#3512 Crappy Hour 8/24/26: Zolciak Son Arrest, Tracy Tutor Joins RHOBH, Boz Wedding

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3:39Ben Mandelker: You're like, you want to talk about Bravo stuff? What about if we talk about a thumbnail off of a YouTube show? Talk about YouTube thumbnails for Ben's show. Here, let me share this. That works, why not? Look at this. Look, isn't that cute? look how cute that is it's me and Courtney and we're going to be ranking top 5 Bravo dinner parties little Courtney from Two Judgy Girls

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4:18Ronnie Karam: pretty good isn't that cute? it's going to be great so great that'll come out soon I'm making a new poster for something we're announcing 20 minutes you know three weeks ago like we were going to but we haven't yet it'll come soon though so anyway today guess what we're announcing on this show a lot of depressing shit because Bravo has been really churning out some dark news lately my god yeah through links today and just like oh no oh lord Kim Zolciak's son. What else? I mean, that's the most, Hayden Panettiere dying. Diana Jenkins just deleted her entire Instagram today. Did you know that? Oh, God, is Diana Jenkins news?

5:03Ronnie Karam: At least deactivate it. Well, do you remember on the show, do not sue us, Diana Jenkins. We don't have the kind of money you need. And also, this is all over the internet anyway. But do you remember when Diana Jenkins, she of the lips, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, you need a new willing? Ah, here I am. So Diana Jenkins, they asked her, they were questioning her book, Room 23. It was all, you know, scantily clad or nude celebrities. And then the rumors were that she was a madam. And then these were, this was her selling book, you know, her look book for all the people she was selling. And those were the rumors.

5:46Ronnie Karam: And then Andy asked about it on the reunion. I just saw a clip of it the other day because of all this news. And she's like, oh, this is just so silly that someone would even think this kind of thing about. Just laughing. And one of the rumors was Hayden Panettiere was that Diana. Sorry, that Hayden mentioned Diana, but not by name. She said that she was with a friend of hers who is much older and they were on a yacht. And she put Hayden into a bed with some celebrity, also not named. And people speculated for the longest time that this is Diana Jenkins. So Hayden Panettiere just passed away from a cardiac arrest, suspected due to overdose.

6:32Ronnie Karam: No one really knows, but she suffered a lot of depression. She's not had it easy, Hayden Panettiere. She's had a lot of postpartum depression and her childhood and becoming a star so young, etc. So this renewed all the Diana Jenkins stuff. And I guess it finally got to her enough to get the Insta down. So that's dark. And RIP Hayden.

6:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's a sad story all around. And I saw Hayden. TMZ aired an archival interview with Hayden's on and off again boyfriend from like, I don't know if it was like earlier this year or two years. It was recently, and the guy was just fucked up on their interview. And he just was like, this guy seems like garbage. And it's a shame that she was not. I don't know what the circumstances around her death were, but it seemed like she had bad influences in her life. And it's just, it's heartbreaking.

7:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's sad. So that's one thing. Not going to make any jokes about that. Obviously, I don't really have any that I'm even stopping myself from making. How about that? And then Kim Zolciak's son, Kim Zolciak and Corey Bierman, about to just play. This is terrible.

7:49Ben Mandelker: This is horrible. They're all bad. They're really bad. But this news, this news is just, it's sickening. Go for it. Have fun.

8:00Ronnie Karam: You say it.

8:00Ben Mandelker: Sure, I'll do it. Sexual assault allegations.

8:03Ronnie Karam: I'm going to go eat a gallon of ice cream off the screen.

8:05Ben Mandelker: One of those twins, sexual assault allegations. situations um it's it's terrible it's really really terrible and my heart breaks for the victim of this situation i mean i i i can't be the only one who when kim and croix started going through this terrible terrible divorce i couldn't be the only one that's like oh this is this is gonna be terrible for the kids but i was not expecting was was this sort of outcome and by the way i i what what's sort of weird is like by me even saying that it's almost even being weirdly compassionate and i'm not trying to lean into that i'm just saying like i feel like we like morbidly i feel like a lot of us probably saw something terrible coming down the path for these kids this was not what i was personally expecting and i think it's i think it's awful and really the thing i guess the thing that's like to weigh in about for me is like kim shut up she's releasing statements being like, you know, my son is innocent and that woman, I hope someone, whatever, we find out who did this to that woman or whatever it was.

9:17Ben Mandelker: But Kim, first of all, I'm never going to begrudge a parent for standing up for their child. That I get. But I don't think that she had to release a public statement.

9:30Ben Mandelker: Just handle it behind closed doors, Kim.

9:33Ronnie Karam: Well, for those of you who don't know what we're really talking about um her son was arrested because he was in a co-ed uh sauna and he apparently grabbed somebody i mean the charges are like a friend of us yes arrested for aggravated sodomy and an aggravated sexual battery in alpharetta georgia on wednesday this is on page six that i'm reading from according to court documents a female A classmate accused KJ of assaulting her in a gym changing area on April 23rd, claiming to authorities that he allegedly forced himself on her despite her saying no while they were in a co-ed sauna. KJ, per the filing, KJ allegedly attempted multiple times to have sexual intercourse with her by trying to pull down her pants.

