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24:37Because it's so common. I mean, I guess Alex took a picture of her gazpacho because it had an edible flower in it that she was excited about. But anyway, so let's talk about the Taylor rollout. Let's talk about the importance of podcasting, not only, Jason, the presidential election, but also in getting a number one record um and i i did not luckily i was unable to watch any clips of taylor on uh her boyfriend's podcast that he does with his brother but you you did listen to

25:09Jason Stewart:it on apple podcast well of course every second of it yeah of course uh but i i just um i think it's it's uh it's really an opportunity for someone like um you know the devil to really show their human side and i think that it's even it's even more it's just the whole thing you're talking is is taylor swift the devil in this equation taylor swift is the devil and she is she is using this the same way that benjamin netanyahu will go on theo vaughn's podcast to humanize yes and so taylor swift the other embodiment of beazel bub or whatever demonic form she has taken she's able to go on the show and then travis kelsey and jason kelsey are like do you like ranch yeah it's i also saw yeah it's so good i saw somebody say that um that no like for people who had never listened to that podcast before which is obviously millions of people that are taylor swift fans they were like oh i didn't realize i didn't realize travis was the stupid brother which is which is really fucking funny because i didn't either i never thought about it really so is this because the other brother since he's less successful less good looking he may have an air of dumb ass on him that is undeserved yeah does he just simply look dumber he does actually he does simply look a little squattier and then when i saw travis on the gq cover and I was like oh there's a new dumb brother in town are you talking about Bayou daddy I really I'm talking about Bayou daddy I really love the picture of him on the what are those things called when you it like shoots water so you're hovering in the air I don't know what they're called but that is sick and I really want to do it I remember when I first saw that technology you know whatever 20 25 years ago when you were younger and you'd see an experimental clips of it and you'd be like this is cool and now it's nice to see the technology perfected enough to where you know this person this billion dollar person whose body is protected by the cia um to further the advancement of our civilization good enough for him you know what i mean the problem it's nice the problem with with travis i mean there's many problems but it's it's the main problem for me is his hair and i just think he looked he looked cooler when he was in a relationship with a black woman he had the tight fade he was keeping it you know he might have been wearing more bad jewelry but he had the tight fade taylor's got him on this sort of like hockey player flow i i just don't the hair is really tough for me to get past but to be fair you also think that most men look better with a with a trimmed cut than no no i think some guys look great with long hair i just think that like a professional ass i don't know he just doesn't it doesn't look natural on him.

28:13Having a, having a fade look more natural. That's, that's what I'll say.

28:17Jason Stewart:I agree with that completely. So, so did you listen to any of it at all? I did not listen to it. No, no, not, not one word. No, not one word. But I, I, um, I read about it. I read many, um, like not even, not even about like what was said, but like about what it means, you know, and like how, like the strategy, because people love to debate the strategy of like a, a rollout. And I think we've hit rollout fatigue in many ways. and we've seen it not work several times. But this, I mean, the album is produced by Max Martin and Shellback, which means we're probably going to get some actual hits. And the cover is Merton Marcus and it looks like a Love Magazine cover from like 2010, like exactly like it.

29:01But I just don't, I don't know, man. I don't know how much there is to, how much more can we analyze Taylor Swift? You know, what more is there? I don't know if we're ever going to get to the bottom of it, let's say.

29:15Jason Stewart:What is it about her that makes us so – or is it the music that she makes and the persona that she has created just seems to appeal to this specific group of conspiratorial white women? That group just loves analyzing everything, finding the cryptology and the numerology and the colors. and basically they're saying she's single-handedly kept millions of white women away from QAnon, those who are easily susceptible to this type of obsession and distraction from your everyday life that you hate. They're not wrong. I mean, they're not wrong, but I just don't think. But that's the thing. If it was just fans sort of debating this endlessly and looking for signs all the time, it'd be one thing.

30:07But it's grown men. It's grown men. It's fucking grandparents. It's truly a global phenomenon of people looking for clues and trying to unpack things. And I would say overly interested in her life and her output.

