#3590 RHOC S20E16 Part Two: What Ever Happened to Harajuku Jane?

0:00Ben Mandelker: Full disclosure, everyone. Ernesta sent us five rug samples and we have not been normal since.

0:05Ronnie Karam: My office needs a new rug and I'm scared of picking the wrong color and then having to look at my mistake every single day. That is the worst.

0:13Ben Mandelker: Well, guess what? What's really cool about these samples is that they are not just like little tiny chips. They're 12 by 12 squares. So you see the actual color and full size instead of just on a screen.

0:22Ronnie Karam: So I just took the samples and I put them in my office and I've been doing laps with them morning light lamp light next to the couch away from the couch.

0:30Ben Mandelker: It's like you're hosting a reunion Ronnie.

0:31Ronnie Karam: I was sure it was going to be the Paula that I loved and then I thought no I think it's going to be the Claudia. I think the Claudia is going to win.

0:40Ben Mandelker: I was really hoping the Ariana would win for you mainly just because of Ariana.

0:43Ronnie Karam: Well the Claudia looks like it's been there for years. I didn't even have the Ariana on my short list now I'm going to need to add that one in there and start this all over again. Thanks.

0:51Ben Mandelker: Well, here's the good news. When you do order your rug, it gets cut to the inch for the room. And what I like is that I'll know the color is right before I spend a dime on the rug.

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1:49Ben Mandelker: Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap, crap happens. Watch what crap is. Watch what crap is. Guess what happens when there's so much that crap happens. Guess what crap is. Watch what crap is. Guess what happens when there's so much that crap happens. Hello and welcome to Watch What Crap Is, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

2:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so now they get in their Harajuku get-ups, and Heather's like, whoa, I'm gonna be Harajuku, but Chanel! Chanel Azuku. So we see all their get-ups, and it's a lot, but it's supposed to be. And so Jen's like, are we staying outside tonight? Are we staying outside? Because it's like I used to say back when I was having Pilates classes in a parking lot. We staying outside tonight?

2:54Ben Mandelker: I'd mainly say that to Gretchen. Stay tuned. So then we go to Shannon, Vicky, and they're going to be twins. They both have these sort of like crappin's blue wigs on. And Shannon's cutting Vicky's bangs and Vicky's not happy about it. Vicky was also just had to use Shannon's floss and then it got stuck in her teeth, which is the worst. and then Heather goes to Tamron Jen's room and she goes, ooh, look at you. You're so cute. You look like Britney Spears and Abby Cadabby. I don't know who that is. Shouldn't you have to have? Britney Hill? Abby Cadabby?

3:39Ronnie Karam: I don't know who Abby Cadabby is. So then they go to Shibuya Crossing and Gina's like, we're going to Shibuya Crossing. I can't wait to view the most crowded crossing in the world It's so exciting

3:52Ben Mandelker: This is like such a cool crossing By the way, I just looked up Abbey Cadabbey Because I had no idea who Abbey Cadabbey was And Abbey Cadabbey is on Sesame Street Heather's got to be careful Because last time she made a Sesame Street reference Emily was none too pleased Snuffleupagus

4:12Ronnie Karam: Oh yeah Oh I forgot about that forgot all about that you're the one who called me self-love I was saying it because you fall asleep no you weren't I was saying it because I don't know maybe you're just part of someone's dream no you didn't

4:33Ben Mandelker: well you're just not as stylish as Abby Cadabby I'm sorry so yeah they're at Shibuya Crossing and Gina is like wow and Vicky's like oh my god I've never seen anything like this. An entire intersection of people who aren't working. Okay, why aren't these people all back in their offices? Get to work. Get to work. Get to work. Get to work.

4:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So they barely make it to the other side. The light turns green. And Vicky's like, oh, my God. I almost got killed. Oh, my God. This is so difficult. I fell. I fell. I'm going to throw up in the street. So then they go to dinner. And it's the final dinner in Tokyo. And Tamar's like, wait a minute. Is this a set menu? Oh my God. Please do not serve me raw things. I want a hamburger. I want a Friedenburger.

5:22Ben Mandelker: And then Emily looks over to, to Friedenburger. Emily looks over to Vicky and Shannon and she's like, have you guys ever seen The Shining? I feel like you're like The Shining girls, except you aged up. They're like, oh, thank you. Thank you for reminding me that I peaked when I was 13. spooking a child in a hotel.

5:45Ronnie Karam: You know, we should do, we should send Steve Gutenberg a picture of Shannon. Oh, Shannon and Steve Gutenberg. What? What?

5:55Ben Mandelker: What? No. Tamara, what? No. What? No. No, no. You're gonna say, what? No. I mean, no. Please do it. No, what? No. That's...

6:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah, cause Steve Gutenberg liked one of Shannon's reels. like oh my god so shannon tells us one day um a steve gutenberg video came on my feed and i said wow he looks like a really really nice person and then i told jeff lewis and then it turns

6:23Ben Mandelker: into a topic for one hour on jeff's radio show oh i mean do i want to be the little lady of the three men perhaps and you know he could be my he could be my fella i don't know uh we do hear this clip where I just saw that he was in a film that was based on a nickname David used to call me short circuit I just thought well is it a sign well I see he was in a film that was named after the place I told told my arresting officer he should go back to police academy

7:02oh wow steve gutenberg and the picture they're talking about there was some picture of steve

7:09Ronnie Karam: gutenberg i remember when all this was happening and steve gutenberg is ripped as fuck i don't

7:14Ben Mandelker: think i was expecting that i was like damn i assumed it was i assumed it was the video of steve gutenberg saving people during the pacific palisades fire because that was like a big moment

7:25Ronnie Karam: for him oh did he do it shirtless i'm gonna say steve one can imagine berg ripped shirtless

7:34Ben Mandelker: gutenberg was ripped okay let's do this steve i think so shirtless uh i'll do it well back in the

7:42Ronnie Karam: day any current pictures of him ripped that's so weird am i making this up uh there's one There's one screenshot of his Instagram that says, make the most out of life. It's me, Steve Gutenberg on a beach.

7:57Ben Mandelker: Then that's him shirtless. I see that. Yeah, I don't know what she saw, but I'm just going to assume it was something very inspiring. So anyway, she has a crush on Steve Gutenberg, which is the most important part. And we see Jeff tormenting her like, So, Shannon, what if we send you to Steve Gutenberg's house in a bikini? Jeff, stop it! What? How? What? No, no, no, no, I fantasize about it every day, but no, please, please, no, Jeff, stop.

8:32Ronnie Karam: And now Steve Gutenberg thinks I'm out for him, which is crazy. I mean, these Instagram messages, I don't know where he would get this impression. Steve Gutenberg, God, you're beautiful, you're a beautiful man. I would love to have you over. Steve Gutenberg, I'm sorry I keep calling you Steve Gutenberg, but I just left your name. It just rolls off the tongue. Steve Gutenberg, Steve Gutenberg, Steve Gutenberg. Steve Gutenberg, have you ever seen our names in cursive next to each other? Here's what they look like, screenshot. Steve Gutenberg, do me.

9:00Ben Mandelker: Whoops, I was drunk on that one.

9:06Yeah.

9:07Ben Mandelker: So then Shannon's like, Shannon says, so Jen, what happened to your other earring? I have an interest in this. And Tammy's like, It's our friendship. It's on my ear, too. We both are on earring. Like, one earring's on her, one's on me. Because we're not friends, but earring friends.

9:26Ronnie Karam: We're so close, me and Jen. Even in the crossing, we took a picture. It's just me and Jen together because we're such close friends. Does everybody remember? Sorry, Heather. Sorry, Heather thought she had a friend, but she's really not a friend.

9:42Ben Mandelker: Oh, well, have you learned anything new about each other in this new friendship? Yes. She takes that three baths of showers a day. John's like, I do. It's true. I do. I take baths. That way I can forget all the terrible things you did to me for the past two years. Yeah.

10:00Ronnie Karam: I'm just trying to wash off your toxicity. It feels good. It feels good. Thank you, Tamara, for covering me in negative energy so that I can take three baths a day. Well, I'm really happy that they're getting along. I think it's great. And I said to Jen, I wanted a buddy in the group. And I thought that buddy was going to be Jen, but not so fast. Then I thought maybe it would be Carmela. Nope, not here. So I think I'm done with the buddy system. I can hold my own hand. God, my hands are bony. God, they're bony.

10:32Ben Mandelker: Heather, you're not going to find a buddy with this group. Heather has to bring on her own buddy, but she's never going to. Not with this group. It's just, you're in two different worlds. Just two different worlds. So, Tamara's saying how, like, Oh my God, yeah, Jed loves to take a bath. We got at midnight last night, and there she was in my bath. She was naked, taking a bath. You're talking to me. Isn't that crazy? We're best friends.

10:58Ronnie Karam: Well, Shannon and I have shared rooms, and we're not going to run naked. That is disgusting. That is gay. That is gay. Prepare to burn in hell. You are burning hell.

11:09Ben Mandelker: Well, you guys have been on a lot of trips together. A lot of trips. Yeah, and by the way, this one has been incredible, and you can tell by the lilting sound of this compliment that I'm about to turn into a flight.

11:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, Heather's like, well, this ended on a high. A high for Jen and Tamara's friendship. A low for poor, sad, holding her own hand, Heather. Yeah, well, it almost ended on a high for me, because I had a great day shopping, because I'm wealthy. And then I heard that you had some concern about the things I was buying and how I was spending my money. Hello? Hello?

