#3481: In the City S1E11: When The Lights Go Out In The City

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2:19Ben Mandelker: through our 12 episode week um programming note we are actually not going to be covering next gen new york city this week mainly because we have too much it's too much we had to take find a sacrificial lamb so we adore that show obviously but um it's also a really really really hard show to recap because it just bounces around so much. And we just said, you know what? It's too much. So there will be no Next Gen this week, just taking a little one-week break to save our sanity. But there will be Real Housewives of London. Yes, Real Housewives of London. There will be a fresh new recap of that. So there will still be content.

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3:44Ben Mandelker: And also Ronnie, I believe, shared some tales about going to see The Odyssey. And we also have Discord and just ad-free listening and newsletter, all that good stuff. So go check that out and, you know, live your greatest Watch What Happens life. Now, today, we bid official adieu to the Amanda Batchula era of Bravo, her final reunion on her final show before she sails off into the midday sun, not into the sunset, just into the midday sun with Wes Wilson. And so we're here, end of the line for Amanda, end of the line for In the City Reunion Part 2. How are you feeling?

4:25Ronnie Karam: She might be on In the City Season 2, right? Oh, really?

4:30Ben Mandelker: I guess that is possible, I suppose. But let's, all we know for now is that it's a question mark of a future for her.

4:41Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I have a feeling she'll be back for In the City Part 2. Because they love this Kyle and Amanda arguing shit. They love it. It's another. Yeah, they might bring her back. At least half of this episode is more Kyle and Amanda arguing. um someone uh dm'd me and was like i'm really sick of you guys talking so much about kyle and amanda and you know what i agree i am sick of talking about them as well so congrats to us that this is the last time for a while it's a lot to put anybody through i mean that you know listening to us talk about it watching them do it it's been two full shows right two seasons right in a row of amanda and kyle non-stop going at each other you're both terrible partners

5:26Ben Mandelker: please please just end it put us out of our misery oh my god it's not two seasons it's 10 years it's 10 years of this bullshit but yeah one last uh one last trip to the rodeo and by 10 years and it's like summer house it's in the city it's winter house it's just everything it's just everywhere so yeah well i just you know like two seasons back to back you know oh i see what you're saying yeah oh yeah you're right it's been like a stretch a big stretch well guess what we're here to do it one last time hopefully we can get through it easily um where you start off with whitney uh still uh on the defense uh from lindsey about the mom card stuff and whitney's you know reminding Lindsay that she has apologized for accusing her of using the mom card.

6:24Ben Mandelker: And Lindsay has now announced, well, you're going to need about 15 more apologies to any mom in the entire world. So there you go. You know, Whitney was like, only 15 more apologies? There's only 15 moms left? No, 15 per mom. So wait a second. Is it 15 for every mom I encounter? Or is it the first 15 women that I meet? Oh, just shut up.

6:47Ronnie Karam: I vomited and sobbed. I have just stopped sobbing. They just got me out of a wheelchair because I could not walk for the past six months since you made those comments. She's like, geez, sorry. And Whitney's like, well, it wasn't about moms. I'm sorry it came out that way. And then just stand in your shit and say, you were playing the mom card, Lindsay, and you still do it every time you get cornered. Just say that.

7:13Ben Mandelker: You're literally going to do it three more times this reunion. As a mom, I don't have time to deal with this shit, Danielle. Because as a mom, what you did was so cool.

7:24Ronnie Karam: So Andy asks... Now that I have children, I think about it differently. Ever since I became a mom.

7:31Ben Mandelker: Oh. Andy's like, I'd like to hear from you, Vaughn. Vaughn, are you there? I only see a shadow. And did someone just put a tablecloth on, Vaughn? She's like, I'm still here, Andy. I'm just at the edge of the set. I understand where Lindsay's coming from because I have seen her go through hell this last year, watching her wake up every morning and remember that Whitney accused her of doing the mom card and watching her sob into a pillow morning after morning and vomiting and falling down staircases because she's so disoriented, stumbling out in the street, getting hit by a bus. It's been terrible to see what this comment's done to her.

8:07Ronnie Karam: Have you ever seen a vampire get killed and then have to regenerate, Andy? it can take up to a season i mean how long was it until we saw saw this that again it takes a long time lindsey was taken down to the cellular level and had to regenerate amc had to put a hold on the show oh god okay so ridiculous kidman spoke through the screen to lindsey and said can i help it was

8:36Ben Mandelker: that bad. So Georgina is like, well, I just like, I mean, you know, Whitney, you said you were trying to defend Yvonne. Why didn't you talk to Yvonne about it? I don't think that's like a very strong point. And Yvonne's like, yeah, I know. Like I was trying to say, like, I was like a little bit offended that you were saying you were standing up for me, but then like somehow trying, like tying me to what you said about her. Like, I really didn't appreciate that. So now Yvonne's like, not even happy that Whitney tried to like advocate for her to get the room. Whitney's just getting it from Paul Enns Yeah

9:09Ronnie Karam: Because ultimately I think She's right Whitney was just doing Kenny and Whitney just hate Whimsy That's like Whimsy and Lindsay mixed together Yeah Whimsy It's like a lost be child Yeah they were clearly just trying to start some mess With Lindsay on that one But you know Yvonne being like I would defend it and you know lindsey and georgina at the top of the stairs they were you know you guys were not being nice at the top of the stairs lindsey okay because we were in a fight and you guys weren't really really willing uh to give up that room because we're moms okay well we're trying to avoid the mob cards here but um you know lindsey's like all i said was we're taking this room Why is that such a big deal?

9:56Ronnie Karam: I said, we're taking this room.

10:00Ben Mandelker: Well, you didn't just say that. You said, because we're moms and we need a break. And Yvonne's like, well, it was a separate gesture, which was nice of you guys. And you guys were very kind, Whitney and Kenny. And Amanda is like, Lindsay, you're being a little mean. It's just Lindsay being Lindsay. Let's be honest. Amanda, you've been here for 10 years. You know what the deal is. So Yvonne is like, and you know what? Georgina, you were being like a little crazy that day, but I think that's like a separate conversation than what happened after. And at this point, Andy is now yawning and pulling out a pillow and setting up a little day bed for himself so he could take a nap.

10:38Ronnie Karam: So, Yvonne, we saw you make up during the Connecticut trip, so where do things stand now? And Lindsay's like, oh, my God, we are like the best friends. We talk a hundred times a day. She has not stood up to me since, you know, and it's been great. Right, Yvonne? Right, Andy, that is absolutely right. Nick, what do you, do you feel like you're in a relationship with Lindsey because they're talking so much on the phone? He's like, yes, I've never avoided coming home more.

