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10:36Chris Black:I'm sure that's the case. That's true about almost everything but I just feel like that there's too much. I guess there's too much margin for error that I wasn't aware of because I didn't think it seemed that technical of a process. But the difference that you just named, I feel like could be very big depending on how sensitive your palate is. I'm saying, though. The countdown's beginning, bro. When I get back and I taste that sweet, sweet New York City Café Antigrall, Abrasso coffee, oh my God, I'm going to be flying. It's like doing Coke for the first time. I can't wait. Okay, when exactly are you coming back?

11:13Chris Black:What's our, when the wheel's up? We're less than a week out right now. We're less than a week out. The countdown has begun. I've touched enough grass. I have typed enough staring out of a window. And let me tell you something, bro. This shit could make a weaker man crazy. I'm saying that on God right now. And I'm not even that strong. Okay. And you're saying this is making you a strong man in this scenario? No. No, no, no. This is testing my will to live in every sense. Just being in Florida. Sometimes I drive by the woman that's asking for change on the way to the Publix, and I almost hit her up for an oxy.

11:52Chris Black:You know what I mean? I know she's got them, and it's not looking. It's looking grim. It's looking grim.

11:58Jason Stewart:That reminds me, sorry for the quick detour, but when you were talking about the coffee and if you really have to add all that stuff to it, you're not really a Java junkie. and then similarly to you're not really an oxy head if you're like I gotta have my PJs on and a good movie and I have my big water and I have this and my socks and my jewel and then I can do it real oxy head we're chewing it on the bus

12:25Chris Black:no we're chewing it on the bus we're chewing it while we're walking down the fucking cereal aisle at Publix that's for the real Florida pill mill

12:32Jason Stewart:for my real Florida pill mill heads

12:37Chris Black:they know what time it is I would say that it is testing someone's, like it just being alone this much does.

12:48Jason Stewart:Are you saying you can see why Florida is maybe the like relapse failed life capital of America?

12:55Chris Black:Well, because yesterday I finished some stuff and I was like, I got to get out of this fucking house. So I fired up the GMC Sierra and drove 40 minutes just to drive to basically the nicer neighborhood that's like 30 minutes away.

13:10Jason Stewart:Shut up and drive.

13:11Chris Black:Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Take me anywhere. I don't care. Right. Yeah, that's literally what I said. So it's called Pantra Vedra. And it's like Malibu vibe, kind of like giant houses, like the sawgrass is there, like the famous golf course. so i go get a bad coffee in a shopping center just to like do something and see some rich people and then i went and hit the beach uh solo i brought my suit and i was like all right i'll take a quick dip and then i'll head back you know keep reading my books did you didn't you didn't bring your clubs for this one not even nine i i was jason it's gotten to the point though where i'm like i'm gonna go i'm gonna go rent some left-handed clubs at the driving range just to

13:50Jason Stewart:have this motherfucker said i could do a couple buckets right now yeah i guess i could do a

13:54Chris Black:couple buckets you just see me out there drinking a diet coke with a visor on a couple buckets you wouldn't even recognize me so the so i went to the beach i went to the beach and i'm like oh this is this is great this is so normal you just park the car and walk on it you know it's no bullshit there's no like it's really easy to do i get out there there's not a single person in the water it's only guys that look like alcoholics fishing that's it there's no one in the water and you

14:21Jason Stewart:know how they do it where they and this is a beautiful this is a beautiful ocean scenario right it's like a nice ideally beautiful it's not like down by the docks looking all shitty

14:31Chris Black:this is this is like 30 minutes from this is like in between pontevedra and i pulled up a nice photo from kayak.com is looking real nice it's nice it's nice but these guys are out there fit they're wearing the the florida man look is and this is common in orange county too the long sleeve hoodie to keep the sun off you know what i'm talking about the fin yeah yeah it's a brand called huk huk and but they do this thing where they basically it looks like and you may know this as a fisher person they have uh they it looks like they've gone to home depot and sort of fashioned these mini pvc pipes and they stick several rods you know one one per hole pause and they know David Harbour and they cast them and just kind of sit there and look at their phone and I'm like what do you even like I don't understand I thought fishing was supposed to

15:24Jason Stewart:so they have basically they have these like it looks like a little white PVC pipe sticking out of the sand in the ocean they'll get a big rod cast it out as far as they can sinks to the bottom they stick it in the hole crack open a keystone light lie you know tear the filter off their Marlboro red and wait for something to bite.