11:45Ben Mandelker: But it was a conversation that we all had, bitch. And Gina's like, well, but I heard that you equated it to something about being an actress and getting a gig, but, like, not knowing where your next gig is going to come from. So, please answer for that. Thank you.

11:59Ronnie Karam: What I was saying was, when I was younger, people would start to make big money, and then I would see them buy things and do things thinking it would go on forever. And it didn't. They ended up being poor and non-famous. Like my dear friend Reba McIntyre. How will she even eat this winter?

12:24Ben Mandelker: She really lives up to the name McIntyre. She has a laptop that she got stuck in a tire. That's her existence now.

12:32Ronnie Karam: You know, she had a sitcom about working in a bar recently. It was two episodes. unhappiest place now guess where she is probably working in a bar if you could only see chrissy

12:46Ben Mandelker: mcnichol and what she drives now am i right so then gina's like well that's not my experience so your experience is that like when you have wealth it um it just stays is that why is that why we we saw you hanging that curtain in between your in your kid's room because you you kept off held on to all that wealth so gina's like you know what it's like coming from a place of judgment and i feel like it's giving superiority complex thank you thank you thank you for acknowledging that i am superior and i am complex she wants to single me out but sometimes i think with gina she

13:26Ronnie Karam: just wants to have a problem with me she's looking to have a problem with me i'm the person who brought her 20 different of the exact same pink leather jacket to try on when she was still trying to sell a bridal gown out of her under the stairs attic well why is there a conversation about how

13:46Ben Mandelker: i spend my money and this is where bravo fails us because there should have been a montage of gina talking about how other people spend their money i know maybe even like you can tie in carmella wanting to pay Jen$30 ,000 and her being like, that's weird, or whatever it was. Like, just having so many opinions on people's money and lifestyles and now all of a sudden saying, well, why is there a conversation about how I spend my money?

14:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so Jen's like, well, literally, Heather's words were like, it's so awesome to see you thriving. It really is. And then I chimed in and said, you know one thing I love about Gina? The price tag's on the back of her outfit. You know, they're always about$5.99, which, you know, is reachable. Thank you for being such a reachable goal, Gina. Thank you so much.

14:35Ben Mandelker: Yeah, you know, I love that she represents H &M in our group. It's time for a commercial.

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17:32Ronnie Karam: I'm sick of things stressing me out. The other day I was running late and nearly ran over an armadillo. I felt so bad.

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18:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the feeling I chase is dark and moody. That's why I go towards crime shows.

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18:22Ronnie Karam: Snacks are a part of the feeling. I love a cracker.

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18:58Ben Mandelker: So, she goes, I just love the girl who went from the casita to the badass that she is now. Okay, you know what? I never lived in a fucking casino. I was never poor

19:09Ronnie Karam: I never lived in a casino. Oh my god. I started cracking up Well, I was never insinuating that you're poor. I'm not rich enough to insinuate that you're poor. It was inaccurate I don't appreciate that. Wow, this really bothers you God, I've been called poor for three years now. So it does bother me I owned a home in Cotto da Casa And every other weekend Matt would come And I would go to the casita It was like a crash pad Okay And so my children Would never have to adjust Their circumstance When they're already Going through so much With their parents separating Okay I have never been Poor

19:46Ben Mandelker: I've never lived In a casita Except every other weekend When I lived in a casita So Gina's like Kim, my trainer She has a casita And she has rent To get to me Let me see the flashback For 2018 She's like She's renting it to me Until the weekend so she goes the chatter of the universe is always casita gina casita gina which i felt like was aimed at um us and also danny pellegrino because i think danny refers to her just as casita right doesn't he yeah he calls gina and emily he just calls her casita which is so funny new hip yeah i've never gotten a new hip the chatter of the universe is always like casita gina and like i I don't like it because it insinuates that I was like living in a casita with my kids.

20:30Ben Mandelker: And that's not true. I was living in a casita only part time. And then I moved everyone into a small condo with my kids. It was not a casita.

20:40Ronnie Karam: Well, they were all sleeping in a microwave. There's no shame in being poor. You know, it's like, I don't like everybody else shaming her, but then also her being like, how dare you? I was never poor. Like you were. I think she should lean into the, I was poor and I went through a really hard time and now I make money and you guys are a bunch of assholes for shaming me for that. You know, like instead of lifting me up and saying, congratulations, you've got, you know, you're doing so well now. Look, look at the size of your shoulder pads. You know, a few years ago, you would have been wearing fruit bowls on your shoulders, but now you've actually got pads.

