#3560 RHONY S16E4 Part One: I Bid You Adieu

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2:39Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today in a bright yellow shirt that will set the tone for the very rest of this year. It's Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? How dare you come from my yellow shirt when it traumatized me when I was one years old.

3:09Yes, it's a very bright shirt. You know, it's one of those things that on the internet, it was like, oh, that could be cute. And then in real life, it's like, whoa, holy! What am I, an exclamation on Batman, as she would say on this show? Am I on Adam West's Batman? Boom! Bam!

3:27Ben Mandelker: Blam! Yes, that's right. We're talking about Roni today, which is very exciting. Can't wait to dive into that. Also, very importantly, we are starting our tour this weekend. on saturday we're going to kansas city and recapping the real housewives of salt lake city the one that's going to be airing tonight and then on sunday sunday sunday sunday we will be in chicago and we're going to be recapping the real housewives of orange county and it's funny i was thinking to myself why have there not been more cast trips to chicago there have been so many cast trips to really every city i mean even milwaukee got a cast trip why are we not getting anything from chicago i think the only thing we actually got was vicky herself going to chicago in like season four or something of orange county so um justice for chicago and you know what we can all complain about it together uh tickets are at watch what crappens.com we can't wait to see you all this weekend come celebrate the kickoff of the in the mix tour which will also be leading up to our 15 year anniversary so go check that out later in the month later in october which starts tomorrow which is crazy we've got a show in minneapolis and in detroit and then we have a whole slate of cities tons and tons of cities that we're going to culminating in new york city at the grand finale will be at the golden crappies in february so make sure you do not miss out the tickets are selling very nicely thank you everyone who bought a ticket um and we will see you on the road that is the spiel we're really excited i'm so excited to go back in front of an audience me too i can't wait i'm really excited it's uh you know i've got to work myself up to it you know i'm walking around the counter of the kitchen and then i'm walking around the counter and the table and then i'm tomorrow i'm gonna walk maybe around the counter and the table and maybe the couch until i can just remember what it's like yeah i have to remember to pack the tablecloth the famous tablecloth into my luggage i'm really scared i won't because i'm flying back tonight back to LA and then I'm gonna be in LA for about 24 hours and flying off to Kansas City and so I just as I transfer to like a smaller bag I'm like please don't forget the tablecloth so we'll see I transfer to a smaller bag well I've had a giant thing I know we're gonna reboot the bag I've been having this enormous bag for three weeks I've been living out of a bag for three weeks and i am really excited to just get to a non-checked bag but um i'm excited anyway because i know that bag changing is like a is a good part of your year you love a new bag changing and then organizing all the cords in each little specific pocket oh my goodness you don't even know oh my backpack has been doing well you're right because i am going to also change my backpack i've had my my big deal traveling around for three weeks backpack and i'm going to go to my svelte little weekend trip backpack.

6:21Ben Mandelker: And I'm really excited. You're actually so right about that. I'm like, ooh, what goes in what pocket? Yeah, I know. I love it. I can't wait for you to show me. Because you're like, look at this. And then this zipper opens all the way up. And then it comes out. And then this cord goes in this thing. It will happen. Get ready with me. I have just one question for coffee companies. Why does coffee go so fast? I literally just made this. And look, it's already one inch. It's done. Well, you – I feel like I drink coffee fast if it's anything but black. If it's black coffee, I sip it all day long. But the moment I have any sort of dairy or sugar in it, it's gone in a second.

6:57Ben Mandelker: It's probably because it tastes better that way. It's basically a huge chocolate milk with a couple shots of decaf in it. Yeah. I'll tell you what's not going fast is our introduction. So today we are talking real house. And also we're doing a little bit early today, so I just crawled out of bed. And I'm like, what's the deal with coffee? Coffee, Link. ronnie and i did not have our customary pre-show banter we usually sign on and just sort of like shoot the shit for like five minutes we'll gossip or we'll be like did you read about this and i was like i've got a plane to catch ronnie we're starting and um but you know what though life finds a way it sure does banter finds a way okay let's get into it people are here to hear about real housewives of new york city not my coffee levels which is now depleted but um real Housewives of New York 16, episode four.

7:45Gloves off. The girl off.

7:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I was not here last week to recap the show. You know, I love making a statement. And God, the way I have hated, hated, hated the Roni reboot has been so pure. And so it's like I've got a clean vision for it. You know, sometimes I'm like, I don't like this, but I think people – like no i've always hated the reboot and let me tell you something people um i think that right now roni is actually the best real housewives that's on bravo right now can you believe it can you i can't even believe these words coming out of my mouth and it's not a disrespect to the other two i think that roni is really good right now what do you well um i don't think it's better than salt lake city i do think it's better than oste this year but i think they're doing a great job.

8:36And I was laughing my ass off at this episode. I love that Jessel is triggering the world. I feel like the audience is like, oh, I'm just so offended. I think she's absolutely hilarious. I'm liking all of them, actually. I do owe an apology to the audience because I kept saying Cedar last week. I just kept reading it as Cedar. Yes, of course I know better.