30:21Jason Stewart:Yeah. And people used to be vigilant about this stuff. And if you were just someone's dad and your daughters and your wife were all into Taylor Swift and you would just be like, all right, you all have fun. I'm going to go in the garage. and nowadays they're like well what do you think let me make you some bracelets bro as soon as dads start making bracelets and they send a photographer for the new york times to take pictures of the dads in the parking lot it's gone it's gone too far it's gone to my parents dropped my ass off whatever it was they dropped me off because they had better things to do unless you're using that taylor swift knowledge to get a piece of pussy like you'll see a little meme every once in a while a girl will you know a female would say something like i'm about to just like some some crazy sports you know the era rating of shohani or whatever do you know into some dick sure are there dudes out there who are going to be like this is i'm about to dead poets parking lot my way into some pussy is does that happen do you think oh i mean this is the whole thing there's a whole article about this this week the performative mail it's it's it's definitely i mean this is a less offensive version than like you know keeping a joan didion book in your back pocket and having a la boo boo on your fucking trader joe's tote bag but it's not it's this is what everybody does everybody anybody will do anything especially men to get women to notice them even if it's that's performative feminism if that's faux you know oh what do you listen to uh obviously claro i but i think it's the same well same thing like pretending to like Taylor Swift or at least pretending to know about it.

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36:28The original. Hillhurst?

36:30Jason Stewart:hellhurst yeah yeah yeah i mean i i would say that there are a there is a little bit more prevalent here in la than it is in new york but i would also push back and say those dudes exist in new york oh they definitely all over the fucking place it is not a it's not unique only to los angeles what i'm saying is it feels more concentrated in los angeles at certain places whereas new york you see those bozos everywhere you turn well that's that's what i yeah and that's not the that's not the fault of any city no it's it's just simply a geographical fact you know new york new york is new is just an island a big old island and you're gonna catch a crop top mustachioed matcha slurper around any corner whereas the ones in los angeles you know they're not going to be hanging out all over the place they're going to be in three or four little strongholds there's yeah there's only you're right there's only three or four places where they're going to be accepted yeah be accepted allowed allowed to exist yeah this this is this is something i was thinking about i was i was listening to um a pod a couple days ago they were talking about um ha's duck biet it was eddie wong's podcast and they were talking about how i haven't been there yet it's a restaurant you've heard of before it's a it's a very well known i've been i've been i photographed them for interview magazine i've been wanting to go i've been before service we can go if you do you want to do you want to go i'll we can do that i'll be there obviously you know i'll be there next week but then i think i'm going to be there again first week of september for unfortunately unfortunately you have to the seating is not my favorite it's like basically like a bar right you know what i mean it's like so small but well whatever they were talking about how the food is amazing it's so good it's so interesting and unique and thoughtful and what they're cranking out of this little place is very impressive but they were then they kind of proceeded to talk shit on how the crowd is just you know it was insufferable kind of tiktoker instagrammy people you didn't feel like a restaurant like what the fight that's what that's well what it is some Some restaurants are more like that than others.

38:44Jason Stewart:And then because of the layout of the space, it feels a little more or less invasive than other places. You know what I mean? Like if you're in a band era, you're segregated into little booths and you can have convos and you're comfortable in breathing room. Some places you're just a bunch of little two tops crammed on top of each other. You feel like other people are hearing your convo and vice versa. And it creates an environment that's less than comfortable. If you're going to a restaurant in Dimes Square, I think you kind of know what you're getting into. That's what I'll say about that. Yeah, I agree with that.

39:17It's impossible to avoid. And it's also like, I mean, that's every restaurant you go to unless it's, you know, like you're saying, unless it's like a three Michelin star. We're going to 11 Madison Park now because I can get a fucking steak. It's a little, you're not going to get, there's a price point.

39:33Jason Stewart:Ain't no kohlrabi steak in this bitch now. We got real steak. We got real steak. We want to make some money. it had me ask or had me wondering you know like you just said there's nothing you can do about it if you're a hot cool restaurant those types of people people are going to descend onto your business whether you like them or not whether you want them to or not and it's a very hard thing to control and i think whoever you know those are the those are the types of questions in the food world that i'm more interested in because it sounds more fun than like how are we gonna do a new version of a crudo or whatever well the problem but the problem the problem is you you have to make money to stay open as a restaurant and it's really i think that most people are more concerned with staying in business than turning people away because they don't like their outfit or the way they behave which is which is i mean there are merits to both things but i think if we want these places to stay in business we might have to dine next to someone who uses their phone light 16 times before the meal is over.

40:35I think that's just what you have to, if you want the restaurant in business, I think you have to accept there's some of that involved, whether it's, you know, even though it sucks.

