#3580 Real Housewives of Potomac S11E02 Part One: So Far, Sofia Good

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1:54Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker, and joining me today is the one and only Ronnie Karam. Hey, Ronnie, how's it going?

2:05Ronnie Karam: Good. How's it going, Ben? Long time no talk.

2:09Ben Mandelker: I know, right? It's been all of, like, you know, 18 hours. Last time I saw you, we were in Detroit together just last night. And thank you to everyone who came to our Detroit show and everyone who came to our Minneapolis show. We had quite the doozy. Those back-to-back shows were amazing. and now we have the rest of October off from touring and then we will resume the first weekend of November Philly and DC you better be there or be square because those two are some of our biggest shows that we do over the entire tour so we don't want you to miss out all the tickets are at watchwhatcrappins.com and also if something looks weird for some reason in Detroit our ticket link said sold out the day of which I'd love to say that we were sold out we were not sold out so if something weird looks like that happens shoot us an email or message us um and we'll be sure to tell the powers that be to get on top of it because we don't want you to miss out on getting a ticket to our shows because we have so much those are weird emails getting

3:12Ronnie Karam: emails from people like uh guys you sold out well how do they know we didn't sell out you know and you're just asking for a deluge of emails that's true well we do get sold out hopefully it's a deluge we do sell out we do sell out the time but if you checked it's more like if you checked

3:28Ben Mandelker: like two days ago and there were a bunch of tickets and then you check the next day and that's all of a sudden sold out like as much as i would like to say there was a rush on watcher crappens usually there's some some something went wrong um anyway speaking of sell out let's sell out some shows shall we uh after philly and dc we are going to dallas austin and houston in in november in december we're going to nashville clearwater and fort lauderdale and then the New Year, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, Denver, Charleston, Atlanta, Seattle, Vancouver, Portland, Toronto, Boston, and New York City for the Golden Crappies on February 25th.

3:59Ben Mandelker: And that one will sell out. That one sells out every year. So don't miss out on that. That's going to be amazing. So, and then today, if you listen to this in time, which I guarantee you won't, we do have Crappy Hour. That is, so catch the replay of that on our feed. And also I posted a new episode of What's Your Order? And Laura Shanehalls, Laura Marie Shanehalls from SexyNique Podcast. Join me as we ranked the top five Real Housewives songs of all time, which of course we filmed right before Hypocrisy and Bullshit even landed, so it's already out of date. But it was a really fun discussion and that's on our YouTube, so go check our YouTube.

4:37Ben Mandelker: I know, right? That really is some crazy luck

4:40Ronnie Karam: that you did that and then that song came out the next day. Iconic. Well, you can do a follow-up episode totally you can do a follow-up episode just about that the top the top lines of that song i mean there's only four words best words best words in hypocrisy and bullshit top words and hypocrisy and bullshit you know um thanksgiving season is coming up and i'm just so grateful what are you grateful these shows are so good right now we had the hypocrisy and bullshit episode of salt lake city and today we have a color purple themed real housewives of potomac in a med spa when i tell you i died i was watching this on the plane and literally laughing my ass off and the lady next to me god bless her was reading some kind of literature and she just kept looking at me because i was wearing the video sunglasses things i wear she just kept looking at me i said i'm sorry i'm sorry to do this while you're like reading literature but i'm watching real housewives and she's like oh you had your sunglasses on you're just sitting there laughing and she doesn't see the wire hanging off because it comes off the other side she was on my left hand side and she just kept looking at me and i said i i'm not i'm not high i'm just high on the housewives darling what a fucking funny episode man for those of you who don't remember why karen's a classic you know yeah she goes to prison some of us cry some others are like what why are you so upset what do you mean that there's fucking season without karen this is why who throws the color purple themed bench mom party yes i loved it it's one of my all-time

6:18Ben Mandelker: favorites it was outstanding i too was watching this on the plane and i was laughing i was sitting there chuckling um and having the best time i have to tell you also kind of feel bad for the newbie courtney i'm sure we'll get more of her and she'll get into the mix and we're gonna see like we're gonna see her unique brand of crazy i hope but the truth was that there was the the current cast without her and including robin i'm gonna say including robin they are like all showing up and they are doing what they need to do they're putting on such a good show that when we got to this when we got to the to the color purple med spa party the sophia's home party later in the episode and t at one point's like oh claudia i guess she's not here it's like oh yeah there's There's actually a full-on other full-time housewife who's not even in this scene, and we just didn't even notice.

7:12Ben Mandelker: I mean, I know she's new, but man, she's going to have to really work hard on this season because they're bringing it.

7:18Ronnie Karam: Not only did she say that, no one really responded. Like, no one cared. I think someone was like, well, maybe Karen didn't invite her. Anyway, you know, there's just so much to do. I don't really feel bad for Courtney. I like her. I like her personality. I loved her kids. I loved the scene with her kids. And I am going to find this hilarious. I think I'm going to find her hilarious. But oh, my gosh. I just became a preacher. You know, it's like everyone comes on Housewives to sell something. And you're like, what's my product going to be? It's going to be Jesus. I'm kidding, Mike. You know, I guess you have to hand it to her.

