#3589 RHOC S20E16 Part One: What Ever Happened to Harajuku Jane?

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0:59Ronnie Karam: My office needs a new rug, and I'm scared of picking the wrong color and then having to look at my mistake every single day. That is the worst.

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1:15Ronnie Karam: So I just took the samples and I put them in my office, and I've been doing laps with them. Morning light, lamp light next to the couch, away from the couch.

1:23Ben Mandelker: It's like you're hosting a reunion, Ronnie.

1:25Ronnie Karam: I was sure it was going to be the Paula that I loved. And then I thought, no, I think it's going to be the Claudia. I think the Claudia is going to win.

1:33Ben Mandelker: I was really hoping the Ariana would win for you, mainly just because of Ariana.

1:37Ronnie Karam: Well, the Claudia looks like it's been there for years. I didn't even have the Ariana on my short list. Now I'm going to need to add that one in there and start this all over again. Thanks.

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2:19Ben Mandelker: Watch what happens when there's so much that happens.

2:49Ronnie Karam: people leaving the house thing. So I even got a library card. What do you think of that? I love that.

2:54Ben Mandelker: I love that. I love that for you. I love your library card. Look at you being a good civic minded person today,

3:02Ronnie Karam: doing all the things. That's great. Well, my sister was like, why are you paying for all these books? You should have a library card. And she told me how to do it. You get the Libby app, whatever. So I got the library card and then I came home. By the way, I think those librarians are very judgy and I wanted to sit with them. I came in, they were like laughing together. And I was like, hi. And they're like, kind of like looked at me. And then they got really serious while I was there. And then when I, the second I was like, bye, they started laughing again. I was like, what the hell? Also, can I sit with you?

3:36Ronnie Karam: I want to do the librarian podcast where you just sit there and judge everybody. I wanted to know what they said about me.

3:42Ben Mandelker: They are judgy. I'm friends with two librarians. Shout out Katie and Sarah. and they're always like this person came into the library today and they're ridiculous and this person and this person they they have so much library tea at all times uh there are two different libraries i'd like to point out um but uh the other thing is i i i i love the library i love the concept of the library i love that you got a library card i recently got a library card I literally have a library, like, probably about, I'm gonna say, 360 seconds away, walking from where I live. And I go, zero times! Zero times! I don't know what's wrong with me.

4:25Ben Mandelker: Why don't I go to the library? It's such a great thing, it's a great concept, it's a great place, and why don't I go? I'm so lazy.

4:33Ronnie Karam: So well, the last time I went, I was years ago. I mean, it was like 15 years ago or something. And I forgot to return the book that, of course, I never read. And then it was like$75 or something. And then I was like, whatever. And then they sent me to a credit collection. You know, I didn't really mature until I was in my mid 40s. in any way. And I was like, I'm never going to the library again. But of course, you know, I read tons of books. So I went to the library and then I signed up on the Libby app and did all of that. And then I went to pick out a book and it told me 12 week wait. And I was like, oh no, no, that's not going to work.

5:10Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah, that's not going to work.

5:12Ben Mandelker: Right. It's so funny because yesterday I was driving by that library that's near me. And for whatever reason, it was like everyone wanted to go to the library at 3 p.m. yesterday and there was a full-on traffic jam and I was stuck, like stuck on the road. Like I couldn't get around all these people that were trying to turn into the tiny library parking lot. And I was like, fuck this library. But then now today I'm like, yes, support libraries, but we should. And by the way, something that people don't know is that you can actually get cookbooks at libraries. And that's a really good way if you want to sample a cookbook.

5:45Ronnie Karam: By the way, we're not being sponsored by libraries. It's just what I wanted to do today. So the point is we're here to talk about Bravo, which is the furthest thing from reading that you can get.

5:56Ben Mandelker: It's going to be a Gina-centric episode of Real Housewives of Orange County, so we have to balance it out by encouraging people to read and do something productive with their lives. Truly.

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6:47Ronnie Karam: So join us for that. Also, check out Ben's new-ish. I'm saying new-ish because you're kind of an old pro with that. New show, What's Your Order, on our YouTube channel. This week has Ms. Lara Shanehalls from The Sup Podcast.

7:04Ben Mandelker: Yes, Sexy Unique Podcast. Yeah, it was great. And I filmed with Kempire. And I'm going to be on Kempire's show, and then Kempire's coming on to What's Your Order. I have to start editing it, but it'll be up next week. It's a big topic. It's going to be top five biggest Bravo feuds of all time. And I know people will already be mad because there was one that I really thought was going to make it to the top five. Did not make it to the top five. So I know that people will have things to say. So keep an eye out for that one.

7:34Ronnie Karam: Okay. Right on. You're going to start a feud over the biggest feuds. And that's how it goes. Yeah. I wanted to ask you this. I know people are here for an Orange County recap, but I don't care. I mean, I do care. But it's Friday, and we've been talking a lot. And I just really have to share this. This one does have to do with Bravo, though, everybody. So be patient, okay? Bravo just announced a bunch of stuff because they're having FanFest coming up. So they are announcing stuff to coincide with that. Like Southern Hospitality was renewed. Great. Woo-hoo. Without Love-Up. Next Gen Atlanta was confirmed.

8:12Ronnie Karam: They are going to be shooting a Next Gen Atlanta edition. also yay. Then they announced this new micro drama they have coming out. Did you see this? Yes.

