#3582 Crappy Hour 10/19: Keltie Knight’s F Them Theory

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1:50Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Crappy Hour, October 19th. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello, Ben. Hi, how are you? Good. I'm especially excited today because we have a gorgeous special guest here. Please welcome Ms. Kelty Knight. Hello, Kelty. It's so good to see you guys. Hi, Kelty. I am so excited to be here. Thank you for making me crappy. I have had IBS today, so it's perfect. And then on top of that, why do we not have a picture of you guys on the same background? Did we never do a cast photo shoot?

2:31Ben Mandelker: On the same background? What do you mean a picture on the same background? Of the two of us? The thing just played. Ronnie's like in a hoodie. You guys are in two different back. It's two different photo shoots. Like we never did like group headshots.

2:43Ronnie Karam: Like we never did. We have not ever done that. And we've said for 15 years, we're going to do that. And we have not done it. We've taken pictures together, but you can't Photoshop and lift and do it the same way as you do it for yourself, I guess.

2:59Ben Mandelker: We haven't done the proper watch what crap ends, photo shoot, video shoot, any of that. I hate my headshot. My headshot is from 2018. My friend took the photo. My friend is very lovely, but he's a straight man. And one thing I learned is I don't think straight men cannot take photos of men, headshots of men. They don't know what to look for. It has to be a woman or a gay man. I'm sorry. They just don't know. So I've hated my photo for a solid seven or eight years, but I've been too lazy to organize new headshots. And we've never done it. And I watch actually so many podcasts have photo shoots where they look professional and look good.

3:37Ben Mandelker: And we have yet to do it. We really should do it, Ronnie.

3:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, we'll say that. That's the charm. No photo shoots. Your photo shoots are amazing. If we're ever going to do one, we'll ask you. My God. You guys do amazing stuff. I mean, we are beautiful, but we're girly pops. But also, like, you don't have one picture of you guys in the tux from the award show. They could just, like, AI can, like, split you now, guys. We can Photoshop both of you. Like, if you're just with arms around each other, we can redo your arms, like, down, you know?

4:09Ben Mandelker: We have some. We have some here and there. Okay, we'll feed it into the machines and see what comes out.

4:15Ronnie Karam: we don't even have regular eye at this point well we'll work on it this is such a problem i had crystal minkoff um former beverly hills uh moderate my book talk last weekend and i they were like can you give us a headshot she literally like her headshot and i love crystal and she's gorgeous was like her leaning on her kitchen cabinet and then clearly had been through like three filters and they were like no we need a high-res one she's like this is high-res i was like babe if it's coming from facetune it's not high res enough for like the screen at the fashion island like i'm like guys we're in hollywood we need one good photo that is like high res high def plain backdrop like what is happening you guys are not hollywood incorrectly i know you're actually we're podcasters so what are you what are you gonna do we're gonna we're gonna hollywood Made for internet radio.

5:08Ronnie Karam: Kelty, before we get too into this, I want to talk about everything you're doing. Okay, so Kelty's new book, The Fuck Them Theory. Smaller title. Second title, Self-Help for People Who Are Done Being the Bigger Person. And you're on tour. Also, you've got two best-selling books before this, which is pretty amazing. Actually, that's a lie. I have one bestseller and one bomb. Oh. Oh, well, that's fine. It's a reinvention. I know. Sorry. You're right. It doesn't have to say a bomb. People don't like it when you're too successful. So I want you to know I could barely get a publishing deal for this because the last lady gang book bombed.

5:50Ben Mandelker: Well, up till now. But then we're going to make it rise up from the ashes. Resurgence. Thank you. Yeah. It's not over. Yes.

5:59Ronnie Karam: You also co-host the red carpet on E! I mean, you do a lot of shit. You're the lady gang. You're always on tour with those guys. You're on housewives of Beverly Hills. Yes. You're on a lot of flipping out. I'm always invited to a party. No one puts a mic on me. I'm always making a moment. Your fault production. When you see Kelsey night coming, just save one of those mics for me. I know I'm going to make you a moment, but nobody ever wants me to have a mic on. Well, you know, I am always standing next to you at these parties that I see you at. um and i'm at a fraction of the ones that you're at but i always go straight to you because you will talk mad shit with me that's true no and that's that's the thing about the fuck them theory is listen this book is about like turning rejection and um heartbreak and your own self-loathing into like superpower but it's also about being a shady bitch correctly because i'm not trying to make you like i'm not trying to make you aha moment think like a monk jay shetty in his little soft cardigan.

7:01I know who we are and I know who we are in this group. And it's like gossiping correctly. There is an art to gossip, to get ahead in your own life. There is an art to friendships. There's an art to dressing. There's an art to manipulating the world in your favor and treating yourself like the superstar of your own life. That is also something I've learned in Hollywood. And yeah, so I'm really fun because I will talk shit, but I'm going to talk shit to benefit myself, not to ruin my life. Although some people hate me and being hated is a gift.

7:30Ben Mandelker: Can you tell us how to do gossip right versus how to do gossip wrong? What are some examples? Okay. An example is I hear from someone that the Las Culturistas hate each other. They're having a big breakup and they are going to cancel the Las Culturistas ball on television. And they don't know what to do because they already got all of the people and they got all of the sponsors. And I secretly gossipy and tell you that news. Hey guys, I heard that blah, blah, blah. Maybe you should call this person, but it's not like out yet, but I'm helping you because now you can go and like play your cards right to get in the room with the right people to get ahead.

8:15That's good gossip. Bad gossip is like when a bitch told someone at a job I had that like, I lost my diamond ring on the red carpet on purpose for attention. That's like straight gossip. If I could manipulate the internet into going viral with 20 million views, I would be doing that every day. That's not something you can actually do on purpose. So fuck off.

8:40Ben Mandelker: So it's like, if it's gossip, it's like, hey, I'm giving you this, you're giving, it's more like you're giving intel. You're giving intel to something like, hey, this could be really helpful for your show or for your thing. When you meet this person you should know this about them so that way you're best prepared for this professional moment versus just like oh here's some shitty piece of news about someone that might actually like hurt them yeah like when like for instance i gossip constantly about all the podcasters all the female podcasters because all these female podcasters are going out here and they're signing all these deals where it's like i'm making 125 million dollars and i'm like okay i need to gossip about this because i need to level the playing field that none of this is true This is a made up number.

9:21This is, yes, you're going to make$125 million if you find the second coming Jesus Christ, invent six shows that are exactly like yours, create a Coachella on four different continents, sell$70 million worth of merch. Like, yeah, sure, you're going to get that check. But like, it's all based on things that you're hitting. No one's walking away with$125 million check for a podcast. That's impossible. It's not fucking happening. Sorry.

9:47Ronnie Karam: So I gossip about that. You just ruined my thinking about it. I was like, wow,$140 million or whatever the rumor was. I was like, oh, my God. And in the Call Her Daddy case, I know you're not even speaking about that specifically. But in that one, she works hard for that money. It's like get up every day and sell 20 different things and a reality show. That's a lot. I mean, it's not like they're just handing it to you.

10:17Ben Mandelker: yeah athletes have to get these crazy contracts when this always makes headlines it's like a 500 million dollar contract but you have to hit this mark and this mark and this mark and this mark it's like oh you sprained your ankle guess what it's actually all canceled right now yeah do you remember when they used to be like jenna jackson signed a 60 million dollar deal with blah blah blah okay well that was for 10 records so you were banking that jenna jackson each one of her records would be escapade for the rest of her career like none of that is possible Like it's, it's all smoke and mirrors, which I know, but it's like, how do we smoke and mirrors it in our, in our own favor?

10:51Ronnie Karam: In your favor. So that we get richer, you know?

10:55Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. I totally get that because, you know, people always, especially on the Bravo shows, people are always saying things like, whatever you say, like, just say it to my face. Like, don't say it behind my back. But the truth is that realistically, we as people do talk behind each other's backs because we need to vent and we need to understand things. And we need to like, you know, we just have to get like, we just sometimes need to like say things to like to organize our thoughts. And like there is a good way to do it and there is a bad way to do it. And when you do it badly, you just look shitty.

11:25Ben Mandelker: But there's a way where it's kind of like, you know. Do you want, Kelsey, are you watching Survivor? This ties into this. The 50th? I've watched Survivor. The current one, no. Okay. The current one, there's a guy on there who was talking shit to someone on his tribe to sort of test the waters. And he was like, negativity is a really bonding force. Because if you're being negative with someone, that's actually quite risky. And if someone is willing to take a risk with you, that's good to see. And I was like, that was so profound. profound. It's very intimate. When I was writing the FM theory, I was doing a ton of research and actually like the reason, I mean, and you can quote me on this.

