#3460 RHOC S20E02 Part Two: Thank You For Being a Fiend

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1:30Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

1:48Ben Mandelker: So Vicky, yeah, she's still nursing a bad knee. And Vicky was saying, that whole part of the day, that was weird. Like everybody was in these little classic groups I'm like why are you doing that Yeah yeah so like Jen Who I don't have the best relationship with She was like I really want to move forward And the problem is bitch I don't know if we can move forward because of Heather Because she's always talking behind your back And I think that Heather she basically is Downplaying our friendship to them Yeah

2:15Ronnie Karam: But are you really close friends with Heather I mean Heather's like surface friends She's surface friends She inherits her friends She inherits them Her friends were all her parents first We all know that

2:30Ben Mandelker: She's a people pleaser So like when somebody doesn't like her She goes to them and tries to love bomb them And be like oh my god we're such good friends Because if she does that Then they won't talk about it

2:39Ronnie Karam: I mean look she did send me a welcome back text Like welcome to the group Vicky I'm the leader of the pack Heather you're not the leader of the pack I am Do you think Heather really said I'm the leader of the pack? I don't think so. I think she just said, welcome to the group and Vicky took it that way. But it made it sound like Vicky was saying she literally said that. She's like, Heather, you're not the leader of the pack. I am. Well, God forbid. I mean, do you get mad at the greater at Walmart too? Jesus, allow people to say hello and welcome. My God.

3:11Ben Mandelker: But you know, I mean, Heather probably wrote something that was like, hello, Victoria. Welcome back to this group. You've been gone for so long. We don't even remember what your face looks like. I hope you fit in well. well, I'm sure you'll get to shoot scenes with Gina or some other newer cast members. She probably said something like that was like welcoming, but also like, you are no longer varsity level.

3:32Ronnie Karam: Yeah, like welcome. Well, I think like welcome to the group and Vicky's probably thinking like, I started this group. This is by group, okay? I started this group text. Yeah.

3:44Ben Mandelker: So Tamara says that Heather loves to reprimand her, which is true, But Heather just loves to reprimand anything and anyone. That's her true love language. Yeah, and then we see a clip.

3:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah, exactly. And we see a clip of Heather saying, I did not like the way you spoke to Emily at the reunion. And what you said about her podcast was so mean. I don't know if it's true or not, because like most other people in the world, I haven't listened to it. But the point is, whoa.

4:16Ben Mandelker: Well, what's also so funny with Heather is that they accuse her of not saying what she really feels. And then when she says what she really feels, she's always reprimanding us. She's always talking to us. It's like, what do you want? Because you get mad at her when she says what's on her mind. And so then she filters it because she's like, oh, they're getting mad at me. They don't like to hear this. So then they're like, she's not really saying what she's thinking. It's a housewife show. You just can't win. There's no winning. there's no way that heather enjoys hacking around with these people this must be exasperating for her like she just does there she's just in a totally different wavelength than everyone else not above not below just like a different wavelength because she just does not know how to communicate or relate to them which is why i think she's so funny on this show because she really is like like she's been on for so many years and still cannot truly like mix it's so funny yeah

5:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I think that Heather really only relates to – or she only talks to people that she's hired, you know what I mean, or that are other super rich people. I think other than that, it's just she's not used to being people who aren't rich or who aren't carrying something for her. I think she just looks at these ladies and she's like, why don't they have a plate in their hand that they are passing me from the left?

5:32Ben Mandelker: She's just having Alfredo bring in a stack of boxes from Uline. Okay, who wants the refrigerator size one?

5:38Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So, um, Tamara is explaining that she built this network on I heart with Teddy and then I heart gave them their own network. And so they could hire and they get a percentage from the podcast that they put in. So they tested Emily out. And, uh, when they put it in their feed, it goes out to all these subscribers. And then the people who subscribe get really pissed. Cause they're like, we're subscribed to your podcast. Why are we down getting fucking Emily? Which is a fair question.

6:08Ben Mandelker: That's fair. Yeah. So, Tamara is like, Zero gratitude whatsoever. And then she says, I'm not on your feed. I'm not this. And I'm like, are we in the twilight zone? Yes, you are, bitch. So, Tamara's saying, basically, like, if you look at the numbers, when she's on our feed, there's a huge, huge difference. And I'm assuming it's not an upswing. Yeah.

