#3454: In the City S1E9 Part Two: House of Mom Cards

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2:36Ben Mandelker: This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

2:46Ronnie Karam: so um kenny's like but the reasoning if you if you say the reasoning is because you're a mom then you're pulling the mom card okay that's just a fact and she's like okay whatever kenny right right he's like it's a cop-out and whitney's like i have so much respect for her as a mom it has nothing to do with that dronina goes but you said she has extra help with a nanny so like

3:10Ben Mandelker: she has more time than other mothers so you actually said that when he goes who cares because I care. I care. She cares. Mother cares. Mother's care. That apple cares. When you one day, I hope you have kids and you understand.

3:22Ronnie Karam: And Yvonne tries to jump in. She's like, well, I think that moment was overshadowed when I was called the bitch at my wedding or whatever. And Georgina's like, no, no, I'm not done, Yvonne. And I'm not done talking, okay? So to go and say she's pulling the single mom card is something that is so disgusting to women and moms all over. And she's like, but it wasn't about that, Georgina. It's literally about that. How is it not about that?

3:44Ben Mandelker: and she's like i'm sorry that you feel riled up from it but i'm trying to explain to you you're not listening and kyle's like can i just say something and amanda thankfully goes kyle not your battle shut up kyle shut up kyle kyle shut up that was actually goes and stabs the tree it's like starting a tree on fire yeah so jordina's like when we were driving we're sitting with amanda and she was like wouldn't it be really nice for you guys to have that room because you know you guys are like moms who have kids at home and you're and you're getting a break and i felt like wow that is really nice so i haven't gone away without my kids in two fucking years when he's like i know what the point is this i feel like she should have been like a better friend with ivan that's all like the cats out of the big what can i say that's how i really feel

4:28Ronnie Karam: then ivan can fucking say something about it whitney it's not what it's about it's about you doing kenny's dirty work so cut it out and she's like crying now she's all upset and kenny's like it was an opportunity for her to bury the hatchet and she chose violence so now he's you're so transparent you're so new with this and so transparent you are going to get raked over the coals if you guys get another season lindsey's lindsey lindsey's gonna get you back and she's

4:57Ben Mandelker: been doing this a lot longer and note that this is kenny this is kenny's basically advocating on Yvonne's behalf right here saying that Lindsay chose violence instead of burying the hatchet. And Georgina is like, noted. Okay, well, I'm going to go because I don't think anyone here understands my point either. And I also, despite your explanation, I don't understand why you felt the need to insert yourself here. It was none of your business talking about something that was none of your business. She goes, well, everyone always inserts themselves in my shit, especially Lindsay. She goes, well, you're right, and we've stopped when you asked us to stop.

5:28Ben Mandelker: And she's like, no, I don't think that she stopped. I don't think that she stopped about anybody. And Andrea's like, okay so we're gonna roll back with Georgina and Lindsay I guess oh god I think this whole

5:40Ronnie Karam: Lindsay's been in my business she was sticking up for you and that whole first episode Lindsay was like this girl moved all the way across the country for you that's pretty serious like you but you need to take this seriously right she wasn't saying like what kind of psycho moves across the country she was like trying to stand up to you and stand up for you and tell this guy like don't treat this don't treat this girl like some you know idiot that you met at a bar and that you're just going to treat like shit like this girl moved across the country for you

6:12Ben Mandelker: she literally was not in their business at all she just advocated going off of basic behaviors of girls and boys and how they act and she just was like yeah she just made this big sacrifice so don't fuck it up Kenny and now he's the one who whipped it into a whole thing of like she's trying to undermine mind why is she talking about that trying to make me look like i'm a she and gavin are trying to make me look like a fuck boy and how could they do this and no one understands me yada yada yada just going on and on and on and on she was not meddling i mean like if she was meddling with anyone it was lindsey and owen and even that i don't think she was meddling that much i think she just did a simple google search so the but whitney says this because kenny has kind of like brainwashed her at this point kenny has probably reiterated the narrative over and over and over again over every single meal every single coffee every single croissant he's like oh lindsey well she's a meddler she just wants to like she wants to get her minions to come after people she doesn't like she's a meddler and and so now she's just parroting things and let's not forget that he said

7:12Ronnie Karam: it's giving man hating it's giving man hater or whatever so yeah that's who we're talking about so she's like well she hasn't stopped talking about anybody so georgine is like you know i I think to Kenny and Whitney, she's like, I think the two of you just don't like women as a couple. And I was like, what are you talking about? That's so fucked, Georgina. It's really fucked up.

