#3617 Southern Charm S12E01 Part Two: Austen Spitty Limits

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1:07Ben Mandelker: Watch What Happens

1:31Ronnie Karam: of a two-part recap if you're like hey wait a minute i didn't hear part one guys it's because we put out a lot of recaps go back and listen to part one okay it's before this one bye enjoy the

1:42Ben Mandelker: show awesome meets up with shep to go fishing and uh they got shep looks great by the way i have to say shep shep shep is doing i was like wow shep like this as he reaches his 60th birthday he's got like he's got the facial hair and like the weather thing i don't know it's all working out

2:00Ronnie Karam: well for him so they go fishing and well listen you know shep has always had the energy of like a privileged old white guy and so now that he is just kind of he's kind of becoming his yeah he's growing into he's growing into it doesn't mean mature and growing up but definitely you know it makes more sense the older and grow the older you get i think that kind of personality makes sense i don't know though it was a compliment but very god he tells us gosh you know i'm still

2:35Ben Mandelker: behaving like a rascal but that's just because you know it's like they're you know the one the one there hasn't been the one that's the man of my full attention yet so i'm just gonna rascal it up i'm like soon you'll be rascaling it up on a rascal yourself sir and so then he's asking also that he's gonna be bringing a date there's no one who does there's no one who demands more attention

2:55Ronnie Karam: from me oh god the guys on this show are so fucking gross and uh vanita is having a party

3:04Ben Mandelker: uh the garden of eden it's gonna be a garden party which they love doing on this show and austin is not planning on bringing a date he's like well i was talking to sally and sally asked me if i was bringing someone i was like i don't think so you know and then she was like well she might bring someone and i feel like you know like she was like most like trying to gauge Like if I would be bringing someone a job, I'd be jealous, you know?

3:25Ronnie Karam: It's so funny that she's having a Garden of Eden party on Southern Charm because that is like the first part of the Bible. And then the whole thing is set up to blame everything on women. Right from that chapter. And it's like the perfect show to be celebrating the fucking Garden of Eden. Oh, my God. So, yeah. And then Austin's like, well, like, you know, so my call, my situation with Sally, perfect. Right? You have a hot friend who's cool with you talking to other girls, doing your thing. And sometimes you just get to make out with her. And Shep's like, of course, I hate this saying, you have your cake and eat it too.

4:04Ronnie Karam: Because why would you want to have a cake and not eat it? Of course, of course, of course, of course, of course.

4:11Ben Mandelker: It's a fair point. He does bring some logic. On a show where we're already talking about two people's lack of logic, His cake commentary is not the worst in the world. Why do you just have cake? Just to have it. Just keeping it right in front of you. So, we don't have to go back to Sally.

4:30Ronnie Karam: You know what? Can you hear me being quiet? Can you hear my silence? Because you know I'm debating on whether or not we should talk about what that saying means for another hour.

4:38Ben Mandelker: We're not going to talk about the cake. We will have a whole season.

4:41Ronnie Karam: Because I have a feeling we don't agree on what that means. And it's come up twice a day. We're just talking about it on another day. Just say it. No, because it's going to start a whole thing and we're going to be here totally. What do you think? I think it means you can't have a cake. Well, I think it – okay, I actually don't know. I think it means you can't have cake and also eat it because if you eat it, you don't have it anymore. But the other part of me thinks, hey, I had cake today. That means you ate a cake. So you can't eat a cake and also eat your cake because you already ate the cake that you're eating.

5:14Ronnie Karam: So which one is it? Wait, I don't understand. Because it's just two ways of saying the same thing. If you're like, hey, what are you having right now for lunch? I would say, I'm having cake, right?

5:24Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

5:25Ronnie Karam: And so, okay, well, I'm having cake. But you can't eat your cake because you're having your cake. Like, which is it? Are you going to have it? Are you going to eat it? You're adding a whole new tense to this.

5:35Ben Mandelker: You're adding, like, an active – I forget what it is. This is a gerund or I don't know. Whatever it is. You're adding a tense. It's intense. There is a moment where like the act of, you will have not finished eating the cake. And so you will have eaten the cake and there will still be cake on your plate. So you both have your cake and you're eating it too. I think the expression is examining a before and after, not a during. And so I don't think it's fair for you to say, like use an example to say, I'm having cake while you're mid cake, because that's not, that's no, because we have to look at the, we have to look at the end of the timeline.

6:11Ben Mandelker: And when all is said and done and someone says, hey, do you have any cake? And you look at your empty plate and say, I don't have any cake because you ate it.

6:20Ronnie Karam: Okay. So then you think it's the first thing, which was you can't have a cake in front of you and then eat the cake and still expect to have the cake in front of you. Oh, yes. Is that what you think it means? Okay. Okay.