10:21Ronnie Karam: He is also accused of forcing oral sex and digitally penetrating her vagina. And, of course, Kim's statement is like, don't believe everything you hear. you know uh innocent until proven guilty which is kind of the obvious thing to say but she's like this girl has accused other people and be careful what you're believing it's just kim jesus christ this is not the time right i just this is really really really bad yeah it's terrible it's really

10:52Ben Mandelker: really really terrible um and it's it makes me sad for most for the victim obviously i mean that's just someone whose life is irreparably changed and hurt and damaged and affected and that's just it's just it's unfathomable the parents were the worst nightmare too so it's it's all it's all

11:15Ronnie Karam: craziness with those two the couple the kim we avoid kim zolciak news as much as possible on this show. I don't know if you've noticed, but it's every week with Kim and Croy and the back and forth and their divorce and the who's dating who. And this one's dating that one's ex, a wife of that one's ex. And it's just so trashy that it's too trashy even for me. And not saying something, you know, as a longtime Bravo watcher, but even I'm like, nope, but this one, I mean, my God. So really dark. So I want to get onto something slightly less dark only because there's only so much everyone can take well i actually where

11:58Ben Mandelker: you're moving on from the story well yes i want to actually talk about like some things that are like not as within the story that are not as dark number one do we think this impacts ariana and what's and like her trajectory with next gen um new york city and also like it seems like kim was slated to be on this coming episode or two they tease that like oh my mom's coming to town whatever does does does the the issues with one of the twins i don't know honestly i don't remember which twin it was because like kj and jk i don't know what their names are but um does that does

12:39Ronnie Karam: that jk i mean it's really not that far from far-fetched you know i just feel like it's

12:45Ben Mandelker: something that like kim would do kj and i really don't know pb and r

12:53Ben Mandelker: but like do we think that like bravo shelves in episodes that do they go forward i mean i think the show i think next gen new york city should go on i feel like ariana should not be punished for her brother. I think actually by Kim speaking out and releasing that problematic statement where again, what people really didn't like was that she called the victim like that woman or that woman or something like that, sort of making the victim seem like, oh, she's like a full-on adult. It's like that thing like my son's just a little boy, but she's a woman, she's an adult. Do we think that Next Gen New York City is going to be impacted, Ronnie?

13:36Ronnie Karam: well look kim was canceled and fired because of racist stuff and ariana still became a huge star i don't know if they're gonna what they're gonna do with kim on the next couple of episodes but i think people are judging ariana or ariana i always get those wrong but people judge her i think separately from her mom otherwise i don't think she'd be on tv do you yeah yeah i think i I agree. I agree. I think you shouldn't be guilty for the sins of your parents or your family. You know? I mean, also, she's lifted up because of her parents and her family. But I don't think that people should, you know, you shouldn't have your family held against you.

14:20Ronnie Karam: Right. Whether they will or not, I don't think they will. But she's going to have to discuss it, I would imagine, a little bit. Although she is from the Bravo. It's like, well, this is really rough and I don't want to talk about it. Right. And especially on Next Gen New York because they're very influencer-y on that show. When they talk about their pain, it's very curated, palatable ways. So who knows? I don't know. I hope for her sake it's not. But I'm not really hoping a whole lot of positivity for Kim in general right now. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial. I have a giant deck outside and needed to furnish it and was worried about getting things that matched and getting things from different stores and making it all work together.

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16:22Ronnie Karam: There is such a better way to spend your time than doom scrolling or watching terrible TV. Get some stories in your life, okay? Audible is perfect for that. I use it while I'm cleaning the house, while I'm running errands. I listen to books all day, every day with Audible.

16:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah, they have a massive library of audiobooks and ad-free podcasts. And it is really the perfect thing to turn on when you're taking a long drive, washing some dishes. Like, enrich yourself.

16:51Ronnie Karam: New members can start listening with a 30-day free trial at audible.com slash WWC. Well, I guess while we're staying on the dark things, Nathan, we haven't even talked about Nathan. We'll talk about this more at length, I'm sure, on Below Deck. But we found out this week that right after, by the way, recording the Below Deck recap and talking about Nathan's anger and how scary it was and his temper. um where we found out that he was arrested december 27th this past december 27th for assaults and um unconsensual non-consensual choking or non-consensual strangulation or something and we don't know for sure who it was but uh gail posted like a but the equivalent of a restraining order she filed for the equivalent of a straining restraining order and they go to court in the beginning of september i mean jesus it's just it's like shit storm after shit storm over there

17:58Ben Mandelker: right yeah yeah i mean we like i personally started to sour on nathan when he started spouting lots of like islamophobic and you know racist shit on his instagram and then we've started you then we start seeing this whole like you know oh his anger issues on the show his anger god would care keep that anger in but then you see this and you're like it's you know i was already he was already on our list and then this is just absolutely despicable too i mean this guy what a what a real piece of a lot of true piece of and also now we have to like be on joe's side

18:37Ronnie Karam: terrible but i mean it is it is pretty pretty miraculous that this season joe looks like kind of the heroic figure i mean out of all the guys you've got the bed splooger then you've got nathan i mean then you've got joe who joe joe's past couple of years have been horrible then you've got freaking nathan outdoing everybody yeah what a fucking what a fucking little monster and he had someone posted on reddit a video of him like oh well i'm following everybody because i just you know instagram's just so unreal you're looking at everybody be so happy and it's all so fake and so i don't want to because it's just natural for people to start feeling jealousy and stuff like that and this was obviously before this news broke and then this

19:25Ben Mandelker: news broke i was like god yeah he um he nathan is just a real he's a real piece of shit and we have to sit through him whining about how he's not he's he he needs a second chance and oh my god i'm never gonna do anything to empower it and then this happens also i had a really dark thought which is remember that um the episode where nathan doesn't show up for work and he's not answering his phone and he's like oh some family stuff i was like what was happening during that morning and it's sort of like after see after seeing these allegations it just has me concerned that this was not the first time that there was domestic abuse happening with him and i just i don't know this is just this is just shitty shitty well usually with something like that you don't know that it's the first time but you know pretty pretty much it's not the last because that doesn't That's usually not just a one and done.

