#3581 Real Housewives of Potomac S11E02 Part Two: So Far, Sofia Good

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1:54Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. This is part two of a two-part recap. if you're like hey wait a minute i didn't hear part one guys it's because we put out a lot of recaps go back and listen to part one okay it's before this one bye enjoy the show so then um wendy is meeting up with robin for a peacemaking lunch so um wendy is like wow this west one is great carter you know carter wanted to go to the mall so we would just hear you know it was on his bucket list he said robin starts cracking up the kid has a bucket list come on give yourself a

2:34Ben Mandelker: little credit give yourself a few years so robin is like like her vibe is very much like and she even says so i'm at peace her hair is sort of like beautifully kind of like swept across to the side she's just like ah easy breezy beautiful Robin and she's there to basically be like well I was fired because it was too toxic and I apparently was very toxic so I'm nice now I'm back to being nice I'm back I have a reset so we can be friends

3:10Ronnie Karam: she's like but I did notice that at the Wizards game you kind of ignore it and she's like yeah I turned my back on you is that what you noticed because I literally turned my back on you she's like yo i mean are you mad or something she's like well i i just didn't know what to think robin especially given the energy from your podcast and so we see a clip again of reasonably shady where robin is talking about wendy's mugshot and being like well that was really sinister

3:35Ben Mandelker: looking i don't know about that so robin uh is now like well when i think of where we left off there weren't any unresolved issues it was just toxicity in the group and i think toxicity just didn't really allow us to interact as normal people should so it's a clean slate for me it's like oh okay okay so you coming for her and eddie and like all the million other things for like several years like you've decided to clean slate but like wendy's like yeah that's what people when

4:07Ronnie Karam: people fuck you over i love when they i love when the person that fucks you over it's like clean slate let's just start over what do you get to decide it's a clean slate i kind of feel like

4:19Ben Mandelker: what robin is doing is saying hey i'm back um and i do a podcast with giselle and i love giselle but i'm going to uh for the purpose of the show i won't be automatically buddy buddy with her uh at least at least i'm going to pretend that way yes i'll pretend to like semi turn on giselle you know to keep my spot but i think wendy goes with it yeah she needs allies she goes wendy

4:44Ronnie Karam: always goes with it though they always come for wendy and then wendy's always like okay i forgive you and then they do it again within two weeks exactly so she needs allies because even she says later she's like i only have like one or two friends in this group you know yeah and you know

5:02Ben Mandelker: the truth is this i used to love robin believe it or not i used to think robin was great it's just like her last few seasons she just really she she did get kind of caught up in the toxicity and so it is nice to see her having this kind of reset and now i feel like the robin that i used to love is like back on the show and i'm i'm also by the way i i am very much like wendy i often i'm like okay reset great the pitch is that this is robin's personality for the season uh great i'm on board

5:30Ronnie Karam: i'll just run with it yeah i'll go and i'll roll with it yeah um so robin gets an ahi tuna salad which wendy is horrified by because it's like eating cooch so uh robin's like oh that's hilarious you really just don't understand ahi huh okay so anyway now that we're friends tell me about you and eddie are you guys okay and wendy kind of looks at her a minute but then And she's like, well, fuck it. I'll just, you know, open up to her. So she says, you know, it was really rough. And he's been really patient because he's just used to me being pissed, basically, at him. And she's like, Robin's like, well, what is he on pins and needles?

6:16Ronnie Karam: She's like, yeah, it's PTSD for me, Robin. And so Robin, of course, immediately goes into her confessional and is like, I'm really surprised she's being this open. but it sounds like maybe she's blaming eddie already but she's not wrong yeah that's exactly

6:32Ben Mandelker: right she's like i mean if you were on somebody and glad shit you're like in this together but if you're saying there's issues then you might have been blindsided so wendy's like yeah it was a lot so you know if you and giselle are going to talk about me in a podcast i'm not going to fool with you and robin's like well i mean but it's in the news we're going to talk about it because but like are you going to talk about are you going to be like girl and robin's like well okay i hear you and i see it's how we talk about it she's like yeah exactly can you like not be dicks about it is basically what robin's at i mean what wendy is asking no i mean listen you get that

