surprised didn't happen during the episode because I thought that's where they were leading us. But she's like, just go. Just go. Get out of my face. I've got a map to stare at.

1:08:01Ben Mandelker: So outside, Ulf is walking around and someone has spray painted or just painted Queen of the Bastards on the wall because it's a Hightower loyalist. And Ulf is like, whoa. so then Ulf goes into his bar which I'm surprised it took this long he's now going to be like hey remember me remember you guys all thought I was just some barfly was talking nonsense well guess what I got a dragon now so everyone's like oh my god Ulf yay Ulf everyone loves Ulf he is like they just love him and his buddies are there and they're like cheering him and like by the way Ulf you're going to buy drinks for all of us right right he's like uh yeah sure no problem this is why people

1:08:41Ronnie Karam: become rich and they stop hanging around with poor people, I think. This is true. Because then everybody's like, hey, buy me a beer. Hey, could you do me a favor? It's like, oh, my God. I haven't even learned how to use a comb yet. Give me a second. So then we go to Ormond's, and he's with Darren. And the Footlees are outside. I mean, a bunch of commoner people are outside. and then the family that just got beat and got into it with the soldier shows up cat's family and she's like man he broke my arm and they're basically like what the fuck are you gonna do your soldiers are coming in and attacking families now and so um the soldier of course like uh-uh i wasn't doing anything they're like yes he tried to rape her he broke her arm what the hell are you going to do about this and so he has to look good in front of everybody so he's like well um i'm going to punish this soldier and you're going to go get lashes and you know you can still stay in my service but you're fucked and so he's being dragged away from the guards and he's like but i have a wife lol yeah so he basically just tried to rape somebody it's like but i have a wife

1:09:57Ben Mandelker: exactly so he just sends off this guy to get castrated and then they also oh wait to get castrated yeah yeah i thought he said gilded that's why i said i have a wife because he's like they're like yeah you're you're gonna get castrated now oh i didn't know that's what that meant well you learn something every day yeah so ormond is basically like he was saying i have a

1:10:21Ronnie Karam: wife like you can't you can't torture me i've got a wife at home or like i would never rape somebody because i have a wife i didn't know they were like oh you're about to lose them because yeah

1:10:31Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's done. Yeah, good for them. Well, because Ormond is trying to present that he's a fair ruler. It's sort of like a PR moment. You don't want the people to rise up against you. And also, I imagine there's some sort of like, he does have this religious superiority thing that he's got going on. Like, you've got to be fair. You've got to be firm. And he even tells Darren, he's like, you have to, you must tend to their wounds. You must keep a firm grip. Tensions are high. Lawlessness and disorder claw at our gates. He's kind of like, you've got to like, your icon father.

1:11:06Ronnie Karam: Icon. Yeah, and also this is Ray Ray's town. Like everybody's a Ray Ray follower here. So he's like, we need to show them that we're the kind ones. Yeah. So then we go to Ray Ray and Orwell and she's like, so how much do the high towers exert over the faith? because she asked the rulers of the church or the ruler of the church last week to give her a parade or to recognize her as queen. He's like, how dare you? We've already recognized a queen and she's a religious icon. We love her. So she got really pissed off. She's like, so can we kill these people? He's like, yeah, you can't. You can't really kill a whole church.

1:11:52Ronnie Karam: You can kill one guy, but then the church is going to get mad and faithful people really.

1:11:55Ben Mandelker: you don't want a bunch of faithful people against you so yeah yeah she's like yes they don't don't do that at all like the faith is a big it's a big deal um so she's like okay well she's like another scheme i guess so then we go to damon and he has arrived at the veil because one thing is because there's like no money jane aaron was supposed to commit some troops during the war and she never did and so they're like well okay well you know what instead of getting troops why don't we just hit her up for some money because we're poor like okay so damon goes off to see her

1:12:31Ronnie Karam: and does anybody live in the veil because it always looks like it's just jane i mean she's just always so lonely in this huge room you know the room where they kicked uh yeah the room they kicked through that hole you know the floor opens up and it's the big hole and it's like a A lady whose son was still, you know, feeding off of her boob at like 12 years old or whatever it was. Robin. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:59Ben Mandelker: Yeah. It's always just so lonely there in the veil. And that's why I think like I kind of got the feeling that Jane was sort of, I feel like there was some sort of chemistry between Jane and Damon. I think she sort of likes him, especially because she's just sitting there with no one to talk to. And here comes this guy. But she's there, and she's like, well, I, you know, I receive raven after raven from my bannermen informing me of your progress throughout my domain. And he's like, well, time heals even the deepest of wounds, and I am delighted to return, my lady, and who could ever fail to be charmed by your warmth?

