#3459 RHOC S20E02 Part One: Thank You For Being a Fiend

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3:09Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I am Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the one, the only, irrepressible Ronnie Karam. Hi Ronnie, how's it going? Good, how you doing? Fabulous. We made it to the end of our work week here and we're here to talk about Real Housewives of Orange County. We got Patreon, patreon.com slash watch what crappens. Bonus episodes every week. We talked about some Big Brother, we talked about some Love Island, some other things. also you can watch video see the video version of our podcast with Patreon and also there's ad free listening weekly newsletter all the good stuff so go join for the full experience and without further ado we should say on Monday by the way we have Amazon live we do that at 1.30 west coast time that's 4.30 east coast time so come join us because we actually have a huge amount of fun doing that we talk we just sort of banter and show off products that we like.

4:12Ben Mandelker: So come join us for that. Ronnie, how's it going? What's new? What's happening? Good. How you feeling?

4:18Ronnie Karam: I'm heading back to LA today. So I'm tracking Bueller on his little trip. He's making it in a car before me. He's driving to LA. I'm just tracking Bueller along. Yeah, he's driving the car. Everyone get out of the way. And so I'm tracking my little doggie and watching when he goes boo-boo and watching when he eats his dinner. So that's pretty fun. It's my mom's 75th birthday. It was yesterday. So happy birthday to my muzza. And so celebrated that, you know, did that stuff, fun birthday stuff. And that's, I mean, that's it really. What more could you ask for? And then to go to your mom's birthday and come back and the Orange County ladies are like, we're going to dress like old people.

4:59Ronnie Karam: Celebrate Emily's birthday. That's what Bravo really needed. And that's what I needed was just to see and dress like old people plot. They really don't do it enough on Bravo.

5:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah, they don't. It's really too bad. But we definitely got a good amount of it. I really enjoyed the different looks of senior citizenship that they went for. I thought that was a really – they showed a nice spectrum of geriatric looks and feelings. Yeah, I think Heather's was the most realistic. Yeah. actually I thought Gina's was very realistic I was like you know what I can see Gina looking like this when she's like honestly 63 she doesn't have to wait till she's 81

5:46Ronnie Karam: you know what's so weird is that I blocked out Gina I think I just do that now like I have a filter in my head that will just block things out I don't even remember Gina and I literally finished watching this episode 15 minutes ago

6:01Ben Mandelker: that's kind of her brand though you know it's like oh I don't even remember Gina I mean, I'm just going to say this. I didn't think that it was an amazing episode, but I don't hold it against the show because I'm like, don't forget, this was a party that Gina organized for Emily. So it was never going to be good television to begin with.

6:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah. It was nice to see Vicky without an Instagram filter, though.

6:25Ben Mandelker: It was nice. And also seeing what Vicky might have actually wound up looking like had she never gone into reality television. Because I actually do firmly believe she would have become mama for mama's family.

6:39Ronnie Karam: Oh, Vicky Lawrence. Stay with us forever. So we get taglines today. One Vicky to another. Yeah. Yeah. From one super problematic Vicky to a less problematic Vicky. Does Vicky Lawrence have any problematic qualities? I don't think so. I hope not No, she even did like a one-man show last year Called like, come see mama

7:08Ben Mandelker: I was gonna say, if Vicki Lawrence was problematic That would just wipe out just so many warm memories of when those are draw So, yeah, I'm just really hoping for the best

7:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah Alright, here we go We get some taglines today Which is pretty exciting Love a new tagline, Sesh they have a lot of people too this season they have them all lined up that they have them all

7:33Ben Mandelker: lined up at the beginning it's like damn it was really going for a long time uh but it was worth it because i absolutely love um i love the orange county remix theme that they've been doing for the past four years or so you know especially when at that drum when the the drum machine kicks in right at the beginning when it's like do do do do do do do it goes i'm like oh i love the beatboxing

8:03Ben Mandelker: So, yeah, we start off with Heather, who says, my motives are like my taste. Best left unquestioned. Don't question my tastes.

8:16Ronnie Karam: Well, how do I hold it all together? Resilience and shapewear. Wow. Falls down.

8:30Ben Mandelker: then we have Jen the truth speaks volumes and I'm about to turn it up I'm like do you need to say the phrase turn it up do we have to say that when your son has just been accused of like starting a fire like I just feel like turn it up is just like a phrase I think of with my stovetop yeah

8:49Ronnie Karam: I'm about to set this world on fire bling bling thank you thank you so much thank you thank you everybody thank you thank you so much Thank you

9:00Ben Mandelker: I get so angry I've got flames Down the side of my face Flames on the side of my face Gina

9:08Ronnie Karam: Oh no it's your turn Sorry I know it's your turn Just because I'm spoken for Doesn't mean I won't speak up Oh god of course We get it You're engaged Why do engaged people do this It's not your whole personality at all times. You know? Yeah, exactly. Like, what's your name? Future Mrs. Travis. Ma 'am, this is the DMV, okay?

9:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but the thing is, when you don't have personality, any shred of personality becomes your whole personality. That's the thing. So, Emily is like, my body may be new, but my mouth is the same as always. Anyways, I have, what I'm trying to say is, I've got the body of a 30-year-old and the mouth of a 50-year-old. They messed up. They forgot to do my mouth. I'm furious. I was like, wow, that's a long tagline. I may look different, but I've still got a sandwich in my purse.

10:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, then you have the new girl, Carmella.

10:17Ronnie Karam: I'm the center of attention And a centerfold

10:22Ben Mandelker: Except she doesn't know how to say it right She speaks quietly and she's like I'm the center of attention and a centerfold I'm like don't say centerfold Say centerfold Cause it's center of attention And a centerfold I'm the center of attention and a centerfold It's like there's You lose your Whatever magic was surrounding Carmella

10:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah Anyway also I don't think there is such a thing as centerfold anymore and it's it's ages yourself you know what I mean because I think a lot of people are going to hear that and be like what is that what's like what's a centerfold and then you have to explain to them there is a magazine and then you know sometimes in magazines what's a magazine okay they were paper versions of websites and then you had to fold one of the pages over and you fold it out and it's like really long

11:12Ben Mandelker: you know i'm the center of attention and i'm a relic of legacy media that would have been much

11:18Ronnie Karam: better yes thank you hi i'm the center of attention as scott baio used to jerk off to me in real life

11:30Ronnie Karam: wasn't he always at the playboy mansion every time i think of the playboy mansion i just think of gross scott baio being there and getting probably getting handsy with everybody

11:41Ben Mandelker: yeah well like i like i think i've said many times on this show i did manage to make my way there once 20 24 years ago and ann annacola smith was there and gloria allred and jesse jackson and i was like wow there that this makes no sense

12:01Ronnie Karam: it doesn't make a ton of sense but it is a lot better than the celebrities that she brought up on her. She's like, yeah, well, I would be at the Playboy Mansion. I mean, Tony the Tiger was there. The Lady from Who's the Boss. Yeah.

