#3453: In the City S1E9 Part One: House of Mom Cards

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1:58Ben Mandelker: a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker, and joining me today is the one and only Ronnie Karam. Happy Friendsgiving, Ronnie!

2:10Ronnie Karam: Well, happy Friendsgiving, Turkey.

2:14Ben Mandelker: Yes, thank you. We are here today to talk about the season finale of In the City, where all those crazy kids go up to Connecticut and celebrate Friendsgiving. Obviously, we were off last week, so we missed last week's episode. However, if you want to hear our thoughts on last week's episode, we had a really fun time earlier this week recording Crappy Hour, and we sort of just went through all the episodes that we missed. So if you want to hear our thoughts on last week's Below Deck Med, in the city, the valley, etc., they are all there. And we had a really fun time breaking that all down. So go check that out.

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3:28Ben Mandelker: And now without any further ado, let's transport ourselves to the lush Connecticut countryside in the middle of fall let's put on some nice textures pretend we're in a land's end catalog and go to in the city what what say you ronnie i mean you know amanda and kyle thank god

3:51Ronnie Karam: thank god they both left and we're like god this feels like it's over oh for fuck's sake thank you send it already every week with this show it's like and then the you know summer house it's like okay i'm divorcing you both i'm done get out both of you get out uh but i love the city i love in the city i think it was a great first season and i can't believe it's the season finale yeah um i

4:16Ben Mandelker: thought it was a great tight eight episode show i guess i guess it's episode nine nine nine episodes how many were there eight episodes nine see that was a german pun uh said with an australian accent And yeah, I thought it was a really good show. Really good confection, if you will. And I was very happy with it.

4:38Ronnie Karam: I loved seeing Georgia come out and get her confrontation in. And she said she's really letting people have it at the reunion. So I'm excited for that because I love an activated Georgia. And also Whitney gave Whitney a chance for us to kind of see the cardboard behind the cardboard. You know, that's like one of those boxes that carries really strong stuff, but it's just you open one piece of cardboard and then there's more cardboard in there. And then when you get those both open, there's a lot of paper filler in there. So we got to see what she's made of. It was cardboard.

5:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I was so proud of Whitney because she basically was like, hey, she's like, everyone is always too scared to stand up to Lindsay. but I'm going to stand up to her and then cut to her. I'm really sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that way.

5:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I think Whitney is a little too influenced in her couple because she's with a confrontational person who wants to start shit all the time. And she, she can't do it the same way. You know, I'm sure that they sit there and they're like, well, Lindsay, this and Lindsay that for the whole season. And she's like, yeah, and I'm going to, I'm sick of it too. But she just doesn't have the same, you know, skill in confrontations is kenny because i wouldn't want to argue with kenny

6:03Ben Mandelker: yeah well kenny also he continues to be a great villain on this show um he gaslights i love when they just go at whitney endlessly endlessly endlessly and then afterwards he's like you know one thing is that i'm always going to speak up on your behalf i'm like you literally said nothing and now you're giving credit for defending her yeah pretty much uh it was pretty funny uh

6:25Ronnie Karam: So let's get into it. Shall we? So we're at this house in Connecticut. As you said, it's Thanksgiving weekend. People are in the kitchen cooking. And Andrea, of course, looks amazing first thing in the morning. He really does look straight out of a catalog. And we find out that last night he made s'mores. It was my favorite part. Flashback to people making s'mores.

6:51Ben Mandelker: Yep, yep. And they're making s'mores. And then they're all like joking around. And now Kyle enters the kitchen and he comes up behind Lindsay and Amanda. He's like, ah, top of the morning. And Amanda's like, top of the morning. And so, you know, she's just full of cheer.

7:09Ronnie Karam: Least fun reading of top of the morning I've ever heard. Have you met Shannon Bedore? Like, do you need some? Top of the morning to ya. Top of the morning.

7:20Ben Mandelker: Yeah, come on. Put some effort into it. It's not bottom of the morning. We go to Kyle and Gavin and Kyle's – Nothing against bottoms. Nothing about it. Nothing about it. Nothing bad about it. But then Kyle's inspecting Gavin's room. Gavin has a corner room with lots of light, which is cute. Georgina's on the phone with her kids. She's FaceTiming them, asking for a kiss, which is, I guess, entertaining. And then Kenny and Whitney are in their room, and there's a big exciting development over there, which is Whitney announcing, there's a ladybug on your shirt, which then can you gaslit the ladybug?

7:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah, he flicks the ladybug and she's like, don't flick it on me. Don't flick it. First of all, it's a ladybug. Who's mean to ladybugs? Pick up the ladybug and move it somewhere. Positive. I mean, ladybugs are for luck. You don't want to be flicking a ladybug around. What's wrong with those people?

8:17Ben Mandelker: You literally don't have to flick it. You can just nudge it and the ladybug will be like, I see that I'm not wanted on this sweater. I got it. You don't have to literally exert violence on the ladybug.

8:26Ronnie Karam: Well, I always get the ladybug on my finger and then I look at it and I wish for something. I don't know. It's just not a flickable thing. It's something you're kind to in the world.

8:37Ben Mandelker: This goes to show what a good pattern will do for you, right? Like regular ass beetle or bug. A cockroach is just brown. they're like ew but ladybug's like i have a polka dot yeah the ladybug and we're like it's bringing me luck it's not just that ladybug shows up looking cute it's made effort you know it's

8:58Ronnie Karam: not just showing up in its sweatpants with its hair all askew it's like i'm here i'm in polka dots i'm ready to fucking rumble let's like be nice to each other let me bring you luck

9:09Ben Mandelker: have you seen like the um hyper slow motion video that that um shows what happens when a ladybug takes off to fly no it's like it's wonderful it's just like this big elaborate thing these panels come out of its back and these wings and it's just like it's like a transformer and it's just like this big elaborate process i'll try to uh find it to show here um uh for our video viewers because it's really a spectacular site way more exciting than i'm gonna say anything when you're Kenny have ever done.

9:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So now we're back in the kitchen. They're talking about who is going to cook, who's going to shop, and Danielle wants to shop. It's a very summer house moment where some people get to go to the store, you know? And so Kyle is going to go with her to the store, and then Nick's like, well, don't buy any beef because there's plenty of beef in this house. Nailed it. Nailed it. Nailed it. So much beef here. so uh we get the car of people going to the grocery store it's danielle and owen whitney kenny and kyle so it's two couples and kyle and he's like yeah you know the reason i'm planning on doing the shopping is i'm obviously cooking are you already drunk why are you driving i know

10:28Ben Mandelker: seriously um by the way the big news yesterday is that kyle started to follow kata from love island and I felt really bad because all summer long I was like, Kata's like our only famous person from New Hampshire and I forgot Kyle Cook is from New Hampshire. So I kind of would be down for a Kyle and Kata reality romance New Hampshire style. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Do not. They both have the gravelly voice. Kata.