40:43Jason Stewart:I think there's always going to be some of that, but I think the problem is what happens when it's almost entirely that. And then all the cool people that you want to go to your restaurant are all telling their cool friends, yes, the food's amazing, yes, blah, blah, blah, But I just can't be in that room in good conscious. I feel as if I'm too cool to be in this room right now. I've literally never felt like that, though. Really? Well, I'm not there to feel cool. I'm there to eat. I guess you don't have a foodie reputation as much as other people might. What do you mean? Like you can't be seen there because of the crowd, even if you want to eat there?

41:24Jason Stewart:Yeah. Like you've never been embarrassed to be in a restaurant? No. who gives a fuck i mean i'm i mean if people are embarrassing themselves that's not my problem have you ever been embarrassed too embarrassed to be in like like a nightclub or a bar like you walk into rays and you're like i can't be here i can't be seen here i gotta get the fuck out have you ever felt that no because it's just funny okay like i don't like i i look at that more as a funny study in the way people i don't like behave i don't think it reflects poorly on them okay okay if that if that makes sense it does it does it makes sense it's interesting um but i i wouldn't say it comes as a surprise but because you it seems like you only go to very cool places but you're a regular guy at the end of the day well i don't but i don't need to go to i don't have but i also don't have any reason to go to like ladiv like what am i i don't drink champagne i don't i don't need a lot of those places i have no use for that being said i do feel more comfortable in a bandera than maybe you know some i i'd rather see like fucking thin blue line freaks having spinach dip than benson boone looking guys having having negronis you know what i mean it's if you have to pick one yeah yeah four four guys i think unfortunately we have to pick four guys splitting the spring peas yeah i mean that's literally us but yeah i mean so this is all sauces all tofu okay um this is crazy i knew they were in season it makes me wish uh i guess i reminisce the days of when i was working the club working the door at cine space and i literally was the judge of who was allowed to come in and who was not and i i wish that restaurants had a little bit more of that um and a little bit less of just like whoever you know just like the first people who are able to buy Supreme or concert tickets or whatever.

43:24Jason Stewart:It's just whoever is able to wait on a virtual resi line and, you know, hit the refresh button a zillion times and get the res and take photos of it. Like, but what I'm saying to you, but what I'm saying to you is if you have money, you deserve to be there because the restaurant has to stay in business. And every restaurateur only complains about how hard it is to stay in business. so if if they're if they're on a if they're looking at people's instagram profiles to decide if they can eat there i do think that the that could affect the bottom line it could but i would say at what cost in a good way at the cost of potentially creating a business that will last decades like but no business is going to last decades that's what i'm saying like like we could go in dantanas and it's going to be full of shitheads as well as like producers that have always gone there and us you know what i mean like those a place is going to last if it's good and it doesn't matter is what i'm trying to say like if you really want to last it's not going to be because you turn people away it's because you kind of maintain a high level of quality for a long time and even then it might not work yeah yeah i guess i guess um yeah i mean i the only thing i could really think of is like you were talking about before with stissing house or harbor house or bells is like literally just like a proximity you know like if you really want to go to this restaurant you got to drive an hour into the into nothingness yeah yeah yeah yeah in order to eat this and that still i think that i mean i think that they just the the popularity and the information happens so fast and move so quickly when a place is good you know that it that it's like even an hour drive is is only going to deter so many people i know like that's the i i but you're right i mean you're right that is the best way because it's without being like up front about it you know what i mean it's just like oh we just we bought this beautiful building and we just thought it'd be great to do it here instead of being like yo you're whack you're not coming here it is i think it there is some of that but i think that it only deters a very small group of people Is it illegal to turn somebody away at a restaurant based on their appearance?

45:43I don't think it's illegal, but I think it's something that could cause...