7:39Ben Mandelker: Meanwhile, again, as you just mentioned, Kenny is the one who said Lindsay was a man hater. But all of a sudden, I guess turned on them. They're not happy. I love this because there have been a lot of times I've felt like there have been people on Bravo where I'm like, oh, you just don't like women. it's just like you have and like you don't you don't like women and but it's never really been verbalized on bravo or to anyone especially not to anyone's face and so i love that georgina just threw this back at them because i actually kind of feel that way about kenny i feel that i think the reason why kenny is so perturbed about lindsey is that i think he's uncomfortable with a woman being so assertive and speaking her mind and i think that's a real issue it's gonna be like

8:16Ronnie Karam: duh you know whatever can i just have more closet space like i really care about making toast on the internet and there's nothing wrong with being that kind of person either but he's like clearly a person who wants to control and she's you know not the strongest personality and you know

8:36Ben Mandelker: yeah i think that lynn i think that whitney sees lindsey as someone who upsets the natural order of like what the gender roles are and so they both have sort of like a negative reaction i think it's like less so on whitney i think it's really just kenny and then i think whitney is just kind of impressionable she's like a blank canvas well um yeah and you know that's this stuff is problematic

8:57Ronnie Karam: too being like oh and then you have this dumb you know it sounds like saying like you know then he has this dumb bimbo that he can just pour thoughts into and this and that it's like i don't mean it as like dumb woman i mean it is like dumb ass person you know there's all there's controllers and there are people who are going to be controlled and they can be either sex and right now kenny is a controller and this girl's just a dodo bird who's yeah you know like i listen like i've got a couple and now i'm in the city and i'm on this tv show again like you know she's i don't

9:34Ben Mandelker: I don't think Whitney is dumb. I mean, I think that her video about how to make toast was very informative.

9:42Ronnie Karam: And the toast wasn't just toast. It was gluten-free toast. You know, that's not the easiest shit to manipulate. She really expanded boundaries there.

9:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah. She, like, she showed us something.

9:51Ronnie Karam: She's really frontiering it. So Whitney's like, yeah, I hate moms and women. Okay, that's so dumb. Are you kidding me?

10:01Ben Mandelker: so then lindsey's in the car and she's talking with frank the milkman planning a date which i was so disappointed for lindsey about that i was like lindsey you you really can do so much better than this guy i mean i feel like i feel like he's like actively melting on camera and so uh

10:17Ronnie Karam: like you're on bravo you don't know that this man was a kelly is on the kelly dodd roster like how do you not know that why would you think that that's a good no just google him

10:29Ben Mandelker: what about this guy, the way he talks, the way he moves, everything says, oh, this will be a good choice for me. Like, no, you could do so much better, Lindsay.

10:38Ronnie Karam: You meet someone out, and he's good looking, but you're like, what do you do? And he's like, yeah, we really, we wanted to play on the whole sexy milkman thing. So, you know, that's what I do. I created a milkman company for sexy milkmen. Who talks to somebody like that and is like, you know what? it's him i'm gonna go i'm gonna go and not like for her husband but like even to even to talk to again who wants to hear more about your sexy milkman company

11:12Ben Mandelker: yeah i really i really can't with this guy it's just it's not it's not happening for me um so she's in there and then so georgina comes back and she says yeah you missed a whole bunch of stuff and then um uh then everyone's like we're just gonna go back to the house and do friendsgiving except for kyle kyle of course stands in the corner of this apple orchard and peas and uh we watch as the wind blows his stream of pee to the left i'm like you know you're there's bathrooms here you're like you don't have to pee in public in every single place like you okay backyard of your own house fine but like you're at an orchard like inside they've got

11:56Ronnie Karam: bathrooms for you and also for anyone who you know doubts that kyle is constantly drunk i don't think there's anyone there that peace stream is huge i mean that is just that's a horse peace stream the guy just that's a lot of the grass is drunk the grass is your face now so they all go back of the house and they're in the cars or whatever and Georgina's like, why can't Whitney just say you're right and I shouldn't have brought the mom thing into it? I mean, what the hell? It was disrespectful towards mothers and I'm sorry. And Yvonne's like, yeah, that was really intense. And Gavin is saying, yeah, I was like, I don't even want to get involved in this conversation.

12:34Ronnie Karam: I'm like, wow. I mean, Whitney was getting harassed though. Whoa, Whitney. God, she sure got harassed.

12:41Ben Mandelker: And Whitney's like, I'm not wrong and just like no one else will say anything to Lindsay. And Kenny's like, well, I'll speak up for you every single time. But note that I said nothing during that entire exchange with Georgina. Nothing. Yeah, exactly.

