#3503 RHOA S17E19: No Lies Detected

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3:45Ben Mandelker: Last but not least, we have Amazon Live later today. Hopefully you catch it in time where this goes up in time. If not, we're there. And we do that every Monday at 1.30 West Coast time, 4.30 East Coast time. So that's that. Reunion part two. What did you think, Ronnie?

4:02Ronnie Karam: This show's so funny. I love Atlanta. Reunions are always hilarious. And they go at each other so hard. And then they're laughing with each other. And then they go to each other really hard again. And they go really low. It's like, your mama's a hoe. Or whatever. And then they're all cracking up and laughing and like dancing to Cynthia's new song, which, I mean, of course, a bunch of new Housewives music has come out this year, too, which I'm grateful for.

4:30Ben Mandelker: By the way, how did they not have that song available on streaming right away? Because I went to look it up. I was like, I'm adding this. Wasn't there? Couldn't find it. Huh. But yeah, I agree. So funny. Usually the second episode in a reunion can be a little bit like lesser. it's usually they come out of the gate strong in episode one they end big with episode three and the middle middle episodes where they sort of deal with storylines that are not as important or not as interesting or whatever it's like the bridge more boring this episode the more bore

5:00Ronnie Karam: more boring lines and yeah we did it they did stick to tradition because this was the pinky episode and i was like oh my god poor pinky really got shoved in the second hour but it was still a

5:12Ben Mandelker: very entertaining it was hilarious i thought it was funnier than the first hour personally i mean And I was cracking up. Also, by the way, I think Pinky has been a great addition to this season. And I think that she doesn't quite get enough credit. I think people like her. I think that at the beginning of the season, I think a lot of the attention was on K. Michelle. And a lot of talk was about K. Michelle. And people were like, Pinky tries hard, yada, yada, yada. I think Pinky holds her own. I think she's very funny. I think there's, you know, she's flawed. But we need them to be flawed. And I think she's a great find.

5:46Ben Mandelker: And I think that she and K. Michelle really have brought this show to life. And rumors are that Shamia is out. I don't know if that's true or not. I genuinely feel bad for Shamia. I think she is out of her element. And I feel like you can see her just not knowing what to do. She's just at her wit's end. And I just feel like she needs to go reclaim her mental health somewhere else. Because I feel like this show is going to destroy her.

6:15Ronnie Karam: Well, I think she's trying it. She still keeps trying and it just keeps failing. And she's just so frustrated. And you can see that kind of like, oh, well, I guess I lost that one too. You know, over and over. But man, she just, she keeps trying it with everybody and twisting things. I don't really feel bad for her. I think that she does. I mean, I always liked Shamia, but I think she does so much of this to herself. And we see her do it over and over again in these reunions. And I'm like, why do you keep running up against the same wall? Why are you punching a wall? You're never going to win this fight.

6:50Ronnie Karam: And she's just so not good at it. But, I mean, I don't walk away really feeling bad for her. I just feel like, okay, that was fine. Bye. Next. But she's part of this cast. And they've given us a great reunion. Yeah.

7:08Ben Mandelker: We begin the episode with Cynthia joining the group. And Andy's like, America's friend, Cynthia Pally. She comes out, looks fantastic as usual. And Andy is like, all right, we have a question. Cynthia, you joined at just a great moment. We had a break, but here it is. Dries Dura from Atlanta asks, Shamia, what was your intention in telling K. Michelle that the women didn't want her to be friends with the rest of the group?

7:38Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and she's like, well, to be clear, it was never about the women in this group. It was about another group of women that I'm friends with that hates K. Michelle. And I was telling her that she's lucky that I'm her friend because they don't want me to be her friend. It was totally different. I mean, I don't even know why she was upset.

7:54Ben Mandelker: And Andy's like, well, let's talk about this group. And she's like, yeah, well, when it came to that, it was brought up to Pinky. And I was like, that doesn't have anything to do with this group. And Portia actually really clocks this. She's like, it does have to do with this group. She goes, if I may insert myself, which is funny because no one has ever said that before they answered themselves on this show or any other show i think it does have to do with this group because i feel like it sounds like a little manipulative to touch something that you have been hurt by and constantly tell you that people who have heard you before and it feels that way and i think she was 100 right it's like k michelle was really impacted by her love and hip-hop group and uh shamia kind of played on that, whether intentionally or not, but like she did.

8:37Ben Mandelker: And so it does matter that Kay had this experience with this other show because it's affecting her experience on this show.

8:44Ronnie Karam: And Portia's like, you know, it feels like manipulation and isolation because before Kay even really got with us, you know, she was feeling, she even said she was feeling guarded. And Shamia's like, well, but this wasn't before she got with everybody. And yeah, Shamia, that's her point. Yeah. So then Kay Michelle's like, absolutely, but this is why we got into it because you keep saying that you just said it that day but you were consistently saying it throughout our friendship and you're asking me to be loyal to you and this friend group. And Shamia's like, right, exactly.

9:20Ben Mandelker: So Kay Michelle's like, for me, yeah. But you're asking me to be loyal and everything. So Portia's like, so Shamia's like, I asked you to be loyal and to be a real friend and be a good friend. And I did. I did say that. And Portia's, but that's literally what I said. That's the beginning of starting an alliance. And Kim is just like, I didn't try to be your friend first. You try to be mine. So I don't want you to do me any favors. And Samia's like, but what do you mean you didn't try to be my friend? She's like, if you ever have to guess between me and someone else, you better choose them. If you ever have to guess.

9:53Ben Mandelker: But I also want to say there was like a good like large chunk of this reunion that went by so fast. and there was so much crosstalk that I like, I fully was like, I don't know necessarily what's happening. I'm just laughing and I'm enjoying it. I just want everyone to know. So I had to rewind a lot of times

10:10Ronnie Karam: because, you know, there was so much over-talking, but every time I rewound, I started laughing because I would hear what a different person was saying in the group. Yeah, I would hear a different little line. But Shamia, the whole point is, she's like, but I did ask you to be loyal. What's so wrong about that? The point is, is that you told her everybody in this other group hates you and I'm still loyal to you. I'm your friend and I want loyalty. But being friends with a whole group of people that hates her isn't really being her friend anyway. I mean, it's not like you can't have other friends, but like you're sitting around hanging out with this group and you're like, well, they don't want me to be friends with you and I still am.

10:50Ronnie Karam: So I'm a good friend. But I would be thinking, but you're sitting around a bunch of people who are shit talking me constantly. Like, how's that supposed to make me want to be more loyal to you i don't know the whole argument is weird and shimia won't even get it at all that they're saying yeah but that's a manipulation tactic to say everyone else hates you but me but she's like but i do want loyalty what's wrong with that oh jesus i just also want to say this is classic cynthia where they bring cynthia out and then it's not cynthia for like what 10 minutes or something yeah she exactly watches everybody else do their thing so then and he's like well

11:27Ben Mandelker: you said there was some off-camera event that happened. So she's like, well, Mr. Randy, this is what happened. Okay. She looked me in my face and she looked me in the face. Right. I don't even have two cups of whiskey. I was just like, I was on a half of one. Okay. And like, she looked me in the face and she is standing right there. And did I remind you? She looked me in the face. And then furthermore, she looked me in the face. All right. All right. She looked you in the face. So what happened? And when was this? It's about a week ago. And everyone's like, whoa. She's like, and she looked me in the face.

11:56Ben Mandelker: and she was like, I'm going to bring up some things and I'm going to say I'm going to answer and if I'm going to change my mind, I'll be crazy. That's what she did when she looked me in the vice.