10:55Ronnie Karam: Literally Kyle. Yeah, we just went for Kyle. And now we're going to get Kyle. Why does America gonna see me kyle literally kyle no the screaming um so lindsey calls gemma who's like 20 years old now i don't know how gemma gemma's gotten so big she's like entering college full head of hair walking around calculating things like what the hell is going on with gemma jesus she's so big and she's so cute and um she tells us and being a single mom like it wasn't my first choice and it's not how i thought it would be but i'm a single mom i love it like wow this is definitely the single mom card episode like that's open with it really is being a single mom i did not pull the single mom card and i will pull the single mom card well what are we doing we pulling it or are we not pulling it And there's a moment of confusion where she's like, did I pull it?

12:03Ronnie Karam: I should pull it. I did pull it. I'm proud of pulling it. What do you think of that? Yeah.

12:07Ben Mandelker: She's like, I'm not pulling the single mom card. I'm just going to talk about it all season long. This is one of the few times, by the way, I shouldn't say that. It's not one of the few times. I generally don't like when people pull cards. That's why I say one of the few times. So she used the single mom card to get that room. I was actually largely okay with that.

12:26Ronnie Karam: I'm 100 % okay. She also hosted the trip. And as we discussed on Crappy Hour this week, Georgina posted, you know, an A, B, and C. A, this thing, and B, and she said that Kenny was the one who suggested that Lindsay and Georgina take the main room. But then he got messy and, you know, suggested otherwise to everyone else to make Lindsay look like a monster on TV. That's just total Kenny.

12:53Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Lindsay has a few cards. She has mom card, host card, senior ranking reality star card. And a little blonde bob card.

13:02Ronnie Karam: And a lady who never got the master bedroom in Summer House for 10 years card.

13:07Ben Mandelker: Yeah. That's another card. Yeah, exactly.

13:09Ronnie Karam: Everybody knows you don't say don't pull the single mom card. That's like a legit card. Like you can play it. That's a card. It's like telling someone don't pull a king of hearts. It's a card in a card deck. And I can pull it. It's allowed. Like that's a legit card.

13:24Ben Mandelker: fuck off whitney yes um i just want to say that the ladybug is now on camera here and do you want to see we're gonna narrate it for people who are merely listening this is what a ladybug looks like when it's taking off to fly the ladybug is gonna pull the mom card as well so its wings come out and then another set of wings come flying out expands incredible you never even knew were there and then it lifts up its arms to be like i have risen and then it flies and it like takes off actually like head first and then it's it's off to the world but like i mean these are drama queens we never realized how much of a drama queen these ladybugs are it's almost like those little that little red polka dot thing is a uh it's like lamborghini suicide doors you know just yeah i

14:09Ronnie Karam: was gonna say it looks kind of like a tesla or one of those doors that has the you know one of those cars that has the doors going like that but also the ladybug has such good squat like they do squats because it stands up and then it lifts the you know yeah and then it lifts the arms and stands for a moment just like looks around and then it's like hello i'm a ladybug god damn it and then two sets of wings flowing i mean what a beautiful beautiful creature beautiful it's like

14:37Ben Mandelker: doing the platoon almost it's like doing william defoe and platoon except if william defoe the moment he put his hands up in his head back if he then decided to start flying that's what a ladybug It does. Every time a ladybug flies, it's like, this is for you, Willem Dafoe. I fly on your behalf.

14:54Ronnie Karam: It's doing the Evita. Like, people are in Dina.

15:00Ronnie Karam: Anyway, the point is this. Ladybug gets the main room. Because the ladybug, that's what the ladybug has. The ladybug card. Okay? I'm a ladybug. Nobody respects me. I'm just a bug, and people try and flick me off of their beds. So that's my card.

15:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I 100 % support that. So now Lindsay's saying, yeah, she talks about being a single mom. And that's why Whitney's comment cuts so deep because it's hard. It's a lot. It takes a village, yada, yada. And then we see how last night Georgina had told Lindsay about the single mom card, etc. So now we're at this little food market. And the shopping people, aka Drunk Kyle and others, are trying to figure out how to actually shop. Because Whitney's like, do we need just one card? Should we get flowers? What's a card? where are we what are all these things on the on the on the walls here where are the wooden balls

15:53Ronnie Karam: yeah kenny's like do we have a list you guys you're the shopping people you don't ask that when you get to the store and kenny tells us that he always does friendsgiving and it's you know it's really meaningful to him guys because that's where like people come together and bond you know it's like a thanksgiving thing i get it so danielle is saying that they should just get boxed mashed potatoes you know what you lazy ass don't go to the store in the first place don't be the store

16:19Ben Mandelker: person i can't stand that when someone volunteers do the shopping and then they're like i'll do the box potatoes it's like it's friendsgiving also i have to say i was you know what i was a little dismayed at taking take a wild guess well you just took yourself off the screen right but i told you

16:34Ronnie Karam: to take a while yes no it's okay i was just going to scratch my head this thanksgiving planning this Thanksgiving planning they talk about kombucha I don't love that Kyle's talking about kombucha for his gut because he's still talking about his poop and his fissure and his butthole which

16:51Ben Mandelker: yeah he said no either well I'll just tell you which is that they are getting the turkey catered and I'm like I get that like turkey's annoying and turkey's not really anyone's favorite bird but I think the fun of a Thanksgiving or a Friendsgiving is making a good old college try at that turkey. I mean, the turkey is the game of Thanksgiving. It's like, is the turkey going to turn out right? Can we actually make this bird taste good? I think that's so much fun, is trying to figure that out. And the fact that they're like, we're going to take the hardest part of Thanksgiving, and question me, the part of that is the most suspenseful and most exciting, which is will this turkey actually be good?