12:18Ben Mandelker: And also the spinoff of Who's the Boss that everyone forgot about called I'm Actually the Boss. Didn't do very well. There was a spinoff of that, wasn't there? Was there? I'm sure. I feel like there was a spinoff of Who's the Boss. It's called Danny Pettoro Needs a Job. Danny Pintoro has made some media Danny Pintoro has been in the news I think because he was He was like driving Lyft or Uber Or something I'm like Get in line I mean I'm obviously not doing that anymore but I did it I did it

12:52Ronnie Karam: There was a spinoff

12:54Ben Mandelker: I have a chip on my shoulder because I met him at a party Once like 15 years ago and he was such a dick to me That I'm like anytime I have a chance to take a Dig at Danny Pintoro I'm like I'm gonna take it

13:02Ronnie Karam: I don't know who that is so I'm just Nodding along who was he

13:06Ben Mandelker: He's the kid on Who's the Boss. He's the son. He's actually, I really shouldn't be holding on to a grudge for 15 years. Poor Danny Pintaro. It sounds like he's hit hard times.

13:16Ronnie Karam: Oh, has he? He doesn't mean to me. I looked him up. It says, what is Danny Pintaro doing today? Former child star Danny Pintaro currently balances acting with five different gig jobs to make ends meet, which notably includes working as an Amazon Flex delivery driver. Oh, that's what it was. So, you know. But there was a spinoff of Living Dolls called, I mean, there was a spinoff of Who's the Boss called Living Dolls. Do not remember that. I can't even imagine how that, was that about Mona?

13:49Ben Mandelker: Was it like, did Mona become a fashion designer?

13:51Ronnie Karam: I would love that. It was a vehicle for teen models in New York and is primarily notable today for featuring the first acting roles of Halle Berry and Leah Remini. The show was born out of a backdoor pilot in the fifth season of Who's the Boss, focusing on a character, Charlie, played by Leah Remini, who was introduced as Samantha Micelli's friend. While a sequel series that would have reunited Tony Danza and Alyssa Milano was in development for Amazon's freebie, it was officially scrapped and is not moving forward. Well. Wow.

14:26Ben Mandelker: Okay. Well, that's. I mean, who is the boss? Michael Learned Michael Learned, by the way, was the matriarch of that show Michael Learned

14:36Ronnie Karam: I mean, I know a matriarch is a woman But wasn't Mona the matriarch of who's the boss? She was the mom Michael Learned was the matriarch of Living Dolls Oh, for Christ's sake I'm the one who brought up Living Dolls I just can't use Mona

14:49Ben Mandelker: I saw Michael Learned in The Sisters Rosenzweig

14:56Ronnie Karam: Wow, there you go You know, the Sisters Rosenzweig has played longer on this show in mentions than it did in real life.

15:05Ben Mandelker: Well, we're a really big Wendy Wasserstein podcast. People don't realize that. Wasserstein's the boss.

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18:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, this was another one that wasn't read right. She's like, I'm still the hottest hot spot. That's my opinion. No, it's not how you say that's my opinion. You say that's my opinion. I mean, if you're not going to do it, then don't do it. Don't use that as your line, you know?

18:45Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So that's actually a callback. I think her first tagline was something like, I'm the hottest hot spot in the hour is counting. My hair looks like a gumdrop. So it's a callback to 20 years. And then we end with Vicky Wives can we go But legends we whip it up forever What was your favorite of What was your favorite of all these lines

19:11Ronnie Karam: Um Just because I'm spoken for Doesn't mean I won't speak up Just kidding It's not a bad line Uh I don't I don't know Um I think probably Heather's probably It's funny

19:31Ben Mandelker: I think Heather's I don't know Oddly enough I kind of enjoy Shannon's How do I hold it all together Resilience and shapewear I'm not mad at that

19:41Ronnie Karam: That one's pretty good too I think it starts going downhill with Jen And then keeps kind of going So we go to Bunged Gym

19:53Ben Mandelker: Bunged But it sounds like some sort of like like a word we're not supposed to say she smelled like bunge you guys that word was outlawed in the early 2000s we've all decided we're no longer saying bunge yeah bunge so yeah it's a gym called bunge and it's a gym where people strap onto bungee cords and then do like aerobics or something so Shannon's like I'm so excited to be here because I'm happy. I live in the ranch. Oh, God, I've seen this on Instagram, which is rare because I only limit myself to 24 minutes of social media per week because I've heard that Instagram will decay your eyeballs because of lasers in the phone.

20:43Ben Mandelker: So they got in that window. Congratulations.

20:48Ronnie Karam: You're going to fly, Pedranti. And Gina's like, oh, my God, I'm so scared. I feel so bad.

20:58Ben Mandelker: I feel bungee. So they're going to. I feel so bungee. I feel so bungee. So now, naturally, they get strapped into bungee cord and start doing a step touch, because why not? And I was like, what is this?

21:15Ronnie Karam: Okay, guys, we're starting with the step touch, because I want you to hear the rhythm of the music and get it into your body. You're talking to Shannon and Gina and Jen. There will be no rhythm here. Getting into any bodies. Okay.

21:30Ben Mandelker: There will be none. The instructor's like, okay, now that I've strapped you into your bungee cords and you're doing a step touch, the big reveal is that you will all be recreating Spider-Man Turn Off the Dark. Okay, everyone. Okay, you are Doc Doc.

