#3487 RHOA S17E17: You Have The Floor

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1:04Ben Mandelker: Who cares what happens when there's so much that crap happens? That's so funny. Watch what crap is. Oh, I mean, don't you know what crap is. Who cares what happens when there's so much that crap happens? Hello, and welcome to Watch What Crap Ins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker, and joining me today for the season finale of Atlanta, it's Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Hey, good. Happy Monday, sucker. Happy Monday. A new week is upon us. Today, we will be on Amazon, as we are every Monday at 1.30 West Coast time, 4.30 East Coast time.

1:45Ben Mandelker: And we're going to be talking specifically about Real Housewives or just Bravo people and their books. So we're going to be perusing their books and reading out of them. So come join us for that. And then also be sure to join us on Patreon for the full Crabbins experience. We've got bonus episodes, video, ad-free listening, and a free newsletter to all. So that's at patreon.com slash watch what Crabbins. Today, here we are. We're at Season 17, Episode 17, Rebels and Outlaws. the final episode of the season before the reunions and it all begins at a go naked hair shoot promo where drew and cynthia and porsche are taking pictures and they're all being lovey and uh friendly and etc etc which is you know it's like porsche and drew have come so far since last year when they hated each other so good for them over go naked yeah and that's all how it started

2:46Ronnie Karam: was, what are you doing a photo shoot for Go Naked for when I didn't ask you to do a photo shoot for Go Naked? And now it's like, let's do a photo shoot for Go Naked. And they're all smiling and laughing. And Portia tells them it's very surreal for them to be the two to bless Go Naked, guys. Well, there was also a Dennis issue

3:07Ben Mandelker: mixed into the middle of that, don't forget. Oh, yeah. There was a lot more to it. I know, Go Naked. But you know, here's the thing. Drew, I think Drew needs the money wherever she can find it. So she's not going to bite the hand that puts Go Naked hair on her. So she found a way to go along and get along with Portia. And then we go to Pinky Cole's house. And Pinky is, she's having a party. And she's giving another speech. She's often making speeches. And she's telling everyone, not only was I able to buy my company back, I have signed Vegas and DC, my first franchises. And everyone claps, which makes you feel like she's turning everything around.

3:53Ben Mandelker: But then at the end of the episode, it's like Pinky is still$4 million in debt. So we'll see.

3:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I was wondering about that too. So I Googled it and it says she had, it does not have a permanent location in Vegas. though founder Pinky Cole Hayes brought the brand to the city for a limited run residency at MGM. So. A hop up. Okay. A hop up. Yeah. Great. So then we go to the network ATL and we're having, we're setting up for a listening party for Kay's new album. And she's giving a speech. She's like, Slutty Vegan has given us all so much. And that's why we're opening in Las Vegas. Thank you.

4:43Ben Mandelker: they're like wait a second k she's like sorry i just got possessed by pinky so she's like i'm getting ready for the listening session in just a couple days this event is bigger than me i mean you have all these african-american artists like mickey gunton and beyonce and britney spencer who have been fighting for so long it's our music and so she basically is saying how this is like really important and she's like the uh only african-american woman signed to a major label in all of Nashville. So she's got to have her own back, which is pretty major. And then now we see, we just see a lot of like fun stuff happening.

5:16Ben Mandelker: We sort of just settle in on a pumpkin patch as one does. And we have Pinky and K. Michelle and Shamia. And then we also see kids and nurses coming along with them. And Pinky is saying that this is the first time that their kids have all played together. And, you know, they're all going to have a really fun time because they're all, all the kids are bougie.

5:36Ronnie Karam: Yes. So there's a little haunted house that they all go through and Kay Michelle's like, oh, that one's just as ugly as Drew. Hey, that skeleton can sing about as good as Drew can. Hey, those witches are about as mean as somebody in our friend group named Drew. She really hates Drew. What did Drew really do to Kay Michelle other than just say, oh, yeah, you know, my friend Black. That was I still don't understand how that was so hurtful. but it's not hard to get on her bad side okay k is k k will uh once you're on her bad side you're

6:14Ben Mandelker: on her bad side and then she'll occasionally do something nice like i wish you the well in your country music career and then she just will come at you for the next three weeks she'll shame your

6:23Ronnie Karam: ass for singing the national anthem for the rest of your life go back and sing national anthem

6:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's for sure. That's definitely for sure. So they go through all this. They go through this like a haunted house, which is funny because the little girl's like, I'm scared. And then the other one's like, I'm not scared. It's like, okay. So they just sort of, they just, they go through all that. And now they're just like talking and K. Michelle's saying that Drew always has something to say. and Pinky is like well yeah she's like the bust of rhyme type man she's like always doing too much and Shamia's like I know it's like they're saying I'm sleeping with George like come on I slept with a guy

7:07Ronnie Karam: with a green beard yeah and they're like well at least George and his wife are there to call it out for being a lie and Shamia's like I'm just dodging bullets 24 7 I just don't know why everybody's after me all the time and they're like yeah this is just a lot of tit and tat you know you guys have to stop that. And Shamia's like, but I'm trying to be bubbly and fun and I'm out there greeting, I'm petting horses. I mean, what am I supposed to do? Ignore that there's a horse on my lawn? Oh my God, a horse for me? I'm so shocked. I'm so shocked I got a horse. I love the scandal of, is this

7:41Ben Mandelker: a pre-planned horse? I know. And then Shamia says, yeah, and then that guy Terry came dressed like Jay-Z and it's like, I need to charge her because that horse shat on my property and now I got an HOA fine.

7:55Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And she has a little video, by the way, of the horse poop. Yeah. So Shamia's like, well, I got a fine for my HOA. Do I expect her to pay it? No. I mean, if she says, I'm sorry, fine. But, you know, I mean, it's not like this woman needs another debt collector. But if she's an asshole about it, then we're going to have to figure something out. Apologize for that horse pooping.

8:20Ben Mandelker: I mean, I think Drew should pay for that. Drew clearly arranged to have this horse brought on. This was like a stunt. Someone's got to pay for it. Shamia should not have to pay for it if someone brought a horse. It's either Terry pays for it if it's sincere, Drew pays for it if it's produced, or the production pays for it. But that's crazy.

8:39Ronnie Karam: Well, we find out later that it's like$2 ,200 or$2 ,700, something crazy, which is, come on, get a trash bag and go clean up the poop. How is this over$2 ,000? dollars.

