#3520 Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip S504 Part Two: Ego Trip

0:00This episode is sponsored by ZocDoc. Have you been putting off a doctor's appointment or need a dentist and don't know where to start? We've definitely been there and that's why we use ZocDoc. Actually, over the holidays, Michael had a dental emergency and seemingly every office was closed, but we hopped onto ZocDoc, found an in-network dentist, had great reviews, saw real-time appointments available, which was key. It was on New Year's Day and booked an appointment in just minutes. It took so much of the stress out of the already stressful situation. ZocDoc makes it easy to search and compare over 250 ,000 local in-network providers across more than 200 specialties.

0:43So you can find the right doctor or dentist and book instantly. Taking care of your health just got easier. Download the ZocDoc app today and book that appointment on your to-do list. That's Z-O-C-D-O-C. ZocDoc. Meet Amazon Ads rising star Daryl Spencer, who set out to redefine men's self-care with his brand Crown Skin. Amazon Ads helped him grow. I walked away from big tech to build a luxury brand in a category that no one was paying attention to. With the help of Amazon Ads, I'm reaching relevant audiences and competing with the biggest names in men's grooming. We've scaled to over$500 ,000 in monthly revenue.

1:22Watch Crown Skin's story at advertising.amazon.com slash rising-stars.

1:51Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

2:05Ronnie Karam: So she's like, well, clearly Nini's peaceful because look how great she looks and stuff. I was like, boom, yeah, peace. Doctor, you know, doctors. She has really good, you know, work as well. I was like, yep, that peace. And they're like, hallelujah to peace. so they're all giving nini her flowers for making atlantis such a success are we gonna say yeah i

2:26Ben Mandelker: was gonna say i mean she actually does look she does look lighter and happier and i have to wonder in retrospect you know when nini when nini ended her tenure she was in a really bitter place she was unpleasant she had a few years though with air where it's like oh nini it's like this she's like she's become like a monster she's like just a diva it's too annoying but it actually makes me reflect that she was also dealing with like the fact that her husband had cancer and that was probably i think now that i'm older and i'm a little bit wiser and you know unfortunately you just sort of know people that are going through stuff a little bit more i think i have an awareness that like she probably had a lot on her plate emotionally that was coming off like that and And I think now that Greg has passed, hopefully she's been able to now move forward into a happier chapter where that stress is not weighing on her.

3:28Ben Mandelker: And so I feel like we're kind of seeing that with her coming back on the show, if that makes sense.

3:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah, we'll see. Well, it's like we were talking about a while back, probably every episode of this. But you see the clip in the first episode. Well, not even the clip. You see Nini shooting that first scene with Portia in the first episode. And it's like, oh, my God. Any complaints I had, just put them away. Because it's, she's so much. Like, she's so much energy and fun. She makes it so much fun that I'm like, I don't even care. Like, bring back even all the negativity if you need to. Just come back. Just come back. Like, you don't appreciate it as much until it's gone. now that all said she was going through a lot but she was also a lot to deal with like it was

4:17Ben Mandelker: getting really you know she wasn't giving us real you know people go through that in real life i still want her back yeah yeah i guess everyone else gets it i don't think i keep her gonna have bad seasons here and there you know yeah i i guess what i'm just trying to say is i don't think that i personally as a viewer gave her enough grace for the fact that oh she was probably in the darkest period of her life during those seasons there and that's really really hard and so yeah i i kind of like take it all back i think that like you know i i would be shocked if nini doesn't come back for next season of atlanta i feel like this is like the test ground they're testing it out getting their feelers out there so um i think it's what the i think it's what the audience wants

5:00Ronnie Karam: well i'll tell you what i want uh i want to talk to nini and have have some kind of a mess So let me say something, Nini. You ran into Karen and she's like, oh, yeah, I did in Beverly Hills. And you told her, beat up Giselle. What was that about? Yeah, Giselle, because if someone's watching the season and you're being a dick to Karen all season and Nini's watching the season, unlike Vicky, then Nini's going to say, oh, hi, Karen. Hope you beat up Giselle. She's giving you a lot of shit. Leave it to Giselle to be like, you told her to beat me. You told Harpo to beat me. Nini, what do you say about that?

5:39Ben Mandelker: I kind of felt like this was Giselle marking some territory, saying like, it's cool that you're back, but since you've been gone, some other alphas have come around. And I'm just showing, do I care about this? No. But I'm also showing I'm not afraid to confront you about something. It's small, but I'm just showing I'm willing to do this. That's to me how I read that.

5:59Ronnie Karam: Yes, and Nini handled it just as she would any other person that she would consider a peon, which is, oh, so sorry about that. Really? No shade. I just saw someone and we made small talk. That was it. Don't really even remember it, but good to meet you.

6:20Ben Mandelker: it's it's risky because famously giselle is like not known for being someone who reads she's just really good with her confessionals and being shady and stirring the pot so if she if like nini had decided to to read giselle that would have been very fascinating to see how that would have worked out it would have been great actually i love me so i just would have loved to have seen

6:40Ronnie Karam: that interaction yeah but nini wasn't going to give it to her so good for her she's like yeah I'm not giving you that today, ma 'am. Did you not see I just got a standing ovation in this club? Thank you. She's like, I'm standing at Relu Sabu next week.