8:57Ben Mandelker: You said Cedar instead of Cedar. Over and over. Yes. And apparently, Brian Moreland was saying Cedar, and I kept saying cedar i don't i don't know why guys i went to hebrew school with my little best friend david bowman back in the day i don't know why i would do cedar it was not a microaggression it was it was just it was aggressively stupid i guess it's a matzah aggression yeah i don't know what it was but sorry cedar lovers uh don't worry as the resident jew on the podcast i will be here to correct you every time you say cedar um i have to say i will say it 10 more times today yeah i do think this i mean it's unfair to compare this to salt lake city the salt lake city's only had two episodes and one of them was a very very serious and sad one and i haven't watched this week's salt lake city yet so it's really not fair to to say it but it's also fun to make a big splashy statement and i will always do that if i can but i do think that roni is like hilarious and i think it's like i find myself cracking up i find myself like really excited to see what these people are doing i think they've sort of gotten back to the what's to making a show that's focused on funny moments and camp and the post-production seems focused on pulling out those moments and the tone is no longer like look at how fabulous we are we are fashion we are new york city in 2025 we are everything it's like not doing that and i think it's it's it had the totally right pivot and i think um laurie from salt lake city was moved over to it is that what i i've seen her name on the credits and i i heard that she's moved over i don't know if she was laurie gordon i don't know if she was there previously and her expertise i believe is showing she's guiding the show brilliantly yeah um you know they could go a little further with getting rid of some of the original sigh is still not really doing it for me but there's so many other people who are yeah everyone i think the show has taken more of a fun tone and sigh is still keeping it in a very like every i'm gonna have a super dramatic scene about horrible things and i'm like we've already heard this a and b and it's not that it's not sad but everyone else is having so much fun i mean even aaron is is flooding her house that was fun that was fun of her to flood it that was fun for fans of aaron you know to see her house get flooded so i don't know um that's that's my only real complaint is like i need more fun from si i i actually have no problem with si i i i thought she really improved last season and i'm totally fine with her she does not bother me whatsoever um and And I think Erin is still a drip, but I love that the show is now being upfront about that and acknowledging it.

11:48Ben Mandelker: And then that's actually the dialogue around Erin is that she's a bore. Because I think previously the show was trying to be like, isn't she fabulous? Isn't she just so cutting and witty and hilarious? And now the show is like, yeah, you're a big womp, womp, Erin. And so that's really good. That really works. And that makes Erin more of a villain. And now I think that Aaron has actually like, Aaron now has the lane that she has always needed. So Aaron's working well in her lane, strangely enough. I think Haley, I had some reservations about Haley initially. I'm no longer have the reservations.

12:23Ben Mandelker: I'm happy. I'm a happy man. And the fact that we've actually gotten so much Martha Stewart, I thought we were just going to get her that one time and that was going to be it. And Martha Stewart, oh my God. She is, she is so funny. I was obsessed with this entire Martha Stewart scene today. But anyway, maybe we should just get into it and we will encounter her. What is that, a child? What does your child need? Hello, child. Do you need something? What is that, your daughter? Oh, it's your son. Well, whose mistake is that? Mine or yours, really? Okay, you want food? Water? Give her some of your water.

12:57Give her some of that water. Just hand it down to her.

13:00Ben Mandelker: She treated that child like a passing dog. She was like, she literally made that noise. She went, hello. Can we get a pop cup for this daughter, son, please? Thank you. I literally rewound it to make sure there wasn't a dog off camera that I couldn't see. I was like, no, they actually, she was actually calling out to the child when she was like, I was like, what? It's brilliant. All right. So we open at Daisy's Passover Seder, which is where we left off last time because Erin heard that she was called Jam and she came in with one of her prepared reads that she worked in. She worked on In the Car multiple times and you could tell how she read it because she's like, well, you called me Jam?

13:48I would rather be called Jam than be the woman that broke up a marriage with eight children. Wow. You should have written yourself a shorter line because that was incredibly awkward getting that i know and then of course you know haley of course takes the bait

14:11Ben Mandelker: well it's not really take the bait but it is sort of taking the bait because haley is like first of all and they're like everyone's like why are you breathing like that you're supposed to come back with me with an insult there's supposed to be a scene and haley's like this is this fucking bullshit again it's not true and it's extraordinarily hurtful and erin has pushed me too far at this point don't fuck with me and she's got i think she got like fresh um fresh lips before she came into the season because she doesn't know how to work them right yet and it's so funny to watch her because she's got like fresh botox and fresh lips so nothing moves on her except her lips and then spit starts coming out of her lips when she doesn't know it and like hanging off her mouth i don't know if you noticed that during i did see this like i saw oh no there was like a spit web that was there i think we talked about it in the trailer when we did a trailer trash we analyzed that she had like that saliva the saliva stalactites happening yeah oh yeah so that's what's happening now and she's like at 22 i got a kiss of homewrecking hayley that's what they call me everywhere homewrecking hayley and it wasn't true and it's unfortunate you've never been through something like that where the whole world is placing a judgment and placing a false narrative on something that never happened because it changes you and it does something to you.

