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8:22Jordan Tannahill:yeah that's what i'm saying well you know when i went to see morrissey alone in las vegas it was preseason and i was i i did notice when i was at mr chow's solo there were several nba players and i i'm sure you know historic well historically nba players are looking for love whether they have found it or not already if you catch my drift so nba players famously looking for love So maybe it is a fertile ground for locking somebody in before the season kicks off, but once they've signed their contract. That beautiful purgatory.

8:58Jason Stewart:Meg deserves a big, tall, sexy piece of NBA baller man. That's true. She's very successful, very good looking, very talented, and she should not settle. And I want nothing but the best for her.

9:12Jordan Tannahill:Oh wait, she's dating Klay Thompson, who is unfortunately a pussy.

9:15Jason Stewart:but maybe she found okay that does make more sense that makes more sense clay thompson wider than me we're we're not uh we're not defeating the straggitt allegations talking about like our we know more about meg the stallion i want to say this than nba i want to say this i

9:32Jordan Tannahill:looked this up they just went public with their relationship in july 2025 so it could be it there's still time for him to fumble you know what i mean it's it's it's because i think i think megan might want someone a little more rough around the edges or maybe it's all an act who

9:46Jason Stewart:knows yeah clay not i wouldn't i wouldn't call him a screet baller by any means you know what's

9:53Jordan Tannahill:crazy about yeah clay would get clay would get his shit handed how many famous clays are there as him and aiken you know i hate to say it i'll take aiken in this because because clay aiken spells it with a c clay thompson spells it with a k yeah oh that's right yeah clay with a k Kardashian mode it's not it's not good but I'm seeing here just quickly yeah he's he's you're you're much taller than him he's only six five that's disgusting this is I don't want no short

10:20Jason Stewart:short um yeah this little dinky guy okay dinky mf and that's and that's his Hollywood height that means he doing what six three point seven five type he's he's six three point seven five for

10:32Jordan Tannahill:sure especially depending on what footwear you know if he's got the Under Armour contract you You know what I'm saying?

10:37Jason Stewart:Shout out to Clay. He's one of those. You always know the basketball player is going to be good if they don't know how to smile right in the photo. Like, I don't know what to do with my mouth. Like that kind of vibe.

10:46Jordan Tannahill:I can only do one thing, and that is.

10:48Jason Stewart:Yeah, he's draining. Pull up. Draining trees. Pull up from three. Yeah, let's. Oh, yeah. We were talking about the zines, ID Magazine, and not just ID, Friends of the Show, but, you know, many print publications partnering with. digital media the very thing that is ticking them down to then launch a limited edition print media it's i don't know i'm just trying to wrap my head around this life cycle and it's a

11:20Jordan Tannahill:little convoluted i can wrap my head around the fact that substack is cutting checks and id wants to be the recipient of one of those and can do something cool because they obviously have a rich history of print but I'm just this this goes back to me talking about the re-engineering of cable television and now we just pay double the money for the same thing and it's just harder to use this feels like oh okay so we're gonna we're gonna take a lot of writers that have newsletters and we're gonna take their stuff from the internet and then print it into a zine that looks cool it is confusing but i also think that it's a good sign that even if you could read an essay from someone's newsletter you might prefer to have it in print feels like a good thing overall but the question is anybody reading any of it is i guess the real question to me you want to do one

12:16Jason Stewart:thing i just want to make a magazine and they're like oh what about instead of just giving you money to keep your magazine open you make a little zine and it's printed out on a smaller thicker paper and then we'll give you 50 grand and then you'll be able to keep injecting that money into your troubled business for another you know keep the lights on for three more months well i well

12:39Jordan Tannahill:id is famously quite profitable off rip that was like the big news that they had they had booked like i can't remember the the amount dollar amount of of like advertising you know in the with the first issue but i think that i think it's more like sub stack is so desperate to be cool because it's not cool that they are willing to pay whatever and id is like well we do print and that's what you don't do right so how about you pay us to do that and then we have a dinner to celebrate that that's what it that's like what it feels that's what it feels like and it's it's no different than sort of how every magazine like especially like a dazed is like an agency you know it's like you come to us and i i imagine this is no different really you know what i mean what up give us one second give us one second we're just we're gonna intro you really quick and then we'll bop in uh all right today we do have a guest on how long gone jordan tannahill as an author and a playwright uh who is uh thank god from canada uh ottawa even which is a city i have yet to discover i can't wait to get into that with him um but let's uh let's give him a buzz he's ready to rock this episode of how long gone is brought to you by our old dogs over at squarespace uh jason i spend every waking minute of my day surfing the world wide web i'm looking at social media.

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17:05Jason Stewart:and immunity support. Storm, energy for life. Jordan we have our water we have our wah-wah we do we do do you have a coffee as well are you are you hydrate maxing okay I am I'm double fencing you're double sure okay so we're actually speaking of that I was I was talking to our mutual friend Ludwig Hurtado yesterday oh yes and he he um was giving me some insider info and I was I was looking at the the them magazine quote and you i believe you began the interview with michael who's been on the show cubby cubby cubby michael cubby cubby and you said i had to cancel a fisting date to do this podcast so what did you did you have to cancel it i know it's early did you have to cancel anything for today's podcast i mean i'm always canceling sex dates for work you know this is this is that's super

18:02Jordan Tannahill:progressive of you actually to kind of to kind of put yourself first for once exactly okay so when

18:08Jason Stewart:you're doing the little the scales of justice you're weighing out the options of sex or work what is the what's the percentage of the way it swings are you a good boy keep it 50 50 i try to

18:20Jordan Tannahill:i try to keep it you know you need a good balance well the thing is i i could completely agree but i think the beauty of the gay community is that you guys are willing to kind of um let's say meet up any time of day so you can kind of squeeze this stuff in no pun intended anytime if you need if you know if you need an 11 a.m there's somebody that's gonna sign up for that appointment yeah i mean i'm i'm best during the day you know like after dinner i mean i'm ready for when you

18:47Jason Stewart:say i'm when you say i'm best could you uh expand on that please you know energy looking fresh Yeah, you've showered.

18:57Jordan Tannahill:You've had two Celsius's. You're ready to go. I completely understand. Big proponent of daytime sex. Very underrated. But I think it's cool that you guys allow sort of a 24-hour window versus two or three. We're always open for business. Exactly. Or I am. I can't speak for everyone.

19:13Jason Stewart:You're the waffle house. It's like a Tim Horton of the South. You're always open. Water's always warm. Always up for a double-double. I had a double-double at In-N-Out. last night for dinner. Isn't that something, you guys? Protein style, of course.