17:31Ben Mandelker: And they're just going to hand it off to someone else. I'm trying to remind you that we have spent a thanksgiving together where the turkey was a huge drama that didn't wasn't like right

17:44Ronnie Karam: the oven wasn't working or the turkey wasn't remember we the turkey had been yeah that was fun that was a fun friendsgiving by the way it ended up being an amazing day and an amazing turkey and an amazing dinner but we were can be some drama and it can be like a six you know it can

18:00Ben Mandelker: be the four or four to six hour drama but that's why they should have it on this show because it's a reality show and it's like oh here's an element of something that could cause drama and especially because then they have to wait longer they'd have to get hungrier they'd start to fight more i mean like do i have to do the jobs for these people i mean you get the turkey in there don't get it catered um at that that bad turkey well the turkey actually wound up being really good but the issues with that turkey were that i didn't have enough experience with turkeys and how they take like a week to thaw not just like two days and so um yeah that turkey was ice cold ice one block of ice but you know it takes it takes a lot of practice and it takes

18:39Ronnie Karam: some know-how to get a turkey done right you know how many years that was years ago by the way it was like a decade ago so how many years have you been doing a turkey many now i would ever guess

18:49Ben Mandelker: i've been chasing yeah i've been i've been chasing the dragon it takes it takes a lot chasing the

18:54Ronnie Karam: i've been chasing the turkey but it's a lot of it's a lot of effort and i would not trust really anyone in this cast. Well, we see them cooking later, and so I would trust a couple of them. Lindsay and Georgina, I think, can cook, right?

19:07Ben Mandelker: We saw, yeah, I trust them, and the way that Lindsay was barking orders about that gravy, I was like, Lindsay knows how to do this. She's barking orders with the urgency of someone who's like, I know how to do this, and Amanda, you're fucking at my process because you insisted to help with the gravy, even though you have no skills in this area. And, like, I mean, Amanda messes up the gravy, and Lindsay has to come in and fix it. Like, Lindsay knows. I think Lindsay would know how to do a perfectly fine turkey.

19:32Ronnie Karam: She would. And Amanda didn't even fuck up the gravy. I mean, she didn't even fix the gravy. No one fixed the gravy. She did not do it at all and was like, is this a roux? And it's just like a coagulated flour ball. She's like, no, that's not a roux. And then Lindsay dumped it out in the trash and completely made a roux in two seconds.

19:51Ben Mandelker: But the way that Lindsay was speaking so quickly, she was speaking quickly because she knew the timing of what needed to happen. She even says, we don't even have that much time. We don't have much time. You have to do this. Because you know there's a lot of things happening, and you don't want that gravy to get cool. It's a lot happening. And the way that – Lindsay's exasperation was the exasperation of someone who knows exactly what they want to do and how to do it for that turkey. And someone like Amanda is in the way because they insisted that they have to help. And that's my way of saying I think Lindsay could have done the turkey, and they would have been fine.

20:25Ronnie Karam: Fine. She could have. But how much is a single mom expected to do? I'm just kidding. She did have kind of a mom energy when she did it, too. She came in. She got the juices in there, stirred it around with some flour. She was like, boom. And then she smiled at everybody and was like, high fives, everybody. She was like, don't feel stupid just because you suck at rue. Not everybody cooks. And we find out now, Kyle says, I think Amanda runs on Pirate's booty. So don't trust that person who only eats pirate food. Although that's a delicious thing. But you don't trust that person for the roux. Roux is important.

21:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah.

21:04Ben Mandelker: Roux is going to be a... You need someone who's really going to be on top of it. And Amanda. I'm just not trusting Amanda. I'm not trusting Amanda with really anything. She can set the table. Like when it comes to Thanksgiving food, uh-uh. I just don't. I don't. No.

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23:15Ronnie Karam: so the dinner is the shopping people are talking about how last night was absolutely roller coaster and we see a flashback of dinner from last night um which we'll go over because we didn't recap this episode so amanda's like um kyle so this all started because messy ass gavin who i think is my favorite newbie um i love him i think he's so fucking funny and i know he infuriates people on mine. He's messing to me in a way that I'm not entertained by, if that makes sense. I find it funny. Here's why I'm entertained by it. I don't think it's mean. I don't think it's mean-spirited. And he's not lying.

23:53Ronnie Karam: I think he's just like, we're on a show and this is what we're going to do. He's doing it kind of Lindsey or Kyle style where they just know how to do it. So they're like, okay, this person told me in the bedroom. So now we're going to fight about this. And I think he does it in a pretty funny, entertaining way. And then he backs away and people are online are like, well, but he doesn't share anything about I'm fine with that. I don't need him to share about his own life. Like I'm fine with him just being a messy king and just coming and making everybody else fight. And then he just stands back and laughs.

24:27Ronnie Karam: And I think it's hilarious because everybody is baited in, especially Amanda and Kyle. They fall for it every single time.

24:33Ben Mandelker: You know, you know what it is? I don't I'm not mad that he has an impulse to stir things up and keep the conversation going and I thought like when he went to lunch with Whitney and Kenny that was really funny when he was like oh so you guys basically have a boring relationship but I think it's sort of like in the group scenes there have been times when an argument has been going on and you're like okay like they finally found resolution we can move forward and then Kenny rips it right back open again in a way that I'm like why we finally just got to a good place. Like, why are you doing this?

25:08Ben Mandelker: I think maybe I don't like his timing.

25:12Ronnie Karam: That makes sense. I just crack up every time he does it because they just fall for it every time. And it happened again. So they were having, what was this fight? Oh, so this was last night. Like the, so they, everyone's having a great time. They're sitting around having a great dinner, a great party vacation together. everything's going great and then he's like so mandan kyle you know what about you guys i just want to announce kyle is gonna he just signed a big deal for a dj thing and let's cheers to kyle because he knows that that's gonna set amanda off and so everybody is like well cheers kyle good for you and imagine kyle had already had this fight nine million times that kyle's gonna get a new dj agent and then it's possible he's gonna get these gigs and amanda's like He never told me.

26:05Ben Mandelker: And I'm like, sorry, I'm like, if you're watching this, you see I'm like rubbing my face because I'm already anticipating myself getting annoyed at Amanda. Because I'm like, Amanda and Kyle together, I'll get annoyed at both of them. But like, what's annoying to me is that it was a whole conversation about like, what? How come I didn't know? And then it's like, what are the rules here in their arrangement? is it that they're getting separation but they're still supposed to be talking a lot and sharing big life things with each other or is it that they're getting separation and they're going to redate again and then they're going to reconnect I feel like the goalposts are constantly moving and so I kind of am weirdly empathetic to Kyle not really knowing what he's supposed to say what he's not supposed to say and also let's not forget it's really easy to forget but the episode prior to the Friendsgiving was Amanda and Kyle having this big fight in that in her new place where she just went in on him like relentlessly and it's like I kind of like I don't like Kyle is definitely not a perfect specimen here but I don't know there's part of me that I kind of understand where it's like I'm damned if I do damned if I don't I'm not even gonna bring this up to her because she's gonna complain or whatever so like i don't know i kind of understand i kind of understand why why he didn't tell her he probably should have but i also understand between the ambiguity of like how much are we sharing how much am i obligated to share with you it seems like you're already moved out because you got a year-long release like you're saying this is a separation but it feels like it's like it's feel you're saying it's temporary but it feels kind of permanent so how much do i owe you to share this stuff in my life if i go on dj gigs does it really matter we're not even living together anymore you know so like i can understand that ambiguity circling around him

27:54Ronnie Karam: plus he's probably drunk he's drunk but they had that fight where um she's like what you know i know you have a man you're gonna get a manager and you're gonna take even more games they already had this big fight and he's like well you know so he was hiding it from her before he didn't share it with her before so back then he was being a huge asshole i thought like not even telling her That was worse. More late night gigs. You're now you're going to get a manager, which, by the way, it's a good thing. He's making money for the company that's failing lover boy that you're supposed to be working at and a part of.