21:46Ronnie Karam: Oh, my God. I'm scared. So they do this thing And Shannon's like well I'm not a huge fan of exercise But I need to be more stable Cue montage of me going Wah Wah Shannon Purposely falling 9 million times

22:06Ben Mandelker: Yes But then she actually did show some footage of herself Trying to pick up mail from her front stoop And just falling over and that one made me laugh Because that one was not actually intentional

22:15Ronnie Karam: So um That was good. She said, yeah, Gina called me and then I just fell over and you just see the ring cam footage of her falling over. You know, people were so worried about ring cams, like the dirt, you know, just the cameras everywhere. They're like in your, you know, your Alexa thing in your house. Like they're everywhere now. And people were like, oh, my God, cameras. The government's got to get us. What is the government doing watching all of these videos? It's just all of us picking our nose while we're waiting for somebody to come to the door or just falling down when your phone rings.

22:48Ben Mandelker: Ring cams are basically the new America's Funniest Home Videos. You know? Yeah. It's like dogs chasing things. It's a lot of black bear footage. That's a constant thing. It's like, watch as this fearless chicken chased away a black bear. It's always like some black bear getting chased away By some very small animal A tree frog chased away a black bear

23:13Ronnie Karam: No, I'm in I'm into it So, Shannon is going to learn balance Somehow from Swinging around And falling over on a bungee And so this is Shannon's typical Like, whoa, it's me Why am I upside down? Yeah

23:33Ben Mandelker: It was kind of fun watching her because she kept on doing these lunge actions, almost like a flying squirrel. She's like, wow! And she put all her limbs out, and the cord would just rip her all the way back. And she'd just fall over. It was kind of like stunts, watching her as a stuntwoman. So they do that, and then it ends. A stuntwoman for what?

23:55Ronnie Karam: What kind of stunt film would this be?

24:00Ben Mandelker: It's like a stuntwoman for grape nuts. So that becomes her like the lady just falling down the stairs over and over. Well, I've been booked for a cornflakes commercial, so I got to get my stunt working. So the it's now they all sit down and talk after the workout. And she's like, well, as you can see, I've been coming here for quite some time. That was a joke. And Gina's like, yeah, the only time I work out is when I'm with Jen. Oh, thank you so much. Well, you're very lucky that you look the way you look. So, you know, it's almost like you've been working out in a parking lot the way I do. So congratulations.

24:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

24:39Ronnie Karam: Well, it's not anything, you know, special, any kind of special surgery or anything. She's young. Okay. That's the answer. She's like, well, speaking of being young, Emily's now 50. And like, of course, like we went to Paris. And then we see a picture of them like, yeah, we're in Paris in front of the Eiffel Tower. And she wants to have a party for Emily because going to Paris isn't enough. Now she needs to throw a party for her best friend because it's on camera. So that makes sense.

25:06Ben Mandelker: In my mind, I was like, oh, okay. So since everyone couldn't be in Paris, they're going to throw an Emily in Paris party because it makes total sense. Oh. No.

25:18Ronnie Karam: That would have been cute, but this cast does not have the fashion to do Emily in Paris. I mean, Emily in Paris is all about fashion. These ladies, not a one. They could do Emily in Paris Casino in Vegas. That's what they could do. Emily and Rayon You know the spinoff When Emily loses everything

25:39Ben Mandelker: Emily and Laguna So Gina is like So I want to give like Emily crap About getting old So I like arranged to have like a bingo drag brunch And then like I want all of us to like dress up like Old ladies

25:52Ronnie Karam: Wait a minute, like Golden Girls old ladies? Like that type of old ladies? Like real real old ladies? Like pre-surgery old ladies? Why would we do that? Why would anybody do that to themselves?

26:04Ben Mandelker: I feel like these are fighting words. I feel like this is Gina's passive-aggressive attack on the rest of the cast. Because, like, you know, this cast is not necessarily full of spring chickens. And also, Gina, like, I think you're kind of, like, flaunting the fact that you're the youngest of the bunch. So, be careful. Be careful. You'll be 50 soon.

26:24Ronnie Karam: Oh, that's her. That's always been her vibe. And then when she gets mad, she's like, she's old. Yeah, that is what she does. But I think that is kind of everybody's thing, right? Because even when you're 50, like me, the same as just Emily. Even when you're 50, you look at someone, you know, maybe 15, 20 years older. It's like, oh, my God, there's that. This is crazy. It's like, babe, you're right there. You're right there. You're five minutes away. You know, I just.

26:55Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. So it's like, yeah, it's going to be like extra hot. This way, like, we'll all look old and, like, stupid, but then she'll look really hot. Because as we all know, when you get old, you're not hot anymore. So then, like, oh, my God, that's so wonderful. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for this great idea. She was like, oh, well, I guess I have my work cut out for me. Yeah, you have to put on a wig, Shannon.

27:19Ronnie Karam: Okay, well, okay. Do you know how many necks I've had taken off to not look like this? I know. When I was getting my neck lift, I, you know, when I, When I came out of it from my neck lift, I told the doctor, how much skin came off? He just kind of looked at me and he didn't even answer. By the way, this doctor, I think Loki hated me, which I don't blame him. But he didn't even answer me. And I was asking because when Shannon got it done last time, she said, well, that doctor told me he has never seen so much skin taken off one neck. And I thought that was so cool. I was like, how much did I get?

27:56Ronnie Karam: I should have asked him to save it. I could have made like a little, I don't know, coin purse or something out of it. Or a wallet. I don't know how much it was.

28:03Ben Mandelker: I love, yeah, you know, I love a non-creepy coin purse made out of your own human flesh. Was it like when you're like, when you got like a chicken thigh with like bone-in skin on chicken thigh and there's like that extra flap of skin on the end that's like, that's how you got to cut it off?

28:19Ronnie Karam: I feel like it was more because I had a lot of stitches. So I wanted to see how much. And I don't know. I thought that was a good idea to make a little coin purse or something cute out of it. I mean, I know it's kind of Silence of the Lambs, but it's not as gross if it's your own skin. Then you could just, over the years, by the time I'm 80, I could have a whole closet full of accessories.

28:40Ben Mandelker: And then you could put someone in a well and dress them in your skin. It'd be reverse Silence of the Lambs, actually. That's the out-closeted version of Silence of the Lambs, because the closeted version is, I'm going to skin you and wear your clothes. But then once you're out of the closet, you realize you just want to make a woman prettier by putting your skin on them. You're like, no, you get the skin or just wear myself.