7:08Ronnie Karam: that was a big one if people have a podcast they're gonna go on and they're gonna talk shit about it that's just how it is i mean i get it if you're saying you know you're supposed to be my friend and you're making fun of my mugshot but i don't know it's like a headline like giselle says later like hello it was all over the news so um then we go to the festival of spring and Giselle meets up with Tia to clear the air so uh Giselle gives her a basket she's like we're gonna bring some flowers to your life let's go to the tulip field there's there's a certain amount

7:41Ben Mandelker: of irony of trying to clear the air while going to uh tulip fields like you're literally going into a field of allergies you're like I'm gonna clear the air here so um they go I didn't even no i i was like beautiful i was like it was beautiful i was like i turned on the episode during the scene and i saw them sitting with all these flowers and it was so it was such a striking visual that i thought the producers had superimposed them into amsterdam for some reason i was like why are they doing that i'm not even joking i was like i had a whole thought process of like oh here go those producers again doing fun and games on screen pretending they're in amsterdam at a tulip field but it was actually, it was like a local tulip field.

8:22Ben Mandelker: I was like, this is nice. I want to go there. Yeah.

8:26Ronnie Karam: I'll say goes and start picking some tulips and stuff. And, um,

8:31Ben Mandelker: this is the insight everyone tunes in for like, I'm going to listen to watch a crap and find out what sort of field Ben wants to go to today. Everyone, the answer is to look.

8:42We've been there during a tulip season and it was gorgeous.

8:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah. It's a cherry blossom season, for sure. We've been there for that as well. I think it was tulips. We've been there for tulip season. Because I remember even saying it in the show. Oh, look at the tulips. And they were like, whoa, tulips.

9:01Ben Mandelker: Well, I'm excited for whatever flower is in season when we are in the sea. No, you know what?

9:05Ronnie Karam: You're right. It was cherry blossoms. I was in Arkansas visiting my niece when it was tulip season. And you saw the old Arkansas tulip season. I've seen the tulip season. I'm just continuing with random tulip talk. Where did I see those tulips? Where would you like to see tulips?

9:23Ben Mandelker: My mom had a, my mom, I was on the phone with my mom this weekend because my parents went to Amsterdam. And my mom said, my mom was telling me the story. She said, so unfortunately the tulips were out of season, so we couldn't see the tulips. And our guide said, I've got one better for you. And we saw chrysanthemums. so just so you know there's somewhere there's always a flower blooming

9:50Ronnie Karam: yeah so anyway tulips aside

9:55Ben Mandelker: one thing that's not blooming is the friendship between Tia and Giselle it is curdling on camera

10:02Ronnie Karam: yeah so Giselle's like well you know I want to do right by Tia I brought her in this group and if Rob you know if I brought Rob and all of this to the platform, I would be chrysanthemum-fied as Giselle hates husbands and wants to ruin families. So basically she's saying, I did tell Ashley because if I brought it to this group, everybody would say you're trying to ruin families. But you still are. It's still the same thing you do every year. You're just making Ashley do it for you this time. But it was nice to get like a half admission.

10:39Ben Mandelker: but also like if rob has a dating profile up and you bring it to tia i don't think we'd all be like oh look at giselle trying to destroy another relationship i'd be like whoa fuck this guy you know she just doesn't know how to calibrate i guess uh but we do see a montage of giselle um coming for husbands and so then they sit down and giselle's like well i don't ever want you to think that i didn't treat you nicely look i brought you to the tulips ah and it's like yes This is very nice, very nice. And she's like, well, the other night was a lot. And did I get this information about Rob? Yes, I was wrong.

11:14Ben Mandelker: And you should have gotten that information from Giselle. But Giselle was just thinking about Giselle. And Giselle apologizes on behalf of Giselle for that. Giselle should have thought more importantly about you and your children.