28:30Ronnie Karam: I thought, Amanda, and they've got to pay their employees and pay its rent. So I get that. But like not communicating with your wife that you're doing all of this stuff. That was a huge thing, but we've already heard you guys fight about this. You ripped him a new one over this, and you left him. So now he's supposed to tell you, oh, I did officially sign with the DJ, and then these are things, I don't know. You left him. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like you're saying during that fight, even though you've pissed me off through Summer House and all the stuff that's been going off. I've been on Amanda's side for most of this Kyle stuff simply because he's a terrible fucking husband.

29:05Ronnie Karam: But you know it doesn't make Amanda innocent Or less obnoxious either So

29:13Ben Mandelker: There's definitely a sense that she She wants her pirate's booty And she wants it and eat it too And I think that like You can't have it both ways

29:22Ronnie Karam: And get it stuck in her teeth too

29:26Ben Mandelker: She wants her pirate's booty And she wants to be like wait That's all that was in the bag But I think that like You did leave him You know, air takes a lot of space. You guys, there's a lot of little bags upstairs. Yeah. But like, but like, I don't know. Like, I always think it's surprising just even outside of Amanda. We see this happen a lot of times on these shows where someone leaves someone and then gets mad that the person that they left isn't like still being totally forthcoming with them or is like moving on or doing other things. I guess that's just what I'm trying to say. I don't understand what the boundaries are of their arrangement and what the communication is supposed to be.

30:09I do kind of feel like Amanda, you left him.

30:14Ben Mandelker: When she left him to quote unquote save the marriage, I don't think she had any interest in truly saving this marriage. I think she just wanted out and we all supported her wanting out. So just get out. Get out.

30:26Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I think she wanted to be out of it and soft launch being out of it and still, you know, not make a huge financial thing and make a war and make it this. She wanted to do it in a way that looked like she's trying. So there's, it's easier. She wanted the illusion of maturity. But also when you're in a relationship with somebody, you're never just saying what you're saying, right? And I'm not saying everybody's relationships, but a lot of them. So when you're saying, I'm leaving you and we're going to start dating again, you're not just like, well, I'm leaving you. She's saying, I want you to – well, I guess she literally said this actually so I could shut up.

31:02Ronnie Karam: But she's saying, I want you to be interested in me and pursue me and take me out on dates and make an effort and show me that you want to be with me. And if it takes you showing me that you want to be with me as a girlfriend, you know, you wanted to be with me back then. So maybe we can do that. Then maybe we'll fall back in love. There's one side of it. But I also believe that she never really had any intention of that.

31:26Ben Mandelker: The one-year lease is crazy. One does not embark on a one-year lease as like, well, oops. Like if you're going to do a one month, you can just go to Airbnb. Like it's actually so doable. And she has the means. You know, they are, they do well with Bravo, I imagine. And like, if you're signing a one year lease and the whole idea is like, well, I'm only going to need it for a month. So you're just going to pay New York city rent for not for like 11, 10 months like that. But there's no one that just does that. Maybe she's thinking she could stop. I don't know what her thinking was. But the fact that she wanted to take that one-year lease and was fine with that one-year lease meant that she had no true intention of ever going back to Kyle.

32:16Ben Mandelker: And I wish she was just more honest with herself. Because I think she was attempting to come off as someone who was not being impulsive. I think she was trying to be like, unlike Kyle, I'm going to think this through. And it's like, you don't have to. Just leave him. Just leave him and start your new life.

32:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So at the beginning, I thought, okay, this is what she's saying she wants. But yeah, then her actions after were like, you're clearly leaving him. So just leave. So Gavin knows that he's going to start a fight with this because this is a huge thing for Amanda. He knows that they've already had many knockdown drag outs about the DJ manager stuff. So he brings it up at dinner because, you know, they're on a reality show and stuff. And, of course, Kyle and Amanda know where their paycheck is coming from and immediately start fighting on cue. So we see a flashback to that. And Amanda's like, Kyle hasn't wanted to come home the day we started dating.

33:14Girl, I don't I'm not coming home either.

33:18Ronnie Karam: But Kyle never wanted to come home, you know, and that's God, I'm talking. I'm talking myself into other things. But also that was different when you're like 20-something. And you're like, maybe he'll grow out of it when we get married. I get that too. But I don't know. I'm just so sick of these two fighting. And I've taken both sides so many times, I don't even know where I stand anymore.

33:39Ben Mandelker: I understand when you're younger, you think you can change people. But let this be a lesson to people. When you see a red flag, respect the red flag. Acknowledge it. okay if he if the thing is like oh he used to never want to come home even when we started dating that's that is the that is your lesson in life to leave this person and then and then all of this can be all this pain can be saved or prevented that's true i mean there's also the saying you

34:10Ronnie Karam: know i mean i just say it but sometimes if you see a red flag make a quilt out of it meaning like yes that was a red flag but there is a way to be comforted by that you know you're going to have alone time because his ass is always going to be out i mean if you're someone who can enjoy that kind of thing if you want to be on the couch getting stoned watching tv like me you know that is how i've spent a lot of my life i would love a partner who's gone all the time and has a hobby that takes him away you know there's ways that you can look at things now that she did on and stuff like that um not great but i could say okay this man is going out all the time and doing this little gig i don't love it but i'm comforted by the fact that i can stay home alone and stuff i don't know i don't know about that one ronnie because it's like but you know i love some red flags too so i'm trying to talk to myself like it's okay i was like i don't know about this one

35:07Ben Mandelker: i love it i love that saying make it turn a red flag into a quilt but in this case like if you are liking that alone time it's not a red flag that's a green flag then you're saying oh we're totally compatible because he goes out he does his thing and i get to stay home i get to do like whatever i want to do on pinterest and then you know he comes home and then it's great and we you know like that's green flag a red flag is he's going out but i want him to come home but he's not he's not tending to my needs so like i don't think the right thing is to say well my needs i should just change what my needs are it's like no no you shouldn't right but his needs are clearly

