834. - Jarvis Cocker

34:02I haven't really got the voice to be as Frank Sinatra or as Scott Walker or anybody like that. I admire those people and I wish that I could sing like them, I'm kind of stuck with my voice, which is expressive, shall we say. It's expressive.

34:20Jason Stewart:It is. But I think you have a crooner sense in you, just in your own style. Okay. Well, maybe I should try. You croon. You're encouraging me now. So maybe I could try and work more on that. Get out there and croon. Don't be afraid. I mean, I don't know if you're one of those guys. Some people are addicted to being on stage and performing. and some people, you know, it's okay and they can hang up the hat whenever it's time. Where do you think you stand in there? I've attempted to retire quite a few times. And... You have? Yeah, and I've never managed it because writing songs is the only thing I can do, really.

35:05And it's the way that I try and work out what I'm doing in my life. And also, it's the only way that I kind of remember what I have been doing in my life. You know, I've never kept a diary or anything. So songs are the only thing that will remind me of, you know, I'll listen to a song from 1988, and I'll remember what I was doing in that year, much more than if I try and just sit down and remember what I was doing. I'm shocked to hear that you've never kept a diary. That's interesting. but I did it did it make writing a book more difficult or do you think you were able to kind of get back there mentally when you needed to well I was really lucky actually with that that so the book was all based on stuff that was in a loft of the house and and the thing is so I when I moved down to London to go to college I brought lots of stuff with me I didn't really know why but it made me feel more kind of protected or something i don't know and i used to carry it from place to place because i was living in squats when i first arrived in london so you would stay somewhere and then a bailiff would come and say you've got to move out of this house and you'd have to pick it all up and move somewhere else so i moved this stuff around from place to place eventually pulled kind of sold some records and i bought a house and i put it all in the loft of this house then I split up with the woman that I was living with so I left the house because it was too depressing but all the stuff was still in the loft and some friends lived there for 20 years whilst I was in Paris and I used to kind of think why have I you know I I moved this stuff around it seemed like it was important to me at some time in my life I should look at it one day and And eventually I did look at it.

36:57And that was the thing that acted a bit like a diary because it was such a mess inside this loft where it all was. I would just pick an object up and look at it and think, why have I held on to this for 20 years? And then as I looked at it, I would remember where it had come from. And it would trigger memories. until I looked at object, I would never have remembered that thing again. No, it was an ingenious way to write a book like that. Because I do think that if you haven't kept a diary, you've got to have something to trigger that stuff. Yeah. I mean, I found a photograph of a mug in a car engine.

37:43Well, wedged in between some cables in a car engine. And I thought, what is that? And then suddenly I remembered that I had actually taken a guy who ran a garage to court because I'd taken my car to be repaired. And then it broke down about a day after. And I opened the hood of the car. And there was this cup. There was this tea mug wedged in the engine. So I just went back and said, what the fuck are you doing here? So you've kind of messed my car up. So, so, but I didn't remember that. I don't know how I, I mean, I actually went to court and represented myself in court and, and, and, and one, but I had no memory of this happening.

38:31So it's weird, you know, it's weird with the mind, the things that stick in it and the things that don't.

38:35Jason Stewart:Yeah. I'm glad that that one was unearthed because that's one of those memories that you'd want to remember because it has a good, happy ending. You fought the law and, and you won. Yeah. Well, you didn't fight the law, but you fought a bad boy. Yeah, I punched the air when I remembered that. A little celebration never hurt anybody. What is your... And instead of writing a song about it, you threw it in a box and here we go. Well, do you have enough stuff in this box to write memoir number two? Is there enough of a fever out there to get more chapters from you? How much shit is left are we going to just do based on suits?

