In short
The episode traces tea’s origins in China, its spread to Britain, and how British demand shaped global trade and conflict, including the Opium Wars and Robert Fortune’s theft of tea plants. It also covers tea processing (leaf vs broken leaf, fannings, dust), British tea culture (Pepys, breakfast tea, tea breaks), and later plantation shifts to India and Kenya.
Guests
Professor Yang Wen-chung, Professor of Chinese History at Manchester University, specializing in Ming and Qing trade and economic history; Hugh Dennis, award-winning comedian/presenter/actor/impressionist and writer, host of The Great British Dig.
Key claims
Tea likely began with Chinese herbal medicine; “cha” traveled overland while “tea” traveled by sea; Britain’s silver shortage led to opium exports to China; Robert Fortune smuggled Chinese tea shrubs to India, producing Assam black tea; by 1923, 53% of the world’s tea was consumed in Britain.
Notable examples
Han Dynasty taxation records; tea bricks for Mongolia/Russia; Tumu crisis (1449); Catherine of Braganza (Charles II) and Samuel Pepys; Commutation Act (1784) reducing tea tax; Opium Wars (1839–42, 1856–61); Fortune’s disguise and plant theft; Kenya tea plantations starting in 1903.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Cultural Significance of Tea
1:06 to 4:00
Discussion about the important role tea plays in British culture and beyond.
“Hello and welcome to You're Dead to Me, the Radio 4 comedy podcast that takes history seriously.”
Origins and Varieties of Tea
4:00 to 10:00
Exploration of the origins of tea, its plant species, and types of tea.
“But that brings us on to the first segment of the podcast.”
Tea Myths and Early Consumption
10:00 to 14:00
Discussion on myths surrounding tea and how it was first consumed in history.
“Yellow emperor, he's sitting there boiling water under the tree and then the leaves drops and then here's the tea.”
Exploring the Flavors of Tea
14:00 to 15:00
Discover the various ingredients that can enhance tea's flavor.
“So people could boil the tea and let the leaves unfurl.”
Tea Bricks: A Unique Preservation Method
15:00 to 17:00
Learn about the historical significance and usage of tea bricks in trade.
“There was also a thing called tea bricks.”
The Conflicted Relations Between China and Mongolia
17:00 to 20:20
Understand how tea influenced the complex relationship between China and Mongolia.
“And that's why, you know, China has the Great War.”
Tea's Arrival in Europe
20:20 to 23:10
Investigate the journey of tea from Asia to Europe and its early popularity.
“Hugh, do you know when tea arrives in Europe?”
The Rise of Tea in British Society
23:10 to 26:40
Explore how tea became a staple in British culture and society by the 18th century.
“Because the coffee house is more of a social gathering place.”
Introduction to Tariffs
28:00 to 28:13
Explore the history and impact of tariffs on trade.
“Tariffs have just been around forever, haven't they?”
Britain's Tea Trade Problems
29:09 to 29:58
Discuss the challenges Britain faced in acquiring tea from China.
“But the obvious problem is that what is Britain going to buy their tea with?”
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The Silver Dilemma
29:58 to 31:05
Examine China's demand for silver and Britain's trade deficits.
“That's when Lord McCartney was sent to China to open the door for trade.”
Britain's Opium Trade
31:05 to 31:47
Understand Britain's desperate trade of opium for tea.
“What would you offer on behalf of the British industry, you know, manufacturing?”
The Opium Wars
31:47 to 33:33
Learn about the wars triggered by the opium trade.
“So, Yang, I mean, how does the opium trade, which then leads to an opium war, how does...”
Sourcing Tea from India
33:33 to 36:12
Discover how Britain sought to cultivate tea independently.
“in order to buy more tea from China that made them resort to grow opium in India and sell them to China.”
Robert Fortune's Espionage
36:12 to 40:12
Explore the story of Robert Fortune and his tea smuggling mission.
“So the European country got its own version of Hong Kong, essentially.”
Transformation of Tea in India
40:12 to 42:00
Learn how tea cultivation transformed in India and affected exports.
“So the tea plants were brought to India, to Assam.”
The Rise of Tea Culture in Britain
42:00 to 45:08
Learn how tea became an integral part of British culture and its economic impact.
“Or, importantly, 7 ,000 large African elephants.”
Tea's Global Journey and Ethical Concerns
45:08 to 47:21
Explore the global journey of tea and the ethical issues surrounding its trade.
“right in the Victorian era there was this sort of amazing movement towards improvement wasn't there?”
Modern Perspectives on Tea Drinking
47:21 to 50:58
Discover the evolution of tea drinking practices and their cultural significance.
“You're so like, why are people doing this?”
Quiz: Testing Tea Knowledge
50:58 to 55:54
Test your knowledge on tea through a fun and informative quiz.
“Well, I don't think I've ever been at the slow tea.”
Transcript
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0:30up at Whole Foods Market. In a world where swords were sharp. And hygiene was actually probably better than you think it is. Two fearless historians. Me, Matt Lewis. And me, Dr. Eleanor Janaga, dive headfirst into the mud, blood, and very strange customs of the Middle Ages. So for plagues, crusades, and Viking raids, and plenty of other things that don't rhyme, subscribe to Gone Medieval from History Hit wherever you get your podcasts.
1:06Hello and welcome to You're Dead to Me, the Radio 4 comedy podcast that takes history seriously. My name is Greg Jenner. I'm a public historian, author and broadcaster. And today we are bustling back to the 19th century and raising the temperature to boiling point as we learn all about the history of Britain's favourite hot bevy, tea. And joining our time-travelling tea party are two very special guests. in History Corner. She's Professor of Chinese History at Manchester University, where she specialises in Ming and Qing era trade and economic history. She's the author of a number of books, including the recent Railway Imperialism in China, a political biography.
1:41And of course, you'll remember her from our lovely, funny episode on the Dowager Empress Sushi. It's Professor Yang Wen-chung. Welcome back, Yang Wen. Thank you. And in Comedy Corner, he's an award-winning comedian, presenter, actor, impressionist and writer. What a CV. You'll have heard him all over Radio 4 on programmes like The Now Show and all over the TV on TV shows like Mock the Week, Not Going Out, Huffington News for You, Taskmaster, Fleabag and the brilliant sitcom Outnumbered. He's also the presenter of The Great British Dig, History in Your Back Garden. It's Hugh Dennis. Welcome, Hugh.