21:18Ben Mandelker: Yeah. um well there was remember there was that season where shannon came over and saw like gina's old place uh and shannon like saw it was like a what was it like a three bedroom and there was like three kids in each bedroom and then a room for travis and gina and shannon came over and just saw all these bunk beds it's like oh bunk beds on the real housewives of orange county and then gina got so mad at her like why are you talking about the bunk beds in my home why are you doing that yeah well i don't i like it the whole you know there's like this narrative

21:51Ronnie Karam: that i like live in a casita and jen's like well i was just i was just using it as an example of someone who finds you inspiring you know i mean listen going from being evicted from a home i i use my shitty story to try and make it better for myself you know i mean now i'm thinking about fitness for 24 hours and i used to live in front of a 24-hour fitness so you know i'm just trying to say it's inspiring you know yeah i'm trying i'm sorry if i use the word casita i don't even know what a casita is even i haven't been that poor i hits i didn't realize i'd hit that i had

22:23Ben Mandelker: a trigger it's like i don't even want you guys to be concerned like do you understand i promise you i'm still living within my means i'm just doing better and that's all so i'm very proud of you i'm very very proud of you here take jen's friendship earring okay now you're friends with her

22:43Ronnie Karam: Take something from a real poor person. Jen's on the hearing. Here you go. You know, I'm proud of all of you, though. I'm so proud of you, ladies. That's so great. I mean, some of you are so okay with the kids not even talking to you. My kids named Brianna. That's so big of you, Vicky. I'm so proud of you.

23:01Ben Mandelker: And then Jen, Tamara's like, you know, Jen was just saying that she looks up to you. She wishes she could be successful like you are. And Jen's like, yeah, I mean, I wish I could figure it out. I mean, the whole like Pilates in the parking lot hasn't really taken off. I just I wish there's a crystal ball to tell me how to become successful. So Emily's like, well, whatever happened with you and Carmela? Did you go somewhere? Did something happen? Did she pay you? She didn't pay you. What? She welched on you. I can't believe she did that. Wow. What a liar Carmela is. I knew this was a scam all along.

23:28Ben Mandelker: Let's go after Carmela, guys.

23:30Ronnie Karam: Well, you know, it turns out that she took me to a property that she purchased and then they bulldozed it and they rebuilt it and sold it. I think she just wanted my input on stuff she was gonna put in. All the finishes were already in that house. She's like, well, I just felt like maybe I was an assistant. Do assistants just walk around and say, wow, you did a great job. You did so good. Wow. What a great home. Yeah. Yeah.

23:57Ben Mandelker: So Vicki's like, do you have an interior designer desire? Like, do you know how to do that? Do you wanna go to a class? Do you wanna go to school? Do you understand what that is? Do you know what a sofa is? No, I actually have no idea. All of the above is no. No idea.

24:10Ronnie Karam: You're out of your lane. You're out of your lane. Yes, I am out of my lane. But, you know, lanes are meant to turn on to. It could be.

24:19Ben Mandelker: Or in the case of Shannon, lanes are meant to swerve out of.

24:25Ronnie Karam: How dare you? Well, my advice would be to do something in the fitness realm because, you know, fitness is her lane. She works out a lot. Look at her.

24:34Ben Mandelker: Well, I just don't know if that would be my moneymaker though, you know, and they're like, no, you should do it do it And I did it. There is so much money. There is so much money We had to close down cut fitness because we're like cut fitness can't deal with it. Okay, too much money There is so much money. We had to hide it under the floorboards. That's why they were all uneven

24:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and then we did so much online stuff It's just all online with fitness and she's like yeah, she should do something online Okay, well, maybe I'll do something like that on a line. Which line? The internet, Jen. Oh, yeah, my internet got turned off. But, you know, anyway, I started thinking, what am I passionate about? My kids, passionate about that. So am I rich now? Am I rich now? Did I do it? No, you have to have a job. And she's like, oh, I don't know about that.

25:28Ben Mandelker: Mm-mm. Mm-mm. No. For those wondering, this is all leading towards the summation of Jen's entire season-long storyline, which is filming herself doing push-ups, basically. It's like, guys, should I film myself doing a push-up? I did it. I did it. It actually happened.

25:46Ronnie Karam: Which she's been doing. Because remember, she had that season where they're like, God, Jen, you've got to do something. Film yourself online. I mean, they've already done this. And she's like, okay, well, Ryan does most of my content now. They're like, ew, your content is all about stupid Ryan. Do your own content. So then she started doing her own content of her, you know, lifting tiny weights. And they were like, we are some power, man. This is Harajuku.

26:15Ben Mandelker: I thought that was this season. I mean, I don't remember. I just remember in the beginning of the season, Emily was somehow like the TikTok guru. They're like, I want to learn how to do TikTok like Emily does. Yeah. Okay, everyone, come on over. We're going to stick our head into a bowl.