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43:37Did you ever... I've been to Paris countless times in my life, and I don't really get it. I don't enjoy it the way some people do. Did you learn to love it, or were you there for love? Well, I ended up there because I got married, and my son went to school there. I didn't like... When I was first there, attempting to socialize was difficult. it's it's uh because in england you know the way you kind of meet people is you go to a pub you get really drunk and you kind of just kind of talk to people because you're drunk and then if you keep going to that pub you they become your friends and alcoholics maybe but um in in in paris you know people have dinner parties and things like that and they don't really go to, there are bars but you don't really socialise in that way, so I found it difficult to make friends there and stuff like that, but over the years then, I don't know, something weird happened after I'd been there for I don't know, 14 or 15 years suddenly I started to see what was good about it and weirdly, now that I don't live there anymore, like my son was living in my old flat there but now he's moved to london and i got rid of the flat and now i find myself i have actual dreams about paris quite a lot because it's weird when you've got you've got a kind of city mapped out in your mind but you're not there anymore it's like it's like uh part of you is missing or something it's a strange feeling well when you go back do you slide into it or or do have you not really been back unless you have to well we passed through it just the other day we were on our way to play concert in san malo which is on the coast and we we got a euro star and then we got in a van so i was you know i drove through it and it was quite a weird feeling to you know to recognize it but not realize you weren't part of it anymore no i get that i get that but i mean london is home i'm sure it feels better to be back yeah london's all right i mean my main my main revolution in my life has been that i've spent quite a lot of time in the countryside recently i'm becoming a bit of a kind of farmer giles kind of guy what do you what are you what are you doing out there walking around yeah i'm trying to learn the names of trees the only ones the only ones I really recognize at the moment are the obvious ones like an oak because I recognize the leaves of an oak tree I was brought up in Sheffield a very urban place but surrounding Sheffield is countryside and it's quite good being in the countryside it puts you in your place you look at a landscape that probably hasn't changed for thousands of years and you just realize that human life is not that big a deal.

46:44It gives you the perspective.

46:45Jason Stewart:Yeah. Just one small part of the planet Earth. Well, are you friends with our friend Plum Sykes? Do you know her? No, I don't. She's also a country liver, but we hung out at her house in the Cotswolds last summer. She was like a Vogue editor for a long time in the fashion world. But I wanted to ask you, as a country living person, how many hours can you leave a roast chicken out of the icebox for over there in the country probably all day yeah all day huh well as long as it's not in a heat wave or something if it's in the shade yeah i'd say all day i mean if you're leaving it out in broad sunlight then i'd say probably four hours okay do you have any and do you have any animals to speak of or is this just merely grass?

47:36No, no, no livestock, no. I mean, we've got a dog. Okay, that doesn't count. I was hoping for some livestock.

47:44Jason Stewart:Does the dog know how to catch the ducks after you shoot them? No, he doesn't. He watches sheep dogs and I can see that he's quite jealous of how they round up sheep. So maybe he could become the first Chihuahua sheepdog, you know, that would be like that could be my claim That would be revelatory, that would be big Yeah, that could be my claim to fame What's the Chihuahua's name? It's called Tony Tony, okay, that sounds like you named your dog after your Coke dealer in the 90s, but I like it It's actually named after Tony Soprano Because you're just such a fan of the program? Well, yeah, because it was a lockdown purchase Yes, the dog.

48:30And we watched all the Sopranos during the lockdown, and that helped a lot. And I enjoyed it a lot. So Tony became the obvious name. And he fulfills, he kind of lives up to the name. Oh, does he? He has a similar attitude, the way he views the world.

48:49Jason Stewart:Yeah, kind of. How much more reading do you get done in the country versus in the city? Probably, yeah, probably read a little bit more in the country. Okay. But not that much more. It's harder to get books in the countryside, so I have to kind of carry them around. I mean, that's something that I do on tour as well, and my bag weighs a lot because, especially, like, you know, we're coming to America, so we'll be there for three weeks, so I'll probably end up bringing maybe eight or nine books. Wow. One or two of them might be hardbacks, so that is quite a lot to carry around. Yeah, that does add some kilos to the Czech bag.

49:29I just read, I'm a bit late to, I just read On the Road by Jack Kerouac whilst we were on the road. And I really liked it. So I think I'll probably try and read some more by him whilst I'm in America. Yeah, that seems like a good idea. Wow, okay. So you just, why do you think you put that off for so long? Because that's a book that most fellas, you know, that's like high school. Yeah. A rite of passage. when you tackle that one if you have a cool teacher yeah if you have a cool teacher yeah well i think i think um i had a kind of slightly immature attitude when i was younger like i thought that i didn't want to read all the books that everybody else was reading i wanted to discover new ones and stuff so i kind of tried to do that and then as you get older you realize that books are well known are well known for a reason because they're good so uh so i i'd been bought on the road a couple of times for my birthday and so far and just never really felt like reading it and then I just suddenly thought you know what, I'm going to read that and I really enjoyed it it's quite strange to read it I'm 61 now so yeah, like you say, it's more of a book that you read when you're younger to give you an idea about a different way of living your life if you want to live it that way and it was very influential in its time but yeah Yeah, I really enjoyed it, so I think I will try and read more of them.