6:34Ronnie Karam: So, Vicky goes, when I hear this, I just hear, It's like Charlie Brown. It's like Charlie Brown. Just like kicking off a ball. You can't do it. Like Charlie Brown sucks. Everybody hates Charlie Brown. Like is that even a strap on your shirt? Like what is that? Stupid giant headed Charlie Brown. And then she goes, I mean, who has time to listen to all these podcasts anyway?

6:54Ben Mandelker: I mean, what are they doing? Like are they not working? I'm like, lady, the season opened with you reclining on a beach in Mexico. Also, you have a podcast.

7:03Ronnie Karam: Vicky has a podcast. You're a podcaster. but of course it's hypocrite vicky like what even is a podcast that's just stupid listen

7:15Ben Mandelker: to my podcast coming up this week so now she gets that vicky gets a text about having to go to her desert house and then um she's like talking on the phone and say some some like or something about like having to go to lake havasu and tamra's like yeah i just think it's day how fun it would be to go to havasu if they make heather dubrow go to Lake Havasu, then these producers are officially trolling her. That's hilarious.

7:41Ronnie Karam: Please do it. And then we see clips of Lake Havasu. Don being pulled over on his boat by the police. Vicky getting hit in the head with a football. That's what they're looking at all day. It's just like Vicky being slammed with a football. That was fun.

7:58Ben Mandelker: You know Heather's going to be like, Alfredo, make up a special room in the servants' quarters. We're getting someone new named Sue. we're going to a place called Havasu right we all get to Havasu no

8:11Ronnie Karam: so Vicky's like oh by the way I did tell you this but Don lives in the desert and we were at the nest and he was there and like I kind of pushed Mike off I was like get out of here so I could go up to him and yeah I got in Dom's face and I was like oh my god I hope you're doing good I regret marrying you I mean I regret divorcing you I mean what was I thinking Jesus Christ why did I do that I just wanted to hug and kiss him you know and then Mike's just standing there like hi, I'm Vicky's boyfriend, Mike. And of course, I mean, I heard about it in the car. Like, oh my God, I said, I'm so sorry.

8:40Ronnie Karam: I'm so sorry. You know, good job.

8:44Ben Mandelker: Real smooth, Vicky, real smooth. And so Tam is like - Yeah, Tom is such a good guy. He really is. And that's why it works. Oh, I'm sorry. She's talking about Mike. And Vicky's like, yeah, I don't ever worry that he's going to cheat on me. And he doesn't have to worry about me cheating because I did it once and it was a horrible outcome. So I will never cheat on Mike, Even though I did just go up to my ex and say, God, I wish I'd never divorced you. Now I'm stuck dating a bunch of stupid idiots. Just follow me around in bars, whether it's like have a sewer and whatever I are. Oh, here he is right now.

9:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you know this is going to be on TV, right, Vicky? And Mike is going to hear you say, I regret ever divorcing Don. Vicky makes it sound to us like Dom, Dom, Don, sorry, Dom. Like Don is the one that got away. I think it's still Brooks. Brooks I still think that she would be with Brooks if it didn't you know if he wasn't a total scammer but he just ran off with those teeth yeah he did so then we go to Carmela's house and um we get to

9:42Ben Mandelker: meet her really uninteresting family uh she has a bunch of kids uh like teenager types they're all everything about this household is generic it's just like generic mansion on the inside generic kids sorry I know we're not supposed to make fun of kids but it was all very generic let's be honest We've seen this house, this family set up so many times. But she's there.

10:04Ronnie Karam: And Carmela's like, hey. I'm fast-forwarding through most of this, to be honest. Carmela's like, you know, here's my family. I've got four kids, two really snotty teenagers. And the girl's like, mom, I can do it. I can do whatever I want. And then the kid comes in, and she's like, where have you been? And I was like, probably putting gel in his hair and then standing upside down on the flat surface on his head. because he came in and his hair was like, it looked like, speaking of Susan, like a lazy Susan. It was just a big, round, flat. It was kind of like the broccoli hair, but flattened down.

10:38Ronnie Karam: So then we talk about their kids, and then she tells us that Danny's her boyfriend. We see Danny for a second, and they live together full time. And she's like, make sure you put that part in there because I met him when my whole life was falling apart. And in that conversation, he told me he was divorced twice. And I'm like, well, you probably don't want kids. And he was like, I love kids. And I'm like, I'm sold. Yes. So she had a bunch of kids. Yep. Basically. Well, he accepted her kids rather. Sorry.

