#3500 RHOC S20E06 Part One: Ain’t No Buddy Loves Me Better

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1:50Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo we just love to talk about uh today we are talking about the real housewives of orange county i'm ben mandelker and joining me today on a very special reconnaissance mission going into the heart of this show it's the one and only ronnie karam broadcasting remotely from where orange is where you say orange county

2:20i'm in uh oh i was thinking i was like do i call it anaheim or orange county i'm at disneyland

2:28Ben Mandelker: i was gonna say you're in orange county you're in the heart of orange county um how's it going down there like good i went last night to the beach with my family and looked at all the people passing by it's just like the beginning of one of these shows oh beautiful um well um do let us know if you happen to see jen pedranti walking by or tamra saw a lot of jen pedrantes yeah trust a lot of them i saw about 30 jim pedrantes it's funny how when you're here you're like is that jen pedranti is that jen pedranti is that carmella is that carmella because there's a lot of you know similar i think everybody's just so in shape and like done up and you know like the they're all in their little skin suits walking on the beach.

3:15They're bright pink skin suits. And it really is like the opening of Orange County. People playing volleyball, skateboarding, skateboarding by. A lot of people doing physical activities. Their skin tight clothes. It's very, I'm glad they're comfortable.

3:31Ben Mandelker: Yes, I'm glad they're comfortable as they walk along the beach with my husband. All those sluts. um anyway my husband a lot of dogs and strollers you know okay this is one thing i really like where they're like we're rich and my dog's not gonna walk uh well in about a week and change ronnie and i are both doing two separate speaking engagements so you should come see us if you're in either of the respective cities ronnie's gonna be up in the bay area uh doing a cruise with uh daisy and hannah from below deck so go join that um you can get the tickets for that on daisy and hannah's instagram pages with their link in bio i'm gonna be here in la and this by the way same night august 23rd uh i'm gonna be in la uh in conversation with martin sorge um who is the author of great bakes a cookbook and that's gonna be at friends and family in hollywood um and tickets for that are uh go to the now serving website for the cookbook shop in los angeles both events will be great so you need to have like a bravo moment a below deck bravo moment with with uh ronnie and and the stews or you can uh have a baking moment with uh me and martin and martin won one of the great great american baking shows which is really cool so come join us for that i think it'll be really cool um and then we also have our patreon patreon.com slash watch rockwrapins and we did a trailer trash of the new real housewives of salt lake city trailer this week.

5:05Ben Mandelker: So if you want to see us break it all down, check that out on Patreon. So that's all the good stuff. Now let's get into what I'm, let's see. It's an episode in Vegas. They go to a restaurant called Carmela. So where's this next gen New York city? Oh no, it's orange County. Uh, we're having our second episode in two days that takes place in Vegas at the exact same restaurant so uh bravo's been doing this a lot like we've had like a series of halloween episodes all of a sudden and now we're literally having episode we had mcb dynasty in vegas last week now we have two shows in vegas this week i think it's time to you know let's not let's let's let's mix up some of the options storytelling options here right but yeah um It's pretty good, though, because this is a classic Shannon episode where Shannon is just starting to lose it because I am near an electromagnetic.

6:09It's coming through my bones. It's coming through my teeth. By the way, I am in a hotel and I'm right by the ice machine and the air conditioner here blows like this. So if my sound is a little weird today, that's why. but it's coming through my eardrums it's getting my brain nobody understands me i'm not a crazy

6:26Ben Mandelker: person it's electromagnetic fields affecting your head right now um so uh we start now like there's like a cold open we're at vicky's house and emily vicky and tamra are talking about going to vegas and vicky's like tending to her her wounded knee her she's having a battle over her wounded knee and uh vicky is like oh my god look how bad of this area is just bulging out and emily's like what's your plan to navigate vegas debbie downer yeah back in the vegas it's gonna be way too much for you you should get a helicopter um vicky's like okay i'll put that i'm about to do this tira um vicky hobbling around this entire season is so season 20 of the oc it's just like this is what we are now just it's just this problem hobbling through season 20.

7:23Ben Mandelker: yeah i um i feel so bad i feel bad for everyone who came into the season expecting like a dynamite season um i i just knew it was gonna i knew it was gonna be a tough one. Just the fact that they kept Emily and Gina and Emily and Gina are trying to do this cosplay as if, oh no, we're not a dynamic duo. We are mad at each other, but we also insist that we have to be in the same room. I'm like, stop trying to stop, try to cater to the audience of people feeling we're sick of Emily and Gina by pretending to have a fight. Come on. You guys love each other. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, the whole, like this could be good without Emily and Gina.

8:06I mean, we've been saying that for eight years so it's like tradition now it is tradition look there

8:13Ben Mandelker: have been really good seasons that they've been a part of but i just think that they are i think there are people with herpes who still have good days you know what i mean they're just not they're not i don't know i don't know something's not something's not happening the whole thing down is the point. But yeah, maybe they just need some time to cook. Not Gina and Emily, because, I mean, come on, how long do you need to leave something in the oven before you're like, it's just not working? The turkey is too frozen. But, you know, maybe the season just needs some time to cook. It's only episode six.

8:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I mean, that's absolutely fair. I just think there's some warning signs. I think Carmela, she's sort of giving one season housewife, she's sort of reminding me of Peggy Tannis. and um you know vicky's not really doing anything shannon is overacting the only one who's really the only i think heather and tamar are the ones that are really trying to like make a go at this i think they're also the two most interesting people in the cast at this point i think that like my dear shannon who i love like one of my favorite housewives of all time i think she's just like now gone to catskill shtick like at 100 and um which by the way is not hard to get her out of that we just need someone to um to like like agonize her someone just has to agonize her and then we get peak shannon again she's very easily like brought back to peak but the rest yeah most people have like trigger warnings we have trigger requests you know like can we get a request for shannon let's get some shannon karaoke going here but today we got one you know shannon's back on track for me with her oh i'm i'm you're an elevator nobody is listening that's my favorite thing i was cracking up watching that uh so let's get to it shall we we're um so uh emily still talking about going to vegas they're going through vicky's greatest lines are you gonna whip it up in vegas vicky oh god shut up last week we missed a recap so sorry to everybody for that but uh she kept walking around going who do i gotta whoop it who do i gotta whoop it up to get a who around here she kept saying it over and over like that's her new thing who do i gotta whoop it up by the way of anyone of anyone accusing anyone of being a debbie downer the fact that it comes from Emily.

10:43Ben Mandelker: Normally I would say that's rich, but maybe we'll say that's got a nice bank account. But like, come on, Emily. She is the queen Debbie Downer of this show. Yeah. So Tamara's like, yeah, you're Debbie Downer, Vicky. She's like, oh yeah, I'm Debbie Downer. Look what a good sense of humor I have about that. I'm not Debbie Downer! It's really you, Gina, were like having words like i thought gina was really bad and then i thought you were really bad too and emily's like it was really bad i'm very upset look at me having a plot yeah well it was just really bizarre yeah i was very surprised when gina said i threw her under the bus after i threw her under the bus and we see that because the other thing that happened is uh that what we may have touched on a little bit is that there's this stupid scandal over the christian d 'or clutch that came with a vibrator and uh gina's like that's weird and then emily's like yeah carmella gina says it's really weird and she had a lot of words to say about it she said it about you and then she's like what why am i being accused of throwing anyone under the bus yeah because it started with emily being like why would she give me a purse it's three thousand dollars trying to buy people's friendships who is this and so she's telling Gina all this stuff.

12:09She's like, yeah, who gets someone a big? It's$3 ,000. They're like that plus one to a party. Like nobody even knows her. Nobody even knows her. If Emily had presented

12:19Ben Mandelker: it to Gina, like, oh my God, I love this girl, Carmela. She is so hilarious. She got me a Dior clutch, which is fabulous. And then she put a vibrator in it too. I love a girl who just knows out of a fun time it's just like hilarious you know be like oh my god that's like so classic but clearly she pitched it like the way we saw her pitch it to heather which is she got me a clutch and then there was like a vibrator too and i'm like trying to understand like what is she trying to say and then gina's like yeah that's like weird yeah so last week they got in an argument about it she's like why would you throw me under the bus emily that's crazy and so that's what they're fighting about and it was so bad that emily and gina have not spoken since then it's crazy will orange county ever be the same it might not be so uh now we go over to lymphatic but well there was some other stuff about like that they're gonna go to vegas so okay and then uh now we go to lymphatic by siam and jen and shannon the the name of places in orange county really need to be worked on and we've talked about this for years there are a lot of just oddly named places lymphatic i don't know it sounds like lymphatic drainage or lymphatic massage or lymphatic pleasures lymphatic um solve solutions or something but just lymphatic by cn i would call it lymphatic hurt in there lymphatic curtain think about it everyone lymphatic curtain by cn so jen and shannon are going to get brazilian lymphatic drainage um and uh jen's like oh my god thank you so much for this have shannon have you ever done a brazilian lymphatic and shannon's like is that like in the vagina and then the woman at the front desk is like it's not on that part of the body lady it's called you put brazilian in it what do you and then you're gonna put everyone into like tiny g-strings why don't shade our sweet shannon for making that assumption Well, it's either your vagina or your butt, because there's a Brazilian butt lift, and then there's a Brazilian wax.

14:37That's fair. Could be either end. Either side. Either end. Either side. That's horizontal. Okay, so they go to their room to change, and this is a wacky Shannon scene, like, whoop, whoop, I'm getting plastic on me. I'm going into a red machine. Whoa. Whoa. oh hey i'm here to uh i'm here to get a brazilian

15:07Ben Mandelker: shannon who shannon does not want electro magnetic radiation from elevators getting too close to her head but she's willing to like put herself in like a infrared phone booth and get zapped in all the nether regions she's fine with going into a life-sized like checkout scanner at a grocery store.