11:07Ben Mandelker: I love that they joke, that Lindsey jokes that we're in a throuple because it means that technically Yvonne is with her mate while I'm at the shop building chairs. So I love it.

11:21Ronnie Karam: I'm actually going to get married to Lindsay And we're going to have 17 more weddings That we will have parties for Thank you

11:30Ben Mandelker: Well armed with a handy list of Danielle's Missteps on her phone Lindsay went into the season avoiding Her old pal like it was her job I mean it actually was her job She was hired to avoid Danielle on this show Meanwhile Danielle thought Lindsay and Amanda Were being jerks by investigating Owen Like a couple of private Dicks Take a look at this tug of war between old friends.

11:55Ronnie Karam: Okay, so for those of you who don't watch Summer House, let's just make it simple. Danielle was one of the ass kisser Lindsay friends who was on her side no matter what. She was kind of a friend of mostly on Summer House. Would you describe her that way?

12:10Ben Mandelker: She was full cast member, but friend of energy, yeah.

12:16Ronnie Karam: Okay, so her job was basically to stand up for Lindsay no matter what, party with Lindsay, be on her side. We've seen Lindsay have a lot of these friends. She replaced Danielle right away. We saw Gabby later. We see Yvonne now. So that kind of friend with Lindsay. And then everyone was like, all you do is stand up for Lindsay. You're a, what do they call it? Like on Real Housewives. Like you're a lapdog. So that's all you do, Danielle. So then Danielle came in one year and was like, I'm not going to just stand up for Lindsay blindly anymore. And then it went really, really badly for her. She went kind of anti-Lindsay, which Lindsay never forgave.

12:59Ronnie Karam: And then Lindsay replaced her immediately. So then Danielle was put on this show. And now they're still kind of fighting over that stuff. But no one will say it on this show. No, Lindsay has like a litany of things that Danielle did wrong. Danielle, same with Lindsay, but no one will ever say Danielle was your kiss ass until she refused to be your kiss ass. And then now you guys are still having all these problems. I feel like they should go back and discuss the actual that actual point.

13:32Ben Mandelker: They they could go back and do that. But do we as an audience really want them to? I'm going to say no. I'm going to say no. Okay. Okay.

13:42Ronnie Karam: Then that was enough of that for sure.

13:44Ben Mandelker: Because I think you're right. I think the inner workings and the complicated facets of Lindsay and Danielle's relationship has yet to really light my inner fire, I have to say, after all these years. so Andy is he's basically like asking Danielle how did Danielle feel that Lindsay had a list of all of Danielle's grievances why would Danielle be surprised about this this is someone who like wanted a powerpoint from her lover about where their relationship was going so of course Lindsay's going to have bullet points and lists and documents she made she's famous

14:28Ronnie Karam: for making lists remember her list within the next fight within the next year be married have a baby and not only is she a list maker she's a list accomplished like she'll she's a task master like she really gets most of that

14:44Ben Mandelker: list done you know don't put her on a boat because she lists so um danielle is like i was shocked season by season accounts of these grievances some of which i was just very surprised about I think it's actually great. I think it's great that Lindsay organized her thoughts. That way, she's ready with her bullet points. Like, don't come for me. I've got to organize. I think it's really fine. I appreciate the organization about having these grudges. And Danielle's like, I didn't think our friendship came to that. It was giving Kyle's 17-page email, which is a real low blow, because that, of course, that one was ridiculous.

15:24Ben Mandelker: So linking it to that. Wow, Danielle.

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17:22Ronnie Karam: and he's like so what were you surprised about the hand job were you surprised she was mad about the hand job and then um lindsey is like well my whole point was last march when we met for lunch like i was so excited we had a great day and then you we spent four or five hours together and then boom the show was airing confessional after confessional and i was like you know what danielle it's typical danielle talking about me in confessionals again uh because that's what happened in summer house danielle was acting like they were fine and then she was going in the confessionals being like she and carl shouldn't be getting married and you know they're crazy together and they need to give this more time which maybe she wasn't wrong about but you don't want to hear about that when you're the person getting married not supposed to be your supportive friend and it's also the exact same thing that lindsey and them are doing to danielle now rushing into her relationship with this Owen guy.

18:15Ronnie Karam: What a cycle.

18:17Ben Mandelker: I always find it funny when reality stars complain about other cast members talking shit about them in their confessionals when that's what they all do across the board. I mean, sure, we could probably go back and see, okay, how many snarky, mean things did Danielle say about Lindsay in her confessionals compared to the number that Lindsay said, the number that Danielle said about Lindsay? So maybe the scoreboard would lean more towards Danielle. But I always think when it comes to these arguments across all these shows, it's always kind of silly. Like, everyone knows what the game is. Everyone knows, you know, that they're sort of prodded to say something brutally honest or snarky.

18:55Ben Mandelker: And yet they feel like, oh, when it's directed at me, it's just not cool. But I can do it to everyone else. So, I mean, I get why Dan is upset. But, like, I also feel like, yeah, but you guys all are in there talking shit about each other.

19:09Ronnie Karam: yeah but dan lindsey didn't really talk shit about danielle i mean lindsey will talk shit about everyone in the house but when she picks like her her bestie or whoever it is she doesn't really go off on them in the confessionals i don't think and i'm referring to danielle and gabby who were who were her most notable she definitely did you know sidekick gabby yeah she didn't go

19:31Ben Mandelker: But also, Lindsay does do things that are go-offable about. Yes, that's true. I mean, Lindsay and Carl getting engaged in like a second and having this very fake like, we are a great relationship right now. I think it's reasonable for Danielle to be like, what the fuck is going on? Not reasonable for Danielle to, you know, devolve into hysterics when she didn't know about the engagement. I mean, that was ridiculous. but I think like a certain like, Hmm, things that make you go, Hmm, energy was warranted from Danielle. I think Lindsay, you know, all of a sudden like rushing into having this baby.

20:07Ben Mandelker: We love baby Gemma. We're happy for Lindsay. This is a goal for her. But like, I think Danielle was right to be like, but like, are you aware that like, this is like, what's going on with the guy? Is the guy going to be helping you? What's going on? I think these are like things that are like you, people would normally question be like, Like, wait a second, is this going to be okay? You're rushing into another relationship, and now you're going to have a baby with someone. You just got to have an engagement with Carl. Like, maybe pump the brakes a little bit, you know?

20:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah, well, one of those things was Danielle saying, you know, Lindsay is really rubbing this gender reveal in Carl's face. Like, they just broke up, and then Lindsay comes back, and she makes us all do a gender reveal. And poor Carl is sitting over there having to do all of this. and you know i think at the time i was thinking yeah but carl broke up with lindsey so yeah well i don't believe that but uh that was what they're gonna that's what they're gonna talk about now is this gender reveal thing and how lindsey got pissed at that and she's like yeah you said something bad about it in the confessional and daniel's like so so you were fed up and couldn't text me about other stuff and she's like yeah but i texted you about that i mean how many more texts do I need to send about every little thing you did?