11:16Ben Mandelker: Basically. Yeah. She has a sort of a non-traditional setup with Jeff Garcia. who I wonder if he's going to come on the show. He let his voice be on the show, so I wonder if he's going to be on the show. Because he was a very big deal back in the day, Ronnie. I know you're not a sports gay, but he was actually quite a big football celebrity. And now she's got kids who say things to her. And then she has a kid who was supposed to go to track but didn't go to track or something really uninteresting. It was just a very long scene about her family. They have to establish here as a new person, so we spend a little bit of extra time with her family and they were all you know what it was it felt like an e-show it felt like one of those e-celebrity shows um like the uh like the all the i can't even they're so generic they happen all the time it's like the what's it called the gastino girls like things like that you know so i felt like i was just sitting there like we like took a break from bravo and we're just like watching one of these generic like the wacky life of like growing up with erica strada or something you know i just was like okay this is fine yeah i like carmella i just felt the scene was like very unremarkable

12:32Ronnie Karam: yeah i mean some people are hired for like fun interesting families and some people are hired to fight with the other people on the show and i think it's the latter with her i hope so yes yikes But also, you know, neither one of us are super into like family scenes, you know, as a general rule. So it's not her fault.

12:53Ben Mandelker: So now we go over kids, kids that were kind of everyone just felt like I felt like everyone was like winking at the camera. I was like, oh, I can't. I can't. So, yeah, now we go to their teeth. They're ready for TV. Yeah.

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16:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I've accomplished so many things. I graduated law school. I passed two bar exams. I've been married to the same man for 17 years who took 10 years to pass a bar exam. I mean, I think I'm a pretty good mom. I've got a successful podcast-ish. I've got a lot more to do, but it has to be done before 9 p.m. because I'm old and I feel very lumpy. Hold on, it's something in my pocket. It's a tuna sandwich.

16:34Ben Mandelker: So Annabelle goes, you're old. Or at least your mouth is, the part they forgot to fix. She's like, well, you're supposed to say wise. She goes, but you're not. You're just old. And then Gina, now we go to everyone arriving at Hamburger Mary's of Orange County. And they're all showing up dressed as old ladies. So Gina comes down the street and she's like, oh my god, here we are. Oh, it's drafty. Wow. And so she meets the drag queen there. She gets a lay of the land of what the party's going to be. And then one by one, they all start to arrive at this party.

17:10Ronnie Karam: Yeah, we see them in all their old lady gear. And it's hilarious, especially if you didn't remember them doing it last time they did the old lady thing, which they did on this show. Or on Summer House that they did this year. Or Vanderpump Rules when they did it. A couple years ago. It's a thing. So they're all commenting on each other being old ladies and whatever. Tamara comes in. She's forgotten her pants. She's just wearing panties. That's hilarious. You're right that Vicky does look like Mama from Mama's Family, which I liked. Yeah.

17:43Ben Mandelker: I mean, it is sort of interesting because, like, you know, Tamara mentions, like, I'm just 52 and I'm 56 or whatever, or 58. But like you do – I do often think – I think two things. What would the Golden Girls look like in 2026 knowing that like styling around – styling in your 50s looks very different now than it did in the 80s. Like what would the Golden Girls look like now? And then I also think the other way around, which is what would these women look like if they were not in Orange County and not on TV and they did – because people do still – by the way, people still very much also have the Golden Girls.

18:23Ben Mandelker: look in their 50s. You know, I've definitely been to I've seen people around in different areas and like that little perm comes out at a certain age. Some people just go for it, you know? And so part of me wonders, what would these women have looked like if they decided not to go for like a Orange County, long blonde hair or reality TV look if they did go for just a little perky little bob. And so it was kind of fun because I feel like And some of them I could actually see like, oh, this is actually what you would look like if you went this path.

18:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah, if you didn't do hair pieces and Botox and lifts and this and that. I mean, yeah, extensions, you know, and I'm with you. I'm a wig away from it, you know, so I'm like, don't do it. You know, don't do it. Keep on the path. Cut it. Snip it. Inject it. So now they're making small talk with Carmella. Oh, by the way, I was going to say one of my favorite memes that came out probably who knows when, like 10 years ago or something, was the Golden Girls as they would look now, like if they were real housewives. I would love to see that. I haven't seen that. Oh, it's so good. I don't have it, obviously, but I just remember seeing it and cracking up.