12:05Okay. This is some, some golden crappy level worth quotes, best quote by a non housewife. I think that's a new category. Um, is when I was doing all my research on this book, the core of civilization, we would not exist if we didn't gossip like the secrets of civilization is gossip it's the same as like when animals like you know they sit and they pick at each other's skin and they send like that's what gossiping is to us like that's the human version of gossip is like we get in a little and it's like that's what pushes society forward it's like what the romans you like it there's a whole it's in the book it's not boring in the book i promise it's not as boring as what i'm saying here either but anyway there's like a whole thing about like how gossip is literally like made society culturized like the romans and you know the british and the fights and sending messages across the ocean and the gut like anyway so bridgerton is on to something the other thing i learned when i was researching my book and i think this is very important for everyone before we talk about mad housewife shit is the let them theory is actually killing us i don't know how many times i can say this but i did so much research on like the unfinished business so actually if you take it one step further because I know who I'm with right now.

13:18Housewives are probably some of the longest living people. Reality stars in general will live longer and be healthier than anyone else. It doesn't even matter if Dorit is like smoking out the window because when you self-silence, especially as a woman, it causes cancer. It causes Parkinson's. It causes dementia. Unfinished stuff sits in your neurons in your brain. It calcifies. And like, that's what causes it. It causes IBS. So you cannot let them. You have to say it out loud. You have to have awkward conversations. You have to sit at the dinner party and say, I want to bring this up. I want to clear the air.

13:51I want to say this out, even if it's uncomfortable. And that is what reality stars are forced to do on reality TV. So what the truth is, Lisa Rinna is going to live till 140.

14:01Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah. I've always said negativity is underrated. I got really into therapy and and pop psychology books and i was always trying to be positive and ignore my nature you know i was always trying to change my nature because it's hypercritical and it's you know people get offended and i mask everything in shitty humor you know and then i thought fuck this i did it for a while but everybody surrounding you is doing it at all times and it's like well what are you feeling like your husband's cheating on you you know your dog just died like stop this bullshit just say fuck you you know i just just say fuck you for crying out loud and it's it's a

14:43Ben Mandelker: much more freeing way to live i agree i i so like my psychological profile um is that i'm the best little boy in the world um this is what my therapist told me and um part of that is it's actually like being gay and in the closet as a child like you want always smooth social interaction so you could be invisible because like no one's everyone's so happy they're not looking to see hey wait a second is that little boy with the limp wrist gay and so you know like as a result i'm very very uncomfortable with confrontation like when i watch the real housewives um it's like i can never really imagine being someone who when someone says something rude to me that i immediately pop off and have a response right away and like what the fuck is wrong with you and like make a moment tense like that's actually like even with therapy and getting better about speaking up and saying my piece like you know i it's very it's very hard for me but i do find that's what's good about having a podcast so that you can get it all out but just indirectly i mean a podcast is kind of like one big gossip machine right like it sort of is like you're saying all this shit about people

15:54Ronnie Karam: but like not to their face and especially you guys kelty because you talk a lot more gossipy type stuff than us. We mostly recap. So how much trouble do you get in with your mouth? Celebrity wise, like who's Maxie is asking, who's your celebrity beef? Oh, I know what they're talking about. There's, there's some lore around me that I pissed off a celebrity a bunch of years ago, and then I had to send them flowers. And we've been waiting for a reply because I didn't find out till like four years later that this celebrity hated me. I can't tell you who it is. This is going to the with me. But a lot of celebrities hate me, but a lot of them love me.

16:36And I think that I actually don't often get in trouble because what I say is true. I am a vault of secrets. I know so many secrets. People tell me I know 15 people that have had facelifts or divorces or fraud or albums that sucked and they botted them to the top of the charts. Like I know so many secrets about people that I would never share. I don't know why people, when you're in entertainment news, everyone wants to tell you their gossip. Like, it's like, you're like, they're like, Oh my God, did you hear? And you're like, Oh my God, don't tell me this. Am I allowed to, I have a game with my husband called, am I allowed to know this?

17:12Cause he's a music manager and he knows everyone. And I'm like, am I allowed to know this about Beyonce right now? Anyway. Um, but lots of people hate me and you know, and it's fine. I, um, I don't care. My mouth gets me in trouble. Like one time I was telling the story of how I hate Jake Gyllenhaal. Well, I don't anymore, but I did hate Jake Gyllenhaal for like many years. I found him to be a little, we had like a moment on the red carpet where he's very standoffish and I was just trying to tell him he was sexy, but apparently he didn't. He's a serious actor. So he didn't want to be told he was sexy, even though he's sexy.

17:41Well, I thought he was sexy then. I don't anymore. Um, anyway, about my craft. He's like, let's talk about the craft. And I was like, I'm getting there, you know, like it takes a minute to get the camera set up. I got to be like, anyway. So he was like, I was mad about that for a long time. And I talked about on the podcast and I, and you know, my problem is sometimes I forget that I'm perceived like you guys, you're like, we're just in our houses. I'm just in my house right now. I'm just wearing my little cozy sweater. Like no one's going to see this. And then someone will like screenshot it and send to Jake Gyllenhaal's publicist.

18:10And then she's calling entertainment tonight and they're mad at me and like all that stuff. So, but I sense have made up with Jake Gyllenhaal. So we're good.

18:17Ben Mandelker: You know, but you have like a very, well, what you were saying about

18:19Ronnie Karam: keeping secrets before I am a vault as well. And people will tell me any, I mean, we've met a lot of bravo people like a lot of housewives and stuff and we have kept so many secrets and yeah i don't even think that they want us to keep the secrets i think they're telling us so that we will spread their shit and go you know use it in a smart way like you were trying to teach us before but i will not do it because i know that that's what they're doing you know and you know with bravo especially since you cover so much bravo like bravo is so interesting to me so and this is a story that's out there.

18:53But many, many years ago, um, Heather Dubrow had asked Jack Vanek of Lady Gang Podcast had moved to the OC and she was like, Hey Jack, like, I know this is crazy. Would you ever be a housewife? And Jack is like, she never leaves the house. She's like a little baby turtle. It's like, I mean, she barely can do get on camera for the podcast. This is not her. And she's like, absolutely not. No, never. And she like screenshot at the text. And then we were doing a show and she put it up on the screen and she was like, here's my good week. And she's like telling the story and someone in the audience screenshot it and sent it to heather and heather called and was like what the fuck guys because the person who hates gossip the most is actually bravo bravo is nutso banana so like i did hear the debbie matanopoulos was in the running like whether or not she was far along or whatever but then you remember she went on the interview and she's like oh i'm in talks to do housewives or whatever even if she was in talks they would be like nope they do not want you to spoil anything and they are very like bravo in general is very don't you feel like it's very vaulty like they will let you know when it's time to know the drama

19:58Ben Mandelker: yeah they're very very careful about that they're very careful with their talent they like you have to like it's it's it's it's a whole thing with bravo and we are we have a very They've gotten looser. Yeah.

20:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah, they've gotten looser, don't you think, over the years? Because they used to be like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like if you interviewed somebody from there, they would listen to it and tell you what to keep and what to edit and stuff like that. No, for sure. They used to be a lot more controlling, and I think they've really loosened up and let podcasters and stuff like that in. I mean, it's loosened in the past few years. yeah we're we're fueling the community but you still can't be like oh my friend rachel zo's going to be a housewife like i couldn't just say that on jeff lewis even though i know

20:42Ben Mandelker: two months before that you know yeah and we are i mean you know there are there are a lot of things that we usually have the inside track on that people will tell us because like ronnie said and you said like people do tell us stuff but we never we never spoil stuff we keep it all we keep it all in our own vaults you know and i think by the way that's an important part of like good gossip too is like you have to know what has to stay in the vault because if you let that if that vault door opens up swings open too much that's that's not good gossip like it has to be very very selective right i love super vixen's comment he did roadhouse too and didn't like being called sexy jake jill and hall he had like this spider tatt sorry i just had to go back to this this giant spider tattoo on his sexy neck and he's walking up to me and i'm literally like you know just trying to get the the camera right and stuff and i said oh i think you might win an oscar for being sexy for that neck tattoo or something and he literally went and then just walked away like didn't even do the interview i almost got fired guys it was so crazy that's so honestly though like people they people they need to get their their sticks out of their asses okay like jj linald you're on a red carpet with a spider tattoo for your roadhouse movie this was not for like the hours part three like this is roadhouse part two so let's like not like a too precious rock would never dwayne johnson would never dwayne johnson would bring me a he would say oh my god i have a fake tattoo of this in my bag let me lick it on your neck and then he would tweet about it later an angel on earth a big do you see how skinny he is what's happening where's the rock I know.

22:18He's trying to win an Oscar. They always get skinny.

22:22Ben Mandelker: I know. It's like a fashion. Yes, or ugly. Ugly. Women get ugly and men get skinny. That's right.

22:29Ronnie Karam: Yeah. That they do 100%. Yeah. Charlize Theron was like, I'm going to be ugly for Monster. And they're like, oh, my God. Charlize came on the screen without makeup. Right.

22:38Ben Mandelker: And you're like, how did she get ugly? This is impossible. Yeah, it's crazy. The best part is when like an actress does like the ugly thing for the Oscar, but then they are like, then it's like even more so for the Oscar campaign. They have to be like, don't worry, everyone. I'm still beautiful. Yes. I'm stunning. It's like five tips to how I keep my skin looking fresh. Water, water, water, and a nice massage and a green juice. It has nothing to do with this baby animal. I squeezed out their pulp and rubbed it all over my body last night and in a seance. Like, no, it's not bad.