11:25Ronnie Karam: It is so uncomfortable to apologize that I'm going to speak about myself in the third person. Giselle is sorry. She's like, well, tell Giselle thank you. But I do need a friend who's going to think about me first. before they think about themselves. Yes. And Giselle will do that in the future.

11:43Ben Mandelker: Giselle will no longer think of Giselle's self, which is why Giselle is in the third person. There is no more first person for Giselle. Giselle is third in line.

11:53Ronnie Karam: Show Giselle on this Giselle where Giselle hurt you. So Tia's like, well, do you understand that what you do from here on out determines whether or not you take me in this or not? don't ever talk about me in your podcast. You guys are killing their content. Really, two scenes in a row.

12:12Ben Mandelker: Giselle doesn't have any reason to bring this up unless you bring this up. That's fair. So, are Giselle and Robin putting anything in Rob's coffee? Oh, sorry, it's Giselle. Sorry, with my new rules of how I speak, I wasn't sure how to do the royal we, but I'll just lean into royal we.

12:32Ronnie Karam: to says we'll lean into the joy the royal them so she's like uh are you poisoning rob or what because i'm sorry for talking shit about your husband but he does suck right and she's like yes you know but i think he's very afraid because i've been quite calm which i think is even scarier for him and i just held it in and i waited for the twins to go to sleep and i said are you on a

12:56Ben Mandelker: dating app and he said yes she's like oh but y 'all have been married for a long time nothing like this has ever happened right well actually when we first got married i did catch him on a dating site when i was pregnant with sienna so now i wonder has it always been the case was this just the second time that you've been gone it's always been the case tia i'm sorry i'm sorry ronnie always

13:23Ronnie Karam: says on a dating site while you're pregnant oh my god tia not even tia just fucking rob oh my god do i know what a piece of shit wow wow wow so um this is all you have to do with really is to confess because giselle is always coming for the like did you do this uh did this happen did that happen did he do this uh and it's best when you just confess because then you know giselle's like oh well you know as someone who's been through this let me tell you you know um men are pieces of shit and she goes at least my husband had the sense enough to cheat in private, you know? So I'll give him credit for that.

14:16Ronnie Karam: But I did have to say, Tia, is this, I did say at that time, is this a lifestyle choice or is this a one-off? And she says she figured out it was a lifestyle. And Tia's like, well, you know, I don't know. I don't know, you know, about telling the kids. Wendy gave me some good advice. Wendy said, do not eat tuna fish. It tastes like vaginas.

14:41Ben Mandelker: She does not like Ciarachy, it turns out. But, like, yeah, she reiterates what Wendy said, which is, like, let him clean it up. And so Giselle says, but are we going to act like Wendy did not potentially commit any crimes, by the way? Oh, because you're trying to get me to be friends with her again, which is why I'm saying this. Because Tia's like, no, you and Wendy have had a rocky start. But, like, I do think that we should step up for Wendy. basically Tia wants everyone to rally around Wendy during this hard time. And Giselle's like, but like, she committed a crime, right? Are we going to act?

15:17Ronnie Karam: Well, we're not the judge and jury. It's like, not if I have a say in it. The one time Giselle will be there volunteering for jury duty, you know, she'll be like, let me in.

15:28Ben Mandelker: It's like the evidence is not in her favor. If it were Giselle, Wendy would run me into the ground. Yeah.

15:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so Tia's like, well, you know, come on. Be nice to Wendy. And I was like, well, she would run me into the ground. She goes, well, have you had that experience with her? She goes, why would I? I'm not a criminal. So I haven't given her that to give me the reaction.

15:55Ben Mandelker: She says, I'm not a scammer, too. Which will now become the crux of a new fight. So Tia tells us, I think that's important. says, but babe, we can't call her a scammer or a criminal unless she's been judged. And you know that Giselle's like, first rule of housewives, we can always do that. We have a license to do that.

16:17Ronnie Karam: Yes. She's like, I was calling Karen an alcoholic a long time before she was charged. Please.

