#3469: In the City S1E10 Part 2: Mom Fights and Turning West

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2:06Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

2:19Ronnie Karam: It was a huge moment, Ben, because Kyle had sober sex and he deserves a medal. Like everyone's like, wow, Kyle had sober sex. Kyle, congratulations on having sober sex. And he's like, so was the sober sex with Sally? And he goes, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hell no. I have to be wasted for that. Yeah. And Amanda goes, no, one was my age. Like one was like 10 years younger, but reads older. so was that Ava Ava's not her age Ava's younger right

2:55Ben Mandelker: Ava is younger so maybe that's what she meant but that also sounds like Amanda did not approve of that one because why would you say one was younger than me but reads older that's like a that's a bit of a dig I think that you're gonna if you say that to someone unless she's trying to quote unquote protect Kyle to make it seem like he's not robbing the cradle

3:18Ronnie Karam: I think it's a diss at Kyle for dating a young, you know, for like middle age crisis thing going for a young lady or whatever. But I don't know. So, wait, when was my age? When was 10 years younger but reads older? So did she mean she meant 10 years younger than Kyle, right? Oh, I thought. You see? Now we're doing it. Now we're doing it like the reunion. I know.

3:45Ben Mandelker: I was like, I thought she meant 10 years younger than her, but maybe she meant 10 years younger than Kyle. It's hard. You know, it's a very nuanced show. Super. So then Andy is like, all right, let's put a pin in this. Okay.

4:00Ronnie Karam: So let's, we'll get back into Kyle and Amanda's marriage later. Oh, thank God. Really have not talked enough about Kyle and Amanda's marriage. You know what? Do it for another five weeks. Just keep it going. I want it going until Christmas.

4:14Ben Mandelker: Yes. seriously. So we are back to, we're going to put a pin in this. And now these days, let's talk about Lindsay getting activated. It looks a lot different for Lindsay Hubbard. This new mom found herself sandwiched between a baby, a core group of New York city friends, girlfriends and an utterly unpredictable love life. So he's basically like, Oh, Andrea, you were got really excited when you saw that Lindsay, you know, when you were trying to set up Lindsay, what's, what's been going on there. Oh yeah. but she's still going strong with the milkman and he's like you are she's like yeah yeah not to advertise that oh yikes and everyone's like wow and he says you know that that's kelly dot one of kelly dodd's exes right it's like yeah i know but he's like really hard and i'm not like really looking for anything serious i'm gonna get it right this time because like i've gotten it wrong so many times and um she's like yeah everyone gets nicer when they're getting laid right look at kyle he's glowing and everyone's laughing he's like summer sex summer sex summer sex is the best wow kyle the dignity that you have in this moment i have to say it's just you're just a you're a man of men i just i'm so proud of you you are a hero to men kyle

5:40Ronnie Karam: a hero to men. So Georgina's saying she sees Lindsay with someone ambitious and, you know, great. And the country guy, the country star guy checked all those boxes, but well, haven't heard from him. So, you know, we'll just stick with the milkman for a while. He does have a milk company based on hot guys delivering milk, like the old days. So I approve, Andy. I approve. And Yvonne's like, yeah, Lindsay needs somebody who prioritizes her. And really can calm things down at her best friend's wedding. That would really be appreciated because her best friend felt pretty disrespected.

6:22Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I think that's what she needs. And then Andrea's like, yeah, yeah, well, she's right about that part related to Frank. He should be more available, you know. So, Andy's like, okay, Danielle, what do you think of Frank and Dustin as potential mates for Lindsay? And she's like, um, I'm not going to comment on Lindsay. I know not to do that anymore. I've learned several lessons. And I do think that what Georgina and Nuvon said is spot on. But yeah, me perhaps a little someone more grounded and ready for someone like her be better. Like, yeah, Frank the Milkman's terrible. Okay, I said it. I said it.

6:55Ben Mandelker: Why is she still with that man? Why is she still with him?

6:58Ronnie Karam: So what does Georgina think about Lindsay? What does Georgina think about dating, rather? And Georgina's like, well, I'm almost ready. and you know a friend said uh told me this and it really stuck with me she said her parents split up when she was really young and they both remarried and then she had more people to love her i just found that so beautiful hey georgina you shouldn't be with someone to um uh because you're half empty you should be with somebody because you're overfilling and you need to share your glass with somebody there yeah i can be that friend to you um so then andy's like well uh ali w emailed congrats to danielle ivan and lexi lindsey and georgina what is the best parenting advice you have to offer our soon-to-be moms so lindsey's like my advice is just go with it and you can't control how it's all gonna go down and what bitches are gonna say you're playing with are in certain cars, so just have fun with it and go along.