12:54Ronnie Karam: I just sat there and smiled and watched it. So he says he's on Whitney's side, of course, because they're a couple. But he's, you know, or Lindsay and him are in a better place, but he's always going to have Whitney's side because they're in a couple. and so um he says yeah and i also know that lindsey has issues with whitney well now she does yeah exactly and who caused those issues whitney isolate so it's back at the head typical yeah typical move kenny you know don't let her become friends with these women because the second she does they're gonna put ideas into her head so let me make sure she's cordoned off

13:36Ben Mandelker: right so they get back to the house and they start like working on dinner when he goes upstairs to freshen up and everything andrea starts doing the tape apparently this is like a big skill for him is that he makes tablescapes and we see him he does set the table very very nicely he does like that the tablecloth well he has like some sort of line in the middle he does some folding he has like decor like he's really good at a tablescape where'd all that stuff come from i don't know

14:03Ronnie Karam: but he's really good at it did he bring all that stuff there it's like i would have did escape good for him so um it looks nice and then um let's see everybody's just getting drinks and getting ready and preparing dinner so now we go to the dinner part and lindsey is very like okay we need to divide in longer otherwise we're not gonna eat and she really takes charge in that kitchen i was surprised to see that from lindsey i didn't know she was a cook yeah uh she i mean

14:32Ben Mandelker: we've seen her make her pineapple upside down cake. Upside down pineapple.

14:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah.

14:36Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's like her big thing. But I thought that was going to, I thought it was like she was like a one trick pony. Like that was like her thing. She just takes cake mix and puts the pineapples on it and then it's like, look at me, I've got my pineapple cake. That's why I was surprised too,

14:47Ronnie Karam: because that seems very like Betty Crocker, you know, cookbook that you learn in junior high and then that's her thing and she does it for everything. So I was surprised too.

14:57Ben Mandelker: Yeah, yeah. She really, she really killed it. Good for you, Lindsay. Very, very impressed. so but of course the fighting still has to continue on about this topic and so Whitney walks in Lindsay's there and Lindsay's like well Whitney why don't you clear this up like now that you're here you have a lot to say about me as a mom she's like well it has nothing to do with you being a single mom like I have so much respect for you and Georgina regarding that topic the way like I can imagine you guys just like walking into a CVS and like just browsing through all those cards and picking out your favorite ones and using them nonstop.

15:37Ben Mandelker: You guys are great moms for that.

15:41Ronnie Karam: She's like, um, well then why would you say I'm playing the single mom card? Is it because like what you did say when I said, why don't we give the room to Yvonne and Nick? I mean, what did you say? And she's like, well, I said we're going to take this room because we're two moms who are away from their kids the first time on a trip. She goes, yeah, but exactly though. She goes, but you said I was playing the victim. She goes, but you just said that that's what you said. First of all, she didn't say single in that. And Lindsay's like, no, I've never said I'm a single mom. I need this room. I said, we're two moms.

16:13Ronnie Karam: But that's essentially what you said, though. It's like the same thing. She's like, no, it's not. Yes, it is. So Kenny jumps in because Whitney is terrible at this. So Kenny's like, OK, so if you say I get the room because I'm a mom, isn't that playing the mom card? See, he's taking the single out of it. You see? Because he knows. He's readjusting. So she goes, yeah. And she goes, well, then what's wrong with me saying that? Well, because I can play the mom guard whenever I want then. So how about that?

16:42Ben Mandelker: So then Woody's like, well, that's fine. And Kenny's like, but she can't state the fact. Like, she wasn't just stating a fact. She was weaponizing it to be like, look at how obnoxious she is. Because we were going to all do something so nice. And Lindsay doesn't care about her friends. She only cares about herself. That's what she was saying.

16:59Ronnie Karam: She also added in single, which does make it different. They're playing the single mom card. That makes it different. That makes it more offensive.

17:08Ben Mandelker: So Lindsay's like, well, what you can't do is call it a card. And Kenny's like, I mean, and when he goes, but you just called it a card. Because, I mean, Lindsay just did. I can play the mom card whenever I want.

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19:13Ben Mandelker: So Lexi's like, hi, I'm like the quiet bone keeper of the season. And I'd like to also add that you made the comment about the nanny. So we can also discuss that. Yeah.

19:24Ronnie Karam: But that's exactly what she said, Lexi. I'm honestly getting busy with you, Lexi, because I thought I could open up to you. I said nothing about my nanny. And what does my nanny have to do with anything? It's like, but it doesn't though. You brought it up, Whitney. I mean, if you're going to say this stuff, at least be able to make the argument. Like, Lindsay, it's not fair that we're on a group trip and that we were going to give the room to somebody else. And you said, you know, you take your mom and that takes precedence over everything. That's what I meant. And I don't think it should take precedence.

19:56Ronnie Karam: Like, stand up for what you're saying.

20:00Ben Mandelker: So then Gavin, who just said at the orchard that Lindsay had a chance to bury the hatchet, but instead she chose violence. He turns to Lindsay and goes, you didn't do anything wrong.

20:16Ronnie Karam: He's like, thank you. And Kenny sees this and he's like, oh, thanks. Nice contribution, Gavin. Appreciate that. You know, so it's like, okay, at first you were mad about her pulling the mom card. Now you're shifting to the nanny comment. Yes, Kenny, because it was all in the same conversation. It was like two lines apart.