7:54Ronnie Karam: I didn't really feel bad for her because I was like, oh, no, no. Not another religious scammer. but then i saw the scene and actually now that i'm now that i'm saying it out loud i'm like what

8:04Ben Mandelker: am i complaining about i'm actually into this like i like this um the truth is that uh we sort of have a reverse kawaii going on kawaii comes on to salt lake city and she's like all over and we're like why isn't she a real housewife it's sort of surprising like does she maybe just like does she fade out does she lose steam and now we have courtney who's coming on very much like friend of energy i'm just i'm just going to assume that like she wasn't even but she like not even supposed to be like a full real housewife and then the craziness gets hatched and they're like oh yes making her full time that's what i'm hoping for because i do love when that happens i don't know

8:45Ronnie Karam: who knows but you never know what's going to work out on these shows and they've been pretty good at bringing people on and just letting them kind of grow into it you know everybody's given their season of tryouts or whatever at their auditions, but her kids are damn cute. And renting a chapel to sell your first Housewives preacher scene. I mean, this episode was really good. It was a very strong episode. So it's Real Housewives of Potomac Season 11, Episode 2, Sophia Home.

9:23Ben Mandelker: now what it was called sophia home my first thought was like it sounded i was like as karen could be doing some sort of like new merchandising where it's like homewares and i didn't know what the sophie i didn't get the reference um at first and apparently a lot of people in the cast didn't get it either because what is a sophia home party like i literally thought it was going to be like linens and like bedside items sofia home well i was in jail and i realized the value of a good linen thread counts matter when you've been in the clink you realize how what it feels like when you're sleeping in sandpaper so now i've decided we're going to make some new linens based off my cousin sofia so that's what i thought that's what we're gonna get i'm not even joking and little did i mean i didn't know i didn't know what the title was

10:12Ronnie Karam: referring to but i read the title and i was like oh my god that's that sounds like color purple but i thought how why in the world would they be calling it that and then when it came on yeah just get yeah let's just recap the episode yeah let's just get into it just keep talking about how much i love that but i mean i read the book i think i read the book twice well almost twice i read it like once and a half and then i watched the movie multiple times and then of course the musical and the movie musical right really good and i just went to see cynthia revo as i told you and was like where is the seeley song from color pearl where is this so it's been on my mind so i saw no and she also didn't sing um defying gravity which i kind of loved the fuck you from cynthia revo because someone was like my daughter was crying we went there just to see you know my daughter just wanted to see that and i said i kind of loved that for cynthia revo that she was like i'm not giving you that no i'm not surprised i'm known for other arts and i'm known for other pieces of art and you will only get them um okay sophia home it was weird that she did tom's diner

11:21Ben Mandelker: though i was like really cynthia revo bringing tom's diner to the hollywood bowl not what i expected.

11:31Ben Mandelker: Anyway, I'll move on. I've been on the plane all day. Don't mind me, everyone. Also, I'm not for people who are watching.

11:36Ronnie Karam: You've really had that song on your mind quite a bit. I have. I have. For people who are watching with Crapins On Demand,

11:43Ben Mandelker: for people who are watching on Crapins On Demand, I'm assuming I'm pixelated right now, and I just checked and my internet speeds are low. So thank you, Spectrum, for really helping define this. So I apologize to people who are just seeing a big old mush of my face right now so you look clear to me i want to say that okay good

12:01Ronnie Karam: because i was afraid i was afraid um okay so well if you did get a blurry face maybe you were at the sofia home party getting something lasered uh so we start where we left off last week yes a lot of us are trying to look blurred out okay um tia is so we come back where we left off last week where Tia is telling Wendy and Stacy, her best friends, that she did talk to Rob about having a dating profile and he admitted it. He was like, yep, I did. And he said he felt lonely and he was looking for some attention. He's been on it for a year. What do you do?

12:48Ben Mandelker: You don't even think to be respectful enough to cheat like everybody else does. quietly and with discretion. You want to humiliate me is how I felt and how I feel. What was interesting, though, is that the site was still up and, like, literally I had to ask, do you think you could delete it? And he's like, oh, yeah. This fucking asshole. I know, like, he didn't even think, he's like, you know, he's like, but I have so many good messages on there.