12:06Ronnie Karam: Not like an attorney does before their client. And Shamia's like, well, I'm glad I wasn't the only person there because I do need a witness here. And they're like, well, who else was there? Kelly, of course, was there. So there's a witness. There's your witness. Shamia's witness is, of course, Kelly. So Andy asked Kelly what happened And she's like, you know, I really don't want to be in the middle of this one. And Andy's like, you are. You're quite literally in the middle. You're sitting in between them and you're in the middle. So just do it. Okay. We'd rather be.

12:39Ben Mandelker: Kelly, who looks like she's wearing a warped abacus on her back, is like, I just don't want to be in the middle of this. So they're like, okay.

12:46Ronnie Karam: You're standing in the middle of your dress. It's like a huge circle going around your head.

12:52Ben Mandelker: So Kelly is like, okay, well, we were having dinner. And Cynthia goes, to talk about the reunion? And she goes, and they're like, it was a meeting. Yeah, it was a meeting to talk about the reunion, which is funny as if they don't all do it. But Kelly goes, well, you know, I hadn't seen Kay in forever because, you know, she's been touring and we had a beautiful dinner and it became very heated. And I think both parties said a lot of things. And again, this has been the thing that always cracks me up on these shows is that when they have to tell a story seriously, they all try to sound like lawyers.

13:21Ben Mandelker: Both parties said a lot of things. You don't have to say parties.

13:24Ronnie Karam: you're not in the court both parties said what transpired mean and yeah some things occurred that probably shouldn't have occurred in the transpiring of the situation on the date and time

13:37Ben Mandelker: of it's just so funny like every reality star does this when they want to be taken seriously they they pull out like they're like fake legal language they learn from watching an episode of picket fences in 1994. It's like, well, what transpired from both parties, and I'd like to make an amendment to my thoughts on this, is that, you know, something's occurred that probably shouldn't have happened.

14:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Also, Kelly's so fine to be messy and just tell it like it is with every single situation, but then this one, she's like, well, the parties involved have decided where then to... So, okay, Michelle's like, well, she was looking at me dead in my face i'm telling you she was in my face she looked straight in my face mr andy and she was lying and i was looking at her and he's like what about what lying about can someone tell me what happened and k michelle's like well she was just saying you know about the other friends like i never told you that i told you that what that one time i never said this or my mother had on this she didn't have on that you were saying my mama had on the wrong outfit that she had on i was wrong we're going back and forth and kind of trying to read what the fuck this lady is talking about i guess she didn't like the way that k michelle was relaying stories and she's like you're saying that my mom is in some club that 2 a.m with her boobs up to her chin and she was basically in a business suit like what are you talking about but the way that k michelle relays is like mama i had on this she didn't have on that and then i told you this one time and i told

15:11Ben Mandelker: the camera show's little gestures and she's saying, I just had to do this. And she like puts her like fist, she sort of moves her fist down towards her thighs. And I said, and I said, I hit that table. And I said, you're going to stop lying. You're going to stop lying. She was right. She looked me right in the face. I just want to reiterate, she was looking me right in the face. And Drew goes, so she said she hit the table. She goes, and that's what I did. I said, Kelly, I was like, we're sisters. And she, Shamia, she was like, you're going to hop on me. And I was like, I'm not going to touch you.

15:37Ben Mandelker: But I hopped on my sis, my real sister. You know what I'm saying? And then I went like this again. She was in my face, and then some food came over, and then someone had another table, and a lot was on. I remember there was a lot on the restaurant. What else was there, Mr. Andy? I can't remember now.

15:50Ronnie Karam: What the hell was the story? So basically, she got into it with Shamia. We don't really know why. Something about the mom and the friends, and Shamia was lying. So Kay Michelle started beating the table, and then hopped up and came for Shamia. And Shamia's like, yeah, she was punching her fist, and getting in my face, and saying she would beat my ass. And she's like, oh, I was not doing this. I would not punch my hand. There she goes. She's lying again, Mr. Andy. Well, you did hop up, hit the table, and get in her face though. So why are you acting like this was so unison? Kay Michelle

16:24Ben Mandelker: cracks me up, man. I mean, I love her. And Shamia, I think the issue is that it sounds like Shamia did not like the way Kay Michelle characterized Shamia's mom being at the club until 2 a.m., like boobs out and whatever, and like partying. And so that sounds like Shamia was confronting K. Michelle about that. And then they had words about it. And then Shamia is like showing how K. Michelle was in her face and was like, she wasn't gonna punch me. But she did like a clap and like hands behind the back and everything. And they're all like, oh, wow. Oh, my God. And Shamia says, you know, she was saying, I'll fight you.

17:02Ben Mandelker: I'll fight you. And Kelly's like, no, how the fuck did I get in it? Right. And Shamia is like, did you not do this to me? I mean, I'm just saying. And at this point, I'm assuming from what I could track in the story, this was K. Michelle did this to Shamia. But was it that K. Michelle did this to Kelly? I'm not even sure. No, no.

17:22Ronnie Karam: Because she was doing it to Shamia, but then Shamia starts imitating it. So she jumps up and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, sit back down. Don't start anything. So then she sits back down. But then she's like, oh, this is what she did. And she starts fighting Kelly. And Kelly's like, wait, why did I get in it?

17:37Ben Mandelker: why am i in this now so then yeah shamia's like you did this you did this in front of me and then k michelle goes well i did put up my pointer and i said you're gonna stop lying you're gonna stop this line and shamia's like well anyway let me tell you how we got into that no and that's what i said i'm gonna put my finger out don't you please everyone mr andy i'd like that i'd like

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20:16Ronnie Karam: Shami is like, okay, anyway, well, let me just tell you how we got into it. Nah, because that's what I said. I put my finger out. I put my finger out. I said it. And Shami is like, yeah, she got really mad. Yeah, I did, because you were looking at my face and you were lying. You were lying. She's like, because every time she said something, and Angela's like, well, people get mad that you're lying. That's why. Because you keep lying.

20:38Ben Mandelker: And then we have Shamia going, I'm not talking to you. And she's like, I don't care. You're lying. Shamia goes, I would like to speak. We started talking about things that I had watched on the episode. So, you know, I saw where K. Michelle said that we came at 2 in the morning to the club. and it pissed me off because I know how my mom's being painted to look, right? And Kim Michelle's like, but your mama literally was there. And Shamia's like, one second.

21:04Ronnie Karam: One second, let me finish. I said, Kay, look at this video. This is 1150 something. We weren't coming at two in the morning. And she said, okay, well, fine. So I got her on time. Well, you know what? It was my pointer finger that I was pointing at you. Don't you dare laugh at my finger.

21:19Ben Mandelker: She goes, either way, my mama, don't be dancing. no hookah lounge in the middle of Atlanta in her white suit talking about hallelujah God, Porsche and Jezebel. I mean, it is a funny distinction, like Shamia being like, how could you make it sound like my dear sweet daycare having mother was out at the club until two in the morning. She was there almost at midnight. It's like, that still sounds kind of crazy if you ask me.

21:46Ronnie Karam: Okay, Michelle's like, yeah, but your mom was dancing in a hookah lounge calling Portia a Jezebel, and that was the point. So I died with this. I love calling Portia a Jezebel, and everyone's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And so Portia goes, calling who a Jezebel? And Kay Michelle's like, well, I really do have you saying it. I do, Shamia, I do. And Shamia's like, come on, I'm getting upset now. And Andy's like, oh, who was she calling a Jezebel? Oh God, here we go.

22:17Ben Mandelker: It's like, your mama's calling me a Jezebel? Your mama's a Jezebel. She's like, my mama did not say that. You believe that? You keep talking about me when you're with her. You instantly believe that? Yeah, because Kay's telling me. And she's like, my mama never called you a Jezebel. And then Kay Michelle's like, yes, she did. She said, like her mama. She's Jezebel like her mama. That's a double Jezebel.