20:36Ben Mandelker: so Lindsay's like my issue is that there's like a lot of judgment coming from Whitney but the comment that what was she was surprised at you not prioritizing your relationship with Yvonne and Kenny's like that's just I mean it just would have been a good gesture because like when I brought it up in the car and she goes it was a great gesture but it was unanimous in the car but what was also a great gesture was Amanda also making a gesture for Georgina and I that we didn't even think about ourselves We didn't realize we had the cards. We brought the cards with us to Connecticut.

21:09Ronnie Karam: And Amanda's like, I'm getting out of here. It's too much drama for me. Okay, Amanda. Everyone has listened to you like yell and cry for years. Okay? And the second it's anyone else, you're like, God, this is just so much drama. I'm going to go do a puzzle in the dining room because this is just so awkward. And she doesn't stand up and say, yeah, I told Lindsay they should take the room because they're moms. Why not? thanks Amanda huge help by the way Lindsay's been standing up for your stupid ass for how long now and getting railed all over the internet and you can't even admit that you said this one completely innocent thing yeah seriously so she goes and starts working on a jigsaw puzzle with um Amanda

21:51Ben Mandelker: and Owen and uh they are like laughing about like wow we don't even like each other but looks like uh being out of the line of fire brings us together right isn't that hilarious us isn't that so funny so lindsey's like well when we have the conversation about beth's dumb fucking rooms i'm not thinking about yvonne in that moment and kenny's like georgina do you genuinely think that we hate women or is that just your dumb woman brain saying those things

22:19Ronnie Karam: i'm sorry uh it was a woman saying it so i just want to make sure that's what you meant to say and she's like um i mean i was thinking it good for you this is how to do it georgina she's like yeah i was thinking that the way it came across was just like lindsey thinks she can get away with whatever she wants because she's a mom that's demeaning and it's insulting and it's disrespectful i'm like well i'm sorry if it came off that way but like i'm sorry you felt that way because that was not my intention and i'm like telling you that she's well that's not what you

22:51Ben Mandelker: meant so that's good that's a good thing that's a good thing whitney you did good you did good whitney and whitney's like yeah because that's what happens it's like a game of telephone and And Gavin's like, yep, it's as simple as that. Kenny said, pick a room, and you picked a room. And Whitney's like, Gavin, shut up. I'm sick of you, honestly. I was like, okay, Whitney, there we go. Now you're using your energy in the right way.

23:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah. But I also have to say, this was actually a pretty solid, this wasn't a game of telephone, because it was literally what you said. She's always pulling the single mom card, and she has an Annie. So that's like, what the hell? So no, it wasn't some game where everything got fucked up. but yeah so now it turns on gavin so kenny's like hold on you see how this is just getting to a good place and you just came back and are talking shit for some reason uh yeah just kind of how lindsey has gotten back to a good place with you and then you started shit for no reason to get everyone against that's the same thing yeah gavin's like i'm not talking shit i'm talking

23:50Ben Mandelker: truth you said pick a room and kenny's like see you're reinstigating the situation and kenny just feels like it's crazy that Gavin would side with Lindsay on this. And Whitney's like, I don't even know what this is all stemming from. He didn't even know what was going on. And Kenny's like, well, I mean, the only thing he knew was that there was a disagreement and it was Lindsay and us. And he walks in and he's like, Lindsay did nothing wrong. Which is funny because Kenny would be very happy if Gavin said that about Whitney. But because it's not about

24:18Ronnie Karam: Whitney, he's not like, why? Why? Yeah. And Gavin also in the car was on their side because he He was, you know, like you pointed out earlier, but he also said, yeah, Whitney was really getting hammered. Whoa. They really came for her. So now it turns into so now it turns into an argument between them. But Lindsay's like, yeah, because I was like physically walking into the Apple Vineyard, like, oh, with the understanding you were making comments about single moms. And Whitney's like, OK, well, I'm sorry again that you feel that way. It wasn't my attention. Thank you for hearing me. And Lindsay's just got this.

24:55Ronnie Karam: She's had this look on her. She had the look on her face when she was talking to Yvonne last week where she just gets really intense and she's like boring in two with her eyes. But all the therapy she's had over the years is also kicking in. And she's like, thank you. I appreciate that. They don't mind you to see her ripping them a new one. But she's like, OK, I understand your feelings.

25:20Ben Mandelker: Like gritting her teeth. Like, yeah. Yes, that's okay. I appreciate that.

25:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Kenny goes, well, I'm actually also sorry for absolutely fucking nothing. She's like, yeah, whatever. We know that. We know that, buddy. Yeah. So now they're going to have dinner, okay? So we're going to put it aside and just have Friendsgiving. Meanwhile, Kyle's like, yeah.