19:29Jordan Tannahill:What is the double-double at Tim Hortons? Two creams, two sugars. Okay, it's just the coffee. I didn't know if it was like also you get two donuts, you know, and it was a real... Do you do two creams and two sugars? Me? No. I drink it black.

19:45Jason Stewart:Thank God. Well, I don't drink Tim Hortons coffee black. I drink coffee

19:49Jordan Tannahill:black. I wouldn't touch that stuff. You need two creams and two sugars.

19:54Jason Stewart:so yeah i was talking to to ludwig he was talking about how you know you you are an immigrant from canada and you are creating art here in new york right now there's tariffs there's trump there's you know every time i go to canada over the last year there's very like national pride anti-america stuff going on yeah has has doing a production in america has has trump caused you any troubles No, thankfully not. But I definitely was curious about how this production would be received at this particular inflection point in American politics. You know, I think this show has been in development for five years.

20:34And frankly, when Trump was elected, and I knew this production was happening, I thought, hmm, I wonder if he's going to just like so radically change the conversation that it'll feel mistimed, or it'll just feel off. And in fact, I think the timing has been such that the show has really resonated with audiences, particularly queer and trans audiences at this particular moment.

20:53Jason Stewart:Yeah, I was going to say it feels better. OK, so you're saying a play called Prince Faggot is resonating with queer audiences more. That's actually pretty crazy.

21:01Jordan Tannahill:Yeah, that's pretty crazy stuff.

21:02Jason Stewart:Well, I mean, I don't I haven't seen the production, but everyone says it's fantastic that we've spoken to. I only really know the title of it. So what are the political, you know, without giving away too much of the plot, what are some of the political implications at play in PF? Yeah. So the show follows a group of queer and trans performers who are reckoning with their relationship, initially with a specific photograph of a young Prince George. This photograph was circulating sort of the online space back in, I think, 2018 it was, 2017 perhaps.

21:42Jordan Tannahill:This is based on an experience you had, or this is the inspiration was the photo? Yeah, so I had a specific experience of seeing this photograph and having this strong instance of personal identification with this photo of this young boy being like, wow, he looks like a young gay kid in this photo. And he had this very kind of unguarded sort of fae pose, which was very... Is this where he's wearing like a sweater vest, like a zip vest? He's wearing like a purple checked shirt, Navy shorts, looking at an ascending helicopter with this kind of look of delight, unguarded delight on his face. You know, obviously totally pre-conscious.

22:26Jason Stewart:The way a gay guy looks at a helicopter. Oh, wow. I'm looking at it now. And have you seen the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where there's the gay kid and he wants the sewing machine? Right. Same. I just sent you the photo, Chris. Maybe never a gayer pose has been struck by a prince. Okay. Oh, wow.

22:46Jordan Tannahill:Wow.

22:47Jason Stewart:Color has been added, Jordan.

22:48Jordan Tannahill:Okay. Thank you. Thank you for sharing because this gives a lot of content. I mean, this is it. I think the show, I mean, for me experiencing my own reaction to that photograph, I was like, okay, how do we talk about queer childhood? I mean, I look at these photographs myself and I think, wow, I was a gay kid. You know, I wasn't a queer man waiting. I was this kind of unbroken continuum of being from the moment I was born until now. You wasn't fooling nobody, even at three. Right. I mean, it's obviously a pre-sexual kind of idea of queerness, but nevertheless, it kind of like spurred sort of this series of thoughts about, yes, like childhood sexuality.

23:25How do we talk about it, particularly this moment where that feels so supercharged in our politics, this idea of like queer and trans people as groomers and so forth.

23:35Jordan Tannahill:Hey, straight people can be groomers too. Okay, let's be clear now. Yeah, equal opportunity. Everybody can get it when it comes to grooming, but go ahead. But yeah, so the play kind of, you know, begins with this group of queer and trans performers kind of meditating on their own childhood photographs, talking about their own relationship with this particular photograph of this real boy. And then moving into a fictional space where we say, okay, like, as a thought experiment, what if the heir of the British throne grew up to be gay? This is obviously a fictional Prince George. You know, we can't predict the real life sexuality of this person.

24:12And so we're using this as a jumping off point really to kind of interrogate our own relationships with power, colonization, and queerness. And it's this kind of, there's a sort of play within the play where you're following, yes, this kind of 10 years of the queer coming of age of the heir of the British throne. But also there's these, you know, this kind of meta theatrical monologues of the actual performers stepping out of character and talking as themselves to the audience. Okay, that seems like it could be a little hard to follow.

24:40Jordan Tannahill:is that i mean i mean it's a lot of voices i guess is what i'm trying to say but like you know yeah there's a there's a there's a cast of six so it's not a huge you know it's not a super confusing story it's a pretty straightforward story but it's there's a kind of toggling back and forth between what's real and what's fictional or what's you know a personal experience versus what's a fictional experience it's pretty fascinating that like a single picture like basically a paparazzi photo i mean you know for for lack of a better had that big of an effect but i i get it it's it i think if you see something at the right time it can do that it's a powerful enough image have have

25:16Jason Stewart:you considered or or fantasized or daydreamed about you know in 10 years from now when when prince is is 22 and coming home from honcho weekend or whatever is he going you know do you think there's going to be a moment where he sees this play and and contacts you have you had a a premonition about this uh i don't know yeah i whether he grows up to be yeah straight or gay or whatnot i think uh of course yeah it's hard to say i whether the royal family is even aware

25:50Jordan Tannahill:of it happening uh here in new york perhaps i always wonder in general what the royal family is aware of i i feel like as as far as people go they might be the most sort of siloed that you can possibly be like i feel like yeah like how kim kardashian said like i would love to know how much a gallon of milk costs like i feel like the royal family doesn't even know like what day of the week it is i it's different for them i uh did have the chance to meet the current king and queen Charles and Camilla while I was a Canadian living in living in London. What is the production called, young man? Oh dear.

26:28Yeah, exactly. She was like, oh, you're a novelist. I love to read books. And that was the extent of the interaction.