22:44Ben Mandelker: Don't piss Kay Michelle off.

22:46Ronnie Karam: She and Shamia were friends the whole season, and now she is just throwing her under the bus. I was dying. Yeah, she's ages like her mama. And Shami is like, oh, and you believe that? And K-Michelle's like, oh, you're not going to make me look crazy when I've had your back. How are you supposed to be relied on as having anyone's back, K-Michelle?

23:09Ben Mandelker: Well, she told me many things that you've said about with your mother. And so Shami goes, well, she got mad and she said, you're not going to make me look crazy like the rest of these bitches make me look crazy. I'm like, hey, I'm not going to do that to you. She's like, yeah, well, because you're lying. Your mother FaceTimed your father in that club. They said, we've got two decibels we've got to point out.

23:31Ronnie Karam: And to me, it's like, you're making stuff up. She's like, no, I am not. I am not. Okay, then how do I know about the pipe? And everyone's like, what? The pipe? What does that mean? Uh-huh. Yeah, because listen to this. Your mother called her father to fix a pipe in the house.

23:48Ben Mandelker: So it was like an old school porn scene I know How do you think I know about the Cheerios? You guys just bought some Cheerios last time you went to the supermarket How do you think I know about that? Think about that for once

24:01Ronnie Karam: I was dying at the thought of Miss Diane being like Show me his daddy I've got a pipe that needs to be fixed In my house

24:11Ben Mandelker: Yes I love some old school porn That's hilarious Andy's like let's leave the moms out of it. How about that? She's like, but I don't even know what that is. I don't even know what she's talking about. Oh, her mother's a goddamn liar. Your mama's a goddamn liar. And Angela goes, my discernment was right.

24:31Ronnie Karam: You keep my motherfucking mother's name out of your mouth and mine. You keep my mom and my name out of your motherfuck... Here we go, Sumia, with her you are arguments. and Abby's like alright alright alright okay so the two of you had dinner what did you eat? I love dinner

24:51Ben Mandelker: it was a bad dinner was the waiter hot? tell me everything and Kim Michelle's like well my thing is that I've always opened to try again and start but like I've had your back the whole season and she goes and I've had yours and I'm going to continue to be around Shamia but like get to know her but they won't trust her she's showing me that she can't be trusted and I'm not doing that Like,

25:14Ronnie Karam: Sumia's like, well, I don't want to be close to somebody that's going to try to fight me when I don't agree with them. Well, Kelly's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, guys, I just, I hate to see you going back and forth. I think both parties could come to a resolution through arbitration.

25:31Ben Mandelker: I'd like to make a motion to dismiss this tension, please. so then basically kelly's like i just don't think you should allow the noise from the other sofa to put you in the relationship that you have already to pour into the relationship and then of course the other sofa's like oh wow all they're talking about us so it's so funny that she accused the other sofa of noise but then she actively creates it so angela's like the noise that's coming from next to you stop with the bully stuff stop with that ball is up. What? We don't even have anything to do with it. There's no accountability if I've ever seen it.

26:08Ronnie Karam: You're sitting next to the noise. And Kelly's like, Angela, I'm so sick of you. I'm so sick of you. So, okay, Kelly, you should just speak to Kay and Shamia and leave everybody out of it. Okay. Well, my decision and us getting into it, there was no one else there but us, so they had nothing to do with it. It had nothing to do with them. It had to do with this. She was looking me straight in my face. And I had a finger up. And it was my pointer finger.

26:34Ben Mandelker: Okay, conclusion. Face, pointer. That's it, really. So Andy says, he's like, All right, all right, all right, all right.

26:43Ronnie Karam: So Angela is just on to going for Kelly. She's coming for Kelly. Just doing Angela things. Like, oh, really? What, you're a fraud? Oh, really? You're going to rebuild your life now? What, do you live on the street? Are you homeless, baby? are you homeless? She's like, not at all, baby. Are you homeless? You're frying chicken out of Shamia's house. Does that make you homeless?

27:08Ben Mandelker: I'm not homeless at all. Is that all that you've got about Shamia's house? You're like, that's a lot. That's a lot. You have to admit that frying the chicken in Shamia's house is a pretty good one. She's like, stop it. No, you're about to lose your restaurant, the one Drew didn't visit.

27:22Ronnie Karam: And she's like, who told you that? She's like, the courts, baby. Oh, really? Well, do you even know how to open a business? Do you have a business? She's like, multiple, multiple. It's like, what business? Multiple. Well, nobody on that sofa has a brick and mortar. So how about that? I just won the brick and mortar fight.

27:43Ben Mandelker: Oh, I'd like to say something about brick and mortar, please. This does make me pine for Ladies of London and how this entire fight, the Ladies of London will be like, oh, disgusting. Why would we have a business?

27:58Ronnie Karam: yeah exactly they're like no one else here works and he's like why would we disgusting who brags about having to work

28:10Ben Mandelker: what am i a yemen so um so kelly is like her big thing is that no one has a brick and mortar so pager's like oh i know i she goes okay i know you're lying hoe as a portion. A portion like, you're making millions online, girl. Bye. Like, stop complaining about the, stop trying to use brick and mortar. And Cynthia goes, the Bailey Wine Cellar. Hello?

28:38Ronnie Karam: I didn't know that place was still around.

28:41Ben Mandelker: Me neither. Bailey Wine Cellar. We'll have to go there next time when we go to Atlanta.

28:49Ronnie Karam: So, they're having a brick and mortar. So, Pedro's saying, well, I have several careers. I'll put my bank account to go up against anybody. And Pinky's like, my baby doesn't like all this noise. Oh, don't worry. It's your turn soon, Pinky. So Drew's like, just make sure you pay your bills. And Kelly goes, sell your wigs. They're like, oh, actually, that's not really a diss because that's a successful business.

29:15Ben Mandelker: So now it's time to finally say hello to Cynthia now that she's actually come out. So Andy's like, 20 minutes into it. I know. It's like, it's the prince. You actually sang the song on the mid-season trailer. Let's play it. So they play this EDM song. And Andy just sits back in his chair and starts fist pumping. He's like,

29:39Ronnie Karam: It was a clip of Andy dancing at a Grateful Dead concert in a tie-died shirt. It was so funny. And they all cheer and start dancing around to it and stuff. and it's the peach life. The song is the peach life. And it ends with her, or the beat comes when she goes, now what else is going on?

30:03Ben Mandelker: It's good. I like it personally. Andy really loses his mind. He definitely took some Molly right before this segment. So then Andy is like, all right, well, that was fun. Pinky, as soon as you appeared on our screens, you gave us full transparency and left no word unsaid, blah, blah, blah. Pinky segment starts now. So we see her life. And he asks where things stand with bankruptcy. And she says, you know, it's embarrassing at first. And I'm sure everyone can agree. And I'm almost at the finish line. And it's like a rebirth. And if I had to do it again, I would. Because you know what? US bankruptcy code is a tool.

30:44Ben Mandelker: And I'm sure that there are some ladies that will probably do it in the future as well. And Phaedra does not like this one bit. And she starts bringing up a point that like um i think you're being pretty rosy about this because there were a lot of african-american investors who lost money on on you she said you had investors that

31:02Ronnie Karam: gave you 25 million dollars and she's like well i had white investors too thank you very much i i screwed everybody over equally thank you though thank you phaedra and she's like but there were plenty of african-american investors and she's like okay well more white than black so now so yeah so there and phaedra's like well you're taking this pretty lightly and calling it a tool a tool well it is a tool and i'm going to tell you why it's a tool because people really don't even know the story would happen because i'm a professional and i protected a lot of people and it's none of your business and so pink is trying to sell this like i am a hero i have i All these people are getting screwed over in their money, and it's because I am a business hero, and I will not be teaching business lessons.