15:33Ben Mandelker: So I just want to talk about Vegas a little bit. I've never hosted the girls, so I'm taking them somewhere that I know is fun. As much as Ryan and I have spent in Vegas, we have a lot of good connections. I know I'm going to show these girls a good time. I think even Heather may be impressed. I'm just going to check my notes. I have a star chart here and a fortune cookie. No, the answer is Heather will not be impressed. Heather will not be there is nothing you can do to impress Heather in Las Vegas. You can take her to Grand Lux Cafe and Heather will have already been to Grand Lux restaurant. Yeah, she's Heather's not going to be impressed.

16:11And I'd like when Jen said, oh, we have so many. Ryan has so many connections in Vegas. We know. Didn't he just testify against his gambling ass business partner a couple of years ago?

16:23Ben Mandelker: yeah i don't know if heather's gonna be so impressed that ryan's got the connect at the golden nugget casino like she gets an extra bucket of shrimp cocktail

16:34um so shannon's being wacky and talking about how she used to duct tape herself to look thinner and then we see flashbacks to shannon getting wrapped in duct tape going

16:50Okay. So then Jen, so Shannon's talking about how she's so grateful. It's the Mecca, Orange County, the Mecca of alternative healthy treatments. Heidi, I would like to have a body like my friend, do whatever you need to do. And he's like, that requires a lot of working out. How dare you? How dare you?

17:12Ben Mandelker: You know what I've been through. You know how hard this is for me right now. I'm sorry. I don't understand the request. You don't understand the request? That's probably because you're sleeping with my husband. There I said it. I'm not afraid to say it. I will say the truth because that's what I do. You will all hear the truth. All right. Because Heidi is the virtual assistant inside the infrared machine. So they're like, just tell Heidi what you want. Heidi, I would like peace and happiness and less stress. Yes, I do not know how to do that, ma 'am. Let me play you a song by Adele. Heidi, hello, this is Shannon Bedore here.

17:48Ben Mandelker: Do you have any marketing strategies to get salmon stuffed with cream cheese to a larger audience? Thank you so much. It's all about that bass, that bass, that bass, no trouble. Oh, I'm so sick of that woman. Please stop playing her every time I turn on my virtual assistant.

18:08um still torturing me to this very day years ago I was like why is it every time I turn on Amazon music they're playing some Megan Trainor song I've had it it's still it still happens Megan Trainor still comes on there all the time what is she's still part culture

18:26Ben Mandelker: um Megan Trainor is still yes she's still popping up she I mean she's part of the toxic mom group you know she's in that hillary duff um mandy moore mom group that what's her face rebelled against which i think is hilarious that of course megan trainer is in there um i would like megan trainer to tr what'd you say that crystal rebelled against no that was no no no the toxic ashley um what's her face from high school musical i want to say ashley parker angel but that's not the same Ashley Tisdale. Yeah, yeah. Ashley Tisdale. Now that's someone they should put on one of the Real Housewives because she could like, she could regale everyone with what it's like to be traumatized with friend groups like K.

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21:31Ben Mandelker: Well, let's go to a place called The Goldfinch. And Heather, Gina, and Carmela get drinks. Very good book. I made it about a quarter of the way through before I realized I'm probably too stupid for this book. I never read it. I wish I had because I would make a great literary joke right now. Yeah, so Heather, Gina and Carmella arrive at the Goldfinch and Gina's looking around like, oh my god, I've only been to the Plastic Finch. This is like so nice, Heather. Thanks for inviting me. Oh my god. This is crazy that you're bringing me here because last night, me and Travis, I made dinner for the family and we had Goldfish.

22:10Ben Mandelker: I wish America would finally catch up to Europe. We need purse tools. Okay, Gina, get on all fours. All right. And I guess that's close enough. I love that Heather's only worried about the purse tools. I mean, that could have meant so many things. I wish we would just catch up to Europe. I mean, healthcare. Let's just start there. Environment, food quality. We need purse tools. We need purse tools. America really needs to get it together right now. I need somewhere to put my purse. Okay, thank you. The most depressing. Excuse me. Excuse me, Alfredo. Alfredo, table 13 over here. Is there another floor to this restaurant that has purse stools in it?

22:55Ben Mandelker: We'd like to be at that section. Thank you. Yeah, actually, that's true. Because when I was in Paris with Emily, they got bringing us something to put our purses on. I was like, wow. Do you think that they were just being ironic? were they trash cans they were just probably bringing over chairs to be like let's take all the americans at the same small communal table like please bring this woman something to put her ziplock on top of no seriously is here's a stool for you to put your hefty bag full of laundry on while you eat your muscles.

23:37Heather's like, whoa, well, just keep rubbing that in, that trip to Paris. Let's see your friendship bracelet. Can't wait to see that. Wow. Let's just go over another way I've been left out in this group before we even have appetizers.

