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1:58Ben Mandelker: And joining me today is the one and only Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Good. Happy Monday. We did it. We did it. Happy Monday to you, too. Today, we are talking about Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip, Roaring 20th, which is funny because you know what today is for me? it's my roaring 25th 25 years of living in los angeles it may have been yesterday i think it's today but today it's an anniversary 25 years in who would have thought that this is where the journey would take me is uh yeah sitting here talking about a whole bunch of other women who've been on a journey it's wild but it's exciting ultimate girls trip get a jab well you've been And therefore, I think actually like pretty much over half of my journey.

2:55Ben Mandelker: So thanks for being here. Thanks for being part of it.

2:59Ronnie Karam: I got here 22 years ago. Wow. 23. It's crazy. Actually, it's almost my 23rd because I came on my birthday. That's when I move on my birthday. That's when I first moved out of my house when I was 18. I moved to New York. And I moved to L.A. on my birthday when I was 28.

3:18Ben Mandelker: I'm an old bitch. well when i i will always remember my dad moved me out here and then we stayed we we like flew out here to um la i had to sort of like just come out here like spur of the moment because i got a job as a pa on a tv show andy richter controls the universe for those who remember that show which was really good and then um so my dad flew me out here and we stayed overnight in a hotel and then And then the next day I moved in with my cousin for a few weeks and he flew back to New York. And then that first, that Friday night, I went to a Johnny Rockets on La Cienega and I just was alone and I was just sitting there.

3:58Ben Mandelker: I was like, oh my God, I moved to Los Angeles. I'm just like here in Los Angeles. And I was looking at the traffic going by on La Cienega. And in my mind, I was like, well, it's LA, there's celebrities everywhere. And I swear to God, I convinced myself that there was like this, there's like a Nissan Maxima that drove by and I'll always remember this I convinced myself that Michelle Pfeiffer was driving it I was like I think that was Michelle Pfeiffer I was like wow there are celebrities everywhere and I was like no that couldn't have been Michelle Pfeiffer that car wasn't nice enough but I think it was Michelle Pfeiffer and I was just so convinced that first night and well

4:34Ronnie Karam: then you realize you live in a city where a lot of people look like Michelle Pfeiffer that's right the most gorgeous people in every place we've Yes. And you just watch them out the diner window. Could have been the firetruck driver.

4:49Ben Mandelker: You never know. Who would know that five years later, the Real Housewives would then enter our world. And 20 years after that, we'd be sitting here talking about them. Actually, and as long as I'm waxing poetic, I remember I didn't really watch, season one and season two, I sort of like sampled a little bit, but I didn't get really into it because the show was so much slower back then. It was just like, here's some women doing stuff. And I tried to get into it. And I remember in 2007, I went to France and Vicky and Tammy Knickerbocker were on my plan. I've told this story a million times. And it still kills me that that was like just before I started watching the Housewives.

5:31Ben Mandelker: And I could have like, man, I would have pumped them for so much information back then. It kills me. Kills me. I took an entire flight to a different continent with Vicki Gunvalson and Tammy Knickerbocker. Could have been great. Tammy Knickerbocker.

5:47Ronnie Karam: I hope somewhere Tammy Knickerbocker is listening to this being like, that's right. Still got it. Well, she is still bragging about seeing me on a plane.

5:57Ben Mandelker: She is busy hosting the Great British Bake Off, I believe. I think I've seen her there the past few years. Who is it really? No.

6:14Ben Mandelker: i didn't want to have to spell it out i was hoping the joke would just you do for me though yeah i was hoping the joke would just sort of hang there and be acknowledged and we could all move on but you know they always say like a joke is when you don't have to explain but don't act like i started going i started flipping through all the cast but of course it's all of course you're like no building

6:39Ronnie Karam: all right well we are here for real housewives ultimate girls trip today as usual if you want these on video or you want bonus episodes or ad-free listening all that good stuff go to our patreon patreon.com slash watch what crappens today is our amazon live at 1 30 pacific time and next week we're doing that we do that every monday but um we have crappy hour next monday August 24th. It's going to be a fun one, I'm sure. So join us for that. Let's get into a little Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip Season 5, Episode 2. What did you think of this one? I thought it was a little bit better.

7:23Ben Mandelker: I definitely had some moments where I laughed. I still feel like there's too many clips. I understand why they're doing that. I get it. Like this is a celebration in many ways of, of, of these things. I'm like, Oh, too many, too many flashbacks as I sat here for 15 minutes. And then there was this one time I was at a soda fountain and I thought that I saw Mariska Harkite. No, but like the real, I do think, ultimate Ben trip. I have always, I know the ultimate Ben like trip would be, uh, be a hilarious flashback. um i have i have always been a bit resistant to any show on bravo that relies too much on the flashbacks i think it breaks up the narrative flow i think to me it usually signals that they don't have enough content to go forward and like it's fun to see the clips but i almost would prefer and this is just just saying in general if we're gonna have like a moment where we like look back at the housewives i actually would prefer kind of like a full-on documentary style like they did when they like they did the Beverly Hills Beverly Hills or they did one for OC at one point it's almost like how you know how like SNL yeah you know how like correct and you know how like SNL will often have a special on NBC where they sort of like look back and so you see like lots of clips but you have people sort of like talking us through whatever I really love that kind of stuff and those are moments where I love the flashbacks.

8:59Ben Mandelker: Guys, those are moments where I love the flashbacks. But I really do. I like that format a lot. So like here, you know, I thought it was better than episode one. I'll say that. Long-winded answer. What did you think?

9:15Ronnie Karam: I love it. I'm very simple with this one. I just love it. I think it's so funny. Let's start cracking up from the beginning to the end. I like this one better because I liked it better than the first one, even though I liked the first one too. But I thought they really started to get in their groove pretty quickly on this one. And they all got annoyed with Vicky, right? It's like they were all onto her bullshit already instead of letting her just go and be Vicky. Like, let Vicky be Vicky. I liked that they kind of were like, no, you shut the fuck up. Okay, let's keep having fun. I like seeing a different side of Lisa Barlow because I'm a Barlow stan, you know?

9:53And she takes a lot of shit.

9:56Ronnie Karam: And I do see, I'm usually on her side on the show. I mean, she can be such an asshole too, but I'm usually on her side. I feel like they're always poking at her and starting with her, you know, especially like Whitney and Heather. They're always acting like they're her friend and then turning it on her and they think it's so hilarious. And I don't, like, I'm like, this isn't fair. This isn't fair. So it's kind of nice to see her in a season where she's just like, oh my God, I can't believe like this is so fun. And I'm not, I'm not crying. You're being attacked. Like she's, she's so shocked to be having fun that she cries.

10:32So that's cute. Like it's nice seeing a different side of all the ladies.

10:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I think it's funny that Vicky does not fit in whatsoever. And she's sort of in like the Ramona role from the first girls trip that they did. And I think that's like very funny. Ramona just was like annoying to everyone. She started trouble with everyone. She just kept on getting into fights and issues because she's just Ramona being Ramona. And Vicky's sort of doing that. I think Vicky's doing it in like a, maybe slightly less entertaining because like no one could put their foot in their mouth the way Ramona Singer can and just like create an awkward moment. But like Vicky's definitely having those moments.

11:13Ben Mandelker: And like, don't get me wrong. I was definitely laughing in this one. Like I had some full on belly laughs. So I did think it was an improvement over the first episode, but I just would like fewer flashbacks. Yeah.