15:38Ah! Ah!

15:41Ben Mandelker: I have no doubt that Hayley went through a monstrous time in her 20s because of this scandal. But I think what's funny to me is that, like, I only have wisps of a memory of her in the tabloids. Like, I remember John 8 plus 8, like, that was a peak thing of the late 2000s. I remember when they broke up. But like she sort of is talking as if this is Monica Lewinsky level. And honestly, I just don't remember her like that. I remember she was around. I remember it was a thing. But she's like, I lost my entire 20s to it. I was like, was this like a 10-year scandal that happened? Like, I just don't remember it that way.

16:21Yeah, but I guess when it's all the magazines and stuff ragging on you wherever you go, it gets you. I mean, I can understand the trauma. I just don't understand how you're ever so young and so stupid. Because I talk about on this show how young and stupid I was all the time. And usually I'm referring to like two weeks ago. But how are you ever young and dumb enough to date somebody with eight children when you're 22? I mean, that's just crazy. That's like whether or not he was on TV or famous, he's still that lump. He's still that lump on a log. And he's got eight children.

16:59Ben Mandelker: yeah yeah definitely not well I mean we are finding out that then it's this is the coercion of her mother which is what this is going to pivot to for the rest of the season I imagine but even then I mean you can you can still I don't know you can figure out a way so yeah I mean I have no doubt that the trauma of being you know hounded by the tabloids definitely haunted her through the 20 through her 20s but it is funny because she is sort of carrying on like this was a thing that like hung in pop culture for years and years and years and years and years and i'm like uh i feel like i'm pretty good remembering these sort of things and i i love this is brad pitt leaving jennifer aniston for angelina jolie this is no brad pitt just watching the pit i mean it's just like it's just it was like a thing that happened like 20 years ago so but so i guess what's funny about it to me is that like i appreciate that she's sharing the trauma that she felt but there's sort of an element that she's almost elevating the scandal back into the spotlight and like oh my god it was a terrible time a terrible time for me remember remember when i was in the tabloids it was a terrible time it was a terrible time yeah like please don't speak to me about it it's the most dramatic thing i ever happened by the way did i show you this magazine cover on tick tock it was i mean everywhere ropes everywhere.

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20:11So Jaisal, who clearly doesn't know what she's talking about, but wants to be on Haley's side because she's against Erin. Jaisal's like, oh, I actually heard this story, I believe. And thank you for sharing that with me because, no, no, Erin, you're a fucking piece of shit. She's like, why would you come for me? call me boring why don't you call me boring now but you call me jam but you call me boring and she's got those wide eyes when aaron is just like i'm correct about something oh my gosh you got called jam and you know to be fair hayley's trauma is you know having an affair with a guy with eight children and aaron's trauma is being called jam so you know what it's a trauma it's a trauma off

20:57Ben Mandelker: because i mean i won't lie i went to a diner yesterday and they had the stack of jams and i thought of erin and i'm not even trying to be funny like not like oh it's not funny i was literally like oh yeah the jams like erin and uh that's gonna stick i have to say i think that's gonna stick because i'm never gonna look at strawberry jams that little stack of jams again without being like oh yeah this is the stack of boring people right here it was a great metaphor by haley so then aaron's with that i could do without it but of course everyone did use the jam so aaron yeah aaron says like why would you why would you come for me and call me boring why it's because you're boring and you demand a lot of it it's not that you demand a lot of attention but people have to shoot scenes with you and they have to like go to your house and like use up their wine and talk to you and you're boring so that's why she complains about it and why do people call it damp outside it's damp outside you know it's just that's that's exactly right that's the next level you're you're like damp outside it's just like getting damp why would they call me boring I don't know Aaron maybe you should rewind three seasons and watch them like the rest of us the question is inherently boring why would you call me boring because you just asked that question so Haley is like you a situation that took me as a young girl that ruined my life she's like first of all it's all out there it's not true you post about it no i don't and then like you said jess was like no she doesn't but jess has no idea what's happening she's just happy for an ally and i just want to say because i forgot to come back to this you started to say it in the intro we said the other day i do not understand the people clutching their pearls about jessel these days like it makes like everyone who clutches their pearls about jessel just remember you're basically aligning with erin right now because like jessel is so funny and like she is so cringy and that is the point she's supposed to be cringy like this is what we have been missing roni is about cringy tone-deaf moments jessel is doing what she's supposed to be doing and that is being ridiculous yeah well you TikTok, I'm not an everyday.