2:12Thank you very much. Lovely to be here. What a CV. You've done all sorts. I have done all sorts and there seems to be absolutely no sort of common theme in any of it. Well, funny. Well, funny, hopefully. Yeah. Are you sort of a big fan of history as a general rule? Do you like history books? Do you like history programs? You've presented history programs? Yeah. And I'm a man of a certain age who's become fascinated by history. You walk into bookshops and immediately... Well, it happens to everyone. And it's sort of... I think it genuinely does happen to everyone. And I was thinking yesterday that my dad, who also loved history, you know, sort of men of a certain age get fascinated by their own family tree, don't they?
2:55So he started researching the family tree and he did an amazing bit of work on the family tree and he got us back to about 1635. He got the denises back to 1635 and he presented this chart to me and my brother of all the denises who've ever existed that anyone can find. And we both looked at him and thought, that is amazing. It was a vast thing. And then I looked at my own date of birth and he'd got it wrong. It was only a year. But it seemed significant. And what about tea? Are you a tea drinker? You asked for coffee on the way in this morning. Well, it's a time of day thing for me. So I have coffee for, I have two cups of coffee a day and the rest of the day I'm drinking tea.
3:35Okay. And it's slightly too early for tea for me. Is it too early for tea, Yang Wang? No, I don't drink coffee, so I only drink tea. Okay. So coffee is tea for me in the morning. No alternatives to tea? Water? No water, juice, yeah. Okay, all right. But no coffee? No. Never. So, what do you know?
4:00But that brings us on to the first segment of the podcast. It's called the So What Do You Know? This is where I have a go at guessing what you, our lovely listener or viewer, hello, what you might know about today's subject. And you definitely know what tea is. Everyone knows what tea is. After all, in the UK, it's estimated that 76 million cups of tea are drunk every single day. And that's just me and my wife. So tea is consumed all over the world in a variety of ways. You'll surely have heard of green tea, black tea, matcha, oolong, and now, of course, bubble. I don't know what it is, but I've heard about it.
4:31And in terms of its history, maybe you're imagining Regency ladies sipping tea from their delicate bone china in their drawing rooms. Perhaps the elaborate tea ceremonies of imperial China in Japan. Perhaps you went with pop culture memories of the Mad Hatter Tea Party in Alice in Wonderland. or the famous Southern sweet tea drunk in steel magnolias, which Dolly Parton, of course, called the house wine of the South. And also, you can drink tea in space, as Captain Jean-Luc Picard famously ordered, tea, Earl Grey, hot. So, when was tea first drunk? How did it make its way to Britain? And is the nation's favourite drink really made from dust?
5:09Let's find out. Right, Professor Yang Wen will start with the basics. Tea is from a plant. Indeed. What plant? It's called Camellia senesis and it's a shrub, basically. Okay. A perennial and it grows in probably 1 ,000 to 7 ,000 above sea level. So that's a wide range. Feet or mesas? Feet, yeah. So some of the shrubs have yellow flowers. Some don't. Depends on the species because there's variations in between. And if you go to southern China, it's all over the place. Really? Yes, it's all over the place. There are different species within the tea family. So it's not growing in lowlands. It needs height.
6:02It depends. It depends because the higher you get, then you get, you know, in the mountains, you get mist. So that mist moisture makes a difference to the tea. Then if you grow on a low land, you get a lot of sunshine. Of course, the soil makes a difference as to the potency of the plant. So it depends. Mostly it's on sloping mountains if you go and visit China. And is it like vines? Does it need south-facing slopes? Yeah, because you face the sun and then you get the sunshine. And the moisture in the mountains, the mist and rainwater also nourishes it. So that's why you have green tea and yellow tea and white tea and black tea.
6:56Black tea is red tea, basically. It gets a lot of sunshine. Black tea is red tea? Yeah. Yeah. Why don't they call it red tea? I don't know. Yeah. You've said black, white, yellow. And there's also oolong. Oolong and pura. Yeah. Oh, what's pura? Pura is more famous in Yunnan in southern China, close to Burma and Vietnam. Oolong is more in southeast China, like Fujian, across from Taiwan. Taiwan has a lot of oolong too. Okay. Yeah. So it's regional variation. So there are six types of this plant, six types of tea. Yeah, you could say that. Okay. Yeah, green, black, you call black, we call red. And then yellow, white.
7:40Yellow is very rare. White is also rare. Okay. Yeah, and then the regional variations. But there are more variations than that. Lovely. And that doesn't include the royalty. And what about all the versions that we have? Sort of like, I'm desperately trying to think, like an Earl Grey or something. Where does that fit into those? Look, your Earl Grey comes from Africa. I love your Earl Grey. And it's pirated from China to India and then from India to Africa. The tea we drink in Britain are cut into pieces. That is not the way to drink tea. You should see the leaves. And plus what Robert Fortune stole from China.
8:29It's not the best tea. We'll get to that. We'll get to all of that. Okay, so it's quite confusing. But only when you drink the whole thing, you get the whole ritual, you get the body, the whole thing, not chopped. No, yeah. And the tea bags, yeah, it's too bad. And the processing also breaks down into, there's leaf. Yes. Then there's broken leaf. Yes. And then there's two more. Yes, there's fannings, there's dust. Yeah. So the leftovers. Okay. Sorry to say that. So leaf, broken leaf, fannings and dust. We probably wouldn't drink that much tea if it was called dust. Well, there are various, you know, fairly popular forms of dust, I think.
9:15But coffee is dust. How would you strain the dust? I mean, how do you stop it? Because dust must presumably have, you know, you must get bits in your mouth. Yeah, you can sift it. You can sift it. But in China, we don't drink dust. We drink leaves. We're doing it wrong, Hugh. You don't, you... Yeah, but I didn't mention dust, I didn't. Yeah, yeah. But who drinks dust then? We do. You do, yeah. This is what we do. We drink the dusty fannings. Yeah. Which sounds like a kind of country and western singer, doesn't it? Yeah, you put it in a bag that, yeah. Okay, so we're drinking the dust, we're drinking the fannings.
9:52Yang Wen, can we start with some history? When did, you know, people in China first experiment with dunking these leaves into hot water? because that's the process of creating teas. You take a plant and you boil it. Yeah. There's a myth. Yellow emperor, he's sitting there boiling water under the tree and then the leaves drops and then here's the tea. But I think in reality, in history, I think the origins has something to do with Chinese herbal medicine because Chinese people believe every herb, every plant, every grass, Everything, every vegetable has medicinal effects. And tea was known for keeping you awake and for making your mind clear.