45:46Jason Stewart:But you could get a lawsuit or something. Well, yeah. I mean, if you say, yeah. I mean, if there's a dress code and then you let somebody in, you know what I mean? It's like a... I know. Well, just going back to the club politics, you go to the club and there's a door person there and you're going to Bergheim and a person looks at your outfit and reads your aura and says not today queen that that can yeah that'll happen that happens so why is it okay at a night club and not at a restaurant if i if i gotta eat top and i see them walk in and i'm like this table is gonna suck fucking ass i don't like them they have bad attitudes they're not gonna spend money well no it can't be attitude based it can't be attitude based it has to be the only way you can police this is with a dress code that is published on your website and even then that becomes a weird struggle because that doesn't get the job done for me but those that's the only you can't you can't i mean you could do it your restaurant's going to close in six months that i mean you could definitely do that if you want or like there's that place sam's place not sal's but sam's in uh in highland park and they don't have a website they don't have an instagram blah blah blah it's just walk-in only and you know word will spread and eater and infatuation and yelp will do stories on it and it'll say it's this hot new cool place everyone has to go to eventually everyone will go there and then the people that work there they want to they've done everything that they can in their mind to have a cool crowd hanging out there and not people that don't belong and then when those people that don't belong go there i remember i was there a few months ago and there's i i think i talked about on the show about how there's a woman there and she had like a backpack and her dog and like a water bottle and you know she was dressed like she was going to you know a park or disneyland or something like that and not like a cool hipster wine bar where people are eating you know thoughtful chicken wings and stuff and i started smoking a cigarette and i was like oh is it okay if i smoke in here and they the people that work there were almost encouraging me to smoke near these people that did not belong there in hopes that they would get the picture that like hey maybe this spot isn't for you maybe you should be over at hippo or something like that well i don't think i don't like literally smoke i don't think sam's in highland park is long for this world but i'm glad that because that it's just you can't have a business like that it just doesn't make sense i mean maybe in highland park it's such a dump and the rent's so cheap but you have an influx of customer if you have more people wanting to go to your restaurant then you have seats for them to seat at because that lasts a month like that that demand that demand just doesn't last long enough yeah for the first three months you can be high on on the hog and be an asshole and then six months later you're gonna need that bitch and her cat to keep the fucking lights on no matter how good the chicken wings are oh i'd like to think that there's another way i'd like to not give into that i hope that you're wrong but well that's why everybody opens a second restaurant because they this is what happens when you have a hit so you want to do something it's just it's a it's a it's a proven these guys open five restaurants and they all become i like i like there to be a one for you and one for them have one place for me and my cool friends where the people who show up with a camelback and purple leggings are not allowed to come in for whatever reason and then you open up your little you know your your taco stand or whatever it is yeah i mean i think that is a dream scenario i just don't think that um our capitalist society will allow for people to have multi-million dollar art projects that lose money for years and years that's just unfortunately not how the bank allows it to go not yet damn banks these damn uh i guess speaking of places that people want to go to all of a sudden uh our friend bieber was spotted in glendale earlier this week uh for a dijon record release hang is that what it oh i didn't realize it was dijon i thought it was just i thought it was just he was there with his little freak homies i think it was dijon related uh that makes a little more sense and and our friend David Cho asked me if I've ever been to Dave's.

50:10Jason Stewart:I think it's been there forever. I remember going to it 20 years ago. It's just like a dive bar that has a pool table. I think because people are still glamorizing and romanticizing billiards, dive bar culture. It's finally reached Justin Bieber seven years later. Dave's is just a cop bar. It's across the street from the police station. if you want to hang out at a cop bar because it has a pool table have fun i mean i think people really will go anywhere for a pool table i that's a it's it's crazy it's crazy because it's not i played pool when i was in jackson hole and when you go to when you play pool a place like that oftentimes especially if justin bieber is there it's too packed to even play like you can't even really you know what i mean i'm having to talk about performative yeah like you can't you just want to stand there with your cue and have your photographer take a couple of flicks i get it but you're not you're not nasty with it you know sorry mikey i know you're listening and i know you bring your own cue with you but like let's talk about talk about scaring the hose bringing your own pool cue unless you're in koreatown at one of those places you can you can get some pussy if you bring your own cue but otherwise it's a host scaring activity bringing your own what do you so what do you think about this um lana ethel beef i feel like this is really something close to tj hart um i like ethel kane's music but i don't find myself listening to it very much uh i agree with that and i agree with that they they seem cool what there was like a thing where they found some old tweets of yeah yeah yeah yeah old ethel where she was being i don't know what she said some racist or something sexist i don't know um but ethel kane seems like a well-spoken and you know kind good person nowadays i don't know about that but um but i mean if you have to pick sides it's not really a difficult decision over here you know team lana all day i mean i think it's pretty funny for them to have beef and it's good for both of them i think kind of i think it's good for both of them and i think it's good for them to be beefing over big dick jack you know i mean if you're gonna fight over something i didn't know a gay guy can make women go crazy like this unless he you know sang and danced but that's the thing he's not a gay guy he's everything that well i mean technically holes a hole technically he isn't everything and it is it is it's very cool for them to fight over it he's the plus in lgbtq plus that's actually true but i wonder i i wonder how without being a crossy bottom i wonder if the if the how the fans feel you know like the real the real freaks because i i feel like this is not you know this is like this kind of person isn't supposed to fight with another with like Lana and Ethel aren't supposed to fight that's supposed to be for like Sabrina Carpenter and Olivia Rodrigo or whatever you know what I mean it's not it's for Azalea Banks and Nicki Minaj to be doing literally anyone yeah Azalea Banks and a child that was just born minutes ago yeah but that's what I think is most interesting about it is that like we don't usually get even though Lana Del Rey is one of the biggest artists in the world, I think people think of her as like indie and cool, you know, because of her, the way she presents herself.

