849. - Richard Ashcroft

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0:47how long gone what up what up chris black i'm back in the united states of america i'm in new york city it's been a couple hours so far so good unbelievable it's truly unbelievable um them jeans

1:02Jason Stewart:how are you doing today i'm good i'm good just in the middle balls deep right in the middle of a three-peat pod recording week because we have some travel coming up but what a what a great diverse musical week that we're in i'm feeling great thank you um well i'm working out i'm gonna Just thank you to everyone who got in touch with me to let me know. They were really impressed with our sort of wherewithal when our last guest gave us absolutely nothing. And I said, usually when someone gives us absolutely nothing, I don't like it, but this time for some reason I loved it. And I think it was actually so fun.

1:44I don't know what got into me, but Cass wasn't really giving us much, but I think he had a good time too. Is that your feeling?

1:50Jason Stewart:I think he had a good time. I think it's one of those situations where to him, that was like doing, you know, kill Tony level of fun. But then the way that it's projected out onto, you know, the audience, one could easily confuse that for lack of interest or desire to be there. but I think he's just a, like, you know, he said he's a self-proclaimed grumpy guy, just sort of across the board, day-to-day basis, you know, in a Larry David kind of curmudgeon way, but he also is sometimes a man of few words, but he's a giggler, you know, he's just a weird guy. Yeah, no, it's true. He gave us more than he had to, considering what I was expecting, you know, based on reputation, but whatever, it was fun.

2:39Jason Stewart:Not every battle is easy, but we got the fish in the boat, and that's what counts. That is what counts, Jason. You've always got your eye on the prize. Yeah, I love fish. We put out the TJ's blend today with Pure Beauty. You can go buy that anywhere you live on the World Wide Web. Yeah, you can buy it on their website, and I'm pretty positive that it's DTC, like legally ship it to you wherever you are in America. have at it y 'all enjoy it like uh like i said in the description it's something you can have a little bit before you work out before you hike little pilates do some squatting you can also hit it before bed go night night time it's all there has a little night night i usually don't like like weeds that have or like hybrids or combos or blends that have cbd in it because what's the point?

3:36Jason Stewart:You know what I mean? You're taking up valuable real estate in the joint with marijuana that could get you high. You know what I mean? Dude, I get it, bro. Trust me. But the CBD is like an award-winning one that has a one-to-one ratio. Award-winning? All right, can you share? Yeah, please share me. Please show me the governing body that gave the CBD an award. I mean, at the very least, I know you've heard of the cannabis cup, right, Chris? Of course. No, that's true. That's true. I've had an issue of high times in my life. That's not out of the question. I'm not saying they won the cannabis cup.

4:13Jason Stewart:I'm just saying that is an award governing board. Okay. But I'm going to say probably. I know that they've won awards for sure. It's really good. No, I'm joking. And our good friend Sam Jane designed all the packaging. Revolutionary. What a guy. And then this weekend. What a guy. This weekend we're going to be in Austin, Texas, Levitation Festival, and then Friday, you're hearing this today in Austin, if you are there, doing a little ticket giveaway for the club with DJ Python and me. So you can send an email to howlongatresoundpresents.com, the word resound and the word presents. and then first 10 people to send an email get on the guest list for free plus one send in your emails come out to the club me and python it's gonna be fun i can't wait to be there i'm gonna stay up till midnight at least good um you'll be able to see some of us yeah i'll be able to see 30 minutes 30 minutes of you uh i was joking about i was talking to somebody about djing and and like how i you know i hear about these guys and where they play and what time they play and it's it's it's literally like they live they live on a different planet than the one that i live on it's like i don't i can't even imagine that being my sort of day in and day out life but it's i'm happy that it exists of course i think it's very cool i mean and some of them are are in their 50s you know that's that's because they that's that's because they don't have a choice They don't have a way out at that point.

5:50You know what I mean? Their body and mind is...