10:36And it was said to cure a lot of problems like stomach ache, you know, kidney stone, whatever. So I think the real origin has something to do with history, medicine, rather than the emperor sitting there, the tree leaps. We have an equivalent one, don't we? We have Isaac Newton sitting and being hit on the head by an apple. That's true. But he didn't invent cider at that point. And he discovered gravity. Well, that's probably more important. I don't know. I mean, the Yellow Emperor, we're talking four and a half thousand years ago. Way back in the Bronze Age. The story goes that Wind just blew some tea leaves into his hot water.
11:14And he was like, hmm, this is tasty. Would you keep drinking if Wind randomly blew a shrub into your mug? No, I don't think. I do genuinely quite often think about how many people died finding the edible bits of plants. Yeah. Because thousands of people must have died going, why don't you, these potatoes look nice, why don't you have the leaves? I'll have the body of it. And then, you know, there must have been an element of trial and error, but I don't think I would, no, I think I'd go and get a strainer of some sort and make a new cup. Yes, I agree. If something blew into my mug, I wouldn't go, maybe this is delicious.
11:49There is another myth about how tea was made, or rather how tea made its way, from China to Japan. I mean, Yang Men, it's quite a dramatic myth. Yeah. We have a Buddhist monk trying to meditate. Right, keep himself awake. So he keeps drinking tea. Buddhism went to Japan from China. So the, yeah, during the Tang Dynasty. So most of the Buddhist monks will have to come to China to be trained. And so that's where he learned to drink tea. And to keep himself awake, keep praying all the time, he would cut his eyelids. So that's the myth. He would cut his eyelids. Yeah, he sliced them off. Yeah. And the myth goes that after seven years of trying to be sleepless in devotion, he cut off his eyelids so he wouldn't fall asleep.
12:34He threw them to the ground. And that is where a tea plant miraculously grew. Yeah, that's a myth. He had seeds in his eyelids. Slicing off your eyelids. It's an eye-opening history. But there we go. So, Yangem, you've said that tea was regularly consumed during the Western Han Dynasty. So Han Dynasty, where is that in history? Is that sort of the first emperor? You know, are we talking? Yeah, right after. So it's 2 ,000 years ago, 2 ,200 years ago. I think the real history probably existed before then. It's because after the first emperor, we have records. We have history keeping records so that then you know.
13:13We also know that they taxed government, taxed tea. So that's why we know, say, at least it definitely began to, you know, to be very popular during the Qinghan dynasty. Yeah. Okay. So that's our earliest historical record, but we think it's older. Yeah. And how are people consuming it? Are they putting it in a mug and drinking it or are they chewing the leaves? You know, it's boiled in a big, big pan. Just everybody use bowl and, you know, normally you use a bowl and you drink the whole bowl. But you can chew the leaves, can't you? You can, you can. So yeah, it's, yeah, it's, but never, you never chop them into slices.
13:46No, yeah. And you would be absolutely horrified. Chinese would be absolutely horrified that we put milk in. Oh, don't even mention that. You've done it now, Hugh. Yeah, because the milk and sugar makes something else. It's no longer tea. No, I still don't understand that. I came to this country in 1996. It's like, what is he doing? I'm so sorry. So people could boil the tea and let the leaves unfurl. They could chew it. Would they add anything else? Would they flavour the tea? Could you put in other herbs? Yes, you can. You can put scallion. Scallion, okay. Yeah, you can put ginger. Right. You can put orange juice or anything because it's like today, you know.
14:34That's all fine, but milk? Yeah. No, no, no. Scallion. What is scallion, by the way? Scallion. It's the Chinese onion. Oh, an onion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very... You can put onion in your tea, but milk is a no-no. Yeah, it's scallion. And it kills cold too, you know, cold. When you have a cold, you put ginger, scallion and tea, boil them really hot. You drink it and you sweat out and that's it. There was also a thing called tea bricks. Yes. I mean, in my head, I'm imagining just a brick of tea, like literally just a brick of tea. What was a tea brick? Yeah, because large quantities of tea were sent to Mongolia and Russia and they need to stay good.
15:17So they pack them into bricks. Sometimes it's around. It's like a cake. Sometimes it's bricks. It's still doing so today. Yeah. The bricks going to Russia and Mongolia, Central Asia, is still the same. That's great. And they'd be completely dry. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you accidentally put water on it, it just explodes in the truck. And then they go on the camels, the Silk Road. Yeah. The Silk Road is really T-Road. It doesn't sound as good though, does it? Yeah. But then you, yeah. So you've mentioned Mongolia there. So you've mentioned that. So obviously the Mongols nomadic tribes, they become tea drinkers.
15:55Yeah. And that produces conflicts. There are sort of wars fought over tea or tea is involved in these wars. Can you tell us about these? Yeah. You know, you could say tea defined China's relationship with Mongolia and Central Asia in pre-modern times because what they needed is they, because they're not sedentary. They travel and they set up their goods and they don't have the luxuries of a sedentary life. So they need tea, they need iron pots, things, they need silk. So all these things can only be gotten from China. So you need to have a good relationship with China in order to get those things and then go further to Russia, to Central Asia, to the Arabs.
16:42But the problem, so it defined China's relations with her neighbors to the north, because if relations break down, then there's no tea. And then the Mongols, you know, resort plundering and making incursions into Chinese interior to get tea, to get silk into it. So it's been a problem for China. And that's why, you know, China has the Great War. China built the Great War to keep them out. Because they wanted tea. They wanted tea. Yeah, they wanted tea. And so Mongolia is too far north, presumably, is it? Yeah. For to grow tea. Yeah, because it's Gobi Desert, there's no water. Well, there's water, oasis at places.
17:25But there's no mist. There's no lovely mountain mist. No, no, yeah. So it's too hot, Mongolia. It's too hot. The tea leaves will die, yeah. So it's a problem, yeah. And define China's relations. So it's interesting, well, later on, define China's relations with West. And do you know what they were swapping tea for? The Mongols? No. What grows in Mongolia? What would you have? Exactly. What's Mongolia famous for that the China doesn't have? Well, I don't know. It's not rare earth metals. Let me tell you that. No, it's not that. It's not microchips. No, I don't know. Think Shrgar. Horses. Horses, do they?