8:00And Georgina's like, well, basically, look, I had one baby. I would hear the baby crying and I would drop everything, you know, and I would run to the baby. And then by the second one, I was like, fuck it. The baby's crying. I have time to make a cappuccino, do my nails. What are you going to do? The baby's still going to cry. Fuck it. That's what I say. That's my advice.

8:21Ronnie Karam: So, uh, then let's switch gears. Kenny Cotts smoke for moving Whitney all the way to New York without giving her a ring or a closet. But rumors that Kenny and Whitney's relationship lacked a spark and this entire group all lit up. God, that's good. I just got that reading that back on the card. That is funny. So Gabby from Schmabby says, Kenny, why is it so crazy for Lindsay to say that it's a big gesture for your girlfriend to move across the country from her friends without a ring?

8:58Ben Mandelker: Like, do you not agree? He's like, well, I agree it's a big gesture and she's projecting her situation onto my relationship. You have to understand, women are irrational and emotional. They just don't understand things. I think statistically their brains are just a bit smaller than men's. So, you know, I'm trying to hold space for that. Sorry, Andy.

9:18Ronnie Karam: You know, it's just like Will Smith saying, Andy, women just don't understand. That was parents. I don't remember it that way, but okay. It's like Will Smith also saying, it's like a nightmare on Hubbard Street.

9:33Ben Mandelker: No, that's not what he's saying.

9:42Ronnie Karam: So he's immediately, he's not going to let this go. He does not take it that way, and he's not going to listen to that. And Yvonne jumps in. She's like, Kenny, I think she was just asking. Lindsay's like, let him finish, let him finish. Okay, just let him finish. And Andy's like, okay, yeah, before the minions step up. So Whitney's like, yeah, you know what? It was very intense. Like, if you're saying it was out of my best interest, you would have just asked questions. But I did ask questions. but you were insinuating judgment on the questions versus just understanding and hearing his perspective on the question.

10:22I'm just asking questions and he's like looking around, making sure you're not right there to make sure you don't know that he fucked around on you. Well, so like we talked, well, we talked about all that and his past.

10:36Ben Mandelker: Okay, well, and Kenny's like, okay, let's not like paint some picture here like I was a fuck boy. Okay, I've had an 11-year relationship, an 8-year relationship. Okay, so when I can finish, let me know. Gaslighter. When I can finish, let me know. When I can finish, let me know. He's like, okay, so there was a time where we took a step apart. When I can finish, let me know. When I can finish, let me know.

11:05Ronnie Karam: We took a step apart, and I was going through some very, very difficult family shit. Okay? When I finish Let me know and I can talk Okay I will let you know But when you're going through something And you lose the only person in your life That literally The person that is closest to you The person That gave birth to When I can finish let me know You is my mother That is who gave birth to me And Whitney's like that is not true And Lindsay's like, um, let me know when I can finish Whitney's like, oh my god You just talk over one Everyone, let someone else speak Well Okay, Lindsay, what do you want to say?

11:53We are letting you know that you can finish now Well, I was making a point to Kenny Saying, wow, your girlfriend is committing hard To you right now, and don't fuck around That's me taking Whitney's side That's me taking the perspective Of the female to say, as you're Looking around, and your friends are saying that you were a fuck boy my response is don't fuck around on her i mean that's how i took that that's how everyone on the show it was yeah benign what he said she was so benign she's

12:24Ben Mandelker: just like uh this lady literally just moved across the country so don't fuck it up like it's the most standard like like non-offensive thing to say but he's so fragile uh and he's so concerned about his image that he immediately, you know, spirals downwards.

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14:43And Andy's like, can I just say something? I'm going to finish. Can I just say something? Let me know when you're finished. Okay, I will. Let me know. Okay, Lindsay, it didn't seem to land with Whitney that you were being a girl's girl. And Whitney's like, yeah, because if you were being a girl's girl, you would pull me aside.

15:02Ronnie Karam: Whitney, you dingbat. why would someone pull you aside who they don't even know not that she knew Kenny that well but why would she pull Kenny's new girlfriend aside to say wow you moved across the country for this guy that guy better treat you right and not fuck around on you no she would say that to the guy what good does it do to say to you

15:23Ben Mandelker: yeah it doesn't do anything and in fact if anything it sort of like makes it more of a thing if you have like a private conversation and again And it literally has to do with Kenny and not with you. And if Lindsay did that, Kenny would be like, well, I don't like that she's pulling you aside and talking shit about me behind my back. She should say it to my face. But then she says it to his face, and he is totally shattered by it because he's delicate.

15:50Ronnie Karam: And he also twists everything to be that everyone's against me, and you're against me, and you're turning all the women against me. and I don't think any of these things really prove that. He's just kind of twisting everything to be a drama queen on TV, you know? Like the whole, and we'll get into this next, but it's like, oh, the women are all coming for me and, you know, you're just a group of mean girls and then I'm just gonna happen to go find my dad while I'm on TV. I mean, this guy is like bored for a reality show and he's pulling out every trick in the book for his first season.