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26:39Ronnie Karam: My LA ad says, if you can get ugly and skinny, Oscar's locked in. Oh, for sure. I'm just like waiting for Oscar season. I'm like, who will be ugly this year? Eddie Redmayne.

26:51Ben Mandelker: Do you find that there's a difference between like encountering, I mean, this sort of seems like an obvious question, but like when you encounter, when you do like a red carpet with like famous actors versus a red carpet where it's gonna be like Bravo Lebrides, like what is, what's the vibe like? well okay this is actually such a good question so let me be very clear and this is like something i have a chapter in the fuck them theory here it is again everyone please on amazon i'm the 33 000th most popular book on amazon which is so embarrassing and like i want to die i want to

27:24Ronnie Karam: jake gyllenhaal okay um so um um anyway okay so here's the thing about bravo elaborate reality carpets and carpets. All of these people are desperate for attention. They all want it. They are all delusional. They all are self-centered narcissists. Like that is it, those things. But this side over here, the actors, they can never admit that they're happy to be there. They can never, it's just an honor to be nominated. I don't do my work for the awards. You know what I mean? And over here, you've got Lisa Renna or sorry, Lisa Barlow. Like I'm here for the awards. I'm here for the awards.

28:02Ben Mandelker: What? You're not here for the awards? I'm here for the awards. And now I want a Grammy. Like, you know what I mean? And they admit it fully. And that's, what's so fun about BravoCon doing interviews is like, you're not, you're not begging, you know, please come over Kate Hudson. Please do an interview with me. They are running up to you. They are locked in. They're like, I came here. I, I got glam. I got this outfit. I've had it for three months custom boots yeah and i want to talk to every outlet you know i saw you in the in the

28:31Ronnie Karam: press room at bravo con and we don't do a lot of that stuff but you know i had to pass and ben wasn't with me so it's like i'm gonna go in there and see it so i was talking to you in there and watching you just hustle but i was cracking up with you about how all the press were just at the tables and the the talent was lined they were literally lined up there were more of them i think lined up to talk to you guys. They're waiting around. And there were a ton of you guys. Yeah. They're waiting around. They're like, I will get my moment. And it's just so wild. And that's why I love about the Ultimate Girls Trip.

29:04I love when we cross-pollinate between all the shows and stuff. That is like Super Bowl-level excitement for me. I don't know. It's just so fun. And reality stars, they know how to talk about themselves, and they are not precious. And so that's what makes them so fun. But I think what is such an interesting thing, not to get serious here, But what the change in in like like in journalism and in these sites and like in the entertainment tonight's and the ease. It's crazy because now we are so determined who we're going to take on a carpet by like clicks and Instagrams and all these things. So it used to be, oh, my God, you just want the biggest star for the cachet.

29:41But now you would rather take Sierra Miller at the VMAs than even Madonna because Sierra's interview about Shabuzi is going to get more clicks than even a Madonna interview, which is like, I'm so sorry to the gays. Like, you know, I'm sorry.

29:54Ben Mandelker: I'm like a little offended. I know for sure. But it's a really interesting thing. Like there's so much power in reality television and it's actually crazy. It doesn't actually get enough respect because the truth is that we're all watching it. It's like gossip itself. We're all doing it. We're all watching it. And there's a reason why all these eyeballs are going to like a Sierra Miller story over a Madonna story, quite frankly. Now, one thing, speaking of red carpets and BravoCon and like, you know, like difference between A-listers and reality stars. One thing that I thought was really interesting about going to BravoCon last year was that like all these like real housewives who are normally like would never even be able to go to the Oscars unless they were Lisa Barlow getting an invitation every year.

30:36Ben Mandelker: they're normally like bottom of the barrel and yet at bravo con they all become a a a list do you find that was there like a difference in terms of like someone that you see on the red carpet fairly regularly for like like humdrum events and then like did they have like a change of like personality at bravo con because they were like really feeling themselves they're like oh now suddenly i'm like the top of the pyramid at this giant convention or was or they chill i'm gonna to be so shady just because it's you guys and we're like hidden right we're on patreon no one's

31:09Ronnie Karam: no no no we're we're on instagram and uh youtube live as well we're on instagram and the feed yeah am i on instagram yeah did i do i need to accept a collab uh i don't know we'll do we'll do it tomorrow when we release the episode we do it live but then we we release it so i'm gonna be shady but i just need to see that was me being a smart gossip i gotta know where this gossip is I got to be really honest with you guys and you're really going to hate this, but there really is not much crossover. Like you're, you're wanting an example of like, oh, when these Bravo stars come into like Hollywood proper and they're like kind of like low end of, they don't, they don't like, it doesn't happen.

31:50The only person that does is Lisa Rinna. And like, she's so, and this is recent. Like she's so beloved. Cause you're always like, she's going to be wacky. She's going to say something crazy. Like you're really excited to see her. but um but they're like just isn't like i'm thinking golden globes grammys the big like big five oscars screen actors guild awards emmys like we get a little bit of reality at emmys now because like you know every once in a while like a rupaul's drag race or a traitors you know would happen but no i i think actually um whoever's my lax is saying um the people who cross over Rachel Zoe is like more at a Hollywood party because she's like friends with Brian Atwood and friends with everyone.

32:34Like, so she'll be at an Oscars after party or whatever, but they really don't show up to those places. So it's, it's like, they don't even know they're supposed to be submissive. They just go to Bravo con and they're like, it's great to be on a red carpet.

32:50Ben Mandelker: They're just like, their existence is like, they're just Jake Gyllenhaal. They're just Jake Gyllenhaal with a spider tattoo. They're just Jake. They're just it. You know, it's, it's, yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting. I mean, Jennifer Tilly obviously was at the Oscars. Like she's an icon. She's.

33:06Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, she's an Oscar nominee. She's, she's like crazy. Like she, she belongs. But like, yeah, it's just, it's so still such weird separate worlds. That's why it's such a big deal. Well, it should be. I mean, what would you do if you were doing the Oscars and, you know, Tamara was sitting with Robert De Niro. There has to be some – I think we need some information. And I like it being separate. I like one thing being considered trash that not everybody is watching or they kind of look down on. It makes me feel like part of a secret society. Yes. But also it's one of life's little baby miracles.

33:43It's like a delicious, uncrustable when you get those two worlds out in the wild. like I think something just happened right where someone saw Lisa Barlow was it Sarah Paulson and like so you'll you'll be I think it was a New York premiere and Lisa was there and like you'll see Sarah Paulson who's like this acclaimed actor and then she'll be like oh my god it's Lisa Barlow or like I've had uh Jennifer Lawrence at the Golden Globes with me was during like receipts timeline proof and I came up to her and I was like oh my god I grabbed her hand and brought her into E and I was like I'm so excited to see you so we can talk about Housewives I did not even talk to her about the nomination she was walking away and i was like i need to ask you about the nomination she goes oh yeah that thing like all she wanted to do is talk about because it was right after

34:26Ben Mandelker: receipts yeah don't you feel like also watching bravo another way i'm trying to do a parallel about your gossip thing but i i feel like in the way that sometimes having like some gossip that you can kiki about at a party i feel like bravo does the same thing like if you're in some sort of boring party but you find that person who watches bravo and like really watches it suddenly you can just like have fun and you can have a conversation and like when that happens on the red carpet for you is that just like oh thank god yes like vacation oh my god like i wish lisa barlow was going to the oscars love you lisa never seen you there girl been there for 15 years but

35:03Ronnie Karam: okay um anyway no i've been invited i'm invited no i think i think what she meant and she probably is there are a lot of around the way oscar situations like yeah you can go to the governor's ball you can go and like the oscars is also at the dolby theater it fits 5 000 people like you can go to the oscars you're not you're not nicole kitman you know what i mean or you're at the elton john oscar party like there's a lot of oscar adjacent situations happening in la that weekend which i have no doubt that she would be well she's a party planner you know she was doing Party planning and marketing and stuff like that.

35:41Ronnie Karam: So she was like, I'm the queen of Sundance. Yeah, there's no doubt. There's no doubt that she's been invited and producers and stuff like that. But she's not walking the main carpet at the Oscars. I'm barely walking that carpet and I'm literally there.

35:55Ben Mandelker: You know a party I want to go to at the Oscars? I think it's called like – Isn't it called like the Night of a Thousand Stars or whatever? And there's this one party that happens. It's like during the Oscars. It's like an Oscar viewing party. and it's all like the sitcom stars of yore. It was like the two blonde women from Perfect Strangers go to it. And if you were on a sitcom in 1987, if you're Eric Estrada, you're at this thing. I could swear there's a party called the Night of a Thousand Stars. And I feel like that would be the best thing ever to go to. Have you ever heard of this? Or is this like some crazy fever dream in my head?

36:33Ronnie Karam: Well, she's gonna try and get an invite now. You just said Eric Estrada. Yeah. That and the Hollywood Christmas parade, you know? Okay. I would like to be there. I'm very sorry to Elvery for waving my hand around. I'm a big talker. And also funny enough, that's what Andy Cohen said to me when he trolled me when I was a baby host. And that's also in the book. I had a Andy Cohen run in when I was a baby reporter and he was like, who is this girl? Why is she waving her hands around like this? I'm honestly, I'm triggered right now. And it's a very interesting lesson I learned from Andy Cohen because he, I went back and watched that footage and he actually made, I owe my entire career to Andy Cohen because he said these negative things about me online, about being a bad host.