18:01It's what horses for tea. Yeah. There is a trade. Yeah. It's butter system. We give you this amount of tea. You give me this amount of horses. And it was the same with Tibet. So with all the neighbours to the west, so it exists to the north and to the southwest, it's because the Tibetans and the Mongols and the Central Asians, they needed tea, but they have horses we don't have. Why don't you have horses? Why no horses in China? Or not enough horses? Yeah, because it's agricultural, rice-growing, wheat-growing civilization. It's not the steppies, you know, Mongols. So there's a... Not hordes of people fighting on wars.
18:43No, no, we're settled. Yeah, yeah. So there's a famous crisis, the Tumu crisis of 1449. This is a huge military conflict. Yeah. And tea is the cause or it's one of the causes? It's one of the causes. Yeah. So at times the Mongols come to harass China and break into the Great War and harass people and take rice and take grains and take tea, whatever. And the Chinese emperor decided, okay, I'm going to close the door, you know, the Great Wall. So the Great Wall is really hard to mount with the horses. So the Grand National. Yeah. So the Mongols couldn't get their tea. I mean, they're frustrated too, you know.
19:24So there was a big war with the emperor leading Chinese, probably 50 ,000 soldiers. and they were trapped by the Mongols and, you know, 50 ,000 people plus the emperor was captured as well. And then since then on, they cut off relations and then they resumed as well because it's not a long-term solution to fight. Right. So you have to have a system in place and that system is open the door. the Mongols and the Russians can come and buy tea and then you can buy their horses. There we go. Yeah. It's interesting to fight over something which is so good for you as well, isn't it? Well, look at what the British will do in the end.
20:10Well, yes, we'll get to the Brits. Yeah, yeah. But also, I mean, tea gives you that slight caffeine hit. So when you're deprived it, you're like, I want the tea, where's my tea? Where's my tea, yeah. Where's my brick of tea? Yeah. Hugh, do you know when tea arrives in Europe? Not long after, I believe. When were we talking about 14? We were talking about the 15th century. We were, yeah. 1600, maybe. That's pretty good. That's a decent guess. Yeah, I mean, Yang Wen, what's our earliest source? And who are the European countries receiving tea, first of all? Yeah. According to research, we think that it's the Portuguese who first, you know, procured tea from Asia because they were the first one to settle in Macau in 1535.
20:56and then the Spanish in 1571 in the Philippines. So we think it's Catherine de Braganza, the wife of Charles II, who probably bought tea from Portugal to Britain. The other source is the Dutch East India Company as well. And they were in Indonesia. So I think it's probably most likely Portugal and the Dutch because the Dutch were the big company that supplies Britain was tea until the British East India Company came to take the lead. And the interesting thing about tea is it sort of, I mean, there are lots and lots of names for it that are very, very similar, but there are two types of name. There's primarily cha and then there's tea.
21:41Yeah, tea. How did those two names evolve and grow? Because it's interesting that one product has two names depending on where you are in the world. Yeah, it's a very interesting question because if you look at Mongolian and the Russian, Turkish Arabic words, Persian words, they're all cha, che, cha. But if you look at the English words, it's tea. So you could say by overland, it's cha, tea, right? And by overseas, the maritime route, it's tea. It's lovely, isn't it? I've actually written a little nursery rhyme to help you remember, Hugh. So if it travels by car, it is cha. If it goes by the sea, it is tea.
22:19If you're waving bye-bye to a shipment of chai, the land ships are camels, you see. That's beautiful. Thank you. That's brilliant. So Catherine de Braganza is a Portuguese royal who marries the King of England and Scotland, Charles II. That's how we maybe get into Britain. That's in the mid-1600s, 1660s. And we then get mentioned in Samuel Pepys' diary. Yes. So we start to see it percolate into ordinary life. Pepys is quite a rich man. He's not that ordinary, but it's no longer just the royals drinking it. Yeah. I read his diary. He said, oh, I'm just going to put everything done and have a side and have some tea.
22:55Yeah. So you must be having really tea, yeah. But when did coffee arrive? Similar time. Yeah. We did an episode on the history of coffee, if listeners want to check that out, but it's a similar sort of mid-1600s. And that's when the coffee houses started. Yeah, exactly right. So coffee at that point seems to be more popular. I think that's fair, isn't it? Because the coffee house is more of a social gathering place. Yeah. Tea drinking is a bit more high status. And more private. More private. Yeah, you drink it at home, with friends and family having breakfast. Yeah, I would say so. And by the mid-18th century, tea had become the primary drink of breakfast for the middle classes.
23:34Do you know what it replaced? Well, it wouldn't have been, well, boiled water. Beer. It is. Yeah, ale, a light ale. You know, obviously people weren't getting completely drunk for breakfast, but they were drinking a light ale. But by the mid-1700s, a lot of people are drinking tea, which means that it's accessible. It's not cheap, but it's available. And so when do we get direct trade between China and Britain? You know, we've obviously got these European merchants delivering tea via their ports. But when does Britain, when do France or these Western powers, when do they start to actually open negotiations with China itself?
24:10So what we call the China trade began probably, I'd say, 1530s, 1580s, 70s, 80s. Then by 1600s, we got the Dutch East India Company went there and went to Indonesia and opened a factory, a trading house. And then the British followed and the French and the Flemish and the Swedish, everybody came. And they, in the beginning, because they couldn't go to China, you see, that's the problem, the source. It's always the source. And these East India companies settled in the coast of Southeast Asia, like Malaya, you know, Philippines and Indonesia. And what they did is they relied on Chinese merchants from China to bring tea to them in the 1500s, 1600s.
24:59By the 1700s, they began to go to China, to Canton, you know, the port for Hong Kong. They buy directly from Chinese merchants. So that's when the trade... And why was that? Was that to guarantee the supply? So you weren't having to compete with anyone else? Yeah, because then you're closer to the source. And it's not necessarily cheaper, but it's cheaper. And also, it's coming from the country where she should be coming from. So they're dealing with government merchants. From 1757, that was the rule that you can only go to China. And so there were a bunch of foreigners setting up their factories.