1:13:44Ronnie Karam: That was the joke. Yeah, exactly. She's, like, so dead-faced all the time. She's like,

1:13:51Ronnie Karam: Like okay listen You were supposed to send people so are you going to send me Some troops and she's like oh I should send you babies Like the dragon you gave me A little tiny fucking baby thanks a lot And um So He's like do you really want to fuck with Ray Ray She's got a lot of dragons right now She's like okay what do you want and he's like gold So she gives him some sacks of gold And he Goes out he leaves but he starts paxing it on saraxes and then the dragon's like and you know typical fucking pet smells something and it's right no matter how well you have trained that damn dog which i didn't really train my dog well but man he sniffs one thing or hears something

1:14:33Ben Mandelker: and he's off and then you're chasing his ass this was sort of a funny scene because like i felt like their their um their special effects budget kind of ran out here their cgi because i was like why does this scene look why is this dragon scene look so much worse than all the other dragon scenes it definitely looked like those those little uh those promos they have at the beginning the end of the episode where they show the video game and they're like you can rule westeros that makes me crazy they show that stupid that stupid mobile game and that's like low level animation and then we have the scene where i was like they ran out of time on this scene with this dragon yeah it looked very much like a video game but anyway so so saraxes flies off and you know daemon's like obey me obey me whatever and sarax is like no we're going i smell something good so then drops him off at this little like cave and the hill in the mountainside and daemon's like what's going on And then he sees like a silhouetted figure.

1:15:38Ben Mandelker: He sees a glow in the background of like clearly a dragon fire breath and his figure. And out pops Raina.

1:15:46Ronnie Karam: Raina, 60 years old now. Shaking like a leaf. Like this poor actress.

1:15:52Ben Mandelker: Poor Raina. She's had nothing to do for a season and a half. But just look more and more haggard.

1:16:00Ronnie Karam: This poor thing. Oh my gosh. So she comes out and he's like, what the hell are you doing? And then, you know, we see that she has a dragon. He's like, wait a minute. You're the one with this fucking dragon. She's like, oh, well, like I ever got attention from you. And he's like, you were supposed to be babysitting the kids. Like, what are you doing? It's like, oh, really? Oh, great. I got to baby. I sent him with a fucking Uber. But what else am I going to do? It's my chance to have my own dragon. And he's like, your dragon like literally just caused, you know. A succession issue. the kid did not my son did die or right way son did i and she's like whatever i could use some attention too okay fuck off i'm just gonna stay here with my dragon i know and so he's she's like

1:16:49Ben Mandelker: you know you guys were so mean to me like oh i never had a dragon you guys were like to get your i was an object of pity you guys would just be condescending to me you guys were dicks to me and now i finally have a dragon and now you want me to do this you want me to like come back like no No, no way. I'm not. Bye-bye, father.

1:17:06Ronnie Karam: And he actually had kind of an argument that he didn't make because she's like, and worse, you pitied me. I mean, can you yourself say you ever gave me more than a passing thought? I'm a father on Game of Thrones. Of course I didn't give it. Have any of my kids received a passing thought from me?

1:17:25Ben Mandelker: Does anyone even really remember that I'm Bela's father also? No.

1:17:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't pay attention to any of you. what are you talking about? I pay attention to myself. I'm Damon. I'm on a Game of Thrones show. So he's like, come back with me. And he's getting emotional with her now. You know, it's too late. That's how the dads are on the show. Like now he's emotional. And so she's like, no, I'm not. He's like, Ray Ray is going to hunt you down. She's hunting for you now. And she's like, well, then just let me think that I'm dead and I lost. I'm lost to the sea and let you betray me.