5:53Jason Stewart:Well, I mean, some of them are in their 50s, but also, you know, what are they going to do? Quit making 20 million a year? Well, sure. Pouring the world in your private jet? I'm not saying that level. I'm saying like, I would say a few rungs below that on the ladder. Oh, we're talking about the punter down at the pub. I'm saying guys who make a living. Playing his cheeky tunes. I'm saying a guy who makes a living, but they're not on a private jet by any means. you know it's like a you know it's still it's still a better job than than many jobs that are that are on offer so you're talking about me you got it okay no no no no you have several income streams you have several income streams yeah djing but one pedal on the flower of me dude it's it feels so good to be back in america i that's the that i can never be in germany for that long again that is just not you don't even care if they have free speech over there you will still hang out in america preferably shit who gives a shit yeah i didn't really watch um the jimmy kimmel cry fest 20 minute monologue where he sort of played both sides a little bit i guess which i i don't know what we would expect him to do in that instance but yeah i would play both sides in his ferragamos you play but we we know you play both sides uh but i i think no no no no didn't mean it like I think upon further reflection I'm like if I'm him and I really care this much and I'm really this principled and I'm really this much of a bleeding heart you take the money from your contract and you're never to be heard from again on television you've made hundreds of millions of dollars you can still be a producer an executive producer you can still develop this and do that I'm sure you have several production companies you have plenty of money if you're really that principled Man show reboot.

7:40If you're really standing on business, you walk away. He's kind of doing the opposite of standing on business in some ways.

7:47Jason Stewart:I would say he's standing on business by not bending the knee. I guess he's bending both knees, but not in a fuck me in the ass kind of way. More of like an Asian squat. So it's sort of neutral still. I think that he, like I said on the last episode, there could be a scenario where he doesn't really have the option contractually or not to just up and leave. You know what I mean? I think that if he will... Not in a, like, we're going to break your legs kind of way. It's not in a casino-style shakedown where they're going to hit him with a hammer? I disagree. I think they'd love to see him go away.

8:26Jason Stewart:Maybe so. I mean, maybe they want him to go away, but they can't operate without a Kimmel until they find a replacement and they just need more time. I don't know. I don't think they want the... But do you think that they asked him to cry? no I think that motherfucker will cry over anything I think it's like I think those I think him as Stephen Colbert can cry on demand like a great actor and luckily if there's any liberal cause they're able to shed tears on cue on camera do you think those were toxic tears no no no I think he do you think those were like gaslighty tears you know what I mean no no no I think he's genuinely I think he's genuinely a pussy and like a guy who would cry about something i don't know i just like if somebody dies i get it you cry like stuff like that like you don't cry over over stuff like this to me well i think you do you do cry over that stuff and then you turn 11 or 12 and then you become yeah somewhat of a you hit puberty and then you stop crying about that stuff i just don't i just don't the whole thing is like i'm so tired of hearing about it it's like i i can't believe how quickly it took over the news cycle completely i don't think we're done i think it's going to continue in some in some regard uh at least on you know in our corners of the internet i mean if i was kimmy i was kimmy if i was kimmy jimmel i would i would he he probably got straight up death threats he was probably shook at home and yeah but he gets death threats all the time he's been getting death threats for 20 years no on all these guys i mean if you if you yeah but the the death the death threat seo was huge in the last week though you know i don't think that i think that he really i think the sad part to me is that he really believes this shit like he really this shit is real to him and he's trying to be he's trying to sort of deny that he's a multi-millionaire celebrity that is known globally by face and sort of pretending to be this little guy that's getting picked on by the president.

10:31The president is an idiot and they are picking on him, but he's not some cowering. You know what I mean? He's not the underdog to me.

10:41Jason Stewart:It's like when Joe Rogan will be like, I'm just a little, little comedian. What are you talking? That kind of thing. Yeah, it's like, dude, no, you're not. You have more influence than 99.99911. That's kind of what I mean. That's kind of what I mean. Well, I was just presenting that possibility because his tears were almost giving like, you know, I fear for my life style, like, please, sir, humiliation ritual kind of energy. I don't believe anything. And I think everybody is doing whatever they can to further their career and their reputation in this instance. because a guy like Jimmy Kimmel and even guys like us, this isn't a bad quality.

11:27It's just a reality. Want to be liked. That's what that job is. You're sort of like America's fun uncle. That's your entire existence. So if you lose that and everybody hates you, I think it also sends you into a sort of tailspin of who am I? What have I been doing for the last 20 years?

11:47Jason Stewart:Hey, these are tough times to navigate if you're the type of person who... When you try to appeal to everyone, you end up appealing to no one. I think guys like that also who are going to Cabo for two weeks with Jennifer Aniston in a private plane, I just don't. He's been doing this too long to have any illusions of anything else. This is what he does. This is all he's ever done. I don't know. If I was a late-night person going through this, Jimmy Kimmel would be the first person I would call because he would know exactly how to handle it. Yeah, yeah. He should be handling this. Yeah, a little better.