16:24Ben Mandelker: So then Tia's like, well, I mean, if you do say it, if you do think it, just don't say it that loud. So Giselle says, well, she's been arrested. I mean, do I feel like slamming this, you know, in Wendy's face? No, I don't need to kick Wendy when she's down. And she's down. She's down. She's all the way down. Flying flat. Yeah. Starfish. She's a starfish. Starfish. That was so mean, but I was laughing on the plane.

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20:47Ben Mandelker: And we see a flashback to that. And it's that place with the staircase that everyone went to, which was also in a corporate park. I thought when Ashley was mentioning the parking lot, she was going to talk about where they shot the drive back video. Because remember, they had to shoot that like the dance scene in the parking lot for some like some random abandoned parking lot.

21:07Ronnie Karam: so then now she's talking about the invitation and she doesn't get any of it because it's all color purple references and she doesn't get it she's like your guest shouldn't have to try and guess what you're talking about this isn't a jigsaw puzzle and she's like do you guys know

21:24Ben Mandelker: who sophia is and the bartender's like um i think it's sophia from the color purple note how you have to wear purple and someone named sophia is like oh

21:35Ronnie Karam: Giselle comes in and she's like, why am I in a strip mall in Bowie? Bowie. But don't make us hear like flowers and grass that's cut. Okay, look on a map. Flowers. Tulips. That was my last scene. It's like mud. You drive all the way.

21:54Ben Mandelker: By the way, the stock footage that they showed of Bowie was not that bad. It was like nice. It was like lawns. I wasn't mad at Bowie. So then

22:01Ronnie Karam: Do you know how they are with locations on this show? They're always on each other. I mean, this show is based on, well, I'm in Potomac and you're not. You're in the outskirts. How dare you? Karen, you are not even in Potomac. We're going to deliver a pizza at your house to prove you don't even live there.

22:17Ben Mandelker: You know, the thing is, I think with Maryland, Maryland, like whenever I see it on a map, I think it's like a small state. Like I think it's, you know, in the mix with like a Connecticut or like a Rhode Island. But it's actually a really large state. and it takes a long time to get places in Maryland. And so I feel like the producers are like, oh yeah, well, I know everyone lives over here, but we'll just shoot something over here because we got a deal on this to shoot over here. And I feel like they're just constantly schlepping 90 minutes away all around Maryland. I call it the Maryland paradox.

22:51Ben Mandelker: That it looks small, but it's large. Everyone write that down.

22:55Ronnie Karam: Hey guys, speaking of tulips, how big is Maryland?

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23:24Ronnie Karam: Bowie. Giselle's like Potomac. there's grass and trees and tulips and then here I don't know who's doing the landscaping here they just show like slightly longer grass I know it's like pretty good grass

23:43Ben Mandelker: so then do you love the city landscaping shade I know

23:48Ronnie Karam: I'm sure Bowie's lovely the landscaping in your city is trash by the way

23:54Ben Mandelker: if you look up Bowie Maryland on Google the first image that shows up is beautiful wait wait let me show you i'm sharing the screen this is why this is why it's good to be on patreon with crap is on demand or to watch us on youtube because you're about to see a real deal visual of buoy maryland i hope everyone is ready because this is going to be some of the most beautiful stuff you've ever seen in your entire life okay are you are you ready for this are you ready for the buoy moment okay because here it comes is that beautiful or what do you see it yeah it's like some grass by a lake with a little bench yeah gorgeous look at that look at that house that grass looks a little long to me look at that look at that it's the national capital radio and television museum that grass

24:43Ronnie Karam: is very yellow uh that grass is very yellow in that picture look at the stone arch it almost

24:48Ben Mandelker: looks like giraffe oh that's beautiful beautiful wait look at this red oh it's the norfolk and Western caboose. That's a real railroad, by the way. Okay, I'm cutting you off. You know.

25:00Ronnie Karam: I'm cutting you off from Rui. Look at my internet screen. Nope. Nope. So they are arriving at this med spa and Tia's like, well, if I, there's a whole menu of things to get. If I order a shot of Trisepatide, how much can I lose before I leave here? So Ashley's like, I appreciate, oh, go ahead, Ben.