35:47Ronnie Karam: going out and doing this which he's been doing ever since he met you and even before that so he doesn't want to sit home and get watch you get high all day while you watch love island like that's not what he needs either so you know she would see it as a red flag but what i'm saying is you're seeing it as a red flag but you should turn it into a quilt and realize that you just want to sit there and watch get high and watch tv anyway so fucking do just do that so it works but i don't

36:16Ben Mandelker: think that she does i think she's i think she's created that persona but obviously she got with west and now she's been like enjoying going out again and having fun but then again she also takes on the personas of people i think during courtship but yeah and she's doing her midlife crisis thing

36:30Ronnie Karam: where it's like i mean she's not midlife necessarily but i think she's going through that where it's like now she she's not 22 anymore and you know she's been on this show a whole decade taking the shit and so she wants the freedom to you know now it's a whole thing and you're like trying to impress a guy with like a lot of younger ish friends and you're like oh i feel young again so it's kind of her midlife crisis type thing yeah well i say if you see a

36:55Ben Mandelker: red flag you sell it on etsy and take that money and get yourself a nice little dinner by yourself yeah but that shit over that's what i said um where are we send it fedex just to piss people off instead of using dhl yes really send it dhl people like what is this from europe um so kyle's

37:17Ronnie Karam: like well yeah she says kyle's never wanted to come home and he's had late nights and been absolutely shit-faced since we decided to do a hard reset and he's like you're a hard reset consisted of you doing nothing nothing at all and he's already wasted and belligerent so and owen is like you know all this stuff about talking about what you've done in the past it's done so uh well says the guy like he's still married and in a in a relationship where the wife is like clearly still pissed like publicly what happened was the was his ex-wife complaint anyway I get why you would want to forget what happened.

37:57Ronnie Karam: You didn't even want to tell people when he got married or be clear with anybody about what was going on. We know you want to forget, sir. You know,

38:05Ben Mandelker: every time I see Owen, I feel like I shouldn't even say this. I feel like it's, it's like, I try not to comment on people's looks, but I feel like every time I see him, I feel like she looks a lot like the girl from hereditary. Do you know what I'm saying? Oh, um,

38:20Ronnie Karam: yeah.

38:20Ben Mandelker: I thought that was a scary movie. I never saw it. I just know the little girl from it. And now I can't unsee it. You know who I see? Nathan Lane. Nathan Lane and the girl from Hereditary together make Owen. Now it all makes sense.

38:36Ronnie Karam: I see Nathan Lane, especially because in his publicity photos, as I've mentioned a million times, he's wearing an ascot. And I just think that's hilarious. And that's very Nathan Lane, too. So I see Nathan Lane trying to play a straight guy.

38:49Ben Mandelker: It's not a commentary on. It's not like a diss or anything. It's just like, it's like when you see facial features that look like someone else's facial features, I'm like, oh my God, am I the one who sees that? And now knowing that it's actually two different celebrities mixed together, it's just so perfect. I'm really glad that I got that off my chest. It's been weighing on me for a few weeks now. I'm like, I have to say it. I have to say it. So anyway, Owen is asking if they've talked this morning and Kyle's like, well, I gave her a hug. I said, I care about you. I love you. And she's kind of like, well, act it.

39:20Ben Mandelker: so hence bag of power booty in the cart yeah i said you're still not gonna do it so you're gonna

39:28Ronnie Karam: still come on this vacation and then get shit-faced at night and start yelling at amanda like i mean come on you know you it's really hard to root for either one of these people so owen uh sorry you said that part um so then we see danielle and whitney shopping for cheese and uh danielle's like oh yeah by the way um the girls tonight they alluded to saying something along the lines of like using the single mom card i mean i know you surely you didn't say that that i was like that's not whitney whitney would never say something like that come on she's like yeah i said it because like she's like always playing the single mom card and i'm like okay like you can't always take the single mom card out of your big please just stop pulling the please stop pulling

40:15Ben Mandelker: the single mom card out of your bag. Danielle's like, and I definitely am not using this information to mend my situation with Lindsay by making you her new enemy. So just tell me more about this. Tell me more about your feelings about single mom cards. So Whitney is like, Yeah, I mean, when we offered the primary suite to Yvonne and Nick, Lindsay was like, but I'm a single mom and we deserve the room and everyone's going through shit. For instance, I lost my bag the other day And that was really sad And you'd think that if Yeah, the bag was lost Okay, I had to get a whole new bag We're all going through shit It was my favorite bag Oh

40:57Ronnie Karam: It's like, yeah, everybody's going through shit And if you think you want to take steps forward In your relationship with your best friend It would have been such a small thing to do They already got married They've been married I'm so sick of this having to kiss the ass of people who have already been married for a couple of years as Lindsay said last week

41:20Ben Mandelker: I mean we're celebrating their civil ceremony it's happened enough times and I don't think they need to be given a whole room for a whole weekend because there was a spat at their at their dinner it sucked for sure but like enough is enough and really I'm not even going to be mad at Yvonne for this this was Kenny doing some bullshit This was Kenny putting people together. He was being manipulative as usual. So Danielle's like, well, the thing is, you use the words single mom card, and they're going to hold on to that, you know, because they're single moms, you know. Yeah, but you don't use that card.

41:55Ronnie Karam: You don't use the I'm sick of single moms card on single moms who are using the card.

42:01Ben Mandelker: You don't do that. There are certain cards that are very, very potent in life. Single moms card is a really good one. there's there are a lot of really good ones a lot of good ones the single mom card yeah it's hard to it's hard to fight the single mom card especially when like I know Whitney you're going to be using it soon enough like what if you have a child with me you will be the queen of this you'll have an oversized one like on the game show card shark you'll be just coming out with a giant card Like single mom card over here. It's going to happen.

42:40Ronnie Karam: Well, I like that. I knew I figured she was going to use the baby card 100%. But I love that you already graduated her to single mom. You're like, yeah, you're going to have a baby in this man.

42:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah, you're right.

42:51Ronnie Karam: I did. I did. You just moved her up. And I kind of like it because I think at some point she's going to be like, oh, this guy's smile is not true. and he's a fucking controlling asshole at some point she's gonna see it um i don't know some people stay with that forever who knows but that's i like that you graduated her already but for sure when she when she gets pregnant she will be using that car and so will kenny kenny will be like whoa whoa whoa whoa my wife is pregnant no he's gonna say we're going on the plane first we are cutting in line at the movies we are we're gonna do we get the first glass of wine poured okay well i mean that's not good when you're kenny's gonna be the kind of hook at it for himself he'll be like i'm gonna be a dad i'm first i i'm gonna tell you this right now

43:44Ben Mandelker: kenny is gonna be the sort of guy who says we're pregnant we're pregnant yes he's gonna say we're pregnant i'm like no you're not pregnant she's pregnant and doing all the work you're like buying a baby rattle. And then you're going to be complaining like Luke on the Valley. So don't say we're pregnant. Yes, he's definitely going to be one of those.