1:18:02Ben Mandelker: and then she basically then the dragon comes like stomp the sheep stealer comes like stomping out and they go off they fly away and then daemon's like geez okay kids am i right it's so difficult when they become teenagers and then he looks down and there's just like this just a shepherd with two sheep apparently unfazed by the fact that there's like a giant dragon on the above him and another one that just went flying off but he's got it literally called Of course, Stealer. Literally called Sheep Stealer. And we know dragons love sheep. And this guy's just like, do-do-do-do-do. What could possibly go wrong for him today?

1:18:33Ben Mandelker: Who knows?

1:18:34Ronnie Karam: Just hanging out with my two sheep. That's it. It's just going to be a good day. So then we go back to Ormond in Tumbledon. And this is where he's making his homemade potpourri. He's like sitting at a table with a little ball, like putting it into the scent. And he's like, yes, yes.

1:18:49Ben Mandelker: He's like an influencer. He's like, now this scent, I love this. I call this one Essence of Dorn. It's very tropical. It's very healing, too. If you had a long day, I really recommend this. I have this one for sale for$12.99, or you can get a set for$34.99. That's a$2 discount on three bottles. Just use the like button down below. It's like, fall's coming.

1:19:12Ronnie Karam: Pumpkin spice. Am I right, girl? So, of course, Darren's there just standing around looking innocent, which he does. And so a raven just arrived. So he reads the little letter and gets pissed. And Darren sees him starting to get pissed. He's like, oh, my God. Get out of here. Clear. Clear. Get out of the room. So the servant runs away. And then Ormond just throws a hissy fit. I would have liked more of like a screechy hissy fit.

1:19:48Ben Mandelker: Like a cartoony. Yeah. And then I would have liked almost like a what's-her-face, mommy-dearest kind of freak out. Suddenly just go right through Darren's closet and be like, no wire hangers. Just take an eye out on Darren. Like, I told you, keep your shit in order.

1:20:10Ronnie Karam: This ain't my first time at the radio, fellas. But he has a pretty manly hissy fit. He stands up at the table and pulls out a sword and starts banging on the table. I mean, easy to do when it's not your table. Sorry, Footsleys.

1:20:27Ben Mandelker: Yeah, sorry, Lady Footsley. Your brand new table from West Elm is going to need some repairs.

1:20:34Ronnie Karam: That is like a renaissance. What is that store called? Is it called Renaissance? No. Which one? Oh, they send you like a nice big. No. Restoration. Restoration. Restoration hardware. Yes. It's like a restoration hardware table. It's a nice table. I felt bad. It was an investment. It was an investment. So he beats up the table and screams, and then he just sits back down. He's like, your Uncle Gwyn who sent word, it seems your brother Amon will not be joining us after all with his giant fucking dragon. Sir, just carry on. We must alter our scheme.

1:21:12Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Darren's like, so we're, do we have to stay in Templeton? Or can we go back to Old Town? Or was like, no. So then we go back to Ray Ray and Orwell. And Orwell's like, well, big news, everyone. Serato wrote to Ormond this entire time, wrote tons of stuff to Ormond, but nothing was ever returned. So she goes, are you sure there's been no error? What am I supposed to make of it? And they're like, well, I suppose only that Lord Ormond ruled Oldtown as a kingdom unto itself. So I guess people online are suspecting that the letters that Ormond wrote back were intercepted. So there was never an official record of him running back.

1:21:53Ben Mandelker: So we'll see what happens there.

1:21:55Ronnie Karam: Oh. So Ulf comes in. He's like, hello. Thank you. And please, your grace of madams, please and thank you. Insert bow. I am bow. I've learned manners now. It's like, what's up? I'm looking over a paper. I have one paper on my desk. It's very important. It's like, well, thou is art, please, and take manners, manners, match. Jesus, what do you want?