37:17And then I went and I watched them and I was a bad host. And now I'm a good host, but apparently I'm still waving my hands around. But anyway.

37:25Ronnie Karam: Well, how could somebody host every Housewives reunion and produces all of the Housewives complain about people waving their hand around. That's the move. Housewives do this. I know, but not the host. The host chill. The host has to be... The host has to...

37:47Ben Mandelker: I flop around. This is why it'll never work out for me. You're not floppy. No, I flop too. You put me on stage. And I make all fans flop. Look how big they are. You almost look like you have a webbed hand. Me? Me?

38:02Ronnie Karam: I have gigantic hands. No, but they're webbed. No, look at these things. They're just big. I have two webbed toes. Two toes on my each foot are stuck together. Isn't that cute? There you go. Fun fact. Did that turn you on? Sorry. You're just baby gorgeous. Your webbed toes are everything, everything. thing let's talk about a little bravo oh go ahead yeah i was gonna say about hypocrisy and bullshit what do you think about that i gotta tell you something so funny lisa's gonna kill me i was taught i was actually called on facetime with lisa the other day this way i can rile her up because she's kind of a friend and she was saying something to me like guys my husband is the evp of rock nation like he's big he's like not big time i'm not trying to be a dick but like he's music business he knows all the people he like has superstars like he's he's pretty music Disney and Lisa says something when she's talking about something she goes well now that I'm doing music and I was like are you the like like she she bless her heart she really on the show she's like well you know what it's like it's good that I'm like more of a Beyonce voice you know like I'm less Broadway and more like Beyonce.

39:22She's really serious. And you know what? With the way the music business is now, I don't like anything's possible. You know, Rebecca Black is playing out, you know, it's not a music conference, music festivals for like 40 ,000 people. The Friday girl, Friday, Friday. Crazy, right? She's has a career. I also love all these people are becoming so smart. They're like, you know what's easy? DJing. So now they're all DJs.

39:48Ronnie Karam: I know. So, but do you think there are they even DJing? They're not really DJing. Meredith couldn't even get her microphone to work on the episode they were showing. I think that that's, you know, Kyle T. Mack, T. Kyle Mack, so sorry, made her first Meredith remix. And I think she was just playing that. But do you think they're really learning how to use those pioneers? Or are they just getting people to pre-mix stuff for them and pressing play? If I was them, I would be pre-mixing, pressing play, maybe adding a. You know that noise?

40:22Ben Mandelker: Oh, yeah, the air horn. I have it on my computer somewhere. Yeah, like I would add that in. But like really it's just about – like I actually do think Paris Hilton may be really DJing because she's like a really intense person, like a very – it's weirdly surprising that she – Paris is like very dedicated. And so I feel like she's just like – I remember she used to have a recording studio in her home and it was like she knew how to work all that stuff like i did an interview with her she was like let me just so um but i think everyone else is and she's a big dj she's been doing it for a

40:56Ronnie Karam: long time like she actually learned the art before all the house way before like a decade at least

41:02Ben Mandelker: before all the house was melissa gorga had a studio in her home too i just want to point that out let's never forget melissa gorga had a basement studio yeah her first season that's where on display was

41:14Ronnie Karam: was put together yeah joey built her a studio and she sang on display before she was every famous guys it was so hard being on display on display has anyone checked on sheena

41:24Ben Mandelker: um well sheena actually just posted something today um with someone else who i don't i didn't know who they were but they were both holding their books and they were walking and it was like like letting everyone know in our lives there were authors now or something it was something like Like, oh, wow, if you knew me when we were 20s, watch out because we're writing about you in our books. It was like a really like, ooh, like she's coming for you. She's coming for you. I think it's so interesting that people who are having success as reality stars are like, you know what? As my side hustle, I should do the hardest thing in entertainment, which is to have a music career.

42:05You make no fucking – sorry. You make no money. um like there there is the streams are 0.0000 you're not it's not caviar dreams meredith marks you know i mean she's probably making money for the dj gigs but like is there anything harder than being a pop star like it's actually impossible to be it seems brutal my niece is a big fan girl

42:27Ronnie Karam: she goes to concerts constantly she's she went to harry styles like four or five times just this year like she's obsessed and the more she tells me about it i'm like wow they work so hard they're doing shows oh my god and very low return rate unless you're a superstar and so i'm like guys if you're gonna do a side hustle have we learned nothing it's like you know it's scrub daddy make a scrub daddy make a you know make a product um yes like sodia was onto something we know what to do. We need an air fryer with your face on it. Like do something that's actually going to make you money. Start an MLM, start a cult, sell it.

43:13Ronnie Karam: You know what? I just remembered why I begged you to be on. I need to talk to your people right now. I need to talk to the crappies.

43:21Ben Mandelker: Okay, please. Yes. Geraldine's actually. It's a long story, but I need to talk to the Geraldine's. I am having a mental breakdown, Geraldine's, because Amanda Francis, the grifter of all grifty grifts is number 9 ,000 on Amazon, her book. And her book's been out for five years. Now it is 999. It's paperback. But can you imagine all last year or the year before, whenever that was, all I did on the podcast was talk about how she's grifting. She's like, let me sell you a course. And the course is going to be how to make your own course and sell your course. And sometimes you can sell my course and that like, it is the, it is the grifter.

43:59Like I'm so confused by it, but I'm also enamored with her. I know she just had the wedding that we need to talk about, but like, I am obsessed with her because I'm like, you are so delusional and you are selling a course about how to make a course about how to make a court. Like, it's like, what eighth ring of hell am I in? But you guys, she's beating me on the charts. And that's why I came to you. Cause I need the Geraldine's help because I am below the grifter and that is making me feel like I'm not

44:24Ben Mandelker: smart we need everyone to rise up and push kelty's numbers above amanda francis now you know we're gonna make sure you are number one across all categories self-help non-self-help just help just just hardware gardening fix it help category fix it on every language auto spanish i know i it's coming to german i got a german book deal an italy book deal and a uk book deal, which is so exciting. Not Canada, my home and native line. But anyway, I'm just saying I made so much fun of Amanda because we did this whole thing. Like we had, we had words on Instagram because she was like, I'm the number one book on Amazon.

45:04And I'm like, yeah, but Amazon's an algorithm. That's like being the number one trending topic on Twitter. Like it changes every hour. And if you get 400 people in one hour to buy your book, like right now, if every Geraldine went and bought a copy of the book, I would probably go up to 9 ,000, but then I'm going to fall back anyway i never got to number one but then she was like then she like screenshot it and sent me her flow chart of book sales and she has sold a ton of books she sold almost a hundred

45:31Ben Mandelker: thousand copies of that stupid ass book and i'm like rich as f and i'm yeah rich as f that's right i'm like this is not who you should be taking advice from yeah but that's people saying this

45:44Ronnie Karam: is how to be rich. You know, that's what you have. I think that's what people have to do. Yeah, you need to add that. I've bought so many self-help books. And the most recent ones I've bought are just all repeats of the original one. But you know, when people are sad, we really need that shit. And when people are poor, we need someone to tell us how to be rich. I mean, did you read The Secret when that came out years ago? Of course. Were you a secret head? No, I read them all. I am a secret head. Girl, wash your face. Like, I do all of that, you know. People are asking in the comments. Yes, there's an audio book, you dumb asses.

46:16I'm just kidding.

46:17Ben Mandelker: Is it going to be in German also? Let me just tell you something. I want to know who's going to do your book in German. You guys, let me tell you something. Here's what not to do. Okay? Here's what not to do. It doesn't matter if it's me or Teresa Giudice with her book that we don't know who wrote that. But here's what not to do. When I'm like, oh, my God. And they're like, and this is Kelsey. She's got a new book. When you turn to that person, that author, and you go, oh, I don't read. Don't do that. Oh, yeah. People do that to us all the time. People do that. They don't say that, but they say like, oh, yeah, we have a podcast about Bravo.

46:50Ben Mandelker: Oh, I don't know how you can watch that stuff. And you're just like. Or people brag about people actually will come to our shows, like people who are like, like brought in as friends and they'll be like. I don't know who you are. I love saying that. Why? Why are you saying that? I don't want to be. I hate these shows. They don't want to be seen as like, like, I'm not like some crazy fan. Like, I'm normal. like I'm not like blinded by you're not normally I think it's you don't love us right I'm like you don't understand I I live for the flattery when you say like oh I don't watch I'm like I know you're trying to say I'm a normal person and I'm not like a crazy person's gonna stalk you but I'm like I I need to be stalked actually a little bit I need a little bit of

47:32Ronnie Karam: stalking yeah one the guy working at the front desk of the hotel oh god yeah no someone just said people asked if you have an audiobook to support you in another way yes obviously I know I was joking, guys. You're not dumbasses if you want to listen to it. Yeah, yeah. You're all smart, sweet, golden, magical snowflakes. You're all baby gorgeous.