20:27Ronnie Karam: Whoops. That's a pattern. Yeah. This chant, Bravo is supposed to be fun. Not fun. Speaking of, Amanda and West were setting the internet ablaze again because they posed playing pool. And she was doing a handstand and he was shooting the pool stick between her legs. It really got the internet on that one. I mean, I was almost glad to see Western Amanda News pop up amongst all this stuff. I was like, ah, remember the less problematic times? Slightly, you know, of what, two months ago? Oh, guys, the memories. Back when we were all so young.

21:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah, back in the good old days. Back in the good old days.

21:16Ronnie Karam: Okay, I just have to show you what I'm doing. This is how sad I am. Please. It's really hot outside. And this time of day, the sun starts beating in that door behind me, which you can see. So the office gets really hot. I live in an old house. The air conditioning vents are on the floor. This one is under a built-in. It's under a built-in on the floor. It's the only vent in the office. So I got this little tiny fan. Okay. Do you see it? It's a little battery-operated fan. The plug is a USB thing, but the only USB thing I have is too big to fit into the plug that I have all of my office stuff connected to.

21:55Ronnie Karam: So I had to get a USB battery charge. Well, I mean, I have this, but I'm using my little USB thing that goes on the back of my phone. But then I didn't have the – it's a bigger USB, so I have the USB plugged into a mini USB, plugged into a battery thing, plugged into a fan. the fan is on the floor trying to catch the air from the vent and then i've got it propped up on a plug uh another outlet to just get me and it's not angling so that's why i keep bending down trying to get this air come on man this is so sad why is this week torturing me I'm going to hold it with my foot. Okay.

22:37Ben Mandelker: I'm just... I love this setup that you have. Yeah, get a box fan. You should get the fan that I just put on Amazon Live earlier today.

22:50Ronnie Karam: All right, all right. That's all I know. I need it to be little and go... The vent is like this big under a built-in. So I'm trying to catch it up and tilt this tiny fan up at me. That's why it's so little, but I just can't make it work. All right. What else do you want to talk about here? I'm totally depressed.

23:14Ben Mandelker: Well, let's talk about this wedding that Bozema St. John had over the weekend. She had her Ghanaian wedding. And so there were these videos that were all over social media of her fellow castmates. all there, all dressed in sort of like an African garb. And I don't know why I was like cracking up because you see Jennifer Tilly and she has whatever the, I don't know what you call the, the head. They, it was like a, it's like a head piece. And I was like, oh, that's so cool. And then I see it on Doree and I was like, appropriate her. But it was just so funny. Cause I feel like with Jennifer Tilly, like there's a sense of like, oh, I'm, I'm going to honor the culture.

23:58Ben Mandelker: And with Dorit, she's like, but look at me, I'm Ghanaian now. I just was cracking up with her in their hair. And then there's also like, and I think Sutton had it also, like some of them had it. And I just, um, you know, I think it was probably the greater context of it was, I would not be surprised if like Bose gave them to them and said, well, I want you to wear them for the wedding. But I don't know, for some reason, seeing Dorit in one just cracked me up. What about you?

24:27Ronnie Karam: The clips going around are them dancing. They're dancing in the center of this big crowd. And Dorit is literally getting down. I mean, she's like squatting on the ground and doing just Dorit-ing out. And I mean, I think maybe only Ramona has her beat. Ramona has like a really famous dance scene like that where you're just like, oh, God. But yeah, Ramona has her beat, but this one's pretty. But it's all of them. I mean, you've got Sutton, Kathy, all these ladies. Kathy apparently licked the, like, put her finger in the cake and then sucked it off. Oh, that's great. That's classic.

25:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah, don't tell Heather Dubrow about that. Yeah. I can only imagine how many problematic things Kathy said over the course of their time there in Ghana. All of them. I'm crazy.

25:25Ronnie Karam: I mean, there's at least I'm already cringing at the thought of Sutton, Dorit and Kathy. Who else? You know, who else? What do we what do we have to look forward to? But Bo's looked extremely happy. It looked like a huge, beautiful event. Did you see the cake being dropped from the ceiling? They had the cake on. It's a huge cake. First of all, it's I didn't see this at all. It's this humongous cake and it's being lowered from the ceiling like in the theater, you know, like a fly system. and it's being kind of winched down. It's like, and you're just like, oh no, God, what's going to happen to this cake?

26:05Ronnie Karam: And then I guess it comes down and Kathy just sticks her finger in it and licks her hand. It's a lot. Bose is over the top though, that damn cake. It's like, please, please don't hurt anybody with this cake. What about the children? Watch your children.

26:22Ben Mandelker: I need to find Bose in this cake. I need to find, I need to find the, to see what's going on with Bo's cake. I'm looking it up. Yeah. Bo's cake being lowered. Bo's, Bo's cake. It keeps on trying to offer me box cake. I'm like, no, Bo's cake being lowered. No, no. Like I will not. Yeah.