21:23Ronnie Karam: I was pissed.

21:25Ben Mandelker: I can weigh in. Knowing you guys and knowing your friendship, it was kind of like blow after blow after some of those scenes from season 9 and the beach confessionals. I actually understood where Lindsay was coming from because I don't think you're actually doing it with a lot of ill intent, but it definitely added up, Danielle. So, yeah. Thanks, Kyle.

21:45Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah. I mean, Danielle was Danielle was an asshole her last couple of seasons. You know, she was like resentful of the Carl and Lindsay thing. She was resentful that Lindsay was, you know, there was a lot of stuff going on there. So Carl's like, let's not, because Danielle comes back like, what? I don't even know I had a problem with Lindsay. What? This is crazy. They're like, no, it's not really that crazy, Danielle.

22:08Ben Mandelker: She doesn't like you for kind of a reason. Yeah, exactly. And Danielle was also slowly going through a breakup during that entire time. So she was clearly projecting everything, but she was not wrong about being like, what the fuck is going on with Lindsay and Carl? This is ridiculous. Lindsay, Bill, Albert. Oh, so, uh, I mean, that's, that's a whole, that's a whole thing.

22:30Ronnie Karam: But there was also the addition of Danielle's kind of jealousy with Carl because Danielle felt like I had Carl, you know, there was a lot of weird stuff with Carl and Lindsay because Danielle was involved with Carl too.

22:42Ben Mandelker: I think it was less about jealousy with Carl. I think it was that like Danielle, became a third wheel. Whereas previously they were just like a trio that would just all go out together and have fun. And then now she's moved into third wheel status. I think it's because she's been sidekick for so long. And for a moment she thought she was on equal footing. And then she's back to being the wheel and she's like, Oh, I don't like this. I hate this. It's fucked up. I'm like not hanging out with my friends the way I used to. And we were like a trio. And now I'm like back to like sidekick status. And on top of that, what's going on?

23:14Ben Mandelker: You guys, this doesn't even look like it's a real relationship it feels like you guys are just trying to fill voids in each other's lives like what the fuck is going on so uh it doesn't excuse anything but i understand where like her vibe of like what is happening is coming from yeah

23:29Ronnie Karam: well del from aware says why does danielle owe lindsey any loyalty that you never showed danielle carl was danielle's ex and good friend first so where's that loyalty you expect from your friends And Lindsay's like, um, that is a great, great question Del from Not Aware of Anything, Your Stupid Face, I hate your guts And I hope you die in your sleep Um, first of all, I would like to say, I am a mother And Danielle and Carl, correct me if I'm wrong You know it better, it was your life, Danielle You guys dated for what, a month? Was it a month? And she's like, uh, three months, but sure

24:09Ben Mandelker: okay three months so please tell whoever from wherever that three months and that was about a year before summer house season one started filming am i right does it please the court to know that this was three months a year before summer house started even filming right right

24:23Ronnie Karam: yeah it would have been uh uh october 3rd of 2016 maybe something like around there uh 2 p.m around there 2 p.m i have an ungood authority it's around 1 45 p.m but that's okay

24:36Ben Mandelker: and it just seemed like it was just like a very casual thing and like when you came in on season two, by the end of season two, that's when we really developed our friendship and by season four, this is now five years after you guys had your 13-day relationship. Three months. 13 days. But by season four, when Carl and I started whatever, the no-kiss finger bang or whatever, how long ago was that since you first kissed Carl? May I like to ask?

25:02Ronnie Karam: The no-kiss finger bang. Carl's a great song. i wonder who wrote that one no kiss finger bang oh what a season oh the memories good times i

25:15Ben Mandelker: finger oh danielle is like um like she's like well you framed it as if you guys were in this relationship and you guys were like not in a relationship and then lindsay's like no i didn't frame it like that she's like well when you were talking to kyle about it you were like it was before our engagement the first time we broke up so anyway they're just going back over this finger bang thing and uh basically lindsey's like well as far as i'm concerned the otphj in the back of the uber is what you're talking about and then we have to have a moment to clarify that's over the pants handjob you know and so then it's like was it an over the pants handjob was it not was it in the pants or over the pants what was happening and danielle says she's tired of the

25:59Ronnie Karam: over-sexualization of it. It wasn't that. You positioned it as something sexual. And Andy's like, did you give him a handjob? Our handjob's considered sexual. Where am I? Where did O-T-P-H-J? What? Because Lindsay just keeps saying it over and over again, like everyone knows automatically what it is. And Danielle's like, no, I did not do that. Carl lied. Carl lied about it. And Lindsay's like, but it was an over-the-pants situation. He's like, no, it wasn't that either. And Andy's like, well, was it rubbing his dick through his pants? Are we ever gonna get an answer to this?

26:39Ben Mandelker: You know, it's just like, why is it always something new happens? There was like, the handjob, there was this that happened, and that that happened. And so now Owen's getting mad. He's like, this is what you do, Lindsay. You basically bring up these kinds of fabrications. You put in lies and truths. And Lindsay's like, it's not a fabrication it was fabric in between her hand and his dick that's what it was

27:01Ronnie Karam: and she's like well i wasn't in the back of the uber and he's like exactly so proof of it happened and she's like but i mean it was a bad friend move it was just a bad friend move and he's like but it's a lie and so we never get an answer really because danielle said danielle doesn't say what it was but lindsey i don't know it's we still don't know what it was exactly after all these years. We're still not walking away with an answer on this. So Danielle's like, well, it wasn't an issue then. So why was it an issue six years later? And Lindsay says, because I was protecting you, Danielle. So I didn't talk about it back then.

27:41Yeah.