25:50Ronnie Karam: Gourds. Gords

25:52Ben Mandelker: Gords What the fuck is up with Gords Am I right Gords What the hell's wrong with Gords today Just you wait and see Gords And so Gavin is Gavin's like hey Kenny we should talk in private You know so go outside And Kenny's like what's going on I mean you're taking opportunities to publicly To like fucking chop me at the knees Like Whitney she's like what And Gavin's like I know and I can tell she's like fuck you, Kevin. I don't want that. And Kenny's like, but like, I mean, let me put it to you in this perspective over the last few months. You've in front of groups, not you've, you've said, I hate dogs.

26:31Ben Mandelker: You said that I'm a fuck boy. You said that I'm a fuck boy who hates dogs. You say, I don't like cars. I don't know where that one came from. You said, I don't really like tires, but not cars. I don't even know what these dances are. I don't even have a feeling either way on them. Like, what are you trying to say, dude?

26:46Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Um, and he's like, and you're calling me a fuck boy when she's moving into my fucking town i'm like dude he called you a playboy so can he twist stuff you know saying like yeah me and kenny know each other from going out now look at him he's settled down i think that that's a normal thing to say to somebody that's you know like that's normal guys ribbing each other and the whole like wow you got a dog he doesn't even like dogs he must really like you if he's letting a dog in the house i mean i get like the slight being annoyed but i don't i don't know i'm of course shockingly and toxically team gavin yeah i um well i well i definitely think that

27:26Ben Mandelker: like kenny is overly sensitive and he's sensitive because these things are true um i can you know in his own warped logic i can understand kenny being upset because it's like you're supposed to be my best friend and i feel like you're kind of like taking digs at me but only in public and on camera and I'm feeling a certain sort of way about that. But I also think that Kenny needs to be accountable for his own behavior and he can't be mad. Like what Gavin said about the playboy thing or like the dog thing, like those are so nothing burgers, such nothing burgers. And the fact that Kenny made a big deal out of it made it a thing.

28:01Ben Mandelker: So I don't think that he should like, this is, these are bad examples. If you're feeling undermined, I think you're right.

28:07Ronnie Karam: That the core of it is that it's, it's true. It's true stuff. He's trying to present one thing to Whitney. Like, I love dogs. I'm so ready for a relationship. So anytime somebody is like, this guy's in a relationship? Wow. It's kind of crumbling what he's trying to build for Whitney. So sorry you're caught. Team Gavin. But he's like, is it malicious? Where is this coming from? He's like, I can't believe. Oh, my God. I'm going to cry now. I cannot believe. You actually think it would be malicious.

28:42Ben Mandelker: and yeah yeah now he's like tearing up and gavin's like i mean he's like half those things were jokes but like especially the dog thing i mean i think you're taking out context i mean you're right like when you list all that stuff it sounds bad and and i can apologize for that like maybe i need to have a bit more of a filter with as you and whitney are starting to you know starting and you're in a group that you're trying to get to know and i apologize for that my bad i didn't realize you were so protective of this fake image you're trying to put up there on for national tv Yeah, I won't punch your holes in it anymore.

29:07Ben Mandelker: I won't. I won't. I won't do that.

29:08Ronnie Karam: And he's built for this because he's very, very good. Kenny comes at him with some pretty solid things. I mean, I don't agree with them. But for a fight that Gavin could actually argue, and instead he's just like, I'm sorry. You're totally right. I respect you. How can I be a better friend? And Kenny's like, uh, okay. He's kind of smiling like, okay. Shit. yeah like here's another one going down the drain like he had another one that he thought he was gonna yell and gavin was just like nope sorry you're absolutely right yeah and uh gavin's like

29:43Ben Mandelker: wiping tears from his cheeks and everything and gavin's like you're one of my most important people in my life you know and kenny's like well i want to feel like you're there for me and i just want to feel like you're supporting me by not telling america that i'm just like a shitty guy that i am and gavin's like yeah and i hate that you feel that you're not like i like so i apologize man i'm like i'm really sorry it's like no because whitney and i are closer than we've ever been well not really but i feel like if i say that to america they'll believe me so i don't need you

30:08Ronnie Karam: undermining me when i say those sort of things it's like totally respect you it's like oh okay so they cheers and hug and they love each other still so now um everyone's gotten dressed for dinner and it's time to eat so they bring the food in and oh jesus christ kyle is djing like oh my god no just please just can we just give us a break i mean and i say this is the people at the dinner like please just stop first of all this whole thing doesn't feel right

30:38Ben Mandelker: they they've set up this friendsgiving table table in this giant ballroom or something this big empty room with tall ceilings it looks cold and echoey in there cold emotionally cold physically and then Kyle set up like a little table in the corner and he's like DJing like this is not a DJ moment like I do not want anyone to ever be on turntables while I am gathering for Friendsgiving that's just like pull in a TV put on a sports game put on anything put on a movie like it should be like TV also to dress too formally I cannot stand formal Thanksgivings oh my god what a soulless way to celebrate Thanksgiving than getting into formal clothing.