15:44Chris Black:I wish it was that cool. They're just sitting there on top of a Yeti cooler playing fucking a game on their phone. That's literally what it was like. I'm like, well, I thought fishing was supposed to be like, you're out there. That's the whole thing.

15:58Jason Stewart:You have to brick your phone before you go fishing. That's a rule, guys.

16:02Chris Black:I just feel like fishing, the whole point is that it's boring. That's the whole point of being there. If you start playing Candy Crush, I feel like that's diminishing returns.

16:12Jason Stewart:You ain't a real head, just like our coffee and our oxy. If you have to pull out the angry birds while you're doing the one thing that you love to do to relax and get away from your bitch wife or husband. That's what I'm saying. You go there and you talk to your friends about, hey, have you guys seen this Fred again? And he brought out the guy from Daphne. You're supposed to chat with the player. That's what I did. I tried to stop him and talk about that. World Series is on right now. NBA is on right now. There's so much for our straight male dads to be chatting about.

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22:24Chris Black:Just like us, they're glued to their phones, even when in nature. So I went, I take a dip, and the vibe is a little bit like, this guy's crazy about me. I'm like, this is an ocean. I'm doing what God intended and so are you. Let's coexist together on this beach. Is there a scenario where they know something about this water that you don't? No, I don't think so. I thought about that. I thought about that. But I don't think so. Some of them were standing foot in. You know what I mean? Like if they would have a couple rods set up and they would have another one in their hands and they'd be, you know, whatever.

22:59Chris Black:Knee deep, ankle deep. So I feel like if it was really radioactive, they wouldn't even touch it. but but sure sure i don't guys like this are fishing just for sport like i'll pull up the toxicology report they're not taking this they're not doing this to eat the fish or they could be

23:14Jason Stewart:we don't know that okay did you see them catch anything of course not no no no there was one

23:20Chris Black:asian family that was fully wrapped like mummies and they had their phones in plastic bags facetiming with their family they didn't get the water either that's quite dystopian sounding i must say The whole thing was psychedelic. I got in the water and the waves were nice and choppy. It felt good. It was refreshing. The reason I'm telling this story is because I did something that I've never done before. I wanted to talk to you about it as a guy who's a proponent of this. I didn't go shirtless for the drive home, but I did go open button down. So I'm like halfway there. Okay, a little teaser. A little teaser.

23:54Chris Black:I had a towel wrapped around my snatch little waist. So you did a nip slip is what you did. I did a nip slip barefoot driving home too, though. So I was really trying to lean into my Florida-ism. Are you letting the beard go? Oh, yeah. I look awful. But that's kind of the – I look crazy. I'm not shaving until I get back to New York. And then I saw that friend of the show, Justin Bieber, just shaved. Yeah, he's looking better. His fans are raving about it. They love it. So I think that I'm just going to follow his footsteps and kind of go back to – I don't know if I'll reach age 22, but maybe 35, hopefully.

24:30Jason Stewart:I mean, you're gooning your facial hair. You're edging it. I love to do it. Push it as far as you can. So when you finally put clipper to face, you have a real transformation.

24:43Chris Black:That's what I'm looking at. I need something to look forward to. But I would, I do, as you mentioned, I was up this morning doing my usual scroll. and all anybody could talk about was some guy's last name I'd never heard before.

24:58Jason Stewart:Okay.

24:59Chris Black:So for five tweets, I was like, who the fuck is this guy that's with Fred again? Why does everyone care? Then I realized he was one of the guys from Daft Punk. And I was like, oh, okay, that makes a little more sense. I'm not a Daft Punk fan to know one of them by last name only, which is maybe that's a, you know, that's bad for me.

25:16Jason Stewart:That's our friend, friend of the show, Thomas Bangalter. Bangalter. Thomas Bangalter. But it would be Thomas Bangalter for our English-speaking homies in America. Yeah, I saw a lot of those videos. Don't forget, TJ did it first many, many years ago before social media. Not a big deal. TJ did what first? Had a member of Daft Punk DJing

25:41Chris Black:without their helmet on? That's correct. That's 20 years ago. Okay. No, no. Look, TJ makes the world takes.

25:49Jason Stewart:Friend of the show, Glenn Jamin, has it on camera on YouTube somewhere.