27:41Ben Mandelker: All right. Danielle Scrooge from McDock asks, do you secretly resent Lindsay for dating Carl after you? You act like you're the best friend, but you hate on her. to her face you even gave me a hand job it's like uh the hand job it's back again already just as soon as we finished that so she's like i'd rather hate on someone to their face by the way than ever do it behind their back and i know i'm direct and my choice of words suck but you know what you're getting with me and i'm not a mystery my intentions by the way are always in the right place and do i mince words do i suck at communication sometimes yes and i will own that till i am blue in the face

28:20Ronnie Karam: yeah but the problem with danielle's answer is all of this stemmed from her not saying it to lindsey's face really a lot of this stuff she was just saying behind their backs and so now she's like but yeah well i say it to your face and i like that she dropped the handjob thing she's like okay well i'm never gonna escape this so just keep accusing me of having a handjob i'm not yeah we're giving it you know i'm not even gonna discuss it anymore like what the hell so where are you two now and she's like i was just really upset at watching the googling i mean that was crazy like googling owen geez and then like an entire grievance list i mean it just set us so

28:56Ben Mandelker: far back oh please i think lindsey googling owen was so minor okay i'm sorry they were all talking about it at the bar and she goes okay let me look it up so she just looks it up on her phone it was not what this was not was like Bronwyn Windenburg on Orange County sitting at her computer in the middle of lockdown like finding all sorts of reports about who knows about who was it that she was looking up at that time was it about Elizabeth I don't know like this is just like on you know like it's your phone is out at a bar looking you just type in someone's name it was so not anything crazy and the fact that danielle is really like hanging her hat on this is so ridiculous

29:41Ronnie Karam: yeah so owen's like well listen we have a kid coming we have a kid i have a pregnant partner we can't deal with the toxicity and lizzie's like oh wow wow owen that's crazy right and he's like yeah it is crazy he's not getting the fact that it's kind of hypocritical right so um anyway andy

30:06Ben Mandelker: is like all right well being frightened does being frightened make you see what happened in your relationship with lindsey while she was frightened differently and she's like well i would have liked us to have had a conversation more in the moment you know and i'm very apologetic for that but like sometimes it feels like you're not done punishing me for certain things so she's like you know i

30:27Ronnie Karam: lindsey says i'm i take the heat for protecting danielle and then i get shit on year after year and now i have a kid and i don't have time for this and i don't have time for the negative energy so i'm just gonna wash my hands clean of it mom card employed yeah following up owen's dad card i love that owen just pulled the pulled the mom card and now lindsey's pulling the mom card back at him it's just a lot of mom cards going on um so she's like and then you know i washed my hands clean of this danielle mess and then she pops up on the show and it's like okay now go back through all the danielle stuff and danielle's like and i think you hated that she's like i don't hate it it's just we have to go back through all the same stuff yeah and so owen's like you know there's one

31:12Ben Mandelker: common denominator here in this toxic drama and it's you lindsay she's like um i just don't know what you thought was gonna happen popping up on a show and then you thought you didn't have to like talk about anything like that literally that was like crazy to me like that's why at the wedding i was like i don't understand what you're doing here if you don't want to even share anything

31:32Ronnie Karam: yeah and um owen saying you're the common denominator in this toxic drama is crazy because so are you that's why they were googling you there were stories coming out that you were cheating on your wife with danielle and all this other stuff so you're not known for i mean your whole situation was really toxic so whatever oh and um so andy says well for the record was danielle's dress at yvonne and nick's wedding pink or white and yvonne's like well it was white let's be honest if you were invited to an all pink party they wouldn't have even let you in danielle's like I don't even know what that means.

32:11Very,

32:12Ben Mandelker: an all pink, very strict dress code party. I'd like to add, you wouldn't have been allowed into the pink party. Pink pony club wouldn't allow you in. Um, by the way, just going back to Owen saying that Lindsay is like the common denominator in the toxicity. It's because like, uh, Kenny started up with Lindsay. Like she was, she didn't start anything up with Kenny. Kenny starts something up with Lindsay. And then the guy and Kenny and the other guys, were the ones trying to find out about Owen. So finally, Lindsay's like, okay, I'll take care of it. And then they go around and blame Lindsay for starting all this drama.

32:48Ben Mandelker: I was like, Lindsay didn't start this drama. She was on the receiving end of it.

32:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Lindsay is always in the center of a fight, though, on these shows. She really triggers people on these shows. She does. And I imagine that she's just a lot to deal with in real life. You know, on a show, it's kind of funny because we turn it off. but she's i imagine she's pretty non-stop so now we're talking about this dress and amanda's sticking up for danielle and saying well i mean it wasn't really pink or white the lighting wasn't doing anyone any favors and danielle's like but i texted you and look i'm totally team danielle on this one this is crazy she literally texted a picture of the dress to yvonne and yvonne okayed only to turn on her at the wedding party.

33:36Ronnie Karam: So to me, team Danielle.

33:40Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I'm sort of like, that's how I initially felt. I'm sort of moving the other way because Danielle was like, I texted Yvonne. I texted Whitney. I texted Katie. I texted my mom. I showed Owen. And Andy's like, so you texted all these people and picked up their dress? It's kind of like, if you have to text that many people about it, you probably should have chosen a different dress at that point, you know? Yvonne Yvonne probably should have not said don't wear that but I mean Yvonne says you know I was like running around I saw I was like sure it looks good whatever maybe the picture Yvonne is she's got blood on her hands on the pink dress situation but I don't think it's actually as black and white anymore yeah literally

34:23Ronnie Karam: yeah I don't know I say if I send a picture to the host and they say okay and then they wait to get on camera and they're like how dare you wear white it's crazy

34:31Ben Mandelker: to me like you literally okayed this dress but well it's also possible that it photographs more looking a little bit more pink because it looked very white on camera it looked pretty white in

34:42Ronnie Karam: the text too because we see the text i mean it looks like the same dress to me it's it's funny to have like a dress argument these shows really put us into a a place don't they but i mean i I don't know. So Danielle's pissed at this. And Yvonne's saying, well, you put me in an awkward position. Like, what I would have wrote to you is my dress looks white, but it's pink. Can I wear it? That's how you should have worded it. And Danielle's like, okay, in the future when I send you a text, I'll word it the way that you want me to word it. And Owen goes, oh, yeah, we'll really spell it out for you, you fucking idiot.

35:21Ronnie Karam: You know what? We don't need this, Owen, from you. I was not winning. And he has really mean eyes too. When he gets pissed, mean, hereditary eyes.

35:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Um, so going back and forth about this and, um, Danielle's like, you know, the one thing that I'm really upset about is retaliating with bitch and saying bitch. I really, I said it multiple times. I'm really sorry about it. And I kind of feel like of all the things, this was actually so benign. is when she goes, are you talking to me, bitch? That's like slang, bitch. It wasn't like, you're a bitch, you know? But I guess they all were offended. I think they were at that point looking for something to be offended about. And it's like, you know, if you're in a war with someone, you're going to take anything.

36:08Ben Mandelker: You're like, you called me a bitch. When we all know, like, it'll be like, what are you talking about, bitch? Like, I didn't think it was so bad, personally.

36:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but then she erased all of that when she did start calling them bitch. After.

36:24Ben Mandelker: that she did do that in the non-slang way. And I love Yvonne being like, it was an awful word choice. I'm like, okay, let's, everyone just like calm down a little bit. It's not like the end of the world. So Danielle -

36:35Ronnie Karam: You're on a channel that is famous for Real Housewives. You know? Yeah. But even the Housewives have this fight when they're like, oh, bitch, please. I'm like, how dare you call me a bitch in my own home? Yeah.