6:33Ben Mandelker: Well, really, it should be you can't have a slice of cake because it's very – the truth is this. if you have a whole cake in front of you and you have a slice of it you have you can't eat your cake and still have cake because there's still a whole cake also you've just disrespected like

6:49Ronnie Karam: nine other pieces of cake which isn't cool yeah but i think it's like you can't have your slice of cake and eat it too hmm yeah i think yeah you can't i mean we all kind of know what it means but we're gay so it's like you can't have your cake and then complain about being fat the next day because you ate the fucking cake so shut up and just stop complaining about it enjoy the cake

7:13Ben Mandelker: in the first place well that's yeah that's the that's the that's the real trick of it so then you have your cake and am i fat how many do i look fat in this that's the saying you can't have your cake and am i do i look fat so venita's like uh talking to sally still um about how she's she's like oh you're so giddy and cute i'm like can i like how can you say stuff like that and then then like in this like in your face and then it's like oh what is she let's go hang out is that what

7:43Ronnie Karam: sal what sale what what does she say am i that was extremely low but that uh wait he's all sal sal let's go hang out oh sally oh sally that's her name sally i'm thinking sal because sal is sal is a male name so i was like who is sal yeah she's like you can't you can't let this man talk to you and call you a slut on national tv basically and then be like hey salve want to go out and then you say yes it's pathetic she's like oh my god well i just want your real opinion as long as and so we're gonna get married okay i'm gonna go put my face back in an ice bowl she's like all right yeah so we go back to fishing and um shep's like when was the last time that you and sally do do do kissed or something

8:37Ben Mandelker: well when our friend was in town djing our friend who still got unnamed kyle cook and she kind of looked at me it's like whoa okay whatever so basically like we made out but then he she went

8:49Ronnie Karam: home with him yeah and he's like we're school that's kind of friends we are we'll make out with somebody and then we'll go home with somebody else and shep's uh so shep's like well girls obviously see the world a little gosh differently are you worried that she's gonna be like i don't know emotional girls can't help but separate emotion or they can't help but get emotional about every single little thing. Can she separate? Is she enough of a woman to separate the emotion? Gush. Gush.

9:24Ben Mandelker: Now we go to Madison's house and we see a day in the life of Madison now that she has her baby. Her baby is really cute and I love that her baby has the same haircut as the former mayor of Toronto, Rob Ford. Rest in peace.

9:40Ronnie Karam: Just the spiky blonde hair. I think her baby has the look of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the Affleck husband. The one he's like, oh, my cousin is Ben Affleck or whatever. This baby is really cute, though. And I love Madison's motherhood scene. Because, you know, we've seen her do her whole, like, going from Madison, Austin's girlfriend, to the ex-girlfriend, to the, you know, to, you know. Now she's good housekeeping, Madison, basically. So she's got the baby and the mansion and the perfect husband. She's got all of this. And I love the mothering scene because she's like, this fucking sucks.

10:20Ronnie Karam: This baby don't sleep. This baby don't let me sleep. God, no wonder I waited 14 years to do this. Now I have to do this all because my husband doesn't even live in this state. Fuck this. Fuck babies. Fuck motherhood. I hate it.

10:34Ben Mandelker: So she's like left alone for days on end taking care of this baby. So she's exhausted. so she's putting on more makeup than usual and then because she's facetiming brett she's putting on even more makeup so she facetimes him and she is like doing the lion king 10 times over onto her face it's just like and like she just this makeup has always been hilarious to me it looks like

10:59Ronnie Karam: we said the first time we saw katherine doing it on this show because katherine was really big on the contouring you know she would get like the big brown smudge and just smudge that's when we first started calling it the lion king stuff but having her do that it's like link putting lincoln logs on her face i remember like what are they doing before i knew what contouring was and to see it being used so heavily still today it's just a beautiful thing on this show you know so well

11:28Ben Mandelker: in yeah and to see madison just like contour her face 10 times over over the course the conversation was really wild i mean she just kept on like her makeup would be fine and then she's like okay time for another layer be like dot dot dot dot dot dot brush brush brush blend blend blend and another layer she just kept on doing it over and over and over again and she really does just

11:49Ronnie Karam: look like herself after all of that it's crazy because she's she's so beautiful to begin with So like even without makeup, when we see her, well, whatever she had to be no makeup, quote unquote, at the beginning, she's so stunning looking. And then she does all of this over and over. She should look like Abraham Lincoln by the end of this, like a portrait of Abraham Lincoln. And she doesn't. She still looks exactly like herself. So there's a talent in that.

12:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah, they have some chat and he's like, hey. Hey, it's my horses. Okay. You start sounding like me. so they're just talking back and forth about stuff and then at one point she mentions how um he asked how uh hudson's doing and she's like well you want to know something crazy he went over to my mom's house he was hanging out there till 8 30 and then i called him to be like why don't you what where are you and he said i'm in an classroom with peaches and i was like just because we haven't moved to town doesn't mean you don't have a curfew and i have to say it was very refreshing to me to see madison talk about this because we've now sat through like emily and aaron with their kids or just like calling them incessantly and like, what do I do?

12:54Ben Mandelker: I don't even know what to do. Like, I just feel bad. And I just like, Madison's like, uh-uh, I'm the boss around here. Get your ass home. Put down those peaches and ice cream. I don't care if it's from grandma's house. You are going to bed. I was like, yeah, Madison. And really with all the stuff going on with the world and to know what so many kids are

13:12Ronnie Karam: going through that her kid just wants to go hang out at grandma's house and eat ice cream with peaches is kind of the most awesome thing we've ever seen on TV. and yet he's still in i hope that's really what's happening yeah right now think you're gonna stay over from mamaw's ass eating goddamn ice cream you got nothing coming

13:32Ben Mandelker: exactly you know she's always been able to keep the men in her life like you know she's always been able to keep them in order and i i do love that about madison yeah she's like bob you know

13:42Ronnie Karam: what i'm gonna be the kind of mama that oh well she says this later never mind we'll get to it So Vanita's like, Vanita goes to a spot called Floral Studies. And Molly comes, and they're going to make some flower arrangements for Vanita's Garden of Eden party. And the gay who's running this place is amazing, just walking around with a Cosmo. He's like, okay, make yourself some flowers. Bye.

14:05Ben Mandelker: It was also a beautifully shot scene. There was like this golden light that was streaming through the windows. It was just beautiful. A beautiful scene of flower arranging. So they are putting together these vases and floral arrangements and everything. And, you know, Vanita wants some cheap flowers and stuff. So then Molly is like, so how are you and Craig? And Vanita says they're actually fine. And that at the reunion, she was able to really say what she wants to say to Craig. And she felt like she finally got through to him. So now things are better between them.

14:38Ronnie Karam: And as we were talking about before, this show is ultimately about dating. And I think especially the women feel a pressure to date somebody or get fired. Although Vanita's been on the show a long time now. But she does often have like some crush or something going on. This time it's Wittner.

14:56Ben Mandelker: You know I'm the sofa.

14:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah, this time. Yeah, this time it's Wittner. And she's really barking up the wrong tree with this one because Molly kind of has a thing with it. I mean, they're not dating, but they go everywhere together. They're close. You see them on social media together all the time. So it's weird that I don't know. I don't know if Molly, do you think Molly likes Wittner? She definitely has some kind of vibe with this where she's like, oh, Vanita likes Wittner, but I don't think that Wittner likes her. I think, I hope she doesn't get her feelings hurt.

15:32Ben Mandelker: I can't tell what it is, but Wittner, we find out, sent like a jacked selfie to Vanita, but also to Molly. so um i think which i think is actually was not i don't think he was trying to play two women against each other but i think vanita as molly points out vanita was like oh wow maybe this is flirtatious and vanita's like i i think i kind of like this guy because maybe maybe she was influenced maybe all these people were influenced by the fact that we in the audience last season were like why is everyone just like like just chasing austin and craig around when you got Wittner as like an eligible bachelor who just seems like the, like the best out of all of them.

16:16Ben Mandelker: And everyone's ignoring them. I feel like finally the women were like, Oh, wait a second. Yeah, actually Wittner, he seems like a good contender, but of course now this will be his douchebag season. So it's all going to blow up in their faces. But the point is that I think that Vanita is, yeah, she's, she's starting to fall for, for Wittner. And I, I think he's interested in the new girl personally.

16:36Ronnie Karam: Yes, because he's doing the same thing. It's like, here we go. New season. There's fresh meat on. Who's going to get her? Is it going to be Wittner? Is it going to be Austin? You know, Shep's going to come in there at some point like, gosh, well, you know, you know, if you ever need someone to take you to prom or something, it could be me. Gosh. Yeah, that was my implied cake, man. So Vanita's like Yeah he sent me a thirst trap photo So I like him now And Molly's like yeah he sent me that too So Molly Molly doesn't know how to break it to her She's like well I mean I don't really see any chemistry there I hope she doesn't get her feelings hurt But good luck And Vanita's like I'm all in Let's see where this goes

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20:54Ben Mandelker: it's time for the garden party and vanita is doing uh finishing touches and uh in walk rodrigo and tyler i do enjoy that tyler quite a bit first of all because i i feel like either he stated it or i just sense it that he's an ina garden fan and so you know i recognize my people um but also i feel like i feel like tyler watches the show and watches rodrigo have like sort of these, what's the right word? Not mediocre or mid-tempo, just like his contributions to scenes can sometimes be a bit like, and you know, Tyler is like, if I were on camera, I would have said something way funnier. And so when he comes onto camera, you can see him being like, finally, I'm going to represent both of us properly as the gaze of the show.