31:21Ben Mandelker: You should be in a sweater and jeans, sweatshirts, whatever it is. But when people have to dress up for Thanksgiving, I just feel like that is the saddest thing ever.

31:31Ronnie Karam: Oh, well, I mean, I don't think I even own really anything formal. But I mean, you're supposed to dress nice for Thanksgiving. Well, I guess a sweater and jeans can be nice.

31:41Ben Mandelker: No, it's like sitting around on sofas and being comfy. And I think it's a totally casual holiday. and but like I've been to formal ones and I just think it's so strange it's like when it's this formal thing and it's just you're you're sitting there so stiffly I just I think Thanksgiving should be just relaxed and lovely and easy and like some people are watching football some people are mashing potatoes and afterwards you maybe watch a movie or you're lying on the sofa and having fun or I don't know like that's the vibe for me that's how I do my Thanksgivings yeah they

32:14Ronnie Karam: did get really formal and dressed up there were two and amanda's like in a silver you know like sequin sequin dress they're really yeah they're going for it and i like when they walk in and kyle's like well he's on the mic he's like wow look it's andrea that's andrea he's got really high pants so uh now the table's gorgeous so they're all sitting there they're having a lovely, you know, night so far. And then Kyle's like, yeah, this is all I need. And they're like, you're not even at the table, Kyle. And Amanda says, we didn't even say grace. Gavin's like, you be civil now. Be civil. And Whitney goes, do you know if the turkey has dairy?

32:59Ronnie Karam: I can't. Whitney?

33:02Ben Mandelker: I think that's okay to ask. Because it could have been like brined in like a milk or there could have been like a, there could have been some sort of like milk water like buttermilk here's the thing everybody well i

33:13Ronnie Karam: guess the turkey i was gonna say everybody was just in the kitchen cooking i guess she was busy because she was arguing and also they catered the turkey so how would she know but i'm i'm gonna like

33:22Ben Mandelker: when she asked it i was like this is the dumbest question and then i thought about it i was like well you know it could happen but i feel like whatever dairy the skin and stuff i do when i make a turkey yeah well the question is is she lactose intolerant if she's lactose intolerant The butter shouldn't be an issue, and I can't imagine there would be enough of a dairy presence with a buttermilk rind or something that would affect it.

33:46Ronnie Karam: Here's the thing. I'm going to say this question a lot. It's just a basic thing I think that people should know. If I'm already annoyed with you, don't sit down at turkey dinner and say, is there dairy in the turkey? That's just it. I don't know if it's reasonable or not reasonable, but that's it.

34:01Ben Mandelker: This is why you make your own turkey, by the way, so you can monitor the fucking dairy. so then Amanda is like I love mashed potatoes I mash my potatoes and I'm going to eat my potatoes I don't know why that annoyed me I don't know why I'm annoyed that Amanda made the mashed potatoes I don't know I just feel like I don't trust her around any Thanksgiving food

34:23Ronnie Karam: yeah although well because the show we're making I'm just like we can leave the skins on right I mean yes you can but I don't know not to say like I'm leaving the skins on because this is how I do it it just sounds lazy like when you leave the skins on get away from the mashed potatoes you clearly don't care you don't understand this

34:44Ben Mandelker: I don't love skins in my mashed potatoes but I understand it's a style and if she had said this is how I make my mashed potatoes but for her it was like what's the easiest way that I can contribute to this Thanksgiving dinner where people won't get mad at me for being lazy and taking advantage and I just don't respect it Yeah.

35:04Ronnie Karam: So they're kind of talking about food and having fun, how they crush the gravy and everything's going well. And Kenny does Friendsgiving every year. We talk about that. And everyone's kind of bonding. And then Gavin, where's Gavin starting shit? I'm scrolling down to just because we're going so long. But where Gavin just starts shit, right? So Kenny's like, well, at the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing. There's a friendship here. It's been years and it's really all that matters, guys. and he's talking about him and gavin so they're all back together and lindsey's like look at us all moving forward and then danielle i guess danielle starts it she's like but you know like uh there was a shit yeah it's like there was chatter that made us yeah what what do you say

35:53Ben Mandelker: it's like resolution because it's the end of the seasons they actually have they actually She wound up having nice conversations where Danielle is basically saying how, you know, like after this whole desktop, she has an opening to now be to have like resolution here because now Whitney's made a bigger kerfuffle. So now Danielle can can have like apology times. And so, you know, Danielle's just saying, I just like I wish it would have come directly from you that you Googled Owen for five seconds at a bar. And so, Lindsay's like, well, I came from, like, where it was. Like, I just, like, want to make sure Danielle's good.