29:04Ronnie Karam: You know, maybe it could be accessories. Like I could turn my neck into like a, an Apple watch band, you know, and then I could turn, you know, my eyes. When I get my eyes done one day, I can, you know, when I get my butt lifted or whatever, you just take each little thing and then add an accessory to your yourself you know and then by the time you're in your 80s or whatever you could walk around just fully accessorized by your own old skin that you got taken away i mean i think it's a really good idea and you know what someone's gonna hear this and invent it and i'm gonna be like ben i came up with that idea and you're gonna be like i don't yeah i don't remember that yeah um because yeah

29:43Ben Mandelker: that's true because i probably will push this visual out of my brain as soon as possible Sorry let's talk about it more Yeah but Shannon Gina says like Shannon did you even say hello to Tim Really isn't I And you know what you guys I don't want to talk about it So please more questions Jen's like okay but You know you always take that approach And like I just can't do that I like to speak up Or as my tagline says Turn it up Cause I'm getting loud I'm gonna turn it up

30:15Ronnie Karam: I really you know what I think it's time for you, Shannon, to light a match. Okay? And Shannon's like, wait a minute. You're saying I always take the approach that I don't want to talk about it? Have you seen this show?

30:29Ben Mandelker: Well, you've been taking that approach. Like, for one thing, you'll say, oh, DeBroad likes to keep her hands clean. And sometimes it's feeling like you want me to do it and you want Emily to do it. What? No. No, I just like to surround myself with people who are dumb enough to fall into the trap. Not that I want you to do it. I just enjoy watching you do it. That's it. I'm absolutely... Nope, nope, nope. I don't do that. Look, me doing that looks like I'm trying to get the whole group, the whole group to gang up on Tamara. And that is not the intent. No, no, I absolutely would never want you guys to fight my battles.

31:07It's like accusing the orange alert of warning people that everybody's a terrorist.

31:13Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm sorry for orange It's a color, okay? Shannon, you definitely Yeah, Shannon definitely does that But it's also

31:23Ben Mandelker: I don't get it I feel bad

31:25Ronnie Karam: It's also a long, hallowed tradition Of Real Housewives That people shit talk And then someone takes that shit talk And tells everybody else And goes, you are manipulating me You are manipulating me into telling everybody No, you're just a person who can't be shit-talked around.

31:45Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and also, like, this show in particular has a very long history of blatant manipulators and blatant, you know, patsies. And the patsies know that they're patsies, and they still keep doing it. It's like Gina will say things like, the thing with Tamar is that, like, she'll, like, put something out there, and then, like, you go and report it, and then she looks good, and then you're, like, the messenger gets killed. and like happens every time and then like Gina turns around and does it like 10 times in the season and goes well I feel bad but like if I had known it I wouldn't have said it

32:18Ronnie Karam: it's just so sad to think of Gina as a patsy she is thanks a lot you are no patsy ma 'am you are no patsy or Eddie ma 'am but yeah you're right Gina is Gina and Emily both do that but Gina is the worst about doing it like oh my god she's manipulating me into telling Shannon that she looks old. Shannon, you look old. Oh my god, I'm just old man.

32:43Ben Mandelker: Renna would do it too on Beverly Hills, to be fair, to remind people that it extends beyond this franchise. Renna would fall for these traps all the time and then get so mad about it. But she would know it was happening. Famously.

32:55Ronnie Karam: I mean, Renna's were the biggest on Housewives history. I mean, she had the Munchausen's. You have Munchausen's. She's like, that was Vanderpump and Kyle who manipulated me into saying that. And then there was the doggy gate, the puppy gate with Dorit, where they were talking. Lisa Vanderpump was talking shit about Dorit getting rid of the adopted dog. And then Rinna, you know, and everybody bringing it forth and really going through like, you Vanderpump manipulated this whole thing.

33:29Ronnie Karam: You're all suckers. God, such entertaining suckers. Those were the days. You remember when we complained about Puppygate going on for too long? God, I miss Puppygate. I don't feel like I did.

33:39Ben Mandelker: I feel like I always enjoyed it. People can maybe correct me, but I feel like I always enjoyed it. I've often been someone where when people say, like, this is going on so long, I'm often someone who relishes it. I know I like a long thing. Oh, yeah.

33:51Ronnie Karam: Then that was me. That was me who complained about it. Probably like yesterday because I complain about it all the time. Like, I still complain about it in modern times. Like, oh, fucking Puppygate. Am I right? Just bring it up to the party to see who's listening.

34:06Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Well, the good thing is that we as a podcast are known for brevity. Anyway, back to this first scene. So Shannon is like, what are you talking about, Jen? I may have expressed some opinions here or there. And then we see a flashback of Shannon just like venting about like Heather to like Jen. Like, well, I mean, it's frustrating that when we're alone with Heather, she'll say certain things. And then when we're all together as a group, she's like, buddy, buddy. And I am so furious. And you know what? someone should finally say that to her face. And I wonder who it would be of the two of us.

34:37Ben Mandelker: Anywho. But anyway, don't fight my battles, my poor sweet arsonist.

34:42Ronnie Karam: Well, in no way, shape, form, shapewear, or formwear did I expect her to say things on my behalf. I absolutely did not.

34:53Ben Mandelker: Actually, I did have a dream last night that I was a cylinder. And then as a cylinder, I did want her to say things. So I guess in one shape, I did want her to say something. But in all other shapes, I did not want her to say something.

35:06Ronnie Karam: And Jen's like, well, you know, I was like, forget it. I'm just going to say it to Tamara, and I did. So there. Thank you. Thank you for listening. And Gina's like, yeah, she basically told Tamara we all talk shit about her when she's not there.

35:21Oh. Oh.

35:23Ben Mandelker: Oh. Oh, I see. Jen's like, I did. The problem was, you know, I brought up Heather, and Tamara walked away kind of icy to Heather. and you know it's a story of fire and ice if you will and heather's no dummy she knows that tamra's pissed and i'm sure heather's looking at me like what the fuck did you do that for yeah because it's a good question what the fuck did you do that for so jen jen's like you know her prior her her intention was not to cause problems for heather and tamra she just wants to just get everything out there and she goes i know it's so hard for Heather. And I'm going to speak for my girlfriend.

35:59Ben Mandelker: And it's so nice to know that you have someone.

36:06Ronnie Karam: So, uh, we see a flashback with Heather being like, I always feel in this group, like everyone sort of buddies up and I don't feel like I have a buddy. You have to be my buddy. Now there's nothing I love more than making a poor person. My buddy.