21:43Ronnie Karam: He is good at it. He's like, oh, wow, there's someone playing live music. What is that? A violin or a cello rodrigo's like i think a cello and he goes mollywood now see how i sold that

21:54Ben Mandelker: there wasn't technically asking you tyler's like there wasn't even a punchline on what i said but just in the tone that i used rodrigo it was funny you should try it i thought so so now shep

22:07Ronnie Karam: comes with bailey everyone's just saying hi blah blah blah hi hi austin comes it's like it's a Bravo show. It's a big thing. We come to shows. We say, hi, you look great. We do one of the shows. So he comes. Allie comes for her first scene. Oh my God, it's new girl Allie,

22:24Ben Mandelker: everybody. She's a local model. Yes. She has. You may recognize her from such esteemed events as Charleston Fashion Week, which, as we all know, is when everyone dusts off their favorite Eddie Bauer and walks down Main Street. Like, whoa. Hey, were you looking for some good khakis? Guess what? Charleston Fashion Week is starting up. Get ready. Pink polo and some gackies.

22:51Ronnie Karam: So, Vanita Rodrigo and her are talking. And she's like, whoa. Vanita's like, whoa. Oh, God. Remember when we worked together at Charleston Fashion Week? I think we did a shoot. I remember. Wasn't it at your house? Wasn't it at your house? Weren't you like 17? Rodrigo's like, oh, all right. You guys model together? She's like, yeah. Well, I mean, I was a model and coach assistant for Fashion Week. Yes, whatever. We'll get to that later. You were 17, right? She's like, I was 14. And he's like, oh, my God. Fuck you. What are you, like, 22, 25, 26? Ugh, you're so young.

23:26Ben Mandelker: Tyler's like, honey, the response is, work, bitch. I have to teach him everything.

23:36Ronnie Karam: So a bunch of Vanita's friends come and her mom come and Molly and Wittner come arm in arm. and of course molly comes in she's like oh wow a cellist that's great like the cello that's a stringed version of the euphonium yeah they're basically the same range so yeah it's basically

23:54Ben Mandelker: it's basically the mini tuba of stringed instruments so um yeah consider yourself educated uh so they're all saying hello and venita's like oh here's wit and he looks delicious Jess. She has got a lady boner for Wittner. And then Wittner's like, yeah, look at me and my shirt. I'm unbuttoned and you can never have too many buttons down. Am I right, everyone? We're doing that high rocks. Yeah. Madison and Greg are in the car on the way over. Oh, go ahead. I was going to say, there was at one point an extraneous shot, like a slow-mo shot of Wittner shirtless, like working out at the gym. Like, yeah, ladies, getting on.

24:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, he's a little like, mm-hmm, hi. This year. So Madison and Craig are in their car on the way there. And Madison's like, are you excited for tonight? Are you scared because everybody hates you now? I mean, I'm good with everybody, obviously. Anybody you want me to yell at or tell off, make feel small? Austin? Maybe Austin? I'll do that for you. I'll do it for you, Craig. And he's like, I'm hopelessly optimistic. You know, I'm still fragile, which I learned when I took a trip all by myself to Switzerland.

25:07Ben Mandelker: so uh then they park the car and so craig gets out and then he walks around to open up madison's door but he's also putting on his blazer and he cannot put his arm into his blazer blazer sleeve and it is hilarious and so craig is like oh my god oh oh oh and like we've gotten tangled up in our clothes before but this was like there was no there was no obstruction i don't know

25:28Ronnie Karam: what was going on he was like i can't it's the vaccine and he's just not opening the door for her and god forbid she opens the door and gets out of the car so she's just like what is he gonna open the door i mean what the hell and she just looks right into the camera like jeez she's doing

25:45Ben Mandelker: it right she's not making concessions for his stupidity she's like no i will sit here until

25:49Ronnie Karam: you figure out your own dumb life and it's craig you're really gonna sit around and wait for craig to open a door you're gonna die in the fire you know what i mean so what you're gonna do when there's a building burning no open the door push him out of the way wait for craig so then

26:05Ben Mandelker: whitner and austin are talking about talking to craig and um austin's asking if if whitner and craig are okay and he's like yeah i don't know if we're good you know it's he might be a little jealous there's a new hot guy on the block you know working out so some of the dialogue that i kicked off in new york he's upset about it and you know i was like i hear you and i'd like to talk to you about it and to his credit he said hey man we'll talk we'll talk and to my mom's credit she said rebel because she's an anarchist don't forget so austin's like whoa well he has every reason to probably be mad at me but we're like seemingly fine it's insane yeah and we see