13:17Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah. I mean, at first I thought, you know, because I'm a gay, so I thought, well, maybe it's one of those people like one of those grinder people is like just here to make friends who's on grinder to make friends but you know they're they're out there i'm not saying he was on grinder i'm just you know as a gay i i guess there are people who do that um but not your fucking husband that's crazy and this is a very old school marriage kind of thing like you can do whatever you want well i guess it's still a modern day marriage thing you can do whatever you want just don't make me look stupid you know right and he not only made her look stupid he was like what i mean for christ's

13:57Ben Mandelker: sake man like it's just crazy that he didn't have the thought that um hey my wife is on tv now i probably should be more discreet about this kind of stuff but instead he's like nope i'm gonna put my face up on a profile it just goes to show you know you always wonder why people like how people people just don't think and they just i thought i was gonna lead to a point i just but my only point is that people just don't think like for instance if you start a sentence and you think it's gonna go somewhere sometimes you just don't think and then it arrives nowhere but like you just see it with politicians you know like when politicians have an affair or like whenever there's something you're like did you not think you're gonna get caught you're a public figure what were you thinking and like it always happens well a lot of times when people have affairs or

14:45Ronnie Karam: whatever you know the sins of the flesh you know we get horny you know it happens this is even more offensive i think because this isn't even just like well you know i got a boner and it controlled me you know like the usual shit you hear it was just one time this is someone planning and going getting the app and filling out a profile and going and waiting and trying to cheat this is This was so much worse. And it also seems to coincide with when she got on Housewives because she wasn't on Housewives when he started this. She says later in the episode that this – he admitted to – oh, no, right now, the line I just said, that he is – he did it a year ago, which is probably roughly right after she started filming Housewives.

15:31Ronnie Karam: It's like, can these husbands just not take it? Or does he think that she's going to be busy? whatever it is fuck that guy i don't know guys it's crazy um and so wendy's like you know it's

15:44Ben Mandelker: not okay you know i think you're carrying enough already because as mothers we have a tendency to want to fix things but we messed up it's his burden let him carry that tia because the question is like what does tia do now is she gonna stay with him does she not stay with him and i like

15:58Ronnie Karam: and it's also a question of have you told your children and what you know how are you going to deal with your children and she's saying you know my daughter is learning how to you know let men how you allow men to treat you and stuff like that and this is devastating and wendy says let him carry it i don't know about that i and what do i know i'm not married or a wife or have children as everybody knows but i would not let him him go tell the children i would tell the children because he'll spin it you know he's always gonna the guy's always gonna spin himself to look like the victim you tell the kids but i think that i think that should be basically saying like

16:41Ben Mandelker: he's the one who fucked up like it's the burden is not on you to make everything okay to make like make sure he's deleting like it's like he has to fix things yeah it has to be him like you like you don't have to suddenly be the one who who like spills like who cleans up his milk that

16:55Ronnie Karam: he spilled um which i agree with well yeah the children that he's the one who spilled the milk is what i'm saying and then they can carry the burden or he can carry the burden of you know his children calling him a milk spiller well no i think that what you do is you just you sit there

17:12Ben Mandelker: with him to make sure he doesn't spin anything but like it's up to him to have to say those awkward first words to have to admit it like like she doesn't have to say a thing she can just sit there and he has to sit there and he has to stand there in front of his kids and tell his truth and then if he doesn't tell his truth that's when you that's when you step in but it's like it's not up to her to be like well we are done i mean i think this is okay well then you know what like a good

17:37Ronnie Karam: married couple i will compromise with you thank you because i do think that that's a good alternative that he has to tell her but she can be there yeah yeah she definitely should be there and like she's kind of like um she's like standards and practices as in he has yes he can't raise her standards

17:58Ben Mandelker: and she needs to adjust his practices uh no like he he will put on his performance and she will have she'll have the button to be like

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21:22Ben Mandelker: Yeah, they have a massive library of audiobooks and ad-free podcasts. And it is really the perfect thing to turn on when you're taking a long drive, washing some dishes. Like, enrich yourself.

21:32Ronnie Karam: New members can start listening with a 30-day free trial at audible.com slash WWC. So then we go to Beautiful You Health and Wellness Center. And anyone who goes to a med spa recognizes this fucking place. When they showed up and they were like later in the episode, they're like, what is this? This is just some no-name strip mall with nothing on it and an empty parking lot. Yes, it's a med spa. Have you been to one of these before? the insides are plastered with like you're good enough

22:08Ben Mandelker: you're beautiful there was one poster that was it took the word beautiful and split it up the first line said be like be and the next line said you like y-o-u be you and then the third line said tiffle I was like oh you just gave up there's nowhere to take it be you tiffle the word play can't go any further

22:30Ronnie Karam: I was getting Botox one time and I was staring at the wall. They have all this shit all over the wall. All of them do this. And it said something like, just, you're good enough. You're good enough how you are. I'm like, well, then what am I paying you all this money for? Don't tell me that. You need to say, I see you. You're ugly, but you're not going to be when you leave here or something. Like, try and sell it. You're good as you are.

22:55Ben Mandelker: I would have a post up that says, get more friends. You should be reading a text message instead of me.

23:02Ronnie Karam: signed the poster on the wall. Why aren't you scrolling on your phone? What are you reading posters for?

23:07Ben Mandelker: Do you know what's happening out there? You should be doom scrolling.

23:13Ben Mandelker: This is a really upset poster.