11:24Ronnie Karam: Well, let's get into it. It's day two. They're still in Orange County. And they meet up, and they're going to go to Beverly Hills today. And then we get Kyle behind a planter crying. I can't. Kyle in the planter. Yeah. She's like, oh, I got a text from Maurizio. And, you know, he said, happy anniversary, because this is our 30th. I don't know. I can't believe it. I just feel like it's my fault you know what I mean? because like it is your fault you ruined everything you're ruining your life you betrayed your children it is you did everything wrong you ruined your children's life how does it feel?

12:05you gave up you gave up on the marriage that was on you okay like that's your fault Kyle's like geez I'm cracking up Kyle goes she's like well I feel like I'm not like ashamed she goes well you should be

12:20Ben Mandelker: she literally is like it like with her tone is very sympathetic but her words are like you messed up you let everyone down you let yourself down you let your kids down you let your family down you let your god down you are a failure but all you can do is is look back it's vicky which is obnoxious but it's anti-kyle so i was just dying laughing how she told her because kyle of course is so kyle about it she's like you know the thing that really upsets me the most is that we were just like everybody loved us like as a couple we were like a fee couple we inspired people i would get others every day and i i sure left that success okay kyle okay i i hated when she was like when when kyle did say something along the lines of the thing that hurts me the most is that like people felt like you know we made them believe that true love could work out I'm like I still remember when I got this enormous box from thenot.com and you open it up and it was like Kyle and Mauricio celebrating 25 years and like you open the box and like a little recording went hi I'm Kyle Richards and we're celebrating 25 years of love and we're going to tell you how to make it work and it was a whole like cover spread in their magazine and they had all these little tchotchkes in that box of like to put up a date night and everything i'm like you actively were selling your marriage and you were actually going around telling everyone why you guys had the best marriage out there so then when she's like the worst part is that like we made like people would come up to us and be like they believed in us i was like no you sold them on them it's not like people just watched you guys and thought that you know you guys are the ones that i really want to like i'm watching you guys on TV and now I know I can be just like you guys.

14:06Ben Mandelker: I'm like, no, you went out of your way to inject your marriage into everyone's lives. And then I'm like, now I feel really bad that people just saw us and were inspired by us. I got a box because of you guys. Yeah, there was a box. I forgot what

14:20Ronnie Karam: was even in that box. But it was, wasn't it right before? I felt like it was right before they went through all of this. It was like a year before. It was a great box, by the way. And then she was like, yeah, I think i'm in love with the country star that i dm'd on instagram i'm out of here or whatever i don't know

14:40Ben Mandelker: like for some reason just rubbed me the wrong way of um her saying like oh my god we gave hope to so many people what you know and i do think that there are people that are like oh wow kyle and maurice are the only good relationship but i also felt like she spent a lot of time talking about how they were the greatest relationship and like pushing it and you know you don't wind up on the cover of the knot just by accident like there i don't know i just there was something that i was like you know don't don't be don't act like you're passive in this story i don't know why it annoyed me so much well yeah i mean that's your whole brand and then you're like no

15:17Ronnie Karam: it's like i didn't like i didn't love the product in the first place i mean i didn't hate their marriage or anything they were a cute couple and stuff it's just very to me it's just so kyle to be like, oh, we're the most inspirational couple in America. And that's what hurts. I haven't really found a way to brand this new one yet. So I'm just really, of course, it's a long marriage and you get it, but it's just Kyle crying behind a planter. I can't. So I love this. And she's like, I just feel guilty, you know, like ashamed. Like that's probably the wrong word. And Vick is like, no, that that's the word ashamed, you know, let everybody just you might as well have just taken your car on the freeway started driving 90 miles an hour and pushed all of your children out that's basically what you did you left your entire family in a hot car that's what you did kyle so enjoy yourself okay because you know you're supposed to grow old together you're supposed to you know you're supposed to have grandkids you're not supposed to cheat on don vicky says i just wish someone would have come up to me when I decided to divorce Don 16 years ago to say, stop.

16:22Okay. Cause I was caught in the, like being on a reality show and traveling and nobody told me like, shape up Vicky. Like this TV life is what is that you're living is temporary. I'm like, first of all, I guarantee there were

16:33Ben Mandelker: people that said that to you. I guarantee. And I guarantee you could not hear them much as you can't hear many people when they try to give you a gentle note here and there. Yeah. Vicky ain't

16:43Ronnie Karam: going to listen and also to say this this reality tv life is temporary i mean it's longer than most marriages really it's the 20th anniversary and i know that vicky was fired ish a while ago but she's still been on here and she's still been you know doing the rounds and stuff yeah yeah she's been on oc she's been a friend of so this stuff lasts more than most marriages i think so So don't disagree with us. It's not so temporary. I would say, why get a man? They're so temporary when I could have Housewives and be on there for 20 years. Yeah. Now, if Kyle Richards just sent a box that said, celebrating 25 years of being on the Housewives, I'd be like, okay, I support it.

17:28So Kyle is like, I mean, is it still going to bother me in like 40 or 50 years? Vicky's like, of course it is. It still bothers me with Dom. She goes, but like, I mean, I would hope it doesn't bother me. She's like, no, it'll bother you for the rest of your life. You've made a colossal mistake, Kyle Richards. You might as well just throw yourself into this planter and cover yourself up with dirt. Because guess what? You've made terrible decisions. Yeah. Yeah.

17:52Ronnie Karam: You know what? 20 years from now, you're thinking she's going to say 20 years from now, you're not even going to think about it. She's like, 20 years from now, when you're older, it's going to be 50 years. Think about that. It's going to be 50 years of your anniversary. You fucked up. You did it. It's going to bother you. It's going to bother you every day of your life. and she's like well i mean when vicky when i hear vicky said you know that the pain still is with her i mean i don't want to turn into vicky

18:20Ben Mandelker: well you won't and actually a great example is everyone else who's on this cast i mean it cuts right to luann talk about someone who's flourished since the divorce honestly portia portia has flourished the most and actually we did see some clips uh later on the episode of of portia's when when we first met her with, with what's his face. And like, she was a completely different person.

18:40Ronnie Karam: So I say, well, literally every person on this show has flourished because of divorce. Like everybody else. Yeah. Lisa Barlow hasn't. You're right. But I think, isn't it 90 % of the other lady? Oh yeah. They show us right here. They put it on the screen. Giselle divorced 2009. She's doing much better. Her husband was a philanderer. Lou. I mean, obviously became an icon after her divorce. Portia, obviously. Teresa. I mean, Teresa's with that guy, but she's still, you know, the eggplant guy. But she's still. She's remarried, so. But they've all gone. She's still doing great. And at least she's happy.

19:21Ronnie Karam: It's not like with Joe, you know. Yeah. That was a dick. Vicky. Vicky says she's happy. Well, she doesn't say she's happy, actually. She's like, I miss Don. Why did I ever divorce Don? um yeah and then lisa's still married yeah yeah but then all divorce do it divorce yeah that's good for the body um so then lisa's like i'm gonna cry it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial i love sandwiches i eat a sandwich almost every single day of my life and the best part of a sandwich is the bread there can be a little carb guilt with bread eating, but not with Hero Bread.

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23:00Ben Mandelker: That's article.com slash crappens for$50 off your first purchase of$100 or more. So then Giselle's just saying, they all know the pain of it and you know you can get to the other side. And Luanne's like, all right, well, anyone want something to drink? All you sad sacks over here. And Kyle's like, I need some, like, not alcoholic champagne. Okay, guys. So they tell us to whatever the future holds. I have some things to talk about, by the way. This morning, I got a little visitor called Lisa Barlow. Lisa's like, oh, my God, that's, like, my name also. That's so funny. There's someone else staying here with my exact...