6:59Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I'm sorry. A little sneeze. I didn't have time to mute my button, everyone. You heard a very small sneeze.

7:07Ronnie Karam: Giselle's saying, you might be Lenithia Leeks, but I'm going to come for you. I'm going to come for you. And it was a fail. It was. yeah so nini just gives her a smile like oh we're just making small talk it was nothing personal and so then they start laughing and saying beat her up giselle beat up giselle she's like well now nini if doesn't if nini does want to beat me up i'm gonna run because she can probably

7:30Ben Mandelker: pounce and pummel me so then nini there so then they're asking what nini has been up to and you know nini says how greg passed and um now she's been he passed about four and a half years ago but for about four years, she's been dating a guy, a new guy, et cetera. And she's like, come on out, which is sort of funny. Like this guy was like waiting in the wings and then she's like going to cue him and be like, you're up, you're on stage now. So this guy comes out.

8:03Ronnie Karam: And yes, well, this was really funny because she goes, they said, are you going to get remarried? And she's like, oh, I don't have to get married. I just love love. And I would love to get married to the right person but i just you know i want to be treated like the wife but i don't want to be the wife and lisa goes yeah me too me too you're married yeah that's very goldie hahn that's so

8:26Ben Mandelker: goldie hahn no they're like what the fuck are you talking about because goldie hahn is famously

8:32Ronnie Karam: not married but still with kurt i know but it's just funny that lisa's like me too i don't want to be married either i just want to be treated like a wife so then nini's like everyone please

8:47Ben Mandelker: welcome nyani so uh here comes nyani and uh he comes to the table he's got like a little he's got one of those little scarf things but it's like it's not a very long scarf so it just sort crisscrosses under his chin and he's like nice and everything and vicky's like oh wow you're so classy you've been hiding him you're so classy i'm like and then uh vicky is her love tank has rustled to life with the arrival of nyany i'll tell you that much yeah me uh vicky was

9:18Ronnie Karam: you know look i'm not a vicky fan so i think that vicky's problem everything that vicky says i'm like is that problematic because she's like oh my god look wow he's so well dressed wow oh my god he was smells good wow yeah it felt so good it's pinging on my radar because is vicky going into heat for this guy but i was just kind of my eyes were narrowed

9:40Ben Mandelker: yeah but she got she was she actually was like very obsessed with him she's like oh my god he smells so good what in the world he's so sexy why i've been hiding it from oh my god he needs insurance

9:52Ronnie Karam: so um they're like oh everyone's like oh my god vicky finally came to life is that what we need a man. Jeez. Like, Vicky is finally smiling and having a good time now that there's a man in the room. So, now they're talking about tonight and who's Teresa going to be. And she's like, I'm going to surprise you. So, now it's time to go. Bye. Bye, baby.

10:16Ben Mandelker: So, time to get back into glam. Lisa is FaceTiming with John. And she's like, I'm so excited about it tonight because I'm going to go as like a country girl. Yeah. I love that. That's my look. I'm going to be a country girl. I'm like, is being someone who lives in Utah, having their alter ego being like someone who wears a cowboy hat, is that really an alter ego? Or is that just an option for Thursday?

10:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I think we've seen you in this outfit. It's crazy, John. I'm going to go as an unmarried cowgirl. girl so uh porsche talks about how back in the day she had a party with derrick blanks a world renowned photographer and he's the one who started the alter ego photo shoot so yeah she's saying what's the other side of me that's the point of it you know like kim kim was a housewife nene went back to her stripper days so they're bringing derrick back to recreate this and then um vicky's like, wait, Patrick, that's my assistant. Who am I supposed to be? Marilyn Monroe? Like, what is this? What is this outfit that you packed for me?

11:21Ronnie Karam: He's like, oh my God, Vicky, you are hilarious. You're Jackie O, not Marilyn Monroe.

11:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah, so she has this like little black wig, which didn't really strike me as being totally Jackie O, but I guess it was sort of Jackie O. It just didn't, it wasn't draping the way I think she was intending it to.

11:39Ronnie Karam: She just blitzed it over her whole face. She's like, oh my God, is this how you wear a wig? I'm so crazy. I don't even know how to wear it. I'm like, my face. Why don't you get me a wig with hair in my face? You are so ridiculous. You have your wig on backwards. How does she even get the Marilyn Monroe thing?

12:01Ben Mandelker: Luann comes out and she's like, I just want to sing Tina Turner right now. I can't stand the rain against my window. Bring it back, sweet. Line. Memories. Oh, my God. Is that a thing in a Ross? You look just like.

12:22Ronnie Karam: So, of course, just like, I'm a Stepford wife or Lucy. What?

12:31Ronnie Karam: Sure. What the fuck are you talking about? And this is your theme. What do you mean you're a Stepford wife or Lucy? Lucy had red hair, by the way. She's wearing a hot wig.