19:38Ronnie Karam: They make them look like real housewives, and it's so, so good. So they're making small talk with Carmela and asking her about Corona Del Mar. And she's like, well, yeah, I'm in San Diego and Corona Del Mar. Because when I went through my separation, I just needed a breath of fresh air. So, you know, that's what you do. And Gina likes her. And Shan's like, well, she was a playmate. She was a playboy playmate of the year. So what do you think about that?

20:07Ben Mandelker: I won't say that she was a massive slut, but I'll let you guys all say it for me. Because she's my friend. And I can't go against my Rancho Bernardo sister. Yes.

20:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, she's a badass real estate agent, too. What about that? Do you have any rentals? I'm totally good for it. I'm totally, totally good for it. And Gina's like, I'm a developer. Okay, she's in development. And I think that's good for our friendship. Because we're, like, in different lands.

20:35Ben Mandelker: Gina acting like if they were both real estate agents, like, there would be some serious friction. Almost like Gina would be, like, pushing her out of the market. Like, oh, yeah. Well, guess what? These one-bedroom apartments in retirement living, this is my territory. You better back off.

20:55Ronnie Karam: So Tamara is complimenting her rings, and she's like, oh, this big ruby ring is actually a gift because my husband cheated. And I was like, oh, I'm never wearing this again because I realized what it was from. But God, I love it, don't you?

21:10Ben Mandelker: i found out that he'd been unfaithful kind of by accident he left an ipad on the nightstand and there was a letter written to a woman on the phone and the phone number that he gave was a different number and i was like hello no hell no you motherfucker so uh by the way what is up with these guys eating on the largest possible mobile devices why does this keep happening it's the

21:33Ronnie Karam: ipad they're always caught on a freak it was probably the giant one too it's probably the one that's like this big gotta be you know and then you gotta love that he's smart enough to buy a burner phone or an alternate phone but then he's writing emails on his ipad like the most traceable fucking thing you can do what an idiot it's crazy so tamra's like are you guys still

21:56Ben Mandelker: together she's like no so you're divorced well we're not legally divorced you know because california's like 50 50 and she basically is like i did not want to give up like custody so So they basically stay together. They're still together, but they're in their own relationships. Purely so that way they don't have to have a custody agreement, which was pretty interesting, I thought. And I mean, it looks like it works for them. So great.

22:22Ronnie Karam: So Vicky's like, wait a minute. So does he live at the house of Rancho Bernardo? Would you live here? And she's like, no, we have another house that he lives in with his girlfriend. She's like, I hate that you own a house with him, and he's got another girl in there. I don't like it. I don't like that.

22:36Ben Mandelker: It's a Rancho Bernardo thing, Vicky. You wouldn't get it. Something for us girlfriends. Who would know? Sorry, Carmela. She's a little slow.

22:43Ronnie Karam: Well, you know what? But I like his girlfriend. And she's nice to my kids. So Tamara's like, well, when you're in North Carolina, do the kids stay with him? She's like, yeah, basically. You know, they'll all stay over. We share with the kids. Everything's great. You know, even holidays, a girlfriend comes over. We all spend it together. And Vicky's like, whoa. That is a lot of dysfunction for a fourth, fifth, and sixth grader. Okay, Vicky. You fucking hypocrite. Have you seen your own actions on this show? Please watch them again. Please watch this show again.

23:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Also, didn't they give Katie Janela a huge amount of shit for the fact that she had a similar arrangement with the kids who were in San Diego and coming up here and going down to San Diego? And they're like, bitch. And now they're like, oh, cool. That's great. Good to have you, Kamala. Because there's a football player involved. I think they're all like, wow.

23:31Ronnie Karam: Well, they were shaming Katie Janela for one of her kids not wanting to live with her and going to live with...