23:37Ben Mandelker: It was you, you idiot.

23:39Ronnie Karam: Oh. It's another Lisa who has no idea what it's like to live my life. Does that Lisa also live a very different life than you guys?

23:49Ben Mandelker: So we see a flashback and Lisa was talking with Giselle and is like, so last night when I was driving back with Vicky, Vicky was like really upset.

24:02Ronnie Karam: And so we see a flashback of that. And Vicky's like, you know what? She's getting nothing from me. Guess what? Guess what? She's invisible to me. and I know my spot with her now. She's honestly, I don't need to ruin my life. Why would someone try to start stuff like that? Why would someone try to ruin our friendship, Tamara? And of course, Giselle was the one who started that whole mess and now Giselle is going to have a confrontation about the mess that Giselle started. Yes, Giselle, always working.

24:29Ben Mandelker: And most importantly, Lisa reports that Vicky said that Vicky is going to put Giselle in a box. and box is like a trigger word on Orange County these days. So those are fighting words. So Giselle is like, yeah, that was right in a row too,

24:47Ronnie Karam: because they did this and then they did Orange County. It's just like in a box, in a box, in a box, in a box. I'm in a box, bitch. Okay, I guess Heather's going to put me in a box.

24:58Ben Mandelker: So Giselle is like, well, Lisa did tell me that. And Vicky, I don't know what's going on. Vicky, you're on the phone. you're on your computer because they're in the Sprinter van, by the way, we forgot to mention. And Vicky's on her laptop doing insurance work. And so Giselle's trying to talk to Vicky and Vicky's like not listening. She's like, well, I have a lot of work to do in the next two hours. Okay, so I don't have to do it like when I get there. Okay, sorry, I'm working. Okay, good job, good job.

25:21Ronnie Karam: Vicky, you are at work. You're on a TV show that you're being paid for. And it's being filmed at the moment. Put your fucking computer away. So rude. She's so rude. And Giselle, who's ABG, always be Giselle-en. And she's just like, no, this is your work right now. Lisa told me after last night, which it was loud, but you know, fun. And you said you put me in a box. What's up with the box? And she's like, well, look, you were trying to stir something up that wasn't there. And so I'm going to put you over there because I don't understand why you did that. And I wasn't prepared right now because I'm literally in the middle of quoting huge clients.

25:57Ronnie Karam: Huge. Do you know how many people could hurt 30 in the future? Do you know how many people could get cancer? do you know how many people whose house could start sliding down a hill this is what's important right now well it's not it's not a conflict it's just a conversation nah and vicky is like yeah but it's a conversation but that's conversation happening for me okay because you went into a relationship that you know i've been at for like 17 years and you put yourself in that place and like that was not your spot to do that okay i don't even know you i don't know who you are so i was like it doesn't matter uh this is about being accountable owning your shit da Okay, you know what?

26:33Ronnie Karam: I'm working. So you guys fight. Okay, I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. Lisa's like, no, you're not out. Like, we're still here. Where are you going to go? You can't go out. No, out denied. So Giselle's like, well, I have several things I could be doing right now. I work very, very much. Okay, well. Well, name them.

26:55Ben Mandelker: Name them. It's definitely not in the fashion industry. so Lisa is like I don't know why Vicky thinks that we're gonna have a calm zen moment on the Sprinter van, kiss the clips and then 15 minutes later we're done looking at clips of Sprinter vans so let's close the laptop kiss and engage

27:16Ronnie Karam: so what you said to me on the yacht, I don't even know why you would be upset that I told her that because Giselle, she didn't tell you that you said how are you with Tamara and she said well you know I get scared because Tamara you know, she'll start fights and stuff. And Giselle took it like, she doesn't trust you because you are always trying to ruin everything. You know, Giselle makes it. Yeah. The Giselle version. And she's like, well, you know, I don't want her to think I'm talking bad about her or you because I'm not talking bad about you.

27:45Ben Mandelker: And Giselle's like, but you did talk bad about her to Nguyen also. And Dylan's like, well, just as you said, you know, basically the same thing. That's all I'm saying, cabaret. so Vicky's like yeah you were just saying she could be really mean girls what's the big deal with that you said she could be mean well she can't be mean and she'll admit she can be mean

28:06Ronnie Karam: and you know what I'm not talking bad about her it's who she is it's who she is what do you get am I gonna get mad that people say I'm an amazing insurance person no it's what I'm doing it's what I'm doing right now I don't appreciate Giselle getting involved it's like not her business and I've had conversations like that with Tamara in the past and I will see as I will again in the future if it goes sideways and now clips of tamra and vicky's conversations and giselle did not need to come in okay nothing i said to giselle that i wouldn't say to tamra's face and i've told her many times um so she's like listen tamra shannon and i we're all fine i shouldn't have said anything to giselle okay and at least it's like yeah i don't think giselle's the problem okay we'll give it a minute because she'll start shit with you too and just i was like yeah i'm Not the problem.

28:55Ronnie Karam: If I'm in a box, I want the box to be pink. I want a pink bow on the box. And Vicky's like, but I never said anything to either of you. All of you. But like that, I wouldn't say it to Tamara. So she is mean sometimes. Not all the time. I mean, I could be mean too. And then Teresa's like, ah, Vicky, Vicky, Vicky. After you're done with this, you was mean to me too yesterday.

29:23Vicky's like, what? what did i do yeah i heard things that you were saying like you were saying that i changed the most like what and uh that was so funny when they all saw their cutout standing there and vicky's

29:38Ronnie Karam: like i think teresa's changed the most and teresa's like well i didn't even get nothing done on my whole face all i did was get my nose like the tip of my nose i got an injection then everybody just kind of looks around like uh teresa teresa explains to us she goes see this is how i am sometimes i have to process things like it don't hit it doesn't hit me in

30:01Ben Mandelker: the moment like you don't say you don't say teresa things don't hit you in the moment like teresa who's like looking like she's forever trying to figure out an eye chart huh huh What word is that?

30:20Ronnie Karam: I loved when Marge said something like, Teresa, she doesn't even know what's going on. She has to hear something, and then it's like a week where it spins around, goes down a roller coaster, goes through a tunnel, makes a loop-to-loop, goes to hell, comes back, and then she'll hear what you said. But it takes like two weeks. what are you going to do? She's a moron. So Vicky's like, you're beautiful. It was a compliment. It was a compliment about how you're beautiful and you used to be ugly and now you're beautiful. So it was a compliment. Teresa's like, I mean, I think I've aged pretty gracefully.

30:56She's like, yeah. No, that was never like, it was never related like you're uglier. No, no, no, never. Yeah, but then at one point, remember that she was yelling like, pay your taxes, pay your taxes. Like, who said that?

31:11Ronnie Karam: And she's like, oh, I wasn't referencing you. It was just, you know, I was referencing someone else on my cast. But, you know, I don't talk bad about people. So I'm not going to say. I just met another person who's ugly on my cast that doesn't pay their taxes. It wasn't you, Teresa. Who is having tax issues on Orange County? Is it Carmela? I don't know. I don't know if she was referring to a past person or who knows. And Lee's like, yeah, but you say you weren't talking about her, but you were looking right at her. Yeah, I don't want to relive this because, like, look, I did it already. It just happened 10 years ago.

31:49Like, I just realized that I was out of prison yesterday.

31:52Ronnie Karam: And Vic is like, okay, okay, you know what? This is a great clothing store. Look at this store. Look at this store. It's great. High-end stuff. Gucci, amazing Valentino. Oh, my God. I'm having a Ramona moment.