26:47Ronnie Karam: I don't want box's cake. Okay. Bo's wedding cake cutting. Would this be it? Here, I'll send it to you so you can put it on the screen. Well, I guess we don't need to hear that. Oh, you do it. You do it. You do it.

26:57Ben Mandelker: Okay. I think I found it. I think I've got it. Okay. Okay. So, everyone, this is going to be on. Will you show the cake? I need to see the cake. It's coming, everyone. It's coming. Share screen, window.

27:10Ronnie Karam: When you're watching stuff, when you're just scrolling stuff, doom scrolling in bed or whatever, that's when I see most of this stuff. So, this one I didn't even have the sound on. So, in my mind, the cake is coming down. And in my, you know, my inner sound effects like.

27:26Ben Mandelker: Are you guys ready for the descending cake? So there's all these sort of like. It says click to exit full screen. Well, I want to be in full screen. That's so rude. Okay. Is that better? Yeah.

27:41Ronnie Karam: Just maybe zoom in on it with your just pinch zoom or whatever you do.

27:45Ben Mandelker: It doesn't, it doesn't help. Unfortunately. Oh, come on.

27:47Ronnie Karam: Okay. Well, we can get the base.

27:49Ben Mandelker: Well, the cake is coming down. Wow. There it is. See a dangling cake. Oh, and then it goes a little more and are we getting, no, that's as far as it goes. I don't know if I need a cake to come down like that. Oh, a little bit more. Okay. And here comes a gentleman.

28:06Ronnie Karam: I'm telling you that cake. With arms. It's a trepidatious trip that that cake is taking. I know. And then Keeley has a, has some sort of saber and they're going to cut the, see, here's

28:18Ben Mandelker: the thing. this is why you don't dangle a cake because now when you cut it it's very unstable now a man has to has to hold it okay they're gonna saber the cake it's already creaky coming down don't take

28:27Ronnie Karam: a saber to it yeah poor thing has been through enough or cake yeah it's been doing it's been through enough imagine being in charge of that cake what a terrifying thought like this is your responsibility this gigantic what is that like a 10 foot tall cake it's like i've worked with pink

28:48Ben Mandelker: and bo's is wedding cake i'm really good with these things that's big on your resume probably uh what about this news of tracy tutor joining real housewives of beverly hills How do you feel about that?

29:05Ronnie Karam: Well, she, I've watched her every season on Million Dollar Listing, and I liked her okay. I don't know that I need it. It's not, I need more camp. You know, Tracy doesn't give a lot of camp, but she is very smart and very funny. And she was dating that really young guy that was kind of campy for a little while. I don't know what, I just need to say camp every five seconds. It's a gay thing, I guess. but i need more jennifer tilly and not necessarily that but i'm not a hater i mean i watched all of million dollar listing with her so there's that and i know she was on jeff lewis a while back giving dorit gossip and saying dorit didn't pay her makeup people you know they know the same makeup people and dorit owes this makeup person thousands of dollars and it was kind of a scandal But do I really need more Dorit being poor seemed?

30:01Ronnie Karam: I mean, Dorit's going to be going through it already, you know, this year with her house. Is it being foreclosed on? Is it not? They keep getting a hold and I don't know. I was kind of hoping that the focus would go away from Dorit, but it seems like they got themselves another Dorit hater. What do you think about it?

30:20Ben Mandelker: You know, I didn't really watch a lot of Tracy's seasons when she was on. million dollar listing. She seems fine. I mean, she's media trained. She's used to being in front of the cameras. So that's good. She's of this world. Um, I don't know. I kind of was hoping for someone new, like, yeah, I don't know. I'm like, if I get, I am totally open and fine for Tracy, but I don't know. There's just, it doesn't make me that excited. It doesn't make me not excited, but to me, it's, I sort of reached it with like a shrug. I just want, you know what it is? I think I want older, more fabulous people. I mean, and Tracy Tudor is a little older, but I don't know.

31:09Ben Mandelker: I just feel like they, with Beverly Hills, they're always trying to cast people who are like, I don't know, like not, it's not, not fashionable. I don't think of Tracy Tudor as like, oh, you're fashionable. But I don't know. I can't put my finger on what it is about Tracy. I want more people like Sutton. I want like very wealthy and also very deluded. Tracy Tudor, I don't know. It's like –

31:35Ronnie Karam: Not really self-aware.

31:35Ben Mandelker: I feel like every time the million-dollar listing people go to other shows or make appearances on other shows, it's like inherently annoying. So the fact that one now has a permanent presence is like not exciting for me.

31:47Ronnie Karam: So maybe that's a million dollar listing was very much like you guys are crazy. Come on now. Let's bring it back. Like Josh, who was the two Josh's, you know, and so one Josh is like, Josh, you need to be drinking less and be less bitter and be less wacky to people. You need to get it together. Another Josh, you need to stop being such an egomaniac. maniac so it's kind of a role and i don't i don't necessarily need someone to mind everybody else i need another like cuckoo person that needs to be told calm down stop acting crazy so i don't know but we'll see it's a different arena i guess i worry i think it's probably going to be marissa although marissa did not have half of the charisma or marissa's that tracy has yes and the reason i I think that is because she was from another real estate show, the million dollar, not listening, but what was it?

32:48Ronnie Karam: She was on New York apartments. Oh, like the New Yorker. There's so many of them now, but it's one of the original. It's hard to keep up. But it was one of the low budge ones where they would sell apartments in New York.