25:24Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I was just going to say, Tia, I really appreciate that I get this little time to talk to you. Because, you know, I've had a lot of thoughts about you. And I'm learning to be a little softer, which is what I say at the beginning of every season. And, like, I could take ownership that I was on stage and you feel that was at your expense because I talked about your husband cheating on you or heavily implied it. on stage a bunch of drunk people just for a cheap laugh. And I can see how you could feel like that was at your expense.

25:56Ronnie Karam: Love that apology. Classic Housewives apology. I'm sorry if you felt that that was at your expense when I was on stage mocking you in front of an entire crowd of people. I know.

26:08Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry you were so irrational to believe that when I said these things that sound mocking that you just didn't even believe that they weren't mocking. I'm sorry that that's where you jumped at the conclusions.

26:19Ronnie Karam: Well, you know, this is just the process of getting to know each other. You know, you have to know her levels. Like, this is Kiki. And T's like, wait, this is Kiki. I would hate to see your bottom low.

26:34Ben Mandelker: Starfish. So then Robin comes in. And then they notice that there's a sign that says, the grandam is back like she never left. At which point they start asking the same thing that I'm sure all of us were asking, which is, didn't she say she was retiring? It's not only a sign.

26:56Ronnie Karam: It is a wall-sized poster of Karen's face and then another Karen's face above Karen's face. Like advertising her own party for six people. I fucking love this. So where is Karen? Is she here? Is she gone? What are we talking about here? like she never left and robin's like what's with this theme sofia home who is sofia oh it's a scene from the color purple oh my goodness i did not connect those two things and by the way we should

27:28Ben Mandelker: also mention that they're all dressed nicely because they think they're going to like a lunch and they don't know that they're doing like a whole med spa thing so they're totally don't match this environment whatsoever so robin is like yeah sofia went to jail for 11 years and i guess she's Sophia? And he's like, is she the one that said all my life? Like, we're just struggling to figure, we don't know. We're just trying to figure this out. So now Wendy and Stacy come,

27:56Ronnie Karam: and they're confused, too. They're like, where the hell are we? So we see all this medical equipment, and Wendy's like, is this the phlebotomist office? That's where we are.

28:07Ben Mandelker: What is this? And then Carla, once they're all in this one little area, then carlos is like ladies and gentlemen our guest of honor has arrived and so they they're shuffled into this other room in the wellness center and robin goes in typical karen fashion

28:25Ronnie Karam: nothing is making sense from 2018 oh my god just all these crazy karen parties are so good my personal favorite was the tax oh the tax where she's like i'm having a press conference the karen huger tax irs press conference ask me anything you want what about your taxes how dare you how dare you no more no more questions and then we see like in 2020 we see when she likes

28:58Ben Mandelker: it was like an anniversary party i think when she's in the suit and she's like doing was it um was it MJ that she was doing the choreo for? I forget with the head and everything. I forget what choreo she was doing. But she had her hat. What did you say? The pink hat? Yes, she was doing this choreo. And they were like, why is she doing this choreography right now? So good.

29:23Ronnie Karam: All right, ladies, introducing Sophia Holm. And they're like, oh my God. Okay. She's like, hello. It's me, Sophia from The Color Purple. And she comes in dressed like Sophia from The Color Purple with a gray wig on.

29:42Ben Mandelker: And she has the dress and everything. They're like, Sophia has a Birkin?

29:48Ronnie Karam: Sophia had a Birkin in that movie? What is happening?

29:56Ben Mandelker: I've had to fight Until Do you do right by me And everything you think about is going to crumble Sophia come home Sophia home now

30:06Ronnie Karam: Things are about to change around here She's just doing color purple lines But it's Karen She doesn't even try to imagine Stacy's like that's not Oprah Commercials

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32:51Ben Mandelker: No. It's not like that. Did not happen that way. So Karen announces, well, I'm in my soft era, and I am home. And I've transformed this health center into a spa. I'm like, you could have also just taken them to a spa, by the way. I'm just going to put that out there. You could have just gone to a spa. So she gives everyone robes, and she goes, and there are also a penithelium. of services here that you can use.