23:15Ronnie Karam: So we're here because Karen is planning her event with her event planner, Carlos. And she's like, Carlos, I've got your work head out for you. It's very important to me. I want to lift the girls up while we're celebrating my release at a med spa. All right. I want to transform this health center into a place for us. I want them to feel like when I left the jail. When I left the jail.

23:43Ben Mandelker: She says it's a soft place, and I'm sure all of us Bravo watchers were like, whoa, Karen, you kind of can't steal that concept, okay? Carlos turns out to be Carlos. Soft place. Soft place after jail. That could have been my brand. It was soft. A soft med spa. as if like these med spas are like hard but then again when you see the outside it is in it really is in it's more than just like a strip mall this is like a full-on generic office like industrial park and um so karen though is she's gonna be is that where yours was it's like really in like a big nameless building next to like some of them i guess that's where a lot of office and

24:24Ronnie Karam: some of them are you know some of them i'm walking in there kind of looking around like this is where and buying coke or and they'll just have like a little sign like doc you know doctor in quotes of course you know i'll go for a cheap botox too so i don't know i think all those medical

24:40Ben Mandelker: buildings can be so depressing um because that that you know like when i go to the dentist the dentist is like one unit and like there's like an orthopedic thing there and i don't think of that it looks like oh here's your knee replacement office and here's where you get things stuck up your butt and i don't know it just always feels like it just smells like chemicals and um people who were had to wake up a little bit earlier than they wanted to to get to this appointment before work and yeah they're depressed those are depressing spaces i'm sorry i'm sorry but they

25:12Ronnie Karam: just well it is i mean you're going for medical work nobody wants to go to get stuff done you know it's like going to the hospital like you smell like hospitals we all knew what that meant We've all been one in one. Yeah, nobody wants that. And that's why it's funny that Karen is just framing this like, I want everybody to feel like they did right when I came out of jail. Not Botoxed, not made up. I mean, right after jail, you haven't had anything done. I wouldn't want anybody to feel like I just got out of jail. I want you to feel maybe like I felt a week after.

25:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. You know what I want these medical office complexes to be like? I think this is what they need to do. Rent out half or three quarters to the medical professionals because they need to do their work. We need to have those offices there. and then the rest of the office space release it to uh people in the performing arts because when we were doing our cabaret and we went to our rehearsal space we'd have to take an elevator up to amda and this in new york city which is the american music and dance whatever it was like the performing arts space and you walk out you come out the elevator and you just hear pianos and hear people go and then like tap dancing and then like two three four and it's like so exciting and like imagine if you went to the dentist and what you heard was people doing vocal warm-ups for like into the woods i feel like that would change the vibe significantly instead of

26:47Ben Mandelker: instead of the sound of every receptionist going hi ben that's how every receptionist at a medical facility greets me by the way that's like like doesn't matter what what it is it says hi ben whenever I walk in. I don't know if there's like something like if you're going to be the receptionist, you have to do a sing-song hello to me. I don't know. I don't know where that was.

27:09Ronnie Karam: I love it, by the way. You're like the norm of these offices.

27:14Ben Mandelker: It's been like that for years. It doesn't matter where I go. I can go to a place for the first time. They'll be like, hi, Ben. It's the funniest thing. But I mean, if they said, hi, Ben, I'd be like, what the fuck? This nasty-ass service here.

27:31Ronnie Karam: okay every time i go to a medical place they're like um you have to fill out these forms i'm like again they're like you haven't been here in 10 years you you have to make some kind of effort i get um chastised they don't greet me happily and then i walk in behind you hi ben exactly or they're like are you okay because i'm bleeding or about to have a heart attack or some you know, whatever emergency has brought me in there. All right. The point is we're not even through the first scene. So she's going to, no, it's not. So she's having the Sophia home celebration and they just look at her, which I was kind of mortified by, because I just, I'm such a big fan of the color purple, obviously.

28:19Ronnie Karam: And she had to explain it. She's like, you know, when Oprah, you know, color purple, when Oprah was like free, would you remember this? And they're like, oh, sure. Mm-hmm. Okay, crazy lady.

28:32Ben Mandelker: And the production doesn't even want to bother explaining it. They just put up a little blurb on the screen that's basically like, hey, if you have no idea what this is, just press pause and read this. Okay, now go forward. So they show that it's like, you know, Oprah's character goes to jail. She comes out. And then she has a rough time. So anyway, this is what Karen is identifying with the journey. Sophia's journey.

28:56Ronnie Karam: So she's going to have a color purple theme party. Everybody has to dress in purple. And Giselle is, we see a montage of Karen events. Oh, wait, is this it? Is this a montage? We just see a clip of 2024.

29:15Ben Mandelker: Well, because Karen's like, well, I'm sure if Giselle was going to throw the party, she'd want the theme to be jumpsuits, jail jumpsuits. That girl is a mess.