26:41Ronnie Karam: at the reunion where whitner said something to craig and craig's like whatever whitner you're new you have no idea how this world works shut up i was like nurse said he was a narcissist

26:51Ben Mandelker: and Craig was like, you don't even go here. It's like,

26:58Ronnie Karam: you don't have to be on the show 10 years to know a narcissist when you see one. So Craig is like, wow, this is crazy because you see a girl and she looks good. I just saw Sally and I was like, she looks good and then she turned around and she was Sally. God.

27:15Ben Mandelker: Sally who came to this party looking like a workers' twin, although So when Austin sees you, he's like, well, you look like goddamn Princess Leia. Just because she's wearing white. It just looks nothing like Princess Leia. It's like, does that mean you like him when my hair is straightened? I just don't remember Princess Leia having underboob. But, you know, hey, maybe I missed the later chapters.

27:41Ronnie Karam: I mean, I saw every one of those movies. I don't know. I don't remember like a white. I don't know what he's talking about, but that's awesome.

27:47Ben Mandelker: I don't remember work his hair. oh my god you look like celine fucking dion right now his celebrity comps are a bit a little bit off so yeah but craig being totally obnoxious he'd be like oh wow too bad the hot girl was just sally so then um then sally and vanita are talking to madison and sally is like oh god one of my nails are messed up and madison says well you know what they say you got your nails you got dirty panties Benito's like I don't have trip nails talking about right now

28:20Ronnie Karam: I've literally never heard that never heard that she made that up on the spot yeah so Wittner and Ali new girl Ali are flirting with each other like you look good did you pick out your own suit he's like my mama helped me oh your mama wow mama's boy oh that's something in the style I'm a local model

28:45Ben Mandelker: yeah that was before she snuck out of the house dressed all in black with a balaclava on and brought some lentil soup to a local store anarchists

28:55Ronnie Karam: so he's like you want to go on a date sometime it's like um you're gonna need to try a little harder than that he's like how about a little date sometime oh is that hard enough hey wait

29:07Ben Mandelker: you got something in your hair let me get it out oh it's sticky it's stuck in there it won't it It actually won't. Ooh, it's disgusting. I need to wash my hand after I touch your hair. So how about that date, right?

29:21Ronnie Karam: It's like, wow, you got some in your hair. Well, it's big. It's huge. Oh, Jesus Christ. What is your hair? Okay, I got it.

29:29Ben Mandelker: I got it. We're good. You know what?

29:36Ben Mandelker: It's really my entire concept of you. I don't know if I can get it up when I think about you anymore. Oh, it's gone. It was just a little fuzz.

29:44Ronnie Karam: It was a little fuzz. Yeah, it was a little fuzz. So everyone's watching them, and they're like, oh, God, what's going on over there? Sally's like, wait a minute. Did Allie and Witten come together? I don't know what's going on over there. And Austin's like, I don't know. I know. She's like, well, I know this. I know that you went on dates with her, Austin, and you kept it a secret from me. You kept the whole thing from me. That's true, though. Why are you looking like it's not true? You don't mean explanation.

30:10Ben Mandelker: you soon i have no clue no fucking clue what she's talking about ali and i were talking for like one month period okay i wasn't trying to hide i was like going out with ali very much in the open like my mouth when i talk and yeah i mean i did like her at the time yeah that's true so then we go back to rodrigo and he's talking to molly and he's like hey girlfriend why are you so red right now you were over there talking to Allie Newman wow why'd you get and she's like yes I am like because of Wittner he's trying to basically say like are you getting flushed because Wittner was over there but like it's not really landing yeah

30:51Ronnie Karam: you know that's a show they're going to push all these new romances really hard so Madison comes over to Sally and Austin and Shep and is like hi slits oh look at you Shep you got a beard now you look so educated Look at you. He's like, wow, why do I look like, Freud or something? Because everyone knows I'm educated. Why was Freud his choice?

31:15Ben Mandelker: I mean, I know Freud had a beard and everything, but like, whoa, God, do I look like the father of modern psychology? Gosh,

31:26Ronnie Karam: I'm the father of modern psychology. And Austin's like, well, look at you, won for Congress. Which is kind of funny because he doesn't. I mean, if anything, maybe he's like an elder senator or something. But like Congress are very clean cut. You know? Yeah. Howdy doody. More like howdy doody.

31:45Ben Mandelker: At least where I'm at. That's how Austin. It's like when. It's like Austin, basically. If Austin shaves, he's like someone running for Congress. Yeah. Little boy face.