16:23Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and I do believe that like someone is turning the women against Kenny and I think that person is Kenny. I think Kenny is not realizing that he has a repulsive personality and that he's very condescending to women and that the moment that there's even like the lightest sense or potential for criticism, he immediately turns it around and starts painting all the women as hysterical and mean girls, irrational, emotional, you know, all the things. He just leans right into all the stereotypes when all Lindsay said was, hey, you better don't fuck around on her because she's making a big sacrifice for you.

17:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she made a big sacrifice to treat her right. And he's like, how dare you suggest? Whatever. Okay, well, Amanda, Arizona from Ice-T said, how are you going to go off on Lindsay when you straight up told Kyle you were questioning if there were sparks with Whitney in the first episode? Lindsay has you clocked. And, oh, no, that was to Kenny. I'm sorry. And Kenny's like, well, you know, we spoke about the fact. I mean, I've had an 11-year relationship. I've had an 8-year relationship. Okay, Kenny, you're a very monogamous person who also has access to a feed of Gavin's Bars so you can check out Hot Girls.

17:45Like, you were the one who said that, you know?

17:49Ronnie Karam: like it doesn't make you a bad person but to be like oh my resume my linkedin resume as far as women goes is completely solid and it doesn't even matter because no one was questioning that

18:01Ben Mandelker: in the first place oh yeah that's the thing is that no one was saying he was a fuck boy gavin made a joke he said oh it's giving fuck boy but no one actually said well kenny's a fuck boy that was actually never the the the talk going into the into the season or the episode he's the one who brought it there. And now he's like, and I was, look, I've been in two monogamous relationships. I just lost my mom. And by the way, an eight year relationship and an 11 year relationship. What that says to me is I see someone who does not commit actually, because I don't see someone. I mean, actually I shouldn't say that because you could get a long-term relationship and not be married.

18:38Ben Mandelker: Hello, I'm in one, but I just feel like in the world of this, of this group, it feels like they are so concerned about commitments and rings and pregnancies and mom. There's actually a very traditional thing going on with this group that if you're saying you were in two different relationships, long-term relationships, but there was no rings, there was no weddings that happened. To me, I'm actually like, oh, so you're a commitment phobe. Even though the years seem to say the other way. Like a marriage, like maybe a marriage phobe. commitment and i say that only because like i see whitney and kenny as being more traditionalists right i definitely see whitney as as that so it's like okay whitney well there's also an element of like you're you're moving all the way across country to be with a guy who was in two different relationships that never led to a ring so also consider that and again i'm saying i'm not someone who believes that there ever has to be a ring but i just think in the world of these people it seems like it's very important to them.

19:43Ben Mandelker: I mean, if we're based on the vibe of Yvonne having a temper tantrum, that her third wedding celebration was ruined, that like this stuff matters a lot to them.

19:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's better, you know, being with somebody who's been in long-term relationships, being with someone who's not had any track record or being with someone with like three divorces, you know, it's like, what? I don't really know because I'm not a relationship person, but I think Whitney, you know, was a bachelor contestant so there's your first clue that someone really really wants marriage and all of that yeah and then she moves cross country and this whole show is about like having kids and settling down and you know it's kind of the theme of the show not necessarily marriage but like having kids and doing the adult things including marriage and babies and you know kenny's that Whitney watched this show and is justifying everything that Kenny said.

20:39Ronnie Karam: Like he can reword it however he wants to, which he does now. And he does the my mom passed away card a lot, which is I hate to call it a card because his mom did actually pass away. And that's terrible. But like to be in an argument, be like everything, everything is my mom passing away. I think it's it makes me kind of uncomfortable to hear him using that over and over again. and Whitney, you know, he said on the show, I'm not feeling a spark. Like, I'm not really feeling, like, she's really nice, but I'm not feeling a long, that long-term excitement, like, where you get excited to be with somebody, and you get that love where you're so excited.

21:18Ronnie Karam: You said all of this on the show, you're not feeling the spark. So, now to change it to be like, well, my mom passed away, though and i've been in all these other long relationships and it's just if i'm taking a really long time to say whitney all the signs are here stop making excuses for all of these things and go find somebody with the spark this is somebody who's just like okay it's time to do this i'm on a tv show i need a girlfriend and i'm supposed to do these things for a plot that's what it's giving i mean you guys may have dated before this what she says they did they started before the show even came in so she's not thirsty yeah but he didn't move you here until the week of shooting so i don't know this shit's fishy i wouldn't there's so many signs and the way he talks to women and stuff is just come on whitney get together you know he does he does use the mom

22:12Ben Mandelker: card thing a lot but i i would think that what he would say is like i was going through a lot you know, my mom had just passed. I was in an emotional space. And for that, I apologize because I wasn't in the right state of mind. Instead, he's saying, I was going through, I was in an emotional space. So therefore you should apologize to me. Like that's what he is saying here. But yeah, the point is that like when he offers this up as an as an excuse for why he's actually like, like he should be exonerated or let off the hook for his behavior. I'm like, I don't know. Because the more I look at it, the more it doesn't actually seem great for him.