29:29Ronnie Karam: um so then we go to stacy's house and stacy is in the kitchen with araboa

29:38Ben Mandelker: stacy goes down to get a kiss from the dog and the cat the dog jumps up and they bang teeth it's like my nightmare she's like oh his tooth hit my tubes teemo inspect it so then teemo looks and he's like i see nothing oh no it looks a little bit loose oh my god teemo please tell me you're joking i am joking now is the time for joking now is the time for no more joking it is over

30:00Ronnie Karam: laughter is over we need to get dog trainer this dog is not trained enough i don't like this dog something into your teeth and she's like no stop talking down to him stop it he's a dog

30:12Ben Mandelker: don't talk down we need to lift chico up chico arlo whatever his name is what is it she called him chico but didn't they say the dog's name was arlo i was confused oh maybe that's his dog's acting out Arlo slash Chico. It's like east of the Mississippi. It's it's Arlo west of the Mississippi. It's Chico. It's kind of like Hardee's and Carl's Jr. Or Hellman's and best foods.

30:41Ronnie Karam: Well, you know, you don't always have to call your dog by his name. I call Bueller taco. Really?

30:48Ben Mandelker: I've never heard you call him taco. I mean, I trust you, but that's so cute.

30:53Ronnie Karam: taco yeah a little taco so then um stacy says that she when she adopted arlo she was living apart from timo and so now the dog is having to get used to timo because the dog is used to being the main dog in the house keep the dog although timo's timo's being pretty nice he's just sitting there smiling at everything she says i was like this is hilarious i love being here shall we make misshapen pizza pie and outside oven.

31:23Ben Mandelker: Now is the time to look pleasant. So, uh, Timo says the issue with Arlo is there's no rules in place, my friend, and that's not going to work. So she's like, well, it's hard bringing a side dog into your home, so we're doing the best that we can. He's like, what do we teach Arlo? How do we do that? He's like, how do we teach him to stop barking? How about marking in the house? We have to stop. Now is the time to fix the dog.

31:49Ronnie Karam: Yeah, at first I was like, God, Timo's being really mean. How dare you talk to a dog like this? And I was like, marking the house? So yeah, that's a problem. So Arabella is like, you guys are so annoying. Because even though they are talking about training the dog, or we in love, Timo. It's like, we are so in love. I'd love to be here with you. This is Marky Dog.

32:11Ben Mandelker: Well, she also knows that she's going to be the one who's going to have to take care of this dog when they're like, who is going to be the one to teach the dog not to pee in the house? Oh, Arabella. So she's like, bye. Bye. I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I'm going upstairs. You guys be gross down there and you guys can train the dog.

32:32Ronnie Karam: Okay. So he's like, well, we need to work on a few things with the dog. It's like, well, let's talk about our relationship. So they have that. So she's like, you know, number one is important date nights. That's big. Number two, communication. i think i've reversed those you know for the last 10 years our priority has always been harabella

32:57Ben Mandelker: but now we have to become best friends um she yeah she's just saying how they've made a promise that if we ever come back together we are going to do our best to be best friends to see tia's husband on a dating site i'm so grateful for my husband my ex-husband boyfriend whatever you want to call timo things are good and my family is happy and then she just stares at the camera

33:22Ronnie Karam: for a very long time yeah and she also asks him she asked him so have were you on any dating sites when we were broken up and he just keeps his smile he's like ah ah ah ah when we were broken you know when we were separated ah ah ah ah you were so happy he may have still been laughing

33:45Ben Mandelker: from his joke when he said, would you like some coffee with your sugar? What sugar with your coffee? She's like, oh, Timo. So they are happy. They are happy. Now we go to Wendy's mom's house, which has really an insane amount of flowers. She has flowers vining all the way up the banister to the second floor. I've never seen that in just someone's regular home.

34:11Ronnie Karam: And Wendy's mom had a rough last season because she got into it with Wendy and her sister. Or Wendy and her sister. The mom and the sister got into it with Wendy. I rest. Stormed out of the house. And so the mom is doing her next season kind of repentance where she's like, look at me. I'm a good, happy mother. Huh? Just whatever. The rest, the rest. Who cares? I love you so much, Wendy. I just love you so much. I'm on your side no matter what.

34:41Ben Mandelker: no matter what i definitely have not gone to a shrine and put a curse on eddie i definitely have not done that i'm just happy susan like happy eddie but the susan version

34:54Ronnie Karam: you know she's like mom you still have a christmas tree up and you have easter decoration she's like i'm very catholic okay you want to drink some wine so now they have a very important mother-daughter scene you know because Wendy's going through all of her legal stuff and possible jail time in the future and Wendy's doing her whole you know me and my mom may have had some problems but my mom is stuck by me no matter what even when the world

35:25Ben Mandelker: turned their back on me awesome mom knows where her bread is buttered so Wendy is like yeah

35:32Ronnie Karam: Yes, a lot of that credit, a lot of those credit, those 67 credit cards went to pay for those Easter decorations that we're still seeing.