33:03Ben Mandelker: It wasn't selling New Yorker. It was like, oh, I forget. I forget what it was. but God, I always forget about Marissa. I watch so many of those. I know. But yeah, I think, I don't know. I think, I think I'm looking forward to this season because I know that Kyle and Dorit are having issues. I think that they are really entertaining when they are feuding. I liked the feud with how Erica got dragged into it. but I need Sutton to be activated again. I need someone who's going to go after Sutton. I mean, maybe Tracy Tudor is that person. Maybe Tracy Tudor has some crazy story about how she tried to sell a house for Sutton or buy a house for Sutton and then Sutton was not helpful and they had some falling out.

33:52Ben Mandelker: Like, that would be nice. But yeah.

33:55Ronnie Karam: I never know. She had too much of an ass kissy to Kyle season because she was without a friend that season. so hopefully that won't continue but I think it's going to continue and as time will tell I think I'm just most worried for the cake I'm just glad the cake came down at the end of the day I always feel that

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36:13Ronnie Karam: Some other funny news. On Atlanta, I mean, they just had a really, really intense, and intense I mean by, I mean hilarious, But they pack so much into their reunions. They just finished their three-part reunion. One of the things they were arguing about towards the end of the season was Greg. Wasn't it in the reunion when Angela was saying, Kelly, you owe all this money. Who owns your house? Who owns your house? You own all this money to a guy named Gary. That's his name, Gary. So Gary filed to garnish Kelly's wages because I guess that's true. and she does owe him. Let's see. Gary comes for Kelly's Real Housewives of Atlanta paycheck garnishment filed against Real Housewives of Atlanta production company.

37:04Ronnie Karam: Dun, dun, dun. Dang. Hold on. Kelly was such an asshole on that reunion about getting all that legal advice from Phaedra. Well, not even advice. Phaedra won her case and then she's still being an asshole about Phaedra behind her back and then when she was questioned about it, she was like, oh, whatever. It's not like she did it for free. I gave her$10 ,000. And besides, my other lawyers, who I paid a quarter of a million dollars to, did most of the work. Phaedra just had to take their notes and use that. I mean, she was just such an asshole. So have fun.

37:36Ben Mandelker: I think Kelly's going to get lost in the sauce. I think she's lost in the sauce of reality TV. And I think she's, I don't know. She's just trying to push through in this cast. And like between Portia and Angela and K Michelle and Phaedra and Drew. I don't know. Like, there are just so many bigger personalities or not even bigger, just more interesting personalities, Cynthia, that like she just keeps on making noise. And like, it's like, why don't you focus on being interesting instead of being, you know, instead of being snappy? Meaning like she's always trying to come up with something. She's always trying to be, you know, like Horsha, Horsha, Horsha.

38:18Ben Mandelker: It's like, why don't you be more like, give us something more interesting about your personality for us to actually root for you and care about you. Because right now you're just trying to clap backs and that's all that's all that you have.

38:32Ronnie Karam: And if you're going to be shady, I need better than Horsha. Like just calling someone a whore. Wow, rhymes with Porsche or her other one. You have big feet. That's her. Yeah. That's her big slammed Angela. of course Angela's is well you're poor and it just goes back and forth and it ended up it happened so many times that by the end I just was cracking I don't know every time even someone else is fighting and then they would jump in well what about your big feet well you're poor you don't

39:01Ben Mandelker: even have a house I feel like I could just totally imagine what Kelly was like on the school bus around like third grade you know she probably was always she probably was just like going off on everyone all the time and saying, you know, you know, or she's not going off on everyone, but she probably, there's always that like one really annoying kid on the school bus who's like generally quiet during school. And then on the school bus, they're like really annoying. And it's like, my mom does this, my mom does this, you're talking to my mom, because my mom, and you're just, I kind of like, that's the energy that she has is like kid on the school bus, like standing over the seat and saying, my mom says that you're stupid, you know?

39:41Ben Mandelker: And I just like, that's, that's the vibe I get from her. Is that universal? Is that a universal experience?

39:49Ronnie Karam: No, but I'm definitely immersed in your childhood memory now. Who was this? What did they do to poor Ben? No, there were just like, there were always, there were just always these certain girls

40:03Ben Mandelker: on the bus who they just got very feisty on the school bus. They'd be quiet in school and on the school bus. the big thing on the school bus was it was like it was like jolly ranchers was the currency of the school bus like if you had jolly ranchers like everyone liked you everyone put their hand out can i have a jolly rancher on my school bus it was and there was always like some girl who had like the jolly ranchers it was like i'm not gonna give you jolly ranchers because i don't like you like it wasn't even to me necessarily it wasn't like me this wasn't my trauma it's just like The trauma was me just trying to have a quiet school bus ride and some annoying classmate just being so loud and annoying about Jolly Ranchers all the time.

40:48Ronnie Karam: I think that was me, though, because I'm thinking, what do you mean annoying girls on the bus? I think that I was with the annoying—I mean, that's me. I was always hanging out with the girls. I mean, that was probably me. I got mostly tortured by boys in school. that's who got my ass all the time thank god for the girls that's why i love doing this it's like i'm with my i'm with girls you know i mean you're a guy obviously but you're like one of my girlfriends and then yeah the bravo people are mostly women like that's how i that's how i roll is how i've rolled ever since i was a kid so when you say those annoying girls i'm like oh that was me sorry ben i did not have jolly ranchers though because my mom she was so conscious about calories growing up that she would say you eat one jolly rancher with cinnamon and that'll get you through if you're having a craving just one jolly rancher it was like very 80s diet mom you know yeah it's like that's five calories or whatever the hell it was so i still feel tortured by fucking jolly ranchers i just feel like somebody's calling me fat you know it's like Like a Jolly Rancher is not going to solve the craving for a tub of ice cream, you know?