32:07Ben Mandelker: everyone she's so rude rude i love luann just hating vicky she's like just not just like it's like to her it's all the downside of ramona without any of the upside it's just like a it's just a purely downside of ramona and which is a really that's like i'm ramona is pretty much all downside anyway but like i i can admit that there are certain elements of ramona that obviously there's something there that all these women still like about her but i literally have the ramona shirt on today i didn't i didn't do it on purpose i wear it all the time it says we are pop icon icon okay yes from that amazing interview she did that at crappens and i've

32:54Ronnie Karam: kept this for years and years and years so you know ramona's annoying but at least Ramona's a terrible human being but yeah at least she's funny there's something a terrible human

33:04Ben Mandelker: being I do think that there is as awful as Ramona is as problematic as Ramona is I do think there is like something about her which is what has brought her back over and over again is that like there is like a weird warmth about her that comes through and uh well and she's also I mean like she is probably the biggest it's not train wreck I'm train wreck yes but like I don't know how you describe Ramona, just someone who puts their foot in their mouth. Like no one is to that degree on Bravo. Like she is the number one of that.

33:36Ronnie Karam: She's detached in such a way that you're almost like, oh, like there's something wrong. You know what I mean? There's something wrong with Ramona that has not been diagnosed. We don't know what it is. I'm not going to sit here and diagnose it or hurt anybody's feelings. But there's something detached about Ramona from humanity that you're just kind of like oh you know you're kind of like i don't want to say i feel bad for her but there's something where she's just so much not like a real person or like a regular person that i don't know but vicky's a whore just a horrid human being yeah i think i think that with

34:14Ben Mandelker: with ramona like we've seen her be very warm to her girlfriends as much as she is an underminer of them she has moments of like genuine warmth i think where she just doesn't i think she sometimes she tries and she just doesn't know how to get beyond whatever damage she has that causes her to be an awful person but like with vicky i think that there isn't really that same warmth i think she i think vicky is just uh she's just like just a nasty lady yeah i don't know i would never

34:48Ronnie Karam: accuse ramona of being warm but i do see what you're saying i guess like it's humanity i suppose I don't know. This is the trouble. And I see that we're both kind of stuttering on this because this is where you get in trouble on Bravo is ever trying to make comparisons because they're both horrible. We personally love making fun of Ramona. And that's it. I mean, I think it's just as simple as that. You know what? That's it. Okay. Sorry.

35:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I don't know. I think, you know, I don't know. I also kind of feel like Ramona is smarter than Vicky, believe it or not. like given the lowered bar between both of them i i don't know like i feel like there's just like there's more substance with ramona than there is with vicky i think i mean vicky obviously vicky works which i always respect i've always respected that she as annoying as she is about talking about it but i don't know i think that there's like i can't describe that i get and i think that luann is picking up on this luann's just like you're just like some like you're just like an empty husk or something like Luann just doesn't has no tolerance for Vicky whatsoever yeah well Teresa's like well I don't want to talk about what happened 10 years ago because I got like anxieties about it you know because like my whole thing is like I don't want to get reminded of like it's a cross I gotta carry you know and I've been carrying it for 10 years like I want take the cross off already, you know?

36:22Ben Mandelker: So, Portia says, is that the only thing that made you feel like Vicky was coming for you? And she's like, wait, there was like another thing. And Giselle's like, ooh, was it about the overrated commenter? Oh, yeah, that was the other thing.

36:41Teresa. Teresa has to just be dragged along for every little

36:45Ronnie Karam: thing what was i gonna fight about yes here's here's what you're gonna fight about so vicky's like oh that was yesterday that was 12 years ago that was 12 years ago that i said that and lou's like but why why why would you be the most overrated housewife why okay yeah andy asked me a question and then we see at 2022 bravo con which by the way is not 12 years ago and uh someone asked who's the most overrated and she said teresa so vicky's like at the time you were getting Dancing with the Stars, Apprentice, Traitors. And I was like, oh, hello. Why? Why not me? What have I not done to be the apprentice?

37:24Ronnie Karam: Why? Of all the people who get to work with Trump, why would they choose me? I know.

37:31Ben Mandelker: Vicky, that's why Vicky's really upset. She's like, you have to be Dancing with the Stars. I was like, Vicky, you can't be on Dancing with the Stars. You're in like a knee brace at all times. Like, you're getting Traitors. She wasn't on Traitors, but that's okay. I don't understand why you're getting these things. I didn't remember Teresa being on Traitors. I thought, God, my memory really is worse than that. She was on House of Villains. That's what it was. Vicky's like, I don't know, maybe it came from jealousy. I do think Teresa's a little overrated, to be honest. I always have felt that way.

38:04Ben Mandelker: But I also think Vicky's overrated, too, to be honest. I do appreciate that Vicky is our number one. But like Vicky has kind of in terms of like providing us with entertainment, entertaining content and storyline. Vicky, he stalled out somewhere around like, I don't know, season eight or so.

38:21Ronnie Karam: So Vicky, you know, I'm a current I'm an all time always. I was going to say current, but I always have been an overrader of Teresa. I think she's just so fucking funny. And she's one of my favorite kinds of housewives. I just love a dingbat, you know. and Teresa's mix of like dingbat and rage, you know, her rage flip outs. I just think she's so fucking funny. She's always made me laugh. And that's really my requirement. That's my only requirement. I never agree with her. I think she's usually wrong on her seasons, but I always end up standing up for her just because she makes me laugh. So, yeah.

38:57Ben Mandelker: I mean, I think that there was a period of time where I really, really disliked Teresa. I was like, I just couldn't stand her. And I felt like she was massively overrated. at this point i do see that she is she's like you know the god to your housewife i get all that but there's sometimes i'm like well she's not as amazing as everyone says but i do acknowledge

39:16Ronnie Karam: vicky makes it like i'm the og you wouldn't be here without me vicky you know the original bread sucked it wasn't this like white fluffy gorgeousness that we have now it was just like grains shoved together it was hard it wasn't fluffy it wasn't good you know bread has improved and i feel like that with her like maybe you're the original bread so thank you because i love bread but bread has really improved and i don't want your original medieval chewy shit give me some modern fluffy bread so just because you're the og doesn't make you the

39:55Ben Mandelker: best you've been a bit of an issue yeah yeah um yeah she's she's like the model t she's the model v uh which had no air conditioning i'd like to add um so she basically admits that she was jealous of teresa and apologizes and she's like oh thank you that's all i wanted so porsche is like listen i have to give my hat off to vicky because she's a real og she's not dragging out the drama she's like yeah i said i didn't mean it i'm just like yeah i'm like and did you take it and like that's what it was it was cool i was like what where did where's this from like at least it's like yeah i think everybody has this idea that teresa's like ready to flip a table all the time i'm like that's because bravo shows that clip every five seconds it's like oh hi nice to see you again cut to vicky flipping a table and we're like not even on the new jersey franchise so uh but yeah no but she's like really not like that at all.

40:50Yeah, everybody is kind of weirded out that this was nothing.

40:54Ronnie Karam: They're like, okay, Teresa really gets over it. And Lisa says, yeah, Teresa's just like, feed me and tell me I'm pretty. Like it's over. That's all she needed. So then we go to Beverly Hills and it's the Beverly Hills theme song. We're here, guys!