8:52Ben Mandelker: Well, there's that thing too. How did the HOA know? I guess, I guess maybe because there was a whole production there. I mean, who knows? But Shamia is saying she does, you know, I do let the smaller things roll off. I'm like, yes, Shamia, Shamia and Kay Michelle known for letting small things roll off your back. And she says, I'm going to stand 10 toes down on things that are big to me, especially if they're attacking my marriage, my kids, my family. And Kay is like, yeah, you're going to have to defend yourself. And I understand that, but like what I want is like to have something where everyone is there and like everyone's brought together to have this album listening party because all my fans will be there as we a record label.

9:28Ben Mandelker: I like K. Michelle acting like she's going to have this she's going to have this listening party and it's going to bring all the women together and they can like heal and mend as a result of it and it's basically them in like a general admission room hot room crushed up against the stage and then in the end she's like hi ladies and that's it. Yeah. Jesus and whiskey. so uh do you remember when people attacked me as kids i don't remember that but uh i um well porsche there's i guess you can make an implication like pilar is not allowed to go over because of everything that of the beef between the two of them and so maybe she's taking that as an issue with kids or everything i don't know i don't remember what i do know is that You're attacking my children.

10:19Ronnie Karam: No one attacked your children, ma 'am. Angela did attack your marriage, but you attacked Angela's first, as I recall. You started it.

10:28Ben Mandelker: Queens of Bravo, which is a Twitter account, they said yesterday—actually, I think they said that Reality Blurb reported it. So it's really Reality Blurb reports that Shamia is out at Atlanta. I don't know if this is verified or not, but I would really not be surprised. I think she's had a rough go of it. and I'm sure Gerald is like, why are we on this show? So this may be the end for Shamia. This may be the last we see of her.

10:55Ronnie Karam: Well, that tweet also said that Nini's in and she's out. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. So they're talking about this listening party, and Shamia's like, are you going to have Drew do the Star-Spangled Banner to open things up? Ah!

11:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah, Camichelle always goes there, which I think is kind of funny. So now we go, speaking of Drew, Drew and her mom, Pastor Jeanette, are looking at a house with a very aggressive backsplash in the kitchen. And Drew is saying how things are really bad with Ralph and with him being in the basement. And so before she's getting ready to go to court, et cetera. And so now she's also looking for a new house that has six bedrooms. So it's a lot.

11:51Ronnie Karam: And also crazy. She's looking at a huge mansion. And I love, I was just laughing, not at the story because it's sad. The story is sad. But I was laughing because she's like, and you know, it's been really difficult with Ralph in the basement. And it just cuts to the basement stairs. What do they do that every time? Every time they do that. Every single time they do it. They mentioned Ralph and they just showed these basement stairs going down. But yeah, she's looking at a huge house and she goes up to the master bedroom and she's like, that's tiny. It's not tiny.

12:26Ben Mandelker: That's true. We know what your financial situation is. Please stop acting like this is a cottage for you. Yeah. I mean, it could be worse.

12:38Ronnie Karam: And it probably will be. um this whole the ralph thing is so sad uh i looked that up after to see where that stood i don't think she won custody back he won primary custody and she gets to see the kids every other weekend i mean which is crazy i'm shocked that that happened how did that happen i mean he was saying that she wasn't getting the kids to school and then she came out when that happened and said Ralph was beating one of the children. I mean, the whole thing is just so sad and dark. Yeah, it is.

13:15Ben Mandelker: It is very sad. But we have Pastor Jeanette here. And the thing that is shocking is that Pastor Jeanette is turning 81. I thought she was like 63, 67. 81, Pastor Jeanette. That was, I mean, wow. Wow. So she's checking in on Drew and she's, you know, she's also saying like, you know, you're doing an awesome job. And Drew says, you know, I'm talking to Dr. Ken. I'm trying to make sure that my mental health is OK because I do carry a lot. Like, oh, yeah, Dr. Ken, he's really had a great track record with Bravo in terms of healing some of our favorite stars.

13:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah, he also is pretty creepy in this episode. Damn, Dr. Ken. Yeah, he really is. stay behind the screen you know what i mean stay on the other side of the zoom call because dr ken is pretty handsy geez so she's talking about ralph going for full custody and um she has to prove that all the flights she's taken since 2023 um she has to prove that they were all working and not just vacation time and ralph is saying she's not a present mother and she's like, but you have to work, her mom's saying, you have to work in order to take care of your family. And she's like, I mean, even when I'm on set, I'm on FaceTime while they're doing homework and ordering them food.

14:40Ronnie Karam: And she's like, I don't want to cry today. I just don't have the answers. And this is yeah. I mean, how many times can you say this is really fucking sad?

14:48Ben Mandelker: It's really sad. I also, by the way, I'm curious about this arrangement that, you know, Ralph literally lives in the basement he lives in the same house with the kids so like in terms of um like getting the kids off to school and things like that can't he also help with that i mean you're in the same house i'm so just curious how this arrangement is like is he does he not have contact with the kids while he's in the basement and then when he's not in the basement like she's out of the house is that what they do i mean because they had a whole scene last season where it's like, yes, he's in the basement, but we do actually kind of co-parent and we try to keep things normal for the kids.

15:26Ben Mandelker: So I don't know. Like, I just feel like there's some fishiness on Ralph's end about these claims that he's making.

15:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Ralph also gets to keep the ownership, possession, and title of interest in their Atlanta home. She has to pay him child support.

15:48Ronnie Karam: And yikes. I'm just looking over this right now. This is wild. A lot of yikes. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

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16:48Ronnie Karam: Visit Pura.com to bring the season home. Now we go over to Washington Legal Group with Phaedra. She's sitting down with Kelly and her team about their hearing coming up. Yeah.

17:03Ben Mandelker: So Phaedra, they talk about legal stuff, etc. And, you know, divorce stuff. It's, you know, all that stuff. And then eventually Phaedra just sends her team away. And Kelly talks about how court gives her so much anxiety because she always has to go there and deal with her, her ex there, et cetera. And so, Kelly just thanks Phaedra again for, you know, having her back. And Phaedra's like, well, you know, I went through a terrible divorce and I understand. And so I am, we're going to put you in full armor, the full armor of God, actually the breastplate of righteousness. Speaking of which, I have a little gift for you.

17:44Ben Mandelker: So... The breastplate of righteousness. The breastplate of righteousness is actually a bra from Neiman Marcus.