23:37Ben Mandelker: her father in atlanta but there was also some other stuff about like remember there's the whole thing of like do you live in do you live in san diego or do you live in orange county which one is it and she's like well i had residence down there and we moved up it was actually so stupid i didn't even commit at all to memory i think it was one of those where they

23:55Ronnie Karam: were accusing her of trying to just move here to be on the show right which happens it's like a big potomac thing where people will fly in and get a get a house just to be on the show um but yeah so gina's like oh my god where's emily we need our birthday queen so it's hamburger marries it's bingo it's drag queen bingo and here comes emily

24:21Ben Mandelker: oh well i couldn't find any of you i don't know why oh my god this is hilarious you know i feel like i got dropped off at one of the wrong places and then i saw victoria and she looks just like thoma harper from mama's family and then tamar and vicky look like them they just escaped from hospice and someone's looking for them is thelma harper mama's name from mama's family

24:43Ronnie Karam: was that her name god i don't remember i was so young i thought you said that not her um it is thelma harper i just knew her as mama i was a little yeah i just only knew her really as mama but yeah she's vicky uh so they play bingo and then she wins bingo i think right Doesn't Emily win bingo?

25:05Ben Mandelker: Well, I think Heather actually wins it and gives her winning sheet to Emily to claim. Oh. New hip!

25:12Ronnie Karam: New hip! So she goes up and the drag queens... The drag queens are just wearing... The makeup is very confusing now. The drag queen trended makeup. That they just put a literal white gold, almost triangle from their forehead down to their mouth. It's so weird. It's like a mask on top. are you trying to rob a bank what's happening it looks like they're like old hollywood makeup under an old like under other makeup i don't understand what's happening i wonder i actually

25:43Ben Mandelker: i know that's like a thing i do wonder is it like a i wonder what the origins of that is it just like a style thing or because like you know what those like old like uh old movies when they have like a glamour shot of like yeah you know whatever like a lady they'll like have this light that'll just be it's almost like a um it's almost like a shadow mask oh yeah yeah light beautiful light on your face it's like it's like Robert are you sure you want to leave and so like I wonder if there's like any origins with that I will find I don't know because I've noticed it's a drag thing

26:15Ronnie Karam: like it's a trend amongst drag queens and I just don't know what it is although sometimes if you get it like right in the right light you're like whoa you know it's like right in the right light in the right angle it's like oh my god you see something it's like one of those pictures when you're passing if you look really closely and focus your eyes a certain way or look at it a certain angle you can suddenly see what it's supposed to be i don't know but anyway it's interesting so she wins huh i said we'll report back yeah well yeah some drag queens will probably comment to us to make listen here you stupid bitch yeah i really am curious yeah so um then let's see what else so they have fun at this drag party and um emily is supposed to give a speech but she thankfully doesn't she's just like thank you for this honor of turning 50 i look old i feel

27:07Ben Mandelker: old as fuck but i don't look old as fuck and everyone's like yay yeah so then afterwards Whereas Emily's like, you know, I know it's just like the actual number when you say it. It just sounds old. And Vicky's like, yeah, well, wait till you get to be 63 turning 64. She's like, wow, well, I'm asking the elders at the table. And Heather's like, oh, how about wise people instead or rich people? Well, I guess that's just me. But you know what I'm saying?

27:35Ronnie Karam: I was going to say you're at the wrong table.

27:37Ben Mandelker: Actually, for both of those things. Well, it is the wise. It is the wise table. Why did you say that? Why would you do that? Why would you ever assume I would do such a thing?

27:50Ronnie Karam: Hey, guys, let's give Emily advice on what it's like to be in your 50s. So Tamara's like, you know, I was in your 50s, you don't worry about your smile stuff. I feel like, you know, I thrive in my 50s than I did any other era of my life. And Heather's like, wait, hold on a second. Being totally real here, everyone. do do do do do do do do do do the thing you have to be careful about in your 50s is your own brain because hormones are different and lifetimes gets a little bit tumultuous and things shift in your friendships in your relationship and how you handle it and how you're how you talk to yourself is going to define you will you have somebody there cleaning up your kitchen or will you do Do it yourself.

28:37Ronnie Karam: I say Alfredo for life. What am I, an idiot? God, I'm not dead. I'm 50.

28:45Ben Mandelker: It's important to have your brain engaged. That's why when I ask Alfredo to mop the floor, I first scramble the words and then unscramble it for him and then say mop the floor.

28:58Ronnie Karam: When he unscrambles the words, they spell out mop the floor.

29:04Ben Mandelker: we have a fun tradition where i where i basically turn mop the floor into a sudoku puzzle and uh and i just solve it even though i already know the answer um i like what she says she's saying like yeah it's really important your brain changes and you've got to preserve your brain and jenny goes good advice oh jen it's too late for you that thing went out the window at 18

29:28Ronnie Karam: Well, I'll tell you when I turned 50 I thought I was old And then I realized I'm not old I'm just abandoned

29:37Ben Mandelker: Now in my 60s You know, I hate the number But I feel younger than I ever have See, I'm a very happy person in my 60s You can see When you're in your 60s You go on dating shows And while other people on the dating show Get strapping young men you get stuck with someone named Earl the Pearl who doesn't eat vegetables. So I love being in my 60s. The options are wonderful.