47:55Ben Mandelker: Baby gorgeous.

47:56Ronnie Karam: The book is called The Fuck Them Theory. So what are we expecting? The guy at the checkout or the check-in at the hotel, he said, what are you guys doing here? Because Ben had mentioned we were on our way to the theater. And so I told him and he was like, oh, yeah, I don't watch any of that. My wife does. And it makes me crazy. And I said, oh, really? I said, well, have fun going to cry about whatever fucking ball you're going to be watching thrown and dropped later. Like sports. These guys are like, oh, good. All these drama queens. And then you see all the sports fans like. Have you ever seen a man?

48:34Ronnie Karam: When they're not getting their way. Come on. Let me tell you something about sports. you know they don't need to be laying down that long when they get a little bit hurt these man babies okay you want to talk about dramatics go to a hockey game this man got just a little bit side checked and he's got to like we got to stop the game everyone's got to be quiet we got to get 19 people out on the field to make sure his little ankle's okay bitch this is your job get the fuck up and get off let's continue like you want to talk about dramatics it is

49:07Ben Mandelker: sports those little man flu pussies are sucking it dry i'll tell you one thing um sports reporting is so dramatic and so over the top and like all those guys will be the first one to be like oh i don't want to watch those housewives like just what ronnie said i don't watch those people just fighting like oh my god it's so ridiculous sports report if you ever read uh like an article about like anything that happens in sports, they get so crazy. And just in writing, it's mostly just like straight journalism. And they'll be like, and this was just a terrible moment. And really what I remember back like 20 years ago, Randy Moss, like mooned, um, like green bay, he was on the Vikings, he mooned green bay and all the sports, you know, all the sportscasters were like, what a terrible thing that we just witnessed.

49:56Ben Mandelker: I mean, this is just an absolute obscenity. I can't believe I'm sorry to everyone. It's like, bro, relax. It's like a but, you know? So sports people, and I love sports, but like - I love sports too, where I'm a huge hockey fan. Like I love sports, but when you act like sports are better than Bravo, you are incorrect. That's what I always say. I'm like, look, people sat down and made an entire evening's plan about watching like one of the Pauls, Jake or the other Paul, like Pummel Mike Tyson, who's like 65 years old. They all sat down to watch that on Netflix, But there's like, oh, God forbid, like we watch, you know, Vicky and Tamara, you know, go to Japan and have a fight.

50:39Ben Mandelker: Let us live. Not as exciting as the Mike Tyson fight. But still, you get my point. Yeah. All right. Gemstone just said she's from Dallas. Hi, I'm going to Dallas on my book tour. Please, I'll see you there. Thanks. Well, remind everyone. Let's go over some of these days.

50:54Ronnie Karam: And who do you have? Oh, I see here. So you're going to be in Atlanta on November 15. That got canceled. No one bought tickets. Thank you so much. Oh, I'm so sorry. Well, it's your damn website, lady. Is it still there? They didn't take it down. Hold on. I'm going to make a note. Yeah. I'm on your site. Yeah. Anyway, no, it's fine. I got in a fight with Books A Million. It's a long story. Okay. Thank you so much. Atlanta. I'm starting in D.C. with Jesse Draper from the Real Housewives of Moor Salt Lake. No.

51:26Ben Mandelker: Jesse Draper from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Mormon Wives. Wait, when's that day? When are you going to be in D.C.? November 19th, Boston with Holly Madison on November 20th. Philadelphia with Christina Perry, my best friend. Chicago the 22nd. New York with Caitlin Bristow from The Bachelor. Seattle with Justin Sylvester on December 3rd. San Francisco with Holly Madison. December 5th with Sierra Miller. And Dallas with Maul Anderson. Wow. Amazing. Oh, my God. You're going to be moving. You're going to be doing a lot of, that's a lot. Do you guys have any advice for me? Because your live shows are so killer.

52:09Ronnie Karam: Excuse me. When we started doing these, our first place that we went to on the screen, it said, girl gang, watch what crap happens. You guys were the first podcast we ever, we were like, what is that? And we had the same booking agent back at that time. That's when we first, I mean, you guys have been doing it forever. I know, it's true. But I'm alone now. I'm just me, just annoying me. Well, and Holly and Sierra.

52:39Ben Mandelker: You're going to be, listen, people are coming to see you. But like, you just, you have to be yourself and you have to have fun. Here's what I actually say is I, well, you look, you're a former dancer. And you know what? A rock hat. What we do is we get up there and we sit. Because I will say one thing that is the worst is like I've gone to various shows where people get up there and they sometimes forget that there's an audience there. They just sort of just talk. And you have to remember there are people that are sitting in those seats and they like, you know. They're falling asleep. Yeah. You don't want to put people to sleep.

53:17Ben Mandelker: So you just keep your energy up. And, you know, you want to like, you know, keep everyone involved. You've been part of the whole story.

53:26Ronnie Karam: Kelton, you know, you've been doing this for a very long time. My gosh. I'm going to call you for advice. Give them the old razzle dazzle. I think I'm just still hurt that I auditioned for Chicago and didn't get it. So, you know, I haven't really been on stage since.

53:44Ben Mandelker: If it's any consolation, Countess Luann didn't get it either. Did she audition? No, remember when at the peak of Countess Luann and Tom Dex, you know? When there was like talk, like I think she was in talks with them and she went on the stage show and was like, well, I'm going to be in Chicago. And then they were like, yeah, no, you're fired. I did the same thing. I was really excited because I got to perform one number on the Thanksgiving Day Parade. And then they were like, you should come do a run in Chicago. And I was like, great. And I started telling everyone that I was going to do it. And then they were like, no, no, no, you still have to audition.

54:14And I was like, oh, this wasn't a direct offer.

54:17Ronnie Karam: Oh, what the hell? I'm going to put this up. I want to call you for advice on pictures because look at this. I'm putting your book cover up here so people can get a close-up. You've been showing it, but it's been small. Look at this. Yeah. The fucking theory. This is so good. And when you come to the tour, everyone gets these. Isn't this so cute? Hold on. Let me remove this picture so we can see it in real life. Look it. These are cute.

54:47Ben Mandelker: They're cute. I actually do think, in all honesty, I think I really love your theory of that there's a good gossip and there's bad gossip. And that is true. And I think that if you can give people tips on how to harness that information and how to use it properly versus shooting yourself in the foot or making enemies, that's actually a very important life skill. You know, like manipulating the traffic of information as it comes into your life, not manipulating, but like being aware and like maneuvering through it is really, really important. So I think if you give tips to your audience about that, and if people know that when they come to your show that they could find ways to better sort of engage with people in these social professional settings, that'll be a huge asset to them.

55:33Thank you so much. And there's also like a lot of Hollywood secrets. Like if people are kind of like the behind the scenes of like these red carpets, people that hated me when I had a nemesis, how I worked out on that, how I got where I am, like the failures, the wins, calling the paparazzi on myself. Like I do think it's a really fun look at kind of the inner workings of the world from a professional, a professional inner working. Yeah.

55:58Ronnie Karam: Professional inner workings of a beautiful mind.

56:01Ben Mandelker: Well, I actually have a question for you. I have a question for Miss Knight over there. Thank you. you talked about how you've said before how there have been people like like a jake gyllenhaal or wherever where you've like you know someone has not liked you on the red carpet you've you've dealt with that how do you like how do you like then show up on a red carpet again without being like oh my god they don't like me or whatever like what do you do to have to like still just be like whatever i got to get out here and do my job uh knowing that you may have you know like ruffled feathers i this is why i would i honestly would be a great reality star i love to apologize like that is one of the girls on lady gang are always like kelty is a disaster of a human but she's actually like really great at apologizing and you know how you get good at apologizing by like screwing up a lot i'm excellent at apologizing so like i mess all the time.

56:56I say the wrong thing. I, you know, I do the wrong thing, but like, I'm good at apologizing and I will own my stuff, you know, like I own it. I will DM a person. I'll write their publicist. I'll write them a note and just be like, Hey, you know, I think what saves me is that I am an unintentional asshole. I, I am not like, and I think we all have these people in our lives, people that are just dicks because they're just nasty, rotten people, you know? And then there's people like us who, oops, just a little, oops, a little, a little mean, a little mean slipped out. Like, you know, like, it's just like.

57:33Just trying to make you laugh. Yeah. Like I'm trying to make a joke. And then the joke is like, no one's laughing. And you're like, oh, not funny. Oh, now I need to apologize. So I'm like an accidental asshole. And so, you know, I think people are more forgiving of someone like that than someone who is like a really just a jerk trying to take down other people on purpose to just be mean or to get whatever rage out. so I love to apologize and then secondly like I think that I have like a really great delusion about here's here's the truth and I think you guys are in a similar situation I have a beautiful marriage with a guy that I love and I have a very traumatic family situation that I talk about in the book but like haven't really shared a ton about and so like I got a nice little cove of home that is very grounding.