17:52Ronnie Karam: And they start laughing. And Kelly's like, you know, I don't wear bras. And she's like, yeah, well, you do need to wear bras. Because this is... You're poking people in the eyes with those things. So wear this to court. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Exactly.

18:09Ben Mandelker: And they do our close-up of her nipples. to poke out the judge's eyes. So now we go to Pastor Jeanette's birthday party and everyone's there. The whole gang is there. And Drew is saying that when she asked Ralph if she could have her mom's birthday party at the house, he was like, no. So they rented an Airbnb. So the whole cast arrives and they start talking about this horse again. And Portia's like, who had a horse? You mean like a real horse? There was a horse at Shemews? they're just like it was a real black horse he was the discount version of jay-z because she was dressed as beyonce oh wait so then they're on the run it sounds like something's been going

18:51Ronnie Karam: down between them that we didn't know about and so drew comes down and um for uh phaedra's like i said your horse doesn't come back over here it's like oh my god the horse well he did call and apologize about the horse well he called first he apologized for standing me up but we

19:09Ben Mandelker: really like talk talks yeah this this weird ass fake storyline wedged in at the end of the season makes very little merit very little uh sense but um and then then drew's like i mean how does he burden me with a horse it's crazy so angela says horses are expensive drew didn't know if her horse was a gift and it was lisa lease horse for her drew is just as confused as we are what do you do with a horse?

19:40Ronnie Karam: You know, so Drew says that she has dumped Terry and that's that. So they go downstairs for a drink and Drew is talking about how it's Ralph's weekend and he wouldn't let her use the house for the mom's birthday party. And she talks about Ralph and her mom having major problems over the years and he's never respected her mother. And she's like, you know, and I'm just gearing up for court. So this is a good distraction, you know, and I have my friend friends. And Phaedra's like, wait, you have somebody else besides Timo Jazy? Who is it? And she's like, just black. You know, it's just black. My mommy loves black.

20:24Ben Mandelker: So then Portia's saying that she's a hopeless romantic and she says, yes, you can date two people. It's fine. And I need to give my little sister some tips, right? My little sis needs some tips because I'm clearly dating successfully. I'm like, okay, that's the, okay, whatever. So they're having, they're trying to shoot their scene in the basement. Really nothing's going on, but they're trying to shoot their scene. And then Dr. Ken comes downstairs and this guy is so starved to be on TV. We know he's not supposed to be down there because he's not even mic'd up. They didn't even like put a microphone on him and say, okay, go join the ladies.

20:59Ben Mandelker: He clearly was like, oh, they're shooting a scene downstairs. I've got to be on camera. So he comes in in the middle of their group scene and then just starts talking and getting handsy and hugging for a long time. And I'm like, this guy is, we've always known he was a camera whore, but this is really above and beyond.

21:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, this is pretty bad. He keeps throwing himself in front of every camera through the rest of the party. He's like the center of the dance floor. And in this one, he's hugging on Phaedra and has his mouth right in her ear. And he's like, oh, yeah, I just love your spark, Phaedra. and I just just like to say one thing nene nene is that dr. Jeff that was dr.

21:40Ben Mandelker: Jeff dr. Ken is Candace's doctor and also um Drew's doctor and I think there's like one or two other people he has he has helped out I think maybe was he Cecil and Simone's doctor a therapist during their hard times?

21:58Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah, I think so, yeah. I'll look it up everyone. And everyone's a little creeped out because he's just staying on Phaedra's ear. And they're like, what's going on? So he leaves finally, and she's like, well, I do like Dr. Ken. He's a good fella. They're like, uh. So Portia's like, so you're licking Phaedra's ear, and now you're trying to shade me? Because he goes, hey, Portia, I can be your marriage counselor. she's like what are you talking about he's like for your next marriage and she's like uh-huh what's he shading me about what the hell this guy comes and creeps all over a page right now

22:35Ben Mandelker: he's shading me yeah yeah he's just like please have me back on the show it's been a while i haven't shot any scenes this season now that ralph won't appear on camera like my connection to atlanta's diminishing so um uh that yeah so they're basically just like skeeved out by dr Ken. And then Portia is like, are you moist? She's like, are you moist? Are you moist, Phaedra? What was all that, bitch? And Phaedra's like, I don't know. She's like, you guys got instant chemistry.

23:06Ronnie Karam: Jeez. I love how Portia shaded Dr. Ken, though, because he's like, she goes, well, are you long time married? And he said, well, why are you in my business? I'm here for you. And she goes, you're not here for me. You're not mine. He said he's a professional. Fuck out of here. Get out of there. You're not my doctor, Licky. Back off. So then Phaedra is just making, like, faces and everyone laughs. So then they're talking about how happy Drew's mom looks at 81 and then comes in Black.

23:40Ben Mandelker: Yeah, he is back. And the producer's asking, are things getting more serious with Drew and Black? No, we're still in the same place. Black and I are just still friends. and he lives where he lives and I live where I live and we don't get to see each other a lot and we talk on the phone but like I'm just like really happy and it's like mutual respect and I'm just like it's just like really simple

24:01Ronnie Karam: and she just told us oh my mom loves Black she just loves him he's a great guy and then he walks in and the mom's like oh wow Black's a real person so there's Drew for ya so now Drew plays her new song for everyone and everybody dances and now Dr. Ken is grinding up on Jeanette and then you know dancing into the center before all right dr ken back up back it up buddy

24:29Ben Mandelker: it's time to back it up back it up all right um and now it's time for shamia and her surrogacy you know i had asked a few weeks ago about like the endless series of in vitro and fertility issue and surrogacy things. And I asked the audience, you know, this is a world that I am not connected to. And I said, is this stuff, is this when Bravo shows these scenes, is this compelling content? Because this is stuff that is relevant to a lot of our listeners' lives. Or is this frustrating content because you're trying to escape this kind of stuff in your lives? And all I know is that I think recently I spotted something pop up on Reddit and someone was kind of like, yeah, I don't want to watch this stuff.

25:19Ben Mandelker: Like this is too close to home. I think that's what I'm thinking. It was about this stuff. Maybe it's just about kids in general. It could have been umbrella, just issues with kids. But there was a resounding, it seemed like there was a resounding response of people saying, I am trying to escape the shit I am going through. and I kind of have to feel like the ongoing tales of surrogacy and in vitro issues on Bravo has to be driving people nuts. Like it drives me nuts. I'm not attached to it, but it has to be driving people nuts who are actually going in the thick of it and knowing how tough it is and knowing how expensive it is and knowing how fraud it is.

