#3489 The Valley S3E19 Part Two: Hort Feelins and Short Dealins

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1:20Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

1:37Ben Mandelker: All right. Well, after allegedly sending a cease and desist letter to Michelle, a threatening legal action, because anyone who spoke about her publicly about her, and then finally matching with the dragon and flying all over Westeros, Jessie's girlfriend, Lacey, got in the mix this year. And this time, she actually signed a release and agreed to be filmed. Let's welcome Lacey.

1:59Ronnie Karam: okay so here comes lacy uh i was surprised by a lot of this segment that she had so much stuff with michelle michelle had so much resentment towards lacy i thought they were in a better

2:14Ben Mandelker: place but i mean that's just the way these these uh reunions go which is that um basically everyone like grows and evolves and like makes nice over the course of the season but then everyone watches the season and gets mad all over again and then the reunion they come in furious at each other

2:35Ronnie Karam: yeah um so michelle on lacy being cast she felt like well i did not even know that she was gumming until actual filming and so i felt like i was put on the spot but i did the best i could okay and regarding the party last year that Lacey came to. What's that restaurant called? Yeah, Yamashiro. Yamashiro. Michelle, we saw some self-footage of an argument that you had with Lacey. What was that argument about? Oh, the best thing that happened last season and wasn't even on camera. This end fight with Lacey.

3:09Ben Mandelker: Damn it. I know. Thank you, Jasmine, for getting that one brief clip. So Michelle's like, well, you only saw a very small clip out of everything that actually happened. And in that moment, sitting in the bar with Brittany and Sheena. I had been drinking and stuff, and she came up to me, and she wanted to have a conversation, and I said, this is not the time or the place. I mean, why would you have a conversation at a place like a bar with bar stools and beverages where people come together, and they clearly don't have conversations? This is not the time or the place.

3:44Ronnie Karam: Also, at a party at Yamashiro that you were throwing so everybody could be more peaceful and calm and she gave everybody a crystal member she's like this is your own kind of grizzled where you do find your own spiritual bees then it ends with somebody being like can we make peace and her being like fuck off get out of my personal space bitch i'm about to joke you with some amethyst exactly but that being said i actually totally

4:10Ben Mandelker: am on team michelle for that situation because um all that legal stuff or whatever but also like it was their show and it's like oh lacy doesn't want to shoot lacy doesn't want to shoot but then she comes to the she comes to the set anyway and it's just like i would also especially going through that fresh divorce dealing with jesse even if it is misdirected rage at jesse i say like jesse should not have brought lacy there like you know what so i agree i was team michelle

4:36Ronnie Karam: on this 100 yeah i was too um and i agree with you i think that this season lacy has seemed pretty nice. I mean, even if she's faking it, she does a pretty good job of being like, okay, yes, I'm dating Jesse, but that doesn't mean we have to be enemies. And Jesse is an asshole. And I hear everything that you're saying. But I think that even with somebody being like that, the fact that they're still standing by Jesse, who is still such a monster, just listen to everything he's saying during this reunion. Like, my, she heart, my daughter was heartbroken by this and mad michelle introducing men yeah who knows god knows how many men she's been dating introducing to my daughter so I think at some point it's like okay you're nice but you're also standing

5:25Ben Mandelker: by and supporting this so yeah I um I thought Lacey was gonna be more like um Ali the girlfriend on McBee Dynasty like this big fake like here for TV she's not now that she's not decided she'll be on the show she's gonna be like over the top and mugging for camera time and she's actually like not like that at all i think she's been a really pleasant surprise um and uh but i feel like i don't know i really sided with a lot of michelle's rage i feel like jesse is a manipulator i feel like michelle is just like just trying to get through this divorce she's willing to pay nearly four hundred thousand dollars to just put this all behind her you know and like i think lacy is being actually pretty chill and pretty nice but at this point but like i understand michelle's like i just don't want to see either of you right now like she needs to heal michelle needs to go away and heal she needs to go away date someone like unreasonably famous that doesn't make sense the context of the show and then come back uh hopefully in one piece and be okay and be ready to move on but like i understand it's like you can't just like i just i feel like i understand michelle's frustration that like you're forcing lacy down my throat and the worst part is that she's actually okay and now i'm really now i look like the real asshole in this situation and you're the asshole but now i look like the asshole because i'm not accepting lacy like fuck you fuck both of you guys for putting me in this position where i have to be the bad guy now