31:52Ronnie Karam: And they're like, what? What are you talking about? She doesn't say she's going to teach business lessons, but she's giving herself a very inspirational way of regaling us with this story.

32:04Ben Mandelker: I actually was not that anti-pinky on this situation. I understand what Phaedra was saying, which is like, look, there are people out here who are trying to build generational wealth. It's an issue in our country. disparity, especially white people, black people, there are systems in place that make it hard to build generational wealth. You can't take that lightly. And when people invest in you, you have to take that very seriously and you have to treat that money very carefully. So I understand Phaedra's point. I also think that Pinky was just trying to put a positive spin on, like, yeah, it sucked.

32:37Ben Mandelker: But actually, bankruptcy gave me a path to actually just start. to start like I didn't I what rather than being bogged down and just like destroyed by it bankruptcy code allowed me to like get my get myself back on my feet yada yada yada and I kind of feel like they both were right but I I don't know I just I just sort of saw it as thinking

32:56Ronnie Karam: trying to give what'd you say I don't see pinky as being I mean pinky the lawsuits are like spending money that you're taking for your business on your personal life style yeah and then she's saying well I don't even get a salary from this business. So it's like, well then who is paying for your lifestyle? Because some, you know, you've got a pretty good life. So there's something really fishy. And then Pinky's trying to word this, like she's a huge hero. And Phaedra's, she's like, this could happen to you. And Phaedra's like, well, not really. Cause I'm self-funded. And she's like, well, let me teach you about business.

33:29Ronnie Karam: I was like, Pinky, you're not in the place right now to be saying that. And yeah, Phaedra's like, what do you, you, you can't teach me business. I've been burying people. one year and playing flute the next year. And I'm a lawyer sometimes. I love you.

33:45Ben Mandelker: She's like, okay, well then go win some cases then if you're very successful. How about that? She goes, well, what cases did I lose? She goes, call Bobby Brown. She's like, okay, well call Bobby Brown. If I was a bad attorney, baby, I was with Bobby Brown for eight years. And I think he could have replaced me. And like, I feel like this is the first time in a while we really seen Phaedra kind of activated probably since the traders. And so it was really nice to see Phaedra, you know, Phaedra being the Phaedra we know that's in there who has like a quick tongue and is going to read someone for filth.

34:13Ben Mandelker: But Pinky also is good at that, and so I really enjoy this back and forth

34:17Ronnie Karam: between the two of them. I think that Pinky's just not good at it. I mean, I hate to disagree with you on so much. You can disagree. I don't care. But Pinky, I think, was getting so, she just can't take it. And she's trying. Like, she is, she's putting in the work as far as arguing back and standing up for herself, but she's so ruffled. And then Phaedra's just so calm. She's like, call Bobby Brown. And Pinky's like, well, if you didn't know anything about the restaurant business, they don't last past three years. And she's like, what is the profit margin for radioactive burgers? She's like, well, they don't last past three years.

34:53Ronnie Karam: So for me to be able to do what I did in a matter of eight years and then open up 14 locations and positively make money, I made $20 ,000 to$30 ,000 a year, and that's very impressive. so nobody knows my yeah but they're like so many closures and look i guess somebody wants to stand up for their for their business and stuff but being like teach me business and i've had 14 businesses it's just not the argument right now you know maybe after your comeback story if you have a a slutty vegan that like it goes crazy again and it does really well or something and you come back, then you can come back in with this.

35:32Ronnie Karam: But right now it's just. Yeah.

35:36Ben Mandelker: I think that pinky does make a good point later on. And by the way, I think I don't know about the lawsuits that really are plaguing pinky. Like, I don't know if this is a situation where she like took people's money and then like really kind of abused that. So that's why to me, I'm like, I can't, I can't speak to that. I just think that like, you know, I think she was just trying to put on a positive spin about this experience. I thought it was like, I didn't think it was like such a, like a big crime to, to try to put a positive spin on it, um, to just like be moving forward and like, no, I'm positive.

36:07Ben Mandelker: I'm going to get myself back on the ground. But here, but what I'd like about Pinky is that she may not read as well as Phaedra, but she's very quick with her responses in a way that I never could be. And I'm always just so in awe of people who put on the spot, aren't like, which is what I would do. And Pinky just like, just throw stuff right back and the two of them go right back and forth each other back and forth and uh Phaedra is like yeah don't you like you're being braggadocious and you uh you need to pay your damn bills and she's like I'm not gonna brag I'm gonna uplift uplift and Andy you're the only person I haven't you know I haven't given an idea yet and so Phaedra is like and I'm sure Andy doesn't need another idea and I'm gonna come to you with an idea okay and he's like well you said bankruptcy is a tool and I think it could be perceived that you're being flip about bankruptcy or using it as a crutch.

36:54Ben Mandelker: And she's like, well, what do you want me to do? I mean, people are going to judge me no matter what. They're going to have an opinion. And guess who I stand to represent? All the people who have ever lost anything. They can look at me and say, you know what? If Pinky did it, I'm going to do it.

37:09Ronnie Karam: Everybody filed bankruptcy. If she did it, I'm going to do it. Well, I mean, I don't know. The bankruptcy part. but um so angela's like well it does come off as kind of hypocritical and i think that that's a good point that they're all making is like the the issue is that you come in here bragging about well i i spend eight eighty thousand dollars in a minute or whatever while all this stuff is going on so pinky's like well it can come across exactly however you want it doesn't matter and she's like well i want to piggyback on what phaedra said as far as people were hurt and she She goes, people were hurt about what?

37:46Ronnie Karam: It's like, well, if people invested in your business and like if people invested in my business and I lose the money, then I lost their money. And she goes, Red Lobster filed for bankruptcy. Bed Bath & Beyond filed for bankruptcy. Heinz filed for bankruptcy. Every day. It doesn't make it any different.

38:03Ben Mandelker: Sonia Morgan filed for bankruptcy with her movie deal, right? I did like her elevating herself to Red Lobster and Bed Bath & Beyond. Heinz? I did not know that Heinz filed for bankruptcy. That's surprising to me. Red Lobster, okay, I get it. Bed, Bath & Beyond, I get it. Like Bed, Bath & Beyond killed by, you know, online e-tailing. Red Lobster, I don't know why. Red Lobster killed by a VC, but Heinz ketchup?

38:31Ronnie Karam: You know, but they didn't get away easily either. I mean, they're still beat upside the head about it every day. You know, it's the only way to get the ketchup out of there. so um angela's like well you don't see them telling people they can buy people's foreclosed house and that's the point you know but hypocrisy is kind of a housewives thing

38:54Ben Mandelker: heinz ketchup did not file for bankruptcy it was a rival to heinz ketchup that filed for bankruptcy so there you go everyone how about that oh damn so um porsche's like listen pinky i think you're

39:09Ronnie Karam: 100 % correct. And the only part that might be missing here is you saying, I really hate that I lost people's money. It doesn't sound good for something for you to be... It's part of it. You should just admit to that and say that.

39:26Ben Mandelker: And Pinky is like, well, I think you have a misconception because of what you see on social media. Because every single store that I opened cost almost$900 ,000. And everything that I said that I was going to do with my money, I did. And that wasn't the problem. My problem is that I had the wrong people running my company. And we're going to have a history lesson because when white people file for bankruptcy, you know what happens? High five, great job, go start another business. But when a black person does it, you're a problem and you're a failure. And Portia's like, no, we're not saying that.