12:40Ben Mandelker: no one did like goth or no one like really did something that was truly against type they just all sort of did like just like pretty alternate looks so the Porsche is like yeah she's like she said she really wants to see the Potomac girls and Teresa says that Ashley will be coming and which we know because we've already seen the previews that Ash Top will be there the drag king persona no one wants any any more of and yet ashley serves it to us now every year yeah no one's no one's begging for but here she comes and robin's coming is anybody asking for robin either karen karen the sarice

13:25Ronnie Karam: who else from there um wendy really yeah a lot of petonic people they could have but robin and Ash Top.

13:37Ben Mandelker: Well, they got Stacy there. Stacy was there. Candace was there. But I agree. Robin. Reasonably shady. I am so bad that Juan Dixon is not here to see Ash Top right now. So Giselle says she's excited to see Ashley because that's her ride or die now. And also because Kyle had tried to blow my head off about Mauricio. and I get it, but misdirected anger because Ashley may be the person that you might want to talk to. I just want to be there to see that go down.

14:10Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so Candace is getting pictures taken when Giselle walks in and she's like, oh, I will not speak to Candace. And then we see the clip of Candace being like, not today, neck. Not today. Not today, ankles.

14:29Ben Mandelker: So vicious. Portia Portia's saying she wants to see the Salt Lake City girls They especially want to talk to the Salt Lake City girls because last week Bronwyn and Whitney were like No one talks to Lisa Yeah, no, we all hate them They're a piece of shit So they want to get to the bottom of that It's time for a commercial It's time for a Crappens commercial

15:00Ronnie Karam: One thing that we're both pretty serious about is furniture in our homes.

15:05Ben Mandelker: That's exactly correct. And as summer starts to segue into fall, I'm enjoying the last few moments of beautiful warm air. What am I talking about? It's Los Angeles. It's all year round. And thankfully, I got myself a beautiful new outdoor loveseat courtesy of Article.

15:22Ronnie Karam: Everything I've gotten from Article is so sturdy, solid, and good looking.

15:26Ben Mandelker: I've been enjoying my time enjoying sunsets on my beautiful Lubeck collection loveseat. And no wonder why I'm having such a good time because Article Furniture is curated for every style. They have a range of mid-century modern, coastal, and Scandi-inspired pieces that not only shine on their own, but also pair seamlessly with nearly any other Article product.

15:49Ronnie Karam: It's fast, it's affordable, and they even assemble it for you. Everything I've bought from Article shows up to my house. There's a really kind person or two delivering it. They go to the room that I want. They unbox it. They put it all together and they get the boxes out of there when it's all done.

16:05Ben Mandelker: And can we talk about the communication? I mean, they were letting me know when it was on the way, when they were showing up at the house. They arrived. They were polite. I mean, the whole thing was just so seamless and so lovely. It was almost as lovely as sitting on my Lubeck love seat on its own. So Article is offering our listeners$50 off your first purchase of$100 or more.

16:26Ronnie Karam: To claim, visit article.com slash crappins and the discount code will automatically be applied at checkout.

16:33Ben Mandelker: That's article.com slash crappins for$50 off your first purchase of$100 or more. In a world where AI is changing every role in every industry, knowing who actually has deep expertise matters more than ever. Upwork connects you with the highly skilled freelance professionals with proven track records, so you can hire with confidence. Upwork gives your business fast access to highly skilled specialists with deep expertise, so you can fill critical skill gaps, launch projects faster, and scale support up or down without committing to full-time headcount. With Business Plus, you can access the top 1 % of talent on Upwork.

17:10AI-powered shortlisting delivers a curated shortlist of top freelancers matched to your goals in under six hours. No endless searching required. Thousands of growing businesses already trust Upwork to hire highly skilled freelance professionals for everything from one-off projects to ongoing support. It's free to sign up and posting a job is easy. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free. That is Upwork.com to connect with top talent ready to help your business grow. That's U-P-W-O-R-K dot com. Upwork.com.

17:44Ronnie Karam: so lisa and vicky are talking vicky's like this is horrible you can't be on 24 7 i'm exhausted it's like yeah it's really hard like thanks for saying that because like i can't be on 24 7 i'd like you know what i just i just want to avoid like you know the people to die like who are gonna like try and make me look like a monster and it's the salt lake city girls another three are coming and they also hate Lisa. It's Angie, Heather, and Mary. And Kyle's like, they're all dead to me. Yeah, right. Kyle's going to be the first jumping on them. Oh, hi, hi, guys. Good to see you. You know that I know Nini, right?

18:25Ben Mandelker: Over the weekend, I randomly watched the second half of Carrie while I was drunk because, you know, that's just where the weekend takes you. Why did the second half? Did it just happen to be on TV? I went to a bar. I went to a bar and it was playing. And so, you know, I mean, by the way, the second half of the movie is essentially just Carrie at the prom and like endless slow-mo shots going up those ropes, you know, famously, because it takes like an hour for them to yank that rope. but um i kind of feel like lisa is carrie i feel like lisa is like she's on this show and she's like on she's basically prom queen and she's like finally people like see who i am and i feel like her castmates have now infiltrated and they brought like a bucket of pig's blood to atlanta and they are ready to yank on that rope and like douse her in front of all of all of lisa's new housewife friends don't you sort of get that vibe definitely um heather yeah

19:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and Bronwyn and Whitney from last week. Mary doesn't really do it, and Angie doesn't really do it in this one.