50:58Now, do you have your own bus in these situations? So you've got the back lounge set up Jarvis style? I've got a bit of a, I try to avoid tour buses. You fly. Well, it's just when, the first time I came to America, it was when Paul supported Blur. Blur did a tour in 1994. And we had to travel on a bus and we had to share it with the crew as well. And we had to sleep on it, you know, because we didn't have much of a budget for it. So that was just like a kind of very traumatizing experience. It's just like the way that people turn feral very quickly on those buses. And you just spend two days traveling across the desert.

51:48and then he's supposed to sleep in this kind of coffin-like alcove, and I hated it. So we definitely don't have a tour bus as in a bus that we live on. We will travel by bus because some of the dates are quite near. So being on a bus for two hours is okay. That's all right. That's just like... Sure, you can handle that. It's the overnight stuff that puts you on edge. Yeah, yeah. I think that's reasonable. I mean, it is a terrible way to live and travel, but I thought it was sort of unavoidable at a certain point, but you've earned the right to figure out a new way for yourself. Thank you. I appreciate you saying that.

52:31Yeah, I'm sure everybody appreciates that about you. I'm sure everybody appreciates that about you.

52:36Jason Stewart:When I was talking about Tina earlier, but I was realizing when I was listening to that song, are there any other songs where you, I guess they're kind of named after women or you're calling out to a woman's name like Deborah or Tina? Is this a theme where there's more songs that I can't think of right now? Yeah, I mean, that's what I realized with that song. I realized that maybe I had what could even, I guess, could be considered an issue with that because you mentioned Deborah from Disco 2000, but there's also a pulp song called Sylvia. there was a pulp b there was a pulp b side called paula there was a solo single that i did called angela uh and now it's tina so i've obviously got a thing about women's names that that end in a i don't know why but are all these women real so i think well deborah yeah deborah definitely was real that that song is pretty true it's about a girl i was born in the same hospital as her and went to the same school as her.

53:46Sylvia was a girl who looked a bit like Sylvia Plath, so that wasn't her real name. Paula was a girl from Hull who used to follow Pulp around a bit. Angela was I don't know if that was her name at all, it was just somebody I saw in Australia once. And Tina was real. Tina was real and Tina was a woman in Sheffield who I thought I would try and talk to once but then just as I was walking over to her she started talking to another guy and so I gave up but then I kind of used to bump into her occasionally and developed a bit of an obsession with her which ended up being the inspiration for that song which is really the guy who sings that song is kind of a jerk I suppose It's fun to create these characters isn't it?

54:40yeah um but yeah i i i enjoy singing that song actually yeah it's it's a great one i did want to talk about clothes a little bit um okay just because i you know i feel like that is something that you are passionate about and i i have you have you been working with someone to make these suits and these jackets for years or do you kind of spread the love around uh yeah well all my clothes used to be second hand yeah you know i that started from really in the aftermath of punk rock happening um where i didn't want to wear flares anymore so i just started going to jumble sales which i guess they're like a bit like yard sales but but they would be in like a church and you would get clothes very cheaply and um i kind of developed i don't know a look from doing that then I graduated to charity shops and did that for quite a long time then actual vintage clothing shops but then in recent years I have had things make I guess because now the clothes I'm interested in are like 50 years old so you would never see them in a charity shop you know so there's a tailor in Paris and the shop is called husbands oh yeah i'm familiar with i'm familiar with that's that's really up your street look wise yeah so so most of my clothes are made by them like all the clothes i wear on stage now are made by them oh that's great i didn't i didn't realize that i didn't know that that i mean he makes suits that i really like but i don't think would work on my frame um but i'm glad that you found him because i feel like you are the right frame yeah he's a good guy i feel like he has good taste in music yeah yes he has got good taste