31:55Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I think so, too. So Madison's like, yeah, we take him more serious with the beard. Okay. Just don't speak. That's what messes you up every time. He's like, oh, you know, I'll do something stupid soon. She goes, yeah, sure you will. I'm sure you will. So Austin's like, wait a minute. Where's your better half, Madison? By the way, Austin and Madison, who still have the best chemistry on this show of any couple, hands down, currently, including Madison and her husband, who really don't have a ton of chemistry, at least on camera, are wearing the same outfit. Austin's wearing a floral shirt, and she's wearing a floral dress, and they look like a couple.

32:33Ronnie Karam: They look like they did this on purpose.

32:35Ben Mandelker: They're so it's out of control. Yeah, it was crazy. I'm so glad you mentioned that because I noticed that as well. So where were we here? So she says that he's with the baby and it's like, oh, yeah, that's cool. Hey, whoa. Oh, my God. Madison, you just picked up a glass of champagne that was near you. That looked like I've been drunken out of. Do you even know that's yours? She's like, yeah, it's my glass.

33:04Ronnie Karam: You think I've suddenly got a problem with things that have been passed around? I'm talking to you, haven't I?

33:12Ben Mandelker: Meanwhile, Craig and Molly are talking, and Craig is like, hey, Molly, see that new girl over there? The non-blonde? Whoa, that girl did a photo shoot for me. And she's like, yeah, I did a photo shoot with her a few years ago. She's really sweet. Yeah, but you're on America's Next Top Model, and she's a local model. Wow And it turns out she did some

33:36Ronnie Karam: Everybody on this show does a lot of photo shoots Apparently I mean this friend group Everybody who sees her is like wow I know her from a photo shoot Oh did you do a photo shoot with her Oh yeah Charleston Fashion Oh really well she was at the photo shoot for my sewing company Oh really well I did a photo shoot with her At the Main Street Gravitutus Everyone's doing photo shoots All the time every day

33:57Ben Mandelker: All the time Well when you're a local model you gotta work So you know so uh craig is like yeah i was out with a girl from law school and she was out with austin and me and my friend from law school and then her and austin had like a really fun night together and he's like much more of like a locals man than i am like i feel like i recently like i haven't talked to someone in charleston for a while because i've learned to be like alone in switzerland but if i were to date someone would not be in trouble oh shut up craig you've dated everyone craig is

34:28Ronnie Karam: very correct cycle you know i'm like cosmopolitan i'm an international business owner so i don't really date locally but craig is just raising his his estimation of himself just like this is just

34:45Ben Mandelker: like more of like a local yokel type i'm like didn't austin finger lindsey hubbard like what's going on with that like wait did he figure they did something remember some of the fast food at the wedding i don't know that was carl the five finger all fingered lindsay sorry yes it was more just but austin and lindsay had some sort of hookup that was the whole thing and he had a relationship with sierra so he's not just local he goes to the hamptons yeah he gets he gets late

35:14Ronnie Karam: traveling as well craig's like i am good morning america austin is like hello charleston fashion week um so yeah he's kind of dissing him like wow i know that girl because she was a model for me but like i don't know her now or i'm not local he's like gross she's like sue simmons and i'm into like diane sawyer give me a barbara walters any day commercials here comes one right now

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37:04Ronnie Karam: Austin's like, Austin's talking to Madison. And Madison's like, so, by the way, you got a problem with me because you showed up in my outfit. And also, Sally told me, you got a problem with me. Sit down, Austin. Tell me what the fuck your problem is with me. And he's like, well, I mean, I wasn't sad with you. I was just confused because it's like you were tossing me under the bus at the reunion.

37:28Ben Mandelker: And she's like, well, you know what? At the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing. I'm staring right at it. Nothing. You just big, tall thing of nothing. But you should have just owned it. He's like, look, I'm not embarrassed of Sally in any way. Although, please, I do request that you use AI to smudge me out of any photos with her going forward. Thank you very much. Mastin's like yeah but like I think that you would have pursued her in a different light if she hadn't been with a lot of people that you'd already met it's like well yeah I think you're right I think you're right probably you are so yeah you are slut shaming her so then we see Sally talking to Vanita and she's like oh so you invited Allie and Vanita's like I've known her since she was 14 before you get mad at me that I invited someone that Austin went on dates with she's like oh well I just know that she went on a few dates with Austin and I think it's just like it's hard for me because like when I hear about him taking other girls on like nice dinner dates and stuff and like letting them cook for him and stuff and like why did he give her that chance and not me like now his reasonings don't even make sense and like I don't know what to tell you Sally I mean it sucks 100 % sucks because she now is facing a reality of how he sees her but also like yeah I don't know what