42:03Or a whole pizza, one fucking Jolly Rancher. Get out of here.

42:08Ben Mandelker: Now, like for people who are like, it wasn't like, oh, the girls were the only annoying ones. It's just like that was the expression. That was the way that the annoying girls on the school bus, that was their vibe. The annoying boys just had a whole different vibe. They were just annoying in a different way, like little boy way that were just like annoying. but um yeah i just like like to me kelly has that vibe i'm not saying she's a bad housewife i just feel like i'd like there to be some like a character development on her part because i don't know like i think that it's i think being a really good housewife is more than just being able to have a clap back like there's got to be something there that's like inviting and warm and You want to root for them, you know?

42:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't necessarily need to root for them. This is why I'm disagreeing because I'm about to talk Real Housewives of London. Now, this show has been cracking me the fuck up. We're not covering it on Crappens because they're releasing two a week and we had all this going on. But I'm still watching that shit and I am dying laughing. One of the best things to happen to TV in a long time is one of the most delusional people that you absolutely, I don't think anybody roots for her. But I root for her never to leave TV. And that is Amanda. Have you been watching this shit? She finally gets activated when they bring Juliette Angus on.

43:28Ronnie Karam: Juliette Angus is one of the most obnoxious Americans to ever roam the planet. And she gets right under this woman's skin. And they apparently used to be friends during COVID. And then Juliette comes in and she's saying, oh, yeah, I know Amanda because we were best friends. Amanda's like, we were never best friends, darling. She's like, yeah, what do you mean? We were never friends. You're saying we were never friends. I never said we were best friends. So then this starts this huge fight, and it ends with what we saw on the coming this season thing, where Juliet's like, oh, really? Well, how's all that alcohol for you?

44:02No, she tells Juliet, how's all that alcohol for you, darling? She's like, good, how's all that Ozempic?

44:08Ronnie Karam: She's like, great, I've lost eight stone. She is so fucking funny to me, and she does a little shimmy whenever she's got one up on somebody. She's like, oh, really? Well, she just doesn't understand what it's like being a model. I'm sorry I'm gorgeous. I'm sorry that I'm so pretty, but other girls just don't like me because I'm pretty. That's what I need.

44:30Ben Mandelker: Yeah, Amanda is so funny. I mean, when Juliette, this is Real Housewives of London for those who missed that. But when Juliette Angus was like, we were best friends, actually. You don't remember? We were best friends. And she's like, it was locked down. There was slim pickings.

44:52Ben Mandelker: Like, it's like I visited your trashy American world because there was a pandemic. It was like, like the only way in the world I would ever hang out with you would be is if I went outside of you, I would like die from a deadly disease. So like you're all that's left. It was just amazingly cold and hilarious. Ooh, that scene was amazing.

45:17Ronnie Karam: She's just so unruffled. And the first episode of the whole series was Amanda throwing a women's, what was it? Like women empowerment party. Women empowerment. Yes, we're just going to get together to uplift women because that's what we do. And then a fight breaks out. It's like, oh, women acting like this at women's empowerment? women like they're fighting about teeth. You know, she's so polite. But then right when Juliet comes for her, she's just so unbothered and just reads her for filth. And it's hilarious because Juliet doesn't know what to do. You know, she's like, I can't believe she's calling me a bad mother.

45:55She told her, give me a break. You can't even keep a man, Amanda. I mean, you call the tabloids even if you've gone on one day with the guy.

46:05Ronnie Karam: And she was like, fair, fair.

46:11Ronnie Karam: who wouldn't that's a good one yeah i need something like that on uh beverly hills and i need more of that kind of read from kelly more than just like you're all aware and your

46:22Ben Mandelker: feet are too big yeah i think we need i think we need also just these these british casts have been really bringing it it's it's a shame that like our american audience is is somehow not giving them love like we're these are great shows and um for some reason people are not connecting with them i think part of that is because bravo was not promoting them enough i think ladies of london when it arrived um the trip it's sort of it got like a nice promotional thing like here come some british people but it didn't get like a crazy crazy promotional push and there was a huge amount of buzz um but i still thought it was gonna perform better than it did but you know bravo's i don't know it's hard to say what's gonna pop and what's not gonna pop because bravo promoted the hell out of ultimate girls trip and apparently that's not doing very well so um i don't know it's not doing so bad girls trip i read that it only got like 200 000 views

47:23Ronnie Karam: or something like that oh i was reading let me okay go ahead and keep talking i'll look on that

47:27Ben Mandelker: I mean, the thing is this ratings don't really mean anything. They care about ratings, but they also care about chatter, which is why I was surprised about Lazy London. I feel like it had a huge amount of chatter. Ratings don't matter.

47:41Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I mean, Miami's not back. They say that live ratings don't matter. It's just not true. Until there's another way to measure this stuff, you still can't measure online except for what they tell you. They'll say, oh, we've got 19 billion seconds of a show streamed. streamed what the fuck does that even mean what are you guys talking about stop it yeah yeah uh girls trip had four point four seven three million episode two which is it's a little i mean atlanta does really well that's point six two two um but that's really not bad for them i mean london is getting like 120 000 people in love but london's getting really again zero promotion it's just

48:25Ben Mandelker: It's frustrating. It's frustrating when Love Island is on. It's this huge show. And they go out of their way to channel people into the McBee Dynasty. Once you're current with Love Island, it's like, next up, McBee Dynasty. And it's like, why are you channeling it into this show that's not representative of the Bravo brand? It's poorly made. It's boring as hell.