41:11Ben Mandelker: Which, by the way, I think one thing we didn't talk about last week or this week is the music for this show which is really fun because um the theme song every season of girls trip has a different unique theme song obviously we'd love the very first one housewives on the island baby and then the bluestone matter one sort of sounded like succession which was kind of fun the one in thailand had nothing memorable i don't remember you know if there's something about like between the white lotus and this one the thailand theme songs are flopping a little bit although then we ultimately came to really like the the thailand white lotus theme song but this one is interesting because it weaves together all the famous hooks of all the um of all the franchises which i really like the only thing that bothers me about it is that they play the atlantis song when they show theresa and they play the new jersey song when they show porsche and i'm like was anyone paying attention to this part of the opening credits did you notice that no i noticed that they were

42:12Ronnie Karam: all put together but um it's kind of jarring hearing all of those go one right into another it sounds kind of like a wind chime you know where it's just like clanging and once you know what it is you're like that's pretty but when you first hear it's like oh god why why do people put these on their homes why um i mean it's also funny to pick out which one's wrong and which

42:39Ben Mandelker: one's right well it's kind of funny to also like some of them have a very distinct sound like the orange county and the beverly hills theme songs are very very like they have more of a melody obviously orange county is like and then uh beverly hills has that dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun

43:03And then, but for like Atlanta is like, and then New York is like not well defined.

43:17Ben Mandelker: Like the original New York theme song was like, and then the revamped.

43:23Ronnie Karam: Never had a great one. And then they changed it during the reboot, the first reboot with Carol and Heather and all of them.

43:30Ben Mandelker: Yeah, which was good. I liked the new one was really good. But again, it never really had a melody. It was more just a vibe, right? And then Potomac, it's so funny. I went back and I, does anyone still listen to this podcast? Am I just boring everyone right now with tales of like going back and listening to music? But the little bit that they included for Potomac was this little violin part and the Potomac theme song that's so small and obscure. Cause like Potomac is just like,

44:05Ben Mandelker: and then, uh, Tom's a great, the rhythm Potomac is, it's got a good vibe also. Um, and then for New Jersey, you hear New Jersey on this one very clearly because New Jersey, they just go, you just hear, it's like a mandolin, right?

44:21Ronnie Karam: Yes, that is like the typical, it's like a Disney, it's a Disney ride that takes place in Italy, you know, or when you walk into Italy or something.

44:31Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

44:31Ronnie Karam: And then Salt Lake City, we didn't, we don't have enough.

44:34Ben Mandelker: I know. They sort of have it in there. They actually don't, I feel like they don't pull much melody from Salt Lake City. They just use it as the end of this. It's like a, like an ascending sort of sound. But I love the Salt Lake City theme song. Like that one, again, is more vibe than melody. But it's so dramatic. Like, the Salt Lake City theme song is the most dramatic of all of them. And I love it.

44:57Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, I love all those theme songs. Great musical stuff going on with this show, as usual. Catch me on the song exploder. I was just listening to that. That's a good one. So we see the ladies get to the Beverly Hilton Hotel. And, of course, Kyle's like, I've spent so much time here over the years. Oh, I can imagine. I don't even think I've ever been in here. I do recognize the, why do I recognize the wallpaper? The wallpaper is very restaurant and hotel that Luann was arrested coming from. That leaf wallpaper. I remember we saw that and I was like, yes, that's in the Beverly Hills Hilton, right?

45:40Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's iconic to Beverly. I don't know if that's where it started, but it's like iconically associated with the Beverly Hills Hilton. as that sort of like green, like Monstera. I don't know if it's palm fronds or Monstera, but it's like green leafy wallpaper in every room. I almost want to fuck a stranger in the wrong room. This place looks familiar. I don't know why, girls.

46:05Ben Mandelker: So they're just like, oh, this is great. And then Lisa's like, oh my God. Like, is this where the Oscars are? And everyone's like, yes. It's not. The Golden Globes. to be maybe but the golden globes are there for sure oh you're right the dorothy i'm always thinking of the dorothy chandler pavilion they're just staying at the dorothy chandler pavilion yes carl's like uh kathy owns this place so it's a pretty big deal um um yeah so lisa uh so they go

46:36Ronnie Karam: to their rooms and then we see them all getting to their rooms and all that good stuff and uh Luz just sprawls out on the bed. She's like, I feel like I'm totally vibing Marilyn right now, girls.

46:48Ben Mandelker: Don't vibe her too hard, if you know what I'm saying. And then Lisa, sorry, too soon. Lisa's like, oh my God, I fully expect you to have a sick ride here. Darling. So Kyle's like, I don't know if I want all this energy in my house just yet. So I got them in the hotel that's in my family. Oh, and then in another room, Kyle's like, Look what I do. I sleep with a pillow between my legs. Isn't that crazy? Aren't I wacky? I can't believe I've made people lose faith in pillows not being in their legs.

47:22Ronnie Karam: The pillow between my legs. I rise to me. America's said you are the best pillow between the legs. Come on, whatever. I got everyone's pillow. I'm a hero. So in the other room, people are putting on glam. Kyle's FaceTiming Porsche. They're going to have a pajama party. It's a Hollywood gowns, glitz, and giggles party.

47:47Ben Mandelker: By the way, I just want to say this right now. There's nothing that feels like Hollywood glamour about this party. They're like in a small suite. They're like in a standard junior suite with a little gathering, like a little couch. So Kyle's like, the truth is, today's been just a little bit of an odd day for me, Portia, because she's FaceTiming Portia. And Portia's like, congratulations on 30 years strong, mother. She's like, yeah, you're strong. Thanks a lot, Portia. I was just thinking tonight would be like a good night to stay in and relax and just like really get to know each other. Yeah.

48:20Well, I love small parties for us because we really let our hair down. Cue the clips, small parties.

48:28Ronnie Karam: And we see a lot of, you know, Ashley Darby twerking, men twerking on the SLEs, SLC girls, a lot of twerking. There's a lot of twerking happening. and um then we get lou facetiming her new boyfriend michael this guy yeah wow he's like hey baby show me your boobies baby show me your titties i want to see your titties he's german it's pretty hot yeah let me see the magic she's like well i can't really do that right now handsome

49:04Ben Mandelker: So then Giselle, they're gathering a little bit. And Portia's like, I'm ready to party. And Lisa's like, oh, my God. She leads with Coco and Chanel. So then Teresa starts talking about her boobs and if she would name them. And I was like, oh, my God. Are we about to get like a boob flashback montage? But shockingly, we don't. I can't believe it. So they're talking about boobs. And then Lisa's like. And Portia says, what did you name your boobs, Lisa? And she's like, John Barlow's. There's a difference between an East Coast girl and a West Coast girl. On the East Coast, you wear barely there makeup, all cute and bony.

49:41But like, you move to the West Coast and you go home in full glam with a boob job. Yeah.

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52:43You're such a guy. What, you just want to see my boobs? All right. I'll show you a little bit. Take a look there. Oh, do you have underwear on? No, of course not. Prove it. Oh, well, I can't do that. Not right now because there's a lot of cameramen in front of me. Too many guys standing around. Hey, boys, no underwear on below here. Cabaret star going commando.