25:52Chris Black:All right, let's get the, Glenn, let's get that clip up of goofy ass them jeans drunk off of malt liquor standing next to the guy from Daft Punk.

26:01Jason Stewart:What, okay, what, this is, you're, this is. He did a much better job 20 years ago than he did last night. No shade to the God.

26:08Chris Black:That doesn't surprise me. I feel like the intimate crowd was probably a little more energetic.

26:13Jason Stewart:I would much rather see him play than Fred again though.

26:16Chris Black:I didn't know this. So I'm watching the clip and I'm like, well, this, I don't get this. Maybe this is good. Maybe this is bad. I don't even know. That's how little I understand what's going on. But I was distracted because Fred again, little dork ass, was wearing what looked to be like a Carhartt or less side bag.

26:38Jason Stewart:That's just my places and faces side bag.

26:43Chris Black:Yeah, he's wearing a side bag. Fred again, look, I'm not advocating for men with purses. I think it's a little, you know, it's a little performative unless you're on contract with fucking Bottega. But when you're Fred again, you're, I don't know, the biggest DJ in the world right now besides Diplo and his run club. And you are on stage. That was, how many people was that? That was massive, what they were playing. Yeah, you know, maybe 10 ,000. 10 ,000 French people, which, you know. I don't know. I have no idea. Tough crowd. You know, thousands of French people. and he's that nobody should deal with he's wearing he's on stage djing he's performing in front of these people and he's wearing his little purse across his chest and i don't think fred again needs his molly that close to him and he's not getting id'd and he doesn't need a piece of gum mid-set so does he think this looks cool is that what's going is this like a i think it's likely because you said you've seen him do this before yeah i think he wears that all the time

27:45Jason Stewart:And I think it's his emotional support, anxiety kind of thing. I mean, this is just all hearsay and partially insultery. I mean, if I'm getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to DJ for an hour and I'm constantly booked and busy, I've got a tour manager, a manager, my manager has an assistant and their assistant has one you know give the give the guy your bag for a half an hour while you dj with fucking daft punk in front of 10 000 people you're also he was wearing an ammo in the sniffer shirt

28:24Chris Black:too which was unfortunately covered up that's the coolest music i've ever heard him liking so he's covering up the shirt i mean fred look fred contains multitudes i'm sure but the i was so distracted by his purse that i was his pocket book that i was unable to concentrate on the fact that the guy from daft punk was playing a five minute spoken word from the new paul thomas anderson movie or was it or was it the what did he play did you hear that part where it's like well

28:55Jason Stewart:the one the thing that i saw it was it was like a speech of somebody talking i guess this event in France was it's a big historical venue of some sort and I think it's being torn down or remodeled or changed into something so it was like a speech announcing it from back in the day whenever it was built I don't know so I'm sure that landed really well with all the fucking ketamine 19 year olds out there so that's why he came out

29:24Chris Black:was it at the Pompidou? was it the final rave? we should know where this was Yeah, I think it is. Okay. That makes a little more sense than why you would bring out French royalty.

29:34Jason Stewart:It's the Pompidou Center. Yeah, it's where the Wolfgang Tillman show was. And the capacity is more like 5 ,000, not 10 ,000.

29:42Chris Black:It's because they're closing it for good or to renovate it at least for a very long time. And that's why they let Wolfgang Tillman do that show there where he sort of just used the entire space as he saw fit. And I guess these parties are the final. Last night was actually the last thing that anyone was going to do. and why you could, why you, look, we don't need a fucking, we don't need Fred again. We got Ed Banger, bro.

30:05Jason Stewart:This is France. God damn it. Yeah. A friend of the show, a track had a tweet. Fred should not touch French CDJs. And that is true. I saw another tweet saying Fred again is sort of the, the, the third wheel of EDM. He's either, he's, he's just with these, these people. Somehow he just weasels his way in there.

30:26Chris Black:But why do these guys, why do these guys fuck with him? because he's that good and they're just like we got to show respect you know it's a good question

30:33Jason Stewart:i mean you know what i mean he could just be really nice he could have he doesn't seem cool syndrome when everyone's like he's just so nice and genuine and talented and oh shucks he just won me over and now he's in you know he's become a cool person who's chill and stuff as a as an adult but i don't know maybe it's some illuminati shit fred's dad is you know forcing these people to hang out with them or paying them to hang out with them? Who knows?

30:59Chris Black:No, I think it feels like something that we don't understand. And maybe that's just because we're not in the lab with Fred.