39:52Ben Mandelker: And she's like, and they're like, no, it's not true. It's not true. And they're just like saying, look, just be just like acknowledge that you've lost people's money. And so, okay, Michelle's Well, it might look like look like hard online, but I've seen I've been up with her through the night and she has cried and been upset about it and how it's going on. She was in my face crying in my face and how she is presented to her social media. You know, she doesn't want to see them to see her cry. She's not going to do that. But I know for a fact I've sat her with this woman and she has been in tears about this.

40:24Ronnie Karam: I want to correct myself before I even get in trouble about these lawsuits, because I'm looking it up as we're talking about this and I can't find. And OK, let me see. Public records focus on corporate and personal debt restructuring rather than criminal or civil allegations of misusing disaster loans for personal use. So I don't know that she was using it for personal use. This is the one that's coming up as a four million dollars in debt, such as a one point to covid-19 economic injury disaster loan and stuff like that. But so most of it is business relief loans, unpaid rent, and state taxes.

41:03Ronnie Karam: And then creditors and landlords filed separate lawsuits for unpaid commercial rent and late fees. And then she has some employee tip, like employees were accusing them of stealing tips and stuff like that. So just to correct it. I won't read all of them sitting here all day. But so, yeah. So Kay Michelle says that. And Pink is like, thank you. Thank you for standing up for me. And she's like, and she's doing whatever she can in order to reverse it. And Kelly is like, well, nobody wants to highlight their failures, you know. But you, you know, what you did with bankruptcy, at least you took that failure and took it into a lesson for multiple entrepreneurs.

41:43Ronnie Karam: And, you know, people look at bankruptcy as frowned upon, but you're changing it. You know, I mean, Angela was just filing for bankruptcy last season. She's like, I never did it.

41:55Ben Mandelker: yeah suddenly angela angela's like no i would never do something as shameful as that i mean i do think that they're being they are stigmatizing bankruptcy like i think a little bit more than than i think it seems necessary i don't know i think i mean there's different shades of it right like i think there are some people who take people's money and then plunder it and then the company goes bankrupt and they walk away they're fine and then other people left being like, where's my money? Like, I think that happens all the time. And it's like really shitty when that happens. I think there's also cases where people are just like entrepreneurs, they're at a small business, they're trying to make it work and it doesn't, it falls apart and they lose all their money and they have to file for bankruptcy.

42:35Ronnie Karam: And it's not my family filed bankruptcy. It's something that happens. I'm not even, I'm personally not shaming bankruptcy. I think that their point is you are coming on here and you're shading other people and fighting with other it's like it's hypocrisy on her end you know that like when it's her it's like oh you know there's bankruptcy but then she has all these braggy moments about money and then she's yeah i don't know i think they're calling more the hypocrisy rather than shaming the bankruptcy because this is real housewives it's not the first and it's not the last who's going to file bankruptcy it's kind of like when erica went through all when tom was going through all of his legal issues and erica's still going through hers erica has years of being such a snot about money and being like oh i have so you know i'm so rich that when it turned out to be kind of a house of cards you know people are going to give her more shit about it yeah so phaedra is like how

43:33Ben Mandelker: is that how does your husband have money and your kid's dentist bill is on your bankruptcy well i fought for bankruptcy should i be ashamed about it and like no no no and angela's like but you're saying to me that you could buy my foreclosed houses. And this is the hypocrisy that you're talking about. And he goes, and well, you call me Papa Smurf. And then you said I was Mr. Clean. You said I had a wife in the basement. And Angela's like, after all this stuff. And Cynthia's like, okay, hello, I am America's friend. I'm going to clear this up. I have been involved in the restaurant industry through my ex, right?

44:07Ben Mandelker: My ex-ex, my ex-ex-ex. You know who I'm talking about. He has a new girlfriend now. Please don't look it up. so i know how difficult it is and i understand all these things but another one we shouldn't

44:16Ronnie Karam: be looking to as well i know the restaurant business because of peter right but one yikes peter's bro peter's bro so also pinky's saying like well you called me papa smurf and mr clean well at the beginning of the episode when andy was like what were your favorite parts of the season she's like that fight with angela where she called papa smurf and mr clean and now she's

44:41Ben Mandelker: like this is the most hurtful thing so say this like our like i guess we're just confused do you have money or do you not have money and she's like well i wouldn't have been cast on this show if i didn't have money and then andy's like i mean we don't check bank accounts and everything and she's like well just like people are gonna pick us apart with everything we say that question pinky and because well i've been getting picked apart way before the housewives like okay well I'm just saying.

45:09Ronnie Karam: That's why you were cast. It's not because you were rich. It's because they smelled blood in the water. That's what housewives producers do. They're like, get someone who thinks they're on top, who's about to fall so we can make money off of their downfall. You know? And she's like, I was cast because of my money. No. You were cast because they Googled you. Yeah.

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48:32Ben Mandelker: So, Pinky, I love you, and I apologize for starting the rumor that you ate meat because you went to a steakhouse and have a private menu that's vegan.

48:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I'm sorry that I accused you of that when you were just supporting a place that serves a ton of meat.

48:50Ben Mandelker: And then Shamia apologizes to Phaedra because Shamia said that Pinky was eating meat at a Jamaican restaurant when she was merely serving it.

49:03Ronnie Karam: My gosh. So Phaedra's like, but the thing is, Pinky has never apologized to me. And I knew Pinky. We've done a business together. I mean, you have my number, but, you know, you drugged me. You drugged me. I was like, uh-oh, not again. You prayed for my wigs. You said I eat cadavers. You never apologize. And she's like, and I'm not going to. And first of all, something that's not discussed, Andy, is she called the higher-ups on me. And Phaedra's like, but tell him why. She goes, oh, I will. She said, I made a comment about having to protect myself when it related to a significant device. And I won't say it on the show.

49:41Ronnie Karam: What did this mean? That she said I have a gun or something? Is this another? Kenya and Brit.

49:48Ben Mandelker: Brit eat eat moment. it sounded almost like that. Pedro goes, well, no one should say it because you did make the comment. And Pinky's like, no, I did not make the comment. I didn't. And like, here's the problem. You literally just said I could have picked up the phone and called you right then and there. So, okay, I'm a grown ass woman. And Pedro goes, well, first of all, I kept saying shut up, Pinky, be quiet. She goes, no, you did not. You did not say that. No, you did not because you were too busy being a mute at the table because you were scared to talk.

50:18Ronnie Karam: I don't know what they're talking about

50:19Ben Mandelker: all I know is that Vicky's annoyed that Phaedra called higher ups about her, complained about her and Phaedra's saying yeah, I complained because you sort of threatened some sort of situation and Vicky's saying well, you could have just called me and Phaedra's like but I wasn't going to because of that and I don't know, it's hard to track this one because they're talking about something vaguely that happens off camera

50:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so we don't know what they mean. And Andy's like, so she feels like you narked on her and thought she was a threat. Do you understand that, Phaedra? And she's like, well, but does she understand where I'm coming from? And if I wanted to give the higher-ups a call, I would have called the higher-ups. Like, I have their numbers. So I don't know if she just told a producer, if that's what Pinky means. Because when you say the higher-ups, it sounds like the network, right? but yeah Phaedra probably just told her producer like hey she just said she has a gun I mean I

51:16Ben Mandelker: don't I don't know what the fuck it sort of sounds like that and Andy ultimately is like look I've known her for a long time if she had a problem we would hear from her hear from her we didn't hear from her so it's probably not as big as you think that's basically what he says and then Pinky's like just for the record everyone I am no threat to anyone in this room I got a pancake ass just like you said and I wouldn't hurt a fly I mean, what does that mean even?