30:03Ronnie Karam: Okay, Vicky. You tell us how about the 60s. I hate it. I hate it. It's terrible. Sucks. Because my mortality is staring me in the face. I could be dead soon. It sucks.

30:15Ben Mandelker: Don't say that. Vicky's talking about dying forever. And they showed that hilarious clip when they were in the middle of Costa Rica or something. And Vicky turns around in the middle of the jungle and goes, you guys, you know what's going to be sad is one day when one of us dies.

30:36Ronnie Karam: One of us is going to die. So Gina's like, well, Vicky, I felt it when I was turning 40. And they're like, shut up, stupid child. Oh, I think the 40s. What an amazing decade for women. In your 40s, that's when your brains, Okay, Heather, wrap it up. Jesus Christ. We don't need a speech for every decade. For fuck's sake.

30:58Ben Mandelker: Ah, yes, in your 40s. Because you're old enough to be an adult and to know yourself. But young enough to still say, gosh, I'm glad I don't look like Wendy Malick.

31:09Ronnie Karam: And sometimes in your 40s, you get to marry the man of your dreams. Latina! Oh, yes. And Jen's like, well, or you don't marry the man of your dreams. And that's okay if you don't marry the man of your dreams. because sometimes the man of your dreams isn't really ready to be married yet and you'll be married when the time is right

31:27Ben Mandelker: and Carmella's like yeah I've dated somebody on and off for the last decade so we're in a rebuild trust situation oh my god why are we rebuilding trust can I ask because of infidelity yeah yeah she's almost like saying it like I mean I feel like Carmella's almost like, isn't this cool? I have a storyline. I have a storyline built in. This is what you guys are all going to get to see, is me trying to decide if I can trust my boyfriend. It's pretty cool, right?

31:59Ronnie Karam: She's like, don't worry, it wasn't me who cheated. Well, wait, was it long-term? It was a one-night stand. It was just a one-night stand. And Heather's like, wait a minute, did he give you the ring? Or was that your ex-husband, your kind of ex-husband who cheated? Which one was it? She's like, no, yeah, they both cheated. And it's been an internal struggle. You know, you're going to hear about it Shannon's like, well, well, to me I mean, cheating, that's a red flag Ooh! Ooh! Did he find the slut on the beach? Did she have blonde hair? And is she trying to get on this show right now?

32:31Ben Mandelker: Wow, this is a new one The slut getting cheated on with another slut Ha! Wow! Let's call that redemption So Tamara's like, yeah, that's a big red flag He's like, well, I'm not understanding Carmella at all Her ex has been cheated on her She's got four kids and she's like moving around a lot like lord knows i haven't always been stable with my decisions but we have a responsibility with our children so i don't know like how our children are going to be affected by all of this like why don't you be concerned about how like the kids that are growing up under the reign of ryan who wouldn't let you put someone put their shoes up on a sofa

33:05Ronnie Karam: yeah maybe you should go check brianna's essential oils page yeah and her the nurse giving medical advice to use essential oils to get rid of all of your medical ills give me a fucking break lady and it's just vicky you know and it's like this time that we're living in do we really just need vicky's fucking moralizing and shit back i just don't need to hear it from vicky you know and waving at the airplane in mexico like bye stupid people i'll pay you later for that foot job get away from here get away from here yeah so carmella's saying you know she loves danny

33:43Ben Mandelker: and that's the reason why he's here and she believes that he's sorry and she believes he's changing and she struggles getting over what took place because especially after she left a marriage with four children for that very same reason. Well, Carmella, it might be time to work on yourself and why you like to go with cheaters. I mean, the first one we get because he was like an NFL star. They don't choose to go with cheaters. They cheat on you. No, I know, but like she's still going back to this guy after he cheated. It's like I think he cheated. I think move on. Just because I know it's going to be a whole season of like I'm just like trying to rebuild Jaws and I don't know if I can trust you and I don't know if I can trust you.

34:26Ben Mandelker: I don't know. It's like leave him to start fresh. Find a new one.