35:41Ben Mandelker: Those flowers do not pay for themselves. So Wendy is like, you know, I've been in this house for the house for so long and making a day trip here to see you. It just brings me a sense of peace, mainly because, you know, you told me before the season you were going to do a good season for TV. And I know you can't step away from that. So it's just really nice to be here and you're not mad at me. so you know i've started to be around the ladies more and you know none of them have really been that supportive and susan's like well some friends aren't friends she's like yeah it's almost as if they've been waiting for my downfall i'm like well that actually i was gonna be like no i'm sure they haven't but then i was like i'm sure ashley has definitely been waiting for wendy's downfall for sure and robin and giselle probably everyone she's probably right yeah i was like don't be so cynical tell wendy these are these people will still have your back no they have been they have been actively

36:35Ronnie Karam: rooting for your downfall i don't think it was even subtle but it's kind of like the nature of

36:40Ben Mandelker: the game eh well i mean giselle can be happier yeah giselle has to spend all of last season pretending to be friends with wendy remember that she was like i actually like wendy now wow i was just waiting to get out of that it's like when tamra and gretchen were friends for one season

36:55Ronnie Karam: oh yeah well you know wendy is right they have been waiting for her downfall but you also did serve it to them on a golden platter. I mean, this one is, this one's a big one, you know? So Susan's like, oh, yes, and that Karen Huger should not talk about you and reference me. How dare she? And then we see Karen saying, well, at the reunion, saying, well, I did love seeing your mother tell you to shut the fuck up. I love that. which is uh karen uh wendy keeps repeating it as she told me to shut the fuck up which is kind of a misquote she just said i like that your mom told you to shut the fuck up yeah it's nice

37:37Ben Mandelker: and so susan goes go to the library find another reference i was like oh i like that she goes they threw you into the court of public opinion but don't worry you and eddie will be fine How is Edward holding up, though, by the way? I enjoy him so much. My beloved son-in-law, who definitely has not ruined my daughter's life. That has been vicariously my own. How is my wonderful son-in-law?

38:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and Wendy tells us how much her mom loves Eddie, and she's been there for the both of them. And Susan's like, you will stay married to Eddie. Don't even fuck this up with Eddie. You are staying with Eddie.

38:22Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but then the producer says, is she at all disappointed with Eddie? And Wendy's like, well, I'll let her say what she needs to say. I'll leave it at that. I'm like, so on the one hand, we're seeing it presented like, how is that my wonderful son-in-law? How is that, Edward? You guys have to stay married. And she loves Eddie. But then what she's basically saying is, yeah, mom blames Eddie for this entire mess. So nothing is good. And this is all a lie. Yeah.

38:50Ronnie Karam: And it sounds like that, and they pointed out later, you know, that it sounds like that's what Wendy's about to do, too. We'll see. So they talk about her upcoming trial and, or hearing, rather. And Wendy's just saying how the women don't support her, blah, blah, blah. And Susan's like, they don't know what we went through. You guys were doing so well. Please, God, forgive me. Please forgive me. Please forgive me.

39:16Ben Mandelker: so now it was like we go from one godly moment to another because we go to freedom church dc and here comes courtney with her aforementioned uh sons carter and casein and these kids breakout stars on bravo god i love both of them they are so adorable and they're real both two little spitfires and um so courtney is leading them into this church uh because um she's going to be practicing her preaching, truly practice what you preach. She is doing that because she's about to get ordained.

39:49Ronnie Karam: Yes, right in time to be on TV. She's like, come on, and she's going to get ordained, damn it. So she tells us her dad is a retired pastor, and he's in the executive leadership with the AME Zion Church. And so she's rented this little chapel or whatever. And you know that they've never been there because the kids walk in they're like wow this is a small church yeah okay it's a it's a we pray okay by the hour it's like there's gonna be other pastors

40:22Ben Mandelker: there at the same pulpit yeah we know they're waiting you know you've had your hour yeah get

40:29Ronnie Karam: out of there i'm about to i'm about to work on my deuteronomy all right stop overtaking my time

40:37Ben Mandelker: so courtney uh is saying how there's there's always been a lot of pressure to be um the pastor's daughter um you know and she rebelled in high school she had bottom grills and she wore jordans and jerseys and we see this photo of her and like tommy helfiger and stuff she's like my dad used to shake his head but i appreciated that he allowed me to find who i am and so um then the kids hold up a phone they start recording her as she does her preaching and then carter's like Silence in the church. One, two, three. Silence in the church.