53:29But once you sell out Wembley, you're not indie anymore. Yeah,

53:33Jason Stewart:that's a hundred percent true. And I think that's a testament to her power that she's able to sell out. You know, literally Wembley stadium, biggest place in the world where every, the biggest acts in the world perform yet still has that indie feel is still, you know, releasing music where the cover art is a photo that she took on her phone the week before you know she'll go work a shift at um waffle house just because she wants to not because come on now come on sure i mean sure it's perform you talk about going to restaurants for content how about working at waffle house for content that's that's a that's a further step maybe sure i agree i agree but i want to know how that gator wrestling husband feels about all this i would be bummed i bet he's i bet he's saying some shit that he don't want to repeat in public i'll say that he's saying i bet he's saying some words that he can't say yeah but also him those florida boys they kind of play a little different i think he's probably turned on by it not necessarily in a cuck kind of way like he doesn't ask her for dick pics from him or like do you have any like videos of you giving him head or anything like that i don't think he's doing that i think he's just an open he's a little bit of an open guy himself you know he's he sort of sees he's sort of an unk to to jack in so many ways i think he's had sex with a man as well yeah for sure you know but in more of a game recognized game like i get it mama kind of way versus like why like i thought we were married and like why are you beefing with a girl over your ex like that doesn't reflect well on my swamp daddy ass but i think he i think he's kind of turned on it by by it a little way yeah i remember a friend of mine in high school he um his parents were like kind of uh river folks like go down to havasu you know beach partying go to the lake drinking beers like those you know hell yeah kind of a tommy bahama parrot head kind of flavor and i remember the the dad when like all of our high school guys would come over and it's just like shirtless gay dudes covered in tattoos wrestling each other unsure to do what to do with themselves instead of drinking or smoking and when and then the dad would come over to us and be like i love it when you guys come over my you know my wife gets all fucking horned up when seeing all you boys tatted up running around and i i think there might be a little bit of this in play where you guys can you know lana she's over there she's fighting she's talking about blah blah blah and and then he then he makes your smell your his finger he's like and i still i just tapped it this morning brother what's up now gator style bitch so he's just he's saying what's up now pussy rising pussy tide lifts all boats lifts all swamp i think there's some i think i think that there's some truth into your twisted little approach what do you mean i don't even know what i said i i know but i think that the i think that swamp daddy does like it but no one likes i mean jack is the winner as always jack wins again yeah Yeah, but he, another night alone with another pass around party twink or another 17 year old girl, you know, he doesn't have the stability that Lana has.

57:04Jason Stewart:You know, he doesn't have the love and the foundation. Do you think Lana's relationship with Swamp Daddy is going to last more than five years? I kind of do. I kind of do. I want to. I really do want to because I think it would be nice, but I just don't know if I can believe it. I just don't know if I have it in me. No, I mean, I guess even something like that, it will burn out eventually. To me, there's some similarities when Angelina Jolie first started dating, what's his name? Landman? Oh, Billy Bob. Yeah, Billy Bob. Like the first year Billy Bob and Jolie were dating and it was like age gappy and everyone was like, why is she the hottest woman on planet Earth?

57:47Jason Stewart:It's funny because I don't find her. Drinking milk out of his dish every morning type shit. I don't find her attractive. I know she's beautiful, but I don't. She's too scary. She looks mean. Some guys are into scary pussy. Of course. No, no, of course. And Billy Bob is his own. I mean, Billy Bob's cut from a different - Or she looks mean. No, she just looks like the kind of person that would run you over with her car, like Taylor Swift. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not. Also, I've never - I'll wait for the problem. I don't know. Angelina Jolie doesn't do anything for me. Never has. I find it. I've never seen her in a movie either, I don't think.