12:29Anyway, we have a guest today. He penned the national anthem of the United Kingdom. Richard Ashcroft is a singer and songwriter. We love the Verve. We love his solo music. He has a new album coming out. It's called Loving You on Virgin, October 3rd. The final Oasis shows, which he's been opening at Wembley, or this weekend if you're in London. Anyway, we're really pleased to talk to him. And we're going to ask him about his skincare and hair care routines just to kind of get the real dirt that you guys are looking for. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. That sounds right until you actually do the math.

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16:23just gonna happen i want my fairy tale ending married at first sight now streaming new episodes thursdays only on peacock all right richard what's going on how are you yeah i'm very well thank you yeah yourselves guys you're good lovely yeah we're good i was just complaining about i just got back from berlin a couple hours ago so i'm feeling i'm feeling rough and ready if you will yeah yeah i get it yeah i've been traveling a bit the last few weeks months yeah i get that feeling man your whole life you mean yeah where are you where are you guys where you're flown to uh i'm i'm back in new york um so it's you know it's nice to be home i can't but it's it's a little it's still warm here it's feeling uh summer-ish and berlin was not feeling summer so i'm having a little bit of a whiplash situation yeah new york so you can have some beautiful septembers i've been in new york in september it can be it's a great month for new york and it's the best you could have the best two weeks of your life if god you know intervenes yeah it can be it can be really did you ever live in new york or no no i know i um i had him like a lot of well a lot of people not just musicians but yeah i did harbor a dream to um to uh move there at some point but no i've stayed there for you know a while you know a few weeks and things like that and i i love that i I love that place.

17:44I mean, obviously, all anyone says is, oh, it's changed, it's changed, oh, it's not the same, and blah, blah, blah. But every time I go, I've not been for a few years now. I just, as soon as I got on the street, the energy. I used to change. So originally, we'd stay at the Chelsea Hotel. And it was still kind of, I think the guy running it was like the son of the original owners, you know? He was asking questions like, how come you guys haven't plugged the amps in the room yet? So the first night we arrived there, so my first night in New York was crazy in a sense that. We checked into the Chelsea and I was in this room called the Snail Suite and everything was shaped like a snail.

18:28It was strange. And I looked out of the window and then I could see the iconic sign and then like a little marijuana leaf just drifted past my window from above. and yeah we had a flatbed yeah we had a flatbed truck waiting for us outside the chelsea and that night we went on the back of a flatbed truck and we just drove around new york went through the meat markets to times square and we were just jamming on this flatbed truck what was this was this promotional or was this just yeah fun it was kind of like promotional was this brought you by sprite yeah it was brought to us by some substance a god knows what it was but uh um it was i think there was a show that night as potentially even a show later on or something it was just such a crazy introduction to new york and like yeah that's where it started off and then i started staying a bit more sort of um so and then then over the years i got more into just staying it close to the park on the park really because that's where it still feels like an intersection of the whole world around there you know what i mean take a football down the park and walk down to strawberry fields have a look at the dakota and i that i love that and that old money sort of area around there it's like i think that the yeah they've redone the chelsea and it's popping again it's like a full scene in a in a good way they did a good job with it so it's uh it's i mean usually stuff like that just kind of goes away you know what i mean because it just can't sustain itself but someone you know swooped in and saved it well that's good hopefully they preserved

20:15Jason Stewart:the snail shapes i want to know more about yeah when you said everything was in the shape of a snail yeah i mean i want how detailed was it was the bed slippery yeah you know kind of like a shell over it so you could have like yeah i mean it was crazy i mean the whole heating system and everything was archaic and i remember looking out of the because it was quite high up looking across that was the first time i saw all the sort of water coolers and back then you know i i'm not sure whether the infrastructure of america has really been dealt with anyway since then but it was quite hard i can't being brought up on big fridges cookies and milk happy days you know you guys are you guys were showering in the 50s it took us until about 1989 to get a shower in england you know but it was in sure we saw it was surprising to see how old a lot of the underbelly really was no and that you see that from the rooftops you see that in the electrics and the and the plugs in the chelsea and the heat and you know no air conditioner or anything like that but it was a real insight into it was like another like the matches still had you know like jfk on and it was just strange it was like a strain at the time even though it was the early 90s and you think well this surely it was so much different by then but actually there was still a hint of the 70s you know what i mean or god knows when a lot of this infrastructure was put in but what was interesting is my last foray into i don't know if you guys have ever had a drink in the bar in the mandarin oriental on columbus circle you must have a drink in that actually no i have i know what you're talking about but no i haven't well this thing it's got a huge plate glass window and it's kind of on parallel with when the the architecture and the skyscrapers stop and the park starts.