44:04Ronnie Karam: So when he's like, well, because Danielle's saying they're going to hold on to that you said that. Like you cannot say single mom crunch. She goes, yeah, I know they're going to hold on to it. That's what makes me feel frustrated. She's like, yeah, especially Georgina. Like, you know, Georgina felt a certain way about it. it's like well it's funny because they both use it as an excuse it's like they both have nannies like not everyone is a single mom has help i mean they also need to check themselves in that perspective excuse me so now you're going to be calling out people for privilege you literally just shipped three wooden balls across the country along with 30 boxes of shit for a shoebox new york apartment i mean it's a decent size apartment but you know a new york size apartment lady i don't Stop it.

44:51Ronnie Karam: Your personality is pumpkin spice. Stop, you basic ass.

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47:47Ben Mandelker: I will say there definitely are people who use the mom card. or even the dad card, but I'll just say there are people who definitely use and abuse the mom card. Let's not act like this does not happen. There are people who go out of control with it. And Lindsay, for sure, this season's like, well, as a mom, as a mom. But I actually honestly don't feel like she's used it as a card. I think she's just drawn a lot of attention to that because it's her current lived experience. And a lot of times, especially with new moms, they bring everything back to that. I know that may be not nice to hear for some people, but like, honestly, it happens.

48:23Ronnie Karam: Well, we all do it with whatever we're going through. It's a CrossFit.

48:26Ben Mandelker: It's a CrossFit or like doing, going like, I don't know.

48:30Ronnie Karam: CrossFit is like a hobby. It's not a, it's not a living screaming thing that's shitting all over you and pooping all over you and change your body and change your whole, you know.

48:41Ben Mandelker: But when there's something that's big in your life, you, people do bring the conversation over. So that is a thing that happens. But there's a difference between talking a lot about being a mom and using the mom card. And I don't know. I do actually really see Lindsay and Georgina as deserving that room. I feel like we've seen them all season. Especially Georgina. Sounds like she is knee deep in these kids. And she's a working doctor. It doesn't take away from what Lindsay does. But she is busy. And they're dealing with exes. I don't know. I think these were like, it was like, I think a very strong use of the mom card for those women.

49:22Ronnie Karam: I don't think, I think you're right that they weren't using it. I haven't seen them say anything like, wow, I'm a mom, so blah, blah, blah. And I don't think they used it for this room either. She was the host of the trip. And she was like, we're going to take this main room because we're exhausted. We have mom. Like we have kids. Like who cares? Also, Amanda suggested they take it. and yeah i don't another thing and i said this on crappy hour so sorry to repeat to anybody who's already heard it what are they fighting over with this room this room is the bed's not even that like you're still sleeping with somebody you know what i mean yeah it's not like it's not so much luxury you're still gonna be stuck in the bed with somebody and that sucks i think so i wouldn't have even chosen that room and they didn't make a huge fight out of it she just said i'm taking in this room because we're moms and they kind of backed off and now Whitney's all upset about it

50:15Ben Mandelker: and it didn't even really involve her yeah why was Whitney upset that's my thing I think that she was upset because probably Kenny Kenny probably like riled her up yeah I think Kenny probably riled her up he's like well you know I had a plan but of course Lindsay comes in and she decides what's she gonna do and then you know Whitney's just gonna parent what Kenny is saying yeah and then she's saying stuff you know and then he's quiet during all this he's like not saying you know it's like when he's out there saying this stuff about the mom card and kenny just sits there and watches her just get railroaded by this cast that's a hundred percent coming from

50:49Ronnie Karam: kenny the mom card thing and because kenny is a reality he's he's got the kind of personality that is born for reality tv and that he is never going to forget the first thing that you did to him and that is a classic real housewives thing like people who've watched real housewives someone on the same Real Housewives show for a decade and they're fighting in the 10th season with somebody about a very specific thing. It's never about that thing. It's always about the first thing that that person did to them that they're still getting revenge about now. You know? And I feel like Kenny is that way.

51:24Ronnie Karam: If Lindsay's like, okay, we're cool now, right? And he's like, oh, sure, we're cool. And then he's gonna, you know, turn everybody against Lindsay and manipulate his way into doing it. And I think Whitney is just kind of an idiot prop in his game.

51:40Ben Mandelker: You know? Yep. I think so. And so she's saying this stuff about the nannies. I think what she's trying to say is, like, they're acting like they're so exhaustive. They've got nannies taking care of everything. But I don't think that's true. I think they've got care. They've got child care. So that way they can work. And it's not like they're living in some palatial mansion. And there's, like, three nannies. and they like send the baby they spend all day playing mahjong and then like the baby gets brought in for 45 minutes and then the help goes and takes them out again it's not like that it's like they need they have nannies that way they can go and do a rigorous job like they go do their work and lindsey does her influencing her public appearances and georgina goes and does dermatology things and then they come back and then they're back from work and then they're on mom duty you You know, it's like, even if there were no nanny, even if they had men who were there in their lives, it's still the same amount of work.

52:39Ben Mandelker: It's still hard. I never look at a mom who is a non-single mom and be like, oh, well, she has it easy because there's a guy. The way that you would say, oh, well, she has a nanny, so she has it easy. Why does it make it easier if she has a nanny versus if she had a guy? If she has a guy or another lady, let's be honest, you would be like, oh, wow, they're going through it because they've got a newborn. And you would feel it for both of them. But like all of a sudden there's a nanny there and you're not supposed to feel it. Like all of a sudden it's supposed to be 10 times easier because there's someone dedicated to that.

53:13Ben Mandelker: It doesn't work that way.

53:14Ronnie Karam: It's just not Whitney's place to say, especially as someone who is like in a new relationship without a kid and doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about. And I normally don't like when people argue, well, you don't know because you don't have a kid about random things. You know what I mean? Where they're like, oh, you don't understand, you know, proper love. You don't understand love because you don't have a kid. You know, things like that. That usually bugs the fuck out of me. But this is a situation where you don't understand because you don't fucking have a kid. I don't have a kid. So I don't really understand.