26:34Jordan Tannahill:That's exactly what I mean. I too have books. Yeah, they're really pros at kind of the non-conversation, but the sort of very inoffensive, you know, small talk. Was it like an event where it was like a greeting line and you were getting an award? and you okay okay i wasn't being awarded but yeah it was a greeting line yeah just of various canadians in london pretty much it's a pretty impressive like i i have never obviously met the king and queen but those sort of receiving lines and the level of operation that it requires to make that sort of banal small talk with a hundred people is is impressive it's a skill in itself it's a skill it's a skill and i i don't know if i could do it yeah you could do that chris you you

27:15Jason Stewart:I think you'd be very good at doing that. As somebody who identifies as somebody who would be good at doing it as well. That's a highly ritualized life and a very performative life. And that's what we kind of explore a little bit in the play is, you know, how kind of theatrical a life it is and performative it is. And, you know, there's this idea in the play that if you're living in this life of kind of heightened ritual and stricture, that actually you're kind of, you desire a sort of inverse liberation in your private life. like and the idea that like perhaps we know we sort of imagine that like what if the you know like what if they have a really kinky private life as a way of kind of counteracting we know we know we know about we know about prince andrew oh my god yeah how could they not have a little bit of a kink in the private life right they seem to be patient zero for that kind of stuff i mean we've your your royal family uh justin trudeau as well as princess katie parry i'm sure they're getting up to some stuff right they're doing some certain some some yacht play yeah our our former royal family although i suppose the canada i suppose the trudeaus are kind of always perpetually our royal family even if closest thing to whether they're in office or not they're still the royal

28:25Jordan Tannahill:family yeah but i i do think that the whole kennedy's the royal the royal thing is just fascinating to me as an anglophile because it's the one british thing that i just can't care about yeah like i find them so uninteresting and i know that's like how they have to exist like that's their whole job is to be like smiling and sort of uninteresting and reading you know things that are written for them that's the whole job yeah yeah i can say that i'm like a royalist i guess growing up in canada a little more i had sort of a lot of antipathy towards the royal family i felt like uh you know in canada the the wounds of colonization are not like a historic idea they're like open and separating very present tense and so i feel like there's yeah there's uh i mean they're also our head of state i mean at the head of the state of canada i mean they're on our currency it's it's a very uh you know you have a daily reminder of their

29:19Jason Stewart:role within the canadian politic political world in the commonwealth yeah the claw holding you

29:25Jordan Tannahill:down yeah i just i think that there was a time especially when you know anyone gets married or of course, like Princess Diana was definitely the biggest one where it was like, that was like what Good Morning America was talking about. You know, it was like, they were really trying. And I think it really like, like around the clock coverage of the Royal wedding in America is, is for a very certain kind of person. And I think that they, they try not try, but I think that I just wonder how many people here are that interested. Cause it does feel kind of far away, but maybe if you look at them like celebrities, it's different.

29:56Yeah, absolutely. I think they're kind of in a way, like the Kardashians or something. They're as much a kind of just a famous family. But there is, yeah, there is this great sort of national pride in, you know, it fell toward them in Britain. And I understand like the role they play politically and socially and kind of like the soft power that they hold for Britain. I do understand that. But yeah, I cannot say that I'm like i never watched the crown or any of these kind of like fanfic pieces about the royals i'm

30:29Jordan Tannahill:just sort of not so i feel like you got to stay away from that in the business that you're in i you know i feel like that's too close to it so you but you live there and you lived in london i lived in london for almost seven years yeah was there what did you just like did you go because

30:43Jason Stewart:you liked it or was there like a reason to be there what was his name jordan yeah yeah well his name was James. I was with a fellow there for five years and then actually afterwards a guy named Alistair. So I had a couple very... Actually, there were two. There were two over seven years. But yeah, so I did move for love and then I moved for work. I mean, the British theater scene is great and certainly a lot more expansive, I guess, than the one that I was moving from. As great as the Canadian theater scene is, it was definitely I was like eager to, yeah, just see work elsewhere, make work elsewhere.

31:21So I was doing some stuff with the National there and, you know, collaborating with the British artists. And it was great. It was a really fun experience. I had, you know, a chance to see a lot of work in Europe, which really inspired me. But ultimately, coming back to North America, I do feel like my context is here and being in New York. This is my first play in New York, Prince Faggot. So it feels like a kind of an exciting, it's not exactly a homecoming, but it feels like a kind of arrival I guess, and sort of setting up my style here.

31:48Jason Stewart:This is your debut.

31:49Jordan Tannahill:Yeah. We're still the center of the world in New York. I don't care what the haters say.

31:54Jason Stewart:Well, speaking of New York, as well as our royal family, I saw a photo with you and Anna Wintour and Ludwig wanted me to ask you, did you hear her say the word faggot out loud? Yeah, I know. She called me one to my face. She said out of the way. Yeah, she came. She came to the show. It was crazy. It was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. We've been really lucky to, you know, I mean, perhaps thanks to Jeremy, you know, it's definitely he knows how to position something and it's like Geist very well. Yeah. A master of positions. Yeah. So, yeah. And Anna came. Madge came, which was awesome. Madonna. Wow. It was, yeah, definitely.

32:36Anna and Madge, move over, Cola Scola.

32:39Jordan Tannahill:With people like that, do you get a heads up or would you rather not know? I get about like a six hour heads up. I imagine people's plans change when they're that, like at the last minute. In demand. When they're not in demand, exactly.

32:57Jason Stewart:But you would prefer to know that a Madonna or an Anna Wintour are in the crowd or would you prefer to not know that? yeah yeah i mean it's also not so big of a theater so i feel like if i'm there i would see them but right right right right you know i like to know in advance uh i don't go to every show so it's nice to go to the shows where you can you know sort of welcome people and you know meet them the cat it's always fun for the cast as well to meet various people that sure you know are in their industry or in other industries they really you know admire i guess when we've had people in

33:27Jordan Tannahill:your business on the show before i'm most interested in sort of the not financial but like how it all works because i think that like right like hollywood and how that works is like dissected constantly in major publications and industry publications on podcasts like the music business has talked about constantly you know and i think theater is obviously a little more niche in many ways but i also think the economics of it confused me a little bit and it's like i i don't i don't understand like what the tipping point is i guess for something being truly successful not just um critically acclaimed yeah i'm learning that too to be honest it's i mean you're like i don't know i will say that i feel like there was some article that came out recently that i was reading that i think since the pandemic so since 2020 there's been like i don't know 43 or 45 new musicals on broadway and three have recouped and every you know all the others are still at it you know running at a loss or have closed or you know maybe will recoup in x number of years not not

34:30Jason Stewart:not dissimilar from the current film industry as well you know yeah i mean like some plays fare better but i honestly think that you know if you're kind of bringing like an edgy weird play to broadway you're kind of doing it not necessarily to make a windfall account it's

34:44Jordan Tannahill:kind of like no i don't think i don't think it's yeah yeah well that's i didn't mean i didn't mean that that was anyone's goal i guess i meant to be like like that figure you just shared is pretty mind-boggling yeah like but it also does feel like something that is a producer of a of a production like yours is sort of a patron of the arts that's how they're looking at it i i think so i mean there is money to be made on broadway but i think there is a lot less since the pandemic or it's or the way you make it is different i think i think it's got a lot harder i think inflation has made it a lot harder like theater costs wages materials everything has just made it you know the the sort of balance has been kind of thrown out of whack so um i think people are kind of trying to figure out what the economics of commercial theater in the city are and to be honest i've never really dealt with commercial theater before i mean i i'm like i've like died the wool when you say when you say commercial does that mean money exchanges because yeah exactly

35:37Jason Stewart:so i'm like being paid for this the auto theater scene isn't isn't rooted in commerce as as yeah as broadway i'm in toronto i mean i think when you have a hit play you know it's like you know your 50 friends see it and that's about it. You go for drinks with them. Sure. You know, it's like, it's, it's, it's a deeply unglamorous job to be a playwright in, in Toronto as much as I, you know, unless you can get a Tory Burch deal, but otherwise it's, it's tough. It's tough. Whereas here is a lot more fun for sure.