23:51Ben Mandelker: Heather Dubrow, this is the saddest thing you've ever done, which is complain about being left out of Emily and Gina's friendship. like you can't go from last season bragging about being next door neighbors with drake to this season saying like wow they just never hang out with me like just let them let them have their economy plus friendship and you just go go hang out with your wine friends again yeah it's just not a relatable storyline but it's very heather like you know who else is thinking god i wish i could get more of gina and emily's relationship nobody nobody's thinking nobody's you're the first person who's ever said that i actually do really like the sentiment behind heather's storyline because i think that's actually a really like universal thing that can happen for some for some of us which is like i'm looking for my buddy i'm looking for my people like i'm in this group but i don't have that person everyone else has that person i think that's actually shockingly relatable that heather has stumbled into the storyline i just don't need to see it applied towards heather and Gina.

24:59Ben Mandelker: Like, apply it to literally anyone else. But not Heather and, I'm sorry, not Emily and Gina. Well, it's rough for Heather because she had that whole season where she's like, Gina, I'm going to take you in. I'm going to buy you a leather jacket. And I'm going to go through your crawl space.

25:20And look at your old wedding dress and talk you into getting rid of it. you know she's she did that whole charity season where she's like look at me normal heather and she still didn't have a friend yeah that's actually that's really sad i actually feel so bad i feel

25:36Ben Mandelker: mad by heather because i actually feel like i can see it all over her and we actually find out that this is this trace is all the way back to her childhood she just wants a best friend And oh, well, money it is. So unfortunately, she's also Heather. She's Heather. Yeah. What did he do? She's so funny. So Heather is really upset that they went to Paris without her. And Heather's like, you're just going to pick a scab over here over and over again. I never want to feel left out. I'm probably never going to get over this Paris thing. Seeing two poor people have a better time in Paris than me, a rich person.

26:23Ben Mandelker: It just doesn't make sense. Heather does not want to go to Paris with these two. I mean, come on. Even on a gas trip, she'd be like, oh, gosh. That's French, by the way. That's French. Emily, are you literally picking a scab right now? Well, you brought it up. Weird, weird bunch. Let me tell you what going to Paris with Emily and Gina is. it's 16 straight hours of them standing at a respectable distance from the Eiffel Tower and taking a picture as if they're poking the top of it. Okay, now you do it. Now you do it. Okay, I want to do it. I want to do it. Wait, I want to do it again. I want to do it again.

27:00Look, if I stand like this and you take a picture, it looks like the Eiffel Tower is picking my nose. You got it?

27:07Ben Mandelker: Hold on. I want to lean like this. It looks like I'm leaning on the Eiffel Tower. Is it like, does the optical illusion work on camera? You know, half their time is spent trying to find him in and out and like TJ Maxx. Yeah. In Paris. And then doing goofy things like Emily eating a crepe, but letting half the crepe dangle off her shin. Like, what is this food? I thought it was like a pancake. Can I get your name for your coffee? Emily, I'm Emily in Paris.

27:42Ben Mandelker: Emily in Paris. coming soon to netflix gina tells us i mean doesn't have to have her own plane like can't she just go anytime she wants to paris maybe we need to go to paris while we're in las vegas that's the sort of comedy you will get when you hire me heather dubrow to be your buddy only lines like that only come from television stars like me heather dubrow because when she said that she really did do uh maybe we need to go to paris in vegas she did her 80s it was like a smile to the camera it was like end of episode created by paul junger wit you know yes so um yeah but by the way what did you guys think of our dinner last night and carmella who's actually been here this entire time is like that was fun so gina's like what are you gonna do with jan by the way uh because the big the other thing that happened last episode is to me a rather humdrum revelation that the women are totally scandalized by which is that um carmella invited jen to like come join her on a project uh because jen's like i'd like to i'm interested in that she's like oh well come on my project i'll show you some stuff and they're like what how could carmella do that what is that she's not even a real developer and jen's not a developer she does yoga and parking lots how could they i think that they were more scandalized by the fact that carmella's like oh yeah she's gonna come help me decorate a house and pick out tiles i love empowering women i'm gonna pay her like twenty thousand dollars that oh yeah there was that like what twenty thousand dollars no that is buying friends now on the other hand i think carmella's just trying to be nice and make friends you know and heather's been on this show trying to make friends with her money for years you know but They did have a problem with Heather doing it too.

29:54Like they did call Heather out too. So I guess fair is fair.