36:49Ben Mandelker: What? gabrielle from gabrielle from switzerland says all my friends make fun of me because i'm european and i should be watching something more elevated than this show but here i am danielle you said before that amanda was on was the one that you trusted the least and what was it about her that made you feel that way do you just want to pile onto her a little bit more do you feel vindicated tell us everything you've always hated about amanda um will you ask me this question already

37:18Ronnie Karam: andy and i said yes i did feel vindicated because you know like i don't understand who you as amanda are and to me that's scary it's very very scary i like more stable situations where i know what i'm getting well amanda what do you think of what danielle just said and say um i understand and I take responsibility for everything that I've done and everyone's feelings who I've hurt over the ages and the eons and the decades. Because, like, I wasn't really thinking about it, but I really hurt people. It's like Amanda's answer for everything in the first half of this. Like, okay, Amanda, you can put down your PR apology for a second and speak as a human.

38:11Ronnie Karam: Okay.

38:12Ben Mandelker: So Andy's asking Danielle what her current relationship with Amanda's like and all the West stuff. And Danielle's like, well, I have no relationship with West and will never have a relationship with West. And I think what you did was an absolute mistake. It was horrendous. And you should not have done the things that you've done. That's what I said about you and the pink dress. I just want to put that in there, everyone. This is just getting that in there. So, but Danielle appreciates that Amanda did text her and Owen and apologize for being snarky and making fun of the homewrecker stuff on camera.

38:48Ben Mandelker: She did reach out about that. So yeah, there's that. Yeah, so Kyle's like, well, what did she text you?

38:59Ronnie Karam: Well, just apologizing how she acted. And Amanda's like, even before the season came out, I was doing a lot of reflecting. So just so people know, it wasn't only bad PR. I've been reflecting for a long time, Andy. And I would like to apologize again to the people of the NBC Peacock Universal family. Okay, okay, okay, okay, enough, enough. And I would like to apologize again to Danielle and Owen. And, you know, I cringe. Okay. God, just stop with this apology. The constant apology. Even Danielle's, like, cringing.

39:39Ben Mandelker: She's like, oh, thank you. Yeah, seriously. She keeps on going on and on and on. So Andy's like, well, forgive me, Amanda. But as I sit here, waking up from my third nap at this reunion, God, I'm bored. Visually bored in the middle of America you can see. but I'm reflecting back on sitting with you a few months ago at the summer house reunion. And your apology to Danielle was clear. It was sincere. You took ownership. You were remorseful. You know, you did a little musical number in there. That was cool. Probably edited out. Cause you don't have the rights for it. I don't know why you sang out of Brigadoon, but it was cool.

40:16Ben Mandelker: But I think a lot of what that would have gone a long way with Sierra that day. Do you have any clarity with, how do you have that clarity with Danielle? When you kind of fucked over Sierra more, huh?

40:30Ronnie Karam: They're really milking this. Just bring Sierra out. If you guys, I mean, at this point, just bring Sierra out. You guys are milking this West and Sierra thing for hours upon hour upon hour. So she's like, whoa, but I was like terrified going into that day because I knew the pain that I caused and I would just like to apologize to everybody. but you know i like couldn't get a word in that day and i just got like frustrated and then i got defensive and i just shut down you know okay sure couldn't get a word in edgewise i mean

41:13Ben Mandelker: you were asked direct questions several times you know um i think this was her way of just kind of like doing a little damage control because when they they filmed this reunion when like this was around memorial day right or is it am i am i incorrect on that was it later than that that doesn't matter it does not maybe it's in june but at this point it has aired and i think she's just trying to be like she's trying to try to do a do a mulligan on her uh bad performance

41:45Ronnie Karam: yeah pretty much she's just kind of trying to keep up with what the PR people are telling her to do and even back then I was like just live in it just say I liked West and I'm sorry it hurt you but that's it I liked him you guys weren't together as far of course that wouldn't have been true but just obviously you knew what you were doing it's not like you just woke up in this situation So just stand up and do something. But this like wishy-washy like, no, I didn't mean it. I was like traumatized because I couldn't speak. So you're wasting my time.

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44:56Ronnie Karam: so owen were you purposely being vague about your divorce at boys night and he's like yeah and everybody laughs and uh gavin's like yeah i like that finally i like the answer i could have respected that answer months ago am i right guys right guys it was right huh um

45:15Ben Mandelker: and uh so owen's like you know i was coming into a group that i don't know and I obviously have my hesitations given the amount of drama, you know, like that goes in this group. But, you know, like I had this an issue that I was dealing with and I didn't I didn't think it normal to talk to people that I don't know about a personal issue. So Andy's like, OK, well, were you extra concerned because there are cameras? He's like, no, but I think that looking back on it, I think it was like it was interesting to see how many people really turned on their questions when the camera came on. And I don't think anybody, and I'll leave Andre and Nick out of this, just like they are being left out of this reunion, because they never brought it up.

45:52Ben Mandelker: They don't think it's appropriate, but no one has either. When the cameras went down and after we finished filming, has asked me about my divorce and my previous marriage. And Gavin's like, but you said you don't want to be asked. You were pretty clear about it. You became such a huge dick, so why would we continue to ask you questions?

46:07Ronnie Karam: He's like, yeah, but when the cameras were there, you could ask. He goes, yeah, but then you can't use it as a weapon that we don't ask you off camera when you told us on camera not to ask you. Do you remember? Do you remember this? And no one's like, ah, so it was for the camera.

46:22Ben Mandelker: But also, like, you signed on to be on a reality show. And, like, the pact of the reality show is you save your interesting questions and, like, the things that are really going on in your life for the cameras because you're trying to show people your world. so if they ask you all these questions and it's not it's not being put on camera they're literally

46:42Ronnie Karam: all not doing their job and no one was friends with danielle no one in this group was friends with danielle no one was hanging out with danielle or owen nobody really i mean they kind of knew her from being on summer house but danielle doesn't have any friends on this show so they cast danielle and owen the first time they're going to talk about it is on camera they were never no one was ever at lunch with you guys before this so yeah it's going to come up on a reality show if it's in blogs that you are cheating on your wife with danielle duh if it's on the internet as like a as a story like you know then you got pissed that you refused to talk about it and you didn't want them to ask you about it and so they didn't ask you about it anymore by the way i fully respect

47:24Ben Mandelker: that um if you're going through something like a divorce and there's like things at stake uh and And there's legal proceedings. You wouldn't want to talk about it with people you don't know. And you also probably wouldn't want to talk about it on camera. But then why sign up to be on a reality TV show? I just don't understand that.

47:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And then get mad at it. Villainize everybody else for it. You know. So, Gavin, let me see. So, Lindsay's like, we were terrified to ask. Okay. I was so scared that I twisted myself up and ate under the table while pasta burnt.

48:03Ben Mandelker: It's just what you do as a mom. And so, yeah, they're like, well, we're doing it for Danielle. For Danielle's like, oh, what a joke. For Danielle, what are you talking about? And Amanda's like, people are nosy. And Gavin's like, yeah, especially our group of friends. So basically, Danielle feels like it was all very gossipy. it was not coming from a good place. So then Lindsay's like, well, all these guys were walking in and complaining about how Owen didn't open up to them and this is before boys' night. The boys? The boys? The boys? And Kenny goes, men. She's like, no, I'll call you a man when you act like one.

48:41Ben Mandelker: God, he is so fragile. He even inserts his fragility into things that have nothing to do with him. How dare you? I really don't appreciate when females call us boys. Yeah. Meanwhile, like, that's what they're all, they're all like, guys, boys night. Yeah. What's up with my boys? My boys. Oh, dear man. Excuse me.

49:01Ronnie Karam: So Lindsay's like, listen, everybody's talking. All these boys are talking. Boys are talking about it. So I Googled it. Okay. Jesus. And Danielle's like, Lindsay, that was crazy. You don't do that. Yes, you do. We all do it. I don't think I've met anybody that I've found interesting, friend or otherwise, in the past decade that I haven't Googled. Duh. It is literally so absurd

49:28Ben Mandelker: that Danielle is somehow like flummoxed by this. Like, I think she's just holding onto it because it gives her like a shred of a moral high ground in this season. And it's just too thin. It's 2026. Okay, get over it. So everyone's like talking all at once and Lindsay's upset because she's like, you know what, at the wedding none of these boys actually stood up and said, actually it was us it was us and none of them stood up and said it was us they let me hang

49:57Ronnie Karam: the dry like fucking prosciutto yes yes prosciutto okay okay thanks andrea uh and kenny is like but it was tea it was just tea and gossip so it was fun oh okay kenny if that happened to you know whenever anybody questioned you on anything you know you get so self-righteous you've been self-righteous this whole time but now when it's you it's like oh but it was just gossip

50:25Ben Mandelker: who cares yeah uh yeah he yeah he has a it's funny how his perspective seems to shift very conveniently uh but i mean that's the that's the way of a reality star so i'm sure he loves being called or just a reality star being reduced down to reality star when he's like i work in venture capital but uh now andy's asking um uh danielle and owen like if they're gonna get married and they want to get married. Owen's like, but I can't be married twice at the same time. And so, yeah, okay, cool. All right, Danielle. Taffy from Candy says, after watching this back this season and seeing Lindsay's side of things when it comes to your friendship over the years, do you see a path forward?

51:06Ben Mandelker: So basically, they just decide, no more lists of grievances. Danielle wants to make new grievances. and they just are going to go forward and they're not going to Google each other anymore.

51:20Ronnie Karam: And Danielle goes, yeah, so no more Googling about fucking hairdressers. So I guess his ex-wife was a hairdresser. And Lindsay's like, I can't promise that because I will Google anyone that my friends are dating. So... Yeah, I like that. So Kyle's next. Andy gives him some good news. Now we get to talk about Kyle and Amanda. Oh, Christ. I'm going to say right now, I'm going to have to fast forward through a lot of this.

51:51Ben Mandelker: I will say right now, one thing I was disappointed in was that there was no, or unless I missed it, there were no questions about, Amanda, why would you sign a year-long lease if you were claiming that you wanted to go back after a month? Like that to me is like the craziest, craziest, craziest thing. And I don't think Andy has that right.

52:13Ronnie Karam: There's I don't think so. And there's also this that was making me crazy. No one questioned Lindsay on when she said in the finale, Kyle's cheated. Kyle cheats on Amanda all the time. We just don't talk about it. Yeah, because this whole conversation moves to did Kyle cheat? When did he cheat? Who did he cheat with? Do we know that he cheated? What's the proof that he cheated? and Lindsay just stays quiet and Andy doesn't say, but you said in the season finale that he cheats all the time and gets away with it. So why are you just letting that go now? Is it because we all hate Amanda and it's like now you're not gonna have the audience on your side by standing up for Amanda?

52:52Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Because that's pretty low. Like if you can stand up for somebody in a shitty marriage, you should be able to do it. You should be able to do that no matter what. You know what I mean? Not just, if public perception changes, it's pretty clear that you're just jumping on the positive you know the negative hating bandwagon instead of just being honest so what is it did he cheat or not why is everybody staying quiet now

53:15Ben Mandelker: also um i did think it was like sickly funny because like one of the one of the things that has been mentioned a lot even on this reunion is how kyle like was had a shitty ass season in the summer house and if it weren't for the scandal he would have been like like we would have a been completely rooting for amanda lifting her up on all of our shoulders and kyle would have been in the gutter and then he got this the scandal comes along and now people are talking about how great he looks and wow he's really doing it and everyone loves kyle everyone loves kyle and then this reunion just sort of like it was funny to me because he he really does not look good in this reunion in this part of the reunion like despite everything with amanda and west we can compartmentalize that into its own section it's like oh kyle was really shitty i was really really really shitty and like his excuses it's just like oh man it's like he just got like he got sort of like thwacked on the way out of this entire two like summer house in the city experience it's like just that everything was great like a little like a little speed bump on his on his image there Yeah.

54:26Ronnie Karam: Georgina brings it up that Kyle, you know, was getting slaughtered. She's like, you're about to be canceled. And then now you're a hero because of this. Like, come on, Kyle, you got pretty lucky in all of this. Yes. Yeah. But in this one, he gets thwacked by Amanda a lot, but everybody else just kind of stays quiet because now it's more popular to hate Amanda. And look, Kyle is, I think, dead ass wrong. And I think you're right. In that first half of Summer House, we were both. I think through the whole thing of Summer House, as far as their marriage went, we've been team Amanda. But Amanda also comes off terrible in this.

55:02Ronnie Karam: And that's what's, you know, she's like, well, you were cheating. But I heard it from a DM. But the girl whose friend it was was 100%. So, okay. But then even if you weren't cheating, you were on a dance floor with someone closer than you should have, you know, close enough that people thought you were. It's like, okay, but did he or didn't he? Now, I get that Kyle is always out partying and flirting. I mean, everybody knows this. So I can see how that's – no one wants to be married to that, right? So she's not wrong in that. But Amanda does keep saying things that then come back like, what? Like, you brought people over to our apartment in the middle of the night.