31:05Jason Stewart:I saw an interview with Fortet actually this morning. And he was saying, he DJed a party and came in with Fred again and just saw the way the energy shifted in the room. And then he was like, we should do a party at Madison Square Garden as soon as possible. And then just did that. and just set up turntables on the floor. They just said, give me the first date at Madison Square Garden. We'll put CDJs in the corner of the room on the floor and throw a party.

31:34Chris Black:So your OG is saying that Fred, whatever he's got, people go crazy for, and there's just no denying it, which I think is probably fair.

31:41Jason Stewart:Yeah, I think that's true, but I also think it's like, you know, whatever was happening last night, this French royalty and every big cool French electronic musician is on stage, and Fred again, you just got to bow out. Just don't do it. He was sitting there the whole time watching Daft Punk DJ in France in this big, emotional, amazing event. And all Fred wants to do is get his little hands on that USB stick and get it and start spinning that wheel. And he's about to drop a new crazy track. And it's going to make the crowd go sick. He couldn't just let the wine breathe before chugging it.

32:21Chris Black:Who played the Mehdi remix though? That was Daft Punk guy or that was Fred again? Probably. That was probably Poumont. I'm assuming. I didn't know if Fred was pandering to his audience which would be smart in that instance I would say.

32:36Jason Stewart:Yeah but you can't do it. Also if you're Fred and you're playing that you can't play any French music. You have to leave that all to them.

32:42Chris Black:Oh I see. So you're saying even though you know that'll bring down the house and you know exactly how to do it that would be disrespectful to the French OGs that you're

32:50Jason Stewart:playing with you know and whatever you're opening a comedian or a dj or whatever the opener can't play the hits or i mean you can play lots of hits just don't play the same ones that the guy before you or i mean the guy after you or the person after you is probably gonna play yeah yeah sure

33:06Chris Black:don't play stuff from their wheelhouse it was a fascinating uh scroll as a person who could care less um it was it was very people were very uh animated let's say about it yeah they were i mean

33:19Jason Stewart:unfortunately our friend Tomas it's hard to be a 50 year old guy who lives in LA and then DJ a fucking giant room like that I mean a lot of the ideas in your bedroom and in your head don't work in a big crowd like that in 2025 and that's a bummer he probably was going to craft some musical journey that pays homage to the venue and blah blah blah in 2025 people are just yelling 6-7 until somebody plays a fake mink remake

33:52Chris Black:yeah bro that's why look that's why i'm considering moving to florida they don't even know who fake mink is here you know well i when i'm at the when i'm at the publics i couldn't i could pull the entire place and no one would know who fake mink is they don't know real or fake mink yeah maybe one of the i don't know there's some there's some baggers that look a little under the influence they might know but you know i had a fake mink is beyond my level

34:15Jason Stewart:of comprehension i guess speaking of rap quickest i had um i had lunch with friend of the show kareem from from subway takes we went and had some persian food and we were we were talking about um glazing yeah the uh on the on the new york city mayoral debate was it curtis silwa who said you're glazing like he accused somebody you know it's like a 70 something yeah i guess so fire he's

34:43Chris Black:He's been unbelievably important to those debates as far as, because Zoran looks like a serial killer because he can't stop smiling. And Cuomo's an idiot.

34:53Jason Stewart:Yeah, yeah. Silva tells Mom Donnie not to glaze him.

34:59Chris Black:That is just so cool. Because that guy, like, that guy's a real New Yorker. Like, I think that, I've seen people say this, but they're like, people have just not been exposed to, like, a real New Yorker like that in maybe ever, like in this sort of context. And it is, I mean, he's obviously done all this. She's been around forever. If you live in New York, you know who he is and you know the whole story. But man, putting that on the big stage, it's rivaling Trump level comedy.

35:28Jason Stewart:I agree. He was born in 1954. He never leaves home without a red beret.

35:34Chris Black:That's the signature.