56:39Jason Stewart:um do you remember the last i know you used to probably go to raves back in the day yeah in the 80s and 90s do you remember the last rave you went to well i mean that's a long time ago because you know raves the thing that i liked about raves was um a lot of the fun was just finding them in the first place you know it was like it was just after i'd arrived in london so 1988 the first one we went to was we bought a ticket and and there was a coach that left from soho square and uh we were on this coach and as as we got near to the party everybody started smiling and laughing so they almost like had a knee on the in the coach and were getting in the mood but we just thought wow these people are in a good mood and um you know that that first that first encounter with the rave was such an amazing revelation to me because having been brought up in Sheffield and you know I'd gone to nightclubs from quite an early age there was always a an edge of violence in nightclubs in Sheffield people would like guys would try and get off with girls and if they couldn't get off with girls they'd just beat somebody up just for something to do so it was always a bit like it was it was fun but you had to be careful and and what i liked about raves was as soon as you got in there you know there was like a a big ferris wheel in the background and all these lasers going off and everybody was just in a really good mood nobody was really drinking alcohol and getting wasted and people just dancing all night and it was it was like what i dreamt a nightclub would be like and so i really remember that first uh experience because i just thought wow this is the future and the future is going to be great and then you know we i i kind of got a bit disillusioned with it i suppose i one rave to war i don't know if this was the last one i went to but there was you know the police didn't Like raves, they were illegal.

58:48They were settled without people knowing it. And it became a kind of cat and mouse thing that would happen that people would... If you could get everybody to the rave before the police knew where it was, then they probably wouldn't be able to stop it happening. But the police started getting wise to the fact that people were using mobile phones because it was in the very early days of mobile phones and they would track things. So there was one night when we kept going to places and then the police had got there first. So they said, all right, OK, we've moved it to. And then they give you another map reference.

59:25I mean, we're just driving around, driving around, driving around all that. And we finally got to this party and they'd had to set the sound system up in a escape tunnel underneath the M25 motorway. So it was just a concrete channel. and with speakers at one end and i don't know i just got this feeling in mind i i remember dancing and then i was walking down the tunnel and i felt like i was moving back in time and i got to the end of the tunnel and there were people kind of sat in the grass and i thought they were like cavemen and it was all like uh it was all a bit weird and and i'm sure you were you were sober for all this too right no um i wasn't got it got it got it uh yeah and and um yeah when he's dancing in an escape tunnel that's supposed to be for badgers and deer to stop getting run over on a motor i just saw yes and then then you know then places like that like the ministry of sound opened and clubs that played rave music but once it was indoors and it was just another club uh it died for me and i i just it was it was the kind of renegade aspect of it that that was exciting right right right has to have a little danger what is the what is your like these days how often are you going to see a band play a friend or someone you want to see or is it pretty much like unless you're touching the stage i'm not going to kind of get out of bed uh no no i i i mean i lost the last show i went to see was oasis at wembley stadium we went to we went to jason and i but We went on Sunday.

1:01:11We were there on Sunday. I went on Saturday because we had played in Sheffield on Friday night and a friend of mine said, oh, I can get you into Oasis tomorrow. Straight after the concert, we traveled down to London and went. I don't know what you thought, but that was quite an amazing experience, I have to say. the atmosphere of it was yeah that was everybody singing the songs it was it was a really unusual uh atmosphere uh i agree i mean i i said that that many happy people in one place is sort of unheard of yeah but but you're right singing every word to every song uh is a very rare occurrence because usually bands you know they like to play some new stuff that nobody cares about yeah and that that's gonna that's gonna limit the singing yeah yeah yeah it was great i i loved it it was it was a quite a good experience so i was i was i found

1:02:13Jason Stewart:myself surprised that so many people like the same amount of people were singing along to the richard ashcroft songs as well i was really happy for him yeah yeah and i feel like it's given his career like a big second life yeah i mean that was a perfect i mean him doing bittersweet symphony just before they come on just gets everybody up to a pitch of excitement you know So, yeah, it was good because I when I saw that he was going to be Richard Ashcroft and cast and I saw God, this is going to be a real kind of 90s nostalgia exercise. But it worked. You know, I was I was I was really impressed with that.

1:02:49How do you feel about the nostalgia of things and how it's all coming back? And I mean, I'm sure you benefit from it in some ways, but it sounds like you're turned off by it as a whole. Well, no, I mean, it's funny, actually, because, you know, Britpop, which is a word that I don't like, but I think the reason that it didn't really work back in the 90s was because it was really enthralled to the 60s. You know, it was thinking that it could make the 60s happen again. And that was doomed to failure because you can't make the past come back to life. But it was a time when people were bothered about music, and I think that's why those Oasis concerts have worked, because everybody was aware of them, and everybody knows the words to those songs.