53:05Ben Mandelker: So then Teresa's like, hi. So what's going on, girls? I want this look for you ladies. I'm like, oh, good. So they gather around. and we play my favorite game. Is this a shawarma? Is this shawarma? Is this shawarma? No, I think it's cold. I think it's a shakolda. It's not what that means. Is this a kebab or a shawarma? Who is this? So there's an issue because Luann eats, I guess, half of her kebab and then puts it down on Vicky's plate because it's the only plate that's nearby. And Vicky's like, did you just put that on my plate? She's like, yes. but you was that in your mouth yes what else is new it's like but that's on my plate like yes you should be so lucky having meat in my capra star's mouth yeah wow god forbid you swallow some talent um i am controlling what i put in my body and it's like not going back in my body okay it's like well it's a piece of kebab i just had half of it get over it but why isn't on my plate because i don't have one how's that giselle's just laughing watching that guys i don't have cooties or anything and vicky is so grossed out by the fact that luann put a half-eaten kebab on her plate i think it's like that's not a terrible point for for vicky well at first i thought it was like it was chewed on and then spat out but i think it's just that like luann had gnawed on some of the

54:34Ronnie Karam: kebab she took like a half a bite of she took a bite of half of one of the little squares and and put the rest of the other little house. I mean, she did. It was gross. And it was funny because Luanne was just in the van or whatever going, God, Vicky's so rude. She's just so rude. And then the next scene, she's like, blops it right down on Vicky's plate. Happy MeCube.

54:57Ben Mandelker: And Vicky's like,

54:58Ronnie Karam: Do you gag? Do you have a strong gag reflex? She's like, oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Cue the Vicky gagging. I'm no chief gagging.

55:07Ben Mandelker: And we see a lot of clips of that. So 30 minutes later, Giselle's like, Vicky, you don't suck penis. She's like, what are you talking about? Kyle's like, she's talking about food. She's like, I never said that I did that. Oh my God, you guys stop. They're like, you need to loosen up, bitch. Vicky's like, no, I'm good. I'm perfect. I'm perfect. God made me perfect. Well, Luanne, you did make a strong suggestion in the sprinter that Vicky get some penis. Vicky, get some dick. And so we see a flashback of Luann saying that Vicky needs some dick.

55:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she needs to have a good time, possibly have some sex, girls. Vicky's like, I'm in a relationship, a committed relationship. You don't have sex in committed relationships. Kyle's like, what does that mean? Give some penis. How would she give some penis? No, get some penis. Jeez, Kyle, come on. I mean, even though you have a man, are your orgasms that good? Come on. I don't think I have to talk to you about that right now. Well, you're in a pajama party with girls and one cabaret icon. If you can't talk to girls about orgasms, who can you talk to them about? The mailman? The person at the deli?

56:15Well, I mean, I do talk to them about that. But who would you talk to them about? I also have orgasms with them.

56:20Ronnie Karam: But hey.

56:24Ronnie Karam: Well, why are you talking about your own orgasms? Oh, I'll tell you. Where do you want me to start? I've got the best orgasms. I've got no problem with talking. I just had an orgasm right now. I had a half a kebab orgasm. It's amazing. Listen, in the Sprinter van, you're on that computer doing, what's that concept? Work. Yes, whatever the W word is. She's like, yes, I was, because I work. Well, guess what? You have to work, work, work, work, work. Work, work, work, work, work. Work, work, work, work. Someone should make a song of that. And Borsha's like, well, I bet if one of us had filled out that damn clipboard, she would have talked to us.

56:58If one of us had just said, hey, I sign up, you would have turned over and been like, hey, What's your date of birth?

57:05Ronnie Karam: All right, let's see what happens. Because I filled out the form. Because, like, you filled out the form? Email us to my office. Email us to my office. We'll take care of it tomorrow. Portia's like, is she trying to kill us? I mean, are you just trying to insure? Like, wait for us to die so you can have us insured? And Portia calls it. Because she's like, I think for Vicky, this is our love language. Clients. That's true. Because when Lisa says, I filled out the form. because Vicky is in the middle of being like, I don't want to talk about orgasms. I don't want to talk about it. And she whips around with a smile being like, you filled it out?

57:38You filled out the form? Finally, we got her to have an orgasm. So, all right, here we are in a very iconic place. It's like, lay down your hair, girl. And if you must, you can steal mine. Like, Bethany.

57:56Ronnie Karam: I'm happy. I'm happy. Look, I'm good. I'm good. It's me, Vicky. This is the Vicky smile. Okay, I'm good. You're not very convincing. Well, you're kind of cutting me down. I don't like being cut down like that. I'm not cutting you down, Jesus Christ! You dumb hooker! I'm very defensive right now. Don't be defensive! Well, I'm telling you I'm defensive right now because you're telling me I'm controlling and I'm not controlling! I want you to not tell me I'm controlling and I want you to do it right there and I want you to do it with your chicken on your plate. I don't think you're controlling. I know you're controlling.

58:25Well, you don't know me. Well, maybe I know you better than you know yourself. She's like, no, you don't know me. And Giselle's like, but when? What makes you think you know her better than anyone else? And Vicky's like, yeah, it's been 24 hours. How about you lay off me for a minute and just have fun? So Giselle's like, Vicky's so bothered by Luanne, but frankly, it's like hilarious. Like, she has like a lot of angry growls. Like, I wonder if she does that in bed, you know? Like, growls. You know, angry growls, right? I'm like a scanner. That's how I know people. I know you. I scanned you. You know what?

59:00You're putting yourself on a pedestal. I'm not putting myself on a pedestal. It's a stage.

59:05Ronnie Karam: And I'm not judging you. You're just an asshole. So everybody's like, guys. If you don't work in an office, I do resent that you compare yourself to a scanner. Okay, that's reserved for my world. So please don't do that. So Kyle's like, you guys are just opposite, okay? So don't worry about it. Well, just relax. Relax where you are. She's like, tell me what to do. Stop telling me what to do. Kyle's like, oh my God. I mean, I just feel like there's like no point in giving these women any advice, which is too bad because having been married for 25 years and celebrated that before I got divorced, I have a lot of advice to give.

59:40So Kyle says, guys, it's only day two. I would like to remind you we're only day two. Isn't this a crazy show that we're filming for America? Only day two. And there's been all this drama already.

59:52Ronnie Karam: So they're still kind of going on about this. and then Portia knocks something over with her butt. Sucks like a dish down with her butt and spills something on the rug. And then Luanne goes, well, don't worry, it's synthetic. It'll dry quickly. This is my sister's hotel, Luanne.

1:00:13Ben Mandelker: And then it gets into like this, like, hey, let's learn how to strip tease and dance and twerk and everything. So Portia starts showing things and she's like, you do this, you do a whiff, do a whiff and then a whiff and then a whiff. and like whiff that's crazy and then kyle's like oh my god let me see what i can do so kyle's now dancing and kyle's doing the splits and kyle's shaking her butt and then lisa's like this is how i do a split and she does her split and everyone's dancing and it's like fun times yeah it's fun girl

1:00:41Ronnie Karam: girl dancing and twerking times porsche's whiff is because she puts her butt in someone's face and then goes whiff that's what a whiff is like uh yeah no so kyle just does the splits and the Yeah. And then they're trying to get Vicky to sexy dance. And of course she won't do it. Kyle's like, guys, it's Vicky's time. We're going to get, we're going to talk dirty to Vicky. We want insurance. We want to buy insurance, Vicky. Yeah, you're gorgeous. Sly batch. Sly. Yeah, come on. We're going to fill out that form. We're going to like fill out that form, Vicky. We're all pre-approved. She's like, stop it.

1:01:21Stop it. It is very sexy language that you're saying, but stop it. You're not going to make me dance. I'm not going to dance.

1:01:26Ronnie Karam: I'll crack up. And Lisa, this is where Lisa's like, you know, I've had so much fun tonight. I haven't laughed this hard. Hold on. Can you guys open the windows?