29:57Ben Mandelker: Well, yeah, she probably should not have announced how much she was going to pay Jen. But the truth is with this group, you're sort of screwed because if you don't pay enough, it's like she's taking advantage of Jen. She's only paying Jen$5 ,000. That's like crazy. And then if you pay too much, it's like, oh, my God. She's like trying to buy a friendship. Like you really have to get your pricing down. otherwise they'll always have an issue and the thing is the one who always has an issue with any of this stuff is always going to be Gina everyone else like literally doesn't I don't think that Heather cares I don't think anyone cares and Emily they always care about this because they're the ones they always care about stupid things yeah they're the ones living in like split level you know they're not even split level ranches they're just little generic houses like perfectly nice cute houses but they're not like in mansions so they're the ones who are most sensitive to financial things But they're right that none of this makes sense.

30:51I mean, we're seeing Ryan's house where Jen lives now, and that's a very nice house. But let's think back to Jen's original house where she was living before she moved in with Ryan. It's just not known for her taste. I mean, a couple of weeks ago, the whole plot line was, let's go through Jen's terrible closet of ugly clothes and make fun of how hideous her taste is. And now it's like, you know what? She just should pick out tiles for a house. i trust this woman wearing a feather turtleneck mini micro mini you know but carmella's gonna

31:27Ben Mandelker: teach her things guys it's all like you gotta start somewhere it's called tutelage all right like yeah i think that's you know i think listen quite frankly i think the dior clutch it was too much i think the vibrator i think she was trying to have a gag moment whatever i think twenty thousand dollars is a huge amount to pay to someone who has no experience and possibly terrible taste but i think overall the this is how she's decided to squander her money so just let her squander her money if she's doing it to try to like win over the hearts of these people good for her because if she didn't we already see how hostile they are to her anyway so like i don't know i think they just need to they need to zip it yeah yeah i think she's ultimately being nice listen at least she's trying to be friends she's not immediately doing what a lot of people do which is try to come in and make drama and villainize people you know yeah she's actually pretty good at just waiting for them to fuck with her and because then she's gonna it's like she's gonna eat vicky up at some point right you will i actually in the in the previews for the season that she's gonna let vicky have it which you know she's just waiting she's like here's the rope just keep taking the rope and she you know they they came for her gina came really hard for her last episode and i was a little disappointed that carmella i felt like let her off at the end you know because you know it's like oh well i didn't want you to get mad and i want to get to know you and carmela's like geez okay great well i'm glad you told me i'm really glad you told me i'm like no be like fuck you bitch why are you calling me out shoulder pads so anyway carmela is that's true but she i think she really is slope i'm hoping fingers crossed i'm giving carmella a lot of you know hope here but i hope that she is just slow playing this because there's nobody who grew up well not grew up sorry that's gross to say it that way but there's nobody who came up in the hugh hefner world of like living in all that weird housing with all of those bunnies and doesn't know how to stand up for herself against other women like she's gonna be she's gonna be able to take care of it.

33:38So I'm just waiting for her to handle it.

33:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I would like to see that. So Carmela, they're wondering, so again, Gina asked Carmela what's going on with Jen in this whole situation. And Carmela was like, well, you know, she goes, I thought about getting into real estate. And I said, you should try a project with me and I'll show you what, what to do, what I do. And for her to actually get like, to, you know, to learn the process. Cause I think that'd be kind of like a good value for her. And Heather goes, that makes more sense. Like that's exactly how it was. last episode too she's like i want to just feel something twenty thousand dollar part so heather's like oh that sounds that sounds good phrase like that that sounds great well i am all for women helping women which is why i start every season going after women like the time i went after jen for being born not being able to afford her rent or for the fact that like i started this season questioning whether you're actually a developer because of i for no reason whatsoever so i'm all about that but like carmella does require capital and jen does not have that capital to support that kind of business so now so last episode they were mad that carmella was paying jen 20 000 and now gina thinks that carmella is going to have that gina's get um that jen's gonna have to pay carmella okay well basically they're mad that she they think that they're she's using she's ultimately using Jen because she's saying, okay, I'll give you$20 ,000, but it's for the connect to Ryan who's rich.

35:07And then Ryan can develop projects with her. So they're saying she's kissing ass by trying, she's trying to kiss ass to get money from Ryan. To which I say, Gina, isn't that why you were kissing Heather's ass? I mean, that was literally one of the storylines on the show was you being called out for saying something like, I'm not going to fuck with Heather. like my business is real estate and those are all my connections it's through heather how else am i going to sell something that's not an old person's home condo yeah and gina would probably push back

35:38Ben Mandelker: and saying i never said that i had there's a real friend to which i then say exhibit the uh elizabeth fargus so like you have a history of cozying up to wealthy women uh and by the way you should because that's what you do in real estate so that's the thing that's like if if If Carmella is using Jen to get to Ryan's money. Sure. Like that's what she's doing. Like, that's what, you know, like, I, I just think that like, honestly, Gina's just jealous. Gina is wildly jealous. Now, now Jen is getting money out of this. Emily got a clutch and Gina's got what a cocktail napkin. She's very upset to be left out of this, this cashflow.