33:20Ronnie Karam: It's plethora, Karen. It's plethora. Okay, plethora, plethora. However, I've chosen for everybody. All right, Ashley, there's something called the sex bag. It's liquid IV, so you can keep that young buck. Thank you, Karen. Okay, Tia, you can relax and have a massage. You know, who cares about Tia? Wendy, I would love for you to get a massage. You know, relax. Okay, Giselle. T-shape. You get the T-shape. She's like, what? It firms up the wrinkles in the cellulite.

33:52Ben Mandelker: It was all so nice, and then all of a sudden here, the shady spa services. It lifts the craters in your legs that fell out on the sofa in New York.

34:05Ronnie Karam: She's like, what are you even talking about? You were only at that reunion for eight seconds. And she's like, well, I saw all of that. All right. What we don't do is put on a Forever 21 dress at 55 and high-levels and let people see the craters.

34:22Ben Mandelker: And then they zoom in on Giselle's, like, underleg, which is so mean. And they show all the cellulite. And so Karen's like, and for Robin, I got you a liquid IV for just energy. You need some energy.

34:41Ronnie Karam: and she goes is she lethargic and they just cut to 2021 juan coming into the room with robin in bed and he's like you need to get out of bed and she's like it's the pandemic

34:55Ben Mandelker: well it's not that she's she's also thirsty robin's like well you know i'm not thirsty that's not nice that's not stop being mean karen uh and he's like well what treatments are you getting she's like well i'm i'm going to have laser services i was told i have a jungle up in my track so i've been working on it here please don't do that my husband

35:18Ronnie Karam: ray ray told me it's like uh wait so you're now having sex with your husband you're out of retirement ah oh my gosh ray complaining about a hairy butt crack look who's talking You know Ray's got a hairy ass butt.

35:34Ben Mandelker: So now they're all speculating because they're like, oh, nobody cleans the house unless they are expecting guests. I'm like, well, sometimes people just clean the house, just to clean the house. But that's fine. I know what she's trying to say. She's like, well, she's expecting someone to see that house. And I don't think Ray is giving her the action.

35:52Ronnie Karam: Wait a minute. Are you saying the hair is like sprouting out of your butt? She's like, yes, it's an ambitious track that's been growing out of my butt crack. So, you know, at least Karen will give herself shit, too.

36:03Ben Mandelker: Yes. So then Wendy's getting a massage. They start getting their treatments and everything. And Giselle's getting, they're all doing their stuff. And then Karen comes to check in and Ash is like, can I ask you a question? Are you going to keep this hair color, Karen? She's like, well, I think I look like a foxy gray woman. I may do it.

36:24Ronnie Karam: So Robin's like, okay, so you're getting laser up your ass. Who is this to please? Oh, oh, oh, oh, really? It's like, me first, me first. I want a hairless ass crack, Robin. Thank you for asking. It's like, okay, then who's the second person you want to please? It's like, Ray, Ray, of course, Ray. Well, I noticed you don't have your ring on. Is there an issue between you and Ray? Oh, geez.

36:47Ben Mandelker: Well, Ray and I are walking through things that we've been through a lot, mainly that he's had to deal with an ambitious track. Well, but that doesn't mean that you have to take your ring off. Robin, Robin though Robin who has been through a divorce and remarried the same man, I would think you would be patient with me and give me the grace to have a moment to do it like I do, thank you very much She really shut up Robin with that one She's like, don't talk to me about how I'm supposed to act with my man after I suffered through seven years of you and Juan and your charades

37:19Ronnie Karam: Yes and Robin's like, something's not right in the water I'm lasering my ass for Ray but I'm not wearing my ring and we're not in a good place. This was very conflicting.

37:29Ben Mandelker: She's not wrong. Well, I think it's making a very big statement. You're letting everyone know where you stand. So then, um, Wendy and Tia are together and, Karen's that we were, we were crossing back and forth between Karen lying face forward on the, on the table while they are zapping her ass hairs. And then me, Wendy and Tia are having a serious conversation.