41:06Ronnie Karam: I loved the preaching she was doing. What was the sermon that she had written? So she's got her MacBook and she's like reading it off the computer. And she's like, film me while I practice this. And then her opening thing is just like, this is from Genesis chapter 37. the story of Joseph you know when you're successful other people are jealous of you and that's it I was like oh my gosh this is such a housewives sermon it's like they're all just jealous because you're fabulous girl she's like go forth and be fabulous as Joseph said

41:50Ben Mandelker: they're all jealous they're all jealous of Joseph and you know why because it was red and yellow and green and brown and scarlet and black and ochre and peach and ruby and olive and violet and fawn and lilac and gold and chocolate and mauve cream and crimson and silver and rose rose mauve i said mauve well i'm really yeah her in my i would have said mauve but my version of her says mauve i apologize but i just have to say

42:18Ronnie Karam: it the way it is it's not my fault gray and lilac and gold and man and friend of an opinion and orange and blue damn it how do i not remember all those colors we've been doing this for 15 years and i've been in that musical twice i choreographed that at loretto loretto girls academy when i was 14 so or 15 so suck it gosh ronnie i can't believe you couldn't remember those 28 colors listed in a row in perfect order stopping jealous stopping jealous of me this is ben's jealousy genesis chapter one. So she goes, and the, you know, people don't understand why everything goes easy for the chosen one, but what they don't see is the pit that you had to go through to get there.

43:07Ronnie Karam: Somebody said they didn't see me in my pit. And the kids both go, they didn't see me in my pit. The other kid's like, I don't

43:16Ben Mandelker: get to see the pit because I'm not old enough to watch it, but I love Noah Wiley. No, not that pit. Stop it.

43:23Ronnie Karam: In Genesis 3.7, E.R. was born. George Clooney had a haircut that everyone stole, but nobody realized how jealous they were.

43:40Ben Mandelker: And then Joseph had a prophecy, and the prophecy was Catherine Lanasa. Oh, wow. Well, so they are, they're like, good job, mom. And Carter's like, well, you might need to work on preaching for a longer time because I'm starting to think you're trying to be like the Drake of preaching. And she's like, I'm trying to be the Drake of preaching. Listen, I might have been a rapper in my past life. I mean, daddy's seen me rap before, which is the segue we get to hear about more of their relationship, which is that they've actually been married for 16 years. but there was like a two-year separation where they both cheated on each other and explored what else was out there and they discovered that um it wasn't good and that they would rather they'd rather just be with each other well yeah the single life is hard so go back

44:37Ronnie Karam: it's got psalms settling um but i mean it seems to have worked out for them Yeah. Yeah. So Courtney has, she tells us that she wants to have a daughter now, so they're going to try. And her son's like, I want to be a preacher too. We're going to continue grandpa's legacy. Somebody didn't see me in the pit. She's like, yes, they didn't see me in my pit.

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47:29Ben Mandelker: Let's go to Tia's. Tia. So Tia is slicing apples, talking to the kids, and Tia's like, so I thought it would be nice to have a poster for when Nana comes. Because the big news is that Nana's coming to town, and she's going to be there for three months. So basically she's going to be there for the whole Housewives shoot. And Tia says, my mom lives in London, and the kids only have one grandparent, so it's really important that when she comes she can stay for as long as possible. Of course, when we bought her a ticket, my world hadn't fallen apart, but now it has, so that's fun.

48:07Ronnie Karam: I haven't talked to my mother in a while, but she is on Satisfied Singles looking for more. So she has talked to my husband a little bit. What app do you think he's on? Why can't I get over her husband being on apps? It's really bothering me.

48:24Ben Mandelker: I don't know. He's probably on, do you think he's on like Bumble? I feel like Bumble and Hinge are too young for him, right? He's probably on Facebook dating or something. I think that's what it is. Because I think you have to be more famous to be on Raya. And then I don't know what – Bagel Meets Coffee? I don't know. I don't even know. I don't know what else is out there. He's probably on Match.com. Maybe he's on like – Isn't Bagel Meets Coffee where the woman chooses –

48:53Ronnie Karam: like only the woman is allowed to choose the man? It doesn't go.

48:58Ben Mandelker: Which one is that? I think that's Bumble or Hinge. Maybe he's on Christian Mingle or J-Date. Oh, gosh.

49:07Ronnie Karam: That would be going on Christian Mingle's K-G on your spouse.

49:13Ben Mandelker: Is OKCupid still in business? That was the free one.

49:16Ronnie Karam: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. So, yeah. So her mom's coming in. And she's just hanging out with her kids. and she's saying that she's dreading telling her mom about Rob. And she planned this trip with her mom to come before she found out about Rob. So this is going to be a whole shit show. And her mom knows a lot about infidelity and she reminds us of the storyline, the storyline, her life storyline, that her dad, you know, had a whole other family. Yeah.

49:51Ben Mandelker: We see her long lost sister from last season. and Tia's saying that she needs her mom right now and she's talking to the kids and she's like, so as long as Nana's here no sleepovers in the house, no more parties spilling red liquids and they're like, but, Sienna's like, but I have to have my pre-prom hangout it has to be a sleepover, I have to, I have to is that something that generally happens for prom? she's like, yeah, prom is the biggest thing that's ever going to happen until my wedding

50:23Ronnie Karam: What? Why is prom as big as your wedding? She's like, it's American, mother You just don't get it

50:30Ben Mandelker: And another thing, no more kissing of mirrors as long as Nana's in town But Mom Kissing of what? Mirrors, remember her son was kissing the mirror? Oh

50:44Ronnie Karam: God, I forgot about that So the producer asks if the kids have picked up on any of the tension in the marriage And she's like, well, I don't think so We're really just passing ships So I'm not really sure There's not really time for you to pick it up You know, at least that's what I'd like to believe Just ignore, ignore, ignore But I can kind of see how she's like that with her history of her dad You know? Yes I don't know that, you know, you would have a whole lot of faith in men because she doesn't even seem that shocked. She's just like, oh, God, he got caught on an app.