1:22:26Ben Mandelker: Spit it out. It's like, all right, well, I was wondering if I might petition you a favor for a man named Mujah, who has a small holding outside Rosby, an exemption from taxes, and also someone named Clay, a pardon for various small crimes. also I have a friend named Norm and he would just love to know if he could just extend his bar tab just a bit and then Cliff he would just love if people said

1:22:53Ronnie Karam: hello to him whenever he walked in Carla

1:22:59Ben Mandelker: she just wonders if he could check up on her man make sure he's not cheating again it's possible

1:23:05Ronnie Karam: and she's like and where do you know these friends from he's like Tavern she's like oh for for Christ's sake, you alcoholic, you were cut off, and now you have to stay here and you can't go to any taverns, and I'm not doing favors for any of your goddamn friends. Now, get out of here. I have one paper to read, and I'm going to read it very intently. And he's like, oh, well, thou is taught a thank you. By the way, people are writing that you're a bitch queen of bastards all over the walls. Bye. And by the way, thumbs up. I thumbs up every post I saw on those walls. Have a good one.

1:23:39Ben Mandelker: So Ramiro's like, ugh. fine so uh she basically is like can uh can you just get can someone get sir luther in here um and just have the gold cloaks go through the city and remove all the graffiti and beat up anyone who's a loyalist thanks so we know this is another bad move here oh she was doing so well handing out the food on that on that wagon last week yeah mother i mean not to remove the

1:24:06Ronnie Karam: you know the paint or whatever but to have people like to let the gold cloaks loose on the population not a yeah not a great move so then um we go back to rook's rest for the egg on his poor for a minute storyline where he's having to clean toilets or get murdered by the guy and then um he gets well he gets pissed because they're like oh sorry there's no food for you we run out sometimes That's just how it is. So he's like, really? This is how you treat people? This is how you treat your pores? Do with no food? And the leader's like, you son of a bitch, I'm going to murder you. Kiss my feet covered in poop and flies.

1:24:45Ben Mandelker: So Aegon has to kiss his feet. And of course, Aegon has no introspection that he too once lived a life of extreme luxury while the small folk went with nothing.

1:24:55Ronnie Karam: That's how the trope works, you know? You have to learn what it's like to be a poor person before you can become the hero that you were meant to be.

1:25:05Ben Mandelker: What a journey. What a journey. So, yeah, he has to kiss that fecal matter feet. Fecal feet. Now over in King's Landing, we're back with a small council. Torrin is there now as our new master of coin. And Damon walks in. He's like, great news, everyone. I have a totally reliable story that has no holes in it whatsoever. Here is a burnt head of a guy who was riding the dragon. Clearly, this is someone who'd be riding a dragon, and I killed him. And we can just close out that whole storyline. Okay, have a great day.

1:25:39Ronnie Karam: I've missed you. Good to see you. Here's a burnt head of the person who murdered your son. Gotta go. Gotta go. She's like, wait, wait, wait. I bought Starbucks for everyone. Yeah. And Manderly just keeps going. I love Manderly's like waving around his little quill in the air. he's so funny the guy he's playing mandolin yeah he's good he has like a tom holst energy yeah and uh damon's like who the fuck are you he's like oh so toy and randoli my prince a new master of coin what little there is to be master of am i right we are broke bitch and he's like okay uh i'm the clever one here okay fuck who do you think you are some sort of lannister so um

1:26:23Ben Mandelker: Um, Mizaria's like, what small quantity of gold Damon has found must go to ease the deprivations of the small folk. Can you speak a little faster, Mizaria? It's like, no, the city watch gets the money. The city watch has been stretched too far thin. Our soldiers need to be paid more, more. So they're going back and forth. It needs to go here. It needs to go there. It needs to go here. It needs to go there. And Ray Ray's just like, she's looking at this head with his like, like two teeth in it. And it's like charred. And she's like having a, she's, she's having like a moment, right? Because it's like, she's so, she's still grieving.

1:27:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And she's like, wait a minute. How does this makes everybody leave? So everybody leaves except Damon. She's like, what is this? And she's like, how did, who is he? And how did they come to claim a wild dragon? Like, was he allied to Aemon Ormond? Do you have any answers here? He's like, well, a dragon is not a precise instrument. Okay. Can I go? She's like, um...