26:28Ronnie Karam: whatever it was that we did no it was another season where ryan was posting a lot of content on jen's thing like aren't we wacky couple and they were like that's gross no one wants to see

26:37Ben Mandelker: ryan you should be doing sit-ups and she's like oh wow how empowering thank you so much thank you

26:44Ronnie Karam: so much for that um so they talk about their highlights of the trip people like shopping and then emily is like wow you know i just i was looking around at us at the tea house we're all having tea and vicky was yelling that she wanted a piece of grilled chicken somebody and then you know i thought wow we really like each other by the way anything to say tamra about how you said something mean about brianna not wanting to speak to vicky no okay cheers to japan Okay, so they're done with Japan. And thank God. And you know who else probably said thank God? Japan. Japan.

27:29Ben Mandelker: Japan. Harajuku. The people, the Harajuku fans were like, get these ladies out of here. So we wind up at Tamara's house where Tamara's talking to Eddie and Sophia about her trip. And Tamara's brought some candy. And then she's spreading it. she's giving them candy and bags and eddie's making jokes about like you didn't buy me i mean i got these shitty banana banana candies whatever because she gave sydney something it's really under it's it's not interesting scene so then gina is telling she's showing all her stuff

28:04Ronnie Karam: off to travis that she bought and she's like oh my god and then i got a tiny backpack that's kind of the size of a normal backpack but then i also got this huge jacket you know and he's like why did you buy a$1 ,500 backpack? I haven't even noticed you in a backpack. She's like, well, then I got a Prada. I got a Prada bag to hold my laptop. And this ski jacket. It's like a red coat. She's like, that doesn't even have a zipper on it. How are you going to go skiing with a, you don't go skiing. What are you doing? She's like, yeah, I look good.

28:36Ben Mandelker: It doesn't have a zipper. Well, whatever. And then we go to Devi Rebel Yoga and Jen is teaching a yoga class and she's gonna film it so that way she can build up her online business and um she's sort of telling ryan to you know not mess up his knee and everything and guess who shows up out of nowhere it's gretchen hi guys however i heard there's a new show about bernie texas so i'm back

29:08Yeah.

29:08Ronnie Karam: Bravo's really going for my demographic. Well, you know, I thought about putting my classes on the platform, but you know, you, you know, because on the platforms, you can have more of a reach. You can be, you know, more people will see you if you're on a platform. That's it. That's why divers don't just, you know, hop into a pool. They get onto a platform and then they go very deep. Some of the platforms are higher than others. And I think, wow, don't they hurt their heads?

29:36Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's really crazy. And a lot of women were saying that they want to feel sexy, or they say they want to feel fit. And so I named it Sexy Fit. I mean, originally I was going to call it I Want To, but then I thought that's a little too vague, so I named it Sexy Fit. Then I was asking Ryan what he wants to do, and he said he wants to jerk off. So then I thought, okay, well, why don't we call it Sexy Fit Jerk Off? But then they said don't call it that. So we're just calling it Sexy Fit.

29:59Ronnie Karam: oh my gosh that class was so hard but so good you're such a badass like you were so good like this is your damn girl i'm so proud of you

30:12Ben Mandelker: yeah like so are you like planning the wedding like what's happening yeah well we'll pick a date and then um i think we're gonna do it like maybe like with one or two of the kids like you know you guys did a wedding for yourselves right and so gretchen talks about the private ceremony but they're not how they're not legally married the whole thing again they're not married they're married but not married and um so then they're just talking about the wedding planning and everything and uh jen is saying wondering if she could wear a bikini to her wedding and gretchen's like well you wear the bikini and i'll wear the princess dress

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33:19Ronnie Karam: Well, the Claudia looks like it's been there for years. I didn't even have the Ariana on my short list. Now I'm going to need to add that one in there and start this all over again. Thanks.

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34:36Well,

34:38Ben Mandelker: Shirley, you know, unfortunately, we totally understand that you weren't able to make it to Tokyo. So surely you did something very interesting back here in Orange County, right? Well, I put some flowers in a vase and then I offered a dress to my daughter from my closet. So yeah, it was pretty wild around here.

34:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it was like really crazy. I had just like so much going on here why don't my daughters like my outfits oh they're they're extremely tacky uh so then uh carmella's like you know from when i she's talking about her health and you know how bad it is and how terrible she feels for not being there and i don't know it's a carmella scene so

35:21Ben Mandelker: basically jen is like she's like you know i felt like i felt upset because we've had so many conversations and you were like i'm coming i'm coming i'm coming and then to find out you're not not only are you not coming but you just didn't even tell me you know it felt like i was left out and she's like well from the time that i saw you at the house i just got like just like went downhill and like i was just like the state i was in and just like i'd be slowing everyone down which i like i tried my ass off to figure out how to make this trip where i just wanted to make it work and it doesn't work and then there's danny and i was just like it was hard i was just She's like, it's been really hard.