25:40We call it the 13 factories. 13 companies like the British Institute and all those companies there and then they were just buying a lot of tea from China. When does the Cutty Sark come into it? That's a bit later isn't it? It is later. I think that's 19th century. I think so. It's a very fast ship for getting that tea back home. So 1757 the British East India Company is importing 12 million pounds of tea per year. That's a lot of tea. Weight. I think it weighs isn't it? I think we're talking in terms of a tonnage although we're using pounds. It's hard to imagine. And so there's even issues of legality, if you will.
26:15There's an act passed in 1784 called the Commutation Act. It is related to tea. What problem was it trying to solve, Hugh? Passing off. Okay, so you think sort of dodgy black market or... Someone chopping up dandelions. Drying them, sticking them in a block. It's more to do with taxation. Because tax had been applied at 119%. And this was leading to tea smuggling. So you're right about kind of criminality. Yeah. And they drop it to 12.5%, which is much more reasonable. Yeah. So suddenly the tax rate goes from more than 100 % down to 12%, and that means that it's more affordable to import? Yes.
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26:54And also by this time, by the late 18th century, the trade with China was well established. So tea was coming out regularly from China. There was no war, you know, nothing stops it. And who's imposing the tariff? Britain. British government. Yeah. It's British government because it's huge money. You know, even in historical archives, even in Manchester and in Cambridge, the archives, you can see a lot of smuggling. Really? Yes. Danes, British, Dutch, they smuggle tea to Britain. How are they smuggling it? What are they doing? They smuggle it to Britain because knowing that, because the Danes know that tea wasn't selling as in Denmark.
27:37So they sold it to Britain. Even in Manchester in the... I wonder if the Danes get any tea. Are they Thai people or tea people? Are they coming over land? Yeah, because they have East India Company. The East India Company is quite big. Danish and Swedish are quite big. Okay. Oh, yeah. So presumably they're going by ship then. Yes. Okay, so they're tea drinkers. Tea drinkers. Probably tea drinkers. Tea smugglers. Tariffs is interesting, isn't it? Tariffs have just been around forever, haven't they? Well, yeah. I mean, tariffs are... They're back. They're back. They're back.
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29:08So it's an issue of national security, if you will, Hugh. Yes. I'm loving these, by the way. Thank you. I mean, you've got loads more to come. Puns a go-go. But the obvious problem is that what is Britain going to buy their tea with? Yeah. Because the Chinese government's getting more and more rich. Yeah. In fact, by the 18th century, I mean, you made the case when we spoke before, you said China was the richest country on the planet. Yeah, with silver. So what happens, it's the same case with Mongolia, right? The Mongols wanted tea. We want their horse. With the British, you want my tea? I don't want anything you have.
29:43Yeah. One of the missionaries, actually, Robert Hart said that Chinese people have the best food, rice, most healthy drink, tea, and the best clothing material, silk. They don't need anything from the British. So what happens by 1793? That's when Lord McCartney was sent to China to open the door for trade. Paul McCartney? That'd be lovely, wouldn't it? I don't think he's that old. No, Lord McCartney, yeah. So what happens is after more than a century of trade with Europe, remember Britain was not the only country there. Sure. And they were not just buying tea. They were buying porcelain, they were buying silk, and they were buying loads of things.
30:24So after more than a century of tea trade, of trade with Europe, China, because China only took silver or gold as payment. You want to buy tea, you pay gold. If you don't have gold, you pay silver. So can you imagine, it starts with Vasco de Gama, who sailed across in 1497, until 1793, all the Europeans coming, and Americans too, coming to China, buying stuff, and China only took silver as payment. So by the late 18th century, China had sucked in all the world's supply of silver. And China is not buying anything from Britain. Right. That's a problem. Yeah. That's a problem. What would you offer on behalf of the British industry, you know, manufacturing?
31:11Well, I was then offering milk. I mean, we do. We do. We have lots of it. It's really nice. I don't know quite. I mean, what do we have? I mean, you could, they certainly don't need any mineral stuff, do they? No. And the coal. I mean, our primary medieval economy was wool. We don't need wool. So, woolly jumpers, we've got some lovely knitwear. No. Yeah. So, actually, the one thing we can offer, unfortunately, Yang Wen, is opium. Yeah. Yeah. Which we've got from elsewhere. Exactly. Yes. We're not growing opium in Lancashire. Well, you know, only under certain very special conditions. Yeah. So, Yang, I mean, how does the opium trade, which then leads to an opium war, how does...
31:57Which is the tea war. Which is a tea war. Right, okay. Yeah. So the opium war is a tea war. Yeah, it's for tea. Britain's desire is a tea. Because we're forcing opium, because it's the only thing they'll trade. Yeah. So it was the Portuguese and the Dutch who saw that the Chinese were buying opium and they were paying with silver. But at that time, 1790s, you look at the Dutch Eastern Company archive, It's a few chests. I mean, few chests is nothing, right? So you could say the sin of Britain is you skyrocketed that export to China so that the Chinese would pay the opium with silver. So it's been grown in India and exported by the British East India Company to China.
32:41To China. To buy tea. They also bought from Turkey. Right. So there's Turkish opium and Indian opium. and the Indian opium is rated better because it's more potent when it's stronger. So large quantities of opium went into China in the early 19th century, 1810s, 1820s. By 1830s, you get people dying on the street, people going bankrupt because they're addicted. So there's their wives, their children, and local governments go bankrupt. Of course, the emperor had to do something, and therefore he declares war on opium. As opposed to Britain. Exactly. The war on drugs. Yeah. So it's Britain's desperation for silver in order to buy more tea from China that made them resort to grow opium in India and sell them to China.
33:44Why can't... I mean, if they've got so much silver, Why do they need to sell anything? China. Yeah. No? Yeah. They don't. They just stop selling. Yeah. They are charity. So, you know, the emperor in his letter saying to Lord McCartney, Lord McCartney representing King George III and the East India Company, went to China in 1793 and said, please open your doors to free trade. And the emperor says, free trade? What free trade? They just want to buy more tea? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm very kind to you, you know. I allow my people to sell some tea to you. It's like a charity. Charity. Yeah. Yeah.
34:24Again. Sorry. That's fantastic. But what's interesting for me there is that if we sell them opium, they pay us in silver as opposed to tea. So where they sell us silver and then we use the silver immediately afterwards to buy the tea. Yeah. Later on, some people bought it. You give me tea, I give you opium. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so we get the first Opium War of 1839 to 1842. And then there's a treaty. Yeah. Treaty of 19, yeah. But we then have a second war in 1856 to 1861, which is a five-year war. So this is a huge crisis in Chinese history. And we talked about it in our Daoiger and Prisci episode.