1:03:40You might be surprised that you know all the words to those songs. So it's a collective experience, and that was the main thing that I took away from it, was that what's happened since the 90s is that most of the rest of society has become less about collective experiences you know you you look at a lot of things on your own on a screen on your phone or on your ipad or on your computer and so a lot of entertainment has become just you or maybe you'll text somebody but to be stood there with like 70 000 people all in the same frame of mind is an amazing feeling you know that's why I think live music is still a valid thing because it's something that only happens when you're there with an audience.

1:04:32Otherwise, you're just rehearsing. A rehearsal is a completely different thing. You're playing the same songs, but when you're playing it and there are people there, how they react to it alters what you do. And it's not something that you can completely quantify and say how it works or why it works but it does work when you when you guys are playing what what is the are there more young people there than you you thought there would be or you are you surprised at the demographics that are coming to a pulp show in 2025 oh yeah well i mean yeah what we played last last autumn and and that was something that i was really i noticed straight away because you you look out into the audience and you see people and i'm thinking well why are you here because you weren't even born when we were last here.

1:05:20Why are you here? I've always been curious about that. I always wonder about, I've always wanted to know what brings people together, you know, because that's the exciting thing about a concert. You know, you get people coming from all over the place and they all gather in this one room and it's the only time ever that they'll all be in that room together and they're watching something. and you make something happen between you and the audience. And like I said, I love that. It's what makes songs come back to life when you play them to people and you get a reaction back from them. Then it's not, it isn't a nostalgic thing because it's something happening right then in that moment.

1:06:09No, that's a good way to look at it. I've never thought of it that way as far as the nostalgia portion of it. But, I mean, we talked about this in the intro a little bit, but you're one of the few bands that reunited and put out an album that was good. And I want to just say congratulations because that is a feat that not many people accomplish.

1:06:31Jason Stewart:Well, thanks. Many dare. It is. It's just a funny, most of the time, you're dreading that from a band that you love. you're like please god do not put out new music i would just want to see you play you know i just want to see you play i want to have that experience yeah who what other bands have i guess like when new order got back together and put out that record whatever 20 years ago that one i was like oh thank god it's good you know it happens every once in a while it's just a rare it's i mean but i think that the the touring of it all has gotten so much more popular that that it's it's bringing bands back to the studio i think because they they just see that the audience is still there but the results just aren't very good in my yeah my listening experience you could tell when they're doing it for the money and whether or not yeah i guess so i mean that was yeah that i mean it's as simple as that that's true the way that the record came about was really from playing and and there was one song the song that's on the record called him of the north that was a song that i'd written for a play that had come out in 2019 and i i gave that song to the guy who was doing the string arrangements for the live shows we were doing and he worked out an arrangement so then we would just play that sound check which just made sound checks a bit more interesting because we were playing something we weren't familiar with and then we just thought okay well well, why don't we just try and play it?

1:08:03And I think, you know, that's how you are when you first start for a band. You know, you write songs and you think, okay, could we play this for people? And then it's exciting to see what people make of it. And, you know, luckily the night when we played it in Sheffield, no one threw anything at us on stage or walked away to the bar. So then I just thought, okay, well, let's see how far we get with that. Let's keep writing songs. if nothing else it'll give us other things to play live and eventually we had enough songs that were good that we thought okay we'll make a record but I'm glad that we played them live first because until you play a song in front of an audience you don't really learn whether it's good or not as soon as you play it to an audience you can tell whether they're into it or not and also you can tell which bits of the song work and which bits you still have to do some work on.

1:09:01Jason Stewart:It seems very similar to the way a comedian would work out a routine, trying it out in front of the crowd and then when it's finally done. But usually it's the other way around with bands. You write the record at someone's house in Malibu and then three years later you're playing them for the first time and you hope everyone likes it. But I'm glad that you guys sort of reverse engineer it. Yeah, well, I mean... Because then you end up with more good songs. Yeah, I think so, because we have done that in the past, and you have this horrible moment where you play it, you've recorded it, and you play it, and you realize, oh, I'm singing that bit too low.

1:09:42As soon as you're singing it to an audience, you just realize really fundamental things about a song. And if you've already recorded it, it's too late to put it right. So, yeah, that's my... If this was a workshop we were doing, that would be my advice to young musicians. Play songs live, learn about them, and also write lyrics before you go in the studio. There's two things I'll learn. That seems like good advice. We talked about song titles earlier, but since I first saw and heard Sorted for Ease and Whiz, I thought that was one of the greatest song titles of all time. and it really just still grabs me to this day.