22:12You get this amazing sense of just this like tidal wave of buildings just stopping and then trees and whatnot. And I love this view. And one night I decided you know what, I'm just sitting in this chair on my own and I'm going to stay here all night. I'm going to wait until dawn. And we'd have been in this other hotel, I won't name it, it wasn't very cool. We got into this one and it was all like, oh yeah, it was incredible. It was like Fantasy Island or something. and um i'm sat there drinking and having a couple of drinks on my own looking out the view and one of the guys started hoovering for the next day and the concierge came home and said oh mr ask would you would you like me to tell him to stop and i'm like no no it's cool get it he's got to do his job get it get on with it and then it was like shall we turn the music down and no it's fine everything's cool just cool so i just sat there and watched the dawn break on um new york and um that was amazing so yeah i've seen some of the roughest gaffes not necessarily some of the worst places i've stayed in some great hotels the last great hotel i stayed in was pretty funny story actually because i think they gave what was liam gallagher's room to me by accident because he recommended this hotel because he'd stayed there before yeah sure sure so he said um he said you've got to stay in this hotel on central park it's amazing it's old school it's and i was like okay and i was doing a gig with him in um central park i saw that gig actually at summer stage i remember it was pouring rain that's right yeah yeah so two days before i check into this hotel i don't think liam's arrived at this point and um the guy said oh mr ashcroft he said i'm pleased to inform you we've been giving you an upgrade and i'm like great fantastic you know not really expecting anything anyway i end up in this room and the corridor that is part of the apartment really it wasn't really a room it was an apartment it was huge was bigger than most people's flats you know in new york most people's apartments just the corridor and i found out it was one of the most expensive pieces of real estate ever to be sold the last and it had a triple aspect view over the zoo in Central Park.

24:28And it had the craziest steam room you've ever seen, the maddest bathroom, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, so, because we haven't really met up on, we've done a few shows, we haven't really met up. And, you know, socialized really at all. We haven't had time. And he was like, he said, do you want to come up to us? Because I've got a balcony. And I was like, mate, I'm not going up anywhere. There's nowhere left to go in this hotel for me. I'm on the top floor. i don't know i think your trainers i think your trainers are still under the bed here and he was like what yeah and um to be fair he added a very very nice room with a huge balcony and um that was very nice but yeah that new york man i know we've gone off on that but it's always worth it because um you know i've recorded in new york i recorded in studios that they are now chung king and i've had some great nights great nights and great concerts and you know good memories really it's funny you brought up the dakota because i over the holidays my friend had a christmas party there and i was really upset i wasn't able to go because i've never been in an apartment there and it's something i feel like you gotta you gotta see if you've especially if you've lived here long enough yeah i think what people underestimate is just the enormousness of some of those things you know what i mean i think yoko and john they bought yeah want you know ones that were parallel to them and etc etc well i think there's those kind of i remember i think it's the odd couple or something like that that the 70s the odd couple if i was going to live in new york i was always wanting to live in one of those huge apartments you know same same i'm still i'm kind of working up to that you know i have some time i hope you know yeah but in reality for most of us we end up being willie lowman in death of a salesman don't we in a in our tiny apartment because yeah it's pretty expensive new york and it only got more and more as time went on and it you know places even when i first went there that were kind of totally undeveloped just suddenly it seemed within the space of five ten years it was like these properties were multi-million dollars you know and they were like yeah no man's land only well they yeah there's there's there's there's nothing left like nothing to develop Yeah, when I first moved here, I just remember people being like, oh, I bought this in my studio at Williamsburg for$100 ,000.

26:49Now it's worth X million. Wow. And it's like there's nowhere to go. And if it is, it's so far out. It's like you might as well be in New Jersey. You don't want that. I don't want to wait 30 years for this to appreciate. I want to live in the place where I like. It doesn't make sense to me. but it's yeah there's not much and i'm sure i mean i'm sure that's true about london too even though london's got the crazy sprawl like i don't you know how far can you go you know before it's like well i'm just living somewhere else at a certain point exactly yeah it happens everywhere and now there's not enough space left for the artist because generally the the cliche is and it's normally true you know when our young artists find places in a place no one else wants to be they build a buzz they build a community then a few coffee shops open and then yeah oh yeah it's over it's like hoxton hoxton over here you know hoxton was like where's where i did the video of a bit of sweet symphony around there and even back then 96 7 it was like it wasn't really happening at that point but it was as an artist hub because the space for studios and etc was cheap but um then it just it becomes this thing and then it's gone but um same with brooklyn you know what i mean you live do you live you live in the countryside now right or do you live in london too yeah i'm a i'm a cliched rock and roller i've i've got the patterned town and um and some makers