35:06Yeah. Is it Britain alone declaring war or are these all the European and American powers? Yeah. The first Opium War is Britain alone. And after the first war, Opium War, 1839, 1842, Britain got Hong Kong and have a, you know, pied -à-terre there. And then... That's what it turned out to be, isn't it? Yeah, so you can have a base and you can go off trade. Guess what? You know, if Britain gets something there, the French is there, oh no, I get something. And the Russians and the Americans. So the problem with after the first open war is it didn't solve the problem of Britain's desire for tea independence.
35:46But is that why we then started sourcing it from India? Is that when we've... That's a bit later. So after the first open war in 1843, Robert Fortune was sent to China because Britain wanted to be independent on tea. And it's that independence, desire for independence, that, you know, led to Robert Fortune's exploration in China and also led to the Second Opium War. Is the Opium War why they were all the concession ports up the Chinese coast? Oh, yeah, the treaties, yeah. Yeah, all of them. So the European country got its own version of Hong Kong, essentially. Oh, yeah, everybody. Germany was calling for its own Macau and Hong Kong, French.
36:25So in the end, by the late 19th century, China was kind of, in Chinese words, sliced like a watermelon because every European country in America has to have a treaty, have a port somewhere where they can live alone and in their enclave have their own law. That's where it began. Right, yeah. So let's talk about Robert Fortune then. So he is a Scottish botanist. He's a collector for the Royal Horticultural Society in London and he's sent on an espionage mission to China. You have been in a James Bond film. I have, yeah, I get shot in the head. I was going to say, you're a scientist. I mean, I think I deserved it, to be honest.
37:03There you go. What would your James Bond title be if it was espionage based on tea? I think I would just be called Tea. Tea? I mean, it's all that, isn't it? Q, M, I'd just be Tea. Tea? Oh, nice. That would be your code name. Yeah. Agent Tea. Agent Tea. What does he do? Mr. Tea. Mr. Tea. That's a very different film. Yeah. Pity the fool. But espionage is the word here, Yang Wen. I mean, Hugh, do you know how he gets tea out of the country? given that he's sent in as a spy? Well, presumably by boat, does he? Somewhere. Which way does he go? And how does he get hold of it? Because these plants are carefully defended.
37:40They are carefully guarded. So how is Robert Fortune smuggling out? He's disguised it. Presumably he's got to cut it by night. Oh, okay. And then disguise it as something else, like rice or something. Put it into different, not put it into bricks. who knows it puts it into bales of rice that's a nice guess and then maybe not that far off he disguises himself it's a crucial thing right so Robert Fortune does some unfortunate disguising as a Chinese person right so he was commissioned by the London Royal Horticultural Society and he went to China you know in 1850s 1840s you're not supposed to go to China, you know, the treaty ports like Shanghai you can go, but only in the British, you know, settlement or international settlement.
38:37You're not to venture beyond because you get killed. And there's countless cases of missionaries being killed. So you have to disguise yourself. You know, in the Qing dynasty, men wore a queue. Yeah. And with the shaved forehead. So a long ponytail? Yeah, long ponytail. So what you can do is you can buy a fake one. Right. And draped over you and with a hat, you know, with a hat, as if you're wearing a hat. So you can, if you don't want to shave the forehead. So you wear a hat and then with the cue. So he disguised himself and he went to China in Southern China, West China, and he stole, stole, literally stealing a lot of tea shrubs.
39:25I read his memoirs and he's very funny because he looks around, anybody looking at me? But there's nobody because he's in the mountains. Who's going to look at you? So he's just taking plants. He's taking individual plants from which you can breed. Yeah. No, he had the rickshaw carriers, called Caliton. And he was telling them, I'm looking for tea shrubs. And God knows this. Oh, yeah, those are the shrubs. God knows what. What? He got killed. So he smuggles out China's tea, which had been carefully guarded. He brings it back to British control. It's then planted in India. Yeah. And he then becomes, I mean, he's called Fortune.
40:04Does he make a fortune? Is he, you know, is he fortune by name? He doesn't. He died a poor man. No, yeah, yeah. It's too bad. Oh, that's a shame. It's a shame. All that hard stealing. I know. So the tea plants were brought to India, to Assam. The funny thing is the tea that he stole from China were largely green tea because they're from southeastern China. And when they harvested the tea in Assam, it became black tea. And the only answer would be that because it was constantly under exposure to the sun and the soil is much richer than the mountainous region. and it's very thin, the soil upon the rocks.
40:51So that's how Britain has its black teeth. I know he didn't get paid, but I'm assuming they would have given him lifetime membership of the RHS, wouldn't they? He died not a rich man. Whenever he wants tea. He should get free tea in the gift shop, shouldn't he? Pop into the cafe and take the family. Yeah, he enriched so many people. He died not rich. So he died without a fortune. No, no, no. Despite being Robert Fortune. No, no. Of course, for our listeners outside the UK, the RHS is the Royal Horticultural Society. So the Assam tea that we now think of as black tea is actually Chinese green tea, but it's just the soil type and the atmospheric conditions.
41:27And of course, it was diversified in India as well and then moved to Africa. So it's completely changed the species. So by the 1880s, Hugh, if we were to measure the exports of tea now grown in India, let's say 1885, you can measure it either in tonnes or I'll allow the other standard unit, which of course is large African elephants. So which of those two would you like to use? Is this the annual export? Annual export in weight. Tons or elephants, please? I think I'd go for tons because I don't actually know how much an elephant weighs, to be honest. And it depends whether the elephant's eaten or not.
42:00True, true. Well, who knows? 80 ,000 tons. That's very, very generous. It's 35 ,000 tons of tea. 35 ,000 tons. Or, importantly, 7 ,000 large African elephants. Oh, okay. So from that, we can deduce that an elephant is, what, five tons? Yeah. So pretty heavy. You've got a huge amount of tea coming back into Britain and we start to get tea companies founded, but Lipton's Tea. Yeah. You know, Lipton is a Scot again, isn't he? Yeah. And he's a sort of very famous entrepreneur. Yeah. But Chinese tea is still the good stuff or is Indian tea as good and as popular? I don't think people tell the difference in Indian tea or green tea or black tea or red tea or whatever.