23:10Like, you're like, look at this magazine cover. I'm on the cover of this magazine cover. Look at this. And she's like, what are you? What are you? And then she looks right at the camera. She goes, no, I don't. Spit. The spit's making a star on her face. And Daisy's like, uh-huh, a TikTok. She goes, a TikTok from the summer? And then they correct her. They're like, TikTok. And Jess is like, TikTok. TikTok. so you're showing all the magazine covers that you were on you didn't know i looked at your tech

23:44Ben Mandelker: talk and so we see aaron and she's like oh here it is look and it all has to be blurred out so but we see that there's some sort of video showing cover after cover and everyone's like every magazine cover that's like well that's because she's allowed to talk about her magazine cover but you but you just shamed her for that it's not like you just brought it up i'm sure if you asked her questions like, hey, tell us about that time. She would have talked with you about it, but you actually shamed her and called her a homewrecker. So, of course, she's going to have a reaction. Well, yeah, that's what Erin does.

24:15She'll take one little thing and then twist it. So, she's like, why are you mad at me? It's out there. She's mad at you because you're calling her a dumb homewrecking slut. That's why. Yeah. As someone who was offended by Jam, surely you would understand. Yes, exactly. This.

24:32Ben Mandelker: Exactly. and hailey's like i mean i came for you jam on the table and aaron's like is that nice that's nice that's supposed to be nice see your point is so good like why is aaron shocked that hailey is offended when you when aaron herself is furious about being equated to smuckers yeah at least i'm not slut jam at least i didn't steal the bagels family no fuck you aaron fuck you jam that's nice to say jam this is how we talk you make up shit what did i make up you make shit up and i don't that one jessel over there you know i you make stuff up about her and i see how she moves with i see how you move with this group i see how you move with this group i don't know that you know me very well but i'm a you are fighter so if you say i move shady i'm gonna say you move shady that's how it goes so you are you are oh you're you're a lying ass snake of a bitch and you're a garden snake and I'm a fucking mongoose.

25:30Ben Mandelker: So watch your fucking back and I'm not the one to fuck with." Cut to all the women at the table quietly looking at their phone. What is mongoose? Siri, what is a mongoose? What is a mongoose and why would people compare themselves to one? It's not the most flattering comparison for one to make. Is a mongoose just some sort of goose that's from the Caribbean? Hey mongoose. so uh erin now they're like to reggae is it a reggae goose so hayley's furious she's like i quit i quit i'm going at this point her like her saliva web is really going strong in the corner of her mouth so she starts to get up and then hayley is hayley's like erin you're a weak ass bitch and you come after lying about everybody and you come after people she's like i don't lie about anything this is all outdoor yes you do because it doesn't matter because you're always going to play the victim and i was like thank god thank god someone is saying this i've been waiting two years and a half years for this and then aaron's thing is a you are like she'll give a your fight and then her other thing is just making a question of the last thing you said like she does now i'm the victim i'm playing the victim how am i playing the victim I'm a victim.

26:49And Daisy's like, stop, guys, stop. I spent so much money on the food. But you came for me. We didn't even eat, guys. I worked so hard on this food.

26:59Ben Mandelker: So Haley sits back down. I think Carol's like, I think what she's saying is that they're not comparable. Being told you're boring and then being told you broke up in marriage with eight kids, it's just not the same. Erin is not able to really process that. so Haley just decides she just she has a storm off she pulls the mic off she goes out the front door she goes down the sidewalk so Sai goes to go follow her little high high waters her pants I don't know why I thought that was so funny but she's like I'm walking down the street she's in her little high waters storming down the street doesn't know where to go by the way and I love Erica who's been like Erica's sort of like a non-entity but I actually like her and she's like yeah this is why i like waspy holidays because everyone just suppresses their emotions which i thought was funny um so then cygo's and chases down hayley and she's like so hayley hayley you know what uh you stood up for yourself that's what you need to do you need to stand up for yourself sometimes so good for you get back in the ring go call a boring more that was fun we all loved it and erin meanwhile is like well i didn't think it was gonna go that way i mean it's her claim to fame i thought it'd be good and carol's like yeah but it's not the same who cares if she called you boring i mean who cares but i mean it's out there carol yeah but you're not gonna get any sympathy for me

28:30of course i feel bad that she's upset when this started because hayley was talking about me behind my bag with friends and all i heard was these rumblings and like people like chit-chatting and snickering at me and saying oh look there's a gem that was hurtful what is this fun is this not hurtful and i had i known about it i would have gotten over it but if you're going to be sneaky i'm not down with that uh yeah she said that because you were walking around the party saying she got her nose broken by a dildo or by a boob while she was being dildoed and then told her girlfriend that so it's not like you didn't do anything yeah exactly started it you

29:07Ben Mandelker: being very indelicate with with gossip with gossip or like she told you something privately and then you went and told the girl like that she came with okay you could have messed up her booty that's not good so sai is like hey haley come on no one knows your story you gotta tell people and haley's like i've been fighting my whole life and it never happened i never was a homewrecker i know but you have to understand haley for a very long time all we had was the media side we never had your side and no one knew on that side of your stories you gotta get out there you gotta tell people you know haley is suffering from a little btsd so to bring it up it really negatively affects her erin was wrong for that yeah i'm gonna be honest when i met you i thought you're a crazy bitch but i love you now because you're a crazy bitch so there let's go eat together come on but that's someone who ruined my life they took my 20s where's my 20s they're dead come on no one i will don't let anybody ruin your okay that's up to you come on free food what are you talking about i know you got a bad time in your 20s but matzo ball soup come on now so you're about to go eat some free food with zero salt okay zero salt there's no salt on this food come in don't you want to enjoy a Cedar at 1 p.m.