1:27:25Ben Mandelker: Is this a volleyball with a tooth stuck onto it? A volleyball, it's... It has a red handprint on it also. Is this just... Is this just a Wilson that you got off of eBay? It's like, no, no.

1:27:39Ronnie Karam: Does Tom Hanks know that you've taken this? So he's like... She's like, also, where's the dragon? You're supposed to be chasing this guy. You knew that it had the dragon, but now it doesn't have the dragon because he's dead. What the fuck, the dragon? He's like, oh, right away.

1:27:53Ben Mandelker: whoops it's like also i wanted to kill him by the way i wanted to look him in his eyes and kill him and you kind of killed him for me like stop that yeah he killed my son so i wanted to be the one

1:28:04Ronnie Karam: to kill him he's like oh my bad sorry you know you know dragons they just get pissed and they burn people up and so she's like okay um well we've got gold and the city you know help the small folk with the gold. Okay, now go. Just go. So he passes Maseria in the hall. He's like, oh, well, when what you've wrought comes falling down about your ears, she'll return to her senses. She's like, whose head is that? Those two reading each other for pills every time they see each other.

1:28:41Ben Mandelker: So then meanwhile, Alicent is hanging around, and she's with helena and ray ray comes in and she's like hey here's a ring just so you know i'm not really a monster i am having your father's remains delivered to old town so here's yeah here's your dad's ring

1:28:58Ronnie Karam: so she gives him the ring and they're like oh my god we're such best friends and she leaves and then helena comes up and helena there i guess it's helena's big boobs like like her boobs are bigger and allison looks at her boobs and she's like wait a minute helena did you get pregnant you know she gives her that look like who got you pregnant helena well she tries to help she tries

1:29:23Ben Mandelker: to help to help close her robe and he was like don't touch and then she's like oh my god helena helena i mean who by the way who did get who did she get pregnant with was this you think this is

1:29:37Ronnie Karam: aemon aemon no ray ray's husband do you think it's aegon no could it be aegon well i guess that's her husband i don't think aegon ever slept with his his sister wife who else has been around who else has been hanging around that's sports i don't know i don't i don't even know how to speculate because they don't really show that much of helena they showed her last week looking at a caterpillar and writing something in a journal with a half butterfly, half skeleton thing. So I don't know what the fuck.

1:30:10Ben Mandelker: Who did this? So, um, now we back to Tumbleton. Everything is, uh, everything, you know, it's just, it's just business as usual. And Tumbleton these days, uh, except for the fact that there's all these high towers there. And here comes Hugh hammer, Hugh flies over the city with his dragon. It's then he takes a seat. They perch and look over. It's like, everyone, Hugh is here, but little does you realize there is sadness afoot his brother-in-law is about to get a real have a really bad night because down in some sort of dungeon-y area i imagine it turns out that there's a little dragon in there because that's uh that's darren's dragon and uh he's there and

1:30:52Ronnie Karam: ormond comes in what'd you say darren has a dragon named tessarion this is the cutest thing i love that we get to see the dragons at every stage in this show because at the Vale we saw the little baby dragons walking around and now we get to see like a, you know, I mean how old do you think this dragon is? I don't

1:31:12Ben Mandelker: know dragon years so like to me it looks like an adolescent.

1:31:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Oh it's so cute. So he's with this little dragon and Orman comes in and he's like I've warned you against inducing an affection for that beast and the dragon's like don't fuck with me i don't know english but i know tones potpourri you want to pee dragon has

1:31:32Ben Mandelker: like little bangs it's like in its emo stage because it's a teenager and so ormond ormond now sees darren and he's like he's like you are a good boy you speak kindly and you say your prayers and i have raised you right in the light of the seven and the father smiles upon you but there is taint in your blood the targaryens are a savagery spore and intellect but rich and cunning with dark spells they created abominations that's you deserion anyway to subdue what was rightly

1:32:01Ronnie Karam: ours yeah you come from blonde people and they are satanic they make dragons and you are not going to be that do you hear me he's like okay okay okay so um he's like well the brutes raise a woman to the iron throne a desecration women are you kidding what are we going to do let them