58:23And I am incredibly sure that we are living in fantasy land. Me being with you guys right now, talking about Bravo, like being on red carpets, wearing fancy dresses, like that is what Kelty Knight does. But Kelty, the human, she's like loved. She's got other shit to worry about. And she doesn't really care at the end of the day if like a person in Hollywood doesn't like her. Like, because that's really not important. And so I think that's how I stay grounded and have stayed good at my job. Anyway, let's talk about Bravo.

58:56Ronnie Karam: Listen, and also delusion. No worries. We're done. We're finished. No, we need to talk about the shows. Delusion, I think, is the key to happiness. We didn't talk about enough shows. Just do it fast. Oh, it's okay. Do a fast run. Fast run.

59:07Ben Mandelker: Let's talk about Carol. Okay, what do you think about Carol Ratz? We don't have to end.

59:10Ronnie Karam: I just don't want to keep you forever. Okay, go ahead. No, I love this. No, people are going to hate me because they'll be like, she came on and just talked about herself. I love it. No, no, it's great. I'm obsessed with it. New York Post, I would frame it, make wallpaper of it. What did you guys think?

59:23Ben Mandelker: I mean, I think it's crazy that she wound up on the front of that. I think what's also wild is that she seems to be very active on social media and she's responding to everything. This is not the Carol that I seem to remember the first time around. The first time around, Carol was a little bit above it all. She was just this cool girl who dropped into this wild thing, almost like she was like a sociologist and then she's gonna go talk to her cool friends about like i'm on this cool show it's wild like she always called them like her crazy aunts but now she's like in she's like getting getting her elbow or hands and her elbows like do you think this is i think she's coming off

59:59Ronnie Karam: as very thin-skinned and i can't believe she's actually i can't believe she's letting herself do like she's fighting with podcasters and bloggers and being like you're a bitch uh our friend Noor from the Reality Is podcast. She's just going at people, calling them bitch. It's like, girl, you know you were brought back because of the Epstein files and the Ryan Murphy show. Love story, sure. People are going to be coming at you, and not everybody's just going to believe your half-baked stories that you're peddling on the show. You're a real housewife. I can't believe she's being this thin-skinned about it.

1:00:34But also, you have to remember that she, the first time she was on bravo has changed even in the last four and a half years like the amount of like social media the community where people exchange the amount of bloggers people making content about what they're doing like it it's only been really in the past five years that people have even had the opportunity to like be perceived so much like it used to be we just watched the show but now it's like so i think this is her first spin on the like reading the comments part of being a bravo star and she's needs to take some lessons because it's not going

1:01:15Ben Mandelker: well i guess my question though is like do we think she's being like thin-skinned and she's like all of a sudden like this new parasocial world of bravo she doesn't know how to do it Or is she saying, you know what? I'm diving in this time. Last time I was like, I didn't, I sort of stayed away from it. This time I'm like, fuck it. Who cares? Someone's going to say shit about me. Whatever. I'm going to go in and have fun. Like I got to bring, I got to make the show big. Do you think it's like coming from like a cynical place or a thin skin place or both?

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1:03:59What do you think? I don't know.

1:04:01Ronnie Karam: I mean, I think she's being thin-skinned because she's not having fun with it. It's like, bitch, it's not a good look fighting with bloggers and podcasters.

1:04:15Ben Mandelker: There's a part of me that thinks that she's just like, whatever. I'm just going to do this. Last time, I took the high road, and I still got a lot of shit. So this time, I'm going to see what this low road is all about. I don't know. I kind of feel it could be like a little bit of all of the above. Like maybe she always had a thin skin, but she's like, I don't need to be part of that. But now she's like, I have a thin skin and this is probably good for my show. I don't know. Like I, I think that I think she's, I think she's intentionally doing it to, to drum up attention for the show. do you think i i actually don't know the answer to this so i'm going to ask my historians here when she left the first time was that on her own volition or did she get cut

1:05:01Ronnie Karam: she got in a fight did we ever know remember at the reunion this is nothing secret but at the reunion she got really pissed because andy was really sticking up for bethany we were doing a live show during that reunion and we were playing bodyguard you know the whitney bodyguard he was it because he was really every little thing is like carol that was mean and she was like whatever andy or shut up andy she said something like that and right then she was gone so i don't know like i wonder if it's like her just being over it yeah is this an effort to stay relevant because she never wants to be like not on the show again like do you know sometimes you're so desperate to be on the show like she's never came off to me as like a desperate for it and now you're like

1:05:46Ben Mandelker: Do you think that maybe someone said, listen, you don't like Jenna Lyons. She was like a cool, quirky, like previously, like previously known person who came in, but sort of stayed aloof and it didn't really work out. So you've got to don't do the Jenna Lyons thing. You have to get your hands a little dirty because we're all doing it and it's all going to work out in the end. We'll all hash it out. But it's not the hands are dirty. The hands are in the dumpster. Yeah. The hands are in a dumpster on a private island. Yeah.

1:06:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So people are complaining. You know, obviously, we're Bravo fans, and these shows are fighting and complaining, a lot of them. So the fans are kind of the same way and are always complaining, like, this season sucks. Of really, any show that you pick, they'll be like, this season sucks. Except Salt Lake. Except Salt Lake. I'm so sick of this. Salt Lake is getting that a little bit this year. Until this most recent episode, they were getting a lot of, like, what is this show now? Now this show sucks. This show's not as good as it was. And then of course we had this, this hypocrisy and bullshit episode, which I think kind of revived it.

1:06:50They're back. Yeah. What do you think,

1:06:52Ronnie Karam: which, which cities do you think still really have it? And do you think any are kind of losing their sparkle? What's your favorite of all the cities, I guess, in a more succinct way. Yeah. I, I really enjoy, I really do enjoy Salt Lake. I lost myself on New York. um i i think atlanta is probably overall long stem the best housewives franchise

1:07:20Ben Mandelker: yeah i think they had some rough years but they seem to be back okay um yeah they're still killing it beverly hills is good i actually uh went to rachel zoe's birthday party i'm always at her at her birthday party again this year that they were filming for the next season um and it was within the first 10 minutes on fire electric so i actually think we're going to get a really good season of beverly hills um oc is leah remini sorry to interrupt you but i have to ask you

1:07:53Ronnie Karam: or yeah sounds like the word is that she's great she's going to be great on it is that what you're hearing too all i know is this i was there as like a real friend because these are you know they're filming but they are real parties like this is someone's life and i was they all went up on stage to take a picture and i was like taking a picture and then i was like okay everyone say bra i don't know bravo or whatever i said chic or whatever and she goes fuck this and then walked off stage so like she really she's that girl you know she's that i'm into it okay so i I interrupted you, but you were going, you were talking about your favorites.

1:08:30Ronnie Karam: You were getting to real housewives of Orange County. I think OC is tough, tough, tough, tough. Like, you know, and they keep trying to add new people and it doesn't work, but it's like, I want to see Heather. I want to see her fabulous life. Like the thing about OC, I actually love Vicky on it. Like, I think she's so fun, but it's like, we're, we're continually having the same fights every year. and it's like i want a new fight but i also like don't necessarily want a new person so i don't

1:09:01Ben Mandelker: know how to fix that it's hard you know it's like probably the question bravo's asking too it's like two seasons ago orange county was absolutely riveting that's when you had shannon after her accident after like john jansen john jansen's kid lexus bolino it was just like yeah it was like i couldn't get enough of it and then you have like one bad season and then like it just spins out like all these shows it's so bad when you have one bad season and yeah something has to get something has to be changed like and i mean i i can already tell you what i think my change would be it's pretty obvious because i say it every single week on the show i think it's time for emily and gina to move on to greener pastures but um something has to be changed something has to be changed in oc because it's like it's not only the same fight the reason why it's always the same fight is because there's nothing else to talk about or nothing else interesting going on.

1:09:56Ben Mandelker: So they have to kind of go back to the same well, you know, you see Tamara, she was just like, basically like, okay, well we're in Japan. We don't have a fight. So let me bring up some shit with Vicky from two years ago and act like it's like still like very present in my life. You know, it's very strange. When I said Alexis Bellino, my Alexis started playing Selena. Hey, Alexa, turn the music off. What an honor. That was so weird. And I'm like, is someone robbing me right now? What's happening? Yes. Sorry. No, it was bitty, bitty, bum, bum. And I was like, what is happening? Yeah, Alexis Belinda wouldn't even know what that song is.

1:10:36But also, they're really happily, oh, and a termite just flew in my house. I think they're really happy, like john and alexis sorry just to bring that back like they kind of seem happy oh sorry shannon

1:10:47Ronnie Karam: yeah i mean they're bonded through you know reality tv trauma like they're keeping they're staying together to just defy the odds show everybody that yeah to show everybody that we're just a bunch of shit talking idiots who don't know anything they they would have stayed on the show if that was like their world i don't watch potomac should i option yeah you guys like

1:11:09Ben Mandelker: Like when this is done, you're going to watch it. You have to.

1:11:13Ronnie Karam: Do I have to start from the beginning? This week they had a color purple themed episode in a med spa. I mean, yeah. There's no, I mean, that show is classic. It's so good.