30:29Ben Mandelker: in the afternoon come on so they go inside and Daisy's like oh my god I have anxiety and just as like are you okay can I help with anything I'm a good person and is he's like no it's just that I worked so hard to make this like did you work so hard I feel like last week wasn't the footage of like someone else making all this food for you it might just miss remembering that Ronnie yeah yeah it was someone who works for her making the food and now she's got the driver back there serving the food so she's like well i'm serving mussleball soup the tuna loves it like oh it's uncomfortable well i love a bowl in my mouth which i don't believe for a second and daisy's like yeah you're gonna have some really good balls in your mouth baby so now they're all sat uh except for hayley hayley sits down for a second but erin's just still staring at her like jam this is nice this is nice you call me jam and so So Haley's like, I'm going to the bathroom.

31:29I'm very uncomfortable.

31:31Ben Mandelker: And Sai's like, do you want a sponge? You want one of my sponges for your makeup? She's like, is my makeup bad? And someone else is like, no, it looks fine. She's like, take a sponge. Just take this whole bag. Just take the whole bag, please. You need all, everything that's in this bag, you need it. Just go in the bathroom and just do something. So then Jessel gives her a bag and Daisy's like, oh my God, Dale. Dale, come in here, Dale. And Dale, we find out, is her driver and her server and everything. He does everything for her. So disappointing. I mean, who else was hoping it was just going to be Tinsley's mom being like, hello, I've been waiting to be summoned.

32:16That's the Dale I want to see. Dale Cooper. It's not her name. Dale Cooper. Wait, what was her name? Dale. Dale. Oh, Dale Cooper is from something else. Dale Cooper, I think, is a porn star. Who is Dale? What was her last name? Dale Mercer. Dale Mercer. I'm just here to remind everybody on this fabulous Seder that Tinsley is still a mess. All right. Can I put that on my tip top? That would be funny. I'm going to do a tip top of all the magazine covers that Haley, that my daughter is no longer on. How about that? Isn't this sad? Look at this Us Weekly. no more Tinsley she's happy somewhere poor thing

32:59Ben Mandelker: oh bless her heart so then we have this like Dale moment where he does everything and it's like funny and then the matzo ball soup comes out and Carol's like Daisy this soup needs just a tiny bit of salt just a little bit of salt I was like man that must be some bland soup if even Carol's like it needs a little bit of seasoning I actually remember it being Cy who's like this needs salt And everybody looked at her like, God, I thought you guys were supposed to be French. But it does. It needs a little bit of salt. What are you going to do? Well, either way, now it's just like awkward sitting around the table and everything.

33:40Ben Mandelker: And Jaisal announces that this is her first time eating matzo ball soup. And she's like, yeah, I don't really get the matzo ball soup thing. It's gray and then the bowl of meat is gray. And it's just like not very appealing to me. The producer's like, it's not meat. She's like, oh, I thought it was a meatball. I wasn't eating a meatball. No, no, Jessel. She's like, oh, that kind of changes it a bit in my head then. She never asks what it is. So she's still going to just be eating some great things she doesn't really know. Matzo ball soup is amazing. I think that that's the best. Am I speaking too excitedly hearing?

34:21by saying that's like the best thing about the religion is the matzo ball soup? Is that too much?

34:29Ben Mandelker: I mean, I think it's definitely up there. I think that matzo ball soup is like one of our greatest culinary offerings for sure. I think so too. You know how Christians go around, like I'm a Christian, my family's Christian. And so we would literally go around door to door as kids or up to people at bars as my mom would, even when she was still drunk and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, you need to meet my friend jesus christ but anyway as part of it christianity is walking up to people um inebriated and then um trying to convert jesus but anyway if jews did that i think that you guys should do it with um matzo ball soup maybe while a barbast rice and album is playing at the same time just give him a double whammy we give him everything i'm trying to think of who else we could we could have a we could show jurassic park at the same time be like look look what you can do um i think matzo ball soup is the best of the chicken soups i'm not gonna lie i i i mean there's not a huge every culture has a chicken soup but i mean matzo ball soup is like it's basically just chicken soup but you have a matzo ball in there right you've got the ball yeah it's like just it's a nice like well seasoned well here's the thing if the matzo ball was not made properly i can understand why jessa was not into it because if it's like not seasoned it's just like dough but if you season it properly it's delicious is amazing it's built a religion so um they talk about matzo ball soup for a little while and aaron is just still sitting there giving those eyes while hayley cries like oh really but you call me jam and that's nice You call me Jam?