38:41Ronnie Karam: what do you want to say I won't force you to have this conversation again we've already we already did it for a for a full 45 minutes so i don't need to go over and vinita's already sick of hearing this too she's like wait are you asking me for advice because this is kind of like yeah that's why i come to you with this stuff and she's like stop giving time to a man who clearly doesn't respect you or like you she's like so you're saying it's gonna work

39:05Ben Mandelker: i'm so glad i put my face in that ice bucket this morning you're gonna be my best girl i'm

39:11Ronnie Karam: tell you that right now. I'm a maid of honor. Madison's like, listen, look at Sally over there. I can just tell she's talking about you. She would like you, Austin. Stop slut-shaming her. She's like, stop kissing her. If you don't want her, stop kissing her whenever she wants to be your lady. You know what I mean? He's like, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me just move on out.

39:38Ben Mandelker: I didn't know that. I didn't know she likes me. You are so dumb. But like, if she was like your wife and we could like all like double date, I would love that. No, no, Madison. No, no. We're not pushing this. No, we're not pushing an Austin-Sally marriage for double dating purposes. They have to go their separate corners and go their own ways. No, no.

39:55Ronnie Karam: Because Madison and Austin ultimately want to be with each other. Even if it's not sexually and as romantic partners, they are meant to just be hilarious together for the rest of their lives. And that's it. You get married to somebody, and I'll stay married to my boring guy, and I'll be happy with my boring guy. You be happy with your kind of boring girl, and we'll still go have fun golfing together, me and you.

40:20Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I still think often about the scene where Madison and Austin, when they were dating, took Hudson out to get ice cream. They went to some ice cream place where they got just like the biggest scoops of all time with ice cream. And I think about that ice cream all the time. And since we are going back to Charleston in January, even if it is January, I think I have to finally get to find that ice cream and eat it. Because I always think about their ice cream date all the time. And not because I'm thinking about their reactions. I just think about all the ice cream that they had. And then Hudson had this cone with just scoop after scoop after scoop.

40:56Ben Mandelker: It was just magical. Do you remember?

41:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, sometimes when I think of ice cream, I think of the melting part and the sad part of it. Like Shep.

41:09Ben Mandelker: Let's see what Shep's talking to Allie about. Can't have your ice cream and eat it too. You know what? It's going to melt.

41:18Ronnie Karam: You may want ice cream, but sometimes life is a rocky road. Go on!

41:26Ben Mandelker: that's why i will never date another new york super fudge chunk ever again

41:31Ronnie Karam: so shep says i never want to be a chubby hubby that's for sure i'm only interested in chally garcia's gosh i'm gonna go over here and talk to this thin mint so ali i saw you flirting with whitner garsh and she's like yeah so what i'm not allowed to flirt I'm single, okay? Well, Wittner's great. Here's the tea. We've kissed. I'd like to get to know Wittner. What about Austin? I mean, come on. I thought y 'all did a little mature thing there, right? Or eerie. You can talk to me.

42:06Ben Mandelker: I'm basically Dr. Freud. So then she's like, yeah, I went on some dates with him. It's like, yeah, but more than that, like, and you were like, we're going to continue with this. And then like physically, like, I want to know, like, were you with each other exclusively? Cause has that got like, and he had, had he gotten like, he said that like, you were like, whoa, you want more from him? But he was like, whoa, but like, I just got out of a relationship. It's too much. She's like, no, no, that's not what happened at all. I wasn't trying to like lock him down or anything. In fact, bring him over and we'll talk to him about it.

42:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Cause typical Austin is like, yeah, she was great, but she, you know, she wanted a commitment from me and i just couldn't give it to her yeah she just wants me so bad guys yeah every guy on the show make her seem like a stage five clinger yeah she's like um absolutely not okay so you want to bring him over here he's like no oh gosh there's a whole season to embarrass him we don't have to do it right now and so she's like well actually the thing is is that i did like him but then there was a lot going on between him and sally and she clearly likes him and i'm not that kind of girl to just stand in between some woman and the guy she likes.

43:17Ronnie Karam: Like, no. And that's not what I want for myself.