36:25Ben Mandelker: Heather's just desperate at this point. Like it's been years that Heather has wanted to be part of a fun duo, like years, even a trio. But even when she's like sort of wedged her way into a trio, she always knows she's on the outside. She just wants a bestie on this show and she cannot get it. And now she's at a point where she is actively recruiting. Like, like Jen just, you know, answered a call for on indeed.com. It's like now recruiting buddy for an extremely wealthy person, obligations, carrying all my bowls to Nobu. Other obligations, using the service door. Other obligations, not talking to me unless talked to.

37:03Ben Mandelker: Thank you.

37:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Heather really has been trying to get a little friend for years, and she just can't do it, because it just never comes on. You know, she's just not a very genuine, maybe she is genuine, but she's a very robotic, disingenuous person, you know, personality-wise. Remember when she went with Gina? She's like, look at us! Both East Coasters going to the East Coast together, walking through the city like a couple of girls, eating pizza. Whoops! I slipped a pizza on my purse. That is how carefree I am, girlfriend! Hey, you need a new jacket? I'll bring you 97 of the same jacket for you to try on.

37:46Ben Mandelker: That's because Heather keeps on going to the shelter, and she keeps on getting these rescues, and we all know she just wants a purebred. but she doesn't you know and the show won't give her any by the way because like in her perfect in her perfect world she would be buddy buddy with her friend who has the vineyard who shows up in the background of these episodes but instead like the show just throws her a jen or a g or an emily and she has to she's just like tries to make it work but they're from two different worlds it's just the connection is not there they don't understand her she doesn't really understand them and they try to make it work because like friendship is beyond all sorts of socioeconomic classes and it's just she can't she can't do it she can't do it and the first person

38:30Ronnie Karam: i thought of too was the late the couple that they had over when she and terry had um yeah the other doctor dr jen over with ryan you remember that one yeah that's the lady that's the lady right yeah that's the first one i thought of too i always forget someone that She can be awful. She can be just horrible and rich and terrible with, you know? And I think that she needs that. I mean, look, Heather, I've had my ups and downs with Heather on the show, just I guess like any character on a reality show. Like some years they make you crazy. Some years they're great. Some years they're just blah. But Heather has paid her dues.

39:07Ronnie Karam: Give her an awful person to hang out with. Like another awful, equally rich person.

39:12Ben Mandelker: Bring Nancy Bellow on. Make her full time. You know, honestly, there could have been some real good – yeah, the Bellow family vineyards or whatever. But honestly, like, there could have been a world where Heather and Katie Janela could have been assholes together. Because Katie Janela already sort of talks in a waspy way. And it just would have been – that could have worked if Katie hadn't fallen for Gina's, you know, schemes to – you know, Katie was the – speaking of someone who did dirty work, it was Katie doing Gina's dirty work. but um that could have worked out too bad yeah um so then um let's see where are we so jen's like

39:54Ronnie Karam: yeah you know and then i get in the car and i get a text from tamra and she's saying like i appreciate you so much you know we're friends and i thought oh my god fuck now i'm friends with tamra again oh that's i mean listen the text was very kind but in my mind i'm like oh my god that was not my intent i do i'm not i'm not friends with tamra again well that's what you get dodo yeah yeah she's

40:14Ben Mandelker: Like the fact that I feel like I do have a friendship with Heather and now I've caused this problem. I can see this spiraling and I want to fix it. Yeah, because you guys sat down and agreed to be buddies. And the first thing you did was talk shit about her behind her back and say, make it sound like she was like a monster. And now you're like, oh, wow. No, she doesn't like me anymore. Yeah.

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42:59Ronnie Karam: So now we go over to Emily and Shane. and they're doing a photo shoot. We're a bride and groom. Wow, that's great. On the season that you're talking about wanting to divorce Shane again.

43:12Ben Mandelker: I know. They're taking photos for her new podcast or their new podcast. And she says, so you know how we did Legally Brunette and we did the shots for Legally Brunette, which were amazing, by the way. A lot of these cases that we talked about have to do with husbands, unaliving wives and wives, on Aliving Husbands. So why not separate that out and just have its own podcast where we call it Till Death Do Us Part? The photographer's like, great. That's like, that's amazing. I'm so excited. Can you just like stand still so I can take the photo? Thanks.

43:49Ronnie Karam: A spinoff of something that not that many people are already into. That's crazy. It's like that murder channel. I think it's ID. One of the murder channels that they have so many murder shows that they really get specific. Like, a neighbor next door. And then every single one of them is about a neighbor next door going crazy and killing someone. I mean, they're very specific. It's like the lady I hired to dog walk my dog once. It's like, whoa, dog walkers who have committed murder. Hamster ball choke. Hamster ball's choking people over the years. It's like, damn, you guys, there's really every kind of murder.

44:30Ben Mandelker: There really is. I mean, I think this is a good title for a podcast, Till Death Do Us Part. But I mean, it's like, wow, like this revolutionary idea of a podcast about husbands who kill wives or wives who kill husbands. Like, you know.

44:45Ronnie Karam: But I think that's already the name of something. It has to be the name. Till Death Do Us Part title. Let's see if it's in anything. the phrase originally from a traditional wedding vows it has to be well there's a film in 2023 till death do us part and in 2027 and there's a show called till death do us till death yeah 20 2007 2019 till death do us part a classic 1960s bbc till death do us part 1997 a young adult romance so i guess you're allowed to use it a million times yeah speaking of death did you you hear that brenda fricker died no stop why i do that i love her we don't get a lot of brenda fricker moments okay so let's celebrate her let's oh brenda fricker you mean that amateur actress who never really had a career after her oscar um how dare you that what a bummer god r.i.p brenda Fricker.