36:11And Haley's like, I'm so upset. I'm crying out of my mouth. That is spittle. Wipe that off of your mouth. Wipe it off of your mouth.

36:23Ben Mandelker: So then Carol, as long as things are uncomfortable, Carol decides she's going to, you know, clear the air. She's like, Jess, I just want to clear the air because that brunch on Sunday, I will say I left the brunch a little bit early. And I'm struggling with the love story series, obviously. And Carolyn was a real person and a best friend and a cousin. And it was a very, very painful summer. And so here's the thing. Carolyn was not an aesthetic. And the Carolyn Bessette summer. Oh, so chic. I love Carolyn Bessette summer. Yeah. So it's not a good thing. No, it's a great thing. I agree. I just wish I could have Carolyn Bessette all the time.

37:04Ben Mandelker: I was wondering. I wrote a letter to McDonald's. I said, why don't you have a Carolyn Bessette Happy Meal? Get the children started with fashion early. Am I right? You know, the other night I was watching Jeopardy. I mean, it really is everywhere. And they said, pantaloons. And I said, was Carolyn Bessette a bitch? That's what I said at home on my couch. And I got it correct. It was the correct answer. She's like, no, it's very offensive. You know, when I think about her, I don't think about her clothes. I don't think about her aesthetic. It never even occurred to me that she had one. That's how close we are.

37:42She could have been wearing a Ziploc bag with her boobies hanging down and a paper sack as a skirt. And I wouldn't have thought of that as an aesthetic. I would have thought, there's my best friend, famous person and American princess, Carolyn Bissette. Do you understand what I'm saying? Because she was wearing a Ziploc bag, she wouldn't have been famous, would she? That would have been hideous. Oh, God, thank God she didn't have you helping her with the clothes, Carol Good Lord

38:09Ben Mandelker: Did you ever ask Carolyn what her life was like before she married into a family curse? Did things go well for her before then? Did you ever ask her that? Um, I don't really like this line of questioning I just meant that you looked chic, that's all When you were having one of your best friend walks with Carolyn Bessette, your best friends Did you ever happen to stop in the middle of the street and it started raining frogs on your head? No, that's a biblical curse. Well, I mean, mozza balls, am I right? It's a biblical day. Let's just get on with it. Commercials, here comes one right now.

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41:15Ben Mandelker: You know what would make these matzo balls better? Carolyn Bessette. Can we get some Carolyn Bessette matzo balls around here? I hope I didn't defend you, which is the whole point. Yes, you offended her. And she's like, I'm not offended. And, you know, when I think about her, I just don't think of an aesthetic. She goes, well, all I meant was that you look chic, that's all. God. So rest me. Good Lord. Sorry for trying to make a compliment. By the way, Ronnie, And congrats to you and Brian Moylan, who elicited a full-on response from Carolyn Radswell on our Instagram last week after you guys did your recap.

41:56Ben Mandelker: It was really funny, too. Wow, you guys are really equal opportunity bitches.

42:06Guilty as charged. Carol's like, well, I know. It's just that I don't want to think about it as I re-release a book about it and write more blogs about it. I just wanted to clear it with you because I feel like I have a little resentment. And I don't want the resentment to grow into something else because I feel like it was more Think Bat vibes than anything. And Chesil's like, oh, oh, Think Bat vibes. I mean, let's be fair. She's wearing exactly what Carolyn Bessette would wear. And then we see a clip of Carol walking through the house, just like Carolyn Bessette ringing the doorbell. She's like, ding dong.

42:47I've got a love story to tell you. I called Jessalyn a dingbat because I thought it was actually one of the nicer things I could have said. There's a certain charm about being a dingbat And there's no term in being an idiot and being insensitive and thoughtless and someone who's never trained for a marathon. So, yeah, dingbat vibes. Can I just say in the vein of this, don't ever talk about the Kennedy curse in front of me again. And Jaisal's just looking at her like, uh, all right. It's painful, Jaisal. Yeah, because she lost her husband, you know, Jaisal. I know what happened. I know what happened.

43:28I've seen the TV show Oh yeah, she knows Yes, I watched the show Did you watch it to the end? No, not yet actually No, no, I haven't

43:39Ben Mandelker: But then she says like No, but she goes like, I haven't She starts to say, don't spoil it She starts to be like, but don't say Which is crazy And Carol is like I mean, you know how it ends Okay, is it that they live happily ever after In the Upper East Side? Does she invent gap? Does she invent the gap? Fine, I won't talk about the Kennedy curse Even though they are literally about to destroy the Kennedy Center I mean, how far does this curse go?