51:43Ronnie Karam: I can't hurt anybody because I have a flat ass. I don't get it. So Pinky is like, but we're fine now. I mean, she gave me a bath and she put a wand over me and I went to her house and she made some nice vegan food. So, you know, I'm mature and I can move past things.

51:59Ben Mandelker: And then they're like, yeah, everything's fine. She's like, yeah, I got no problem. Yeah, I got no problem. Like, okay, great. So then Andy asks why Derek didn't help out with the bankruptcy. and she's like, you know, he takes pride in his reputation. He just didn't want me to file for bankruptcy. But she didn't want him to give the money because the creditor, it's a creditor paperwork issue, basically. So then Andy's -

52:24Ronnie Karam: That's from her old company and they were coming after her personally. So she doesn't want her husband paying for a company that's already dissolved. Yeah, maybe.

52:35Ben Mandelker: Maybe she just doesn't want meat money in the vegan bloodline there. Not bloodline.

52:40Ronnie Karam: Also, that comes into losing personal money. And like if your husband's giving money, if you're losing everybody else's money, that's fine. But it's like, why am I going to give up my own$5 million basically? That's my husband's. No, we'll take care of it through bankruptcy court, which is probably the smartest way to do it, by the way. So he asks her about her series, which is called Edgewood. and she tells us there's no release date, but they got picked up by a pretty big network. So there will be a Pinky Cole TV show coming out.

53:15Ben Mandelker: Who knows? Maybe we'll eat our words. So then Andy is like, all right, Justine from Bateman says, Drew, if you only planned on supporting Pinky, why even leave your house to attend the casting call? And Drew's like, oh, well, because I told Pinky I would come and I did that leap to show her that even though, you know, it wasn't appreciated. I just wanted to be there as an actress. And Pinky's like, well, why would you call my casting call a cattle call? It's like, Pinky. It was a cattle call. It was a cattle call. There was like a line on the block.

53:47Ronnie Karam: A cattle call is when you put an ad in the paper and everybody comes to it. A casting call is when agents, you know, like you're specifically invited, you know, people are set up through agents and stuff. So I think it was a cattle call, right? Not to say that she put it in the newspaper, but I think that everybody could come to this audition, right? But either way, Cattle Call's not really a huge slam. That's it.

54:10Ben Mandelker: It's not. I think Pinky was trying to be able to get some sort of high ground here, and Angela was like, I mean, you called me Cattle walking across the line, and then we see that Pinky did say that. That's way worse, is to call Angela Cattle versus calling this audition a Cattle Call.

54:33Ronnie Karam: yeah so pinky's like well she was saying it like a dig like i don't do indie projects i mean okay it was very last minute but still and porsche is like but couldn't couldn't your team like was there enough time to just email her team and do it the proper way and she's like well it wasn't time it wasn't about time it just it just passed my mind okay so you're running you're running an unprofessional audition for a tv show and asked drew to come and then when drew wouldn't really do it because she's in the union and all this or that you're going to get upset i think it just doesn't make any sense to me i just don't get and to make it worse you're up against drew in this one and drew's delulu drew yeah you should have this one easily you know so it looks like in this case, it looks like Pinky

55:27Ben Mandelker: is the one who truly dropped the ball here. And so now Pinky, she changes her tune. She's like, look, one thing you gotta know about me is I am not mad that you did not audition. She goes, but I showed up for you, and that should be appreciated. And he's like, I don't care about this anymore. We're moving on. All right, Pinky, you were in a relationship with a woman. You made a minor reference to this in one episode very briefly, so let's take some time in the reunion to talk about it because it has to do with lesbianism and sex so pinky is like well you know andy i munch on some carpet a time or two in my time you know and everyone laughs and pinky is like but i will say this being a lesbian relationship is fun for like the first few weeks and then it gets crazy they get real clingy you know and and then of course andy looks at portia he's like oh yeah they bring you all right, Portia, right?

56:16Ben Mandelker: She's like, yeah, I'm clingy number one.

56:21Ronnie Karam: So they talk about that and then joke about, you know, make some lesbian Portia jokes. And then we go to break time and Drew goes to Portia's dressing room and Portia's like, seeing how Kelly's been going in all her damn interviews, like I have daughters and she's talking about me and this married band. What about my daughters? They have to see it. She's like, what about my daughter you know so portia is going to do something crazy for housewives she's going to take a lie detector test don't don't portia come on now now it's so silly i was cracking up but didn't pinkie pinkie's already done that this season well not only that not only

57:02Ben Mandelker: she she's not going to take a lie detector test she actually took one last night and she is going to read the results during their reunion. So for anyone who accuses Porsche of self-producing too much, you're absolutely right. Here it is.

57:19Ronnie Karam: I see a flashback to Porsche being strapped to a chair and a man being like, did you get a text from a man that said, I just slept with Kelly? I did. was he on an airplane he was are you upset they don't serve peanuts because some people have allergies yes it's unfair i love peanuts please please keep your answers to one or two words

57:48Ben Mandelker: um so now we're back on the set what do planes pastors hawks falcons and angela's neighbor george all have in common they all caught they all got caught in historic storm this season because according to the streets, it's raining married men. So a montage of all the accusations of people sleeping with married men. Most of those accusations just coming from Angela, let's be honest.

58:12Ronnie Karam: They're all from Angela. So now the question is George. How does Shamia know George? And so Shamia says, well, I do team building and bonding events with my best friend Carla, who's a therapist. And we just do empowerment type deals and games with his employees. What? No, you know, team buildings. I have a friend who does this stuff. They like have a corporate. But it's just the things you hear about. It's like Shamia does so many things. She does so many. Like, I never saw this one coming.

58:46Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it is surprising. But so poor invader, were you surprised Angela told George's wife, Ashley, that she never brought up sex? Yet she asked Shamia if she effed George. By the way, anytime we get into the George and Ashley thing, I'd never follow it. I know the outline of it. I know the bones of it, which is that Angela says that Ashley told her that Shamia and George, something or another. But whenever they actually talk it back out, it winds up being this thing of like, she told me that she told you that you told her that George told her that she told me that you guys slept together. And I was like, I don't know.

59:30Ronnie Karam: I can't. And Angela gets big on semantics in every one of these fights. It cracks me up because she's like, I didn't say you have George. No, but it's the same thing because she said, are you fucking George? And it's like, well, I brought up sex, but I did not say Ashley said that you slept with George. And she's like, yeah, but you said, are you fucking George? Yeah, but you told Ashley that I said that she said it. No, but what you said was Ashley, George's wife, Ashley, is actually mad at you and she's uncomfortable with you and she doesn't want to bring it up because you're fucking George.

59:58Ronnie Karam: I never said that. Yes, you did. No, I didn't. And then we see the footage of it with Shamia on the phone with George at the table. and uh then we come back to present and we see for the record angela asked in the footage did you fuck george or she said are you fucking george or what yeah did you fuck george so i guess in angela's mind she was saying did you fuck george not are you fucking george

1:00:27Ben Mandelker: and it wasn't for man oh my gosh so now shamia's like if you did say that you still ask me was i fucking George. She said, oh, make it up, Shamia. Well, you did ask if she was fucking him. It's like, well, she did, but she didn't say if it was Ashley. Okay, got it. Drew, why did you say Angela's been vindicated after George said he jokingly made the comment that Shamia looked so good he had to pay for her? Drew goes, well, I mean, because that's what it was, exactly to a T. What Angela said. And now it's like, no, Angela said if I was fucking George. Like, no, but so there were a lot of things that were twisted.

1:01:02Ben Mandelker: Were you fucking, no, I said that Ashley said that she was fucking George. But what about what Angela said? No, I said that you said that Ashley said that she was fucking George, but George is her husband. And I said, were you fucking George too? Did you fuck George or were you fucking George? And did you say that?