8:25Ben Mandelker: This is the weirdest. This is gold. In the City is coming back. New York City is filming. Next Gen Atlanta confirmed. Southern Hospitality Season 5 without Leva is confirmed. And then Charmed by a Southern Monster and it's a micro drama and it's starring Craig Conover and someone else. and it looks very much like a romance novel. Craig is flaunting his body. Southern Monster, so so far there's accuracy. That's for sure. But it's a micro drama. I guess they know they can get away with this because I can't imagine Craig being very good at this, but then micro dramas are known for having really bad actors and performances.

9:08Ronnie Karam: Craig's acting? Craig's going to be acting on Bravo. I am dead. Even in minute increments. I can't wait. Listen to this description. Peacock's first Bravo original scripted microdrama, charmed by a southern monster, launches November 9th, blah, blah, blah, starring Craig Conover as Hunter Caldwell and Nicole Maddox as Maeve Marchant. The series, it's misspelled, guys, come on, blends soapy romance, workplace rivalry, and small town mystery. The story follows Maeve. I guess it should be Patricia instead of Lisa Vanderpump. The story follows Maeve, a brilliant corporate fixer sent to convince and seduce Hunter, a rumored murderer, into selling his family's estate.

9:58Ronnie Karam: I can't. And I cannot wait for this. I was almost offended when I saw it for some reason because it's like shirtless Craig. He's like, hey, me and Craig. And I was like, no, no. But then I thought about it. and i think i'm more excited for this than anything in the next few months no i don't know and i feel

10:19Ben Mandelker: bad for all the people on bravo who are actually actors and actresses who are watching them chase down you know opportunities but between drew sadora and shamia and whoever else is on beverly hills at any given moment kyle richards herself like they have all these people who actually who actually can act or at least know the process of it and Craig is the one that they decide to base it around? I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that.

10:47Ronnie Karam: This shit looks hilarious. I can't wait. Okay, so let's go to Real Housewives of Orange County, Season 20, Episode 16. You thought it was over? No. Next week is going to be over. But this is kind of a season finale in a way. It's not over next week.

11:04Ben Mandelker: they didn't say next week on the season finale they just said next week oh my gosh

11:11Ronnie Karam: it needs a rest this poor show it's really it's trying you know it's trying I'm still I'm still entertained but um I'm like okay it's over now is it over now is it over now and then they keep doing the season ending things like Gina's so happy Emily's doing better in her marriage so I thought surely this is gonna be it no

11:33Ben Mandelker: well hopefully hopefully hopefully next week is it but um i don't i don't believe i heard next week on the season finale they just said next week oh darn i just kind of every now and then that happens though where they just say next week and it turns out it is the season finale so you never know but it does feel like what do they have left to talk about you know in fact actually i was a little upset because i thought this episode to talk about gina spending too much I actually found that to be really entertaining because what we have dealt with for seasons on this show is Gina usually going up to Emily and being gossipy about someone else's personal life and being like, I just feel bad.

12:17Ben Mandelker: She's spending a lot. How is Jen able to go to Vegas? She doesn't have a job. She can't pay a rent. How is Shannon paying for this taco party? Does she have even the money? with it always just like a little there's like a little nattering gnat and then finally someone decides you know what let's talk about gina's personal life a little bit and guess what the moment it happens she flips out and the only reason why it hasn't happened sooner is because it's too boring so no one even wants to talk about it but finally someone said okay fine let's talk about gina's spending and boom she cannot handle it yeah i loved it so uh here we

12:57Ronnie Karam: Here we are, we are still in Tokyo. Vicky is, I'm empty, I'm empty, I can't talk anymore. After my horrible fight with Tamara last week, about the same thing we've been fighting about for 15 years. I'm exhausted, I'm exhausted.

13:14Ben Mandelker: I don't even know what happened. Tamara's like, well then why do you wanna talk about it? It's the most painful thing I've ever experienced in my entire life. It's basically like we're seeing previouslys, previouslys but they're like um they're mixed in with flashbacks um so well it's like with current stuff it's when sometimes they do a previously on orange county and sometimes they just have a scene and then the scene is mixed in with the previously so that's what's going on here

13:38Ronnie Karam: yeah um so their fight basically for those who don't remember is vicky said on her podcast a long time ago that it's tamra's own fault that her daughter won't speak to her and then tamra got revenge by saying, oh yeah, ask if, ask if Brianna's talking to her. Both of your kids probably hate you. And listen, I say that as someone who's watched you for a very long time and puts myself in your kid's position and thinks, wow, I would hate them if I were, if I were their kids. So, you know, to be fair, you're both right. You're both wrong for saying mean things about other, you know about your friend's relationship with their kids but you're also both right and how often do you get to say that on orange county see yeah um then we go over to uh after this like

14:30Ben Mandelker: previously thing it's mainly just flashbacks uh we go to gina and emily's room and gina's like last night was weird like i understand that vicky and tam are fighting but like i don't want to bring all the bullshit from orange county to japan i'm like it's a little late for that ma 'am

14:46Ronnie Karam: Yeah, as you started every fight You and Emily Started every fucking fight Not only this season, but since you've been here And so ham-fistedly As well And Emily's like, come up with any kind of resolution I don't know, I was just trying to make Some sushi That's all I was thinking about

15:06Ben Mandelker: This is very classic, Gina, too Which is like, I'm just staying out of it I've just been in the mix of all this bullshit for so long I'm just trying to keep my head down Meanwhile, earlier in the day, isn't it weird, Shannon, that Vicky didn't say that you're like her best friend, but you said you're her best friend? Isn't it weird that she would say that? It's like, all you do is push the Trace of Megas into war, and then you're like, oh my God, like, they're always fighting. I'm just gonna focus on my sushi.

15:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah. That's how these two roll. But now, Gina is, oh, no pun intended. But now Gina is giving us her new personality trait, which is, I love shopping. I just love to shop. That's me. Gina loves to shop. Girl, I know, but we can't spend our whole day in the Dollar Tree.

15:54Ben Mandelker: I know, exactly. I mean, I like Daiso as much as everyone else, but we don't need to see you in there all day long in Japan.

16:03Ronnie Karam: That onion is only going to last you one day. I'm telling you that right now. Okay. Someone who shops at the Dollar Tree. I know. I do have to say, even though we're complaining about this season needing to end, even an episode like this gives us a line that I'm never gonna forget. Like this one. I was never poor!

16:24Ben Mandelker: Loved it. That was my favorite part of the episode. And the fact that it was just sort of like a small moment in the middle, I was like, why have we not built the entire episode around this? But furthermore, why was this not like a storyline for the whole season? Like, I actually think this would have been a hilarious and interesting storyline of Gina, like spending beyond her means because she's so judgy and gossipy about how everyone else spends their money. And I even I looked it up. I was like, I'm like, I could swear Gina has counted other people's money many times before. And it was like, yeah.

16:59Ben Mandelker: So I did a search on Google and Google said, yes, it happened in season 20 when Gina was questioning whether or not Shannon Medora could afford all the decorations for some sort of party. And I'm like, season 20, we're in season 20. You mean she actually has already done the thing that she is furious about this season? Assuming Google was right, which it may not be.

17:26Ronnie Karam: um so then we go to heather she's in the hotel gym and she's on a walkie thing and it has a big screen she's like oh okay international language international people okay okay

17:43Ben Mandelker: look at me being relatable getting onto an elliptical machine and understanding the interface of how one presses buttons.

17:51Ronnie Karam: And it has an example of a lady walking on the treadmill saying, I've worked with her. I've worked with her. She's very good with body movement.

18:02Ben Mandelker: Shannon then FaceTimes Archie, which is sad. And Archie is just, you know, Archie's not well. And Claire, who is Shannon's assistant, says that he's doing okay, but he's low energy. So I feel like they are setting us up for the really sad Archie moment. And I feel like it's going to come next week when they get back. No. I know. I'm sorry. I think it's going to happen. No, I'm not watching it then. Yeah, it's going to be hard for everyone.

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22:14Ben Mandelker: Application times may vary. Rates may vary. Then, um, now the ladies all get into their van, and Tamara's like, huh, I'm a little worried that I might have to poop. And then, um, in another van, Heather says, So, Tamara and Vicky are together in the other car. It's just very bizarre. Very bizarre.

22:41Ronnie Karam: Hey, Vicky, how's your name? Well, I took the brace off and Muddy's fine. Muddy's fine. I had Epsom salt. Epsom. That went in the tub with Epsom salt. And she tells us when Tamara sobers up, she acts like nothing's wrong the next day. But I don't forget. I do not forget. But I want to have a final happy day in Tokyo. So I just want to move on. I just want to just get me up and just get it over with.

23:05Ben Mandelker: So, everyone, I guess we are going to the Harajuku area. Harajuku, which you may know from my good friend who I'm not friends with yet, but will be at some point, I'm sure. Gwen Stefani in her songs from the 2000s. Harajuku. Harajuku girls, remember? Anyway, this is where these vintage shops are.

23:25Ronnie Karam: I used to love to listen to Gwen's song. If I were a rich man, booty booty, because I would always call back. I am.

23:39Ben Mandelker: Ah, no doubt. No doubt was my favorite band because I always have no doubt that I will always be wealthier than Gina.

23:48Ronnie Karam: And Gwen Stefani, probably. So we go to Tamara's van And Shannon's like Well I heard in Tokyo People don't hold on to Old things This whole town is like one giant David Bedore So Let's just line up a fresh lot Wherever we're gonna go Next

24:12Ben Mandelker: Sounds like Japan would not like this show So Shannon's like Yeah they don't hold on to old things So let's just say that they have a Birkin bag and a new one comes out. They get rid of the old one. What? Can you believe it? They just went in, went out.

24:28Ronnie Karam: I don't think that's what that means, though. Don't hold on to things that no longer serve you. That means always have a new Birkin.

24:38Ben Mandelker: Birkin's for the poor. That's what I say.

24:44So Heather's like, look, I'm not a vintage person.

24:48Ben Mandelker: and I don't really like other people's energy on things. Yeah, she is not. She's like browsing through the things. She's like, ew, gross. This feels like, mm. What is this fabric? This is poor person. Is this servant? I think this is servant, yes. Feels like servant.

25:07Ronnie Karam: Chanel, mm, sounds poor. No, no. She was like disgusted with this vintage shop that they go into. And she explains it to us. because a lot of us are like, how dare you, fucking snob? So she softens it. She's like, I just don't want my bag to come with baggage. Maybe vintage could come with a tag, like this was a lovely person who fostered puppies. You wouldn't still buy that bag if it was a good person bag. If the good person was also poor, you would not buy that. Come on.