1:11:24Ben Mandelker: Oh my God. Okay. If you, if you want to save time, you can start with season three. I recommend season one because they do have callbacks that go all the way to this first season. Like the, like Giselle, the, the, the frenemy ship of Giselle, and Karen is so pure and so beautiful and hilarious. It's like the best set of frenemies across all of Bravo. And every year more gets added onto it. So like you do, I think you should start from season one and you're gonna be thankful. You'll be very thankful because it's just like, they only had one dud season. He said, you're gonna be thankful. You will be.

1:12:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you'll thank us later for sure. You will be thankful. like at Mary Cosby's church you'll be thankful thank you thank you Jesus for Potomac and

1:12:14Ben Mandelker: you actually don't even know how thankful you will be because I can't wait to be thankful when you get to season 4 I think there's like a stretch from like season 4 to season 6 that's like sublime and now this current season is only two episodes and it's currently it's probably the best housewife on the earth at the moment I would actually wager to say off of two episodes we'll see if it holds up but I think it's I mean, Salt Lake City just had an iconic episode. So right now we're only thinking Salt Lake City. But, you know. What about Rhode Island? Are you in or are you out? Totally in. Totally in.

1:12:46Ben Mandelker: I was a little reluctant at first.

1:12:47Ronnie Karam: I wasn't as into it at first. It took me a minute to get into it because it seemed to me like a lot of rehearsed. Like, this is how we do Housewives. And now we're going to look. We're going to start a fight. And it was, you know, this kind of community theater like Salt Lake City was. And Salt Lake City just was so fucking funny in the beginning. And it still is. But we call them the community theater of housewives. They're always trying to remember their lines. And Whitney in the first season was literally like, can we do this again at one point? And they didn't cut it out. And I think Rhode Island is kind of that.

1:13:18Ronnie Karam: But man, by the end, I was loving it. And I fell in love with all the cast members. What do you think? I said this on Lady. Or I didn't say it. Becca said this on Lady Gang. I'm going to copy her about Rhode Island. I love Ashley. It kind of went a little viral when we clicked it. but like, so you might've heard this before, but Ashley is like, when her as a housewife is so ridiculous because you're like, she's an, these other people are so rich and she's like, I don't know about the coffee shop, but it's like, you know, you want in all Olympic sports to just have like one regular person doing the sport beside all the like champions.

1:13:56So you can just see like how fast Michael Phelps is at swimming. You know what I mean?

1:14:01Ben Mandelker: For scale. For scale. Having Ashley in the cast of A Housewives is like, oh, that's the amount of crying and sadness and uncomfortability we would normally feel. And up here is Liz with her tits, the tan. And you're like, it's actually really funny, I think, to watch her. And it's one of the only franchises that has a normie. She's fabulous, but she's pretty normal. She's selling tummy t on it. I would say that Gina and Emily are kind of normies. No, Gina, when I first met Gina, she didn't feel as normie. I only know she's normie now because she's doing real estate. And I follow her on Instagram, and I'm like, oh, and I'm calculating the commission on this house.

1:14:44And I'm like, oh, I kind of thought she was fabulous at first. Maybe I'm wrong, probably. Wow.

1:14:50Ronnie Karam: Well, Ashley was a big bachelor person. And so she's been doing this stuff for a long time, but the housewives of it all and just watching someone react like, oh, my God, you guys are like legit nuts. And you're right compared to Liz. Oh, my gosh. Liz, in her first confessional look, had medieval hair. She had like a medieval princess hair. She was holding a golden goblet. Yeah. I mean. the the guy with the boat her her husband or whatever with the boat who's best friends with the guy who got taken down for you know cartel possible cartel involvement i mean and they're just like on and she's like going to pick up her friend and she's like like driving the boat and you're just like oh my god you're so tan like you're a color of how is this a custom mix how are you this tan and i actually don't think it's a spray tan i think this is the real color so confused did i have a question you know what it's a bummer that she's not coming back i don't know how i don't know how anybody's going to recover from this you need liz on that show

1:15:54Ben Mandelker: yeah um on there's been a lot of talk that there was this big fight on real housewives ultimate girls trip at dorinda's house have you heard any any inside scoop about what this whole fight was i want to get to the bottom of it oh i did people are saying you did aaron and dorinda fighting

1:16:12Ronnie Karam: yeah i've heard uh i saw a clip of dolores talking about it with tamra basically dorinda is giving this big speech and aaron said something like okay come on because dorinda was just going on and on and then dorinda told her off at the the fireworks thing at girls trip and dorinda did not i can imagine dorinda did dorinda did like that oh this is she's not going to take that from a new Real Housewives of New York chick oh no way and wait is it yeah oh yeah you're right also by the way Kelsey's our guest we keep talking over her no I love it I'm just I'm here pondering and I'm like it's it's just so weird to think of Erin and Dorinda like in but you're yeah like it's like I mean it's just that's what I like about Girls Trip is like you're like these two things don't belong together yeah how do you feel about Kyle Richards doing like a

1:17:05Ben Mandelker: like a lip sync tipped tick tock with like Mauricio and her daughters. I saw that on the plane today. They were as a family lip syncing, they were passing the phone around a lip syncing. How do you feel about those sorts of things? I have a very hot take about, and I'm so glad you asked me this because I can never talk about this because Justin semester, my eco host is best friends with Kyle. Obviously he's a lady sitter. And so I can't really discuss this. No, I can't say my real thoughts, which is I think they're still in love. and I think they're going to get back together. I don't know. And I have no idea, but like, I just, I think they both had little mid, she had like a little mid, I mean, I don't want Justin to disown me, but like, I think they had a mid thing and they've been on reality TV.

1:17:52They they're distorted, but like at the end of the day, there's no one better for them than each other. You know, I can see this person saying, Marisa did a sauna themed podcast that's on E it's called hot boss. It's a great show. I don't think it's actually hot. Oh, no.

1:18:06Ronnie Karam: I'm just saying the inner sauna. No. And then, like, also, they give you the option of, like, putting the towel on your shoulders or whatever. And Mauricio is just like, lube me up. Tits out.

1:18:15Ben Mandelker: Like, it's so ridiculous. If we ever go on that, I will just be a giant towel with eyeballs. I'll tell you that right now. You're like, I'm in my sauna suit. You're not seeing this body. I don't know. I kind of want to see Kyle and Mauricio together. I don't know. I just, I love a divorce. And I'm usually like, get rid of them out to lunch. But I think they're good for each other. And I think he needed to go have his little mid-meltdown, making out with the cute girls, skiing with what's-her-face in Aspen. And then I think she needed to do what her thing was. And I think they're going to come back together.

1:18:44Because did they ever officially sign divorce papers or did they just separate it?

1:18:48Ronnie Karam: No. No. Yeah. They haven't even filed divorce papers. So, yeah, I've always kind of thought they're going to be together. I start believing it. The more you tell me a lie, the more I'll believe it. I'm very easily swayed. Well, not easily, but it's been a couple of years of this now. And I'm starting to believe it a little bit more. But in the beginning, I was like, no, no, no. I'm not buying it.

1:19:12Ben Mandelker: I think that she's in love with him still. Yes. But she also wasn't getting her needs met emotionally. And I think that he is now fully in his midlife crisis. And I don't think there's going to be any turning back for him. I think that he has love for her, but now he has seen what it's like to be Mauricio single in Los Angeles and getting booty every way. Men are so gross. And now he's going to run for measure. I think she tried to make him jealous.

1:19:40Ronnie Karam: I think she tried to make him jealous. And she was like, I can go have an affair. Look, I'm having an affair with this hot country star. Allegedly. And he's going to beg for me back. And he didn't. you know, he was like, okay, bye. And she was like, what the hell? You know? Yeah. Well, I mean, I think this is a good point that Aaron said here. It's like Kyle owns half the agency. It's much easier to just separate when you're rich, like very, very, very rich. Like what Dorit is going through is so different because it's like, there is money involved and like that money really matters. Like it really counts.

1:20:16Like who's going to get the house. And like, I think that money makes these things very easy, but I think that in relationships, you know, You just get lazy. You just get lazy. And especially a relationship in LA that's already vapid and you're around girls in booty shorts and crop tops all the time. And you can have anything you want. And fame above all. Celebrity above all. They love to go out to places to be seen. And people wanting pictures with you. And like, it just messes with you in a way where if you like then went to live in Colorado the rest of the year, you probably wouldn't be as messed up in your marriage, unfortunately.

1:20:54Like, I just think, you know, I just think it's, I think it's hard. I think marriage being in a long-term relationship is hard no matter what. And I think there's something in the water because none of these, like protect Heather and Terry at all costs. Like, do you mean?

1:21:09Ronnie Karam: I think that they'll stay together, but I think that when I see anybody together at first, it's hard for me to accept that they are breaking up or getting a divorce. It's not weird. Like even PK and Dorit, I was like, those two will make it. Of course. If I meet you married, I just expect that that's it. It's going to work. Yeah.

1:21:29Ben Mandelker: I know. It really. Heather Gay with Justin and Whitney. She was like, I thought they were a forever couple. She really was saying that. I did. So while Justin gave up like his whole career, like member, because they painted naked on the floor and then he got he got fired like, you know, and now he's going to go be like, oh, I want to run your company. And they're going to Google him and they're going to see that clip. Like, it's just it's so interesting to me. Like, I don't know. That was actually the like where it went wrong for them. Like, that was it. Because when when when there's an issue with men and their money, they lose their minds.