48:46Ronnie Karam: Why do we cover McBee instead of London? There's a couple of people asking in here. I think that's a fair question. Because we're kind of the same. And we're like, well, we're not, you know, why are you channeling all this? But we channeled our energy kind of to that instead of covering London.

49:02Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I mean, well, the thing is, I hate starting a season and then just like abandoning it midway through.

49:12Ben Mandelker: Also, no one was asking for London. And I don't think we got very good numbers on our end about it. But that doesn't, if we'd like to recover a show, we'll cover a show. um but i was mainly doing it for you ronnie i know you love mcb for me yeah get out of here i don't

49:28Ronnie Karam: listen i think we both you got a lot of good reaction from your mcb i did it was that was

49:35Ben Mandelker: really fun that was very fun i think that was well no how about this last year i was only doing it for you only doing it for you and and honestly to this like i people really think i'm being like like, jokey about it. I have to watch the shows in three parts because after 20 minutes, I'm like, I can't watch this anymore. I have to go do something else. And I come back and I watch another 20 minutes and then I go do something else and I come back and I do it again. Like, people don't really realize how it's like, it's a miserable experience for me. Miserable, miserable.

50:12Ronnie Karam: But I think that's also what's really enjoyable about hearing your take on it because you don't give a fuck on that one i think sometimes you'll be like well i don't yeah you know i don't want to be too harsh on the real house i mean i'm just i i'm just more naturally a hater i think so when you are really like fuck these people like you do not give a fuck you don't care what those people think you know or that general audience i think in general which i think helps and it really does make it so fucking funny to listen i mean i just sit here cracking up listening to you i just my personal reason is beyond the fact that it's really fun making fun of people that i absolutely despise and detest is it's huge ratings it's one of the biggest shows on bravo like we you know people people watch it what are you gonna do and i do think it's trash so much happens on that show and i do love watching galena and i love my son of call you know all those people so i don't know whatever makes the most fun recap ladies of london i love now but it took me probably i liked it when it first came on but i didn't think oh this is great and i think i still had maybe some resentment about ladies of london going away because i loved that one so real housewives of london at first i was like i don't know it just seems like another it's like let's do another housewives thing they're doing all the tropes they're doing all the same activities are going to the castle they're doing blah blah i just thought i don't know i don't i don't need this but i kept watching it because parts of it would crack me up and now now that they're really getting triggered or like they're really showing themselves like amanda i'm cracking up a part of it bugged me because it was just so fakey like hello darling we're polite society and i thought i cannot i cannot take 12 episodes of this but of course it's housewives so the whole point is you start out that way and then they start to yeah i i your real anger comes out you know it's so funny new york times ran is running

52:17Ben Mandelker: an article right now 36 hours in the cotswolds i was like oh um i i loved london from the start that's like my kind of show that's that's my jam and then you're right i mean like we i i do i do love the positive feedback people give me for the mcbee dynasty because i really i hate the show so much that like you normally i'm concerned about yucking people's yum a little bit i don't want to be just full of net negativity but on that show i just i feel like something's been taken from me when i watch it so i need to take something back and so i i just don't give a fuck with that one um i think if i had like my druthers and like we also like we we recap the shows that get really good that get good ratings for us that's important for us like we have we do have to pay attention to like what shows do well with our own numbers um and if i had like my druthers i probably would say i would not recap ultimate girls trip i probably wouldn't recap next gen new york i love next gen new york city it's a pain in the ass to recap that one it's just there's so much stuff moving at every like scenes are five seconds long and they like it goes in so many different directions i would do london i would do uh i guess i would just do london in their places I don't know, but it's hard.

53:35Ben Mandelker: Like we have to make so many decisions in terms of like what we cover, what we don't cover. It's like very, very frustrating, generally speaking, because there's, it's just never as simple as like, Hey, let's cover this show because we like this show. There's a lot of times there are shows we really love and want to cover. We never get to cover. It makes me sad.

53:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And I know a lot of people have political reasons, like a lot of reasons to not, to just hate what McBee stands for. I was reading the head of Bravo saying in an interview, like, you know, that's part of the audience is this, you know, we have to go for this audience now to reflect the times. And I thought that's – I hate that. But that's still the only show on TV where someone has kidnapped chickens and taken a crowbar to one of these asshole Bravo men's cars. That's okay. Multiple times, actually. That's fair. So, you know, I mean, you've got that, but you've also got Galena with a crowbar.

54:32Ronnie Karam: And Ginger the chicken. I still think Galena's a little overrated. God knows what happened to Ginger, you know?

54:36Ben Mandelker: I still think, I appreciate, like, her swath of destruction, but I just am not, I just am, I still am, I don't know, I'm not convinced, but whatever. The debate will rage on for time eternal. What I was going to mention. Oh, wait. People are asking about Real Housewives of Montana in the comments here. And I know very little about it. I am for it. I actually would rather have – so, okay. But here's a trigger warning for people because I know this will cause a very negative reaction for some people. Too late. I went on to Nick Viles podcast again, everyone. Is everyone okay? Is everyone okay? And he asked about Real Housewives of Montana.