28:16Jason Stewart:in the countryside you know i mean i think every every successful british person we know that is what you do right why not it's the best of both worlds if you can get it yeah absolutely how which which house of yours the country or the city is closer to the river cafe the river cafe in london yeah yeah yeah yeah well this one is very close okay well i was just i was just in london and it was the the tube strike and it really fucked up my 48 hours yeah i was just saying that you know i think um a couple of big wembley shows had to get rescheduled with that strike dude it was it it was like pretty impossible like i i was like oh how bad can it be and i was like oh it's really fucking bad it's like really really annoying and even if you have a car traffic is obviously you know quadrupled at that point so it's like it's gonna take forever to get anywhere right it was it was it was brutal we were at we went to the wembley show one of one of yours yeah it was the sunday show i forgot what day but the last two were this weekend yeah that's right yeah how do you how do you feel no i'm um i'm excited it's um it's been a crazy summer really is you know the manchester shows um i think we did five nights there and the the way the place was set up it was like a park it was like when people got there early you know so you add up the amount of people you know it's over a million and a half people you know over the summer just just with those shows and um it's been unique it's in a sense of everything's so damn fractured now and it's one of those rare opportunities where i've said before like there's a sense of leaving whatever your difference is at the door and coming in for this like huge collective cathartic experience you know and you've got the older fans who've lost people along the way you've got their stories you've got the younger fans who never had the opportunity you've got this cross-generational thing that only say you really see with kind of like the stones and people like that and um the younger ones brought a new energy and the band themselves oasis almost surpassed expectations so the whole thing is um it's it's just faultless really and um it's exhilarating i think you know it's it's interesting to to think of i've said before where both bands were in kind of what we call transit vans for transit van in in the uk is like your classic i'm not sure what you call it a corner line or whatever it is yeah yeah yeah yeah your scooby-doo van you know and they supported us before their first album came out and their album took off in the uk and did well in the states and then obviously they released morning glory and we released urban hymns and and now all these years later you know that when the last note of bit symphony fades away it's half an hour before oasis and yet it's the same you know no wrote those songs i wrote my songs the odds of one of us having um any song that was kind of a worldwide hit or an album that sold millions was rare but to have two bands who um kind of mates in a way and it is extraordinary it's all it's almost like history repeating itself because when i first bumped into them we'd already done our first album and um i was trying to like navigate being in a band where we did a lot of jamming and i'd try and like arrange a bit which we try and arrange jams into songs and stuff and And when I first met Noel or I first heard Live Forever, I thought, you know, I'm really going to concentrate on trying to gain some kind of control over this whole writing of songs thing.

32:03I've got to like, I'm going to learn a few more chords myself. I'm going to get really into my acoustic. And that's when I wrote this song called History and a song called On Your Own for an album called A Northern Soul for the Verve. And that was my stepping stone. but it was really through the influence of live forever hearing that one song and meeting the guys playing with them touring with them and i thought yeah because it was such an inspiration and i think this summer's almost like going to be a catalyst for whatever goes on for me in the next few years where you know there's glass ceilings on everything and you you know when you start no one believes you're going to do it no one believes you're going to get a record deal no one believes in it only yourself and then you push through there and you push and you push and then when you reach say god knows how old i am now but i was born in 71 we did the maths september 71 um whatever around this period there is a sort of general consensus that your best days have gone you know as far as songwriting and i always look at people like um johnny cash at the end near the end of his career end of his life he was producing such amazingly like strong authentic material van Morrison continues to push um Neil Young and you know if a John Lennon would have lived you know and he was still around 80 whatever I'm sure the last 10 years we'd still be discussing what John was up to you know what because you want to you want to know what a mind that you admire is feeling and expressing as they go on this journey it's not about just of course with some people yeah that they they hit a wall and they never seem to manage to get past yeah yeah exactly i mean it isn't but it's not just a absolute fact and i think this is in this oasis tour for them and me and i'm sure is kind of like um smashed a few concepts that you get put on yourself about the possibilities you know oh oasis whatever you get america early all right then we'll do two stadiums in new jersey and chicago yeah we could have done a whole plot they could have sold out stadiums all around america for sure you know historically music or a lot of things or a lot of artistic pursuits are are considered sort of a young man's game in a sense that like if it doesn't happen for you in your early 20s it's not going to happen you know um and i think that that's maybe becoming less true or we're giving people more of a license to sort of keep going you know and like allowing allowing for more if it's good if it's good if it's good yeah if it's good we're