36:06Jordan Tannahill:Yeah. I just, I just feel like it's a, yeah, it's an interesting, I mean, I feel like it's also one of those things where you do something that you really believe in and you love it and the right person sees it and the monetary opportunity comes later. That's not what everything has to be about if it's just good. Yeah. And I think what's fun about doing theater in New York is that people care about it. I mean, it's a city that loves theater. You go to parties or functions and there's some bankers that go, yeah, you wrote that. People who are not in the theater see theater and know about it here.

36:36It's part of the culture, the cultural conversation. It's part of being a citizen in a way that I feel like it's not thought of elsewhere. So that's been kind of fun to experience that here.

36:46Jordan Tannahill:Yeah, I think that that is why a certain kind of person still lives in New York and deals with the nightmare of it all, is the access to things. You know what I mean? It is. It's like if you care about the arts in any way, there's no other place to live. If you really want access to it year-round.

37:02Jason Stewart:you know exactly well do you i guess speaking of a year-round access are is anybody doing like live streaming or any other ways to try and create revenue around you know like if oh mary for example cole was on like a year ago on our podcast huge hit show you know doing well probably one of the only few that are actually making a profit and not losing money true true there's a lot of people in the world i i've tried to see the show and i couldn't get a ticket and there's people all over the world that want to see it, people who watch 30 Rock and want to see Jane do Mary. If it was on a website and you could pay 20 bucks to live stream it, I feel like a lot of people would do that, right?

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38:43Yeah, although that kind of defeats live theater, I suppose. I mean, I think that's part of, I mean, like I...

38:47Jason Stewart:Of course it's not as good as being in the room, but if that's the way it's going with movie theaters, you know, if it's either that or nothing. Right. Well, I think there are, I mean, there are some initiatives around access and like, yeah, like live streaming, especially, you know, I think that really came about around the pandemic. But I know that there are like, like the National in the UK and a few other theaters will do like extraordinary archival recordings basically of their shows, and then they'll screen them in movie theaters. And so you can it's like NT Live, for instance. So you can see a show that was in London, even if you live over here, and you can go to the Cineplex and watch it.

39:25So there are a few kind of the larger shows that do that yeah but i see what you're saying you're saying like yeah

39:31Jordan Tannahill:that's cool but the whole fucking point is that it's not that yeah that you know on some level that you're like you know you're you're gathering in a space with other people and you're watching it live i mean i i hear what you're saying though obviously you know there's there's there are barriers of cost and of access you know like people don't live always in new york or visit

39:46Jason Stewart:in the intro it goes back to the irony of what we were discussing in the intro of sub stack funding print magazine companies to make a zine it's a you know it's like yeah you know hey live theater it's a magical special thing you have to be in the room to experience it yeah feel it you know hear somebody cough in the room and the tension and all this stuff what if we just like filmed it and you could watch it on your phone and said like you're being killed by the very thing that you're trying to kill you know yeah that's it i mean it's it's uh it's a real balance between yeah exactly like access and then kind of like diluting what is so sacred about the art

40:26Jordan Tannahill:form yeah but i think i think it's also that people don't i think there's more people than ever that don't want to be in the room sadly yeah like i think there are people you know what i mean i think there are people that are interested in all this stuff but they've because of covid and our phones they've turned into freaks who don't want to do it yeah or can't you know they can't afford it like it's like like things are so fucking expensive nowadays like like who can afford a 300 ticket like to go to Broadway let alone who can afford a hundred dollar ticket yeah I mean okay

40:54Jason Stewart:for your play how much does a ticket cost on average the lowest I think it starts around like 70 like 69 dollars and it goes up to like 200 something you know it's a lot it's yeah especially if you're going with someone you know like I can oh you think I'm paying hell no we're going oh no no no so is this like a plus one situation or I mean but like 250 bucks like that's a that's like a lollapalooza ticket or something like that right i know so it is it is tough but i hope to one day be more of a patron of the theatrical arts i live in a suburb in los angeles so there's not a ton of that going on right unless you're into the armenian place oh man yeah i gotta get

41:33Jordan Tannahill:more into that the armenian theater there's something to explore there no but i think that there is i mean the monetary thing is is i mean that's like what the big argument like rolling stones doing this musicians on musicians like their version of actors on that like the hollywood reporter thing yeah and you know today it's jack antonoff and and hayley from paramore and they're he's complaining about ticket prices for shows right it's like bro bro but you benefit from that like i don't know yeah how much can you complain when you're the one making the money you know but i i think it's also like there's just a margin of cost that these things cost and that's what it requires for a ticket like i don't know what else yeah i don't know how else you you do it like you said yeah i mean that's the thing i guess elsewhere there's like government subsidy i mean what's interesting to note is that the three shows that recouped the three musicals that i mentioned earlier that recouped which were like mj and juliet you know they all benefited from government subsidies around covet so they were all given like these big sort of ppp loan bullshit they're on their ppp they kept the money they didn't even go to the mall that is but you know it's like in In Europe, it's like, you know, yeah, like people are not expected to pay like hundreds of dollars to go see a play because like the government helps support it.

42:45They help support the development of it. So it's not all in the consumer. We don't care about that. We don't care about the arts here, bro.