43:20Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she says the entire time that they were talking, Sally was blowing up his phone and she was like, I'm not doing this, you know? Oh, so you backed away? Oh, you must have mommy issues. Sorry, just doing the Freud thing. She's like, yeah, no, that exclusivity conversation, that never happened. So then we go over to Austin and talking to Sally. what's going on why he looks so sad she's like well i was just talking to vanita about how you went on some dates with ali but you wind and dine her and you gave her that opportunity and you didn't give it to me and i just like it just makes me wonder like do you hear what i'm saying i'm like but sally if you're gonna for like he you're he's he's gonna give you an answer you're not going to like to hear like just save yourself save yourself like that embarrassment and just move on to someone else because it's not going to be good when if you really push it it's not

44:19Ronnie Karam: going to be good yeah also if a man talks you like that ever and especially on national tv please just don't keep chasing him the very next episode like come on bro no so and also and this I do think this whole conversation is kind of gross because it's on one end, she's acting like she's putting up all these boundaries, but she doesn't mean any of this. And it's ultimately a flirting scene where she's like, you better not talk to me like that. He's like, I won't. You can't kiss me anymore. Any time you want. He's like, I won't. Yeah, you better not. You just can't have sex with me whenever you want.

44:55Ronnie Karam: He's like, no, I won't. I've certainly won't. It's like, yeah, you better not. Just waiting for them to start making out. Meanwhile, while everybody is watching them and molly's like oh my god i'm gonna try and read their lips and she didn't really get anything right in the conversation and i was like how can you be this bad at reading lips you don't even have to read the lips you just have to read the personalities they've already been doing this for two years it's the same conversation they've had for two years

45:24Ben Mandelker: molly's like okay here this hilarious she's saying oh my god let's play some hayden and i'm like no no we're gonna we're gonna play some beethoven what about hondle like molly they're not talking

45:34Ronnie Karam: about classical music oh i try my best i'll tell you what a saxophone isn't a stringed version of

45:41Ben Mandelker: a euphonium it's it's 100 none of those things so then sally's like i mean me and you obviously we had an intimate moment and then we were been drunk kissing and flirting and like people think that like we're together sometimes especially when i'm like here's my boyfriend and like i do feel like there needs to be a harsh line for us so that like i don't get my heart broken okay that's good

46:06Ronnie Karam: and so craig is like start now start now start with the start with the harsh line now please do us all a huge fucking favor so charlie comes over to the friend group and yeah she's that's what that's it so charlie goes over to the friend group and she's like you guys it's me charlie remember me like yeah so i get no attention just because i'm dating that loser from southern hospital whatever the point is like sally says oh my god you know i'm just confused like austin says sally says if austin wants to date her she's all in but i'm like austin doesn't want to date you and craig's like yeah and then rod said she was getting frustrated that she was hooking up with other people and i was like well either date or don't what's going on with you two

46:55Ben Mandelker: yeah and so uh that rodrigo's like well i mean she was like austin was frustrated that she was homie hopping it's like but like if you're not dating someone why do you care why they're hooking up like if just saying i don't care who a girl is hooking up with if i don't have feelings yes you do you're the biggest gossip in town craig that needs to happen we need to have a hardcore intervention and craig's like well she looks like she's saying it i'm like i don't understand the intervention to be like sally you need to move on from austin because i support yeah i think so

47:29Ronnie Karam: like get some self-respect already for christ's sake so madison tells us listen sally's whole deal with austin honestly i can't figure it out i mean how are you going to have a man to respect you if you don't even respect yourself and i'm going to tell you one thing i'm going to teach my daughter to speak for herself and never be taken advantage of and she will have a voice and she will never be a pansy little bitch there you're welcome i thought well as a pansy little

47:55Ben Mandelker: bitch can i just say you go girl yeah i love that okay okay so sally tell me what your boundary is and then i'll accept it or i think i think then i'll accept it or not accept it um wait that's I don't know how a boundary works.

48:13Ronnie Karam: How romantic.

48:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So Sally is like, she's like, well, the harsh line would be like, no kissing. Okay. No making out. That's the boundary. No making out. No touching. Just hugging. Okay. Wow. Okay. I take the pledge. All right. No touching. Starting right after this. Boop. Hey, you just touched me. Did I? What about this? You just touched me again. Oh, sorry. I told you I wasn't going to follow all the boundaries.

48:41Ronnie Karam: no more kissing when you're drunk okay and i won't kiss you neither he's like okay are we good i love you so then uh he walks away from her and he goes over to ally and he's like wow ally how are you you look nice i will not marry you then she's like um yeah can we talk for a second by the way because shep came to me and he told me that you didn't want anything to do with me because i wouldn't sleep with you i mean that's a problem holy moly by the way that's not exactly what shep said uh which made me really like ali it's like oh she already knows how to twist it i love it yeah yeah exactly well i guess we'll see how this plans plays out over the next 13 weeks we'll see how this plandemic's out that's for sure

49:35Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously Everyone, thanks for being here and listening Thanks to everyone again who came out to see us in Texas And Ronnie, good luck Good luck flying back to LA I hope you are able to take off and land So, good luck to you

49:52Ronnie Karam: Well, good luck to you If we're not here Monday morning You all know why I'm stuck in Texas somewhere Trying to get home to Bueller

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