36:19It's, it's annoying. And it's like, what are you going to get mad at a customer service line for asking you to press two for spanish no it's what they do it's in their nature

36:29that's exactly she's a salesperson she's gonna go for her lead and that's it it's the classic story of the scorpion and the frog in this case the scorpion has a has a call center and

36:41Ben Mandelker: asks the frog if it needs to speak spanish it's in its nature

36:48yeah so uh tamra's like well i mean actually i kind of agree it shouldn't have real estate license she doesn't have general contact license it's not like jim can just go out and say i'm gonna get a job with the development because i should have come here no but she can go out and start flipping houses if she sees how to flip a house you don't have to have all these licenses

37:09Ben Mandelker: to flip a house maybe she'll be inspired to get her license like are people not allowed to onramp onto a new career so gina's like you know it's kind of like skipping a couple steps and i like also kind of feel like carmella should know that i'm like she's shadowing carmella carmella is being a mentor to her i mean carmella could wind up being a complete you know crook and i hope in fact i hope she does i i would love that but quite frankly too actually this is this is just gina being wildly jealous yeah and saying skipping a couple of steps picking out tiles is literally the first step she gave she gave um she gave jim pedranti the contract to build the freeway overpass that's dangerous it's like picking a tile calm down i know seriously relax yourself So, um, Heather's like, oh, Carmela, what does your boyfriend do?

38:19Ben Mandelker: Is he in television? Is he Drake? And Carmela's like, um, he's a general contractor. Oh, so do you guys work together? So Carmela's like, well, we've worked together in the past. It just doesn't work. We fight and like, I don't want to bring that home to my kids. So I just moved away from my kids so that I can really just not be around the fighting at all. It's great. Yes. And by the way, on something that has never been said to Wendy Malick after wrapping an episode of a TV Land sitcom, I thought you were great last night. It's hard to be at a table with this group and have people firing things at you.

38:56Yeah, and I was like so happy that we had time to talk about things face to face. But like Shannon was really getting on my nerves because she kept saying so much stuff. And Heather's like, oh, yeah, Shannon was very mad at you. There was a running comment. Well, it was Shannon. It was a walking commentary. Shannon, there was a lying down yet still falling over and waving her arms going, commentary, very upset.

39:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I was like, I was like waiting to talk to Carmela and like I wanted to hear from Carmela why she bought the gift. And it was like, Shannon just kept like wanting to speak for her. It was like irritating. fighting Gina you're you came in hot and you basically attacked Carmela at this table and you put her like on blast and Shannon's like defending her and now you're like oh I can't believe Shannon was like was like acting this way after you were the one being the monster at the table and now you're gonna reframe it like oh you and Carmela were just having some civil polite conversation and you just ask some polite questions and just wanted to hear from carmela you're making accusations and you're being downright rude to her and shannon's like don't do that she's my fellow sister from rancho santa rancho and you know and like like i'm sorry i will not accept this reframing yeah ma's gina for you she's like i'm just so innocent shannon's rich shannon really pissed me off like we're trying to get to know her like and i she needs a voice and like shannon was you know trying to take away her voice i'm just standing up for the voiceless women of wonder county against shannon badua women voice killer gina claiming that she's just trying to get to know carmella and she needs to have a voice you are the one talking over carmella you're the one railroading her and you're the one passing like all sorts of judgment on her based off of like just a shred of awareness of her so like i like i'm sorry it's sports you know like someone's like oh they keep pushing me down in soccer and you know there's always like the dad in the group who's like yeah you need to get up and you need to learn to fight that's how gina's being right now you know saying i can't believe that like let her take care of herself she's in a group of girls like she needs to learn how to fight us like off she shouldn't have to like sit down and one of her every single time actually she gets with you guys that you're coming for her you know she didn't do anything to you now this this is the part that i love of recapping these shows we're standing up so hard for carmela like now we don't know anything about carmela and we are probably going to regret all of this in the future but for we're not standing it's not standing up for versus gina and gina sex the most exactly we're not standing up for Carmella were standing against Gina's sanctimonious claims.

41:52Ben Mandelker: How dare you? I stand for women. I stand for women. So Carmella's like, you are 100 % right. It is nice. She was supportive, and I did appreciate that she was supportive. Yeah, just like weird because that's like not really the Shannon that I know. You don't know Shana Badour to make a running, quiet commentary under her breath, which is, well, that's not what I know. I wouldn't say that. It just keeps going. I mean, this is just like absolutely crazy. I mean, I don't know what you're even talking about. This is why I've never seen anything like that. Is that nacho free? Well, someone has their cell phone a little bit close to my right leg and I cannot feel my right leg now.

42:30Okay, okay, it was my cell phone. My cell phone's okay, it's fine. You dart. You dart.