58:20Maybe. Well, I mean, what about Sossaman? Shannon Sossaman? Yeah. Well, that's a legend. That's different. I like when someone burns out bright, is what I'm saying.

58:31Jason Stewart:In their younger iterations, they both had a little bit of a similar aesthetic, you know, like pixie cut kind of dark. Angelina Jolie did do heroin, is all the stories that I've heard. So that is cool. And I appreciate that. and I'm glad that she's healthy now. But I don't, Shannon Sossman, what I like about her is she burned out bright. She was in our lives for three, four years, superstar, looked great, and then just disappeared and now has a baby that's named Radio Frequency and lives in Silver Lake somewhere. I bet you can catch her - Shout out audio, audio science. I get, oh, that's actually her kid.

59:11Jason Stewart:I didn't remember that. That was her kid. Yeah. But I'm saying like that, she's a - Smart kid. I'm sure you could see her. Like I'm sure she's around being a normal silver like mom kind of vibe, which I appreciate the arc of her career. Yeah, or maybe lack thereof an arc because then when you get a Jolie who is still going, you look at her now and it's very similar to like Madonna. Like when you look at a baby face, young Jolie, her and Madonna had that same kind of innocence, life and fullness in the face and the eyes. And now still pushing it, you know. Yeah. The yield is not strong. The darkness is in the eyes.

59:58Jason Stewart:The skin is looking, you know, like it just feels unhealthy in some certain way. Look, it's better to get out at the top. You know, it's better to burn out bright. But yeah, you're right. I mean, that's true. It's hard to. Sossaman is like if Madonna quit after erotic, erotica. I mean, Madonna's, I mean, it's really something. Have you seen her? Madonna? Yeah. Like play. actually no i've never seen madonna in person yeah i don't think i know i mean i've seen her like in i got parties and stuff like that but i've never seen her perform i've never i don't think i've ever seen her perform either which is i mean obviously i think the the the time has passed i mean you can physically go see her play but you know the time the time has passed mama a long time ago whereas uh a friend of the show celebrating 20 years in the game i was just listening to the joe button podcast this morning while i was cleaning up they were talking about the chris brown tour dude they talk about how it's a celebration they talk about chris brown like he is they talk about chris brown like he's the beatles like for real and it's great like chris brown is doesn't have that many hits he just doesn't he probably has 10 hits that's where you're wrong blab i mean hits that are recognized by the global public not just the kind of woman who pays$2 ,000 for meet and greet and brings her sonogram from a baby she's having with a different man.

1:01:21I'm saying if you're a super fan of anyone, of course you're like, what are you talking about? They have 50 songs that are amazing. Chris Brown maybe has five. Well, your whiteness is showing. That we actually know. You know what I'm saying?

1:01:36Jason Stewart:There's definitely more than that. But there's not. Chart-wise, I don't think there is, is what I'm trying to say. I think culturally there are many, but I'm saying actual success. with metrics you're looking at the white charts boy no i'm looking at the art i mean i'm sure he's i'm sure every time he puts out a song he gets in the top 200 hip-hop and r &b but like that that's not i don't think that's that hard to do when you're that big of a star yeah i wonder how many songs he has with a billion plays on spotify i mean i think he's a i think he's a very talented guy but i also think that we've gotten into this spot now where we think that like the longer you play like i don't want to see chris brown play for three and a half hours that's too long no one should play for three and a half hours i i agree with that but if he's able to sell out every single arena and stadium they're totally totally and play for three plus hours every single person is on their feet the entire time people are tapping out because it's getting too late and they have kids and stuff like that nobody else is doing nobody else can do that a lot of people can do it but they're not they're not dancing as much maybe who is is taylor the only person that comes close taylor and beyonce i mean bruce springsteen still does that much i think like time wise i think well what i'm saying is though i think that it's it's now like a trend to do that long if you can is what i'm is what i'm saying i don't think people are moving like chris brown that's for sure because that's that makes it obviously much harder but i just the way they talk about him is really funny to me it's it's literally like it's like i don't get it's like i it's like they're talking about someone else that i've never heard of i know and that well to me that's why i find it interesting i i and i've been same oh me too me too i've talked about chris brown for a long time and i don't i think i think the the bloom is off the rose and i don't want to be so attached to the team breezy movement as i used to be a couple years ago i've grown older and more mature But that's why it's so interesting to me that this person who everyone hates is touring more and selling more tickets than almost every person alive.