53:44Ronnie Karam: But all my friends, I'm like my sister, my family, everybody with kids that I'm around a lot for. Having a kid isn't just something you pass off and then you forget about. It changes your whole life. You're always going to be bugged by the nanny or you're always going to be bugged by the nanny. someone's always going to be like, well, how's so-and-so? What are they doing? And you're always thinking what they have to do when you get home or what you're going to have to do the next second of the day. And for someone to be like, well, they have nannies. Shut the fuck up. Like, who are you to say that?

54:11Ronnie Karam: And I can't believe that she never really backs down from it. Really? She says, I'm sorry, but she doesn't ever come to any kind of understanding. That's just wild to me that especially as a woman, you don't know that you don't say that to another woman. Like, what the hell? I even know as a boy, you don't say that shit to somebody.

54:33Ben Mandelker: It's nuts. I say this as someone who categorically does not like children. I'm empathetic to this. But I think that with Whitney, she's maybe also not using her words correctly, which is shocker. And as she elaborates later, is that she thought that the whole house was going to be behind putting Nick and Yvonne in the master bedroom to be like, You just got married. It's sort of a honeymoon thing. This would be a nice thing. And to her it was like, oh, Lindsay just wants a nice room because Lindsay just wants a nice room. And rather than letting Yvonne do this nice thing, Lindsay then hides behind this shield of like, well, I'm a mom.

55:13Ben Mandelker: So you can't even come at me for that. I think that's kind of what she's trying to say, but she's not saying it the right way.

55:20Ronnie Karam: I think another level, and God, we're really talking this one to death, but I think another level of this might be Whitney being annoyed, whether consciously or subconsciously, that people is another example of people not really celebrating couples. And this is her whole life. I mean, she was a person on The Bachelor, which is just obsessed. That whole thing, like these love shows, they're all the same, but it's people who, it's like the single focus. The only, the thing that makes you whole in life is having a partner and being in a couple. And that's okay. I mean, that's this nature, Right. So that's OK.

55:56Ronnie Karam: But I think when you're when you're like that and you just moved across the country for somebody, you have people questioning it at the beginning of the season. And then you have people not really respecting your relationship or questioning the guy that you're with or whatever. So you're thinking this is the most important thing to me. Like I finally found somebody and now I'm in a I'm a girlfriend and I moved to a different city. and to you in your mind, like you just won something and no one's respecting it. And then she goes to this wedding party for Nick and Yvonne, Nick and Yvonne, and no one's really respecting that.

56:33Ronnie Karam: And I think part of her is like, what the hell? Like we, we're in the couples. Why aren't we being celebrated? Summer house, you get the master bedroom when you're a couple. And here it's like the single moms are the ones being celebrated. I mean, I think there might be a little of that subconsciously.

56:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that definitely could be, yeah, there could be almost like a jealousy happening there for her on that front. But either way, she's really stepped in it. And I'm sure she's getting it from all sides of the internet, too, by the way. oh she's gotta be yeah because she just comes across as so sweet the rest of the season

57:12Ronnie Karam: i mean and i saw her on bachelor i covered her season of bachelor i mean she didn't really i didn't even remember it to be honest i had to look i had to look up myself covering the season but i did cover it and i didn't think that she was like a very non-offensive sweet person so yeah i i think it's just surprising to a lot of people like what the hell lady

57:34Ben Mandelker: bam yeah so uh then uh another group the the afterwards after all this shopping etc um they are all decided to go apple picking and so uh they're split up into cars and they go to this place called brooklyn that's in connecticut and um amanda is uh she tells us that last night When I went upstairs last night It was like My body was like fully shaking And I could not stop Like I couldn't catch my breath Like I've never felt that way before And I think that my body For the first time Was like bitch Get out Get it together Get out But then This is what I do I compartmentalize

58:26Ronnie Karam: You already did get out

58:28Ben Mandelker: That's what I'm thinking

58:30Ronnie Karam: While you're getting out, why don't you pack up your shit and get your shit out as well?

58:35Ben Mandelker: Compartmentalize all your clothes into some luggage or some boxes.

58:44Ronnie Karam: I don't feel for you at this point. You already left. I'm not going to cry for you. Shut up. Just already. Both of you, shut up. You and Kyle.

58:54Ben Mandelker: The other group is going to apple picking. There's two cars. And so Lexi's saying, I was a little shocked by that whole single mom card as an excuse. Oh, yes, you should not have said that. As a married woman, you should not say that. And Lindsay's like, oh, what's this girl's beef with me? Like, when have I ever looked at Whitney and been like, I'm a single mom.

59:14Ronnie Karam: I'm a single mom. I'm a single mom. I mean, to say that to me, I'm a single mom. And Lexi's like, yeah, I know. and so Whitney's like well I guess you probably don't know but I said something to Lexi and I heard it's already gotten back to Lindsay that she used the single mom card and

59:40Ben Mandelker: Danielle's like well can we just like can we just like stop for a white flag on can we just like not do this and Kenny's like look it has nothing to do with single moms nothing to do with like you not liking single moms clearly everyone likes a single mom show me one person in the world that's like i don't like a single mom okay we just don't think they deserve nice accommodations show me one person

1:00:05Ronnie Karam: that says they don't like a single mom have you ever listened to a presidential debate or like any kind of any kind of policy have you ever met a policymaker yeah a policymaker in dc have you ever met one of them because i don't know like have you ever watched murphy brown you know what

1:00:24Ben Mandelker: i mean yeah like it's called dan quayle okay we'll put it right out there that was the first time i

1:00:31Ronnie Karam: was um aware of it because i was just a kid you know when that came on and i was watching all that and then the vice president is coming out and saying all this and a woman needs a man and then and it's been going on forever and it's still going on so to pretend like nobody everybody is just you know treats single moms like heroes and puts them on a pedestal is fucking crazy kenny and i love that you're setting your girlfriend up to have this fight with everybody else like this war by proxy and now you have to step in and remind her how she's supposed to be wording it he's like yeah yeah it's not about being a single mom though so she's he's trying to like veer her on different paths she's already done for she's already cooked buddy there's no helping now when he starts to

1:01:13Ben Mandelker: explain, well, it's more just like she thinks she's more important. That's like the bottom line. That's what I'm getting at. And then we cut over to Georgina, and she's like, it's not even that it's shameful that she's saying this and that she's a mom. It's shameful that she's saying this, and she's a woman. And Whitney's like, it's like enough. Enough is enough. Her friends are scared of her. I'm scared of her. And Lindsay's like, I mean, if she thinks I was intimidating before, I guess she hasn't met me today, because I'm a single mom.