22:54Ben Mandelker: So anyway, he's talking about how he was grieving.

22:56Ronnie Karam: It's just a lot of signs. It's a lot of signs that you're ignoring Whitney. This is more to her than to him. And so Andy's like, okay, but Whitney, you saw the conversation with Kenny's concerns about your future as a couple. How did that land with you? I like that he keeps mentioning landing to Whitney. This didn't land with Whitney. Guys, it's not landing with Whitney. Whitney, how did it land with you? Was she on the Pilot Pete season? Hold on, I'm going to look. I don't know. I thought she was on the Nick Vile season. I do, too. I think you're right. Yeah, it was Nick. It was Nick Vile. Yeah, because Jasmine was on that season, too.

23:35Ronnie Karam: Okay, so... It's still the only season I've watched. He's like, well, I mean, when Lexi and Georgia brought this to me, I was in disbelief because, like, we'd had conversations. But the words obviously started ruminating. Like, oh, my gosh. And, like, you see me get upset because the last thing I want to do is miss something in a relationship. But then all I had to do was go talk to him. And everything he explained to me made total sense. Oh, my girl. You saw it on the TV show, though. I know. Girl.

24:11Ben Mandelker: it's terrible so um yeah i was like hey um if i could stand up for my boy for a second and georgina's like um are you sure you want to do that he's like yeah i think i think you were um you were off the bat defensive uh and so kenya's like as i should be as i should be as he's actively being defensive about being defensive and goes learn from amanda okay she just sat here and she said she wishes she weren't as defensive amanda's like wow someone i'm being used as as a good example but also i like that gavin says i'm gonna stand up

24:46Ronnie Karam: for my boy for a second everybody hold on you were being very defensive kenny i'm not standing up for

24:52Ben Mandelker: him i know i don't understand that at all but like but of course so he's giving kenny advice and then kevin kenny's reaction is basically like yeah i should have been defensive it's like listen to gavin here don't be so defensive like this is it has destroyed your entire season everyone hates you no one likes kenny because he's defensive and so sensitive yeah so kyle's like well you know like he wasn't questioning the future he was just questioning like hey like i love her but like am i 100 like i identify with that we know kyle and look how

25:27Ronnie Karam: it turned out for you. This was exactly how you were in the start with Amanda, and it was a miserable marriage and now a divorce. So keep it over there. And Andy's like, well, I've been unsuccessful before. And Kenny says, yeah, you know, and I just lost my mom, guys. I just lost my mom. And Nick's like, well, nobody's judging. Why is it so hard to understand? I don't get it. And yeah, and it's like, okay, moving on, Gavin, Jennifer from Panifer says, I couldn't believe when you called Whitney boring to her face. And, and he's like, Gavin, what is it? What is it about Kenny and Whitney's relationship that is boring to you?

26:12Aside from the fact that the two of them together are incredibly boring.

26:17Ben Mandelker: He's like, well, I didn't call her boring or vanilla. I think maybe the word I used was dull and uninteresting. I don't know. It's hard to remember. But yeah.

26:26Ronnie Karam: Faded Penny. Faded Penny, I think is what I was trying to say. But he also didn't say they were boring. He was saying, Kenny, you know, you're used to this like exciting life. And then now it's, you know, you've got now you're saying you don't feel a spark. Sounds kind of boring. I think he was saying, like, I feel like you're feeling like this is kind of boring. He wasn't saying, like, look at this fucking stick of wood next to you. Look at this bump on a log next to you with no personality. He was saying, I feel like you're saying, when you say I don't have a spark, I feel like you're saying this is kind of boring.

27:08Ronnie Karam: But, of course, it's twisted. To be like, you called Whitney boring. Yeah. And so, do you agree with Whitney's take that Gavin is only used to toxic, crazy, toxic relationships and seeing you miserable?

27:23Ben Mandelker: And Gavin goes to Kenny, think before you answer that, Kenny. He's like, well, I think part of it is that Gavin has been in these cycles of relationships that are very volatile and toxic. And I've been in those relationships too in the past. But what I love about this relationship is that it's very grounding. It feels very safe. It's like we're in a really good place. And I think that like what that might come across as boring to people. But for me, it's regulating and it feels good. By the way, that's that's what I want to hear. I want to hear like, how is your how is your relationship with this new girl?

27:54Ben Mandelker: It's so regulating. I love it. It's very regular.