42:41But in the 18th century, Tea with breakfast, having tea, having tea time, was becoming part of British cultural institution. That's what you're famous for. Yeah, and I also assume that by 1880, because there's been this sort of massive rise in the industrial north, the middle pass, things like that. Does that account for a lot of the grace in tea drink? Hugely so. Why would that be? Tea breaks. Tea breaks? Absolutely right. I mean, there is an economic historian who made the case that the Industrial Revolution is powered by tea because of the caffeine and the sugar in the tea. Yeah, Sidney Mintz wrote a book, it's called Sweetness and Power.
43:20So tea with sugar boosted the energy of working class people at 10.30am or 3.30am, so they work longer. They're more energetic. So higher productivity. Yeah, yeah. When did tea breaks not exist before the Industrial Revolution, presumably? Did they all? I mean, tea breaks come kind of later. They come in the 20th century, really. The tea break is more of a sort of, you know, you do have tea in the 19th century, but the tea break as a sort of legal thing that, you know, is one of the things. You've got to have one. You've got to have one. It's more 20th century. So Britain is transformed by tea.
43:54And then the Industrial Revolution makes Britain a global superpower. Yeah, it enriched Britain. Yeah. And so by 1923, 53 % of the world's tea supply is consumed in Britain alone. Yeah. Half the world's tea is drunk by. It's amazing, isn't it? You've got an amazing statistic. But I always wonder, why do you like tea so much? I don't know. We just do. It's just it's really important to our culture. You know, any crisis, sit down, have a cup of tea. Is there also not an element of coffee by that point being regarded as quite a bad thing? Don't the coffee houses become sort of rather unpleasant and sort of addictive?
44:33Coffee goes up and down. Yeah. It has highs and lows. Coffee house has a connotation of sexuality. Yes, a little bit. And then revolution, conspiracy, that kind of thing? Yeah, it can do. Can we say that? Not this cup of coffee, let me tell you. Are you feeling rebellious? Not really. No. So tea doesn't have that. Even though in Asia, in Hong Kong, you would still have tea house, which in the back of a tea house there might be a brothel or something. Yeah. Yeah, but obviously in Britain, the kind of morality of tea drinking, the sobriety, it's sober, it's domestic. it's private and it's classy right in the Victorian era there was this sort of amazing movement towards improvement wasn't there?
45:18it was all about improvement you know the first mention of tea is always from English doctors I read so many things about English prescribed tea it's like what? for all sorts of complaints that would honestly make the NHS work I mean, it really would. I mean, that's the thing, isn't it? If it was tea prescribed for everything. Prescriptions, yeah, exactly. Take two tea bags of tea twice a day. But you're also, you know, in Victorian parks, for example, you know all the sort of the big parks in London? Yeah, yeah. Victoria Park in Hackney or indeed Victoria Park in Manchester. They were all about improvement and, you know, everything you did in like drinking of tea.
46:00Yeah. You know, it was all about that stuff, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. The gardens and green space at that time, I think, you know, yeah. We were just very, very worried about what was happening in society and tea was a sort of a solution to it, possibly. But the fascinating thing is that it sounds so calming and so tranquil and yet tea had caused these two enormous wars that destabilised China and changed the course of the world. And we need to get to the 20th century and this is where we get tea planted again in a new British colony, Yeah. Which you might, I mean, we have mentioned it. Do you know where?
46:36Well, presumably, well, in the 19th century. The 20th. In the 20th century. Early 20th, very early. Well, lots in India, presumably, but it's been there, I assumed it would have been there forever. After India, where did it go to next? Salon. That's a good guess. Sri Lanka. And one more, East Africa? Kenya. Kenya, very good. Yeah, absolutely. So, 1903, Kenya becomes a kind of plantation of tea. Yeah. And again, that's where Britain gets most of its tea today. Yeah. So that's a certain... Who's it? Yeah. Yeah. So India and Kenya, not so much from China. If you go to Fortnum Mason... Always. I mean, why wouldn't you?
47:13And they have the Chinese tea, but the problem is they drop it very systematically by machine. You can tell. And I... Yeah. So I don't know why people... I love your judgment, young men. You're so like, why are people doing this? Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. But the 20th century, tea is being grown in Africa, having been grown in India, having been stolen from China. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is amazing stuff, isn't it? Yeah. You put it where you can. They've got countless wars with Mongols and two wars with Britain. Absolutely. What I love is when I was a kid, the Asterix books, my favourite books as a kid, the joke is that the Britons would stop for a cup of tea in the middle of battle.
47:53And obviously that's not true, but there is something to it, that the Britons, we need our tea. I didn't know most of our tea came from East Africa so there you have it Hugh the not entirely ethical story of how tea became Britain's national drink are you still a fan of tea or are you morally compromised now? No I'm perfectly happy with all that but I don't know I'm sort of interested in why we're fascinated by the tips of tea, that's our marketing thing isn't it? Is that an important thing that you only have the tip of the tea? No, because it depends, because the tip of the shrub. Well, PG tips.
48:32Yeah. Is tips, isn't it? When you go and pick the teeth, the ones at the top, it's the tendest. Oh, okay. The ones at the bottom is older, so it's hard to... Okay. But, of course, there are people who like, you know, the older leaves. And most people, you know, take for the younger ones at the top. Okay. When it's budding out. Well, yeah. It's fascinating. The history of tea is the history of horticultural history, imperial history, economic history, domestic, class. It's all there. The nuance window!
49:10So it's time now for the nuance window. This is where Hugh and I put our feet up and pop on the kettle to have a little brew for two minutes while Professor Yang Wen takes centre stage to tell us something we need to know about the history of tea. So I'm going to get my stopwatch up. You have two minutes on the clock. Take it away, Professor Chong. On the one hand, tea has been extensified, diversified, because you can see bubble tea, fruit tea, right, fruit drinks. And in China, people actually drink tea with roasted peanuts, roasted sesame, roasted soybean, ginger and all those. So it's kind of a diversification.
49:52On the other hand, I think, as you said earlier, there's a decline in tea drinking. I think there will be a regeneration, a renewal. You know why? Because of the environmental movement, our care for the environment. We should eat natural, drink natural. So tea is a natural thing. A plant, like a vegetable, you drink it and it's good for your health, it's good for the environment. I don't think I've ever drunk a vegetable. Yeah, but it's similar. You drink natural stuff, not processed. The tea has been modernized in the tea bags and everything. So I think it's lost. So the price of progress, if you will, that you have progressed, you don't have to go tea leaves anymore.