6:59Ronnie Karam: yeah good points um and i love the messiness of jasmine just pulling out her phone like oh really you're not gonna shoot there's a fight i'll shoot it i'll get it i'll get it she shoots the whole thing and lacy says why did you make jasmine delete the clip michelle and she's like because i was yelling in it she's like yeah but every other person involved like sheena britney both of them reached out to me and they were like sorry we're wrong but you've been the only one who's not accountable and i didn't come in screaming at you yeah but you came into her workplace on the season finale with cameras everywhere at jesse's behest so yeah i'm kind of with you it's like it's like

7:43Ben Mandelker: beyonce uh to ally larder in that movie obsessed like you came into my house so britney is like um um she's like well i just remember banging between you guys and you got like it was like a lot you know and lacy yeah lacy's just like you know i i want to be on the mom's side you know etc etc etc and michelle's like it's just really hard to do that the next day you know you called me and you said you told me exactly how our relationship was going to be lacy's like no i didn't she's like yes you did you and andy's like did you threaten her and she's like i just you know i sent her a season desist months prior and I stand by my season desist.

8:25Ben Mandelker: She was like, and that's our problem. The next day you yelled at me on the phone and you said, this is how it's going to be. Okay. Aaron was listening. It was on speaker. He was like, she sounds like she'll be hot in 10 years. And I was like, quiet Aaron.

8:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Lacey's like, I wasn't yelling. You yell. I don't yell. And she's like, yeah, well you said, if you do not do what I say, I will have to zoo you and I will win because i have all this money in the world and she's like no that's that's not what i said which i kind of believe lacy i mean watching the watching their accounts i believe lacy's version of this one just watching how they both act because michelle's like we weren't there was no yelling at this party what are you even talking about britney was everybody yelling she's like well i'll just remember having to like stand between you two so so you know like a fight wouldn't break out so it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial this episode is supported by fx's the shards a seductive drama from executive producer ryan murphy set in 1980s

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11:42Ronnie Karam: And it's like, no, like, I'm not ready to, like, have some peaceful kumbaya situation with you, lady.

11:48Ben Mandelker: And it's not going to be on your terms. It's going to be on my terms. So Andy's like, Michelle, you said that Lacey is unstable and chaotic. Do you still believe this? She's like, I do. And Lacey's like, your perception of me, like to be completely frank, means nothing. Oh, who's Frank? What is this? We're talking about Frank Truman. It's like, well, the only person you've been chaotic has been you and you're projecting and you project because you hate your husband. And I get it. I hate your husband too. We all do. I don't know. He's a good lay. So you project because you're mad at your life and your own finances, which is basically Sutton Strack line.

12:26Ronnie Karam: yeah this was like a much calmer way of a sudden stride this was not this wasn't great boo boo on that one you're projecting because you're mad at your own life and your own finances your husband your boyfriend is part of the reason those finances suck lady yeah did you not hear the three hundred thousand dollar loan part yeah so bringing that is a low i think so she's like you know and you have every and michelle's like i'm not mad at my life i love my life and she's like well you do now because like you have a new fabulous rich boyfriend basically she says you have a new fabulous thing but i think she meant like oh yeah now you're great because you're marrying a rich guy and she's uh she's like you met him in february and you started having zegs with him in february 2024 three months after our divorce and i went back and reading text messages.

13:17Ronnie Karam: It was so dramatic how he treated me. And Lacey's like, yeah, but him treating you bad doesn't give you a free pass to attack me and lie about me and call me a bitch on camera and make up things about me and my ex.

13:30Ben Mandelker: She's like, well, I do think that behind cameras you are a bitch to me. And she's like, well, you're lying to be a victim. I am not lying, and that's why I get triggered. She's like, alright, how many seasoned assists have you sent in your lifetime, Lacey? She's like, one. okay wonder that's the only cease and desist laws like that's the only cease and desist you've ever sensed oh my god on my life in my life sorry ben what were you saying on my life in my life 50 cent making a quick 50 cent joke because why not

14:03Ronnie Karam: um yeah on my life in my life and michelle's like now we know who the liar is you and lace Like, you guys, you know, I'm getting gaslit for two years and I'm the weirdo for not wanting to film. I date a guy for six weeks. Your boyfriend filmed and he's not even here. Like, your boyfriend's not even here. So you got your daughter attached to someone and filmed with him. So, and that guy's not even still around. So why am I getting shit for being on the scene? I don't care.