1:22:04Ben Mandelker: because they are like they've got all this shit that's like wired into them that they have to be the provider they have to be this or that and when that is not happening they literally short circuit and go nuts and like not saying that we have to therefore protect them and their relationship with their money but like that moment when he got fired for that on tv it's like the like no coincidence that the the marriage fell apart you know a few years later i think you are romantic. Oh my gosh.

1:22:37Ronnie Karam: I am. And it's weird because I'm not in real life at all. I don't really believe in love in real life. But on the shows, I'm like, I believe in you guys. This is all going to work out. But myself, I'm like, I don't want anybody in my house except my dog. I was going to say, I have such good gossip about Jesse Draper, but it's Mormon Wives. It's not Bravo. The other show.

1:22:59Ben Mandelker: I met Mauricio. She met him on Vanderpump Villa. So that's technically not. That's who. Oh, sorry. Lisa Vanderbilt has a show. Marciano. Is it? He was at the party we were at last year. And I didn't think it was him. Yes. I don't remember this. I did not block that man. I thought it was a good person.

1:23:20Ronnie Karam: He was dressed like an angel devil. Yes. Anyway, go ahead. Tell me. Anyway, I met him. And he, so I was like, absolutely not, Jesse. This is no, no, no, no. Thank you. I don't want this man. This man is too tan. he's like Liz he's the male version of Liz like what is this color why is this so tan and I was like this is not the guy for you like based on the tan alone this is not a brows like I'm this is not for you and then I met him and like was he wearing just a vest as his top with no shirt underneath yes but like goddamn he was he was great he was really enjoyable so kind very respectful held her purse just the way he spoke about her and I said oh you know you got the new house did you guys move in together and he goes no no no we're taking things slow and i was just like i mean you're not on the internet but i don't know just the way he spoke you can you think it's a lot i'm telling you

1:24:10Ben Mandelker: this right now having met a lot of these awful monsters on in real life like we met we met jacks taylor he crashed our show once we've met so many awful people and they know how to be charismatic and to win you over and and make you feel like you know what that's just a character on tv and like It happens time and time again. It happened to me with Jax. Yeah. You know. So Jax crashed our show, and he was giving us the business, but he was ultimately friendly, and he was nice, and he was charming. There's still monsters, and I fall for it all the time. This is my thing. I always fall for it. But when you say that Marciano was actually surprisingly very nice, it's like - I really enjoyed him.

1:24:53Yeah, because he knows he has to be. I really enjoyed him. I know, but it really felt real. But also, you know what? You're right.

1:24:58Ben Mandelker: I don't know because I did a brand thing with Jax. This is pre the whole Britney meltdown. They were still together. And I was like, I mean, he just had a soft spot in my heart. My brother's bipolar and he was bipolar. And like, you know, yeah, he really won me over. I was like, am I in love with Jax Taylor? Am I leaving my husband for Jax Taylor? I mean, I'm not, but yeah, you're right. You're right. Oh my God, you're right. No, I got shenaggled. I don't watch a boat. Okay. That's where I... Because I worked on a cruise ship as a kid.

1:25:38Ronnie Karam: Oh, wow. What did you think of the new Lisa Vanderpump show? Have you watched it, the screeners or whatever? I haven't seen this new season. Okay, it's just the one in the hotel, the Vanderpump Hotel. Oh, I haven't seen Vanderpump Hotel. It's like a three-episode thing. Yeah, interesting. I mean, I'll tell you, I went to that hotel where Lisa's garden is or whatever the restaurant and I was doing a work thing. I was interviewing Mariah Carey, weirdly enough, in that hotel. And I was waiting. Yeah, I was waiting in the lobby and like waiting for my time to be. And I was just kind of walking around.

1:26:10The place was dead. D-E-D. Not a person inside. I turned the corner. There is a line outside the Vanderpump restaurant of people waiting to get in. It was like three o 'clock in the afternoon, the hottest place. So I think this could be good for her. I don't know. I mean, I just, to be honest with you, we have a lot of shows on Bravo right now. And I'm mostly disappointed that we didn't get the Real Housewives of Austin like we deserved. Because that cast was insane. I can't believe we didn't get that.

1:26:39Ronnie Karam: And I was so proud of myself for being here and hearing gossip about it. And being, oh, they got the coach's wife from UT. And I knew all this. Wasn't Becca on that or something? Yes. I just saw that Becca was one of the cast members Christie Romero or whatever came out and then said Becca was ruthless and I was like yes and that is why you should have had Real Housewives of Austin and I think it's weird because I think they're doing like something about swingers in Austin instead and I was like you guys really missed out because Austin is the new Hollywood that's where all the celebrities are and it was a crazy time they're doing a show in Bernie which is a little town it's like it's a little very fancy high end little town outside austin and so i guess they chose that over i had just heard their swingers from the same interview you're referencing right now i didn't know that they were swingers i hadn't heard that yet yeah oh i was it swingers or yeah there's something yeah she said they're swingers i did she did right yeah it's something because i remember when becca was talking to us about it she was like oh yeah i'm like we'll see And then it came back and they're like, oh, they want something more.

1:27:52I don't know. Like it's she's like, you know, is the reality television space is so competitive now that, you know, when I think when you see Hulu having such success with like Mormon wives, which is outrating the Kardashians at this point, you know, and all this drama that you're like, oh, we need something with like a really crazy hook. We're just being like rich and fabulous and cunty is not enough anymore. You know?

1:28:18Ben Mandelker: Right. I don't know. Yeah. And I also hear that like producers are very eager in like finding the next new geographical spot, which is why I think one of the reasons why we wound up with Rhode Island. I mean, obviously Rhode Island is like, oh, we don't have New Jersey right now. So here's some other Italian Americans. And so here's, but like, there's also an element of like, wow, Rhode Island. And when Salt Lake City came out, it was like, oh, we did not expect the next Housewives to be in Salt Lake City. So maybe Austin's too expected. Maybe they're going to come out with some – the next Housewives are going to do in just like Baton Rouge.

1:28:49Ben Mandelker: And he'll be like, whoa, I was not expecting that. Yeah.

1:28:52Ronnie Karam: But you said they all hated you? Oh, it was like – I remember Becca being in just like making the pilot. And she was like, oh, God, if this goes, it's going to kill me because it's like really. It was quite – you know. I mean, you have a lot of very powerful, like the girl that sold Poppy. She's a billionaire. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Interesting. It was an interesting cast. Also, you know what they need to do is like the Real Housewives of Indianapolis. You know what I mean? If you want to really take us to a geographical place, take us somewhere where it's like so unexpected.

1:29:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. And I'd be down with that, you know? You know? But, yeah. Real Housewives of, like, you know, Arkansas. I don't know.

1:29:39Ronnie Karam: I say Real Housewives of El Paso. That's where I'm from, El Paso, Texas. Right? Give those girls a shot. I mean, Texas is great. Yeah, I feel like Texas is great. I'm disappointed that we never got a Canadian Housewives that really worked. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I think they had Toronto for a second, but it didn't really work. I was shocked how mean the first one was. Oh, my gosh. The first Canadian one. I was like, oh, my. I know. Was it Vancouver? I think Vancouver was the first one, right? Yeah, Vancouver's rich too. Rich. Oh, yes, they were rich, rich. All right, you guys.

1:30:15Ben Mandelker: It's time to wrap it up. I was just going to say lastly, you would think maybe like a Seattle or San Jose or something with the wives of tech bros, I'm sure it would be wild.

1:30:23Ronnie Karam: That was rumored for a while, like a Palo Alto type housewives. It's so hard because they're so rich. like yeah they really don't need the money like there is a group it's so funny um a group of friends that i have kind of on the upper east side of manhattan they get asked to do housewives or like a version of reality show every year like multiple times a year because they are the real like housewives of new york these girls are like they are rich they're fabulous they're out every night like crazy and they're like why would i do that it would ruin my life you know and like that's real F you money when you're like, no, I'm good.

1:31:01I'll just host the gala.

1:31:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah. It needs to be fame hungry. You know, you need to get, you need to be fame hungry, not money hungry. All right, Kelsey, thank you so much for being here for so long. This was sorry. I talked about myself so much, everyone. No, I mean, listen, we had you on here to talk about your book and you were hilarious and also really good advice. So go get Kelsey's book, the fuck them theory uh also check her out on tour the evil genius tour check out her podcast lady gang which i can't believe i called girl gang idiot um and co-hosting red carpets on everywhere turn on anything or read anything and you will see kelty night thank you can't get rid

1:31:46Ben Mandelker: of me you won over you won over alvi thank god putting your hand thank you god you know what i I was here to sell one book tonight, and Alty is getting it, and it was great. It was great to see you guys. I'll see you soon.

1:32:02Ronnie Karam: Fantastic. Good night. Thanks so much. We'll see you later, Kelty. The fuck them theory. Kelty night. Farewell. You can't get rid of me. Bye.

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