25:44Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she's not. Since when is Heather all woo-woo and cares about energy that's that's a new one for me but it makes sense as she does seem to tear down every house she goes into and rebuild um she's like teresa i don't like i don't like to live in a youth house so um they're they're shopping and um looking at the price tags and everything and you know something is like 2600 and and gina's like yeah like the price is actually like really good here like i love prada and so she's like she gets like a handbag area and she's just like in a like charlie the chocolate factory just running around like crazy yeah gina just reminds me of people i don't know like on the subway who wear big plastic cc earrings

26:33Ronnie Karam: you're like yeah we're on the subway together like who are you kidding those are clearly plastic Okay I don't know Gina's just one of those I think this stuff is reserved for when you have Like a zillion dollars And it just doesn't matter I can't It makes me nervous seeing people who aren't super One, look, I watch Housewives So it's a regular feeling that I have Where I'm just like Aren't there better things to be buying? There are hungry people in the world That Gina's going for her $10 ,000 purse that used to be$20 ,000. I care about hunger. That's what I care about.

27:17Ben Mandelker: Well, guess what? Juno says, this is my month of fucking Super Bowl, okay? I'm in it to win it. I came to Japan to shop. And to eat also, but mainly to shop, because I like shopping now. It's my new personality trait that started out of this episode, the second or third, the last episode of the season. And Emily's like, okay, well, by the way, Shannon tell us what happened last night cuz we went to bed so Shannon says oh well we went back to the suite and then Tamra was drinking out of a bottle of champagne and then we see we see we see Tamra like in her like newscaster hair like lying on on the sofa and she's like picks up a bottle and she's like oh

28:03Ronnie Karam: Okay, well, someone who hates drama and is so sick of drama, does Vicky know that Tamara's been telling people that Vicky's not talking to Brianna? She's like, oh, no. Well, Tamara told me last night. She said that she regretted saying this, and then we see a clip of Tamara being like, you know, I do kind of regret telling people that Brianna doesn't speak to Vicky. So funny.

28:29Ben Mandelker: but i just hate that entire question by emily does does vicky know that tamra has been telling people that vicky's not talking to brianna like it's so emily like have we spread spread this piece of gossip have we gotten these two people mad at each other again it's like it's so transparent you know what she said she's going to do you'd see her like getting ready to go tell someone else something it's just like it's exhausting with her and gina and the way that they seem to almost like enshroud themselves like they're actually doing a service like this is what friends do we're honest with each other and they shouldn't be holding this back and then i'm like shut the up and go away it's so i'm like it's just it's just so bad at it like i want subtlety this is

29:13Ronnie Karam: an art and this show is just so bad with the art i mean watch tamra do it tamra's better at it you know she's not does it just she's not incredibly subtle either but at least she's funny you know And these two come on. And people keep saying year after year, well, they're moving the drama forward. The show should not need that. You should have people who are super offended about anything anyway. And you're not moving drama forward by constantly bringing up shit. Nobody cares about that happened five years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago. Trust me, Vicky will be offensive in her own way. Just give her a minute.

29:48Ronnie Karam: You'll find something new to be offended about.

29:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah, when Tamara does it, there's almost like a wink to the audience, like, let's meet you this. But like with Emily and Gina, they are kind of sanctimonious. It's like, I just think that you should know this because if you guys are friends, then why are you being hypocritical about this or that? They take like, they always take a stance about hypocrisy and bullshit. And it's just like, it's exhausting. And it's like not fun to watch. And you're 100 % right. Yes. You know, we've, I think, given allowances to both of them saying, well, you know, they're kind of boring but you know they're trying at least they're trying to serve the pot they're trying to move it along but yeah the show should be able to sort of operate on its own without people having to be so blatantly sweaty about getting the storyline moving yeah and gina's

30:35Ronnie Karam: like well she wants to make it better but then she said something she shouldn't have this is what they do it's so frustrating like i don't even want to participate anymore i don't even want to participate okay so is emily down there tattletaling so that there's a problem later

30:50Ben Mandelker: yeah god amazingly by the way we don't see emily tattletale to vicky that tamra said this maybe it happened we didn't see it but like you know what happens is essentially emily asks that question then everyone knows there's a ticking clock like okay i gotta handle this because otherwise emily's gonna get involved so downstairs tamra is like so what's gina doing upstairs what's she buying And Jen's like, well, I think Gina's living for it, I'm sure. This is so exciting, being here in, where are we exactly anyway? We're in Japan! Oh, yes, oh, very, this is lovely, lovely mall. And so they're just saying how Gina loves fashion these days.

31:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, she's just come into high-end fashion, you know, and she's elevating herself, and I appreciate that. You know, thank Gina so much, you know, for just showing everybody that you can just elevate yourself like that. And, you know, but they're saying it in a way like Oh, why is Gina shopping so much? So we go to another store And Gina's like, oh my god I really wanted the Prada nylon And they bought the Prada nylon Oh my god, you're coming to live with me My little Prada nylon I love tiny backpacks That's another thing about me I love shopping and tiny backpacks And then they show the backpacks she's looking at And they're not tiny at all They're just normal sized backpacks They're normal

32:06Ben Mandelker: I love a backpack that's like a casita But like in backpack form And then Shannon is like Okay well let's be fiscally responsible I'm saying this as someone Who has to cut back on her salmon and cream cheese budget Because Vicky told me so I'm so happy about that And Gina's like I don't think I want to be fiscally responsible

32:26Ronnie Karam: Yeah so then we cut back to the other ladies talking And Heather's like Oh well I do love this for Gina Getting to shop but I do get a little worried sometimes. Oh, yeah. She hasn't been in real estate that long. How come there's ups and downs in real estate? You know, look at me. I was a real estate agent for one season. I know. I know how it goes.