37:56Ronnie Karam: They start lasering her, and she starts screaming, Sophia home! Sophia home!

38:05Ben Mandelker: Anyway, Tia, if you can drown out that noise, how is Rob? How's everything going? Hey, my daughter. You know, there's good morning, good evening. How's your day? Pleasantries. Being British has prepared me for this my entire life.

38:18Ronnie Karam: Yes. And then Rob and Stacey and Ashley are talking. and um stacy's getting to know robin asking about her marriage and robin's like well i don't know how long i've been married it kind of blurs together our first marriage was in uh 2005 uh the second one i don't really remember the date somewhere in there we owned a a garbage truck and a rental warehouse oh no i sold that does she still have her does she still

38:47Ben Mandelker: have her a hat company i don't know i don't think so because now she's doing she's selling

38:54Ronnie Karam: something else now she's doing like facial things right she has the glow med spa which i also like that karen's bringing everybody to a competing med spa so ashley what's that i said poor kieran are really missing out this should be happening at kiana's med spa oh yeah no so um stacy's She's like, well, you know, my marriage, we were married 16. We married 16 years. We got a divorce, but then we've come back together. So, wait, you're remarried? She's like, oh, not yet. Not yet. But we will be. It's going to be amazing.

39:34Ben Mandelker: Um, I still believe that Stacey has a complicated relationship with the truth. Stacey is very curated. For who or what, I'm not sure, but for somebody. I mean, the truth is this. stacy does have a complicated relationship with the truth but so does everyone on this cast did you just hear robin be like oh i don't remember when we got remarried everyone here is being slippery about all these details about their personal lives at all times because they all know it's gonna be weaponized any moment so no one gives specifics anymore and they're all just being like very loosey-goosey oh karen has doesn't have a ring on but she's getting her ass like her ass waxed or lasered and everything is it's just so hilarious with this group the way they are all kind of like posturing around like no one really wants to get caught in anything it's it's what

40:19Ronnie Karam: makes this show amazing yeah so tia is saying that she met up with courtney and courtney told about her about her own marriage problems and infidelities and stuff like that and um wendy's like, well, I mean, your best friend Stacy and her husband. She's like, did you say my best friend? Are you speaking that into existence? Well, I will say, I'm rallying for, you know, friends to support you. And Giselle said she wants to support you, you know, in whatever you need. And I think the resistance you're getting from Giselle is she wants to support you, but she also feels like you're a scammer, a monster, and a criminal.

40:56Ronnie Karam: Possibly a murderer.

40:58Ben Mandelker: Way to go, Tia. what he's like what and she's like you know and i don't want someone who's in that position to be around me during this time because i only need positivity yes yes and you won't get it from her because she thinks you're an absolute gigantic criminal monster scummer mcscumerson so that's

41:18Ronnie Karam: too bad but i told her be friends with her yeah just instant revenge from tia which i like i do forgive you now i'm going to get wendy upset with you enjoy so um tia's like uh wait a minute is well wendy says as far as my friends you know you and stacy and she's like is that all you feel that you have in this group just stacy and i oh good does this mean more lunches with stacy

41:49Ben Mandelker: like well you know what and karen and i we have to have a conversation and then just comes to camera so wendy is she's like you know so you guys just use the words the word friends willy nilly now don't you it's like no i do think that we should be measured using that word so um then now the treatments are over and now everyone goes over to this table to eat lunch and uh giselle uh giselle's sitting down everything and the chef comes out he gives shrimp cocktail and Ashley is like, I never imagined that I'd be sitting enjoying this delicious shrimp cocktail still smelling the singes of Karen's booty hairs getting lasered just in the room next door.

42:31Ben Mandelker: I still smell it. Has a little aroma to it.

42:36Ronnie Karam: Okay, everybody, I have something important to say. Everybody knows that I work with the National Brain Tumor Society and I'm heading to the hill and I will be speaking to Congress and Wendy, I would love your advice. And she's like, wow, she really has some nerve asking me for my advice. You know, she's lucky that I'm empathetic. But you're digging yourself deeper and deeper in the hole, Giselle.