27:58Ronnie Karam: Andy, it's like putting on a seatbelt. Have you ever taken a cruise and then you have to go out with everybody at the beginning of the cruise and you have to stand there while they explain what life jackets do? No, it's not very exciting, but you kind of have to do it to go on the cruise. And that's basically, I feel like that's Whitney. Whitney is that pre-cruise speech, Andy. She's like a muster station.

28:28Ben Mandelker: Whitney is a blank paper towel.

28:30Ronnie Karam: And you're like, God, I should have bought the ones that I could cut to the shape, or that would automatically cut to the size that I need. God, I really need to buy some paper towels. What were we talking about, Andy? And Gavin's like, I love Whitney. I love Whitney. I love Whitney. There I said it. You do? Yes. It just annoys me that they say their relationships all travel and excitement. I mean, it sounds like honeymoon phase, which is great, I guess. But be just honest with everybody and yourselves that you're still working on things. What is so hard about that? Kenny is like, it's so much more than that.

29:04so and he's like Whitney Jasmine said on Watch What Happens Live that the most fame-hungry contestant from Bachelor Nation is you and this is from Jasmine who's been on quite a number of

29:16Ben Mandelker: reality shows and Whitney's like that's like the most bizarre thing ever because I didn't even go far on The Bachelor so I can't even want fame because I was eliminated before I could even have more fame see Georgina's like but if you had just said you were with him to be on reality TV I I actually prefer that to you saying that you actually like him for his personality. Georgina?

29:40Ronnie Karam: Georgina is just up there in her stool of judgment hammering everybody through this whole episode. And it's cracking me up because she does seem so apart from everybody else up there. I kind of agree with Whitney. She wasn't really on the bat. I recapped that season. She was barely on it. I mean, much like probably in life, she doesn't leave much of a mark. so i was surprised that jasmine said that because jasmine went from the bachelor which by the way on that she like grabbed nick and was like whoa what am i crazy like grabbed him by the throat like like what do i want to strangle you you know she was she came off as kooky on that one and then she went on bachelor in paradise after that so she made the rounds you know and she's been on like five reality shows so it's weird to call someone like Whitney the thirstiest but I don't know maybe it's because she showed up on this show the week that she started filming maybe that's why she's saying it but I wish that was expanded upon in that clip yeah commercials here comes one right now losing weight can be like trying to roll a wheelbarrow up a hill you can do it but it so much better and easier with support.

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33:11Ben Mandelker: had like a big sort of crossover with Bravo type things. Cause you have Jasmine's on that season, Whitney's on that season, Nick Vile goes off and becomes Nick Vile and is often commenting on Bravo on his podcast. You have Rachel Lindsay who has morally corrupt and she's talking about Bravo and she even popped up in the background of the Valley last week. So I feel like that, that bachelor season had a lot of like bravo future bravo presences so i was um i was reflecting on that because that's what i do i have nothing further to say about it she was she and jasmine were both

33:52Ronnie Karam: on bachelor in paradise but i think it was different seasons i think jasmine jasmine was on four and actually jasmine and rachel were on the same season no i'm talking about ashley i oh Ashley. Oh, Ashley. Rachel Lindsay. Oh, Rachel Lindsay. Duh. Rachel Lindsay. Okay. Do you see? God, there's so much Bachelor.

34:17Ronnie Karam: There's so much. It's such a thing. Rachel Lindsay was Nick. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. You're going to scramble my brain. It's too much.

34:29Ben Mandelker: I just did the standard thing where I made an observation that was interesting to me, but probably to very few other people out there. And it has no impact on anything. It just stops the entire podcast.

34:38Ronnie Karam: Well, The Bachelor is like, oh, and also I start Googling. So I'm like, wait, I lived this. Because when I recapped that show, I did it for like, what, four or five years. And it's like the Below Deck shows where it was constantly on. It was either Bachelor, Bachelorette, or Bachelor in Paradise. Something was always on multiple times a week. And all of the people from it just blur in my head. You know, I don't remember who's from where, So yeah, you say that to me and my brain starts leaking out of my ear. Like, yeah, I got it.

35:12Ben Mandelker: Well, Andy is asking now, how is the spark today? What's going on now? And Whitney's like, brighter than ever. He's like, yeah, I honestly, I think we have such a good connection. And I just think we're in such a great place. Like the other day we, uh, we sat down and talked about yogurt and, um, then we were quiet for a while. And then when he was like, was that a bird? And I said, no, it was the oven. And we were quiet for a little bit longer. It's just the chemistry is just so strong between us. The spark is sparking.

35:46Ronnie Karam: And, um, Whitney starts crying and Andy asks why she's upset. And she's like, I mean, it's just horrible that people think I was like on a show with Kenny for fame.