44:17I've just got a headline popped up on my phone They're dismantling the Kennedy Center Ah, isn't that nice? I guess that's not linked to anything that's funny oh so everybody's now looking uncomfortable um what do you think about this whole carol thing i get how you wouldn't want to talk about it but it's a national tv show right now it's really popular and that's it like what are you gonna do people are gonna talk about it you literally got back to this show brought back to this show because of all of this stuff being brought back up and the epstein files you know people are gonna i i think i mean look i thought

44:54Ben Mandelker: it was hilarious it was so cringy when when she brought it up but the truth is on a human level jessel was being incredibly insensitive i mean this was like this was her best friend and she's prattling on about like do you think was she a bitch in real life oh my god what do you think about like this she starts treating it like this fun little fad it's like no but there's a real person behind it and then when she starts talking about the kennedy curse let's not forget carol's husband was a Kennedy and died. And so it's really, it's, it's not, I understand Carol being like, fuck this bitch. Okay.

45:30Ben Mandelker: Um, so I think that like, if a normal person had brought it up and asked in a way that was more like, how do you feel about this? How is this affecting you? Like they actually weren't just like mining it for like cheap gossip or like, isn't this crazy? Then I'm sure Carol would be happy to talk about it. But like Jessel was going about it in like literally the most superficial idiotic way which is what i thought was hilarious but i fully fully get why carol was absolutely livid yeah i get it i guess i'm just kind of insensitive because like if somebody told me oh my best friend was george washington i'd be like oh my god were his wooden teeth disgusting okay whose teeth are better george washington's or shep from Southern charm.

46:18They'd be like, oh my God, that was my friend. How dare you? I don't know, but you're friends with George Washington, so I have to ask. Yeah. So maybe I'm just an insensitive prig, but.

46:26Ben Mandelker: I think that there's like a way to broach it where you say, hey, like, you know, seeing that now everyone is fascinated by your dear friend and everyone wants to like emulate her, like, is this in a weird way sort of a lovely tribute to her legacy that people are remembering her all these years later and that she continues to have a profound effect on society? Like that could be like, actually, yeah, it's real. It's not really nice, but not like, what do you think about Carolyn Bessette's summer? It's so chic. I love the look. I love the streamlined look. It's just wonderful. I love it. But you know what?

46:58Ben Mandelker: It's going to be out before you know it. Isn't that sad? And then everyone will forget about Carolyn Bessette. So amazing that you've got a friend that's, you know, going to be fashionable for a minute and then going to be out of fashion again. And unfortunately, she's dead, so she can't change her fashion. So she's just going to be left in the unfashionable past. All right, could you pass the jam? Hang. Is that nice? Is this nice? So everyone's uncomfortable. Hayley's still, like, crying and spittling down her chin. And everyone else is moving on. But Hayley will not move on. And she's like, after Aaron emotionally annihilated me, like, I just don't feel like talking.

47:39So, like, thumbs up to Daisy for great food. But thumbs down to Aaron for Aaroning.

47:45Ben Mandelker: i mean all right haley is in the corner like she's actually like sniffling the the whole rest of this the satyr she looks like she herself was assaulted with all 10 plagues and had the red sea collapse on her i mean she's just she looks like she's gone through it so everyone's like embodiment of the kennedy curse she is she is the burning bush at this point so um wait is that sacrilegious so then Haley the burning bridge oh is that one the bush burning bush oh the burning bush oh God it was God that's why I said is it sacrifice yeah that's when God let's just say that didn't God tell was it Moses he told somebody to sacrifice their own son he's like should I do it the bush told me to do it I probably should do it that's Abraham that's a whole different that's a whole different timeline that's like the the prequel to Joseph and the Amazing Dining Color Dreamcoat oh no No, the thing was that people had to kill.

48:41Ben Mandelker: It's a whole thing. The point is that Haley looks like she's been doing the story of Passover herself. Yeah, what did the burning bush say to Moses? I'm looking it up. God spoke to Moses from the burning bush in Exodus to call him to lead the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt. Oh, yeah, there you're right. What burning bush? I literally, the thing with Passover is you go through the story every single year so you never forget it. So let me tell you something. when it comes to burning bush knowledge, I'm on top of it. Sacrifice a son. Okay, let me see. That's Abraham, I'm telling you. What burning bush said to sacrifice a son.

49:18God tells Abraham to offer his son Isaac. Abraham, I told you it was Abraham. But then an angel stops him right before he did it. Yeah, the story of sacrificing a son involves a regular thicket or a bush where a ram was caught, not a burning bush. God, bushes have so much work in the Bible. One's burning, one's catching a ram.

49:42Ben Mandelker: Very busy. Gotta watch out for the bushes. So now they're talking about the house that they're having the Seder in, and someone makes a joke that there's no popcorn ceilings, and Carol's like, Jaisal, you called it this a popcorn ceiling? And Daisy's like, no, you were making fun of my apartment. She's like, no, I mean, I thought we, it wasn't that we were making fun of your apartment. I just thought, like, I thought we were laughing together. Like, look at how shitty your apartment is. And we both would laugh with a shared acknowledgement that you live in a dump. No, but I feel like it was very judgy.