35:54Ronnie Karam: Like my health, yeah, my health has been really bad in Danny. And then I was like, flowers in a vase and Danny. Wait a minute. It's just something to do with Danny? Well, I don't know. Where'd you get that idea?

36:10Ronnie Karam: She was like, wait a minute. Does this have something to do with Danny? Yes. Yes, it does. She just told you it has something to do with Danny. So they're like, what's going on with him? I'm just like, yeah, you know, like, I just, I feel like maybe I just don't trust him or something. And I mean, I don't know. Maybe this is headed in a good direction.

36:33Ben Mandelker: Like, yeah, so. Well, you have great children, too. You do have children, right? Do you have children? I don't know. I was just trying to say something to make you feel better. I don't really know anything about you except you live in one of the ranchos.

36:49Ronnie Karam: then we go to jen and ryan walking on the beach and um talking about how they have three cabo trips planned and the bahamas and she's like wow did i tell you out of the blue grayson said what are you doing with ryan i mean he's like are you gonna marry ryan can you believe that we need to make a date when are we even gonna get married i can't believe this is it my fault is it your fault everybody's starting to know when is Jen going to get married to Ryan?

37:15Ben Mandelker: He's like, I'm just waiting for you. Maybe this is a fear-based mentality for me holding back all these blessings that I should be running off the altar with Ryan. What am I doing? Why am I waiting? He's like, yeah, just give me a date. Just let me know. I'm just waiting. I am sitting here waiting. Now we go to Gina and Travis. Here's the thing about this season.

37:35Ronnie Karam: This episode feels like it should have ended in Tokyo. Why are they still going? And now they're all giving season finale scenes. It's like, here's our final update. I'm breaking up with Ryan. I'm starting a business. Maybe I'm going to get married. Maybe it seems over. How is this not the season finale?

37:53Ben Mandelker: I know. We're just getting these little scenes. And now we have Gina and Travis talking to a lawyer. And she's like, in a nutshell, we're getting married. But we don't really know anything about a prenup. And so the lawyer is like, you should get a prenup. And she goes like, yeah, I'm definitely like really cautious about my finances at the position I was left in at my divorce. See, I am very responsible with my money, okay? So Travis, I'm sorry to say, you will not be getting that Louis Vuitton jacket if we ever get divorced.

38:21Ronnie Karam: I thought this was really funny because Gina's like, wow, like a prenuptial agreement? What? And the lawyer's like, well, basically what a prenuptial agreement is, it says what's your property and what's his property? It's like, wow, oh, I get it. So the way that you're putting it makes a lot of sense. Maybe we should have a prenup. Because, of course, Gina's getting a prenup with Travis. I mean, Travis's divorce was horrible. And I think it's finalized. But it was horrible. And fighting over money was a lot of it. And the ex-wife apparently had a lot. She was from family money. And Travis is trying to get money from her.

39:00Ronnie Karam: Gina isn't going to get a prenup, Travis. And then she's like, yeah, this sounds really smart. and then travis is like well you know i guess i'm the guy that's just looking up and thinking no nothing's ever going to go wrong with this sorry travis you're getting a prenup sign here nice try buddy but then the episode really picks up because we go to emily's house so that way she

39:21Ben Mandelker: can talk to shane so she's like hey are you glad i'm back from tokyo and change is still sitting at his little table he's like a muppet you know like they always have a muppet at like a table so you can't see the hands. He's always at that table. And he's like, yeah, it was good. Yeah, it was good. When I left in Japan, I felt like we weren't really having good conversations. We weren't really communicating. Why do you laugh every time I bring this up? He's like, because I don't remember.

39:49Ronnie Karam: It's like, I don't remember what you're even talking about. Like, how are the times that we've gone through in the past few weeks any different than the bad times we've been through since we first started talking to each other on Gchat.

40:03Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Well, I just want to say, we weren't really in a good space, and I went on this trip. So you bashed me. Is that what you're trying to say? No, I just was honest that we weren't in the best place. You bashed him.

40:20Ronnie Karam: Yes. She says Emily giving Shane the warning. I've been talking shit about you again on TV. He's like, okay, let me ask you my question. Do you ever look at yourself when times are like that and think, hmm, how do I break the ice? Well, I made the decision no matter how tired I was that I was going to take time to say something to you at night. Remember? And I made you that steak that one time. He's like, all right, well, that was great.

40:48Ben Mandelker: I know that we're committed, right? Yeah, I mean, last time I checked, I'm just going to reel you back in. So the point of the story is that they're going to go out to dinner and get a babysitter and they're going to do something nice and they sort of like each other. No divorce this time around.

41:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And we know how this dinner's going to go. Whoa, we're finally at dinner. We're doing something romantic. Jeez. He'll be like, can I have the chicken fingers and mac and cheese? What are you eating like a five-year-old? God, mind your own business. I hate this marriage. It's like the next five years of our life.

41:24Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Now we go to a dealer. How dare you? What'd you say? Avila's. Avila's. Avila's El Ranchito restaurant, where Heather, Tamara, and Vicky are having lunch. And I guess Heather was drinking earlier in the day. She's like, I've been with Sarah all afternoon. Fun, Heather, is here. Yay, party, party. Fiesta, fiesta forever. Oh, yes, dancing on the ceilings. Wow, fun times here.

41:55Ronnie Karam: you know who you need at a casual girls taco night heather dubrow in a louis vuitton top like oh my god heather is like she just looks so out of place and she's like i'm having fun she keeps doing this with her hands it's me drunk heather tamar's like wow heather's just so fun when she's drunk she's just like regular heather except she smells different

42:23Ben Mandelker: i am drunk you have to catch up girlfriend look at me being officially drunk very much drunk i am so um she heather keeps on saying this catch up catch up oh good oh good vicky's joined too you need to catch up also girlfriend you need a triple margarita with a shot on the side

42:42Ronnie Karam: that's what us party girls drink alfredo bring me a skinny margarita and i mean skinny I want my margarita to be on Ozempic

42:59Ben Mandelker: well I haven't seen either of you two since Japan and that makes sense because I live in Beverly Hills which is a rich neighborhood that you have to go up a hill to just to see all the wealthy people how are you in your poor flatlands of orange county well yeah me and mike uh had a

43:21Ronnie Karam: talk and he said we want i want to sit down and i want to figure out a life plan they're like oh heather's gonna or vicky's gonna get married like no no no i'm not talking about being married you don't have to be married to have a house and you don't need a ring i don't even need a ring i still had my ring that i bought for myself when i was with steve lodge then we never even got married that thing's you know what it's safe somewhere it was 150 000

43:46Ben Mandelker: that's because i'm desensitized from from jewelry now okay it's just stuff to me well of course if it's all plastic why would you get excited about it it was 110 000 and the producer is like you

43:59Ronnie Karam: bought your own wedding ring i like the producer's tone of voice like oh you bought your own wedding rings yeah steve didn't have that kind of money come on um also by the way in the middle of this

44:12Ben Mandelker: they order their food and i think tamra's like i have a salad please and can i get some chicken on that and when she said did you notice this when she said can i get some chicken on that heather goes oh like she's like excited like oh wow oh love that because like normally it's like should we get some guacamole yes you know we should get let's just get some melted cheese Yes. Can I get a little bit of chicken? Oh, yes. The guiltiest pleasure of all. Some chicken breast on a salad.

44:41Ronnie Karam: Yes, because I know specifically, she's like, can I get some sliced grilled chicken breast? And Heather's like, yes, get me that and I'll just eat it with some of the pico de gallo. Like they finally, someone's finally spoke Heather's language. I just want plain grilled sliced chicken breast. That's it.

45:02Ben Mandelker: Yes. And Heather was like, Ooh, ooh, ooh, good choice, good choice.

45:08Ronnie Karam: So, Tamara, this is where Tamara has her big apology scene with Vicky. She's like, Vicky, I've been wanting to read that since Japan, which of course I didn't because I was waiting for the cameras to watch you get really upset at me. But you know what? I was talking about, I got mad at you for talking about my daughter. So then I was like, oh, really? Well, ask if she's talked to Brianna lately. It was so funny. It was so funny. You mad? You mad, Vicky? But Brianna is talking to me. She is talking to me today. Just today I called her and it said, Please leave a force mail. There is no one at this address.

45:45Ronnie Karam: This number has been changed. It was very sweet.

45:48Ben Mandelker: But you guys said you were fighting about something. Well, no, we don't fight. We just had a disagreement. But like, we don't fight. Brianna and I are fine. We're fine. We're totally fine. Everything's fine. Everything's good. You know, my relationship with Brianna is good. Like, I don't see her enough. And that's the hardest thing. She's got four kids. five if you count her husband, and she's got a fun life. And I think she's just trying to put me in the same peg with her and Sydney. It's not happening. It's not happening. I talked to Brianna. Everything's fine. Everything's fine.

46:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Vicky's like, listen, I'm sorry for what I said, and that's it. That's it. That is it. Okay, but I'm sorry for what I said about how Brianna doesn't talk to you because she's mad at you. I'm so sorry that Brianna doesn't talk to you, Vicky.

46:29Ben Mandelker: Vicky's like, no, she talks to me. So then Tamara tells us, well, either things are still really bad with her and Brianna when she doesn't want to talk about it, or she's on a beta blocker and she has no idea where she's at. So Tamara's like, I'm so sorry for bringing up the fact that you two aren't talking. And now as part of that apology, I'm just going to remind the audience that you two are not talking despite anything you said. Yeah, exactly.