26:00Ben Mandelker: I have to say, I have to imagine that Bravo must be driving a lot of people nuts with these, with these scenes, right?

26:06Ronnie Karam: Well, they do. I mean, there are a lot of them you know there are a lot of these kind of scenes on there so i don't know the one that the thing that really bugs me about this one is the whole like oh my god gerald really wants a male and if i can't give gerald a male i just don't know what he's gonna do it's it makes me really not like gerald it just feels like a problem it just feels problematic like yeah it feels gross to me there i said it was like sorry it just does i don't like that whole like i'm when We have to have a boy. And then what's Gerald going to do? I'm like, what is Gerald going to do?

26:39Ronnie Karam: Like, he's going to leave you to go get another boy? Like, what is this about? I don't like it. And then Daphne comes in and she's like, oh, wow, you haven't met Gerald yet. You haven't even met the surrogate? This is all crazy.

26:54Ben Mandelker: I think they spoke on the phone or something like that. But anyway, I mean, you know, obviously it's an agonizing moment. I know people who are going through similar things, et cetera. we all know people but i'm i'm i'm kind of over all these storylines i'm not gonna lie maybe this is me being like uh i apologize if this is being sort of skewed through like a male perspective a gay male perspective but for me i'm just kind of sick of it it's more like sometimes when the same storyline gets trotted out over and over and over again across all the shows i just want something new to focus on i'm sorry well shimmy is not going to give it to you

27:31Ronnie Karam: Shamia is going to pull out every story. She's going to come out with a song. She's going to come out with a product. She's going to do every like hacky housewife storyline. Not saying that this one is just for storyline, but this one does bug me because of what I just said. And also this. So she's like, so Daphne, you know, I don't want to put a heaviness or weight of this. I don't want to put all the weight on you. But I mean, figuratively, because literally I do. But, you know, you just have to know how important this is to my family and I. I've been on this journey for five years and I've had four transfers fail.

28:05Ronnie Karam: And now we're down to our last boy and I'm scared. And she's like, well, we just got to continue praying. And she's like, you know, I just, I guess my problem with it is like, stop pressuring her. I know. This is not like before team sports, like you're coaching somebody. Like, okay, do not fuck this up. This is the last chance you have, and you will have them. You will bring this male embryo to fruition. Like, what the hell? You're talking about a child growing inside of somebody.

28:37Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and I think what actually is kind of funny about this is that a very common trope on Bravo is that when someone is pregnant and there's like a tough conversation to be had or there's some sort of tension in the air, there is like the common thing of like, well, we have to leave. I'm carrying a baby and this is stressful and it can ruin everything, which is not wrong, by the way. But I love like the emphasis of like, we don't want to stress out anyone, right? Because you don't want to stress out someone who's pregnant. And then Shamiya is like, I don't want to stress you out. But this is the last baby that we have.

29:13Ben Mandelker: This is the last boy that we have. So everything's riding on this. And if you fuck it up, you're going to be responsible. And here's a camera in your face. And we're all going to remember who you are. It's like, whoa, can we not overload this lady? Let's just let her go and just have a peaceful pregnancy without that sense of obligation just weighing on her.

29:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I didn't like it. I don't like it. I don't like Gerald stressing Shamia about it, and I don't like Shamia stressing the mother about it. It's crazy, or the surrogate about it. So Shamia is crying and saying, my husband's so good to me. Sorry, go ahead.

29:52Ben Mandelker: No, I just want to clarify because I have to clarify because I can already tell people are going, there will be some people who will hear the screed that I just had and I'm concerned it's going to land in the way that I'm not intending it to land, which is merely that we just see this storyline so many times that I'm like a little sick of it. but I'm like, if it's compelling, if I guess what I'm questioning is if this is very compelling and riveting for people, because this is a very real part of life, a real part of the human and the female experience. And, you know, and, and so it connects with them.

30:31Ben Mandelker: I don't want to be dismissive of that. I don't want to be dismissive of something like, Oh God, it's another lady trying to get pregnant. Right. I mean, it's a man's world. Like, I'm not trying to be like that. I feel like Bravo is constantly pumping the brakes on shows to be like, let's have another serious scene about trying to get pregnant. And I'm like, I want to stick with deluded ladies getting drunk and having fun and going at it. But I just am over these somber moments where it's like, no, this show needs to be taken seriously right now. And that's what I'm pushing back against. So for anyone who may confuse what I'm saying as just like dismissing the difficulties and the very real pressures of getting pregnant and going through fertility issues, I'm not dismissing that.

31:23Ben Mandelker: I'm just saying on Bravo, I'm ready for some different kind of scenes.

31:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah, I just find this problematic, particularly this one problematic. And she's saying, you know, my husband is so good to me and I want to give him exactly everything he wants. And if it doesn't work out, then I have to have this conversation. And I just don't know what I'm ready to have that conversation. Like I can't even. So what does that mean? Is he going to leave you if you don't produce a mail for him? It's just the whole thing is grossing me out. So then we go to Portia's house and Sway comes over. And I have to say, Portia's energy with Sway, like her chemistry, I find it to be the more believable chemistry of most of the people she's been with.

32:12Ronnie Karam: I think this one wins. Is this the first time we've really seen Portia with any real chemistry? I guess we saw it a little with the hot dog guy.

32:22Ben Mandelker: I mean, I would have a chemistry with someone who's giving me free hot dogs.

32:27Ronnie Karam: That's inevitable.

32:28Ben Mandelker: but actually no I think part of that was like is it chemistry with this guy or hot dog buns because those are amazing yeah I mean I'll be flipping my hair if someone's like here's a Hebrew national I was like oh really oh my god I would be very happy but I agree I think that this is there is I do feel like I see hearts in her eyes in a real way I think sometimes with those other relationships she's almost trying to convince herself or whatever um so uh i mean i think i like sway the most out of all the all the the people that she has dated so far i wouldn't say i'm compelled by the storyline and i think that this whole like i've got to make a choice on the season finale like reeks of self-producing but um yeah team sway for sure um she tells us

33:20Ronnie Karam: that Sway coaches people to open their own salon suites. That's an interesting... Sway takes over.