35:56Ben Mandelker: I mean. And Jordina's like, I don't think that. I'm just saying I wish it was the case. I don't think you're understanding the shade I'm throwing at you. What I'm trying to explain is Kenny is such garbage that I would like you better if you actually didn't like his personality and were only in it for the fame. But the fact that you like his personality is so sad for you. How do I spell this out?

36:19Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Amanda's like, well, I've been accused of the same thing for 10 years. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And Georgina says, well, I watched back the whole show. And basically, it's worse than I thought. I mean, it's like you want her to be friends with everybody. You say, let me finish talking Whitney because Whitney's like, and she's like, Andy asked me a question. So if you show up to a group and you want your girlfriend to be friends with everybody, you should be nice to everybody. And you don't just attack people, Kenny. And he's like, well, maybe this is a moment for me to own it. And I know you guys are waiting for me to genuinely own this.

36:54Ronnie Karam: So let me do it. By saying, this is absolutely not my fault because I had to come on here and defend every little detail of my life. So there, I owned it. I owned it. I have been attacked constantly. So Yvonne's like, well, hello, I'd like to say something here. Like, what is this? Craft services trying to get another reunion? No, no, it's me. I'm just, I'm at the corner of the set. It was also like really hurtful to watch you talk about us. And like, you don't even know us. Like, I had just met you guys a week before, and your girlfriend moves to New York, and then the things that you're saying about her, Lindsay has minions?

37:32Like, that we're just some minions? And Yvonne's like, what does that even mean? Like, we're just going to gang up on her, like, not give her an opportunity to be part of our group? Like, we don't even know you.

37:44Ronnie Karam: Lexi pipes in. She's like, you also said mean girl crew. Yeah, and it felt like you were isolating her and creating, like, a nasty environment, and we are not opinions or minions. or whatever the fuck you guys were saying. Okay, how dare you? And Danielle's like, yeah, but you even said when we were hanging out, the four of us, you were like, oh, wow, well, it's okay that I'm hanging out with you because Lindsay's okay with it. So Lindsay's okay with Danielle, so it's okay that we're hanging out. That was Danielle's way of saying you are a minion

38:14Ben Mandelker: because you needed Lindsay's approval. She didn't need Lindsay's approval. She just knew that if she had a best friend who's beefing with someone, it might be a weird vibe if you went and were hanging out with them. And so she was trying to respect her best friend.

38:27Ronnie Karam: It's also coming from Danielle, who was Lindsay's minion for years and years and would go against whoever Lindsay didn't like and do whatever she could to stay in Lindsay's little group to stay on the show. So Danielle's just upset because when she tried to separate herself from Lindsay, she made an ass out of herself and went over the top in trying to do it. And then now she considers that being out in the cold. But if you come for somebody and then they stop hanging out with you, you can't get offended at them. You were the one who came for them. Yeah.

39:05Ben Mandelker: So Kenny's like, I don't think you guys realize that when there's something that comes up, you don't think you're having a group think. But like you're all having the same opinion at the same time against one person. And I'm like, should we just like watch the scene again, Kenny, where you scolded all the bros because they didn't all have the same opinion and back you up about Lindsay? Should we watch that part where you actually tried to assemble some minions, but you didn't have a personality like Lindsay to do it?

39:31Ronnie Karam: True. And also your girlfriend just sits here and spouts every little argument that you have and doesn't think for herself. Like she can't even make the arguments you're trying to get her to make because she's not intelligent enough to like reframe them as the argument goes on. So why is it okay if you have one minion? Because you're dating or you're like, I don't, I don't get it. How he's accusing everybody of the same way is the same things that he's clearly doing.

39:57Ben Mandelker: And Lindsay's saying, you know, Yvonne's always been a big devil's advocate in her life. And Georgina's highly opinionated. And, you know, Danielle also has lots of opinions and she's friends with all of them. She goes, I mean, I actually feel like I'm the minion in all of my friends. Okay, well, let's not get too crazy. Okay. Let's not. I'm not saying that Lindsay doesn't have followers and doesn't have, like, she does assemble sort of sidekick types and she is an alpha personality or whatever. But what I don't think is that all these people dislike Kenny because they're just following Lindsay's orders.

40:30Like, he is unlikable.

40:33Ben Mandelker: And he is condescending to all of them. And they also are standing up for their friend much in the same way that you are hoping that people like Gavin and Kyle, etc., would stand up for you. So they came to these conclusions very easily.