14:32Ben Mandelker: I didn't want you to film. What I had a problem with is that you're saying that I couldn't say anything and you're the one trying to sue me. It's so hard to reason with somebody When you're like just like We're just like never gonna see eye to eye Well we won't and you know why Because you called me a liar And I don't appreciate people who yell at me Behind closed doors

14:54Ronnie Karam: I didn't though Yes you did Well I got the impression you guys were getting along God that was pretty boring But so was this I'm so Conflicted

15:07Ben Mandelker: And Michelle yeah good there's like this they started talking about there was like how the day that lacy met isabella and so lacy says oh it's the day she met michelle she brought isabella over a basket for valentine's day from her daughter's ballet group and she had no idea that there was a rule about not meeting people and so michelle found out michelle was screaming in front of the house and had like a scene in the street where she was throwing stuff in the middle of the road or whatever and michelle you know michelle michelle doesn't exactly deny it but she's like no i was

15:39Ronnie Karam: angry not with she's like why are you talking about that one day i mean i love when i do love

15:46Ben Mandelker: when michelle just like flies off the handle like when she threw that drink at jesse in the like last season out of nowhere it was great um that's assault that's assault on danny bucco um michelle is like um she's like you know you're talking about things that don't matter And so they're just going back and forth about this, like this. This is bad because she's like, you were in the house.

16:08Ronnie Karam: I wasn't even talking to you. I was angry at Jesse. It had nothing to do with you. And she's like, okay, well, you, were you screaming in the middle of the street? And was your daughter crying? And did your neighbors want to call the police? Oh God. This is like culminates with Lacey. I don't like this coming from Lacey and I've liked her for most of the season, but this is taking someone like in their fresh divorce like pain and and then using that stuff against them on

16:36Ben Mandelker: national tv i don't like that so lacy is like um you know by the way and you texted me four separate occasions that i have saying you were going to ruin my life and expose me and michelle's like i never sent that the rest of the cast like yeah you did we've seen the text she's like i I never said that. They're like, yeah, you texted her. You said you're going to ruin her life.

17:01Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Jasmine's like, well, some of the people have seen the text. I'm just telling you. You might not want to lie about that one because we've seen the text, Michelle. And Lacey's like, just admit it. Just set yourself free. And she's like, oh, my God. Well, I don't know why you're mad at, like, stupid things from the past, Michelle. Oh, my God. you're not doing yourself any favors either oh my god and she's like you know what like you know

17:30Ben Mandelker: like she's like why can't you just be like you know what i was mad i was going to end of divorce i was crazy i hate you and then i'd be like okay good thanks you got it out like i understand it but you're like she's basically mad that michelle's not being like honest with the situation right now she's like but i saw your anger when you were throwing shit in the road i mean i'm a mom too And I have to co-parent and it's hard and I hate it. And I will always take your side as a mom. And you know, I said it and it's literally on camera in the office of my house. Okay. So stop lying. It's got cameras everywhere.

18:03Ben Mandelker: You have, yeah. Lala's like, you have a lot of footage.

18:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I mean, look, Michelle probably could just say, listen, I was going through a rough time. I'm sorry. I had nothing to do with you. I was just so furious and yes, I lost it. But it's also not cool for Lacey to bring up like your darkest moments from off camera in a relationship with Jesse of all people. Like, you know who Jesse is. Yeah. It's just all gross.

18:29Ben Mandelker: It's all kind of low. It's a little, it's sort of like veering on concern trolling. I think it's just like Michelle right now is like a cat. Okay. You just have to put your hand down and wait for the cat to come to you. But like, if you're trying to chase that cat, it's going to run away and maybe claw you. Like, it's not like, like Lacey, I understand that she's just trying to keep things smooth. I think she just has to just drop it and let Michelle just do it. Because I think it's probably really annoying for Michelle that there's someone that hears saying like, we could be friends, whatever.

18:58Ben Mandelker: It's like, it's someone telling her how to feel or who she should be friends with. And Michelle just doesn't want to hear it. Like, is she just like Lacey is just an extension of Jesse right now. And I don't think that Michelle can get past that at the moment, nor does she have to until she's ready to.