33:28Ben Mandelker: That's such a specific lane. Does Tabitha know about this? Is she okay with it?

33:37Ronnie Karam: I had no idea that this was Sway's thing. And Kenya could have used you. Because this is just the year after Kenya left. And her salon's gone now. So where was Sway then?

33:51Ben Mandelker: Of all the careers that you were going to tell me that Sway is in, that was not going to be it. Like literally any other. If you said she is an innovator in cotton candy branding, I'd be like, well, of course. But like consulting on salon opening, I don't know why. I just think it's so funny for Sway.

34:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I've just never heard that that's a thing. So to have a whole business, it's you go, you go sway. So they're being flirty. And Portia took the class because she wanted to be supportive. And she's like, is that stalkery? She's like, yeah, kind of, but it's hot.

34:34Ben Mandelker: That's actually really sweet. That's how you know it's real. If you take a voluntary class on best practices and opening a salon, that's like, that's, although to be fair, Portia does have go naked hair. I would not be surprised if the Porsche Go Naked Hair Salon opens up in Atlanta, maybe in the former home of Kenya, more hair care.

34:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Sway's like, well, you're on call in every area of your life. And she's like, was that some shade? And she's like, no. I mean, it's just that you're doing a lot over there as well. She goes, whatever I do, I do with you. And she's like, mm-hmm. You're with me like 30 % of the time.

35:17Ronnie Karam: obviously talking about Mike. So she's like, so I am curious to know where we stand because, you know, I'm not really a big fan of being part of a triangle and stuff. And Portia's like, okay. So Mike, she goes, oh, gosh. So wait, there's love going on with Mike? And she's like, well, I'm a very lovable person. And we see the clip of Mike announcing that he is in love with Portia in front of K. Michelle and her guy at the bowling alley. Yeah, so then Portia says, you know... Last time, I mean, we did discuss this, but you were dating someone else when we met.

35:54Ben Mandelker: And Sway's like, correct? She's like, yeah, so back at ya. She's like, well, but am I still dating other people? Not like I was before, but, you know, we still engage with people every now and then, so she's like... So when are you going to decide not to date this other person? She's like, well, it has to be a feeling with you like you know what i'm saying she's like but i'm telling you i feel it it's like oh yeah i feel it right now i only learned about wait i didn't know you were feeling it i only learned like 30 seconds ago that you were feeling it okay she's like it's a season finale right now

36:27Ronnie Karam: i'm feeling it right now and she's like oh okay so she goes yeah because like i feel like spending more time together it's definitely changed things you know like it's a problem for mike and Sway says, lesbian going to be a problem? She's like, lesbian? Am I a lesbian yet?

36:45Ben Mandelker: So basically, Portia is saying, you know, love is love. She's like, is anybody done with men for good when they get a heartbreak? We don't know. It's not gender. It's feeling and curiosity.

37:01Ronnie Karam: Is this where she does like the rainbow hands? She's like, I thought so, but it may have been later. because maybe later i'm gay gay i'm gay gay gay gay gay later on she talks about how how like mike

37:15Ben Mandelker: found out which was because she porsche basically made an instagram official with sway and mike found out that way she's like oh well so maybe it was then when it happens okay so angela let's go

37:26Ronnie Karam: to angela's house family dinner and people are finally moving into her uh house she's got tenants for her other house. And so Angela is telling Amari, and Amari's like, yeah, the spiders found a roommate, I guess. It's the spider house.

37:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and Angela says that they got an exterminator, which is always great. And they start talking about a Fangi photo shoot, and hopefully Fangi will be ready for Christmas. I mean, I'm going to get a Fangi as soon as I can get my hands on one. Well, watch your wig. I don't think there'll be any concerns about my hair getting caught in it, unfortunately.

38:13Ronnie Karam: So, Angelo's questioning why Valeria is not here. And it's Sunday night, which is when Game of Thrones is on, House of the Dragon. So, of course, I was like, yes, Valerian. But it's not. It is Amari's wife. And she's like, well, she's worked. She was going to come, but she had to work. You want to call her? We should FaceTime her. So they do. And Angela's talking about how the elopement really upset her. And so we see Valeria on FaceTime. And Angela's like, well, last time you saw me was on the phone and I was having a very heated discussion with Amari. So we see that after the last scene where they were doing mom and daughter therapy on the couch, that Amari just went straight to the kitchen and called her wife.

39:03Ronnie Karam: and Angela walked in and was like, don't do this. Don't do this right now.

39:09Ben Mandelker: So Amari is like, yeah, every time I talk to her or we have a serious conversation, she always brings up how much I hurt her. So Valeria's on FaceTime. She goes, well, I mean, you can't change someone's perspective even though you know their intentions are pure. And then Angela's like, Amari, stop. You're going to give her a flawed view of what this is. And Amari is like, what do you mean she's like don't even do this it's my perception that's my perspective so that was the whole flashback apparently and then um we're back and valeria is now like on the phone and she's like you know i get it it was just you know our elopement was just very spare of the moment and i recognize how it affected you guys especially you and i know you guys are very close So I can see that how that could be very hurtful.

39:57Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry.

39:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Angela's like, you know, Angela's upset. And she had every right to be. So they hang up with Valeria and Angela's crying. And then she's like, Charles, why do I feel like I'm having this conversation alone? And he said, because you're the only one talking. She's like, you don't have anything to say.

40:20Ben Mandelker: He's like, no. do you feel like she should get married he's like i mean she has to make her own decisions so amara's like i hate to say it mom but i feel like the reason why i was so secretive about it is because i didn't want to prove you right she's like oh are you having any type of regret she's like yeah i think you were right about a lot of things but about getting married and the work and you have to put all the work you have to put into marriage you were right mom all along

40:51Ronnie Karam: um so she's having problems in her marriage what the hell i can't even tell why are you bringing that up big i need to know charles is just sitting there he's like resting all the way back he's like

41:03Ben Mandelker: yeah marriage is hard does that count are you happy angela i i contributed like so yeah and now

41:10Ronnie Karam: Angela goes, this, this is being married. Like motions at Charles, like, oh.

41:21Ronnie Karam: So, you've seen everything we've gone through. It's hard. And Charles is like, it is hard. Life is hard, you know? And Amari's like, well, this is just not an easy life. And you were right, mom. You were right. So there you go. You have it. So now I want to know what's happening with Amari and Valeria. I don't like this.