50:40But then in that process, you lost the essence, you lost the ritual, and you lost probably the nutrition of the tea. So I hope there might be a renewal of sticking to the nature. Amazing. Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah. What do we think to that? Sticking to nature, renewal of the tea. Can we go back to the slow tea? Well, I don't think I've ever been at the slow tea. I mean, it's one of the things about tea is that it's quite quick, isn't it? But I do absolutely understand the importance of ritual. And I just think we take it in a slightly different way. It's a sort of, it's a kind of, the making of the tea isn't the ritual.
51:17The drinking of the tea is the ritual with other people for us, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. In China, the waiting is important. Whereas perhaps in the UK, it's more about pop on the kettle and have that chat that you wouldn't normally have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you know now?
51:40It's time now for the So What Do You Know Now. This is our quickfire quiz for Hugh to see how much he has learned. Hugh, I suspect you're a confident quizzer. I get the feeling that you're very good in a quiz. Well, yeah, depends on what it's about, of course, isn't it? It's about tea. That's the thing about a quiz. You know, tea, maybe not. Yeah, sorry, I won't be asking you questions about, you know, which 1968 movie won an Academy Award. This is tea only. These are all things we've talked about. Yeah. So, ten questions. Here we go. Question one. Which of the six types of tea is the rarest type of tea in terms of colour?
52:13In terms of colour, I don't remember that being mentioned, but I'm going to go for yellow. Oh, it is yellow. Well done. There you go. Very good. Question two. What grade of tea is used most in the UK? The worst grade. The dust. It is the dust. That's right. Absolutely. We love our dusty fannings. Question three. According to a Japanese origin myth, what horrifying act by a Buddhist monk led to the miraculous growth of a tea plant? He removed his own eyelids. He did. Which isn't a very good marketing story for tea, if I might say. No, he threw them on the ground and thereby a plant grew to grow tea.
52:52But that's a weird thing to do. Question four. What did China trade tea with with the Mongols? Well, they traded for horses. They did. Didn't they? The standard currency unit, of course. Yeah. Question five. Which Portuguese princess is sometimes wrongly credited with bringing tea to Europe or even Britain? That would be Catherine de Braganza. Very good, yes. Queen of Charles II. Question six. What problematic product did Britain trade for Chinese tea after running out of silver? Well, that unfortunately, and I can only apologise, was opium. It was. Question seven. Who was hired by the East India Company to steal plants, or tea plants indeed, from China?
53:35I can't remember his first name, but his second, his surname was Fortune, Mr Fortune. It was, yes, Robert Fortune. He didn't get paid or get a membership of the RHS. He's got literally nothing for doing that. Question eight, how did Fortune pull off his heist? He disguised himself. He wore a, you know, kind of a plait at the back and a hat. And that was enough, apparently. and he went up high into the hills and he stole shrubs. He did 20 ,000 shrubs and several Chinese workers and enough. He stole the workers. He took them. Yeah, he did. Follow me. Yeah, follow me. Show us how you do this. Question nine.
54:13By 1885, how many tonnes of tea was India exporting? You can answer in African elephants or in tonnage. Well, it was 35 ,000 tonnes and it was 7 ,000. That's very impressive. I'm giving you two points there, bonus points. This for a perfect 11 out of 10, which country was tea introduced to in 1903 and is now Britain's primary tea provider? That would be Kenya. 11 out of 10. Never in doubt. Well done. Fantastic. Beautiful. So the history of tea is sort of the history of everything, really. It's all rather exciting. But unfortunately, also quite tragic at times. So apologies on behalf of Britain.
54:53But thank you so much, Hugh. Thank you so much, Professor Yang Wen. And if you want more from Yang Wen, of course, We have our very funny episode on Dowager Empress Sushi. She was quite an extraordinary woman. If you crave more facts about our fave food and drinks, we've got episodes on the history of ice cream, chocolate, coffee, spices, and of course, the first celebrity chef, Alexei Soyer, who's one of my faves. If you've enjoyed the podcast, please subscribe to You're Dead to Me on BBC Sounds to hear the show 28 days earlier than anywhere else. And if you're outside the UK, you can listen at bbc.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
55:27Well, I'd just like to thank our fantastic guests in History Corner. We had the brilliant Professor Yang Wen-chung from the University of Manchester. Thank you, Yang Wen. Thank you for having me. Pleasure. And in Comedy Corner, we had the hilarious Hugh Dennis. Thank you, Hugh. Thank you. And you lovely listener, join me next time as we leap into the kettle and steep ourselves in another unfamiliar time period. But for now, I'm off tea shopping with Yang Wen. Hopefully, she can show me the least dusty options. Bye!
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Greg Jenner is joined by Professor Yangwen Zheng and comedian Hugh Dennis to learn about the global history of tea, and how it became Britain’s national drink. Despite its popularity in the UK, much of our tea is grown in India and Kenya, while the tea plant itself is native to China. The story of how it made its way into Britain’s kitchens – and the nation’s hearts – is surprisingly bloody, encompassing war, colonialism, and even botanical theft. This episode charts the global history of tea from its Chinese origins, taking in the Mongol invasions, the contested role of a Portuguese princess in bringing the drink to Britain, the devastation wrought by the Opium Wars, and the theft of tea plants from China to India. Along the way, it also looks at how it moved from the tables of the rich in Britain to become the fuel of the workers, and the moment tea became a matter of national security.
If you’re a fan of Chinese history, skulduggery and industrial espionage, and how European colonialism shaped the modern world, you’ll love our episode on the History of Tea. If you want more Chinese history with Professor Yangwen Zheng, listen to our episode on Dowager Empress Cixi. And for more on the history of commodities, check out our episodes on chocolate, coffee and spices. You’re Dead To Me is the comedy podcast that takes history seriously. Every episode, Greg Jenner brings together the best names in history and comedy to learn and laugh about the past. Hosted by: Greg Jenner Research by: Siobhan-Michelle Smith and Naomi Weaver Written by: Siobhan-Michelle Smith, Dr Emmie Rose Price-Goodfellow, Dr Emma Nagouse, and Greg Jenner Produced by: Dr Emmie Rose Price-Goodfellow and Greg Jenner Audio Producer: Steve Hankey Production Coordinator: Gill Huggett Senior Producer: Dr Emma Nagouse Executive Editor: Philip Sellars