55:41Ronnie Karam: Okay, it turns out to be a gay guy and his friend, and they were in the office, which isn't in their apartment. You know, there's just a lot that's –

55:49Ben Mandelker: but then he was also blasting his music, which we know he was doing is that there was a complaint and a complaint probably woke her up. I mean, the, uh, I, I, Kyle really does enter, you know, politician mode here. And it's just so funny how he's like not even ready for these allegations because you'd think that he'd be ready by now. And, you know, he's like, well, I think that we protected various aspects of our marriage. And I will say that. And I'm not proud of any type of indiscretions I had, even though I had none, but if they were any, I would be, I'd be not proud of them, but there weren't any.

56:18But if someone were to create one in chat GPT,

56:22Ben Mandelker: I would not be proud of that creation of AI. And I don't have a recollection. I did not make out with chat GPT.

56:27Ronnie Karam: I don't think. Maybe I did. I don't know. And Kyle really does do the same thing he's done since his first season with Amanda. Because when he first got in trouble, he's like, I don't even remember it. What? I mean, maybe it happened.

56:42Ben Mandelker: I don't remember. He always looks like a waitress cleared his plate at the restaurant a little too early. and he's like what what what what what i didn't i wanted that you know and so he's like he's at one point he's like i don't have a recollection personally i think look i think i was very close to someone on a dance floor and i'm just like and your lips touched well no at the end of the day i wasn't happy about it and she's like you know yeah you were solo dancing enough to be close enough to someone that i could be mistaken for making out and there's a video i'm not proud of it i'm not proud of standing someone being very close to someone but i don't know doing it but it never happened if i were on a dance floor i'd be far away from them but if i were close to them it didn't happen and if it did happen i'll be i apologize but i was it didn't happen so there

57:24Ronnie Karam: yeah and amanda will be like yeah but you were seen in a club close with somebody and then somebody else said on the internet that maybe you guys were but it was a hundred percent that you were cheating and you know all of that's really bad but then kyle just makes it worse by being like yeah but you know you know you married i mean i'm always that guy i'm always social like getting away and getting too close to people on the dance floor so why are you mad now

57:49Ben Mandelker: here's the question that i i feel like we all were wanted andy to ask i was shocked that did not come up you know amanda's going through this situation where there was an indiscretion here and later on in the episode it's like oh and he had sex here and i and i didn't say this i was protecting him i didn't say this does a certain point you got to ask amanda why did you stay in this for so long? Like, why did you not leave? What was happening here? I mean, I know she was depressed and it could be hard to just motivate to do anything when you're depressed, but like, it's been years. Why, why did you stay in this?

58:27Ben Mandelker: Why did you do this? I don't want to blame the victim here, but I do want to encourage, you know, you know, taking some sort of, you know, initiation and things and like girl like don't i mean the fact that it was like multiple multiple times and she's she's announcing it like and there was this time and there was this time i'm like a certain point i'm like this is now on you you should have left like i can't feel bad for you anymore

58:56Ronnie Karam: well that's what it does veer into i guess problematic you know territory because you know Then she brings up the like, but I was depressed the whole time, and then I didn't have any self-confidence. And that's a thing in relationships where people do, you know, they are with people all the time. I've been in them where I'm just, my friends are like, what are you doing? And part of me knows, but especially the younger me. How dare you say that about me? Like, I can change. You are definitely not one of those relationships. I don't think anybody's been like, why are Ben and Dom together? No, I meant that you were like saying, like, you want to get away?

59:31Ronnie Karam: from crap hands oh you my relationship no no nobody's i know i didn't get it no one's ever suggested i get away from you but like when i was younger um you know just bad picking and just also like i can change him or this person sees me in a way that other people don't i mean there are just so many different levels to why you don't leave but i know it's easier said than just that kyle's such a bumbling idiot too it's like oh and the fact that it's it's just been the pattern the whole time kyle doesn't want to commit you know then kyle keeps fucking around but amanda's like why are you doing this why are you dating other people if you want to be with me and just be with me and then kyle goes out and she's was then he says he does want to be with her then he cheats again but then he doesn't remember i mean it's been literally since the first second of this relationship so 10 years later it is kind of like oh my god yeah just

1:00:28Ben Mandelker: obviously stop it much like the pink dress situation this is not black and white it's it's easier to be like leave leave him leave him leave him it's hard you feel like you're letting people down it's it's gonna be a lot of drama sometimes it's easier just to keep like keep going and if you're depressed there's i mean there's like lots of complicated reasons why people stay in these relationships i mean just watch rolla and brian on rhode island am i right but in this case i kind of am like i like i get all that comma still should have left him sorry like they're like just like i don't know why like i felt like not very at a certain point i i was like god kyle was garbage in this relationship and i really do believe that but i also at a certain point was like girl you keep on telling me about all the times you did this wrong and that wrong and that wrong but you stayed you stayed like what do you want me to what reaction do you

1:01:23Ronnie Karam: want from me you know what reaction i think when i think this went so far beyond just husband and wife it just went to caretaker and you know she was like kind of a mommy like how you know do this and then he was kind of a daddy and that he took care of all her bills and he he ran the business and she just wanted to not do it again. I know, but I don't want to read through each thing of this. I know. But we're going to take more time just not reading through it. But both of them are so insufferable at this point that I would break up with them. If I was friends with them, I would just say, you two figure this out.

1:02:06Ronnie Karam: I don't want to listen to this anymore. Exactly.

1:02:08Ben Mandelker: And so, again, I really wanted to hear more. I wanted more probing questions about like the nuts and bolts of their separation. And like, I wanted to know about Amanda's apartment situation. But then we wind up sort of in this quagmire where Lindsay's asking, why didn't you guys have sex for four years? And so we get into why they're not having sex. And like, that's fine. I just, you know what it is? It's like, I want questions about the things I'm seeing on TV. and so like again why their sex life was not great like it's like wow it's like bad but like i don't know it's like that's just not as compelling to me as opposed to the stuff that i actually watched and spent time like talking about and now i want like follow-up about it you

1:02:57Ronnie Karam: know well there were some things that they left out of this whole part that they showed us in the previews of the whole season. There was the Bernie Madoff thing when Kevin was saying to Gavin when they got in their argument and he said, you're the Bernie Madoff of the restaurant industry. I wanted to know what that meant. Yeah. And then there was Amanda and Kyle sitting on the couch when she's like, well, you know, I don't plan on this. It was something like, I don't want this to get nasty about money but i will she said something like that and he's like oh well i don't think that's a path you want to go down so yeah you're right they almost had that big financial fight and we're not getting that and instead we're getting more of the same kyle and amanda were a miserable fucking couple i'm so glad they're broken up i hope they stay broken up that he's like i still pay your fucking health insurance and she's well thank you for that it's like oh like what stop just stop stop making you listen here was a cringy here was a definitely a

1:04:00Ben Mandelker: cringy moment and um when they're talking about sex and everything and like i did everything i arranged all the trips i put everything together i did everything and she's like you're not being crucified but it took a toll on a romantic and intimate relationship that's what i'm saying your priority was work and he's like yeah well uh well so like i've i've helped you out with that She goes, yeah, your solution for me was to read a book on how to date an entrepreneur. He's like, it's a great book.