36:31Ben Mandelker: Because ultimately, we do have, like, a long history. Like, a little bit longer for you. Because you had to take the train for most of our history. But, like, a long history nevertheless.

36:39Ronnie Karam: She's like, well, it wasn't supportive of me, quote, unquote. But it didn't feel supportive to me. You know? Just wish we could have talked about it. And Lindsay's like, yeah, you're right. And I'm sorry. I felt like we had been moving forward. I'm sorry for chatter. and last night was the first night I hung out with Owen and I love Nathan Lane he's so funny Mousetrap is an underrated movie so yeah so she's like I'm happy for you guys and they're all happy you know with that

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39:33Ronnie Karam: And so Gavin's like, okay, well, no drama here, so that's not going to work. So this is what Friendsgiving is, right? Thinking about what we're grateful for. I just want to continue having a love fest dinner let's have a cheers yeah

39:51Ben Mandelker: so then they all cheers and they start dancing in this big empty room and everyone's having fun except Amanda and Amanda she leaves and she goes slinking away throughout the estate

40:03Ronnie Karam: I'm leaving because she's upset that Kyle got his DJ job she's still sad at this friendsgiving which I get it's like the ending of a relationship and stuff and everybody's happy and you just are miserable in your silver sequence. I was getting this mixed up with the last episode where there was a huge Kyle and Amanda fight. So I keep scrolling, waiting for Gavin to start this fight with Kyle and Amanda. We already talked about it. It already happened the last episode. Sorry, everybody.

40:30Ben Mandelker: It's also funny that Amanda keeps saying how like, you know what? I just woke up and I realized it was over. It was over. I'm like, no, it's the last day of shooting because I believe this was right before BravoCon because I think Kyle was saying, oh yeah i'm playing hakusan next week and he played hakusan at bravo con in vegas so i assume that was the timeline here and in my mind i think amanda was saying this is the end of shooting i'm sick of this i don't have to like keep up appearances on tv anymore i can finally like i can finally end this so she's acting like she came to a big you know realization i think yeah it's like she's been playing this pretty you know after everybody found out about the west

41:11Ronnie Karam: stuff it's like how long have you been playing this you know this storyline thing like well here we are right at the end of the season now i'm officially done but thank god so the yeah so the episodes are just kidding she was walking out like for good good because she didn't she's not coming back to summer house and i don't know if she's going to be coming back to this or not i'd imagine she is but who knows there's actually talk i think that she might be coming

41:38Ben Mandelker: back for this i'm not sure but it's the next morning and everyone's in the kitchen and they're all hung over and georgina's working on that the puzzle they're all doing their puzzle and um then they're like where's uh where's amanda and they're like she woke up at 7 45 and kyle's like that was the earliest i've ever seen her wake up i mean i was just coming in to go to sleep and there she

42:00Ronnie Karam: was awake it's crazy man granted she still wasn't doing anything she was staring at a wall and throwing clothes on the ground, but still it was impressive.

42:12Ben Mandelker: So then everyone heads out and then Kyle and Amanda are the last to leave this house and he's like, so still not going home together, I assume. She's like, no, I gotta go back to my place. And he's like, wow, I feel like it's a sad realization. I'm not surprised that we're here. I mean, I practically provoked at the end of this marriage, but ultimately Amanda kind of made that first move. I don't know if I would have. I might have chickened out. Oh, well, it's over now. Yeah, and then now it's the end

42:39Ronnie Karam: January 26, 2026 Dun, dun, dun Wow, Kyle and Amanda have broken up We see all these different headlines About West Well, first we see March 2026 Kyle on Watch What Happens Denying he thinks that anything Was happening with West and Amanda They're just friends And then headlines that are like Wow, the news that rocked the Bravo sphere Amanda and West

43:08Ben Mandelker: dun dun dun so now it's april it's april 9th 2026 and kyle and amanda are they're back at on that couch that we last saw kyle and west on and kyle's like it just makes me so fucking upset like you point blank lied to me about west like you left me for a guy that reaches three times harder than me that's not fair i love that that's his takeaway he parties harder than I do. And you all this time never like to party, but now you're going to go in with someone who does party.

43:36Ronnie Karam: I think that's a good point. What the hell? You've been complaining about me for a decade, and now you end up with somebody who parties even harder than me? What the fuck are you doing?

43:47Ben Mandelker: She's like, I didn't leave you for someone. Okay, I was scared. I'll never forget the feeling. Let me put that statement out, that joint statement. Remember we did that? She's like, yeah, it was really a fucking shitty day, and we just stayed on the phone with each other. and have posted to both of our accounts and I had you count to three and I'm so grateful we were able to do that together because like in the most messed up way I was like ooh the inside workings of a joint statement on Instagram

44:16Ronnie Karam: yeah so they talk about the end and you know she's like well on the plus side all of my shit that's been going on at least it's like helped lover boy he's like yeah the irony is like you guys decided to put your statement out the same week I'm talking about the financial stress I'm under. She goes, um, Kyle, I don't think they're supporting you. I think they're supporting Loverboy because they hate me. No, I don't think it's all hate.