50:23Well, I honestly thought we were laughing together. Remember? And Erica's like, yeah, I did too. I mean, we were laughing together. It's popcorn ceilings. Come on. Jeez. God, was there a Walmart upstairs? We should just all go try and get discount, you know, Celsius. I mean, what the hell? It's pretty tacky. I mean, it was funny. Yeah, like, I don't think we were laughing at you. We were laughing with you in your apartment facing you. We were laughing facing you.

50:51Ben Mandelker: Laughing. You were being serious, and we were laughing in your direction, but not at you. just surrounding you with the sound of laughter so that at some point you would feel shame and adjust your ceilings. So Aaron's like, no. You walked into her house and you said popcorn. Oh, shut up, Aaron. You weren't even there, all right? You weren't even there. Stop inserting yourself. Oh, this is nice. This is nice. So Daisy's like, thank you. I just feel like everything was judgy. It was very, very judgy. I'm like, you work for Martha Stewart. She's judging you every five seconds on this show, okay? You're used to it.

51:25Ben Mandelker: So Sai's like, well, the – Martha Stewart has 100 % said something about those popcorn ceilings. 100%, probably 20 times. Like, oh, you've still got the popcorn ceilings, huh? We're going to fix that because it's kind of ridiculous. Come on. Let's get it together. You know who's sitting underneath the popcorn ceiling right now? This guy in my hotel room. Big popcorn ceiling situation here. Also, I feel like – I mean I know popcorn ceilings aren't popular and it's like, okay, we don't want popcorn ceilings. But people also go way too nuts about them. Like, quite frankly, we're not really looking at them that much.

51:57Ben Mandelker: I think we can all survive. Oh, really? You didn't walk into your hotel room and go, oh, popcorn ceilings. I did not. I did not. I don't believe you. No, it's true. I never – I don't really have a popcorn ceiling issue, to be honest. Like, I prefer not to have them, but I don't ever – I don't just lit up with popcorn ceilings. I don't. You know why? Because we once covered – I think one of the first Dwell Hellos we ever did was this episode where there was this couple that went to Destin, Florida. And this woman walks in and goes, Fred, look what I see. Popcorn ceilings. And I don't know. I think I just decided I did not want to be that woman ever because she was awful.

52:39You didn't want to be that lady from the home show. Yeah. Well, there was also that lady who was like, oh, I want a wall without orange peel. and I had never even heard that term of the texture on the walls, like the orange peel texture and every home they went into. She was like, here we are, another home with home peel texture. I said, I don't want home peel texture. Lady, every house is going to have a texture on the wall. That's it. That's just how houses are. It's like, no, you failed here.

53:09Ben Mandelker: So anyway, they start talking about this popcorn ceiling and everything and now, you know, Jus is like, Erin, stop inserting yourself. And Daisy's feeling very judged So Sai's like, do you feel like you're being judged because we all live differently? Like our apartments look differently. Is that what it is? And she's like, no, I mean, I just like it's annoying. Like I don't care. But you do care. You do care. And there's something about it that's bothering you. I think that you're bothered by the judgment about your popcorn ceiling. What is it about the popcorn ceiling that's bothering you so much?

53:40At first it seemed like Sai was going to be standing up for Daisy. Like are you judging the popcorn ceiling? but it wasn't it was like coming for daisy which i thought was funny she's like oh yeah you got a problem with popcorn ceilings people mentioning your popcorn ceilings wow that's weird daisy and everyone's kind of confused and erica's like oh my god should we just fix the popcorn ceiling i mean should we go and fucking scrape it and fix it like what do you guys want from us yeah it's

54:06Ben Mandelker: good point that she brought up and so then i think cy at this point was like a little drunk and she was just trying to segue into her own shit so yes so erica's like i mean i'll do it myself i mean and I am in better shape than everyone here. And Daisy's like, I mean, Jaisal's like, does everyone have popcorn ceilings in the building or is it just you? Are you just like the eyesore of the entire building? It's like, no, nobody else has popcorn ceilings. So then why do you have popcorn ceilings? Listen, we're just trying to help.

54:38It's neither Jaisal or Erica. Erica won me over in this too because Erica was right with Jaisal and they weren't going to back down. It's like, what, it's popcorn ceilings. You want me to get rid of them for you because they're disgusting? Okay?

54:51Ben Mandelker: We could do this. We could fix it for you. Like, why aren't you just paying someone$100 to scrape that shit off? And Daisy's like, you know what? Because we've lived there for 25 years. Eugene's been there. I mean, we paid like$300 in rent. And then they're like, what? And so it turns out it's a rent-stabilized apartment. And then everyone's like, oh my god. Well, rent-stabilized is different than rent-controlled. Rent stabilized still goes up. So is it rent stabilized or rent controlled? And I don't think it was$300 because that's crazy. I don't think it was$300. And their rent does not go up.

55:24Ben Mandelker: I actually found this out that Daisy's rent does not go up at all because she has popcorn ceilings. So therefore, no one wants. They're just leaving them to keep their rent low. It's always detracting from the value.

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