32:49Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously. Well, every show I did, there were always some people, the moment they got a gig, they just bought a Porsche and a big TV, a new line of wigs, Wendy Malick. You know, it just happens over and over and over again. And it's just so sad because then, for instance, in the case of Wendy Malick, they never work again.

33:13Ronnie Karam: I mean, who do you think Natalie from Facts of Life is calling to, you know, get an oil change on that Porsche she can no longer afford? Hello.

33:23Ben Mandelker: Hello. Marita Conchita Alonso? Okay, more like Maria can cheat her way through her taxes, but she's going to have to pay money on all the things she buys because she's not working. I was in the Groundlings. I was in the Groundlings. Alfredo, thank you. Thank you.

33:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but only time you're on a commission-based income, taxes come up, and then the next sale, maybe it won't come. And then the market could crash, and she just got six kids who aren't even in college yet. Or have their own rooms, by the way. Yeah. And this is...

33:59Ronnie Karam: I still imagine Gina kids all like sharing a sleeping bag in a living room, you know? Yeah. I know. And Heather's like... Maybe we need an update on Gina's house because I really have been giving her a lot of shit. Because the last one I remember, I know that she's changed living situations since, but I remember her putting up that curtain in the middle of the room and being like, okay, this is so they have privacy. and it's not even poor shaming her it's backpack shaming her it's backpack while your children are still poor like you're poor but are your children your children

34:35Ben Mandelker: it's not poor shaming it's relatively poor shaming as in compared to the rest of the cast like on a show that's about this is how the this is how like the 1 % of Orange County live like what's going on here you know i mean obviously yes she wants a divorce it's hard you getting on your own you have to rebuild we obviously we obviously know that okay and you do have to be live more modestly but like just because you live more modestly doesn't mean you have to

35:09Ronnie Karam: be so boring yeah i mean look my thing is i'm not poor shaming someone i'm mom shaming them and i know that people are more comfortable with that you're not allowed to do that

35:20Ben Mandelker: We do not mom shame as a culture Even though actually maybe we should What does Craig think I'm curtain shaming her

35:27Ronnie Karam: What does Craig Conover think He's taking this very seriously By the way I just noticed that Craig Shirtless Craig in this poster Is also holding an axe LOL I can't

35:41Ben Mandelker: Because that's what I do

35:44Ronnie Karam: Because he might be a murderer Yeah But I didn't notice the axe I was just looking at the cheekbones, but good Lord. Okay, so the point is, Tamara's like, that is irresponsible what she's doing right now. Well, okay, you know I'm not great with math. I'm an actor. But I'm thinking, you could have bought, they spent all of this money on a stylist. And Jen's like, yeah, yeah, they had this stylist. Yeah, she paid for that stylist. It was the Saddleback shoot. and Jen's like, they paid for a stylist for a local magazine? Wow. Even I'm too smart for that.

36:22Ben Mandelker: Yeah, they each paid$12 ,000 for a stylist to give them four outfits that they borrowed. $24 ,000 for a shoot? That's crazy. I could imagine like$5 ,000 total for the shoot, but$24 ,000? I mean, I don't know.

36:41Ronnie Karam: But the problem is they still show up dressed like Gina and Emily. Like, what are you paying for? And so this is where Heather's like, I don't understand math, but I think that they could have bought four$3 ,000 dresses, you know?

36:58Ben Mandelker: I mean, what do I know? I'm just the talented one, but also the smart one, too, we discovered, but maybe not the math one. So Vicky is like, I think that Gina's becoming very successful. But yes, she is much bougier than she was a couple of years ago. And no, I will not be offering her my financial services. I barely even acknowledge her.

37:21Ronnie Karam: Well, I have someone. Oh, and then we see a clip of Gina where she's like, well, I have somebody coming over once a week just to do my laundry. And I have someone cleaning my house. And I don't cook. And like, if I can pay for it to be done, then I'm doing that.

37:33Ben Mandelker: That's what everybody should do. So she has a private chef now, apparently. Well, which is maybe good because we heard that her meatballs were terrible. So Jen's like, I love Gina so much. And like, I relate to the whole struggle and I love that story of hers. And I love where she is now. And I love that we can now shame her for her spending much the way she did at the beginning of that one season where she got mad at me for not paying my rent. And even though she was not involved in that whatsoever.

38:01Ronnie Karam: Well, and the fact that Jen's even sitting there having this conversation with everybody where Jen, when she first came on the show and Heather's like, that girl's faking it. I saw her in a store, you know, looking at this$8 ,000 dress, and then she's going to return it the second, you know.

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41:00yeah they are assholes how they judge especially heather because she's so rich

41:05Ronnie Karam: so to be looking down on somebody for you know finally having five dollars is not cool but at the same time gina just had a scene a few weeks ago where her kids don't have enough room to sleep and she's like, should I have a wedding or should we give our kids more room?

41:23Ben Mandelker: They're like, a wedding! Yeah, always the wedding. I think there's just a lot of... I think they're all hypocrites on this show and they know they're hypocrites, which is why they get all on their high horses about other people being hypocrites. That's why they care about, like, she said that she spent that money but she doesn't have that money. They focus on that because they see themselves in it and, you know, Like that's that whole thing of like that we lash out about the thing that we see in ourselves. So that's why they're always trying to poke holes in these things. That's why Emily's always trying to say, does, did Tim, did, does Vicky know that Tamara said that Vicky's not talking to her daughter?