44:41Ben Mandelker: She's like, yeah, it is. She's like, I feel like I can't even leave my home or apartment. Like, walking was scary over here. I'm, like, terrified to walk outside because I'm afraid someone's gonna, like, scream in my face.

44:54Ronnie Karam: Yeesh. Um, she's like, yeah, I'm like, I want to feel a sense of normalcy. like there's no affair there's no fucking affair that happened Kyle like I'm not downplaying anything that I did like I fucked it up it was with my friendship but like I also want to be like able to go to like dinner and like do things because like I keep if I keep hiding I'm gonna fall into the dark hole Kyle

45:21Ben Mandelker: yeah he's like well just make sure you do this with people who've been there for you your whole life not just like West and she's like so do you want to go to dinner um it'll probably create the end a whole internet storm but uh let me put on a whole bunch of lover boy gear and then we can do this if it's going to create an internet storm make sure i'm photographed from all angles with lover boy showing everywhere

45:46Ronnie Karam: yeah she's like well maybe me you west and sally can all go to dinner together and he just laughs And then we see a picture coming up of Kyle and Sally Oh lord Yoohoo I just saw today that Lala and Sally are

46:00Ben Mandelker: It's a man A man with a turntable What? That's a man who's popular right now Yoohoohoo Like no wonders Well surprise surprise Sally pops up Sally and Lala have a podcast together now Did you see that? I did Collar, you know

46:22Ronnie Karam: Collar you

46:25Ben Mandelker: Collar you Bitch

46:30Ronnie Karam: It's a sex podcast They're like, we're cracking sex We're cracking sex talk Sally and Lala

46:38Ben Mandelker: Okay Do you want to know how to squirt? I'm going to teach you everything about squirting So now we're in June Last month, everyone And we got basically like, oh, just wrap ups with everyone Kenny says that things are great with Whitney and they accidentally got married in Peru because they did a ceremony called Pachamama, which is not to be confused with Pizza Mama. And they say at the end of this ceremony, the guy was like, congratulations, you can kiss your wife. So they were accidentally Peruvian married, which is exciting. Yeah.

47:13Ronnie Karam: And this is so Kenny too. I had to Google, are we really married? And then we go to Georgina, who is now starting to date people because she thought things could still work out with her ex. And she's like, you know, I mean, the only reason I really wanted things to work out with my ex is because, I mean, it's just like, you know, then I would get to spend time with my children 100 % of the time. which I get but I think ultimately this is better to have you'll get like a tiny bit of freedom and you don't have to live with your fucking ex who left you while you were pregnant and had a toddler

47:52Ben Mandelker: exactly I think like you know I totally get it obviously you want to see your children grow up 100 % of the time but also think about having 50 % of your time not having just some your chocolate into your child's diapers to make them think it's actually poo-poo that they want to have on their butt.

48:09Ronnie Karam: Truly. So then we see more videos of her kids being wacky. And then her kids come in and sit with her on the couch and she puts one on the shoulders and the daughter puts her dress over her face. And then she's like, you can't do that to me. I'm a single mom. And then we go to Lindsay and we see pictures of Gemma and she's had her birthday. And so we see her entering college or whenever and then she's like i'm a mom and then we she goes wow like it's crazy like there's been all this talk of mama and now like three people are pregnant and uh yep we've got lexi and andrea

48:48Ben Mandelker: and then we have danielle we also have owen and i'm not owen um uh yvonne yvonne did i say yvonne Lexi and Andrea Danielle just had her baby and Lexi and we saw a cute little video of Danielle telling her mom that she's pregnant and her mom would be like what so that's where it ends babies on the horizon and pure chaos for next season is what I'm going to say so look out Whitney the cards are going to be coming fast and furious yes everyone's going to have one except her

49:21Ronnie Karam: lots of cards I know that you're going to see next year what it's like It's going to be like Canasta instead of 21. Like Blackjack. It's not just one person playing that card. It's everybody. Everyone's got a card.

49:38Ben Mandelker: She's on the casino floor now. Everyone's playing cards. Go to the roulette table, Whitney.

49:46Ronnie Karam: You're not welcome here. We're all playing cards right here.

49:50Ben Mandelker: Well, that's about it. thanks everyone for being here for the season finale of In the City and it's nice to know that we recorded an episode where you can drive from New York City up to Connecticut and back down to New York City while listening to us talk the entire time so thanks everyone for being here and we will catch you on the next episode bye bye watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors ain't no thing like Alison King our way is the amber way it's the foster and the furious it's Amanda It's always automatic with Ashley Otto. Put your hands together for Carly Clapp. Get on the right foot with Chrissy Offutt.

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