1:32:19Ben Mandelker: drive next it was a blessing that you came toward an old town i taught you things like fashion and skincare your brothers are lost but you you remain a high tower raised in the shadow of the citadel in the light of the star is sept now you must be king oh so ormond's gonna make his own play now so just by the way for those keeping tabs the people who are claiming the throne are Reyna now we've got Darren we still have a gone wait and Ray Ray Ray what did I say Ray I meant sorry just go ahead sorry you're making a list I probably like destroy but all driving people nuts from the top Darren Ray Ray a gone and now Helena's new baby baby's gonna have to wait a second because You know that baby is going to be a thing.

1:33:21Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah.

1:33:22Ben Mandelker: It's going to be a thing.

1:33:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm actually surprised because I didn't read the books or anything. But the first season, like you had mentioned earlier, time jumped. And people grew up so fast between the first and the second seasons that they're still kind of staying in this age. I'm surprised they haven't jumped and shown more characters and stuff yet. Not that I'm complaining because I've grown to really like these characters. But yeah, I guess Helene's baby is going to grow up and do some shit.

1:33:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah. It's going to be rough.

1:33:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Darren's like, you don't want me to turn against my own brothers, right? And he's like, yes. It's the will of the gods. So do it. Okay. So then they bring in the brother, Cat's brother, the villager guy. And Darren's like, wait, I thought you let that guy go. and he's like, a righteous king must demonstrate he upholds many virtues, honor, wisdom, and justice. And the only way that people ever get respect on this show is by murdering someone with a sword. Here's my sword. Murder him or you're a pussy. Do it. Murder. Do it.

1:34:27Ben Mandelker: Do it. And Darren's like, well, I guess I gotta do this. So he stabs him in the gut. I was like, oh, I thought it'd be a beheading, but stabs him in the gut. And then the show pretty much ends with Tessarion being like, I didn't like that that Darren did it.

1:34:43Ronnie Karam: I mean, of course, you're not supposed to like it. I guess this is where you see him turn or whatever, or become a man or whatever they're trying to show us. But I didn't like it because he's like, isn't mercy something that a ruler, like a quality that a ruler has? And he's like, no, stop being a boss. Just kill him. And he does it. I didn't like it. I was hoping he'd maybe kill Ormond or something.

1:35:06Ben Mandelker: Maybe he'll turn. Maybe he'll be better in the future. Like, maybe, you know, he might not be pure evil. No, it's the same actor as he's going to be playing Link in the live-action Zelda movie, by the way. Really? Yeah. How about that?

1:35:24Ronnie Karam: Well, I like him so far. We've really only had this episode. I kind of like Darren.

1:35:28Ben Mandelker: I feel like Darren just needs to get, like, some better role models.

1:35:31Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, it's not his fault.

1:35:33Ben Mandelker: And I actually like Ormond as a villain. I think he's a good villain so far. He's like charismatic in a way that, that, uh, I think the show benefits from.

1:35:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah. He's good. Cause not all the villains on game of Thrones are, you know, like hotties too. Yeah. And I love a nice butt shot. Yeah.

1:35:53Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I, I, I like a crafty villain more than I like, um, just like a dour villain. Like to me, Amon is a dour villain. He's just like annoying, but at least like Ormond is like a very hateable crafty villain. where like, oh, I hate this guy, but I sort of appreciate his cunningness, you know?

1:36:11Ronnie Karam: And I like that they're kind of giving him some gay slants.

1:36:15Ben Mandelker: You know, like some little nods to us.

1:36:17Ronnie Karam: Even though he's a bad guy. I love that. But I'll take it.

1:36:19Ben Mandelker: Even if it's just queerbaiting, I'm okay with it. It's fine.

1:36:23Ronnie Karam: Listen, if the bait's good, the fish are going to eat. And that's how it goes.

1:36:27Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, exactly.

1:36:31Ronnie Karam: Alright, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. We will see you next week. Join us on our regular podcast, Watch What Crappens, to talk all things Bravo. We'll see you next time. Bye.

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