45:54Ronnie Karam: We loved you. But I would like to congratulate Emily because she's already getting rating. Like if you look up till death to us part title, you already see the ratings. Her future podcast is going to get two stars, one and a half star. If you're going to use, if you're going to use a title that's been done a million times, Google it and make sure that people don't search for death to us part. And the first thing that comes up as two stars you know well i by the way the reason why i mentioned brenda fricker

46:27Ben Mandelker: call yourself brenda fricker you'll come up with five stars every time no i bring it up because it was like trending on twitter and i was like you know god bless this actress she you know she won an oscar she had you know she was great actress she worked um and you never would have thought that like her death would be the one that would cause twitter to be like everyone stop we have to share this so i love that brenda fricker had a moment on twitter

46:53Ronnie Karam: yeah i love brenda fricker she's a great actress but i do dread going on like facebook or whatever or instagram or whatever where every you know background actor you've ever met is going to post here's me and brenda fricker i know one of my true allies and friends brenda fricker who i worked with i'm mourning today what you met brenda fricker in a crosswalk okay stop okay

47:20Ben Mandelker: this is not your moment she's doing method work for her uh home alone two part so um anyway all

47:28Ronnie Karam: right let's just pretend that my left foot never happened speaking of which i think i have a i think i have a bunion could someone take me to the doctor please oh god um so uh they're doing

47:42Ben Mandelker: this photo shoot okay so they're doing a new uh new podcast about uh true crime husbands and wives killing each other and uh emily's saying how starting out under two t's was great because they had a built-in audience but now genia's telling me that tamra's mad at me because i didn't show gratitude and we see tamra the other day when they were sitting at that like boutique store or whatever it was like yeah she put out a post that said oh we're going on our own feed there's that thank you teddy thank you tamra thank you india thank you too she's just

48:15Ronnie Karam: felt like she was being ungrateful it's funny how everybody is just forgetting the real reason that tamra got pissed at emily emily is of course the biggest victim like she said my podcast was taking on her network yeah you you guys accused her of spreading rumors and talking to bloggers why aren't they bringing that up or they did they bring it up and i just didn't hear it but it's so funny that emily's like i can't believe she did this to me you were awful you were fucking awful last season as usual and now you're coming back crying like you're the victim i can't and i mean emily

48:53Ben Mandelker: gets what she deserves because she cozied up to tamra she kissed tamra's ass she did all those things and now i came back to burn her do you think that emily should have um when she left the two t's umbrella do you think that she should have um thanked them in her in her message

49:11Ronnie Karam: well yeah i mean normally you if you move to another place or whatever you say like oh it's been so good being with my you know my teddy family and i mean it would have been nice but i don't know that it's required especially if she got dropped by them you know because they're with iHeart and this thing is also with iHeart so I don't know how that works If they got dropped then I don't know if you have

49:37Ben Mandelker: to thank them but if she made the volunteer move probably would have been the nice thing to do believe it or not I mean I hate to advocate for this but I think probably say oh and thanks to Teddy and Tamara for you know basically putting our show on Yeah give me my start you know

49:55Ronnie Karam: It would have been nice but Tamara was on the reunion like you probably think Nobody listens to that shit. Stupid. So I don't know. Do you think that person and Teddy, he's always going to be on Tamara's side, no matter what, or Kyle's. So yeah, I don't know. I don't know that you need to say thank you. If someone's an asshole.

50:15Ben Mandelker: She even says here, she's Emily says, you know, when you say something about my podcast, that isn't accurate. That really pisses me off. Like, why are you insulting something that makes you money? I can only assume that your intent is to humiliate me. so just say you're sorry we're too old to act like this except for me because i'm still like y 'all

50:38Ronnie Karam: um yeah so she said so she's talking to shane and she's like well starting out under two t's was great because we had a built-in audience but gina's telling me tamar oh yeah sorry you already did that part i'm scrolling let me scroll let me scroll a bit so he's like okay so how about you put together a thank you card and then just say thank you. Because what is she going to do then? I mean, if you just say thank you, then she can't say you didn't say thank you.

51:06Ben Mandelker: So you will, what she will do is she'll take the card and she'll be like,

51:10Ronnie Karam: this is what I think about your card!

51:11Ben Mandelker: Rip it in half and say like,

51:12Ronnie Karam: this is not supposed to be a thank you! This is stupid!

51:16Ben Mandelker: You know, so no, I don't think the thank you card will really work.

51:19Ronnie Karam: Why don't you just give me a card that says fuck you because that's what you mean?

51:31Ben Mandelker: so tamra arrives at a restaurant called rare society which i don't know why that's like funny and and heather's there too and uh heather's probably like i like this restaurant because i would rarely see be seen in society eating with tamra barney okay hey how are you How is it going today? Can we like, can you like fix your hair? And so Tamara's like, like this? She's like, no, the other way. Like this. Oh, turns out you can't get the pour out of those locks. So you can just have it wherever you want.

52:07Ronnie Karam: Unfortunately, scrunching doesn't cause fresh hair to grow.

52:14Ben Mandelker: Okay. Well, so I guess we should talk. So, um, why is your hair looking more poor than usual? Well, I was paddleboarding. Oh, you and Eddie. Is that true? She's like, yeah. And we see footage of them paddleboarding and her rolling around in the salt water.

52:32Ronnie Karam: She falls off the paddleboard. And at home, Shannon's like, well, someone is stealing material. Well, that is, whoa.

52:42Ben Mandelker: Have I been relatable enough asking you questions about why you got dirt in your hair? like usual.

52:49Ronnie Karam: Oh, you know, I'm done with all the daredevil shit. What daredevil shit did Heather do? Did she walk into a Dollar Tree once?

52:58Ben Mandelker: Don't you remember? She did a tough mutter and then she like sprained her ankle or something. Remember? She's like, I'm a joiner. You ask me to do a tough mutter and I will because I am relatable.

53:14Ronnie Karam: So Tamara's like, I can't do it. It's like getting older. My nervous system's getting pretty weird. Heather's like, meaning what?

53:23Ben Mandelker: You uninformed imbecile. And she's like, I haven't stopped at T-Marts. Oh, well, I didn't go to sleep until 2 a.m. last night. I didn't like the way we ended the party. I like Heather. It's just like, I'm just going to disregard you saying that your nervous system is in decline and that you haven't been able to sleep. Well, I haven't. She's like, I did. I was able to go to sleep, but just slightly later than usual. Anyway, my turn to talk. So I didn't like the way we ended the party. I didn't like you walking off. I didn't like the conversation I had with Jen afterwards. I didn't like any of it.

53:56Ben Mandelker: And then I realized I don't like any of you people. Anyway, what's new with you?

54:03Ronnie Karam: And Heather's like, well, what did she say? Tamara says, I just want to let you know that Heather said things behind your back. That's what Jen said. She's like, oh, stop. Stop. Yeah, and then I'm put in the box. Basically, I'm not friends with people. I think I'm a friend. What the hell? You put me in the box, Anna? She goes, I put everyone in a box. Listen, it's not legal to put dry cleaning bags over their heads anymore and just watch them flail in the backseat.