42:49Jordan Tannahill:You take that shit somewhere else. We get it. Unless they're on Bravo. We don't really care about the arts. Yeah, that's my art. When I learned about I mean, when I first when I was younger and I was in the music business and I learned about that, like all of my favorite Canadian bands albums were basically paid for by grants and that the labels had grant. writers on staff to like make sure i get my feist and broken social scene on time i was like damn that is sick like i didn't know that was yeah i'd never heard of that because it's so and the

43:18Jason Stewart:country makes their radio stations play a certain percentage of canadian artists that's right fife

43:23Jordan Tannahill:dobson fife dobson lives because of the laws yeah they call america nationalists yeah but i didn't crazy i guess i just didn't realize that that was like how much that benefits a play i i just it's so un-american in so many ways yeah and there's like you know yes there's like can con and there's also like quebec you know also has safeguards around i mean and huge support for its own kind of national well they got oh yeah with a fake when you're fake france you got to protect

43:50Jason Stewart:that shit you got nothing worse than the quebecois i mean honestly it's like thank god we'd be we'd be all like you know we'd be so conservative in canada and we'd have we'd have just nothing but conservative governments if it wasn't for quebec like they're like such an engine

44:04Jordan Tannahill:culture in our country too it is it is pretty especially so good it's still cheap to live it's still cheap to live there but i want i mean i want to you you grew up in ottawa i did yeah suburbs of ottawa yeah all right so what was your awake what was your awakening in ottawa like what did you see where you're like you know what this maybe ain't for me what was the what was the name

44:24Jason Stewart:of the suburban town that you grew up in it better be funny oh i was in uh i grew up in beacon hill north in ottawa it's not that oh that just sounds nice that just sounds like boston that was lovely i mean we went to like a lovely like arts high school there too and i was like it was a nice it was a nice like adolescence you know like just but i feel like uh there is something yeah you're like when you're a teenager your experience so much of your experience of like culture is just online you know and like what well how how old are you are i mean you're younger

44:55Jordan Tannahill:than us you are you in your 30s uh yeah i am i'm probably not younger i'm i'm 37 okay we're i'm 42 yeah i mean okay generally the same age but you're you you grew up that age difference is enough where you like had the internet since you could remember basically yeah yeah yeah exactly and you're kind of imagining a space for yourself that is sort of not where you are you know you're like seeing yourself in a larger city or you're kind of watching a lot of my the early theater i watched was just online just like seeing people do crazy shit like oh man i wish i could do that but like there was no context for it where i came from who put you on in general though were you discovered this yourself or was it like a teacher or your parents or like who groomed you into the theater honestly just public school really yeah just like just doing a play on my first my first role that i played uh golem in the hobbit in grade six i was and actually this was kind of the birth probably of a few different uh you know inclinations in my life i was like in like a wet suit yeah i

45:47Jason Stewart:was gonna say the golem to leather pup play pipeline is very real do you can you still do a little golem oh yeah yeah i'm just living i'm just living it every day i mean it's like you know it's like yeah it's like a skin tight wet suit slathered in petroleum jelly i mean it was a great role it really was a good role for me okay have you ever been in the basement at basement wearing your little pup costume and you just break into a little golem like trying to lure someone into a corner yeah maybe exactly into my into the catacombs into the cave um yeah my precious

46:19Jordan Tannahill:That's a very, it's very cool though that you just sort of came on to, I found it yourself. One cock ring. To rule them all. I thought Gollum was ugly. Is that part of it or no? Yeah, I mean, maybe I was cast for that. I don't know. No, no, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying you were miscast. Oh, that's what I'm saying.

46:38Jason Stewart:Chris is, it's a roundabout way of saying you're way too hot to play a gremlin troll. I don't know. I had a lot of acne back then. I don't know what you look like in sixth grade.

46:46Jordan Tannahill:I was fat. So I don't know. I can't talk about anybody else.

46:48Jason Stewart:Gollum was snatched, to be clear and to be fair. Gollum's BMI was treacherous.

46:58Jordan Tannahill:Oh, that's good.

46:59Jason Stewart:Okay, so you, well, I guess speaking of basement, you are a member of the New York City rave scene? I am. I am. Okay. Yes, basement is my spot. Actually, yeah, I feel like that's kind of where I'll probably be tonight or tomorrow. okay is basement is basement quarterly or is it weekly uh it's yeah it's weekly they have weekly like every sort of i think friday saturday there's something going on yeah it's a great space and it

47:29Jordan Tannahill:this is the one this is the one that moves correct or it's it's in a it's in the same space every time no yeah so it's it's this like kind of warehouse space in uh east williamsburg um yeah it's great it's like great spot for tech like techno and you know it's sexy like i love the kind of cruisy spaces they have there. It's got great programming. When you say cruisy spaces, these aren't identified as such, but there's corners, let's say. There's shadows that sort of allow. Okay, got it. Yeah, there's like an area called the catacombs, which are... Oh, so we've recreated the catacombs in Bushwick.

48:06Okay, got it.

48:07Jason Stewart:Could you throw on your theatrical cap for a second? Describe the smell of the catacombs if you could. Depends on how late in the night it is. I see. The sun is not up yet. Let's call it 315. Definitely musky. A little bit feral. Definitely a lot of bodily fluid smells for sure. Some more pleasant than others. I would say sweaty.

48:39Jordan Tannahill:That's the problem with fluids. Some are better than others. That's the problem.

48:43Jason Stewart:Okay, how welcoming is this space to straight people? Very, very, yeah. That's bullshit. He's like, very, if you're willing to go into the catacombs, it's super open. It's very. What about straight women? What about straight women? Hell no, get out. I mean, you know. It's a waste of dick right there. I really can't speak. The capacity is 500. That's funny. Get out. You know, yeah, it's interesting. I mean, look, you can ask Nicole Kidman. That's where they shot the baby girl party sequences. Oh, yes, yes. Where in, you know, she loved it. She had a great time raving there. I bet you that was the scene of the film for me.

49:23Jason Stewart:That was good.

49:24Jordan Tannahill:Yeah. That was good.

49:25Jason Stewart:Not for my wife. She likes some other different scenes involving walking on the floor like a dog. Do you think... Woof-woof. Yeah, he's... Don't woof-woof.

49:35Jordan Tannahill:Is he one of the greatest gay baiters of all time? because I remember I saw his first movie, the one where he played like Beach Rats. Beach Rats, yeah. And I was like, oh, this is something. And then I feel like he really knows what he's doing to keep both sides satiated, let's say. Yeah, he's beautiful. I mean, you know, when you meet various actors in person, you're kind of like, okay, there's like an on-screen glow up that happens. But when I met Harris in person, I was like, oh, you are stunning. Yeah, yeah, some of them. I agree. I mean, I've been disappointed many times. and then when you're surprised you're like oh hell this delivers on the promise this is great

50:12Jason Stewart:yeah yeah we were supposed to have him on the pod but i think the timing didn't work out so well with his press and everything but hopefully he'll come back on hopefully he's listening to this and he's getting our bat signal you know speaking of like gorgeous sexy man you guys should you guys should uh see the movie pillion and uh you know that's a great that's a great movie with uh alexander skarsgård and uh harry million and it just came out it was a can earlier it was directed by this guy, Harry Leighton. It's great. You'll be hearing about it more if you haven't. It's about this kind of sub-dom relationship.