19:13Ronnie Karam: especially with the added um element that this is a tv show that lacy is coming on to and being like oh here i am shooting with all of your friends basically showing up at your job every day just be nice to me and shoot with me and she's like fuck no she's like i'm under no obligation to be nice to you under none and if anything probably like jesse made my life hell

19:39Ben Mandelker: for the past year while i was also grieving the death of my mother and you could have like stepped in and told him to like to to pull it back in to rein it in and he didn't do that either like i'm sure she's thinking all these things so she's just like i don't want to hear it i don't want to like talk about this like just get out of my face i'm not i don't have to do anything there's no friendship period that needs to be salvaged between you and i you know she just doesn't want it yeah so lacy's

20:06Ronnie Karam: like, you know, you're not accountable. And I called you saying, please let me know if you ever need anything. I'll be on your side. And Michelle's like, well, yes, but then a month into the relationship and Andy interrupts and he's like, well, wait, that is actually nice. Did she say that to you? That sounds so nice. And Lacey's like, yeah. And then she hung up on me and said, this is weird. And then called me back and said, Jesse's an alcoholic and you spent all our money. and I said, well, I'm not going to invalidate you, but I have not personally seen that behavior. I mean, haven't you though?

20:39Ben Mandelker: Did you not just hear Jesse's story about Jax? Like, just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it won't happen. So it'll happen to you eventually. It's actually more of the point. Anywho, so Michelle's like, I decided to never speak to you because it's the best. Well, we're never going to agree on how you treated me. And Lacey's like, I don't think we will. And I'm very happy for you. And I hope you get all of the things that I know you care about. Your monetary gains. I hope you gain to get them. And Michelle's like, so that's why I've chosen to not have you there. And Lacey, I don't like that.

21:18Ben Mandelker: I don't like what you just said, the monetary gains. I don't like that. Yeah.

21:22Ronnie Karam: Lacey just stays so calm at all times. But the stuff she's saying is low. is so low and it's got to be so infuriating to fight with somebody like that and lacy's like well i don't like you guys saying i'm paying for jesse for the past six months you know what misogyny is deep in you guys good luck with that good luck with that but aren't you

21:47Ronnie Karam: yeah is jesse paying for himself suddenly what has jesse been like what is what is jesse is Does Jesse, is Jesse working? Like, I know he's a real estate person, but has he been selling? I don't know. I don't know that Lacey's not supporting that guy. I'm sorry, but we've all seen Jesse on TV be an asshole now for three years. So for you to be like, oh, my God, you guys, suggesting that I'm supporting Jesse. Well, yeah, we know that his plot line is getting an illegal, getting all this money, spending it without telling Michelle, and then taking his entire family on a like a three-week trip to europe or something michelle said on the after show with all of that money and then making her pay half of it back on camera in order to sign divorce papers i mean come on lacy it's not like it's just coming out of everybody's misogyny that it looks like this guy is using you for your money yeah so now andy's asking um

22:44Ben Mandelker: um uh michelle if she thinks that jesse's relationships or friendships are performative um and zach will be like can i just jump in here i feel like me and kristen specifically told jesse to lay off like michelle for being like performative this season and i think they like both need to like lay off that because like i think they're both like changes individuals like jesse and i like literally facetime all the time actually no he facetimes me more and i'm like where's my monster fridge can you help me and he's like no i can't and it's like borderline harassing but like we talk about it all the time so to say it's like performative i mean he's like doing

23:16Ronnie Karam: oscar-worthy of performative and um andy's like jesse's like andy you know the performative may not be the right word but i've known michelle for 12 years but you don't know me you don't know me at all you don't even know what kind of music i like and um that's crazy how can he not what know what kind of music you like and i was like dr dre dre so then uh jesse's like you

23:46Ben Mandelker: admitted to me in mexico at a bar before we went to britney's room you said to me i love everyone too but you have to hate them and that's what i've been trying to to to teach michelle um so lacy is like yeah you did say that but i don't think it was coaching but you did say it um so this is back and forth about this and lala is like i've got to teach because he's accusing lala of saying that to uh michelle he's saying that like lala was telling michelle how to act to people and lala's like i don't i didn't tell her to hate everybody like what are you talking

24:24Ronnie Karam: about um so then we go over to hannah from hannerton says jasmine you've thrown more shade and confessionals into your friends faces what's up with that and she's like well i mean like i mean i get shut down by this group all the time so like in confessionals like that's a good spot for me to talk shit about people okay so thanks for your thanks for your question hannerton from Hannah whatever.