46:52Ronnie Karam: It's like, yeah, I'm so glad you accepted my apology for not being able to watch your grandchildren grow because your dad hates you. That's sweet. We should hug. He's like, hug it out. Hug it out. So Tamra jumps on Vicky. She's like, oh, my God, let's kiss now. Come on, give me your lips. Let's tongue kiss. She's like, I do not kiss women. That is disgusting. That is sin.

47:16Ben Mandelker: Icky, icky, icky, icky. Now Jen, Emily, Gina, and her daughter, Sienna, are picking up trash on the beach. And Gina is like, why does this beach look so good? it's like a very clean beach and they're like yeah it's like there's no trash so Jen's like

47:35Ronnie Karam: I have a question actually watching this scene why is this episode still going

47:41Ben Mandelker: I know this episode ended like 10 times and the climactic scene is going to be them walking on a beach picking up trash

47:48Ronnie Karam: yes I like the daughter she's like there isn't even trash on this beach we live in Orange County there's no trash just fake it Just fake it Go buy that rock So she runs off So they can all talk shit

48:03Ben Mandelker: So I saw Carmella and Shannon And Carmella She broke down And I don't know Because of like Danny I guess I guess she said I'm just I'm very overwhelmed Something about A vase and flowers And putting them in them I don't know It's a lot going on with her

48:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah then they talk About the trip And how Vicky said Something that was Very out of line And they're like Yeah Vicky's Always out of line And they show Vicky Being like you left your kids in San Diego. You aren't even a mother to your children, Carmela. And then in Tokyo, her saying, Tamara has a sharp tongue, and this is what Sydney was talking about. And then another flashback with her being like, you are not kind, sweet, or soft, Tamara.

48:42Ben Mandelker: And by the way, Emily, of course, only calls Vicky Victoria because it's like some weird rebellion that she has. You know, it's like, Victoria didn't like this. I'm like, just call her Vicky. Like, what is going on? So then Jen is like, well, are her and Tamara fine? it doesn't seem like they're fine jina says i'm actually surprised that you don't know that since your tamra's new bff gross and emily's like yeah you guys are best friends that's strange that you guys are suddenly best friends and jen's like you guys are such assholes i was like thank you jen

49:11Ronnie Karam: thank you for saying it so um she's talking about how she was kind of faking it with tamra or at least just pretending to be nice because tamra was really laying it on thick in tokyo that they're best friends and Gina's like, well, I think she was just trying to piss off Heather. And Jen's like, oh my god, did you guys feel that way too? Did you guys feel that way too? She's like, yes, of course! We both did! She's just faking it to make Heather mad! Yeah, she's only faking nice to you to make Heather mad. Okay, this is gonna be our season finale thing where we're gonna come after Heather getting mad because you're not really her friend.

49:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I mean, it's actually not the worst theory in the world that since Heather said that she put Tamara in a box at the beginning of the season. Tamara's revenge is to steal, um, Heather's best buddy candidate. So Jen is like, well, I mean, let's just go text each other. And then like, you know, and I actually think that you might be right. I just, I, wow, I really feel that. Wow. I, I, this is a great theory. Wow. Sometimes I do sometimes wonder how Tamara and I go so, so far one way. And then all of a sudden we're friends again. How does that happen? That's weird.

50:19Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah. So then we see there's kind of a lot of flashbacks and cutting back and forth to tell us what we're going to get in the season finale. Gina's very upset because Heather said, you know, it's the first time she, you know, now she's spending all this money. They're going to be mad at that. And then Heather's, I'm sick of this conversation. We just start seeing the season finale, basically, that they're warming us up for and a lot of classic housewives coming in. and then they're setting it up to be Carmella is gonna really finally do something on this show and let Vicky have it and then we see Carmella getting worked up to come tell Vicky off and then who says it Gina is like well you wanted to see Cruella DeVille and now you're gonna see oh no Jen says that you guys summoned Cruella DeVille and now you got her and then we see Carmella walking up to Vicky and then it cuts to black I don't think Carmella's gonna do it they keep it'll be like trying to rile us up that carmella is gonna be this big ass big badass and then it

51:22Ben Mandelker: doesn't ever happen yeah she's just like well i just really didn't like that and i just i would appreciate if you just don't say that about me again that's it but you know that's all it's gonna be um cool well yeah this season should be done um and the good news is that this episode is done everyone. Thanks for being here. What an exciting way to end the week.

51:47Ronnie Karam: Yes. Well, we'll see you next time. Have an amazing weekend, guys.

51:52Ben Mandelker: Bye. Bye, everyone.

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