19:30Ben Mandelker: Let's be honest. Mary is Piper-Laurie. Mary is Carrie's mother, let's be honest. In the analogy. My mom got so mad at me for getting my period.

19:42Ronnie Karam: Just too much. But yeah, Heather is definitely just going over the top this week. And she looks so stupid doing it, too. And she looks so obvious. And they're so ham-fisted on their show, you know, how they handle things. And it's so obvious what they're doing. But in the context of Salt Lake City, like, I guess we get used to it. I mean, I don't get used to it. But people get used to it. But on this show, they can see how clumsy you are. Like, you have no grace with any of this, you know? She's just like, oh, my God, we're going to get people to yell at Lisa. Or we're going to get Lisa to yell at us.

20:21Ronnie Karam: Okay, let's trigger Lisa. It's like Operation Trigger Lisa And everyone sees what you're doing Heather Okay I just don't remember what they were so mad at Lisa about

20:31Ben Mandelker: Honestly, I really

20:32Ronnie Karam: It was all shit that Heather started Remember last year when she started as friends with Lisa And then they were in a store And she's like, yeah, you're just really hard to be friends with Lisa And we just want you to admit Like, you do call bloggers Like, just admit it, Lisa Just admit you call bloggers And then it became this huge mission to get Lisa to admit that she's calling bloggers about everybody.

20:56Ben Mandelker: And defended Meredith about crazy rich Asians and all that stuff.

21:00Ronnie Karam: That's right. And then it devolved into all of that. But it started with the seed, and the seed was Heather.

21:08Ben Mandelker: And it was very obvious.

21:09Ronnie Karam: Always Heather and Whitney.

21:11Ben Mandelker: And it was also very obvious over the course of the season that Heather was looking for a way to separate from Lisa after putting in a few seasons of like, we're friends now, but she wanted to put it all on Lisa. So she was trying to constantly find ways to be like, I'm being a good friend to you. I like you, but you're not being a good friend. And like how she twisted it to say that Heather was being a good friend by accusing Lisa of talking to bloggers. Yes. Being honest. Oh, it was crazy. Okay, it's all coming back to me.

21:43Ronnie Karam: To be more honest and be a better person. Yeah.

21:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I mean, Bronwyn and Lisa, their stuff is different. That's tied into other shit. But I was trying to remember why Heather was so mad, and now it's back.

21:57Ronnie Karam: Well, Bronwyn's shit is also random. Like, Bronwyn started as Lisa's friend and then turned on her because Lisa wasn't standing up for her when Heather was coming for Bronwyn. Because Heather was mean to Bronwyn right off the bat for no reason. And Bronwyn was like, well, Lisa's supposed to be my friend if she's not standing up for me. and then Lisa didn't put me in a room with her and her casita on the vacation. And she just started this. And there's the daughter. Lisa didn't even do anything to her. And then it turned into go speak with my, the in-laws of my kid, of the husband that, or the boyfriend that, the father of my child that passed away.

22:36Ronnie Karam: Whatever. We're extreme. It was so much. But the seed of it that started it was that Lisa wasn't standing up for Bronwyn. And Bronwyn's like, this is housewives. Like if you're, if someone's going to come for you, you have to be able to stand up for yourself. And so that's what the Bronwyn stuff came from. And the little seed of Heather was all the way back in season one. It always goes back to the very first fight. And the first one was Heather saying, oh yeah, Lisa and I were really good. We're friends. We knew each other in college. And Lisa's like, yeah, I didn't really know her. So I just knew her as like the good time girl, you know, like, like lifting up her shirt.

23:13Ronnie Karam: And then Heather was like, how dare you? We are in a Mormon community. How dare you insist that I'm, you know, insinuate that I'm a slut? And then Lisa acted better than her, and Heather is always going to be getting her back for that.

23:26Ben Mandelker: Lisa's scary. Don't forget. She's very scary.

23:30Ronnie Karam: So Lisa's a huge personality, and she will eventually do something for you to rail against. And that's what makes me crazy on Salt Lake City. Just let Lisa do something, and then you can react to Lisa doing the thing. But you don't have to make shit up.

23:49Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So other people are arriving. Mary Cosby shows up as Wonder Woman. Heather Gay is Britney Spears. I'm like, you know you guys are not doing lip sync battle, right? Angie Kay is Cher, which I'm going to put this out there. I don't think that Cher is Angie Kay's alter ego. I think Angie Kay just is Cher. I think like an alter ego would be to be like, I am French or something like a different nationality. I am French.

24:17Ronnie Karam: I think Angie just looked up, who has ironed hair? I will be Cher.