24:52Ben Mandelker: Hannah from Vermont. I love that. That's like two weeks in a row where the questioner has been shaded by the person because last week it was like Lindsay being like, well, whoever from wherever you are, get out my face. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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27:24Ben Mandelker: now uh we're back from a commercial break again and um and it's like welcome back for the past few years christen and jen have been mortal enemies and this year their relationship was stuck in the weeds before filming even started even a thc laced peace pipe couldn't take the problem to bother not friends anymore everyone so janet well why so why do you think that they can't

27:50Ronnie Karam: well you guys can't be friends kristen well kristen said something at bravo janet yeah will be the next couple divorced yeah so that's like oh my god how dare she and janet and jason are just like oh my God, I can't believe someone would say that about us. She's like, oh, yeah, I was just like, I was asked a question. I don't like Janet. So I just said Janet. Sorry, it was shady. And Jason's like, yeah, you don't like it. You don't like us. That's why you said it. She's like, yeah, pretty much. Okay, well, Janet, how did that make you feel? She's like, well, I mean, honestly, I was happy because the couples that Kristen supports don't normally end up together.

28:30Ben Mandelker: there yeah jesse's like well she didn't support michelle and i in season one very well and jason's like i mean yeah i mean actually if you go through the list yeah it actually like pans out because like well i don't support couples i support my friends and whatever makes them happy and you were holding on to that line weren't you you were really holding on to that you were like i'm ready to bring this line out at the reunion it's jason's like uh actually i hadn't heard that line so oh

28:53Ronnie Karam: God, Jason. Okay, Jason's just going to sit there like, that's what makes me crazy about this show too, when the couples are like, yeah, honey, you get them. You get them, honey. It's like, oh, geez, it's annoying. Just let people have their own individual fights. Like, I didn't hear it. Janet never said that. I don't really understand the line. The couples that Kristen supports don't usually end up together. What is she talking about? Because she supports Danny and Nia and they're still together. And Janet and Jason were supporting britney and jacks until the very very very very end yeah i don't know i think janet was just

29:29Ben Mandelker: trying to be like flippant trying to be like sassy and it did sort of sound like it was a either either just an off-the-cuff dumb line or just poorly planned other line i don't know so um uh andy's like well zach at britney's house just before san diego you said the words don't didn't mean much were you you were looking for actions so what actions were you looking for from janet and zach's like um all i want is like over a period of time slowly let's build that relationship back instead of like over like the top performative like not to use that word but like sorry it is what it is like she tends to like ingratiate herself by either giving gifts or doing something and it's like a manipulative tactic and like instead of just being like yourself it's like you have to do that like constantly and i just love the idea of like zach being anti over the top performative when like everyone on this show is so over the top you got like britney walking around with giant sacks of like goo coming out of her body you have zach himself getting bonked in the head with a traffic light and going to a gay bar with a rapping like everyone is so over the top on this show with everything that they do it's true but it's also kind of

30:43Ronnie Karam: annoying that everybody acts like what Zach is saying is so crazy. Like, why don't you like Janet? Well, she, because she came in, she didn't like anybody. She didn't like any of us last year. She was saying that I was like going to harm her baby, you know, like with the stalking thing, like I'm afraid to have him in my baby moon or all this other stuff. And then the next season she comes in, she's like, I'm going to make up with everybody. Here's the apology. I mean, it does come off as super fake it's like nobody wants to shoot with you so you're going to make an effort to be nice to everybody on the show however you are on a reality show and these are about people fighting and then making up and shooting together and then fighting again later so when it becomes completely impossible you know it's like your side zach's side zach kristin nia they're like we're gonna do the classic housewives icing somebody out yeah but you can't do that you know we've talked about this before you can't do that if they still have half the cast not icing them out so at some point somebody's got to go so coming up with all this like well you know her sorry is me nothing because they're just performative and manipulative because she wants to shoot well yeah you're on a tv show they have to do it at some point you guys just got to do it

32:00Ben Mandelker: i think janet is very clunky in how she ingratiates herself with people i think she is like she is like like okay we're gonna be friends we're gonna be friends we're gonna be friends you want to come over you want to play a pizza box or whatever like she's clunky you know but i think zach is also clunky in how he forgives i think they're just like two clunky people and i think that like because there's also a part of me that says you guys had a conversation that you're going to be friends again so just like be friends you know it's like it's a very kind of shannon adore to be like well i well just because i forgave tamra doesn't mean that we're friends overnight and then you have to sit through like social interaction over social interaction where they're just totally disconnected like wait i thought we were friends no not yet you're you're you're not in jail but you're like in your halfway house now so it's like this inching and so i do think it's realistic that if a friendship suffers a major setback like a fight it doesn't come back to the the true intensity it was right away but i also do think that like once you have a conversation of like hey let's be friends again like you know i do think you sort of have to go at i think he did though but janet's also she's rushing it she's rushing it too much she needs to sort of she just she just needs to like chill out a little bit trust the process