50:44And I'm hard. Alexander Skarsgård plays head of a biker gang. The film was just at the festival here, the New York Film Festival. Anyway, hilarious and hot.

50:55Jordan Tannahill:Skarsgård, ever since he wore those boots, I feel like I've seen a new side of it. That's why he was wearing those boots. He was wearing those cans for this movie. Yeah, he knows what he's doing. Yeah, he knows what he's doing. Oh, okay. I see. I'm sorry. I remember him wearing Tom of Finland t-shirts and shit on the press tour. So that makes a little... Okay, I didn't realize what the movie was about. Now I remember all of the looks. That's his movie.

51:15Jason Stewart:A directionless man is swept off his feet when an enigmatic, impossibly handsome biker takes him on as his submissive. Okay, so Alexander is the dom. Yes. Thank God. You scared me for a minute there, Jordan. Scandi daddy. Scandi daddy.

51:32Jordan Tannahill:Okay. Oh, God.

51:33Jason Stewart:And do you like the guy that he's doming? or is it more just the Skarsgård show? A great actor, yeah. Not talking about the acting abilities, my friend. I'm looking at Harry Melling. I mean, he sells it. He's Dudley Dursley from Harry Potter. What a funny... Oh, you're my new Dottie.

51:54Jordan Tannahill:Yeah, exactly. Wow, that's actually... I feel like... All right, so you... Where do you stand?

52:00Jason Stewart:In the role of a lifetime. Alexander's going to fuck him until his eyes go back to normal.

52:05Jordan Tannahill:what is your stance on straights playing gay i i think best i think best man for the job we got to give it to them if they're willing to do it you know yeah i think i think to an extent i think to an extent i think uh the fact that we see like so few gay men being cast in in gay roles like in really kind of great media leading roles i think is sort of uh frustrating yeah like i do i want do i want to kind of like you know police casting based on like people's personal identity no i I think that's like a kind of shitty world to live in and makes for shitty art. But I do think that there is like a balance that's not quite been struck or found.

52:42I don't know. And it feels, it does kind of leave a bad taste in my mouth a lot of the time. They're like, oh, cool. Like Josh is playing a gay character again. Or like, you know, Paul's playing a gay character again, you know, or like, oh, Oliver Humanis has cast only straight people again, like for his gay movie or his gay TV show.

53:02Jason Stewart:Well, what about when a straight person is playing a gay character, but we all know that this person is actually gay, like a Pedro Pascal, for example? Right, exactly. Yeah, I mean... Is that better or does that make it worse? Ugh, yeah. I mean, I guess... I get why Pedro has to stay in the closet, but it is frustrating. It is frustrating. And I mean, it's like, and it's so funny to see like middle America be like, oh God, look at him touching these women inappropriately. I'm like, well, I guess you got to deal with that discourse if you're going to stay in the closet. That's my favorite. That's my favorite.

53:37You know. That's my favorite.

53:38Jordan Tannahill:Like, oh, these women, these people magazine readers, I guess, aren't really clued in to what's going on if that's going to offend them.

53:45Jason Stewart:But I think that's the whole beauty of it. It helps us insiders feel superior over the regular person. That was a joke. But when I was younger, I would always wish that somebody who so clearly seemed to be in the closet and gay, I just wish they would just come out so they could be free and everything. And now that I'm older and I have a little more, you know, wisdom about the nuances of everything, you know, it's also so hard for some people. You know, it's truly impossible. And millions of people have gone to their grave never openly coming out. Totally. Like, would he be cast in Marvel movies, which have to be sold, first of all, to, yeah, middle America, but also to China, to, you know, the Gulf, et cetera, et cetera.

54:34yeah i mean i don't know are yeah like do we see gay men as leading men very there are very few like openly gay leading men i mean you have people like coleman you have andrew scott you have people you know uh obviously um we got lee pace i'm a big coleman head i love cole i think he's so good yeah i mean i i mean coleman's awesome yeah i mean it's just it is sad though that there isn't i mean ben wishaw has been holding down that fort for a while too i mean he's but like like in terms like big like anchors of like huge franchises you know like there are very few examples of like oakley gay men who are being afforded those opportunities yeah neil

55:09Jason Stewart:patrick harris isn't gonna he's not taking roles away from the wrong i'll take i'll take a third

55:14Jordan Tannahill:i'll take a third tier gay actor over fucking ryan reynolds like let's get we can switch this shit up real quick real quick but i think do you think that's obviously that's years of you know issues that we're not going to unpack here in many ways. But do you think there's still sort of like an agent manager, like, let's not do this because it will affect your career conversation that feels sort of antiquated? Absolutely. Those conversations are happening for sure. Absolutely. I think it's better. I think things are, you know, there is some progress, although it's not linear. I think we're going to probably go into a period of backtracking.

55:53Jordan Tannahill:like when when homer goes back into the bushes it's gay guys going back into the closet so they

55:58Jason Stewart:can keep working so is it so like for example like someone's agent would be like do we have to go to dinner with mel ottenberg again like you're you know like i don't know it's affecting our callbacks a dinner with mel i would i would i would do dinner with mel than the star in a marvel movie but that's you know of course of course but no i yeah for sure there's definitely there's definitely those calculations for sure happening you know or like well you know as as tricky and as treacherous and tricky as it all seems i guess on the other side of the coin in our the three of our short lives the amount of progress that has been made in this specific category over the court you know compared to the course of the entire human existence i think it's a lot of great growth just from me being a kid to where everything is now i think is something that should be celebrated and i think we're only years away from having openly gay superhero movies yeah i'm saying two three years yeah well ellen ellen set us back a little bit

56:56Jordan Tannahill:but i think we still i think we i think we're still making steps in the right direction i do yeah i do too i think it's important to acknowledge that while also you know i think i'll always remain a bit of a cynic by nature but i but i i hear you i hear you and i think

57:11Jason Stewart:i'm not trying to score one for the straights i'm just saying you know obviously we're not uh we're not so out of the woods that we should start popping the champagne but to pull back you're in

57:22Jordan Tannahill:the position though to actually do something you know what i mean like like everyone in your in your play is gay or trans yeah like you're able to actually do something where we just sit here

57:34Jason Stewart:and talk you know what i'm saying no we platform we do platform we we platformed andy cohen a couple years ago he needed us you know i think i think the space that i'm occupying though is like i i'm kind of like making work first and foremost for queer people and if like straight people and other people are into it then that's awesome but like i see a lot of i mean i don't i don't blame queer artists who are trying to make work for the mainstream and who are kind of trying to like you know sell it down the middle that's cool you know i don't know how much i'm going to personally be like changing the the culture of hollywood no i just no i just but no i just mean