24:24Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she should have had big curls. That's what would have been her alter ego. She should have had like a big, she should have had just like a cute, she should have come as like dame maggie maggie smith just like a curly sort of like put a hair put up anyway i'm not gonna end this thing maggie's giving some notes

24:46Ronnie Karam: okay so they get to the party and uh we see ladies from all the different you know shows mary heather angie candace um and uh this is where giselle and candace just see each other and then immediately walk away from each other. They're like, yeah, no thanks. And so, Giselle says, oh, and Candace, I haven't spoken to her since she got fired. And so they ask, Kyle, do housewives get fired? And she's like, well, I mean, yeah, but a lot of them choose to just move on. They outgrow this. I mean, it happens.

25:21Ben Mandelker: It happens. Someone told us, I don't remember who it was, maybe it was someone who worked on a production company or maybe it was just another Bravo person. I don't remember, but someone once told us, no one quits. They're always fired. And I believe that.

25:35Ronnie Karam: That's what Bethany didn't tell us, but Bethany famously said that. Yeah. Anybody who says that they quits a liar. Nobody quits the show except me. I'm the only one who quit.

25:46Ben Mandelker: So Vicky is dressed as Jackie O, but she does not look like Jackie O. And Luanne's like, she looks like she's going to Jackie O's funeral. Write that one down. It's going in the show. good good bird about jackie oh and vicky okay can i sing tina turner yet i'm your private dancer um so lisa is um saying how she's wearing a cowboy hat because in my dreams i'm like living on a farm with animals with horses feeding the chickens is that like my reality but like my ultra ego was like 100 like that yeah um you know what like in my dreams it's just me cuddling with with the chicken and I'm telling the chicken, you know what?

26:31My life is bigger than all of you. That's just how it is. You don't have to be upset about it. You don't have to be upset about it. Why is that chicken attacking me?

26:40Ben Mandelker: If you've ever seen a chicken eating Wendy's, that would be Lisa Homesteading. Yeah, so Portia's talking about being her whole thing. And then Giselle sees Stacy and she's like, Stacy, what the fuck is this? This is the worst costume I've ever seen. nah. And Rob was like, yeah, you're never gonna get it. And Giselle's like, so you're just Stacey, but wearing a red wig. It's like, no, Giselle, I'm fierce. I'm fabulous. Come on, Giselle. It's not giving that. Victoria's Secret, ice cream. Come on, Giselle, you can do this.

27:19Ronnie Karam: She's like, you are not Dira Banks. Robin, this is the worst Dira Banks I've ever seen.

27:24Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Besides, I think these days, if you're going to dress like Tyra Banks, you have to wear a brown trench coat like she did in that Netflix documentary. So then Drew Sedora is there as she's the princess of rock. And then Ashley Darby dresses Ash Top. America's favorite persona has arrived.

27:47Ronnie Karam: Wasn't Kyle just dressed in country?

27:51Ben Mandelker: Kyle is dressed in country also.

27:53Ronnie Karam: Oh, okay. I'm sorry.

27:55Ben Mandelker: You said Drew, right? No, Drew is. You say a thing, then I hear different things. Drew dressed up as Princess of Rock. She came with a guitar and everything. She's like, hi!

28:09So sorry, I got confused. I was just reading further down the nose. I didn't mean anything.

28:14Ronnie Karam: me so uh and kyle um another person who doesn't watch the black shows by the way uh it's like oh that girl over there is that the girl that i made that made a comment about mo that i talked about on amazon live like like i think that's her the one that's dressed in a suit like that's come on

28:36Ben Mandelker: i actually think that she does watch all the shows she's just being shady by being like is that that girl. Kyle knows who Ashley Darby is. Ashley Darby is not new to the world of Bravo. She's been here since 2016. Ten years there have been Bravo cons. Everyone on Bravo knows who Ashley Darby is. And Kyle obviously knows who she is because she saw that Ashley was in that scene. So she's just being shady. She's trying to have a Mariah Carey I don't know her moment. And guess what? I'm clocking you. You know who Ashley Darby is. Don't make me defend Ash Top.

29:09Ronnie Karam: No kidding. And just a side note for anybody who doesn't already know this, Kyle, you are not Mariah Carey. Okay.

29:18Ben Mandelker: Commercials. Here comes one right now.

29:26Labor Day deals are looking good at Lowe's. Save$10 on one gallon cans and$50 on five gallon pails of select interior paint via rebate. Plus get two 2.5 quart or three quart mums for just $8. A fresh look and savings? Even better. Labor Day deals are on now at Lowe's, in-store and online. Valid through 99. While supplies last. Mum sizes vary by location and exclude Alaskan Hawaii. See store at Lowe's.com for more details. This ad is sponsored by ZocDoc. Hi, it's Danny Pellegrino from Everything Iconic. Have you been putting off that annual doctor's appointment because you don't want to make the call?

30:04Or maybe you've been meaning to find a new dentist, but you have no idea where to start. I find that's especially true when you move. It's hard to find your people. I've been there, which is why I use ZocDoc. Now, as a busy podcaster, parent, and someone who's always juggling a million things, I love anything that makes life easier. And ZocDoc lets you search and compare local in-network doctors with over 250 ,000 providers across more than 200 specialties. You can read reviews from real patients, find a provider who feels like the right fit, see actual appointment openings, and book instantly.