33:15Ronnie Karam: as much as they're acting like zach would like this they're acting like zach wouldn't accept an apology or anything like that but he did and he was being nice but then they had a problem with him because kristen kristen and nia didn't like that he was jumping back on the janet train but then janet and that side was like well you know then why are you like why are we not best friends again and then why are you letting kristen and nia manipulate you he's like i'm but i am trying to be friendly with you again so it's like if he does accept her apology and then he's nice to her in public settings they're like oh they immediately start shit talking kristin and ian saying he's being manipulated and this and that which i don't even know that they're wrong on that but it's not like he didn't accept the apology he did you guys can't accept that he accepted the apology it's like he didn't accept it enough to your liking it's like he didn't start calling you every day he did accept the apology and moved on and you guys still have a problem

34:12Ben Mandelker: with it he's really the bell of the ball i mean look at this like the factions are are fighting over him good for zach yeah um uh i think in a real in a real world setting they would probably just like it would come together naturally but like on a reality show i think everything is warped because you're forced to spend time with people you're not ready to spend time with and you're also you have people weighing in about the state of your friendship all the time from all different angles and it's a pain in the ass i think ultimately my my judgment is janet has to cool her jets a little bit zach has to has to sort of like chill out a little bit in terms like he should be slightly more open as long as he said he wants to be friends he should like not listen to what kristen and nia have to say about it tune out the noise and you guys can focus on it next season and you guys can come together or not come together yeah in reality these people just

35:07Ronnie Karam: wouldn't hang out uh so zach basically it's like the whole are christian are you know are you being manipulated by danny and nia not to be friends and zach is saying no it's not true even at jasmine's wedding jason was like oh i guess you pitched the wrong couple that you thought would be fan favorites this season whoops and uh he's like number one i don't think like that and anyone that's my actual friend who knows me knows i do not care what the fans think and janet's like

35:37Ben Mandelker: yeah are you kidding me janet you don't you don't know him at all then and zach is like if anything i'm definitely an engine and like not a wagon so okay i don't that's what an adorable little metaphor he just threw it there he's like i choo choo choos me i'm a horse not a cart

36:06Ronnie Karam: i'm a i'm a dining cart what can i say um so then now a christian is asked why she's going so hard on janet when she was cancelled and she had to work herself back from getting so much fan backlash and you know going back to vanderpump rules she slept with jacks and just season one of the valley she revealed michelle was having an affair and you want everyone to forgive and forget so why can't you do the same for janet and she's like um i want to see evolution not fake

36:37Ben Mandelker: change yeah that's what i want to really see you know because i put in a lot of work especially during the vanderpump days and over a year and a half with no friendships and i went to therapy and i proved myself over time with actions that stassi katie and everyone decided on their own time to let me back in and caca and i never forced it on anybody and they saw evolution and i don't see that with you like i've been waiting to see that but like i just don't see it where are your fleetwood mac albums answer me that even just a stevie nicks solo album i'll be happy with that

37:09Ronnie Karam: but i see none of it yeah i mean kristen does have a point as far as vanderpump rules when she was on the outs and they were like oh hell no no no no no no fucking kristen for me it did take a long time, but, you know, A, that was a decade ago, and B, just because you had to go through it doesn't mean everybody else has to go through it. It's very much like, I walked through the snow for 10 miles to go to school. You're lucky to have a bus. I'm like, okay. So Lala's like, yeah, but nobody gives Janet a chance. I think that's the problem. And Jason's like, yeah, well, she gives a gift, and, like, it's manipulative, apparently.

37:50Ronnie Karam: Like, Janet can't even give a gift to anyone.

37:53Ben Mandelker: well jason it's been a few years of janet taking heat from several people in the group with this audience it must be stressful on you would you like me to give you a massage after the show and jason's like well i think that like going into season three it really like truly felt like people were thinking like you know if i want to score like uh running points with the audience like it's better to be like an adversary adversarial role with janet uh like you just like refuse to actually like make up and move forward janet and you guys did like make up on camera this past season and say like hey we're gonna move forward so you guys were like having jokes in this train and everything and then like things go into a better place and then like you would get like closed and fully pull away and say like actually screw janet i mean okay so then janet's like well

38:32Ronnie Karam: and then talk about me talk about me in group chats apparently god like janet doesn't have multiple group chats talking about everybody this cast is so hypocritical they all make me crazy they all make me crazy so lacy's like can i say one thing because i know i'm a plus one and i don't even go here but i disagree like i think that he loves janet deep down and like they have so much history and so much emotions and he's just having an emotional response and i don't think it's because he cares what Barbara and Virginia from Minnesota think.