34:30Ronnie Karam: I mean I don't know. I don't know her well enough to care that much yet. Not to you by the way. No I know.

34:38Ben Mandelker: I'm laughing because I know at one point you will get to know her well enough and you still won't care.

34:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I mean, I just, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. I don't care. I don't care right now, though. Here comes one right now. One thing my mom loves is to bargain hunt. She will go to a garage sale, to a flea market, any old sale at the mall. I'm taking her from sale to sale to sale to sale. And I finally found someplace online that I can just park her and she'll have the time of her life. And that is WhatNot.

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37:12So Jen's like, well, okay, Heather, I want to talk about something.

37:18Ronnie Karam: You know, I feel that it wasn't my space to share with Tamara a conversation that you and I had. She's like, I appreciate you saying that. Okay. Okay, flora mop. Well, no. Rearrange.

37:36Ben Mandelker: Rearrange. Okay, Jen, we're going to do a quick word scramble. Can you figure it out? The letters are P-M-O. Um, E-M-O. Ump? No. Scrambl it. Re-scramble it. Umpa? No. One more try. Mop? There you go. Okay, as requested, here it is. You can wipe this up.

37:55Ronnie Karam: Thank you. No, you're supposed to say, umpo, because you are.

38:00Ben Mandelker: Okay You can add an I at the top of that I'm Poe

38:06Ronnie Karam: So you know Quite frankly I put on this party And spent a lot of money And then you put my name In your mouth and you're sort of teaching How we're going to be together And if we have a conversation And I feel like you're going to twist it And she's like well you know you were talking about Not having a buddy I mean do you not feel close to Tamara That's why Tamara comes up That's why she came up okay but that's also another thing that she said to you privately that you're bringing up

38:34Ben Mandelker: yeah also what i loved about this what's really not you have to really be seeing this you have to have like an eagle eye to see this because it was not highlighted but like jen started to say something in the middle of heather's little monologue here and heather sort of put her hand forward she did like the like the the gandalf you shall not pass but in heather speak that that That hand was doing the, my turn, still me. And I was like, oh, it's back. She's like, nope, you do not get to talk. Here is my palm. I am stopping your words. My turn. So I just love that.

39:08Ronnie Karam: Oh, for God's sake, this stuff just bores my ass. It just bores my ass. Can we just judge somebody for being a terrible mother? Can we go back to that?

39:16Ben Mandelker: So now Heather does the thing. She does the variation of the claw hands where she puts her claw hands together almost as if she is building a trinket. She goes, it gets twisted and repeated and you bring it up and then you repeat what I'm talking about, but you're bringing her up. Do you understand? Okay. The new word is O-R-O-M-B. O-R-O-M-B. Jen, can you figure that out? I'm a mop, boomer. I'm a mop. Broom. Broom. The word is broom. Sweet.

39:53Ronnie Karam: I'm here right now. I can hear them talking about it. I can hear nothing. I can hear. And Heather's like, do you understand what I am saying, poor person? She's like, yeah, I do. I understand. Well, you feel certain ways that you think I'm feeling, and I don't feel that way. And if we're both venting about something, that doesn't mean I have a global issue with someone.

40:18Ben Mandelker: Well, then don't share with me your real feelings, which is so funny. Jen, who has been like, I just think we should all be out in the open about what we feel and say. Now she's like, well, then stop sharing with me how you really feel.

40:30Ronnie Karam: But then stop asking me. Because the whole thing came from Jen badgering Heather with questions and then using the answers against her. So she says she likes Jen, but I feel the wind taken out of my sails. So I'm putting her in the stepping back box.

40:49Ben Mandelker: And then I'm pushing that box off the end of a pier. So then Jen is like, who is Heather? And if you're doing this to Tamara, what are you doing behind my back? I feel like Heather doesn't even care enough. I mean, Heather did some casual behind the back stuff with Jen a few years ago. And she was like, I saw her at the department store. And she was trying to buy a Dolce & Gabbana dress. And I said, H &M is that way. So Jen is like, I have no right to use any of your words that you share with me. and anything that you share with any of us girls. And what you have with Tamara is your business, and it's not mine.

41:29Ben Mandelker: Thank you. Thank you for acknowledging that.

41:32Ronnie Karam: Okay, now that you guys are done, I need to talk to Tamara about the podcast thing. I don't want to have something that's detrimental to us. We've been friends, and you're upset because I posted and said we moved our own feed, and I didn't say thank you. She's like, right, yeah, that's about right. You dumb bitch. She's like, wow, I did that because iHeart texted me and said, could you post this? So I literally did something I was asked to do.