51:20Ben Mandelker: Whoa, again. It's inevitable. You know what's funny? Anyone who's watched Below Deck would know that when there are ships passing in the night, it's very tense. Anytime there's another ship near the Below Deck yacht, it's always like, dun, dun, dun, dun, get the fenders out, put the fenders out, we're getting too close. So when she's like, I don't think she picked up any tension because we're just like ships in the night. I'm like, that's literally nothing but tension. We understand. So Rob comes in.

51:48Ronnie Karam: Well, also, if you watch Below Deck, you know not to trust Mid in general. Or if you watch Titanic, you know, don't trust the boats. If you watch Below Deck, you are already disappointed in the first episode in every match. You already know.

52:07Ben Mandelker: You know, like you're now, the more we dive into her metaphor, the worse it just gets for the situation. And then we see Rob comes in. He's like, hey, good boy. He's like, hi. Hi, everyone. And Tia just stares at him and doesn't say anything. Just gives him, like, fuck you face. I'm like, yeah, the kids won't pick up on anything, Tia. Yo, no, for sure. There's no tension in this room.

52:30Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, but also this fucking guy. He comes in and he's like, oh, hey, guys. How are you? Oh, sorry I'm late. Oh, yeah. They were just behind getting the dog groomed. So that was really bad. Oh, and traffic. traffic was whoa whoa traffic was bad really really bad and she's just looking at him like are you going to cheat on me while we're filming like seriously yes she isn't giving him that look

52:57Ben Mandelker: she is just like you like you no no she is she is giving him a death stare and as she should

53:05Ronnie Karam: yeah the producer's like so are you leaving him and she's like well he did take the dog to the groomer and he does drive the children around quite a bit so i don't know that just going on a website is enough to end that but my revenge is that i asked my mother to stay for an extra month so i hope he enjoys that all right let's go to wild lake park uh giselle is meeting with cal who's really penis forward today he's really showing off all the

53:37Ben Mandelker: good we're really getting to know all sorts of different angles of cow we're getting i was like

53:43Ronnie Karam: was a penis murdered on the front of your pants why is there an outline why is there like that

53:49Ben Mandelker: it was it was like those shorts were like they were showing stuff off i mean that was a dick print and a half the cow and it was like it was like the whole scene it was just a boner in our

54:01Ronnie Karam: face yeah and it wasn't even a moose knuckle you know like the male camel toe that was a full-on wiener yeah tied maybe tied forward i don't know because you know we really got to see a lot of his wiener and i was like it was a lot well yeah i think it was forward complaints yeah me neither I was just like, bold, bold, bold cow. So he's like, okay, let's go hiking. And she's like, no, we don't do that. And he's like, yeah, black people do that now. And she's like, what? We're hiking now?

54:43Ben Mandelker: She's like, do I really have to do this? So yeah, so they go hiking. and Giselle's like well I've already talked to Angel this morning but you know Adore's about to be calling so just FYI which by the way of course immediately I thought Angel Massey I was like what? She's still in contact with Angel? But it's her daughter Angel and she's talking about how Adore became a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha and she recreated that very famous photo of Giselle when she was in school which is kind of amazing and Giselle is saying like I do love the fact that now Adore calls men with her little boyfriend. Cal's like do you haze her like you do like the way you haze your friends like me for years

55:34Ronnie Karam: so she's like okay that's enough let's stop walking so we can talk shit about Tia. Do you remember a couple of months ago when I found those pictures of her husband and I said there's no way on God's earth that this man is on dating sites? And he's like, yeah, I thought that was AI. She's like, 1 ,000%. 1 ,000%. So it was completely innocent when I told Ashley. And then Ashley blew it up. He's like, Giselle, seriously? You told, no, you shouldn't have done that. That was a bad friend move. She's like, what are you talking about? I was just telling her, like, wow, isn't this crazy? You know, the husband is an AI person dating now.

56:09Ronnie Karam: And he's like, no, no. And then you told Ashley of all the people? Come on now.

56:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, he's like, absolutely not, Giselle. You know you were being messy. He's basically saying that. And she's like, Cal is right. Cal is always the voice of reason. And I do need to be a friend to Tia and let her know that we just need to talk this out. And she needs to understand my perspective. I am not here to hurt her. I'm just here to exploit her for storyline. Hey, everyone. This is the end of part one of this recap for part two. Keep an eye on your podcast feed. It is coming up in just a moment. Thanks so much for listening. Catch you on the second half.

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