39:13Ben Mandelker: All right. Okay, thank you, Lacey, for that insight. Well, before San Diego, Lacey told Chris and Ania at the costume shop that every issue she's ever had with Michelle is driven by Janet. So how about that, Lacey? Lacey's like, no, I didn't just say Janet. They cut that. I said a lot of different people's names, like Michelle, Michelle and Janet, Michelle and Janet and Michelle, Michelle, Janet, Michelle, Janet, Janet, Janet, Michelle. So a lot of people's names. So Jason's.

39:38Ronnie Karam: And then comes the bus to run over Sheena. Jason's like, yeah, Sheena wasn't here to film. So I didn't say her name. And I was like, yeah, a lot of the things Lacey said I was doing were things that Sheena was doing. Like looking her up and calling mutual friends and doing all of that. Yeah, the Baywatch thing. By the way, who was the Baywatch guy you were hooking up with? I just want to know if I've jerked off to their picture on Instagram.

40:02Ben Mandelker: Which one was it? and Lacey's like I have a season to say what no I'm being facetious Andy but someone tell me what it is was it another David Chokichi or Charvet come on let me know and she's like no it's private so Kristen and he's like they say that David Hasselhoff

40:20Ronnie Karam: did block her which is hilarious she's like yeah his wife blocked me like I was his wife blocked me too I was really upset about it

40:29Ben Mandelker: oh my goodness so So Chris, if you had to distill it down, because I know there was a moment where Lala said she didn't get where you got the hate for Jenna came from. And Chris is like, it's not hate. It's just disdain. Okay, disdain. Thanks for clarifying that. Much better knowing it's just disdain and not hate. Can you share? Does it boil down to one thing? And she's like, no, it's not one thing. No, it's just a lot of things. and the way that she treated zach um who's like my rider fucking die and janet's like well what have i done to zach i'm like janet you just you you did you disinvited him from the first ever group trip the only gay guy in the group you disinvited him and then you made it sound like he was going to come and stab you in the middle of the night and so like i think that's like a fair thing for him to hold a bit of a grudge about yeah and it's not like zach was so mr innocent

41:25Ronnie Karam: with Janet either. It's just Janet's like, what? What have I ever done to Zach? Okay. Okay. And he's like, oh my God, you just have to get that one last dig. It's like, but I want an example though. And he's like, you don't let things go. And all of this like, yeah, but that's you too, Zach. Okay. Well, maybe you're the same person. Wow. Zach and Janet, exactly the same.

41:51Ben Mandelker: They kind of are. I mean, the thing is this also like Janet's gaze are, like pink crocs right and zach is a monster fridge mourning a monster fridge gay and that's difficult i think i think like like having those different types of gays orbiting the same lady that's that's that's it doesn't it's like the the center doesn't hold so i understand why

42:15Ronnie Karam: this is ultimately never going to come back together um yeah and the other her real life gays seem to be the yes gays you know it's like yes yes janet you're so right yes girl oh my god they are terrible you know like that i think she does a podcast with one but yeah they're like yes gays and i think zach is not gonna always be a yes monster fridge gay um which is a very specific kind yeah um so what else is resolved that you can get out right now she's like i have nothing else i've moved on i've moved on i mean i even have new hair and i've tried and i'm here when you're ready okay the latest thing is zach went on what show was he on he was i'm so sorry i just read about about it on vanderpod recaps on instagram so thank you for your service as usual but he was talking about how janet just disinvited him to his her birthday party she's having a big birthday party in la and he was invited but then she disinvited him and she's like i can't have somebody who's talked shit about me be at my birthday party zach and he's like oh god you you're having like a 200 person influencer party you've invited you know everybody in town like stop acting like it's some special but they're still playing these little things with each other like oh really well then you can't come to my birthday oh yes um by the way we that was as good

43:43Ben Mandelker: of time as ever so we have to give a special special you know you know shout out to zach for actually doing something very very cool some would even say heroic which is that he wore an ice out pin to the reunion and i really really respect that and that was very cool that he did that

44:00Ronnie Karam: yeah he wore a full ice out suit to the crappies didn't he that's right didn't it say like ice on the front and out on the back or something like that that's right i i nearly forgot about that that's really that's that's super super cool that he did that so um danny how do we get to danny here so they're like oh my god are janet and zach gonna hug now oh this is make outs and so while

44:26Ben Mandelker: so jan and zach have this kind of like light hug and danny's like what is happening i don't get it watch happening and he's like reunions are forgetting to better places with people daniel Daniel, can you look at me? Can you look at your wife? We're going to a better place. Come back, Daniel. Come back.