30:35I recently had a last-minute health issue pop up and needed to see someone fast. And instead of calling around or sitting on hold, I found a doctor on ZocDoc and booked an appointment in just a few minutes. It made the whole process so much less stressful. Now, taking care of your health just got easier. Download the ZocDoc app today. That's ZocDoc, Z-O-C-D-O-C, and book that appointment on your to-do list.

31:02Ronnie Karam: Kyle is like, yeah, I didn't know she was going to be here tonight. And like, it took me a minute i was like what i mean it's facial hair mixed with cleavage throwing me off maybe but obviously like actually said something about mauricio when he was an aspen and you know this is out there and it's being talked about on the internet like people will not let me along about him it's all over the national amazon life so you know like obviously i'm gonna say something to i mean do i love it kyle you left your husband for a country star people are gonna flirt with your husband he was the sexiest husband on the cover of people magazine forever give me a break she didn't fuck your husband your husband thirsty ass showed up to shooting on potomac so yeah people

31:42Ben Mandelker: are gonna flirt with him get over it i mean also like give ashley a little bit of grace she spent the past 10 years married to fucking michael darby who basically looks like one of the humans in the matrix that's plugged into a machine okay like just let her let her flirt with mauricio for god's sake she's been with like a hell yeah underground mole man you only find in a spelunking horror movie okay she's allowed to flirt with a handsome man once in a while so ash is like oh kyle's gonna get me about mauricio i did not flirt with that man and

32:24Ronnie Karam: Stacy's like, well, he was flirting with you. No, no, there was no flirting. But he liked you and you liked him. No, no, Stacy, that's not what it was. Yes, that's why you asked him to go home with you and marry you. No, that's not what happened at all.

32:42Ben Mandelker: First of all, I just have to say this whole stupid scene with Maurice. First of all, Mauricio is the one who should be getting flack because Mauricio is the one who inserted himself into the Potomac show and came around I'm like, hey, ladies, welcome to Kimo Sabe. What's going on? Hi, Giselle. Hi, Ashley. How's it going? I'm wearing some cool bracelets. Pretty cool. I'm basically like I'm 23, right? Does anyone want to get their ear pierced? Come on, guys. What's going on? Yeah, exactly. He was the one. So Kyle goes up to Ashley and she's like, um, how are you? She's like, um, well, good. But I think there are some misconceptions about what happened with your ex-husband.

33:20Ronnie Karam: And Kyle's like, well, technically, we're still married.

33:28Ronnie Karam: But your husband is also dating like every 25-year-old model that he sees on the street. So let's stop acting like, come on, Kyle, give me a break. You bought a house in Nashville to be with your girlfriend. Let's stop with this whole Kyle. I'm going to cry every five minutes about Mauricio.

33:48Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry.

33:49Ronnie Karam: i keep on stepping on you because um because i never finished my sentence i act like i'm finished

33:53Ben Mandelker: and then i keep talking i keep making a pause i'm pretty good i feel like of knowing when you're finishing but this time i was so i've just been so honestly this has been bubbling out of me was or just right before this cow says to lou she's looking at ashton she goes normally i'm a girl's girl and i would like fix the back of her jacket but i'm gonna leave it because like you know you know that part we're supposed to split the sew in and take in the back i'm gonna make her look stupid I'm like, so you're not a girl's girl. That's what actually you're showing. And actually nothing you've ever shown on The Real Housewives has ever indicated that you've ever been a girl's girl.

34:26Ben Mandelker: We could have, I don't know, Game Night with Brandi Glanville, Slut Pig, all that. We could have any, like, the way that you were being so rude to Dorit and texting with PK who Dorit is divorcing. You're not a girl's girl. I don't care how many times you run up and embrace Nini, you're not a girl's girl.

34:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So she's like, well, you know, I mean, come on. Like, you need to go for someone who's in the same sisterhood as you, like their husband. I mean, there are plenty of fish in the sea. Okay, there are plenty of fish in the sea. A, she didn't date him, sleep with him, any of that. B, there are not plenty of fish worth hundreds of millions of dollars in the sea that happen to be shooting, showing up the day that you're shooting anyway. So I just can't beat Team Kyle on this. I just can't. Can't do it. What cannot, will not. So Ashley's like, oh, well, sorry. I did not mean to give you that impression.

35:29I'm really sorry.

35:30Ronnie Karam: She's like, well, that was weird. I mean, like, I would never be able to, like, date anybody in the Housewives. Anybody, ever.

35:39Ben Mandelker: Okay, well, we'll have to then have, we'll just have to have a word with a long line of husbands that were trying to date you. one second. Sorry. She's off the market, guys.

35:53Ronnie Karam: So Ashley's saying, okay, you know, Stacy was trying to force this, like, flirt thing, whatever, but it wasn't true, and Kyle's like, well, I never even saw the clip. Then shut up. Yeah, shut up. You never saw the clip. You didn't even watch the clip, Kyle, then you have no reason to be mad. Do your research, okay? I'm going to tell you the same thing I told the drag queens. Do your research, if you're going to be on this show.