1:10:26And I just want to thank you for that. I want to thank you for that. All right, well, we should really be thanking a girl whose name I can't remember because she gave me that title because I was in a club that's just shut down actually in Sheffield called The Lead Mill. And I was talking to this girl and she said that she'd been to the famous Stone Roses concert at Spike Island. and I said oh what was that like and she said well all I can remember is that there were these scally guys walking around and they were just going everybody started for these and whiz, everybody started for these and whiz and that phrase kind of stuck in my mind and we were trying to finish different classes at the time trying to just write songs because we'd released Common People with only one of the songs written and we had to make some shit we had to yeah so so that became the chorus of that song yeah so unknown girl in sheffield thank you thank you and i also think that and and jason and i come to london a lot and we both really like it we spent a lot of time there and i think that the the class stuff that comes up so much i i think i learned at least uh from a top-down view of that from pulp in a lot of ways like what that stuff was and kind of what it meant and how and not realizing how important it was to sort of the fabric of british society which is what i've come to understand yeah it's a weird thing the class system in in the uk uh i suppose if you know you you're brought up with it so it's it's uh and and you know that was the whole idea of of the different class record because I always felt a bit ambivalent to it all because you know I was born in Sheffield that's a pretty working class place but I was scared of working class people like miners because they would just beat you up if you were wearing strange clothes and stuff like that so I could kind of think oh yeah theoretically I'm on your side but please stop kicking me in the face and then Sheffield's also quite a big student town so you would get more middle class people coming there and that was kind of good because you could go to their parties and drink their drink for nothing on the weekend but I just got this feeling that there had to be another class you had to kind of try and escape from these weird bands that you had I didn't want to belong to a particular demographic group So that was a whole kind of idea behind that.

1:13:12But it still does. As you say, you must have been aware that if you come to London, it's still alive and kicking. Yeah, it's just it's very it's I think there's also just in America being upwardly mobile and striving to be rich and successful is sort of what we reward. Yeah. In many ways. And I think that's a very big difference. It doesn't it feels like in London or in the UK that you're kind of supposed to stay where you're at. It's not as rewarded to be a striver. No, you're right.

1:13:45Jason Stewart:I was just going to say, despite all of that, growing up in California, I was able to piece together what all of that meant. I was able to create my own version of common people where I lived. Our version of renting a flat above the shop, we can figure out and make that our own. Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. It was really fun, you know, growing up and bopping around to your songs when I was, you know, like Chris said, when we were teenagers. It really made music fun, and we still play your music all the time. I'm going to DJ a party tonight, and I'm sure I'll play one or two Pulp songs. So thank you for everything you've done and taking the time to chat with us.

1:14:29Yeah, thank you for your service. All right. maybe come and see us if you if you're around yeah we'll try yeah if we're in if we're in town we'll definitely try to come to one of the shows i would love to i missed the last i missed the last round but yeah thanks again we appreciate it all right and uh hopefully we see you soon all right thanks a lot all right later hi i don't usually make any notes before we play because i think you should always be spontaneous on stage you know what i mean You know what I mean? I think you should come on and be in the moment. And you know, we come on here and you're there and we do our thing and we see what you make of it.

1:15:07And then it comes back to us and it's something that happens, right? Which is what I believe in. But because I was sat in the tent today and I was thinking about things, I did actually write a few things down. So let's see if I've missed any of the mail. Carrots, potatoes, peat... Oh no, that's my shopping list now.

1:15:39Alright, I've said most things, the only thing is... You can't buy feelings, you can't buy anything worth having. Also, the other thing is... If you want something to happen enough, then it actually will happen. Okay.

1:15:55And I believe that. In fact, that's why we're stood on this stage today, after 15 years. Because we wanted to try for it. You know what I mean?

1:16:11So, if a Lank you get like me can do it, and us lot, yeah? You can do it too. Alright?

1:16:20So, on that positive note, this is the last song we can't play anymore after this. This is... Carmen P. Hope.

1:16:40She came from me, she had her best but not her age. She stood sculpturing to Martin's cards That's what I Call her I

1:16:55She told me that I'd have to slow down I sent a piece to a rumor Come, come, come She said, fine And then in 30 seconds time She said, I want to look like common people I want to do whatever common people do I want to sleep with common people I want to sleep with common people like you Well, what else could I do? I sit down, I see what I can do

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