42:01Ben Mandelker: Because Emily wants to expose the fact that, that Tamara was being a hypocrite and Vicky should know that Tamara was being a hypocrite because they need to know. It's like, they're just all ridiculous. So anyway.

42:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, Jen's funny because she's like, wow. I mean, it's so bad-ass the way that she's, you know, maybe making money now. I mean, I don't even know. I can't even imagine having a job. What would I even do? But, you know, I just hope that in the change, when Gina gets money, you know, it can make you soulless. Look at Heather. Look at her. Heather's like, thank you. Thank you.

42:32Ben Mandelker: Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I am soulless. Anyway, I'm gonna go—

42:37Ronnie Karam: It costs a lot of money to have this little life behind your eyes. Okay.

42:43Ben Mandelker: Now, excuse me. I'm gonna go across the street, which I know how to do because I took an international elliptical this morning. Look at me.

42:51Ronnie Karam: Alfredo, carry me across the street.

42:54Ben Mandelker: No, I was seriously asking.

43:01Ronnie Karam: So, Gina is now trying on coats. And Vicky's like, who makes that? Put some bread to that. Luis Vuitton. She's like, I need that coat. You can get that coat and take it off right now. She's like, it's only 120. Vicky's like, hold on, let me put that in the insurance calculator. That is six months of insurance.

43:20Ben Mandelker: It's not fair. I thought this was supposed to be the men's section. You're not allowed to have that jacket. And then they all start trying to tear the jacket off of Gina, which was great. She's like, no, Vicky, I swear, I spotted it. I'm the savvy schwapper. I'll take it, bitch. So Gina's like, she's just taking a victory lap because, you know, she's had terrible fashion for all this time, and now she can actually find a nice piece of clothing. And so Vicky's like, guys, I need to sit down. My leg's about to give out. I just need to sit down. Like, okay. And then she just flops down onto the floor.

43:47Ben Mandelker: And everyone's like, Vicky! She's like, no, I'm fine. I'm fine.

43:51Ronnie Karam: I'm not dead yet. And you called this in the, I think this was even in the season preview where we see Vicky on the ground. And then it cuts to Vicky saying, I think someone pushed me. You're like, oh, I don't, I think this is just fake. She's probably going to laugh. And sure enough, we've been waiting this whole season to see who pushes Vicky down, or I have, because I wanted to know who to cheer for. You know what I mean? I was going to get a jersey with somebody's face on it once I found out who pushed Vicky. But, you know, she just fell. She's like, I just fell. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, it's me, Rocky Vicky.

44:27Ronnie Karam: I fell. Maybe I'll throw up now. Maybe I'll throw up now.

44:33Ben Mandelker: Now let's go back to Orange County and visit Carmella, who was not able to go on this trip, but luckily she's doing very exciting things like remaining in her house and rearranging something else this week. Last week was flowers, and this week is a closet. She's organizing a closet with her daughter. So let's check in, see what's going on with her.

44:54Ronnie Karam: Oh my gosh, she's another one. The fashion on Orange County, wow. Wow, it is just, it is terrible. And she's going through her closet and showing her daughter Presley stuff. and she's like presley do you want this you gonna have it she's like no ew gross okay well do you want that do you want to maybe wear this one she's like oh mom god but it's all sheCarâmana

45:19Ben Mandelker: i cannot can you can you wear it to a school you can wear it to like a pool party you know she's like yeah it would be cute it'd be like cute for that she's like do you want to borrow it you want it do you want a presley take the dolce y and gabbana you don't want to borrow you don't want to borrow it you want to borrow it you want to borrow it i'm just like oh my god why are we why are we following this lady so carmela's like how come you guys don't like anything that i like guys anyway i'm not gonna let you answer that because i feel like i'm missing tokyo you know why you feel like you're missing tokyo um i think it's because you're actively missing tokyo because you're not there so that's why you're missing it yeah so presley's going away

45:57Ronnie Karam: to school and carmela's really upset about it and i'm really trying to care but i don't so then we go back to Tokyo and the ladies are walking with shopping bags and it's Harajuku time. So they go into this Harajuku store and the employees are, you know, Harajuku girls. They're really, for those of you who don't know what they are, it's kind of like a raggedy Andy look. Like it's a lot.

46:24Ben Mandelker: I can't speak authoritatively on this is what Harajuku is, but what I do know is that it's like a style. It's like it's like very like exaggerated like makeup and you know outfits it's maximalist it's like a maximalist look um that um is like a very big deal when vicky and shannon put it on they look like

46:44Ronnie Karam: whatever happened to baby jane okay harajuku girls can pull this off not everybody can pull this off i guess is what i'm saying and this cast are six of them i know i wasn't entirely sure why

46:58Ben Mandelker: they were trying to dress like harajuku girls like speaking of gwen stefani gwen stefani has had a lot of like sort of retroactive there's been a lot of um revisiting of the gwen stefani's harajuku girls moment of like oh you're just culturally appropriating so you can sell you know albums whatever that that's been a big dialogue online discussion debate um and so So it does make you, there is something sort of, they sort of wrap this Harajuku moment on this show in like, it's actually, it's a very empowering thing. And so dressing up in Harajuku is like an empowering moment, which is fine and everything.