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44:34Ben Mandelker: we go back to lymphatic by tart cn and uh shannon's like well i i i did i mention that i've been hanging out a lot with gina anyway let me go on i do feel bad i feel bad and i did start speaking for carmella and i wanted to support her and to defend her you know what i'm saying jen yeah i I thought that was so nice of you. And Gina was on my ass. I mean, talking to me like a little kid, I felt like I was getting scolded. Get off my back. You talk for Emily all the time. I'm about to talk for somebody sometimes. That's a woman who grew up in a rancho that had boats, and she's probably familiar with boats, and I grew up on boats.

45:17And everyone knows it. I have anchor pants.

45:21Ben Mandelker: We're all allowed to speak up for our buddies. that's the first rule of of having a buddy oh sorry heather so then jen uh jen is like my buddy wherever he goes it's not where heather is heather could not even keep him my buddy doll god bless her little heart anyway let's panic my heart i would like my butt lifted to my chin cut to heather dubrow in 1984. mother this is not a my buddy it's a teddy ruxpin it is not my buddy i got you on my buddy he ran out of the box and left i'm so sorry you were walking on a main road with my buddy in chappaqua i'm sorry my buddy is revoked you cannot be walking on route 172

46:22um jenna's saying gina and emily i mean like they were quipping at each other a little bit well she felt like emily threw her under the bus well i asked gina the wine tasting i said are you okay with your friendship with emily right now we really need to discuss your your relationship with emily what is going to happen with gina and emily we need to talk about it for five more episodes thank you so much thank you so much for this scene thank you so much for lymphatic cn thank

46:45Ben Mandelker: you oh uh cn that's that's short for cn that that's tart convention so then carmela like okay shannon i don't know why you're so mad at cn she shamed me about the brazilian so carmella is on bench cold back to goldfinch uh carmella is like is emily okay because your conversation with emily that was a lot i know yeah that was my point like i understand she's straws but like she's got a lot of stuff going on at home right we all do but like you've upset vicky okay well that's probably not the one to start your list off. Crosswalks upset Vicky. Everything upsets Vicky.

47:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah, like you can't upset Victoria. Like that's so mean to do that. And like you've upset Heather and then you've upset me. And I'm just like trying to get you to see something and see that you've like hurt your friend's feelings. But here's the difference. If anyone else had said that to you, you would have, you know, you would have gone nuclear. Nuclear I know I don't disagree with you But I was trying to grant her grace Because she's my best friend And that's why it's starting to irritate me Or as they say in French Like please leave Or like Right to refuse service to anyone That means you and you're disgusting Go take your Ziploc with you Well I never question Emily's loyalty To me ever And it does feel like when I'm not in rooms right now, she's like talking about me.

48:31Ben Mandelker: That's like an icky feeling. What are you doing right now? You're literally talking about Emily at Goldfinch. In lieu of a purse stool. In lieu of a purse stool, you've got the ghost of Emily that you're just punching. Yeah. So she goes on and on. She's going to talk to Emily. She wants it to be calm and blah, blah, blah. So then we go to Emily's house and Emily and Shane are with Annabelle. And they're like, whoa, I need you to move your clothes because we're moving your room. We're giving you a new room. We had to give the boys separate rooms. And then my other kids feel terrible because my one kid has all these problems.

49:11And I'm like, geez, so now I have to be nice to the other kids. They really were fucked over by that kid with problems. I'm so sick of them. I really hate how Emily talks about her kids. Is that weird? like we talk about kids kind of in a harsh way on tv and i know emily is just like being a mom it's not really mom shaming it's just like yeah i guess it is i don't like how she talks about our kids sometimes on tv i think it's like it's too much like she goes from sharing way too much that she doesn't even know is a fact yet like his diagnosis and all of this she's worried about it's like she's not thinking like what is he gonna deal with at school from everybody else saying all this shit.

49:50And now she's like, yo, and all the kids, you don't have to suffer because of him. And I understand that her problems are real. It's like, I'm not even taking away from her problem. I'm not making fun of her problem. It's just, it rubs me the wrong way how she talks about her kid. I just don't like it. There, there was a 20 minute way of saying it.

50:08Ben Mandelker: It doesn't, it doesn't rub me in the wrong way as much. You know, I feel like she's just saying like, this is what I'm dealing with. And like, it's difficult with kids and they have different different needs and whatever my only concern is that this like I would hate for this kid to I would hate for any of these kids to see this because I think they would I would just be scared they would take the wrong lessons from it you know like it's all my fault that the family is go has so much so many like so much acrimony right now or like oh what about us I just I I just feel like kids are so sensitive and I just, I, I, I would worry about unintended repercussions.

50:50Ben Mandelker: That's my, that's really my concern. Uh, I, I appreciate that she's being honest and telling us, but that's kind of my issue with it. You know, it's like, yeah, I appreciate it. Now the kids, I don't, I don't. the other thing is like you know for someone who is sitting here complaining that vicky is a debbie downer which by the way vicky is i mean this has been like you know every season with emily it's like my kid well like there's an issue with my kid here's an issue with my other kids here's an issue with my mom she doesn't like me here's an issue with the dog my doorknobs don't work it's like oh god every time we go to emily's interior life it's just it's just so it's so awful so we have another scene with her and shane and um basically they're getting a new room for annabelle annabelle doesn't want to live downstairs but she's gonna have to live downstairs and she even got a built-in, you know, makeup thingy, vanity, whatever.