54:34Ben Mandelker: Boxes it is. Here, I got you on. It's a leftover shoebox From Nicky, he bought some Reeboks Does it fit over your head? Oh, I got sand in my shoebox Oh well Alfredo, can you take this? Thank you

54:54Ronnie Karam: So we see flashbacks Of Jen saying this stuff And Jen is questioning Heather Like, well, but don't you think she crosses lines with you? Uh-huh And don't you ever feel like you just want to say, enough And, you know, what bucket do you put her in? You know, it's different than a box But, you know, I could change it A bucket could be a box A bucket with a lid, is that a box? Yes or no? Answer me

55:15Ben Mandelker: A bucket is sort of like an open face sandwich But in box version See what I'm saying? No

55:24Ronnie Karam: Why don't you put your face on a sandwich? I feel like this is when I put A fresh change of clothes And a bar of soap on a string And dragged it around the house Until Alfredo came to the kitchen to clean the oven. They did. And I don't like it. They don't understand. I can have a problem with your behavior and then reach out to you and call you as a friend.

55:49Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but you talk to me like I'm a serial killer. I mean, how do I feel like you like me? She's like, oh, no, no, no. I'm not trying to make you sound like a serial killer. You do that for yourself. I could not have been more in your corner. Which reminds me, I need to get some de-lycing medication after this.

56:10Ronnie Karam: I'm not trying to call you a serial killer, just a taste murderer. Do you understand? Is that clearer? And so Tamara's like, well, I can see why she's confused about Heather not liking me or not, because it's so nice to me to party. You know, I've been in that party by Heather that I feel a little bit, it's malipolive. Malipolive. It's malipolive. It's malipolive. It's malipolive.

56:47Ronnie Karam: Come back, Tamara. Come back. Okay, Heather's controlling. That's it. Yeah, we know. And this is so funny. It's two people who have known each other forever calling each other out for who that person is. You know, Tamara's like, Heather's a manipulative, you know, manipulative. Damn it. These shows really train you wrong. A manipulative person. And Tamara is someone that everyone's terrified of because she's mean. I mean, you're both right. Just eat your lunch. You know, at some point, you just have to be like, you are a horrible human being. And I really love getting chips with you. Let's order some.

57:28Ben Mandelker: well and you know that like heather is definitely on edge this season because the return of vicky it means that the return of the trace amigas is on the horizon and so heather's been pushed all the way down to number four and she is she is not happy about this so she goes i just because you don't like someone's behavior that doesn't mean you hate the person similarly just because you don't like the way someone acts doesn't mean that you hate them as an actor, Wendy Malick.

58:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't understand what that means. What the hell? So wait, can I be in a different box? The other people are in it? I don't want to be in the same box. I mean, maybe put me in the pretty box or something. She's like, everyone's in their own box, okay? So, you know, that's what I was trying to explain to Jen. Jen's in the stupid box. This is how she is. She didn't get it. She thinks the box is a bucket. Duh.

58:26Ben Mandelker: The most important thing is, Alfredo is not allowed to open the boxes. We give him things in bags.

58:35Ronnie Karam: So, Heather tells us that in years past, maybe she wouldn't say things directly to Tamara, because Tamara is scary. But you have to compartmentalize certain parts of people so you can toy other parts of them. You know, because, you know, when you're friends with trauma, that's how it works. You push it down. You push it down.

58:53Ben Mandelker: Well, if you have a problem with me, I just want you to tell me what the problem is, bitch. She's like, well, I told you exactly how I felt at what happened at the quiet woman. I told you I was embarrassed. Was I mincing words with you? No, I am not telling you that I've never talked about you. I have. I've laughed about you. For instance, I just told Nancy Bellow, wow, you should see the piece of garbage I have to film with tomorrow. God, worse than ever. I say these things, but I'm being very honest with you.

59:25Ronnie Karam: The other day I was telling you, you know what? You look fantastic. Whatever you're doing, I would like to do it. And then I realized I was talking to a stick of beef jerky. But the intention was there. The intention was there. Hey, wait a minute.

59:41Ben Mandelker: Tamara, I know we spend so much time asking why is there sand in your hair? But maybe we should be asking the beach, why is there Tamara Judge hair in your sand?

59:53Ronnie Karam: I think that Heather changes her personality Whoever she hangs out with What about that? So you know what? Just don't talk about me Just don't talk about me to them And she's like Okay I'm not going to On this television show About women talking about each other Yeah

1:00:10Ben Mandelker: I'm hoping that she'll stop So that way I can be the other one Talking behind one of our backs Okay? But if she doesn't These girls are going to let me know Because they're getting sick of it too Oh yeah

1:00:21Ronnie Karam: Oh gosh Can I at least be in a box with a pretty bow? With diamonds Not lab though Ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha Ha ha ha

1:00:36Ben Mandelker: Now I get it

1:00:37Ronnie Karam: So then Shannon goes to a boutique Called On K-Style Is it supposed to be On Q? Am I spelling Q wrong? It's Q-U-E Looks French

1:00:49Ben Mandelker: like it's probably only no to spanish well pardon me pardon me no sensations i'll tell you that much so shadow walks in and she goes oh well i haven't seen you for a while and the owner's like well look at you you look great what happened also we've never met before oh well what kind of bag is this and she's like oh that's john paul gautier oh well it's air mess looking and uh you have a You are doing great work. You're doing great work, lady Naomi, is it? Susan. Of course. Oh, wow. Look at me, having fun.

1:01:24Ronnie Karam: Naomi is kind of an asshole. Can we just say? Lady who works here. Not great. You come in and she goes, whoa, you look great. What happened? Well,

1:01:39Ronnie Karam: okay. I will just look at your Gucci ripoffs. Naomi. I looked up Q-U-E, and in French it means that. So on that style? It could be on that style,

1:01:54Ben Mandelker: but also O-N is also a French. That's also a word in French. Oh! It's almost like you. When you say you generally, it's like, here's something you should know about. So I don't really know what this... I don't understand this boutique. That's what I'm trying to say.

1:02:13Ronnie Karam: I don't understand most of the boutiques they go into. They're all very confusing places. So she's looking at a purse, and it's Jean-Paul Gaultier. Shannon's like, oh, well, that's very Hermes looking. No offense to Jean-Paul or Hermes. Who am I offending right now? What is this store called?