1:01:42Lisa just starts crying because she's not used to having fun with housewives. and she says you know like normally we get together and i'm ready to have fun but then you're gonna laugh and then somebody wrecked that and it's usually my expense and then we see clip after clip of them coming for lisa and uh she's like this is why you're supposed to have girlfriends so porsha is like yeah because before i even became a housewife i don't know if i told you but i was actually a housewife when i had businesses prior to getting married i sold of them and like why I'd be I just wanted to be wanted what he wanted and like you know I watch you guys on tv and it was like amazing and then you guys came along in this show and then like

1:02:23Ben Mandelker: to be part of it's amazing and we also see clips here of Portia when she was married to Cordell and she's like Cordell wouldn't want me to do this I can't see the strippers Cordell Cordell Cordell so um she's like yeah you guys led the way and um yeah so she's just grateful yeah she's

1:02:41Ronnie Karam: Humble to be in this group. Yeah. She's like, you guys were also inspiring to me. Well, not you, Lisa, because you weren't on TV yet. She's like, yeah, I was now. I was now. But, you know, I inspire you now, right? Yeah. Right? Inspiring children everywhere I go. You know, the other day, I just passed a kindergartner, and I saw one of the little girls drinking tequila. And I thought, you know what? I'm doing my job. I'm doing my job.

1:03:08Ben Mandelker: Leading the way. um so now everyone's getting ready uh the next day and portia calls her mom and she's like oh my god it's been three days this is so much and then kyle's facetiming with sutton who's wearing and kyle's wearing like that infrared mask and sun's like you look like a monster i'll start calling you vera kyle's like um yeah well what are you doing she's like well i'm finishing up little details in my house for all you people to come over and i'm gonna wear couture um but it's going to be an ugly leather pants party in honor of crystal of all people yeah well in honor

1:03:48Ronnie Karam: of the sentence one of sentence most famous lines so um now giselle and lisa are talking about you know everybody's putting on their ugly leather pants basically so then we go over to setten's house and she's with nick her party planner guy that guy really has done a lot of parties on this channel a lot a lot yeah he's been around crystal comes over and she's wearing the same leather pants outfit that she called out for which i love and um her and crystal are getting along still and satan's like what are we doing a flashback are you kidding me the same exact ugly leather pants outfit she's crystal's like yeah i put it on this morning it's and i was like

1:04:30Ben Mandelker: gosh it's kind of ugly it is sort of wild i mean of all the beverly hills housewives that they brought back they brought back crystal but i actually i really do think it's because crystal has been like her profile has really risen in the in the past like two years because she's been like all of a sudden people are like wait a second crystal's actually not like quiet she's like very very very very very chatty and now i think i i do isn't there talk that she's gonna be like a friend of this season on beverly hills is that what they say oh i don't know i thought that's what i think that's what the rumor mill is that crystal might be back in the mix yeah uh so then

1:05:07Ronnie Karam: uh kyle's like oh it's so weird to be at luncheon at settins and i feel like i can exhale and uh you know settin is greeting everybody and this is a very fancy party you know there's like servers and butlers and sutton yeah and vicky is telling us before the before the luncheon starts

1:05:31Ben Mandelker: they're all like mingling i think in the backyard and vicky's talking to crystal having a little conversation etc and vicky tells us i didn't know sudden prior to this um but like for her honoring me it was really special and like i really appreciate it because we see crystal saying like wow vicky you're the one who started like we wouldn't have been here if it hadn't been for you and vicky's like wow that was so nice of sutton to say and they're like that was crystal I don't know who this is the screen is like ding not Sutton

1:06:00Ronnie Karam: yeah I really appreciate it because you know it's true you know if it wasn't for me I like bore season one two you know there would have been no other franchises yeah but what made this show really popular what truly made this show great Jersey and Atlanta Atlanta probably more than Jersey I think Atlanta

1:06:21Ben Mandelker: New York I think started to change I think Tamara was the first big thing that happened. Like you have to admit, Tamara came on and she's like, they're like, we're going to make this show. Well, she was season three, right? Right. So Tamara comes along, New York comes along after that. And New York is really good out of the box. Like out of the gate, out of the box. It's like, whoa, New York's really good. And then Atlanta comes and then that's the moment. It's like, just like a thing. And then by that point, Jersey, you know, the table flip. Now it's just like, everything's locked in. so vicky is like uh yeah by the way the funny like ongoing thing with this show is how little they listen to each other and pay attention to each other so as evidenced by vicky thinking that crystal is sudden as evidenced by like half the things that the man says you know all the time including later this episode they're just also self-involved yeah so um there are place cards because this is a Sutton party.

1:07:17So there's going to be a place card. And Luanne sees that she's next to Vicky. And she's like, I'm moving my card. I'm not sitting next to Vicky. Okay, I need a break. I need a break. I mean, God forbid. What if I eat something and put it down on the wrong plate?

1:07:35Ben Mandelker: So servers are coming out and they're serving food. And Giselle's like, what kind of fish is this? And it's sea bass. So Luanne is like, oh, chic c 'est la vie. That's a reference to one of my iconic hits. Made it to number 50 in the top 500 songs that are below the first 500 songs of America. Thank you. Thank you, everyone.

1:07:57Ronnie Karam: There's like violins and butlers. And everyone's like, wow, this is a little fan. Yeah, Orange County. We just deliver our own lunch to our guests. We don't have weight service, for Christ's sake. I can't even tell any of these people to get a job. They all have them.

1:08:15Ben Mandelker: I guess she has not been in Heather Dubrow's house recently. So Sutton's like, okay, ladies. So you started in Orange County. What was the highlight? Just kidding. There is no highlight in Orange County, but I guess humor me. And so Vicky's like, well, there was a boat. There was a boat. It was hilarious. And there were all these pictures of these women when they looked much better 15 years ago, including Teresa, who looks worse now. She's changed the most. What? Did I say that part out loud? Whoops. Sorry. We went to a place called Quiet Storm

1:08:45Ronnie Karam: Quiet Woman And Dickie's like yeah we were all reliving what happened 20 years ago and we were at the Quiet Woman And we played Belko and I got mad at Crutchett It was hilarious it's iconic It's already going around in the clips Yes and she did a shrine For Slade who told Vicky That she looked like Porky Pig

1:09:11I was like, oh, you made it worse. Porky pig. Yeah, it was Miss Piggy. I was like, yeah, it's Miss Piggy. Oh, God, you're making this worse than it already was. And Portia goes, well, we all do look like some kind of animal. Don't worry about it. He's like, I was a Muppet. I was not a real pig. I was a Muppet doll.

1:09:36Ronnie Karam: By the way, Miss Piggy is beautiful. Of course. I don't like all this. It's always bugged me ever since this season. It's like Miss Piggy's slander. You know, I get why someone wouldn't want to be called Miss Piggy. But imagine how you feel if you're Miss Piggy, that everyone's fighting. Like, oh, God, that's the worst thing. How could anyone? Miss Piggy is the most glamorous fucking thing on that show. You know? Yeah. She's beautiful. She definitely is. Sorry, Miss Piggy. we love you certainly more than

1:10:05Ben Mandelker: what's what's that one I always forget there's this one nevermind there's one Muppet that's really the anti-Miss Piggy I mean you could make Oscar the Oscar the Grouch but does he count as a Muppet the anti-Miss Piggy I don't know but I also love Janice love Janice love Janice there's that one there's that one Muppet it's like sort of snuffleupagus of Jason Muppet the big crazy the big crazy animal animal animals and that's kind of like Vicky who has the

1:10:46Ronnie Karam: growl thing

1:10:47Ben Mandelker: I don't know I'll find out the name don't worry everyone don't bang your steering wheel I'll get the name and I'll say it

1:10:54Ronnie Karam: so they're catching her up on well they're fighting about not fighting but they're talking about this muppet thing And Giselle's like, and then Luanne broke the picture frame and we had Shannon Tamra drama and we're all going to leave that no scene now. And Vicky's like, yeah, because Shadda stole her bed, basically.