36:16Ben Mandelker: also quite frankly anyone who watched that scene when it first aired knew that it was just a producer-driven scene i mean like the flake the fake flirtation with mauricia like kimosabi is it was not it was just a goofy scene for laughs it was not anything deep so the fact that we actually have to spend time for another episode kind of like you know treating it like it was a real flirtation, a real date. It's just so ridiculous. I mean, sure. Kyle can say to Giselle, like, hey, you said, so my husband, who I'm not quite divorced yet from, you said you want to lie with him horizontally. Do you want to explain that?

36:57Ben Mandelker: Sure, it's fine. But really, you're going to prosecute Ashley Darby about this during what was basically a silly scene, and you've been in this business long enough to know that it was a silly scene that the producers were like, let's just pretend to have a scene because it'll be titillating. Come on, Kyle.

37:12Ronnie Karam: yeah so uh ashley apologizes and theresa's like yeah there's a lot of fish in the sea you don't gotta dip in this pond but it does bring up a question why do people why do people want to date fish why don't you want to date like a man why you want to date a fish like why do people keep talking about the fish in the sea you know and i did laugh and cry i was like yeah i mean we You don't need to pump up these guys' egos more than they're already pumped up. Okay. Come on. So they make up. And then Giselle, Giselle's cracking me up because she's like, I'm going to talk mess. And she's holding this microphone that she just keeps talking into.

37:52Ronnie Karam: Her prop, her Diana Ross prop. And she's like, okay, we're in Beverly Hills minding our business. And I see Whitney and Bronwyn. And they're like, how are things with Lisa? And I said, oh, she's a joy. She's great. She's wonderful. And then they said that Lisa is a piece of shit. So I am Diana Ross today, but I'm also Diane Sawyer. I want mess. I'm a journalist.

38:17Ben Mandelker: So Portia's talking to Heather and she's like, so are you guys speaking to Lisa or? And Heather's like, I haven't spoken to Lisa since reunion. Although we find out momentarily that the reunion was filmed four days ago. Or actually, no, I'm sorry. It aired four days ago. So, and he's like, I left reunion. Yeah. I left for Union and Andy asked us to make a pact to move forward. And I agreed to that. So Portia's like, so like, what does it take for you guys to rebuild your, your friendship? Oh, she's like, well, it's like, I don't know how to break it down with like road trip friends. You know what I mean?

38:52Like explain a lot of the, like why Lisa's a monster. But like, I mean, she's the person that I will always have to question. And that's just that. That's just that, Portia. Portia says, the worst thing about meeting another housewife is just to take what you've seen of them on a show and decide that's who they are. I really don't give a damn what they have to say because I have a good sense of intuition and I feel like Lisa's a good person and she may be just misunderstood or maybe somebody's jealous of her.

39:20Ben Mandelker: Portia, I hate to break this to you. You are many wonderful, excellent, iconic things. I'm not sure your intuition is the strongest. We've got Dennis. We've got Shamia. we've got cordell we have your scent on the traitors we have literally everything like intuition is maybe not your strong suit being funny is though yeah so heather's like i want to talk to lisa where is lisa i'm gonna go talk to lisa right now i'm gonna go grab a drink this is gonna require a drink i'm talking to lisa i'm seriously but i'm gonna do it so she goes

39:54Ronnie Karam: and they're kind of they're at the bar behind some people but of course their mics are still on so we hear that and lisa's like oh hi oh you want to hug me here i mean oh that wasn't bitchy don't take it as bitchy i wasn't being bitchy she's like oh my god that was fucking bitchy lisa no i'm just like literally exhausted i know you're fucking exhausted who's your persona supposed to be what are you a cowgirl that's not a fucking alter ego once again lisa barlow half-ass is a dream are you really

40:26Ben Mandelker: fuck off you're going to I mean is she phoning it in yes but in her mind this is she just doesn't realize she's phoning it in she thinks she's actually doing a stand-up job we know she's phoning it in she just doesn't realize it so don't come for her on it let her have her cowboy hat you know she doesn't like to dress up in themes yeah and Lisa's like but I'm not yes you are Why are you getting some math? Just chill out, Lisa. Just chill out.

40:54Ronnie Karam: You chill out. What the fuck are you doing? You're coming up to somebody after just shit talking them to confront them and have a big moment on TV. You're so obnoxious. You're so, like, get some subtlety. You know? Get some art. Where's the art?

41:10Ben Mandelker: And then Heather's like, there's not even a camera. Like, there's nobody on us. Okay, just chill. You're cool. Everything's fine. So Heather comes in, accuses Lisa of phoning it in on the TV show that Heather's not even on. and then riles up Lisa and is like, whoa, why are you so mad? Chill out. Look, there's not even a camera on us. You don't have to get all worked up. You don't have to be fake like this.

41:28Ronnie Karam: That's what she's doing. She's trying to trigger Lisa. Now, unfortunately, Lisa should know by now, seven years later or whatever it is, exactly what Heather is doing, but she falls for it. You know, she's like, Heather, where's this coming from, Heather? And she's like, um, yeah, well, I'm just gonna slip out and grab a Prosecco. I mean, geez, Lisa, God, I'm upset Lisa. Lisa's triggered.