41:58Ben Mandelker: I just thought it was a business logistical thing. And I just asked him what was asked of me. She's like, okay, well, when someone's like, I'm not on your feed. I'm not like, I'm not like that. Like, yeah, you are. I'm like, my concern is, it's just, just like, it's grateful. That's it. Like, they're grateful. And so Jeremy's like, you know, you don't go to the grabbies and just say, I did it myself. Steph, there's a thank you speech you do. I was like, okay, let's relax Bonnie Raitt, okay? You're not - The Grammys. You're not getting a Grammy, okay? Like, this is not - You're not one of, like, the major awards.

42:34Ben Mandelker: You just have, like, you just have a shady reality TV podcast like the rest of us.

42:39Ronnie Karam: That's what I'm saying. Emily is like, well, I'm trying to get to the point where we're respecting and not yelling, but you have to admit that was mean. She goes, okay, that was mean. Payne, I will say would you not also acknowledge that you weren't still on our feed? She's like, yeah, that is kind of an important point. That she went on there and said, we're not even on your feed. What are you talking about? When they literally were. You know, Emily does have a problem with the truth sometimes. And she's still not going to admit it.

43:09Ben Mandelker: This RSS fight is really, it's a real humdinger. So Gina's like but whether she does or not Like why would you want to cut her And Tamara's like well why would she not be Grateful to me she's like I am grateful We can just support each other and say You're doing great I'm doing great we're both Benefiting from it yeah Cause I make money off you

43:34Ronnie Karam: Good one because your whole argument has been That you really don't make money off of her I don't know It's like what You make a little bit Yeah and so Emily says that she She thinks that Tamara is jealous of her success. Emily, no.

43:53No.

43:54Ronnie Karam: I don't even really know what to say to that except look for another answer because that's not the one. And she's like, why else would you be so vindictive and mean about something that's doing well? Because you accused her of going to bloggers last year at the end of the season and turned on her. That's why. Why are you acting like this came out of left field? It was like a, you know, a get back to you for the shitty things that you did to her. Do you not remember this? And siding with Gretchen, of all people. Yeah.

44:26Ben Mandelker: So they basically apologized and they decided they're just going to move forward. And then I was like, so what are we arguing about? She's like, we're not. Oh. So Gina's like, you know, it's like I'm gonna give you something, weaponize it and then like make you say thank you and like I honestly feel like Emily's showing so much restraint as like a 50 year old like because like 49 year old Emily would have like fucking dragged Tamara across the table but now that she's 50 she's like old and decrepit and she doesn't remember her name anymore probably

44:58Ronnie Karam: But I'm sorry for what I said when I was angry It wasn't an accurate thing to say Thank you And the thing is, if you don't have a good product, it's not going to work. But you do, which is why you're not on our feed anymore. Congratulations.

45:14Ben Mandelker: Thank you for acknowledging it. It does very, very well. Annabelle says it's her least favorite podcast, which means it's got to be pretty good. Yeah, like this is how mature women handle things, okay? Women of a certain age.

45:28Ronnie Karam: So now they sing happy birthday to Emily. and um tamra has a knife and emily's like you might want to take that away from tamra and they all cheers and emily's like cheers to being 50 and not fat

45:45Ben Mandelker: and she also does one of those like silly oversized bites you know because like emily's emily's whole thing is to be be silly with food which probably speaks to a larger issue but she's just being all goofy with her cake again and then Tam is like by the way you never look better and so then Tam is like by the way this is for you these are my pewds and she takes some of the wig hair she stuffed in her crotch and gives it to Emily and on that note the episode ends

46:18Ronnie Karam: that's it so Real Housewives of Owens County everybody thank you so much for being here it's a weekend think about that

46:25Ben Mandelker: It's the weekend. We made it. And guess what? I'm actually just, I'm going to go to Orange County right now, believe it or not. So I'm really into this immersive crappance experience. I went to Santa Clarita. Now I'm going to Orange County. I just want to make sure I'm one with all the geographical locations. I love that. Well, have a good time. Thank you. You too. Have a great weekend and I'll see you soon here in LA, Ronnie. Yes. Bye everybody. Bye. Welcome to the club. Everybody say my name. Walk into the mall and Same

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