41:42Ben Mandelker: I sort of want to know, but it's, you know, I'm okay. I will rest well at night. Commercials, here comes one right now.

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44:08Ronnie Karam: and um you know pinky and k are talking about uh are taking each other i don't know who cares kelly's arriving and uh kelly arrives and she's saying today was a much better day and they're asking about the court date and it turns out they didn't have a court date because her ex husband sued the county and he filed five motions that the judge has to review which is most likely a delay tactic. So this is just going to keep going and going and going and going. So Drew comes and she's like, I'm excited that I'm even invited to K. Michelle's listening party. I mean, I made the list. You know, I like her songs.

44:54It seems to put her in a happy place. So I like seeing her in this moment in her music bag. Good for her.

45:01Ben Mandelker: So everyone says hi. And, you know, so then Drew, they start talking about animals. And Drew says, well, you know, I have a horse now. And Kelly is like, is that your horse? And Pinky is like, oh, I got to get my boots on for the horseback riding. So they're laughing about the horses. And then Shamia's like, oh, you know that horse shat in my yard, right? And Drew's like, where's the evidence? This is the first time I'm hearing of it. Drew, you need evidence to know that a horse poops somewhere. Please.

45:33Ronnie Karam: And do you doubt it? Have you ever been on one? They'll poop mid-walk while they're taking you down the street after a wedding or something. You know, when you take one of those carriage things. They'll poop right at you. Okay, a horse doesn't care. So Shamia whips out a piece of paper. And she's like, here's all the fines. It's official from the HOA. So the violation was permitting livestock to stray.

46:02Ronnie Karam: Did that horse go to other yards? Just went up and down the street? I don't know. It says the client is demanding a$2 ,200 fine for professional cleaning and sanitation services,$800. Property restoration and landscaping repair,$700. administrative costs related to HOA compliance 200 and legal costs incurred to date$500

46:29Ben Mandelker: what the hell it must have pooped on the on the street it's probably a gated community it probably pooped on the street or somewhere and then they like someone saw horse poop on the street and complained because there was probably a neighbor across the street that's like look at them filming a television show and now there's a horse and the horse just pooped off the side of the curb It's not on her property. It's on the community property.

46:51Ronnie Karam: You know that's what happened. That horse poop meant that the trash cans cannot be pulled to the exact line they are supposed to be pulled to. That is an extra$1 ,000. I'm calling Anne Hathaway. Well, she didn't bring the horse. So why don't you send this letter to the guy who brought the horse? 100%.

47:11Ben Mandelker: Send it to Terry. Send it to Daryl. Yeah. I would be pissed. But then Drew's like, what? What have you concocted? This is crazy. So they give it to Portia. I'm not Portia, to Phaedra to read. And Phaedra's like, I don't know. But they're like, this is a crazy document. And Drew's like, this is really corny, but I'm going to look into this. Like, why are you putting these falsified papers in front of me? There's no pictures. There's no evidence. If you need help with your taxes, just say so.

47:50Ben Mandelker: Drew trying to get out of paying this fine is hilarious.

47:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Don't throw IOUs in a broke house. So she's like, this is performative. It's very performative. She goes, performative? You brought a horse to my house. She's like, I didn't know I was getting the horse. So funny. So Drew's like, Pedro, will you look at this? And she's like, yes, I will look at it. property restoration landscaping repair administrative costs um they're like 2200 and k michelle goes for horseshit that's high that that is pretty high and she was like that

48:29Ben Mandelker: horse had diarrhea and so page was like that's crazy so now porsche arrives with sway and uh you know shamia tells us shamia watches uh porsche does not even address her and shimia says at the end of the day, I know I did my best to try to salvage this friendship by bringing up the fact that her mother tried to sleep with my dad. I thought that by airing that on national TV, it would finally salvage our friendship. But at this point, I don't give a fuck. I'm going to reciprocate the energy you're giving me. I'm going to match it.

49:06Ronnie Karam: Okay. Well, she's giving very happy energy today, and you're not matching it. I just love Shamia's retelling. Like, I did my best to salvage this relationship. When? When? Please. I need Shamia to be asked questions. Like, when was this? Because you say a lot of things in these confessionals. It just didn't happen. So now it's a hard launch of Sway. And so Sway is introduced to everybody. And everyone's like, oh, my God, Portia seems so happy.

49:37Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's a hard launch. she's official with patrice this is where she says we are very serious that was this is the gay rainbow because i'm gay real gay i fucked around and found out woohoo gay and then she goes um yeah but by the way um so mike ended up finding out about the post um and i didn't do right by him on that but i made it right so um yeah okay but i'm also like not getting married

50:04Ronnie Karam: so like whatever um yeah he found out on instagram oh mike his contract was over

50:12Ben Mandelker: so uh then angie's like hey everyone i brought everyone a fangie for you to try so porsche turns it on this like bright light shines out of like wow and then it gets like her hair gets

50:23Ronnie Karam: caught in it they're like what yeah it's a flashlight as well as a fan apparently and And Angela's like, no, don't do me like that. Press the top button. Lady, I don't want a fan that I might confusedly turn a flashlight on in my face. Yeah. Seems like a bizarre design. So then they do turn on the fan. They're like, whoa, that's loud. That's a loud little fan. The back of the fan sucks Porsche's hair in and it breaks it. And Angela's like, oh, okay, I need to put a warning label on there. She had it too close to her wig. She sort of gathers them up like nothing to see here.

51:00Ben Mandelker: Nothing to see here. So now it's time for singing and dancing. Really just singing. It's K. Michelle. So she performs her song, Jesus and Whiskey, which is not to be confused with coffee and sex. And she sings it. It's fun. And then she sings a song called Jack Daniels. And then after that, a song called Maker's Mark. And then after that, it's a song called Doers. and a song. She was really just like going right down the aisle. Just like, and now here's another song dedicated to my favorite whiskey. The Lord and Belvedere. The Spirit and Tequila.

51:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't know about Jesus and whiskey. I respect the country album thing. I don't know that I need more songs playing about Jesus. And Jesus and whiskey. But, you know, to each their own, I guess. the vocal performance not great on this and i was actually really surprised because i've i've listened to some k michelle since this show came on and her vocals are pretty good but these

52:10Ben Mandelker: live ones were oh it's not not it's not amazing she's probably furious at bravo she's probably not going to come back next season just because of that she's like you were doing me dirty like that um she's gonna blame it on on portia she's like portia told the producers put that cut in I just know it. So, but they all are singing along and they're happy. And K. Michelle gives a song, gives a speech about how the songs are based off of stories of men that have attempted to destroy some of the most powerful and beautiful women, you know, like, like, I guess like Jesus and whiskey. And so she has, she's like, and I met the most beautiful women recently.