47:36Ben Mandelker: I just am like, I just feel like, do I need to see Tamra judge in Harajuku garb? I'm not sure. I don't know. I just, you know what it is? Cause I just kind of feel like whoever, whoever pioneered Harajuku movement many years ago, they deserve better than having the Real Housewives of Orange County come in and sully their artistic vision.

48:01Ronnie Karam: Yeah. They're like, wow, how long does it take you to look like this? I mean, look at you. They're like, it takes 22 hours. No, it takes two hours. And Vicky's like, two hours? Then you only have 22 hours in the day. How are you putting on your makeup when you're emailing? I don't know. Shannon goes, All right, now, email a Juku. That's what I want. Email a Juku. Where's that store?

48:27Ben Mandelker: Email a Juku. Question. So I'm going to pretend like I am not totally confused by this. So, lady, is this a new trend in Japan? And the lady's like, yeah, it's not a trend. It's actually a culture. Oh, it's a culture. Yeah, I knew that. Okay. Well, I've just been shamed by the lady. With the bonnet on. I'm just going to go move to this section of the store. And just cry just a little bit.

48:58Ronnie Karam: Gina's like. I honestly appreciate the cultural significance of Harajuku. And it's really nice to see. A country that appreciates Gwen Stefani.

49:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Because it like represents a breakaway from cultural norms. moms um and so she uh i'll thank you gina for that that insightful but thank you for guiding us into the world of harajuku so uh that we see five five hours earlier and um they are talking they i guess they had a session with a harajuku content creator named ali and she's like yeah the style originated here in japan but it's like a huge push and yada yada and she's like i support want that so there you hear it here first gina supports harajuku a uh a culture that was not imperiled i stand for harajuku everyone uh so now uh gina's getting dressed up and she has a doll

50:01Ronnie Karam: house strapped to her stomach um her gina's biggest choice is wearing big foofy balls in her hair. I think Gina looks the most natural in this. I believe Gina would wear this outfit. I believe that Gina would wear this outfit every day.

50:21Ben Mandelker: No. She just would have the buns, though, in her normal day.

50:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I believe that she would wear those in normal day, being like, wow, I love to show up. I love to show up. Her outfit looked the most natural. I think the most Harajuku looking at least from the examples that we see on this show are probably shannon and vicky wait shannon yeah shannon and vicky even though they don't pull it off quite so well but they're but and they're creepy twins okay so uh tamra and emily uh get to the store and tamra's like whoa i really need to rethink my outfit do not bring jina in the store i'm telling you right now do not bring She's gonna buy everything. It's all very Gina.

51:10Ben Mandelker: She's very into shopping. Has she always been like that? And Emily's like, well, I feel like she's always been stylish. Okay. I appreciate you lying for your friend. Insert laugh track.

51:28Ben Mandelker: Harajulying. So then Tamara is like, She's like well I want to I want to kind of like take this back to when I first Met her she goes I loved You to death but fashion hasn't always Been her strong point And I say this as someone who's won Five different Tammy Glow dresses At once so um She's been shown up in Prada and you know she Has the power suit and she's got the bag You know times change though so don't ever do it Girl

51:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah so Tammy's like well do you ever Get concerned about her shopping She's like, no, because she's really smart with her body. I mean, she doesn't spend it on her stupid kids, that's for sure. She's like, okay. Wait, why are you concerned for her? She's like, no, there was just some talk amongst the ladies. She's the one who moves her hands, light-heats, robot eyes.

52:16Ben Mandelker: Who brought it up? Was it Heather? So you're telling me that Heather is being judgy about Gina's lifestyle and thinks that her kids should be taken away from her? My goodness, I can't believe this is happening. No, no, I never said that. Whoa, whoa. Wait, so you're saying that Heather said that Gina's a bad mom? Wow, and that Gina should just, like, leave the state of California? You're really saying that, Tamara?

52:37Ronnie Karam: No, I didn't say that. You're saying that Gina's children should be thrown in prison for tax evasion? Wait a minute. Jeez. Look, I'm just saying, you know, it's more out of concern, because Heather was an actress, you know, like, you can look it up, and it's not on the Internet, but you can go look through a microfiche, and you can see that Heather was one time in talkies. You know, so you get your first gig and then actors go out and they buy an expensive car and they don't get a gig for a while and then you're like, oh my God, Paco, now you're going to have to take a bath.

53:12Ben Mandelker: Wait, so is Heather Dubrow equating that to Gina selling a house? So she's spending a lot of money but she's like not going to sell more houses in the future? So Heather said that Gina's a shitty real estate agent and we'll never sell another house again it's like no she's saying it's an un like real estate is unpredictable and you never know where your next paycheck is going to come from so just you know you have to be careful and but emily is being you can just see what emily's

53:42Ronnie Karam: doing i'm like oh god but we saw when tamra who had been on this show for eons was let go from the show, fired, when she was fired from the show. And then she came back to the show and she's like, well, you know, I had to get a new house in North Carolina because I'm really big here. I've been a big bear, you know, and that's why I'm motorcycle. But, you know, it's really hard because you don't have this money from the house. So she's already been through it and she gets it. She's like, don't count on this house. It has money to be forever. And then Heather, I mean, Heather knows she has been driven so many places by poor people and she has passed so many poor people as they go under freeways, she understands.

54:22Ronnie Karam: These are people who are really one of the people.