1:04:31Ben Mandelker: And he was like fully like, he was not even denying. He's like, yeah, this is what you should do. Oh, like, oh, you want me to make concessions for you? No, no, you have to read a book and learn how to date me.

1:04:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah, this whole thing. Well, I'm glad those two are broken up. That's for sure. That's all I can say. Congrats on that. Please keep it. Please keep it going. I can't wait to see what turns out with Sally because now he's apparently dating Sally and then Sally's all over social like, y 'all, I could be in love. I could be in love. We might make this official soon, but I'm not going to say anything. AMA.

1:05:09Ben Mandelker: She is the cat that ate the canary and the canary is a DJ now. but uh there was another moment of this that i thought was funny was when there you know kyle amanda was talking about another instance when they got they got drunk and they were where in colorado or somewhere there was some place and they were at a bar and she's like your mouth was literally on a stranger's neck and she was hot too and he's like no first of all it was a blubber

1:05:33Ronnie Karam: kiss and then nick goes he gave her a zerbert a blubber kiss and and kenny's like yeah blubber

1:05:42Ben Mandelker: kisses are not the vibes like no it was innocent well i wasn't gonna do anything like my girlfriend's right there it was a blubber kiss and everyone's like no kyle that's no wasn't his whole family

1:05:51Ronnie Karam: there it was his girlfriend and his whole family or something and they were in a bar yeah and he was saying bye to some girl was like um on her neck matt is like that is so inappropriate and he's like but that's me that's who you married i think that was his response right like i've always

1:06:06Ben Mandelker: been like that like i'm right and everyone's like yeah but it's you shouldn't be giving blubber kisses to girls on their neck while um you're married especially if uh if you if there's allegations of you cheating and you're a public figure so be smarter that's what i am though but you should read a book called how to date a guy who gives blubber kisses to strangers in a totally platonic way it's a great book great book yeah

1:06:32Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I'm sorry I'm not helpful. I fast forwarded to the end. I don't. I hit my fill of Amanda and Kyle. Because to me it's just more of the same. Yeah.

1:06:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So sort of like overview is that they talk about Amanda and her scene with Sierra and West. And like was she being diabolical in that moment? And she insists that she was not. and then um danielle then they talk more about the uh the djing um and and you know like danielle calling that out as a way for kyle to find the loophole so we could keep on getting drunk and amanda saying she's still getting messages from this person and that person and she protected him for so long and then andy's saying can i ask you a question that's going to piss you off you know there was a moment where you just said like fuck you you pete your piece of shit like what about like i think we're all concerned because that's what you said on camera what would you say off camera and like also when you said she gave me the fuck you eyes that was really really bad and i was like but i don't know where the fuck you was i mean you guys saw it right right yeah she

1:07:45Ronnie Karam: did give me the fuck you eyes and andy said yeah that was really uncomfortable to watch and it made me think you know what were you like off camera did you fight this bad what were your fights like and amanda's like we fought like that all the time off camera so yeah yeah i was like well i

1:08:01Ben Mandelker: apologize for uh being um being handsome don't hate me because i'm beautiful and uh sorry i gave good book recommendations it's just yeah it's just it's hard it's hard being an avon god forbid you

1:08:17Ronnie Karam: read instead of smoke weed on the couch online watching Netflix.

1:08:24Ben Mandelker: And then, you know, ultimately it winds up that Amanda says, she explains one of the reasons why she stayed in it for so long was because there really was a lot of love between them, and they just couldn't quite get past the damage. And I guess that's it, is that there was enough, like, upside that she thought that they could get past these things, and now she's learned a very public and harsh lesson sometimes about it.

1:08:49Ronnie Karam: And Kyle also admits that he wanted out of this years ago, but he wasn't going to be the one to do it. I mean, basically because of optics is what it sounded like. He's like, I'm not going to be the one to do that. You know, so ultimately he was kind of happy when this whole thing happened. So he's just been doing his whole, uh, for me.

1:09:11Ben Mandelker: When, don't cry for me. Bye, red boy. Argentina.

1:09:17Ronnie Karam: yeah etc yeah so thank god that's done um yeah i wonder if it's going to be crazy if they bring her back next year because i imagine they'll you know she'll be back the whole cast is saying they don't want to talk to west and they would never but a lot can change in the reality sphere

1:09:34Ben Mandelker: in a lot can but also don't forget that this is going to start um filming again probably in September and I hate to say it that's like six or seven weeks away so this is all really really fresh so I can see maybe Amanda coming back but like I mean even then if you think about it would Amanda be ready would the cast be ready to go back to reality like to shoot with her in like

1:09:59Ronnie Karam: six weeks I don't think so so I think this cast will because the the main people who would have a problem with amanda i mean is sierra right sierra is really the one that got over with amanda and west and uh amanda's not going to be on that show and neither is west so i think they'll look at this one as a separate i that's just my prediction obviously i have no idea but i think i don't think they're going to give up the cash cow so easily i mean people watch the city to see what amanda would have to say for herself with this west thing i don't think the ratings would have been near what they were had it not been for all of this so i think they're gonna try and get some more i mean look how much time they've devoted over the years to amanda and kyle i just don't see them and especially if they have someone like sally you know or you know something like that where kyle is gonna have another crazy relationship to see amanda's reaction to all of that i think

1:10:54Ben Mandelker: bravo will totally try it but maybe um i don't think we're gonna see west again i think west is now going to move into the chapter of his life where he's like, bro, I tried that reality TV shit. It was so fucking stupid, bro. They just eat you up and spit you out, bro. And then he's going to, I think, try to go on the Hannah Burner route and I think he will fail. But I think he will, as everyone predicts, he'll teeter from complex to manosphere and he will find, I think, unfortunately some sort of success because I do think he is incredibly charismatic despite everything that we say we might call him a slimeball whatever he's very very charismatic he's very likable despite how much we all dislike him he's very likable and i think he will he'll reinvent himself off in the world of broey manosphere type things and um you know it'll be very annoying to watch blech well i hope that prediction doesn't come true but i know what but

1:11:54Ronnie Karam: we all know you know what time's gonna do right it's going to tell you something time will tell Tom will tell y 'all So that brings us to the end of Some city coverage Congrats on another season in the can buddy

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