1:11:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah, so it turns out that we saw Phil from Bel Air on Orange County, I think last season, actually. I think Phil from Bel Air. Ah, hello. Nice to meet you. I'm just a fun-loving single man who loves to date the ladies. I hope you don't mind traveling to Bel-Air. Because, like, wasn't Phil – didn't Phil, like, pop up on, like, a bowling night or something? Like, there were, like, two guys.

1:11:47Ronnie Karam: No, he was at the first party. Do you remember when they went to that first party and Shannon got into it and then she was eating her food? just like, oh, well, I guess I'll finish my taco.

1:11:59Ben Mandelker: My grill.

1:11:59Ronnie Karam: Or they were like, you left your taco.

1:12:03Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she brought like two of the guys and Phil was one of them. And he thought, oh, that's nice. But now it turns out that Shannon canoodled with Phil and they shared a kiss. At least that's according to Giselle. She's like, she did end up kissing my man, but that's a whole nother story. No, you need to stop. I would never kiss. I was deeply committed to Earl the Pearl. What are you talking about? This is ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

1:12:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, wasn't that when Shannon was like, well, you know, I did meet very nice men like Phil from Love Hotel, but they just don't want to be intimate with me. So, well, I guess that's done, but at least he got a taco at the party.

1:12:52Ben Mandelker: uh well kyle turns the tables on giselle surprisingly she goes yeah but like um weren't you the one who because giselle is saying how shannon violated girl code by going after phil she's like i mean i saw mauricio kyle and i immediately texted you i know what i mean not and kyle's like yeah and then you said you would have laid horizontal with him i just found that out last night because then we see flashback to potomac when uh there are kimisabes and mauricio was there, Giselle is saying how if she weren't married, or if Mauricio weren't married to Kyle, or had that history, she would like to get to know Mauricio horizontally.

1:13:33Yeah, and Teresa's like, wait, wait, can you guys explain horizontal? What's that? Because, like, hold on. Your phone goes vertical.

1:13:43Ronnie Karam: Okay, Teresa, pretend you're still in jail and tilt your head.

1:13:51Ben Mandelker: I love Teresa still like trying to grasp certain basic concepts of direction. Like certain simple things. What's horizontal? So like verticals like that. What, horizontal like that? So what does that mean? Like 69 or something?

1:14:20Ben Mandelker: They're like, sure, yes, sure.

1:14:27Ben Mandelker: So Lisa's like, oh my God, Giselle's in the hot seat. And Giselle's like, oh my God, why do I have red on? So Portia and I did a chat with him. And Portia's like, don't bring me into it. She's like, no, I just, we joked about Mauricio in the past and I was rehashing that joke that you and I had discussed in the past. And yeah, my bad. I apologize for the joke.

1:14:48Ronnie Karam: I mean, it's Mauricio. Everybody wants to fuck Mauricio. Why? I don't really know. Probably the$150 million or whatever he's worth has something to do with it at this point. But Mauricio was voted like the sexiest housewife or the house husband back in the day. So, yeah. So, yeah. We have to revisit. We have to revisit that list. Deal with it. Yeah.

1:15:10Ben Mandelker: Who is on that list? I don't know. But, like, I think it's time to revisit it. I would love to think about who is number one now, nowadays. I have to think about that. Well, Joellen's husband's pretty hot. Yeah, he probably is up there. He's definitely up there. Gertie's husband's really hot. Let's see. There's a lot of cute husbands, but not as many as you would think, actually. I'm trying to go through the hot Rolodex in my head. I know. I'm trying to think. There was Donnie Edwards. He was really hot. and there was lydia's husband who was kind of hot dico i mean come on dico dico's basically

1:16:00Ronnie Karam: walking boner town for sure no ball in house so then um they get a dessert and the desserts are tiny little mice they're like a little mouse and uh kyle's like oh my god i know what this is about let the mouse go thank you kyle

1:16:23so i guess it's a scavenger hunt yeah so it's a game it's called let the mouse go

1:16:30Ronnie Karam: so you're gonna have little clues and you follow the clues and then eventually there's gonna be a cage okay then you're gonna go to the cage and then you're gonna let the mouse go it's my favorite line these instructions are too long just hand them cards and let them go nobody's gonna know how to do this anyway yes so then we just see a big old scavenger hunt which is like you know

1:16:53Ben Mandelker: going through all the great memories and it's all gonna lead towards 25 000 sunglasses so look at dana dana pam making her way into the into girls trip via reference uh that's the clip was great

1:17:07Ronnie Karam: $25 ,000. Did you guys know these glasses? $25 ,000. Yeah. These glasses are $25 ,000. Do you like them? $25 ,000.

1:17:16Ben Mandelker: I was impressed that they included an e-cig as one of the things they had to find. I thought Kyle would not be down for that. And I was just waiting for a slut pig reference, but that never happened. Yeah.

1:17:30Ronnie Karam: So they're all impressed because that's a huge... Do you think they're really $25 ,000? Knowing Sutton, they probably are $25 ,000, but damn.

1:17:38Ben Mandelker: I don't think so. I don't think so. So they go through this for a while, and they just keep finding stuff. And it's a fun trip down memory lane, as we see all the clips. Jamie Lee Curtis holding up a wind chime, and Dorit saying, that is the chicest wind chime I have ever seen, et cetera, et cetera.

1:18:01Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and Crystal wins. The richest person wins the 25 ,000 sunglasses. And there is an actual mouse in a cage out there that they have to let go. It's probably like Avi or something.

1:18:14Ben Mandelker: I thought it was going to be like some amazing cameo. Like the mouse was going to like pull off the mask and it'd be like Lisa Vanderpump. Or someone we just were like, what? I can't. Kim Richards. Hey, guys. You stole my rat cage. Carlton Gebbia would have been amazing.

1:18:32Ronnie Karam: You stole my goddamn rat cage. Yeah, Carlton.

1:18:39that would have been a joy but uh that was pretty cute and yeah um yeah it ends pretty much it right

1:18:46Ben Mandelker: so oh yeah for next week which is gonna be a white party at kyle's place and that looks like where we're gonna get a big collection of women it looks like we're gonna get beverly hills women but also salt lake city women because this girl strip is not going to salt lake cities they obviously are flying them down because you know the salt lake city women they love a regional flight and so they're coming into Beverly Hills for this party and we'll see how it goes. And we just see little clips of drama

1:19:15Ronnie Karam: happening with Whitney and Giselle and then Erica, Luann, she goes, Kyle says, have you said hi to Luann yet? And Erica goes, how are you? She's like, good, how are you? Good, thank you. And she walks away and Erica goes, you fucking kidding me? My theory is correct. she's a bitch

1:19:38Ben Mandelker: it's just a shame that two women with such strong voices can't come together and make a great song I mean if Mariah Whitney could have done it well two off keys don't make sorry what were you saying two off keys don't make a harmony I guess a flat and a flat just keeps it flat yeah double flat there we go everyone thanks for being here fun times we will be doing Atlanta next so stick around for that and we'll catch you on our next episode bye everyone bye watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors ain't no thing like alice and king our way is the amber way it's the foster and the furious it's amanda foster it's always automatic with ashley auto put your hands together for carly clap get on the right foot with chrissy offutt we never miss her call it's diane call big yay it's emily gauthier aaron mcnicholas she don't miss no tricolus hovin agila weber you'll never hide from heidi eleanor jones it's no bs we love hugo es

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