1:03:44I know. No, it's fascinating.

1:03:46Jason Stewart:With zero any help from anything. All on his own. No, he's just got fans. No, it's really impressive. I agree with all that. I just think that the impact of his music beyond his direct fan base is not as large as maybe they're making out to be. It's zero. The way that I would put it. You either love him or you haven't thought about him at all. I agree. There's no in between. But that means his fan base is gigantic. No, totally, totally, totally, totally. You know what I mean? Totally. And there's not really, I mean, they're not really, we're not really making them like that anymore. the guy who can sing his ass off and is good looking and dances is not really where we're at culturally hell no so he does feel he he fills a large void and i would i would love i would like to know what the demographics of these shows are i would love to know the age if it's all people our age if there are young people that have that have like embraced it because there's not much i think there's a lot of young people there a lot of young people i mean there must be especially out of out of the out of the country like in europe and yeah and beyond yeah all finland it's a bunch of fucking 16 year olds because they're like i don't know yeah they don't even know who ronny my grandma listened to rihanna i don't know yeah they don't they don't know any of that they don't know but yeah it is i i mean i do think he will never be accepted by the but in any sort of mainstream way and it's powerful to not need that he's a black fugazi yeah yeah exactly exactly except his concerts aren't five dollars i was about to say i bet you can buy just for inflation non-bootleg merch over at the at the chris brown show i bet you don't have to get the the t-shirt in the parking lot uh okay so we have i'm gonna be going to new york in a few days we're doing some events with our good friends at new balance we're gonna do a live podcast we're gonna have a little little friend activation a little tj dj set yeah excited chris i'm excited i mean i'm i'm having a i have a big week next week so i'm i'm um oh okay just i gotta we're moving you know so it's a it's a there's a lot happening right now but moving on uh moving on up but it's it's chris got a little bag he about to have a house with windows in it this is crazy bro life is changing uh but we're gonna do that then we're gonna go to chicago to talk to my old friend joe fresh goods at the infatuation eats con which i'm looking forward to um chicago we're backup in you should we have another meal at at rl yeah the only place that's the only place i want to eat i mean i i can't believe we're going back to chicago um but this might be the last time for a little while i'm gonna guess um but you never know you never know if the shy keeps calling me i'll i'll keep answering the only part about it that i don't like is it's not a delta city but you know i agree otherwise i agree um thank you guys for listening thank you guys for tolerating our break i hope you enjoyed some of the reruns um we're back this week with a freaky little span of podcasts with with guests um that is a i i would say i would say this is truly a week that illustrates um the range what we do what we do what we do yeah what we do i would say to quote our friends at radiohead the bends will be happening if you do not prepare your body for for the one-two punch that we have scheduled.

1:07:09Yeah, but that's, yeah, hopefully everything falls through. But yeah, a lot of things are falling into place scheduling-wise for the fall. I'm getting excited. We got some good stuff coming up.

1:07:18Jason Stewart:Okay. The only thing I ask as I go back, as we go back to Europe, just make sure it's not scheduled too late in the day so I could edit, that's all. Hey, man, we'll do it as early as we can, always. Hell yeah. All right, thank you for listening. Howlonggone.com is the website. If you did make it on the list for the New Balance, show we're doing at the One Hotel in Brooklyn. We'll see you there. Infatuation, we'll see you in Chicago. If you're in Austin in September, we'll be there for the Levitation Festival. Looking forward to that. I think that's it. We'll talk to you soon. With the Levitation, really quick, we were going to do a show off-site away from the festival as well as a show at the festival.

1:08:00Jason Stewart:We just moved it all onto the festival so you don't have to buy a separate ticket or go to a separate venue or whatever. unless you're going to come see Them Jeans and DJ Python, which is going to be fucking sick. I'll be there. I'm trying to see. Look, all I want to do is see if we can get Brian Jonestown Massacre to sit with us. I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think Anton's super interested in podcasting, but you never know. Anton, original DJ at Cinespace. You never know. Okay, we have an in. That's good to know. All right, thank you for listening. Jason, I hope you had a good holiday, and I will see you next week.

1:08:36Jason Stewart:Yeah, Tom.

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