54:26Ben Mandelker: She really gets it. But also, by the way, everything that Heather said was exactly correct. And it's 100 % a realistic concern to have. Real estate is not known for being a famously stable job. job, right? Like the real estate market famously crashes time and time again. And so it's reasonable that, I don't know, like what would happen in like, here's the thing, you know, you're able to sell one of Elizabeth Vargas's mansions one year. And then I don't know what if like someone decides just to just start a war and drive prices up for every single person almost around the entire globe, just because they decided they wanted to start a war.

55:14Ben Mandelker: And now suddenly people may not want to buy houses right now. So maybe that could be an issue that could come up for Gina. I don't know, just thinking it out loud.

55:26Ronnie Karam: Being a real estate agent is kind of similar to being a housewife in a way where it's very much about appearances. And so whenever you go look at a house or something, the real estate person has a Range Rover and they're dressed to the nines and they have a bus bench you know with their their overly filtered face and stuff like that so it's interesting because she's in two professions where you it's like you've really got to keep up you know but i think overall they're just like wait you were poor five minutes

55:57Ben Mandelker: ago and you're spending too much money yeah it's like you don't know when the market's gonna crush and and by the way heather wasn't even saying it with any sort of like she should stop because you never know she was just saying like yeah all of a sudden she's buying all this luxury all these luxury items and uh you know like she's she just started she only just started to have success and i think it can go away so easily so she just has to like let's let's keep tabs on her to make sure she doesn't you know get into a hole yeah i mean i think it was shitty of them all to be

56:30Ronnie Karam: to say this stuff about gina but i don't particularly like gina and i agree with what

56:34Ben Mandelker: they're saying so i don't think it was shitty at all i don't think it was shitty i really don't think it was shitty this you know like this was the girl who was like the poster child for marshals for like years and years and then all of a sudden she's gonna start bragging about pride of this pride of that and um i don't know i i think it's reasonable to say yeah okay well she's like i hope she's not i hope she's being smart with her money right now and heather relates it from like experiences that she's had where this this can happen people get excited people say about med school a lot of people join like the first year of med school a lot of people wind up buying luxury cars.

57:09Ben Mandelker: It's like, well, I'm going to have a huge paycheck after I graduate from med school. So it's like not a crazy thing to observe. That's what I'm saying.

57:15Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're going to continue to observe it. So then Emily's like, I can't believe you guys are calling Emily a poor, terrible mother. And Tamara's like, well, she doesn't really help herself by coming out with 25 bags. So funny. I wonder if one of those can pay for, like, you know, online college at least. So Emily's, you know, pissed in Gina's honor. So then Jen's like, so Gina, after we get dressed, what are our plans? Is there, you know, do you want to buy any real estate here or any cars? Or would you just like to open windows and flick dollars at people's faces as we pass them in the street?

57:54Ronnie Karam: You're so rich now. God bless you, Gina. I'm so proud of you.

57:58Ben Mandelker: We're going to go to Shibuya Crossing. I'm hoping I can sell the land there because I'm a real estate agent now. It's like, oh, good. I've been wanting to go there. They say you can just set up a net and you just get new servants. Just have people walk right in, ship them back to Orange County.

58:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then they go back to the hotel to rest up before they leave. And Emily and Gina are, you know, relaxing. And Gina's like, oh, my God, my back hurts. Well, my, because of the shoulder pads you've been wearing all year. Or maybe the 900 bags you bought. speaking of i went to the harajuku store with tamra oh my gosh five minutes later like yeah

58:39Ben Mandelker: at least we knew oh yeah so she was saying that i guess when we were shopping heather was talking about how she's concerned about what you're spending she equated it to when she was an actress when an actress gets a gig and then they spend a bunch of money but then there's not another gig and gina's like this isn't a gig i have a business i mean it's a gig of course it's a gig each house is a gig but also heather didn't say you're not going to get another gig heather didn't say anything but emily who'd never heard it firsthand has now taken something and and exaggerated it and made it sound way worse than it was yeah you know she's gonna try and

59:23Ronnie Karam: get Heather, Emily. So Gina's like, oh, really? What's Heather's gig? Heather's gig is that she's like a hundred zillionaire. That's her gig. She just sold a house for like$80 million last year that she spent, what, 20 on? I mean, we know that Heather's rich, Gina. I mean, what's Heather's gig is crazy.

59:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So Gina's like, I mean, how much did she make from the podcast? I don't know anything about that well i make a i make a hell of a lot of money selling homes okay because there's a lot of seniors out there and they need their one bedrooms okay so i'm doing fine i'm not

59:59Ronnie Karam: irresponsible yeah no one should be concerned about me okay certainly not somebody who has no idea what it feels like to have to support herself and her children completely on her own

1:00:11Ben Mandelker: seems like it's really hit a nerve for her she goes you know if you were concerned about me and my finances maybe you should have fucking used me as your realtor now you want just want to sit back and judge me and the choices that i make and how i spend my money give me a break the old uh why didn't you use me as a realtor thing again yeah you're not my mom and you're

1:00:34Ronnie Karam: not my financial planner worry about your own business which i kind of you know i get i don't think she's i don't think she's over the line being annoyed with this but emily's well emily heard it from tamra but they were all talking about you they all feel this way and gina has

1:00:50Ben Mandelker: spent so much time talking about how other people are like she's drinking too much she's spending too money she's doing this too much i'm just i feel bad i'm concerned all this time for years doing this and now they have some casual passing thoughts on like wow gina's buying a lot of luxury Everything's out of nowhere. And now she has this totally hostile reaction to it. I'm like, give me a break.

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