58:08Jordan Tannahill:you have you are doing it like whether you're walking the walk i guess is what right whether that changes the culture of hollywood you're walking the walk we're baiting the queer it's

58:16Jason Stewart:not a competition of who is doing what or who's doing more but but i see what you mean i see what you mean yeah and that's like you know i think that i think the actors who stay in the closet also deny themselves the the great gift of just being part of this extraordinary multi-generational conversation and community and like and having fun and just being yourself you know like these things like you know not always having to like call your you know publicist after you're spotted out at dinner with your boyfriend you know that you're like you know slash your roommate you know like i think that that's just kind of a shitty way to live that's my sober coach what do you mean that's just my sober coach i've never fucked that guy what do you mean it is it makes you want to open that bird cage and let that boy fly yeah you know yeah some people like the cage more yeah it's true the gilded the gilded cage your gilded cage mama you were you had a recent downtown wedding?

59:09Jason Stewart:Is that true? How long ago did you get married? Speaking of wonderful openly gay actors, I married Brandon Flynn. I bet you're open about it. I bet you're real open about it.

59:21Jordan Tannahill:Oh yeah, we're open. You opened me up.

59:24Jason Stewart:Okay, you and Brandy got married last year. Yeah, we got married actually almost exactly this time last year. This week was our anniversary. It was great. Yeah, we were you know, we did it at St. Mark's, which is this you know church right beside our house which was this you know it's like this awesome space that has hosted you know so many different cultural kind of events over the years i mean it's like where like patty smith did her very first like uh punk poems and like where like the black panthers operated out of the 70s and it's it's just cool it's like a cool kind of cultural space and poetry projects there anyway so we we got married there and and you know just with all of our friends and family very very kind of like as much a celebration of our circle of friends and

1:00:07Jordan Tannahill:community now let me let me in this situation what are the what's the discussion behind the

1:00:12Jason Stewart:scenes about who's wearing yeah we don't want to talk about community for your wedding bitch yeah we wore leather our our friend uh our friend ludovic uh not hurtado but uh St. Sernan Ludwig as opposed to Ludwig. Yeah, Ludwig, he designed us these leather pieces, which were very cool. Brandon was wearing this leather kiln. It was fun. It was just like, kept it fun, kept it kinky.

1:00:39Jordan Tannahill:Okay, so I see it was complimentary, but the same designer. So there was a through line. Exactly.

1:00:44Jason Stewart:When you say pieces, are we talking like a tuxedo, a vest, or does it have ears on the hood like an animal would? is there a tail involved it felt it was kinky yeah i mean it was yeah i was like i was yeah like i mean actually i had boots that were kind of giving uh scars guards boots a little bit to be honest uh we were touching we were touching knee we were touching knee we were we were you know doing our stuff i have yeah i have like i had real ambivalence about getting like the idea of marriage you know and i'm like this is for me do i like that do i even agree with the idea of marriage i mean i have found my own way into it and there's a lot of things i really love about it i also think that like living in america you really are kind of like forced into certain kind of legal protections around like health and like state me able to stay in this country with the person you love and like all these kinds of things so there's you know we are fundamentally still like a society oriented towards the couple yeah especially if especially

1:01:43Jordan Tannahill:if one member of the couple has like a real job with insurance looking you know what i mean it's It's helpful for everybody.

1:01:49Jason Stewart:At a certain age in certain societies, a single person is looked down upon more so than a coupled person. What is wrong with this person that they haven't found a couple? Yeah, which is crazy, right? But I mean, yeah, I guess that is true. I'm talking about for straight people. I know this is not in your world. I mean, I guess that's, yeah. But I think, yeah, the marriage has been wonderful. I mean, like, you know, it's hard. It's like work. But also, it's like so extraordinarily rewarding. And yeah, I mean, I'm deeply in love with Brandon. So it's been great. It's so great. And we, we know we have, we live in the East village.

1:02:20Jason Stewart:He's a real cutie. You, you bagged yourself a good one, my friend. He's, he's definitely a good one.

1:02:24Jordan Tannahill:What,

1:02:24Jason Stewart:what is the,

1:02:25Jordan Tannahill:what is the, I mean, I feel like you do sort of a lot, but now that this thing is kind of running, what do we got on? What do we got on the slate? Like, what are we working on now? Yeah. Well, um, I have a novel coming out, being published by FSG next year, which I'm excited about just like deep in the copy edit for that right now. And, uh, I am it's been also already announced by a filmmaker I'm making a film that we're shooting soon called Rapture it's a like a medieval body horror film starring Kit Conner Manu Rios and Will Poulter and a few others which we can't announce yet but some some great really great ensemble and yes some gay actors playing gay characters which I imagine you walk the wall Yeah, hard to believe, I know.

1:03:15Jordan Tannahill:Well, what is the... So how long did that take? Like the movie? Like how long? When did we write it? It feels like half of my life. Are you just directing or did you write it too? I wrote it. Okay. I'll be directing it. I wrote it pre-pandemic, so starting in like probably 2018. So that's how long this has been sort of being pieced together. I know it's a long, long, long process. And you also,

1:03:35Jason Stewart:you wrote a book called The Listeners and then that was turned into a TV show directed by our friend Janixa, but it was only in the UK, not in the US. Too gay for America? What's the deal? I mean, yeah, definitely not. I mean, it's a weird show. Not particularly gay, but it stars Rebecca Hall, who's just, for me, such a kind of icon. And I think for many others, I mean, she's just one of the greatest actresses. Genexa, such an honored work with her. Beautiful. Genexa Bravo. Damn, she's married to Morgan Spector? yeah rebecca's more yeah married to morgan specter power couple speaking of guys i gotta come out jesus i think i think once again he knows what he's doing is what i would say oh yeah he has a captive audience he wears a lot of mesh tank tops for a straight guy you know what i mean they're yeah they're such a awesome couple but they yeah so it was rebecca and uh this this this kind of weird story about this woman who begins to hear this like low hum that nobody else can hear not her family or you know or any of her co-workers and begins to kind of unravel her life and we shot that it was a four-part series that uh we made for the bbc so it was aired and yeah in the uk but hopefully some friends states i will be able to see it one day

1:04:53Jordan Tannahill:who knows yeah i got my brit box subscription so i'll be able to i'll be able to queue it up

1:04:58Jason Stewart:that's i mean that's that's a lot we're in talks with movie that's a lot of plates to be spinning

1:05:02Jordan Tannahill:but how how many shoot days and where are we doing the movie we're shooting this movie in hungary um and oh they must they gave the tax break over there huh they do have a good you know it's like so many of these particularly period pieces are shooting over there like a lot of these dragon movies and you know just because it looks you can make it look like that pretty easily they've got yeah they've got some amazing locations and also some just incredible craft people there we're working with this uh real master like of prosthetics and makeup named Ivan Pahornak who did uh Ari asters midsommar and he did like the alien versus predator and he's just like a real gore master so i'm very excited to be working with him it's a real guy last night called the gore master yeah yeah do you meet him in the catacombs gore master set at basement that's literally what i was doing that's actually that's really interesting but okay so hungry and you're going to be there for what like 40 days or something yeah probably around that long I used to actually, strangely enough, I actually lived there for a couple of years.