1:01:17Ronnie Karam: Okay, okay, okay. Well, let me ask you a question. It sounds like George and his wife have both confirmed that there's nothing to this. Okay, but don't call me a liar. But you are a fucking liar. Well, I don't have to believe it. I don't have to believe it though, Shamia. She's like, but you are a liar. and that's the second thing you've done. She's like, well, I don't have to believe it just because you say I'm a liar. I don't have to believe that I'm a liar.

1:01:42Ben Mandelker: She's like, motor mouth, mighty mouth, hush. Because Kelly's trying to jump in. And Kelly goes, but you don't like when somebody says that your husband's cheating on you. She's like, well, you told me I was making it up. Well, why would you do that? She's like, you've been lying on my husband since day one. But why would you do that, girl? I don't give a damn about your husband. Well, when you get a husband, you'll understand.

1:02:03Ronnie Karam: Oh my gosh. And then Kelly goes, well, I had a husband for 11 years and I didn't need to get pregnant to have one. It's like, oh, geez.

1:02:10Ben Mandelker: Oh God. Play with someone else. Not me. My husband puts me in rooms, bitch. Your husband puts you in courtrooms. We're not the same. So Kelly is going at it. She's like, going at it, whatever. It's like, I don't give a damn about your husband. She's like, not the side baby motor mouth loud surrounded a sound ass Kelly.

1:02:32Ronnie Karam: it's just like words not the side baby motor mouth loud surround sound ask kelly

1:02:38Ben Mandelker: yeah i have to rewind that around sound i heard surround when she said i heard surround sound ask kelly i just like i don't even get it i like i just like the idea because kelly is still even

1:02:48Ronnie Karam: right now when she gets upset and she's like but what about my own she just gets that like loud siren that siren thing that she does right when she's going off on somebody so she calls her surround sound and kelly said well you're the one who said that you don't give a fuck if he was fucking the lady on the ice cream truck and so we see a little funny clip of angela being like i don't even i don't believe anything that these ladies are saying they could tell me the man is fucking the candy the candy seller and i wouldn't believe it so it's twisting did you tell me and Angela both kind of do this where they just make stuff up and then just, you know, give it to each other over and over again.

1:03:33Ronnie Karam: And it becomes kind of nonsensical. There can't be a Kelly and an Angela. There has to be one person kind of making stuff up. Not two. Because my head is spinning.

1:03:43Ben Mandelker: I choose Angela. So Andy's like, did you accuse Angela? Did you accuse Shamia of sleeping with George? Because Shamia told Amore that she's nicer than you. And Angela's like, no, from day one, the only person in this friend group that I tried to build a relationship with coming into this group was Shamia. And Shamia was married and she's a tourist in Nassau. We hung out. And we see that they were really friends last season. And Angela says, I brought up. I got her birthday gifts. Everything is good. But then we were at Pinky's event and Pinky and Kay and I are talking to Shamia. And Shamia's like, yeah, you're messy.

1:04:20Ben Mandelker: And so then we see this clip that's, quite frankly, pretty benign. And Shamia's like, well, you know, she's like, you know, she basically sort of says that Angela's kind of messy. And that's like World War III for Angela.

1:04:35Ronnie Karam: It's little, it's such tiny drama compared to everything they're slinging at each other today. It seems silly. So then Angela says, well, I took that argument into Dallas. If I thought Shamia was talking about something, if anybody was talking about anybody to Kay, it was Shamia because of my experience with Shamia. I knew that Shamia does shit like this. And so Shamia's like, well, that made her mad to the point where now I'm conspiring with Kay against them. Wow.

1:05:05Ben Mandelker: And it's like, no, I didn't say that. And I'm also sleeping with the Falcons and Hawks players. I'm also fucking George. Like, I just feel like a messy comment wouldn't set me off to that, like, to that extent. And he's like, well, is there any coming back for you too? It's like, no, because it turns out that Shamia served Angela a cease and desist.

1:05:27Ronnie Karam: So she says, I feel like I just got served with a cease and desist because she wants me to talk, but she doesn't want me to talk. And Shamia's like, well, let me tell you what it says on that. What it says on that.

1:05:40Ben Mandelker: Oh, I guess in the theoretical cease and desist. So Angela's like, I don't know if she's a victim or a bully. I don't know who she is. She says, well, I'm definitely not a victim. So I choose bully. So Angela's like, okay, why did you send her a cease and desist? And I still can't tell. Was it a real one or is this just a metaphor? And Shamia goes, well, in the cease and desist, it says state all parties that have either told you that, named the person, the players that I've slept with, or cease and desist. And Angela's like, well, Shamia, the person who told me that is a credible source. And for you to be outside talking about my husband and Dominique Wilkins is outside and all this.

1:06:21Ben Mandelker: And she's like, but you're a married woman. And for you to say that is so nasty, Angela.

1:06:26Ronnie Karam: And she's like, well, you're a married woman when you said my husband was on his back. And she's like, oh, my gosh. So here now it's the husband fights. Okay. So Angela's like, but you said my husband doesn't come home, baby. It's like, well, your husband said that Portia, he said that at Portia's house. He did say that. Joking. Joking. Yeah, it's like, well, you keep talking about my vagina. Well, so Andy's like, okay, it sounds like vagina and husband's not coming home jokes have really just been jokes. And both sides are taking them wrong. And to me, it's like, well, you have more smoke for me than the people that tried to fuck your husband.

1:07:08Ben Mandelker: tried to fuck so portia tried to fuck charles like no that's what you said and portia's like well since you want to bring me the fuck back into it here i am okay this is why angela is holding on to this because there is zero accountability outside of me in that pool event i said the nasty thing she basically is like i said what i said about charles i shouldn't have said it and i apologize and i was accountable but shamia you're never accountable and both you guys and kelly too yeah so you know she's like and then kelly is screaming that charles

1:07:41Ronnie Karam: had a baby a secret baby on angela and shamiya was saying that charles has a woman in new york and he's been in the streets and uh she's like and and shamiya goes bitch what and she's like hold on i was the only one he kept saying i don't even know this guy i mean all i've

1:07:56Ben Mandelker: known as he's a legend and shamia is like that's not what you said that's that's not what you said

1:08:04Ronnie Karam: let me finish you said we're going all the way back to the pool i mean this is season one in the pool where porsche joked about it this was just a joke yeah so shamia it's like stuff that shamia was taking it well that they were taking and twisting i guess i should say from that season and still coming into this one. Like, come on. So Portia's like, you're a damn liar. And you said you knew him and you brought up that he had women everywhere. And she's like, let me talk. But you're lying.

1:08:34Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it goes back and forth for quite a bit. Accusations of throwing each other under the bus, yada, yada, yada. So Andy's like, stop, stop. Okay, it might be helpful, given that this is still bothering Angela, if you would apologize, even if it's you apologizing again. So Shamia goes, well, I apologize for laughing by the pool, for saying I didn't know you, for I guess whatever I said that made you upset, which is like I guess the Shamia thing. Whatever I said, I apologize for.

1:09:03Ronnie Karam: So Angel's like, if I misspoke and if I'm not remembering it right, I'm sorry if I did anything that I did not ever say or did but have no idea what you're talking about. But if you're upset, I'm sorry, I guess.

1:09:18Ben Mandelker: So Angel's like, do you take that? And just like, I do, I take her apology. So then he's like, okay, Shamia, Shamia said she almost lost her job with the NBA because of the accusations. Angela, do you want to apologize for making the accusations? And Angela's like, well, if it's not true, well, but I will stand by the source that I heard from it. You want to just say sorry.