51:54So, yeah. And so they're talking about that. And Emily's saying, well, you know, now I have to deal with Annabelle not liking her room. And Shane's like, she'll like her room. She'll be fine. Okay. I love how you're just like, she'll be fine. He goes, okay, yes, dear. If that's all I can say, then yes, dear.

52:14Ben Mandelker: you know it's just hard to find joy in each other there aren't a lot of soft things going on in my heart or soul and just like very contagious okay well it's funny that you say that because i feel like the viewers feel the same way um so now we've got a carm is not contagious but oh i mean it is kind of contagious you know you watch an emily steen and it's like oh my god my life sucks i I don't want to live behind the laundry room either. Carmela over at Carmela's world. She and Danny, her boyfriend are sitting in the kitchen and she is talking about, I need window treatments. I'm pretty sure the entire neighborhood is tired of seeing me naked.

52:53Ben Mandelker: It's like a fishbowl. I'm like hungry. I can't even think I'm eating cupcakes. So she gives herself a shot. And this is really why I liked Carmela. I think now that I see it here in writing, this is what made me like her. Carmella's like, I have onset adult diabetes of the diabetes, and it's like terrible. I could die at any moment. I'm going to give myself this insulin shot. And then she eats pizza and cupcakes on camera. And I'm like, yeah, that's my girl. Don't let that onset whatever bring you down, sister. Well, or as it's called in Orange County, insulin curtain.

53:38lymphatic diabetes

53:41Ben Mandelker: went for a third one everyone keep an eye and an ear out for this up we gotta have a third one before this episode it will happen we'll make it happen so she talks about her diagnosis as she eats tiny um nothing but the cakes which god i love those things god i love that they are so good you do i really do we get them for every niece birthday because they're all gluten-free you know so love them they're a big part of my life nothing but the cakes so then okay now let's get into it the real part of this scene is not disease or cupcakes it's this man you're with what are you doing lady what are you this guy danny first of all it's tom sandoval's father i don't know why we're pretending his name is Danny.

54:29Ben Mandelker: Tom's he reminds me of Eric Estrada. But that's either here. It's like a nice cross between those two. Tom's in the ball's dad and say Eric Estrada. Very nice cross. Very nice hybrid. So they start talking about his infidelity because he cheated on her a few years ago and she has a wall of resentment but she still loves him and she wants to forgive him and he's like uh-huh yeah you know i understand the anger but i'm trying to fix these things it's like oh my god you can't even see that i'm trying it's just like blah blah blah fair fair fair jesus christ how many times can i not fuck somebody for you to trust that i'm not gonna fuck somebody else like i haven't fucked anybody else for days now what do you want from me It's been days and days and days.

55:26Ben Mandelker: She's like, but you were nice. Here's the thing. When you were cheating on me, you were really nice to me. Like, so I don't know what to do. Because now if you're nice to me, I'm like, are you cheating on me? What do I do? Do you want to pick out tiles? That might help me. He's like, babe, look at my penis. Where is it right now? Not inside another woman. Exactly. That's my point. Okay. Let's just, okay. help me pack to vegas so i can cheat on you and then you can know what it's like okay this whole thing i was like oh no because she tells us you know like we're trying to build rebuild trust but then he just lies about everything and he lies about like insignificant things like if you're gonna lie about the color of underwear you have on you're definitely gonna lie about other things yeah then you should if this man is like a compulsive liar and a cheater And then Danny's like, what?

56:20I don't even know. I mean, I have not been that person in like for so long. I'm a totally different person. It's four years. You're not that different of a person, Danny.

56:32Ben Mandelker: You know, bangs make lie detector tests from last season. It's like, let me have them. Let me have them. Oh, God. What color is your underwear? Oh, yeah. Nailed him to the cross. He lied to me about his underwear. So she's saying he was there for me when my marriage fell apart and he saw what pain that was. So did she meet him right after the marriage? I mean, I guess that's what that means. I guess so. Right. Because I heard that and I was like, were you cheating with Danny? And now Danny's cheating and you're always wondering why Danny's cheating, but you're more forgiving because you were cheating with Danny.

57:06But that's all in my head. She never said that.

57:09Ben Mandelker: I personally think a guy who comes and helps you pick up the pieces directly after you have major heartbreak and you happen to be a playmate of the year, they're going to be a very trustworthy person. And I would not call them an opportunist or, you know, looking to get their dick wet. So I think she has nothing to worry about. I think everything's going to be fine. Yeah, one thing that's looking here is going to happen. I feel like there's a lot of stability coming forth. from this storyline. So good for them. Good for those guys. Congratulations, you've reached the end of part one of a two-part recap.

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