44:47Ronnie Karam: Now you have to get your phone out and follow me, Zach. So welcome back. Now Brittany at lunch got frustrated with Zach because she wasn't allowed to have a different opinion. in no she got they got in a fight because britney started harping on him about how mean he is to

45:08Ben Mandelker: janet for three years i'm like i love zach he's my brother i would talk about all the stuff that's happened but like whenever like whenever i say that that dinner it's because there just been like a lot of times where like i just really screamed at he like really screamed at me and like really yelled at me and like he had never known that before we like started filming and stuff like that so that's like what i meant by that like it's just like so many are my feelings and so Zach you don't know what I've been through you don't know what I'm going through right now um okay even when we're like not at 100 like we're at 100 like I'm never like not her sis I mean like she's not my sister I mean like you know what I'm saying like we're like family okay but like when she says like I'm like not Kentucky Zach I'm like what part of me crying over a monster refrigerator says I'm not Kentucky Zach okay I think there's like parts where like because I walked on eggshells for like a lot of the things and like you know or i get i let a lot of things like go that did like hurt me like for instance like her and jack's relationship i think i speak up a little bit more to defend myself because i realize i'm on a tv show and i need to speak up so like i don't know i think that can sometimes come off different

46:09Ronnie Karam: wrap it up jesus christ just say we're always close even when we're not and uh she's like well i can't say nothing i'm always the one getting talked over no it's because i have an opinion yeah but i get yelled at and even on the other side of the room i get yelled at i didn't do nothing i'm going through a lot right now and he's like well i have an opinion and you have an opinion so like unlike me and jasmine who were always on different pages like it's a new thing for our friendship you know and you know that's rocky for britney she's not used to me having an

46:42Ben Mandelker: opinion i just want to be able to have those talks with you and like have those disagreements without feeling like i can't like my my point has been like compelling like i'm not allowed to express myself because that like that did happen like many times it's like okay cool are we done with this okay chris you told britney and lala that nia was the one that was guilt tripping zach for being friendly with janet but then like when yes you said no you denied it what's going on chris is like well i watched it and i don't know if i was like worked up or seeing red or like not hearing or i don't know because like i know i said it but like i don't know why i said it okay okay way to be accountable

47:26Ronnie Karam: um so britney's like yeah well that moment like kristen turned to me and i was like what because i was telling the truth and then exactly christian do you know how much i've been through you know like suddenly i'm wrong and i just really hurt my really hurt my feelings because a lot happened you know and it showed what was actually said i wasn't lying okay and um We know. She just admitted it. She's like, why am I constantly the one that's got fingers pointing at whenever I'm not even doing nothing? Oh, for Christ. Well, you haven't had my bike. I'm in the car over.

47:59Ben Mandelker: I'm in the back of your back of your back. I'm in our head. Andy's like, okay, we're going to break for lunch because I don't want to hear about you two. He's like, well, I know, but I had a conversation with you and we moved past that. So what else have I done that was like not, I didn't have your back. Come on now. And Andy's like, okay, we're going to, it's lunch. lunch time lunch lunch lunch oh oh andy right when you get me started you just got me started

48:24Ronnie Karam: uh so now it's time for lunch but don't worry there will be two more weeks

48:31Ben Mandelker: of this well next week will be well normally i would say next week will be kristen and luke and the baby but is next week going to be danny and nia because they're yeah i think it's gonna be kristen and luke next week and part three is going to be danny and nia and getting all into that because that's what we're really waiting for danny that was the whole season entire hour yeah but like yeah he didn't he he's fielded not a single question except for how is he doing today but it's gonna come i think it'll be part three and he was still a little asshole like two people

49:07Ronnie Karam: make up and he's like, what? What is happening? I'm a good person. Here's a picture of Danny just to leave you guys with. Leave you on a positive note. Here's Danny.

49:20Ben Mandelker: I'm a good person.

49:22Ronnie Karam: Sorry, I forgot to take that down before.

49:24Ben Mandelker: I'm a good person.

49:26Ronnie Karam: All right, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. Fun times. We will be back a little later with some Next Gen NYC. We are not covering London this week. They air too London's in a row and we're just at capacity. It is a really good show though. If you guys aren't watching Real Housewives of London, check it out. Also, we've got OC coming up this week and Sunday night is the start of Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip roaring 20th anniversary. It's a lot to watch. Keep up with it. We love you guys. Bye. Bye.

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