1:09:45Ronnie Karam: so she pulls a she pulls a shimmy a sorry and says i apologize if i offended her i don't want her to lose a job that she doesn't need

1:09:58Ben Mandelker: and then angela's like she's gonna tell you that she doesn't she doesn't need it and i said i sincerely apologize if i got in the way of you and your job but please don't talk about my husband because i'm coming back oh just leave off the butt leave off the butt

1:10:13Ronnie Karam: No, no, no. All right. So Bagel from Holinit says, Kelly and Portia, what exactly are hot chili cheese vagina and a platinum? OK, my nieces were sitting here. One of them was sitting here and she went, what? And so we read it. I literally had to explain hot chili cheese vagina. To my niece and she was dying laughing. She was like, what the hell are you? watch she said rewind it again i think we watched this part like five times and i just watched her cracking up what exactly are hot chili cheese vagina and platinum bus portia's like one that

1:10:54Ben Mandelker: my spouse is love so uh kelly's like i mean if you don't go and take that platinum bus and put it in some goddamn hot water and vinegar okay okay portia aside from you what physical proof do you have that Kelly slept with a married pastor? And she's like, I am the proof. She's like, it sounds like a joke, but I'm not. I'm the one who actually read the text messages in my friend's phone. I've got that. I think Portia is like, no, you read text messages, but do you have proof that this person was telling the truth to the friend? Like, what proof do you have? Not that you read text messages.

1:11:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, you were upset with Kelly of accusing you of sleeping with married men on camera, but you did the same thing. It's like, well, she did it to me first. so when information came back in my lap i made it known to her that's how it works

1:11:44Ben Mandelker: and kelly's like she just wanted to have her lick back support she goes yeah well she did a recent interview and i just basically a whole a whole other smear campaign so you know what if you're gonna keep running your mouth talking about this and call me a liar over and over again i'm not lying so you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna bring in a person who can do a lie detector test and she's like great and I did it already

1:12:06Ronnie Karam: like oh Kelly goes I'm so tired of this bimbo she's like well actually I called him today and got the results and did we see Maury already Maury Povich comes on and he's like oh it's me Maury Povich the results of the lie detector test so and he's like spoiler alert you passed the lie detector test well Drew was there as a witness

1:12:31Ben Mandelker: oh Drew the paragon of virtue over there true we cut to this like mitch mcconnell type guy and he's like so the question was did you ever read a text message about a guy who said he had slept with kelly and the answer was yes and you were truthful ah exoneration so um now we go back to the present and andy's like um would this be admissible in court phaedra and she's like well lie detector tests aren't always admissible because they can be tricked. So Portia's like, but in the court of Housewives of Atlanta? This is rock solid proof.

1:13:16Ronnie Karam: So they all crack up. And Portia's like, you know, but on the show, you act like we're cool, because if you want to still have a beef, we can still have a beef. You know, do you want to keep going? And Kelly's like, well, I have a foot on my neck. And Portia's like, well, I'm going to have mine on your little bitty back. And she's like, okay, well, then have it on my back, but I'll have it on your neck all season. She's like, well, I'll have it on your back. And she's like, okay, let's do it. I have no problems.

1:13:42Ben Mandelker: So, Angela, so your reaction to her passing a lie detector test, she goes, it's a joke. Who cares? And, like, at this point, I don't know anything about a lie detector test. It's like, okay, well, it's become clear that the person in question is actually someone that Phaedra, you know. maybe it's a client of yours, Phaedra, this person who did it. And Phaedra's like, mm-hmm. Kind of like, oh, well, how convenient that for the person to be Phaedra's friend, it's Phaedra's client. Like, of course, Phaedra knows. How convenient.

1:14:06Ronnie Karam: Well, that is true. Of course, it's Phaedra with some mysterious information, you know, some very specific information from a mysterious person. And so Andy's like, well, okay. Well, Pinky asks, isn't that attorney-client privilege? And Shamia's like, privilege is right. And I was like, well, let's see. Shu from Lace wants to know, Phaedra, why do you feel the need to protect a cheating man's infidelities? Does that really truly protect a family or your lies? Well, this is a client, and I'm a member of the bar. And me and my client have absolutely no issues. So why am I going to bring that up?

1:14:50Ronnie Karam: on camera when I am a bar member.

1:14:54Ben Mandelker: Thank you very much. By the way, that question was from Kelly herself. And so that was because they all get to ask a question this reunion. That was Kelly's big question, which is like, why is Phaedra protecting this man? And Phaedra's like, attorney, client. So Kelly's like, but Phaedra, I'm your client too. Let me tell you something, Phaedra. You never actually sat down and asked me anything about this alleged person or who it is, and I'm bothered by it. You know, it's like, Kelly, if this is her client, she's not going to be trying to drag her client into this season more than they already are.

1:15:24Ben Mandelker: She's not going to have a talk with you. She's just not going to talk about this if she doesn't have to.

1:15:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And she's like, well, I've been to your house many times and we've talked and you never said, hey, there's something. Is there something I need to know? You just insinuated and took on Frax information. Mm hmm.

1:15:45Ben Mandelker: and Kelly is like, you know, as your friend, I would have looked at you as a big sister and say, well, Kelly, I just want to know, like, is it true? Could this be true? You never asked me and I have a problem with that. And she's like, well, because I spoke with my client. And Kelly's like, it doesn't matter if you spoke to anybody. She goes, but this is the thing. I didn't bring it up. I know exactly who the person is. And Kelly's like, but look, you didn't bring it up, but like you co-signed, didn't stand up until you co-signed. You co-signed from the same person that got you fired on the show the last time.

1:16:13Ronnie Karam: I mean, yeah. And, um, before she goes, good job, fan. You remember episodes, fan. She's like, girl, shut up. And Angie and, uh, Angie, Andy, unless we have names, I don't think it's fair to discuss.

1:16:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

1:16:29Ronnie Karam: So, then Kelly's like, well, I'm not going to name him or the guy in the kitchen who she also knows well. And Kelly's like, are we talking about bleep? and we get that we don't get the name but she says the name and porsche is like oh so now you want to name people it's like oh so are we talking about you know person in the kitchen

1:16:51Ben Mandelker: yes tom colicchio so porsche's like go ahead name name that married man name that married man because like well let's talk about the real reason you don't like me is it about bleep and porsche's like of course not name him because you're not going to get anywhere with this she's just keep saying it and like and he's like well who is bleep and then kelly's like well it's who claudia jordan brought up on the podcast where claudia said well kelly can really pipe it up with porsche because they actually dated like one of the same men so it's another overlap and

1:17:19Ronnie Karam: porsche was like yeah but i said the same thing i it's not a secret and uh she's like well you did it only after claudia said it so now they're going back and forth about a podcast but we have the one

1:17:32Ben Mandelker: she does with erica i wonder if it was the one that she does with erica cobb um so she does it with erica yeah that's right and so then shamia is like why can't we name this married man and and so portugal you actually stay out of it before we talk about who you were with bt weekend as well and she was like first of all i'm not talking about that no i'm not talking about that and so now there's more accusations and portia's like stay out of it when i'm talking to kelly shamia And she's like, girl, I'm talking to her. I'm not fucking talking to you. So now they're fighting about all this.

1:18:03Ronnie Karam: Oh, my gosh. So Andy says, where are you two go from here? And Portia says, to hell.

1:18:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's not going to be resolved. But guess what? Maybe next episode, there'll be more accusations of people sleeping with people that we don't know. We'll see.

1:18:21Ronnie Karam: And bleeped names of people that we'll never hear about. Fingers crossed. It's a brain scrambler sometimes. It was such a funny episode, but it was so hard to go back on.

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