1:01:41Ronnie Karam: I'm an extremely intimidating single mom Yeah, you're scared of Whitney I mean, you're scared of Lindsay We're all scared of Lindsay That's why you love Lindsay You know? That's her You can be scared of her and still have a great time Like enjoying her personality, you know? Come on, with it Whitney

1:02:02Ben Mandelker: Yeah, so they get to this apple orchard They start apple picking And of course, here's a classic Ben thing That I got annoyed about At one point, Amanda has pulled off an apple with the branch still attached to it, like a full-on branch and some leaves. And they're like, Kyle's like, you got the whole damn branch. He goes, it doesn't matter. It's an aesthetic thing. So I went apple picking a few years ago. And they tell you explicitly that when you pick apples, you twist them. So that way they just come off the branch and you don't take the whole branch because otherwise you can actually really damage Donald the branch, but like the tree's production.

1:02:43Ben Mandelker: And I was like, this is so Amanda that she just like carelessly and thoughtlessly yanks the apple off the tree, pulling a whole branch with it, jeopardizing this entire plant's ability to produce. And she's like, whatever, it looks nice. I'm like, see, this is where we are fundamentally different. Like her lack of care for that apple and that apple tree bothered me so much in that fleeting exchange oh my god drove me nuts yeah

1:03:14Ronnie Karam: and lindsey is not letting you're like i would just yank it no no no i know how to pick an apple i was surprised that that was your thing actually because i thought your thing was going to be you don't just pick them off and start immediately eating them that's what i was thinking i was like aren't they sprayed with stuff like shouldn't you at least wipe them off on your shirt or I don't know. I was thinking chemicals. Those things are grown in poop. You have to wash it.

1:03:40Ben Mandelker: I just assume a bat has sat there and pooped on it at some point. By the way, I asked what happens if you yank an apple off a tree, and the internet says, yanking an apple off a tree, instead of gently twisting it, can damage the tree by ripping the fruiting spur. The small woody knob that produces next year's blossoms, this forceful tear leaves the tree vulnerable to pests and disease, while dropping the fruit can cause bruising and immediate spoilage. So thanks a lot, Amanda, for taking your whole branch off and not listening to the instructions. Seriously, you literally killed like a family tree.

1:04:13Ben Mandelker: I'm calling that shit out. I'm an apple advocate.

1:04:17Ronnie Karam: Amanda. You know, Amanda's become such a villain in pop culture lately. It's like, Amanda didn't just eat an apple. She killed an ecosystem.

1:04:26Ben Mandelker: Get her! Friend to no apple, Amanda.

1:04:32Ronnie Karam: So Lindsay is not letting any of this go. And so they're all at the apple orchard now. And she's like, well, thank you for welcoming you to this apple orchard. But as moms, we have a lot of hands to do a lot of things with. We're very busy moms because we're moms. And now we have the big apples and we are single moms. Get it, Whitney? Whitney's just like, she's really going for it. Whitney's like, oh.

1:04:56Ben Mandelker: So then they're picking apples. They have a little game. Whoever gets the biggest apple doesn't have to clean up after dinner. Andrea wins. It's very exciting. So they all get their apples. And then they all go, they all basically sort of settle in around a fire to hang out and chat. And Lindsay is like, I'm going to go. I'm going to sit in the car because it's absolutely freezing. Because she basically just does not want to be around Whitney.

1:05:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And it also is freezing. And it's, you know, a natural fire. They're just like throwing probably too big of logs in there. They're like sticking way out. I'm not going to sit in that fucking smoke. Get the fuck out of here. So she's like, bye. So she leaves. And then Amanda asks if she's okay. And Georgina's like, I don't think so. You know, she's not in the best of places right now. Whitney, to be honest, she's a little disappointed in what she heard you say to Lexi about how you said that Lindsay was playing the single mom part about the rooms. which she also said about Georgina, right?

1:06:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Didn't she say they were both doing it? So I thought it was interesting that Georgina fought for Lindsay instead of herself. It was primarily directed at Lindsay

1:06:09Ben Mandelker: because Lindsay was the one who took the harder stance about it. And so Whitney is like, well, I want to address it with her, but it had nothing to do specifically with demeaning being a single mom. It was just about her relationship with Yvonne. And I have a different standard for friends. And I thought it would have been really nice to even just like have a gesture of getting the main pick of the house of like getting the primary and that's yeah she has a different standard for friends that's whitney is doing it this is not

1:06:37Ronnie Karam: to come back to her at all no yes oh well that is not that is not a good way to put it whitney also why does georgina get free of all this like why is lindsey always the you know the one that everyone calls a bitch like georgina was also like we are single moms and we're gonna take this room like why is everybody jumping on i guess because they've been wanting to get lindsey for the whole season and georgina's come across as fairly non-offensive to them but i don't think that's fair either get georgina too then drag her in so we see a flashback to kenny saying to ivana nick you guys kind of had your wedding night hijacked yo so i was thinking you know to make up for it we can give you guys the first pick of whatever room you want of the house well you you planned this trip with lindsey you're not the only host of this trip yeah it's that just really just speaks

1:07:31Ben Mandelker: to his his uh obnoxiousness that he's just like yeah you're a co-host but it's gonna be my i'm gonna call all the shots and that's why he's inherently threatened by lindsey because she challenges this idea that he can be the alpha in all situations like that a that like there's another alpha in the group and that b the other alpha is a woman and i think he really struggles with that which is why i really love what georgina says in a few minutes so then whitney um is just like well it always feels like lindsey has an excuse and like it everyone bows down to lindsey and like i'm sick of watching it and georgina's like where do you get off saying that lindsey doesn't go around saying i'm a single mom so i get this i'm a single mom so i get that and kenny's like but that's exactly what she did though and she's like no it's not what she did and so then And Kenny's like, no, it's what she did.

1:08:16Ben Mandelker: It's what she did. And so now we see a flashback. And Lindsay says, so Georgina and I are going to take the primary. And Kenny goes, oh, is that right? Yeah, because we're two moms that have not been away from our kids for a while. So we're going to take it.

1:08:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And again, to me, that's not really playing a card. It's just saying, yeah, we're taking it because we're fucking exhausted. I mean, if anybody wants to fight about it, then say, no, they just got married. And I think they should get the single room and have a fight about it. But nobody even said anything. And then they're like, we're not scared of Lindsay. Oh, fucking grow a parrot. This is called in the city. You're like New Yorkers.

1:08:52Ben Mandelker: What I would have done is said, like, we totally get that. But, like, the other rooms, all the rooms are just as comfortable. But this room is more romantic. And we felt like the most romantic room should go for the couple that's, like, celebrating their new union. Like, say that.

1:09:07Ronnie Karam: Say anything. Literally say anything. But to not say a darn thing and then get so upset behind her back is stupid.

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