41:51Ben Mandelker: yes like she's just it was really it felt mean it felt really really mean and normally i would have to say this heather is extremely smart and she's extremely shrewd and she's been pretty good about playing the role of someone who can be confrontational but under the guise of trying to improve the sisterhood or whatever and this was a time where she lost the thread and she came in hot and uh she just came off like a mean girl and she doesn't realize that like stepping onto this show she can't control this narrative this is a different show than salt lake city and so what she doesn't realize that lisa's getting an amazing edit on this on girls trip and heather has actually just like stepped into like not a trap but she's made herself look really dumb maybe heather thought that lisa was the villain of this show and thought she was having a heroic moment by like confronting her, but it was a total miscalculation on her part.

42:52Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And I was glad that Portia sees this because Portia was like, I don't give how wrong you think baby gorgeous is. Leave her alone. Like, geez, like wait till it's wait till next season. Just let her enjoy the night. God. So then we see one hour later and some clips from the next episode. And that's when we were, that's when we were saying at the very beginning. Enjoy Lisa's last great moment of grace because next week she shows up an hour late somewhere and they're like, oh my god. You should apologize. That is rude as fuck. How self-absorbed are you?

43:31Ben Mandelker: We'll see what happens. Well, thanks everyone for being here. What a delight. Be sure to catch us later this afternoon on Amazon Live where we'll be talking about Labor Day Essentials. catch you there and talk to you on the next episode bye everyone bye

44:13Ronnie Karam: Hala Nagila Weber. You'll never hide from Heidi Eleanor Jones. It's no BS. We love Hugo ES. Jamie, she has no last naming. Sips some scotch with Jessica Trotch. She's our paliger. It's Karen Gallagher.

44:28Ben Mandelker: She's our favorite streamer, Caroline Peacock.

44:31Ronnie Karam: Kristen the Piston Anderson. Let's give a kisserino to Lisa Lino. Fresh as a daisy is Maisie McHenry. Come again? We're obsessed with Margaret O 'Halloran. Megan Berg. You can't have a burger without the burg.

44:45Ben Mandelker: This is Livin' with Michelle Vivian.

44:48Ronnie Karam: I love a ya, Olivia Williamson. She's the lady of the house. It's Rachel Sherouse.

44:53Ben Mandelker: She sure is swell. It's Raquel.

44:56Ronnie Karam: Yes, we canna. It's Sadana.

44:58Ben Mandelker: Cast a spell with Shannon Spellman. Let's share with Sharon Eldridge. Darn Skippy, it's Tippi.

45:04Ronnie Karam: And our super premium sponsors. She's VVIP. It's Amanda V. Somebody get us 10 cc's of Betsy MD. We're taking the gold with Brenda Silva. Let's get real with Caitlin O 'Neill. Put us on a stretcher. It's Charlotte Fletcher. Don't get salty with Christine Pepper. Can't have a meal without the Emily sides.

45:25Ben Mandelker: Who, what, why, where, and Gwen Pentland. Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall. We got our wish. It's Jen Plisch. My favorite Murdo, Karen McMurdo. Let's get savage with Laura Wildman. In the study with a candlestick, it's Leslie Peacock. We're ride or die for Lisa Rider Baron. She's a whiz, it's Liz Sarthy. Always killing it, it's Lola Alkalani. Roger that, it's Marlis Rogers.

45:50Ronnie Karam: The incredible edible Matthews sisters. She eases our woes, it's Melissa St. Rose. There's a chance of meatballs, it's Rebecca Cloud. She's our princess, it's Rebecca Prince.

46:01Ben Mandelker: She's the Queen Bee, it's Sarah Lemke. We cannot tell a lie, it's Sarah Telafson. Shannon, out of a cannon, Anthony. Please don't stop at Soleil and Pop. Let's take off with Tamla Plain. Strike a pose, it's Tori Rose.

46:16Ronnie Karam: She ain't no shrinking Violet Kuchar. We love you guys.

46:23Ronnie Karam: This episode is sponsored by Nature Raised Farms. There are so many complicated things on Bravo. Like opening the front door on Summer House. Or figuring out how to wear a Linfinity dress.

46:33Ben Mandelker: Or understanding Tom Schwartz's purpose on the Valley. In a world full of confusing choices, thank goodness for nature-raised farms. They believe that food shouldn't be complicated.

46:42Ronnie Karam: Especially chicken. But the freezer aisle often makes it that way. Too many options, too many additives, too many compromises. Do I like complicated chicken? No. No. Chicken should be fun. Complicated chicken, not fun.

46:57Ben Mandelker: Chicken should meet a higher standard. And nature-raised farms is free from gluten, dairy, and soy. There are no seed oils and no artificial ingredients. Also, Nature Raised Farms Chicken is a good source of fiber and only between 8 to 12 grams of fat per serving dependent on the product. Chicken that's just chicken. When food is that simple, there's a quiet joy in it.

47:18Ronnie Karam: And we love quiet joy. Like the moment Erika Jayne puts down her microphone. Keep your life simple with your new favorite chicken. Nature Raised Farms Chicken. Because chicken shouldn't be complicated. it.

47:58For more details, soil offer excludes Alaska and Hawaii.