1:06:05The guy I mentioned earlier, James, was doing a PhD in Budapest. So we lived in Budapest for a bit.

1:06:11Jordan Tannahill:Budapest, I've never been. But everybody, I've never heard a bad thing about it. Yeah. I mean, it's an extraordinary city. I mean, it's like too bad the country is ruled by Viktor Orban, who's this like, you know, proto-fascist nationalist. Can't win them all. You know, can't win them all. You can't win them all. He actually kicked out the university that James was studying. What do you mean kicked out? Like, you guys were good. You were done here? It's a long story, but the university was founded on an endowment by George Soros, who's like the bedroir of Hungary and Orban. So it was a little personal.

1:06:44Jordan Tannahill:It was a personal vendetta, yeah. It was a personal political vendetta, for sure.

1:06:48Jason Stewart:It feels very Trump-y on. For sure. Well, lastly, I wanted to talk, I've seen the phrase pup play pop up on my corners of Twitter lately. More so, I feel like it's trending up just a wee bit in the last maybe 30, 40 days. Okay. And I know, I can imagine, you know, the obtuse angles of what it contains and what it means, but it seems like you are a player in the space. So if you could explain it to a couple of straights, that'd be great. Yeah, yeah. Speak for yourself. I know all about it. Okay. No, I'm joking. Well, one straight on the pod. Sorry. Carry on. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, on its essence, it's, you know, about someone putting on a mask that resembles a dog.

1:07:39And I mean, mine is like a kind of latex pup hood, but there's like some made of neoprene

1:07:43Jason Stewart:and something of leather and just about kind of entering a different kind of headspace. We are not in your own head. You're not worried about your mortgage or your, you know, your rent or your grocery bill. You're just like in this like kind of playful animal headspace. Likewise, how straight people wakeboard or mountain climb. Exactly. Flow state. Yeah. And you can just, you know, be other than yourself, playful. And it's a bit silly. I think, you know, in some ways, like a lot of fetish is about kind of embracing the fact that you look ridiculous and kind of having the confidence to be like but you know what i feel awesome or i don't care or like that's kind of part of it is just like being in this yeah this kind of other headspace for a while i love to wear my putt mask like my latex hood when i'm raving i love it i love to sort of like how it kind of locks me in and you know if i'm like coming up on a pill i just love kind of like being in this i don't know this sort of other headspace that i I guess having the mask on, you're already in a bit of a K-hole, just like in terms of your clothing.

1:08:48Jason Stewart:And then you put drugs in the music. Yeah. So when you have the mask on, you are anonymous. People can't see your face and tell who you are. Right, yeah. People can't say that's known playwright Jordan Tannehill. They're just like, here's another guy in a mask. Yeah, it changes how people relate to you in interesting ways. I think it's a very ancient human instinct to want to do psychedelics, be in a dark space, listening to rhythmic music, donning a mask. These are the fundamentals of ritual that we've been engaged with for thousands and thousands of years. And I think there's a real draw to that for me, I think for a lot of people.

1:09:23That's the ray of space for me.

1:09:25Jason Stewart:Okay. How much of your time in the mask is on two feet versus all fours in the style of a dog? For me, most of the time is on two feet. But yeah, I love guys who are just getting right into the role play. There's some people who really commit to the doggy of it all. They have a great bark. They have a tail dildo. They have paws. Oh, wow. Can I just say you have a great bark? You do. I mean, there's some guys who have a great bark.

1:09:54Jordan Tannahill:Tail dildo is a nice touch. That's form and function right there. It really completes the look, I got to be honest. Can I ask, not to get in the weeds, but as far as the mask goes, is it a zipper closure over the mouth? Okay, and eyes as well? Or a zipper closure over the mouth, no. Over the mouth, there's a little cock-sized hole for convenience. It's a bit small, to be honest, for everyone. You could say a bit. Thank you for saying that. Thank you for saying that. Yeah, yeah. It would be small for you, Chris. It makes everyone feel so tight. Wow. But, yeah, it's a bag zipper. where a lot of the most frequently seen hoods, I feel like online and out in public are the neoprene ones, right?

1:10:37We've all seen those almost like kawaii style, kind of cute sort of neoprene hoods or whatever. Not quite kawaii, but you know what I mean? They're kind of animated. They feel like a kind of cartoon character almost. I like that. They create a kind of playful space. I don't know. It's not quite my headspace when I'm in it. Yeah, yeah. I kind of like just the black sort of solid poured latex look. But yeah.

1:11:00Jason Stewart:Yeah. We all have our flavors. But to each their own. I like latex better too.

1:11:04Jordan Tannahill:It feels more traditional. Yeah. Yeah. I love being in a latex suit. Second skin. You know, it's great. It's kind of a cool vibe. Although very, very hot at a rave. Very sweaty. How's the breathability? Yeah. No breathability. No breathability.

1:11:15Jason Stewart:Okay. So then when you're all done, you come home from basement at 7 a.m. You had your bacon, egg, and cheese. Yeah. And you go home. you finally zip out of that suit, take a cold shower. You've got to feel amazing, right? Amazing. And you just leave that latex to soak with some dish soap in the shower and then you're all ready to do it next weekend.

1:11:36Jordan Tannahill:You got the used latex with the Miss Myers just soaking in the fucking... Yeah, that's how you do it. Okay. I love that. You've got to maintain it.

1:11:44Jason Stewart:When you were still a youngster, would your mom have to wash it and hang it out for you for the next day? Yeah, I would hang up my pub hoods after school. I missed that Oh my god That's too good Jordan thank you for Taking the time to chat with us If you live in New York Your play Prince Faggot runs till November What's the end date? November 30th So you got a month and a half to go check it out Everyone says it's fantastic I hope to go see it I'll be in New York a couple times Over the next month Thank you so much guys I'll try to swing by Thank you. It was a pleasure. Yeah, had a lot of fun.