43:00Ben Mandelker: Well, Karen, I have to say, I commend you so much for maintaining your sobriety when there is alcohol around. Well, no, it is hard, but it's not worth the risk. Any questions, you guys go ahead and ask me and I'll let you know if I'm comfortable talking about it. I'm going to say right now the answer will be Deflections and no's I don't want to talk about it

43:23Ronnie Karam: Was there a silver lining while you were there? Oh yes there was a silver lining And it was knowing that I could get through it The silver lining was me

43:34Ben Mandelker: Specifically it was my ass hair coming out of my crack

43:37Ronnie Karam: But luckily it's gone now

43:44Ronnie Karam: So Tia's like It must have been quite the adjustment being in the P-R-I-S-O-N. It's like, well, it was. All my liberties were gone. Had a steel door being shut behind you, but very, very difficult. So she is talking about how she was working with women who were released and didn't have anyone like she did to go home to, like Ray. She's like, some of these women go home, wake up in the morning, do yoga on their mat outside, holding a giant turquoise in front of a propane tank, and there's nobody leaving them to play golf without saying goodbye.

44:19Ben Mandelker: If it could happen to me, as in if you could, if I could make the choice to drink a lot of booze and go driving, it could happen to anybody. So I'm just grateful that I'm here to talk about it. So Wendy's like, well, Karen.

44:31Ronnie Karam: If it could happen to me, after four times drinking and driving, it could happen to anybody.

44:37Ben Mandelker: I know, right? Well, Karen, to be quite honest with you, I think you're being disingenuous because you're saying you want to help women that have been through, you know, been through all that, when you literally have a woman at your table who is going through that right now.

44:51Ronnie Karam: Well, I don't know what you're going through, because when you come around us, you act like everything's okay, Wendy.

44:58Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but while we were in New York, you were, like, kicking me while I'm down, and, like, you're bringing my mom, which is, like, a slap in the face.

45:05Ronnie Karam: Well, did I want you to shut up and protect yourself from saying something stupid? Yes, I did. It was me being kind. It was me being kind to you, Wendy. She's like, well, you told me to shut the fuck up, so I don't understand that She's like, well, I let you talk, I let you talk, so let me talk now I am an inspiration to me

45:27Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but when you were in this hot seat, you didn't even show up at the reunion You didn't even come, that's because my ass hair was too long, it was uncomfortable Have you ever sat on your own ass hair? It's crazy

45:37Ronnie Karam: She says, our charges were very different I was sick, okay and uh karen's like what was more important showing up for a camera or taking care of myself so that i never had this happen to me again and when he's like well what on the street was what you weren't even in tweetment and she's like that was a word on the create that was a word on the the street i was like yes uh yes uh giselle heard that that was the rumor on giselle street

46:05Ben Mandelker: karen yes karen i love karen be like it was better for me to take care of myself conveniently exactly when the cameras were rolling, even though there were many months beforehand where I could have done it. So basically Karen's like, so what I'm going to do is check you in this moment and say, you know what? But he's like, well, you can check shit because just take accountability that you've been a bad friend. No, no, that's what you did when you tricked me about not being in a treatment when I know where I was and now you're trying to flip it.

46:35Ronnie Karam: You weren't even in treatment. You were in a home goods. Well, we all treat things the way that we can It was a good home It is a good home I was in a home that was good What's wrong with that? And I've got some sense now in my home Sophia home sense

46:56Ben Mandelker: So Karen's saying Wendy says, well, you don't tell another woman to shut the fuck up She goes, well, I did apologize She goes, well, does that make sense to you? She's like, well, it makes a whole lot of sense to me. That's right. That's how that's done. Are we good?

47:12Ronnie Karam: And that's what it is. Oh, I don't know. I kind of like that this is all about people yelling like, hey, you weren't mean to me when I went to jail. Why should I be nice to you when you're going to jail?

47:25Ben Mandelker: I know, right?

47:26Ronnie Karam: Yes.

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