52:47And these women have raised their kids and they make their money and they, they talk their shit and they get up every day looking beautiful and not like what they're actually going through. So she basically tells her castmates, you guys have all changed my life. Thank you for running a conspiracy against me and putting it out there that my coochie smelled one time. Before anybody can beat me to it, I'm going to say, this song is called Plans, what was she calling it? Conspiracies and Plans to try and get me.

53:21Ronnie Karam: So she performs a song and then starts passing the mic to all the ladies to sing it one by one. By the way, the song is called V-SOP. Don't assume I know your song.

53:30Ben Mandelker: The song is called V-SOP, and I was like, what does V-SOP mean? It actually pertains to cognac. She really is just going to sing about alcohol. Every single song is going to be about booze.

53:39Ronnie Karam: Well, it's country music. She does need a song about a truck in there, you know? There needs to be a song about Jesus, there needs to be a song about whiskey, and there needs to be a song about your truck and how much you love it.

53:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I mean, by the way, it also, Vsop, it also is just like slang for like high-end liquor. But the point is, we were joking before about how every album, every song could be named after like a whiskey or a liquor. And it really is going to be that way, it turns out.

54:11Ronnie Karam: The Virgin Mary in Vsop. So she starts handing the mic to everyone, and they're supposed to know all the lyrics to this. and they mostly do actually until it starts coming to Drew and Drew's like oh god don't hand me the mic I don't know the words to this song but she does hand her the mic and Drew's just like delusional America America she's like I don't want to fuck the scene she's just like oh say V-SOP can you V-SOP V-SOP V-SOP okay that's enough out of you Drew And Pedro says, yeah, everyone in this group could be in church choir, but let's face it, Whitney Houston is not among us. Yeah.

54:59Ben Mandelker: So Drew is like mortified. And then we go to that. They sort of finished that. And now they all go back backstage and they start talking. And they're all just kind of like everything is like fine and happy and good. and Pinky is saying how tonight really feels like a celebration and she's like, you know, I'm not fine. By the way, just so you know, Vsop is one of K. Michelle's earlier famous songs from 2013, which is why all of them knew the lyrics except for Drew, by the way. So, they're just chatting and everything and K. Michelle's like, Drew is crazy and Drew's like, no, you're more crazy. She's like, no, Drew is crazy.

55:40You don't think you're a little bit crazy? Just a little bit. She's like, I mean, you know I can tap into it if I need be, but I still don't understand why we have to get off on the wrong foot. Yeah. And she's like, well, Drew, you be plucking. You're doing stuff, girl. You're stirring up the pot.

55:58Ronnie Karam: And, uh, Pinky's like, uh-oh, look at Shamia ready to jump in. And Drew says, I'm just going to let you move on from it. Cause you never even talked about what I did. And she's like, you're stirring up. That's what you did. You said it was a scheme and you didn't feel safe. What? Well, you're doing stuff like trying to imply that I knew that man. You're just implying. She goes, but you did know him. You did know him. Tell him. Tell me how I know that man. Well, you saw him on my phone. You definitely did even before I met you. And Drew's like, well, your reaction was like that you knew him. So you never knew him?

56:30Okay, so everyone heard her say she doesn't know Black. So you're saying you don't know him? Well, here's the DM. And don't don't. Okay, Michelle's like, I didn't look at the DM until after you said that. That was my friend. And Drew's like, so, but that would be in August of September, right?

56:49Ben Mandelker: So then Phaedra's like, I know we're not talking about these text messages with Black. Lord Jesus, here's the text messages. Girl, save that. Save it for David.

57:00Ronnie Karam: So she's showing the text, which is basically him saying, wow, I saw you and you were so great. I was so proud of you. And she said, I saw you out there. He was so good to see you too, honey. And he was like, yeah, brooding for you. Something like that. That was kind of an innocence. It looked pretty innocent to me. And, um, but her point is this text was long before Drew even brought it up. So that's supposed to be some kind of proof. And then the security guard is trying to get Drew out of there, like kind of trying to drag her out of there. And then she falls over and, um, she winds up on the floor.

57:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And then Drew's like, guys, I tripped. It happened, okay? But I got a DM nonetheless. And K. Michelle's like, well, we might trip, but we don't fall. Get your ass up. You're looking stupid. Come on. She's like, do you know how many men hit on me? Good looking men. Rich men. Broke men. Everybody's man. I say, thank you for coming, handsome. Jesus. I don't care about no black. I don't know about no black.

58:04Ronnie Karam: And Pinky's like, why are we even talking about black? what is going on? Why is this fight still happening? We're 18 episodes in it or 17 episodes and nobody understands this argument. Yeah.

58:17Ben Mandelker: So basically Drew's like, I'm leaving. Goodbye. And then she's telling people, I tripped on my, I tripped on my pants. So then Drew tells us, you know, somehow I wound up on the floor tackled by security. They, you know, that's what happened. I was tackled. And, um, but she says, you know, you're a beautiful singer, but at the end of the day as a human being you suck and your people are fucking aggressive and they pushed me down

58:41Ronnie Karam: um pinky also announces that she is no longer declaring bankruptcy but she did two months ago uh so anyway um uh so k michelle's like go sing national anthem and leave me the fuck alone so she leaves and all the fans are hackling her to look yeah get out of here loser

59:03Ben Mandelker: yeah and so then they all they basically end the episode where everyone is like gathers out front take a group photo but like drew is not there because she's left for now and uh we see uh phaedra is still the godfather of atlanta and now the lady of the glen but unfortunately her scottish property exists mostly in spirit and then pinky is nearly four million dollars in debt uh But she is moving on to a new chapter in her life, Chapter 11. But she is filing bankruptcy and she's teaching. She's on TikTok teaching haters, do as I say, not as I owe.