1:02:33Ben Mandelker: I appreciate they have something Hermes looking. Do you have anything that's mayonnaise tasting? I'm a little peckish. So then Carmella walks in and she's like, they're bonding, Carmella and Shannon, because they both live in the generally same neighborhood. So Shannon's like, because Shannon tells us, well, my fellow member of the ranch, Gina is throwing a surprise birthday party for Emily for her 50th birthday. And I'd love for you to come Because I can already tell that we're going to become great friends Because I need allies now that Vicky's back And Tamara may steal her So will you be friends with me neighbor?

1:03:14Ronnie Karam: Please, please When I met Carmela She had such a great energy and an attitude And Carmela's like Yeah, she's just so genuine I really feel like she's a girl's girl Yup

1:03:28Ben Mandelker: And so Shannon's like I'm so excited that she's my neighbor I'm so excited I mean, she's a bit slutty and uncouth, and I wouldn't trust my man around her. And if she goes walking on the beach with David, I will have a certainly different opinion.

1:03:42Ronnie Karam: But, like, I do love that she can be my friend. So, yes. Yeah. So then Shannon asks her about Heather. She's like, well, did you get to interact with Heather much? I know it's her party, so how was that for you? She's like, well, I did talk to her. I mean, she does throw a mean party. So that's something. I sense she doesn't really like Heather very much She's like wow It was a mean party

1:04:09Ben Mandelker: Well I know Everything is always so over the top Did you talk to Tamara right you agree she's a bitch Right your words not mine And Carmella's like yeah a little bit Not much I mean you made that comment And I'm like I like you and we see a flashback Of Shannon saying wow Tamara's dressed like Mary Queen of Angels right now Miss Conservative Which is a fucking joke And you see Carmella go, uh-huh.

1:04:36Ronnie Karam: So, you know, they're complimenting each other. They're like, you're cool. You're cool. And so Carmella's like, I mean, it was just easy with you. Instead of feeling like, are you married? Are you divorced? I'm like, oh, my God. I'm just so sick of answering the questions. I mean, my shit's messed up, you know? She's like, well, I mean, by the way, whose isn't? I can't wait for you to tell us your history so I can make this look the entire time you're talking.

1:05:00Ben Mandelker: Ooh.

1:05:05Ben Mandelker: I'm going to pretend that Miss Youngster over here has worse problems than I do right now. So that way she becomes fancier than me. But we all know that I'm the one who has terrible worst problems than this one. Okay. Okay. So how long were you married? And what sort of pain did you receive from him? She goes, probably for like 12 to 13 years. But it was like, I was like 21. I was young. Oh, you were taken advantage of. You were young, you didn't know, and he ruined your life I get it, I get it Wow, okay, we're best friends now, right Carmella, please

1:05:40Ronnie Karam: So she was married to an NFL quarterback, right? Jeff Garcia And she's like, I don't even know how it happened Because we're so different He was 34, I was 21 Yeah I don't know how that happened either

1:05:56Ben Mandelker: I mean, normally quarterbacks are famous for dating people their age or possibly even older. So I don't know how that happened.

1:06:04Ronnie Karam: Normally, quarterbacks about to age out go for someone a little older, you know, and more studied. So she's talking, she's saying that they never divorced and Shannon's like, oh, well, a lot of people stay married even though they're not. Lucky them, quote unquote. Sounds horrible to me. By the way, did you know you can get ice cream for your dog two doors down?

1:06:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah, a lot of people stay married, unless you're married to David, in which case he destroys your family. Okay, go on. Tell me more. She says, he seemed like such an adult, and he was playing for the Browns, and I would be drunk on the Jumbotron, and he asked me if I'd please stop drinking, and I'm throwing up. I was a mess. Oh, that's a great story. So when you met your ex-husband, were you working at the time? Do you have any skill sets? And she's like, I was naked in a magazine. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I love that I'm attaching my caboose to this.

1:07:07Ronnie Karam: I am a fish drinking a tiny straw right now. Oh, oh, oh. Surely by accident. It's like, yeah, I was working for Playboy at the time. He was the starting quarterback. I was the reigning playmate of the year. You know how it goes. And she goes, oh, well, that is an honor, Playmate of the Year. Ooh, ooh, ooh, wow, you're going to have a first line. You're going to be first in line to hell. I mean, you're going to get a big room in Hades.

1:07:38Ben Mandelker: So good for you. Wow. Hello, I'm calling the Slut Hotel. We have a new occupants for you. Wow. But we're friends.

1:07:50Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah. Well, you know, it was the early 2000s. everybody was at the Playboy Mansion George Clooney Michael Bay David Schwimmer heart on inducing Davey Dave Schwimmer wow

1:08:07Ben Mandelker: was anyone from Nickelback there by chance so she says I remember leaving the Halloween party one night with Leo DiCaprio and I'm like 20 years old I'm like driving to his house to the Hotwood Hills listening to like the Eminem song lose yourself and I am literally like losing myself. I didn't sleep with him though. I should have though. Then she also worked for the WWE and she goes, remember the wrestling? I was on Monday Night Raw for them. Oh, Monday Night Raw. That's, that's, is that different from when you curl up in a bathrobe and cry for two hours on your sofa feeling raw?

1:08:43Ronnie Karam: Well, that's good for you. I mean, I have Tuesday Night Cooked and Wednesday Night Uber Eats and Thursday Night I'm not eating today. Just kidding. It was ice cream in the freezer. I didn't know there was any left.

1:08:54Ben Mandelker: I have Wednesday through Sunday emotional raw.

1:09:03Ben Mandelker: Is that different?

1:09:06Ronnie Karam: So what about Friday night? Cry, cry. Fry, cry. We call it Fry, cry. What were you talking about? Centerfold! Centerfold alert! So they bond in this little store. And then they spend$1 ,200. And then we go to Tamara's house. Vicky's over there. Vicky is presumably excited to be back. I mean, you would think that she would be. It seems like she's wanted to be back for a long time. But it doesn't look like she is. Every time they show her, she's like, oh, my God. Hi, Tamara. God, I hate this. When they start fighting, she's like, oh, bleh. I don't like her snoring. I just don't like it.

1:09:43Ben Mandelker: yeah she doesn't seem to actually be enjoying this process anymore so she's finally back and everything she's like snoring through she's not yes anding anything and she's also not really contributing anything story-wise so far so vicky uh uh you have to like you're you're back at work

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