40:47Ronnie Karam: I mean, Danielle is unlikable on her own. Her winter house season was one of the most embarrassing, cringey things I've ever seen on reality. I mean, she was really – Danielle has definitely made her own enemies on this show. but you know on the other hand lindsey is over the top you know controlling of when she has friends that go against her or she doesn't she's not in line with she will cut your ass off in two seconds like and not look back again so she does do that for sure but here's the thing

41:20Ben Mandelker: lindsey's just funnier about it okay she's she as the alpha of her little squad she is funnier as an alpha and kenny's just not funny if he were funnier i might be a little bit more sympathetic to him but he's just not funny he's just self-pitying and sensitive and i'm and i say

41:39Ronnie Karam: this as a sensitive person myself um so anyway i actually think lexi and kenny are i'm not lexi uh you know who i mean lindsey and kenny are kind of the same thing in different font i really do i I think they're both, you know, I think they're similar in so many ways. And it cracks me up. Like, I kind of want them to make out at some point or day. Because they would have the best couple fights. You know, they need sparring partners. And I think Lindsay hasn't found one. You know, Carl was, like, in the fetal position by the end of their relationship. And I think Whitney is just like, duh. Like, she'll just go along with whatever Kenny says.

42:20Ronnie Karam: Because he is, you know. like lindsey you know very

42:27Ronnie Karam: lindsey so she's gonna just go along with it and i think he needs somebody to you know kind of spar with yeah i wouldn't want to be their neighbors when they were together because it would be non-stop fighting and yelling but well it's just the return of lindsey and everett from season one that's really what this is yes um and that's what it would be if they got together

42:46Ben Mandelker: they would have they would have sex they'd get drunk and lindsey'd be like oh why did you say that um so anyway uh Andy is uh sorry Lexi is saying that she does not doesn't feel this minion thing whatever and Danielle's like well you know what I will say this though in terms of like clicks it's really lonely on the outside the island that I found myself on was terrible and Lindsay's like well I was the oldest girl in the summer house for years and I was on an island for about five or six years in a row so if anyone can understand it's me I'm just like fucking tired of it. She's like, no, no, you do not get to pull the island card.

43:24Ben Mandelker: I have the island card. I've been sitting on this island card for a long time without even complaining about it. And now I'm letting it out, okay? I had to sit there as the oldest one, the most senior member of the girls, and I had to watch Paige and Sierra blow up and I'm just still sitting here. So don't tell me about an island, Danielle. Yeah, but like, I think in this situation, we have to fucking listen and we learn. like maybe here on out when a question isn't asked to one of you three like isn't asked to one of you that the three of you don't all jump in and answer and then maybe people won't call you minions so so yeah maybe so then Andy's like well I mean Lindsay you are wearing yellow we love that NBCU corporate synergy so Kenny's like Kenny does apologize for using the word minion.

44:18Ben Mandelker: He's like, I thought it was the best word choice, whatever. So Andy's like, okay, well, let's move on. Kenny, I love the scene where you reunited with your dad. I mean, it was so moving. That must have been just mind-blowing that that happened so quickly. And, of course, by that happened, I mean, Whitney being able to look someone up on Facebook. Wow, that was so fast.

44:37Ronnie Karam: That was nuts. He's like, honestly, it was so unexpected, to be honest, that a woman could type something into a search engine and find it. I mean, I'm just so proud of her. Can we just have a moment for Whitney? That was, that was amazing. He still talks to his dad weekly. He hasn't met all of his half siblings yet, but he's met some of them. And Andy says, you know, we talk about how the life, you both Kenny and Lindsay's lives were affected by, you know, the absence of your parents. And Lindsay He says, you know, first of all, his scene was so touching. I love that, Kenny. It was a beautiful scene for a terrible person.

45:17And that was great. But at least his dad was looking for him. His dad did not know how to use search engines for Facebook. But he was looking for him really hard.

45:29Ronnie Karam: And my mom did not. And that's the difference. and um she says that uh you know she has true abandonment i don't know if they i don't know if it's a competition but she's just specifying how different their their uh situations are

45:46Ben Mandelker: yeah and andy asked whitney if there's been a change in kenny since uh he brought back his dad and she's like yeah there's been a huge weight that's been lifted off him that i didn't even Noah's there and she sees in terms of like the future she says that like you know we talked about getting engaged this year and taking steps and being kind of like really in a confident place and it's definitely a different place than a few months ago it's like oh wow okay cool I'm already bored not saying that you're boring just your relationship is boring oh sorry but anyway clearly this group has baby fever do you guys want to have kids someday and she's like you know Whitney's like yes

46:25Ronnie Karam: definitely kids so we want them soon so they all make minion jokes like well they can have their own minions okay well guess what now we are at the mom card segment lindsey you were accused of playing the mom card whitney do you regret that choice of words and whitney's like um i am so sorry that I used that term. What I really meant was I'm sorry if you took it a certain way or if it affected you. But I thought more so it would be nice for you to show a gesture to Yvonne because her wedding was messed up. So that's what I meant. Whitney, you are such a wuss. At least stand in what you said and just say, okay, I know the mom card offended a lot of people, but the first thing Lindsay did when she said, we're going to take this room is because we're moms.

47:23Ronnie Karam: And that's what I meant by playing the mom card.

47:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I felt like that entire little Whitney monologue, if they had cut to Kenny, you would have seen him like mouthing along like a stage mom in the rafters watching her daughter at the pageant. I felt like he was like, I'm like, just like - Mama Rose. To the raptors, honey! To the raptors! I felt like he was trying to do gestures like, smile, smile, smile. This was so weird.

47:55Ronnie Karam: Doing the box step in front of the stage. Yes, we got it.

47:59Ben Mandelker: But you're totally right. I actually think what Whitney should have done. If it was really about entitlement. She should have leaned into it and been like, you know what? I know it's not nice here, but I do feel like you played a mom card. You immediately took that room. Whether Amanda put it in your brain or not, you were like, we deserve this because we're moms. And I'm not saying that you as moms don't deserve anything, but you very quickly moved the mom. You used the mom card to shut us all up and there wasn't a discussion. I did not like that there was not a discussion. That's what she should have said.

48:32Ben Mandelker: And it says it has nothing to do about, there's nothing about being, it's not anti-single mom. I think you're conflating the two things. And the more you conflate it, there's the more you're using the mom card. I think what it's about is you just didn't let this be something that we all planned because some of us had different opinions and we weren't allowed to have an opinion. And so because we weren't allowed to have opinion, that is why I say you use the mom card. Now, as it happens, I agree that Lindsay and Georgina should have had the room, but I think that Whitney could have actually had a pretty strong point by being like wow there just was like no discussion about this and you just went and made this choice admittedly kenny also made a choice and tried to try to play the wedding card on behalf of yvonne but whitney just came in supplicating and trying to apologize it just

49:18Ronnie Karam: was not going to ever work she's such a wuss i mean you are such a wuss and you can't go back on it because like lindsey points out like and by the way this is two paragraphs of whitney going on and on it's huge and so lindsey's like well not only did you say she uses a single mom card but how could she when she has a nanny and she has help the double down is i mean it was even worse than it was explained to me when i watched it on tv whitney it was so bad i vomited i have cried for six months since i've seen i went into a coma i had to be put on liquids and told to come towards the light. I died.

49:58Ben Mandelker: How could you do this to me? I cried for six months, and it wasn't until Amanda and Wes scandal that she was able to come out of it. I was like, okay, this seems like a bit much here.

50:13Ronnie Karam: Thank God the Amanda and Wes scandal happened because I could get back on social media and rag on somebody else for a while. Thanks a lot, Amanda. You really helped me out there.

50:23Ben Mandelker: I think that lindsay and georgina should have been totally offended by whitney by what they perceived as whitney uh sort of saying like they shouldn't even be tired because they have nannies so this is ridiculous they even get special treatment that's basically what whitney had said so i get that i think they should have been furious at her but i uh but the i cried for six months what are you crying about like what like i don't understand what the what the crying is like what was the

50:51Ronnie Karam: thing that happened that made you cry she's so over the top and everyone's laughing by the way because lindsey does not let it go like lindsey has something that she knows that she has the upper hand and so she is just going for it she's yelling and she's pointing and she's like shaking her crazy you know rat's nest ponytail around and it's like how dare you i sobbed i sobbed i've never been this destroyed like lindsey we've watched this for a decade and you have been called worse i know and i did love when she said the reason i have a nanny is because i work and while you complain about your boyfriend not paying for a 30 000 closet in his apartment all season i'm providing for women plural and you're depending on your boyfriend to provide for your lifestyle and that's why it's very horrible i was like that was that was a great that was a great point she lined up i am providing for women and then i died i started laughing so hard and everybody on the stage is cracking up because she's so ridiculous and she doesn't drop it she just keeps going and going and georgina comes in tune she's like how dare you you owe an apology to single mothers everywhere we are i can't even believe georgina is here right now because she was literally bleeding out of her eyes for six months after you said that to her The tears.

52:13The tears. She was just crying into her son's diaper as she smudged chocolate in it to make him happy.

52:21Ben Mandelker: So silly. So then Kenny finally pulls out his line that he has rehearsed. He goes, Lindsay, you collect apologies like you collect souls. It was a good line, though. It was rehearsed, but it was a good line. I was like, that is kind of funny. So silly. So that's where it ends. And, yeah, I loved this battle of sanctimoniousness that was happening between Kenny and Lindsay. And we'll see what happens next week on the second and final installment of this reunion.

52:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah. All right, everybody. Well, thank you so much for being here. We are going to talk about the McBee Dynasty next. I know Ben is completely excited for that one. We'll see you over there. Also, for those of you who don't know, Real Housewives of London came on the same night as In the City. and we are recapping it. We did the first episode, God, last year when it aired originally and we will be doing the entire season as it unfolds on Bravo on Tuesday night. So check that out and we'll see you guys later.

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