55:31Ben Mandelker: And what I said on there was, I'm for it. Because I kind of feel like McBee Dynasty was what Bravo was trying to cash in on. What's his face? All the Taylor Sheridan shows like Yellowstone. And I said, I think I would like a Real Housewives of Montana. I would be happy with that. But what was so crazy was, oh my God, all these people from Montana, they put that clip on social and all these people from Montana are raging in the comments. Like, no, we don't want the Real Housewives here. We don't want that here. We don't want any of that here. I'm like, people, you should be so lucky to have a Real Housewives franchise.

56:07Ben Mandelker: It'd be wonderful. Wonderful. But they are not having it. It's hilarious.

56:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah, a couple of things about that. One was that some of those comments, I read a lot of them, and they're like, well, these are just the fake people. These aren't even the people really from Montana. These aren't the real Montanas. These are just a bunch of rich people who move here and go stay at the Yellowstone Club or buy, you know. Well, duh, it's housewives. Of course, it's all the – you're going to get the biggest, fakest transplants with the most money and the cheesiest mansions. Like, holler. This is real housewives, you guys. This is not a literal documentary about your lives. Also, other cities have been really pissed off, too.

56:50Ronnie Karam: I mean, Salt Lake City wasn't happy that they were getting Housewives. So many of Summer House was super pissed that they they're still pissed that they have a summer house. They still can barely shoot anywhere for that show. A lot of places don't like it. I don't think you're supposed to be super proud of it. You know, it's a shame that you, you carry with you and you have a small pride about it that you don't brag about, but you hope that when you go out, you see somebody somewhere, you know? Yeah. And you go post it to all your friends and be like, I saw so-and-so shooting here. You're going to love it.

57:24Ronnie Karam: Just give into it.

57:25Ben Mandelker: I mean, I also feel like it was just like two years ago that like a Montana politician beat up someone in a bar and like, and you're concerned about the real housewives. I think it'll be okay. It's a big state. whatever contamination they bring to the state will be contained to a very small proportion of it i let us let let bravo in aren't they going to shoot it in somewhere called gallatin montana

57:48Ronnie Karam: which is the same as gallatin missouri isn't that where the mcb's took place or am i doing is my head playing games that i don't know gallatin that i have no idea about tana uh gallatin county is a fast-growing highly scenic region in southwest montana with bozeman as its country Yeah, because I read that they were shooting in Gallatin. And I was like, Gallatin? I was thinking of the McBees, which obviously is Missouri. And I thought, what in the world are they going to shoot for Housewives in Gallatin? We've seen Gallatin on McBee. And now that I would have a problem with, you know, doing a real Housewives show there.

58:25Ronnie Karam: But it's the other Gallatin. It's on Montana. And apparently that's a really rich, foofy area with a bunch of phony transplants. I mean, I'm in. I'm never going to complain about a new Housewives coming out. You can put Real Housewives of a Gas Station. Well, actually, they kind of did on Potomac. They had their season finale in the gas station parking lots and stuff.

58:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

58:48Ronnie Karam: It was great.

58:49Ben Mandelker: Also, what about – what was I going to say? I don't know what I was going to say, but I am also for it. Also, who are these people who are following Nick Vile, but then also are like anti Bravo? What are you doing? You're following the wrong shows. Okay. If you're following any, any podcast that cares about Bravo in any form, then you should be open to the real housewives coming into your neighborhood. That's my theory.

59:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah. They're, everyone's afraid that their area is going to be, you know, be smooched or whatever. Their reputation will be besmirched. But I don't know. That's just the way of reality TV. What are you going to do about it? I did want to tell you one McBee thing before we take calls. Did you see the video of Cole and Steven Jr. in their podcast studio?

59:43Ben Mandelker: I started to watch it, but like the show itself, I found it boring. And so I stopped. What happened?

59:49Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, Ali, his ex-girlfriend, Ali, someone was asking, what about the horse? Didn't he buy you a horse? Where's the horse? And she said, well, I never got the horse. He still hasn't given me the horse. And he went on his whatever they're doing, selling tallow or whatever the fuck they're doing. I just saw a clip of it. But he's like, let me tell you. Oh, first of all, someone sent him an Instagram and said, why don't you give her the horse? And he's like, fuck you, lady. Listen here. You fuck you. You don't know a goddamn thing about this horse. And he just rails into this lady on Instagram.

1:00:20Ronnie Karam: Of course, she posted it everywhere. And then he goes on this whatever it is. And he's like, now, listen here. Everybody's asking me about this horse. Who paid for that horse? I did. I paid$16 ,000 for that horse. You know what? And then I had to pay$2 ,000 to get that horse shipped to me. And then she breaks up with me. And then she cheats on me with some guy at Stagecoach. And what, I'm supposed to just give her a horse? I mean, what the hell? I mean, what, do you want a gift for doing that to somebody? And he's just going off about this horse. Aren't you guys broke as hell? Isn't everything you own being taken?

1:00:54Ronnie Karam: What are you spending 16 grand on a horse for some lady that you've known for a couple of months? What's wrong with this man?

1:01:01Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't understand. I don't understand. They're demented. They're demented. Craven.

1:01:14Ben Mandelker: It's a tree with a hole and a muscle jigsaw. And they're on the internet. What else do you expect? Oh, gosh.

1:01:24Ronnie Karam: All right. Well, that brings us to the end of the listening portion of this show. We're going to take a couple of calls from you guys on YouTube. So stay around for that if you guys want to come on here. We're going to put a link up here for you to join us. Everybody else, thank you so much. We'll be back in a couple of weeks. Okay? We'll talk to you next time.

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