34:44Jason Stewart:willing to listen you know you can play the cruise ship if it's less good yeah there's always a way to make money you know i think nowadays there's just there's a we have a real shortage of like just real rock and roll and you were you were mentioning how these shows are cathartic for these people and you know at first glance you wouldn't think a lot of these songs have that cathartic feel it's you you typically you know the ballads and like the more emotional ones but just the catharsis the cathartesis of uh just good rock and roll being played loud yeah and also like it just doesn't doesn't happen that much anymore yeah you don't get to hear guitars i I remember seeing, I think it was the first time Wastes played in an arena and I went to see that.

35:30And they had an old sound guy who was absolutely unbelievable. And you kind of like, it's rare now to hear guitars in an arena or a stadium anyway, you know, with the volume up to a point where all that guitar starts mushing together. And it's almost like, what is this? The Velvet Underground? What are all these mad harmonics going on? What happens? Which happens with guitars? bouncing off of all the walls and back again yeah it takes on another dimension and a lot of the younger audience they they probably you know maybe they've been to see say the foo fighters or whatever but there ain't that many bands really that uh you get to witness hearing just a guitar amp through a pa loud you know it's it's so that's what was so i think that was what's so interesting about that show to us because i mean i i you know i try to go see a lot of things at the largest scale because i think that's when it's sometimes the most interesting and usually the bigger the scale the more shit there is besides the music you know what i mean and this oh i was stunned at the lack of extra shit on that stage like it is it's literally that could have been there there's no light there's no you know what i mean there's no like pomp and circumstance it's literally like

36:45Jason Stewart:these songs are good enough it's a little 12 inch amp with a mic set up going through the biggest sound system in the world that's the thing the crowd the audience the people decide what's an anthem as well so there's a big difference between bands that write for stadiums when they are you know almost like well this section they'll all sing this bit back or yeah you know i bet you were disappointed that you didn't couldn't jump on a peloton and charge the uh liam and noel's electricity to get them home or whatever you know i'm not poking fun at one particular band but it it gets this stuff gets ridiculous you know what i mean it kind of but but what was interesting is you kind of believe like you're led to believe that like shit if you ain't got all the bells and whistles and you haven't got this falling at this point and you know people with the bangles on and that's a great show don't get me wrong like i'm not saying the cold the cold play shows a phenomenal show you know and people are getting quote unquote their money's worth but you almost think that oh shit is everyone gonna have to like uh present their thing like with all this you know is and when you witness that like you guys said you know liam's got no catwalk liam stays in a very i love i love the idea of him having a catwalk though i do like just just the word no but you're right he's he stands in front of the mic and sings the song i know you mean he's not strutting out into the crowd you know and this is what i mean the majority of those songs uh not majority but half of them they were playing on the first tour when they supported the verb in back in the day and they were doing a similar thing and it's the strength of songs that have grown it to a stadium do you know what i mean it's not like yeah it's not like that no knew every single damn thing was gonna oh this is stadium rock this is you know this is gonna it was a song that the audience were saying to the heart and then they give back which then creates this anthemic feeling when i wrote like a song i didn't think when i finished the song the drugs don't work i never thought that i'd be in a stadium and people be singing a song like that along to me it's it's you know in many ways it's not an anthem in many ways it's not at all but the people have made it that you know what i'm saying so it is refreshing that you can just stand there present your tunes and i think like i say the audience gives so much that they are like it is a symbiotic thing that goes on there and without them you know because they give so much it's like you don't need a catwalk and fight like big explosions pyrotechnics because that's going off in the crowd you know what i mean i'm sure that's happening yeah yeah yeah that's that's jason getting hit hit with a cup of piss you know during the encore that's that's the the fireworks kind of crazy i'm on my hands and knees looking for the bag i i've got enough danger and excitement going on exactly but i i mean we we talked about this a lot on the show after after we we saw it but it was it's also i think that america just doesn't have anything that could bring people together in that in that way oh like a mass scale like at least as it sports like maybe the nfl is as close as we get and i don't care about football so i don't really consider that you know it's like a different but that's just america

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