59:41Ronnie Karam: Shamia's is, after quite a year of navigating friendships, Shamia's business life took a hit. Rum bum may be done, but Shamia's on to her next adventure with Gerald by her side. They're launching a perfume line. oh for please keep the butt bottle please make it a nap please yeah let's you don't you don't

1:00:04Ben Mandelker: have to come out with a product just because you're on the housewives also i know everyone wants to capitalize off these things but just because you're on a show doesn't mean you have to have a product to just do something else um then uh that the whole gang is still like they're still sort of you know joking around and stuff and now angela's thing is after more therapy angela and amari have built a healthier bond and with things cooling down in her personal life the wait list for the fangie drop is heating up so yeah so there's a little mini fight with uh kelly

1:00:40Ronnie Karam: and angela um where angela's like oh you wore your kitten you wore your kitten heels and kelly says boots just as tall as you and she goes oh your bills are too honey yes angela kelly's like why would you why are you worried about mine worried about your own dad she goes worried about the goddamn lawsuit from your husband then you better worry about charles you better put him put him

1:01:02Ben Mandelker: back on the court don't mess with angela she comes back at you quickly so then kelly is like um Angela goes for

1:01:13Ronnie Karam: she just goes for the kill move every single time. And it works. Even when she messes it's hilarious. Yeah. So Drew leaked the tea on Kelly's Nana's Sandy Springs closing and we see the DM of Drew like being um doesn't look like this is open to me looks pretty close whoops

1:01:34Ben Mandelker: yeah and then um then we see a month later we see that there was like a another update on Kelly's situation which is just like it still sucks and then Drew suddenly comes back because they were like Drew you have to be here for the final photo of the season get your ass back here so she's like well I love the girls in the group so we have our bums in the row but I came back to show up for the ones that support me I'm like no the producers told you to come back and take a photo and Drew's update is that she and Ralph reached a settlement in their bitter divorce and reportedly drew was ordered to leave the marital home and lost primary custody of the children and is required to pay monthly child support as we already mentioned.

1:02:18Ronnie Karam: Yikes. I just have to mention Phaedra's statement. She's like, the judge found, this is regarding Kelly's husband, the judge found that he was in contempt of the order and mandated him to be incarcerated until he purges$31 ,000. I just let the lawyer speak. The purge is$31 ,000. So then Kay Michelle's is... Oh, sorry. No, I didn't realize we missed Kay Michelle's.

1:02:46Ben Mandelker: My bad. Oh, yeah.

1:02:49Ronnie Karam: Kay Michelle's is that her album dropped July 31st, and she's yodeling all the way to the bank. Portia and Sway are still going strong after eight months, taking family vacations and living their best life. But despite AI-generated rumors, her ring finger will still go naked. Yeah.

1:03:07Ben Mandelker: So that was the season finale. I wouldn't call it a great episode, but I think overall a pretty good season. Maybe a stronger first half than a second half, but these things happen. So the reunion trailer, on the other hand, looks amazing and I can't wait to see it.

1:03:29Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so a three-part reunion coming up. We'll talk to you guys next time. Bye. Bye.

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1:05:17Ben Mandelker: Who, what, why, where, and Gwen Pentland Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall We got our wish, it's Jen Plish My favorite Murdo, Karen McMurdo Let's get savage with Laura Wildman In the study, with a candlestick, it's Leslie Peacock. We're ride or die for Lisa Rider Baron. She's a whiz, it's Liz Sarthy. Always killin' it, it's Lola Alkalani. Roger that, it's Marlis Rogers.

1:05:43Ronnie Karam: The incredible edible Matthews sisters. She eases our woes, it's Melissa St. Rose. There's a chance of meatballs, it's Rebecca Cloud. She's our princess, it's Rebecca Prince.

1:05:54Ben Mandelker: She's the queen bee, it's Sarah Lemke. We cannot tell a lie, it's Sarah Talafsun. Shannon out of a can and Anthony. Please don't stop. It's Soli and Pop. Let's take off with Tam LaPlane. Strike a pose. It's Tori Rose. She ain't no shrinking Violet Kuchar. We love you guys. There's something about fall that makes you want to slow everything down. Cooler mornings, longer evenings. A home that feels like it's exhaling.

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1:06:33Ronnie Karam: Visit Pura.com to bring the season home. This episode is sponsored by McDonald's.

1:06:38Ben Mandelker: I'm having my hot Caesar summer, Ronnie. Yes. Caesar sauce? I feel like we don't talk about Caesar sauce enough because it's so, so good. I love to dip everything into it. Have you ever dipped fries in Caesar sauce before?

1:06:50Ronnie Karam: I mean, I just have. It is delicious. Caesar sauce is like a Parmesan, garlicky blend with some lemon in it. And you can dip anything in there.

1:06:58Ben Mandelker: One thing I have been known to do is to stop over at McDonald's and go to the drive-thru and get myself a Caesar snack wrap and just dip some fries in the Caesar sauce. Also, the crispy strips in the Caesar sauce. Honestly, try it. It's really good.

1:07:13Ronnie Karam: Listen, I say if you put Caesar sauce on something, that automatically makes it better. Yes, that's really all you need is the Caesar sauce.

1:07:20Ben Mandelker: I think I just want to have just a constant supply of Caesar sauce and put it on things at all times.

1:07:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm a straight up French fry and Caesar sauce kind of a boy. That's what I love. And that's how I'm going to go down.

1:07:33Ben Mandelker: Right now at participating McD's, the$2.99 Caesar snack wrap is making me rethink my go-to order.

1:07:41Ronnie Karam: Caesar sauce at participating McDonald's for a limited time. Prices and participation may vary. It's a new era, a new reality, and a new obsession. Stassi's back making an entrance and making it unforgettable in the new series House of Stassi

1:07:57Ben Mandelker: watch new episodes Wednesdays on Freeform and streaming on Hulu reality royalty returns unfiltered unpredictable and unafraid to say the quiet part out loud calm on the outside crisis on the inside

1:08:08Ronnie Karam: get ready for a raw inside look at her world balancing family friends career and chaos no apologies no holding back

1:08:16Ben Mandelker: it's Stassi direct from the source and nothing like anything you've seen before, from her husband Bo's crossroads to bestie Katie M's brutal truth bombs

1:08:26Ronnie Karam: to constant sister strife. Expect tons of inner circle shade. Amid the dreams, the drama, and the dark passenger, she's willing to not just challenge the status quo, but change all the rules.

1:08:40Ben Mandelker: Don't miss one of reality TV's most iconic voices on her terms. Prepare yourself for the good, the bad, and the Stassi. Watch the new series House of Stassi. New episodes Wednesdays on Freeform and streaming on Hulu.