35:35Jason Stewart:And Mondani was like, they asked him if you weren't going to be mayor who would you vote for and you can't you know you can't vote for yourself and he said curtis and he's like you're glazing me so he is so it's not it's not like his team of 22 year old marketing genius gurus told him to say that to get the young people vote no he's that was just off the dome in response to he's on the block the guardian angels are on the block like that that's

36:04Chris Black:off the dump he ain't new to this he true to this zoran's also getting dragged for taking his chick to omen a classic uh new york japanese restaurant that is even by new york standards pretty expensive um so it's tough if you're doing the 150 prefix at omen it's tough to beat the the charges you

36:24Jason Stewart:know what i mean it's tough to beat the charge i just love that that eric adams goes out to thousand dollar dinners every single night and little zo gets his one little wagyu slider meal and he's getting skewered little zo got that 35 dollar avocado salad at omen and he's getting

36:43Chris Black:flambéed on the yakitori no but omen is a classic soho restaurant but it's an interesting it's like a you know it's a there there was a t magazine story about the regulars you know it's like patty smith like you see you always see somebody there it's that kind of place so i appreciate they have a green tea tiramisu legendary little zo has better taste in restaurants than i would have ever expected um but i i just love that when it gets in but you've you've seen his chick though

37:13Jason Stewart:she's like she just looks like a girl that she worked at vice would be hanging out in new york

37:17Chris Black:and yeah like 23 year old me would would definitely try to yeah for sure but i i i just i wonder if he smiles like that all the time when they're alone. I wonder if she's telling him bad news.

37:29Jason Stewart:Does he stop serving young Sheldon when he finally gets home and puts his Balenciaga shades on the table?

37:37Chris Black:When do you think Lil' Zoe turns off the young Sheldon? Is the question. Because I feel like if you're his chick, you're like, babe, you gotta stop. You're scaring my parents.

37:48Jason Stewart:I'm never gonna be able to finish if you are still Sheldoning. You know what I mean?

37:53Chris Black:he is damn he really is sheldon-ing but i also i've said this i said this to you before maybe

37:58Jason Stewart:it was not on the on the show but like well i was about to uh well actually into some pussy

38:02Chris Black:sorry go ahead like deal i guess i just didn't i forget that politicians are just they have to be full of shit and in a good mood or serious all the time like there's no just you can't be yourself because then people will find a fault that is maybe worse than your act you know so you you have to always be in character and i just think that that smile is too chucky vibes it's not it's not it doesn't feel good to me it doesn't feel good i know his heart's in the right place but i just tone it down bro stop hamming it up stop glazing yeah do you think it's just

38:40Jason Stewart:one of those things where that smile is just the luck of the draw like that's just what his physical mouth does and it doesn't represent any? Definitely. Oh, yeah. Or do you believe that his inability to make that stop happening is like an American psycho style sociopath kind of thing? You know what I mean? Is it a true tell into

39:04Chris Black:a spiritual aura? What if I said both? I think it comes by it naturally and it feels dark. I think both of those things are true. But I also think that if I I don't think he's being told to do that by like a campaign advisor. Like, I think that is his natural inclination, which makes it scarier. Right. Like his team is like maybe even less, if anything, you know, maybe even don't smile. Look, I know you're going to you're going to come out on stage with Pink Pantherist. They don't like smiling. Do not smile at the Pink Pantherist show. He can't help it. He just can't help himself.

39:41Jason Stewart:He is smiling like he's off a bean, actually. That's what I'm saying.

39:45Chris Black:He looks glassy-eyed.

39:46Jason Stewart:Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's off the fucking, the blue Punisher. He's off a Tesla. He is queening out seven days a week, and he's going to crash. He's going to crash. But he's going to have this guy some water.

39:58Chris Black:Hopefully he crashes after he wins.

40:00Jason Stewart:Yeah, so you do want him to win. Okay.

40:02Chris Black:You heard it here first. How long gone is? He's going to win. I didn't, look, I don't, like, this is one of the most twisted. These debates are amazing, and I haven't watched one in full. I've only seen the clips. I wish politics could just be debates forever. That's really the dream. Well, that's... Because these guys are all fucking bozos. Well, that's what the Andrew Schultz show is for, Chris. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. The debates never end. I listened to Bernie. I did listen to Bernie on Tim Dillon. It was pretty good. It was pretty funny. I feel like Bernie got a kick out of it. I think they liked each other.

40:34Chris Black:I think it was actually funny.

40:35Jason Stewart:Yeah, yeah. I think they mutually enjoyed it. I listened to that as well. Bernie being 84. It's crazy. He does not skip a beat. And it's going to be one of those things where he does not have the slow, gradual Lou Gehrig's decline over the years. He's not going to bite it out. He's going to be... Sharp as a tack. He's going to be spouting off some very impressive facts as the good Lord takes him away.

41:03Chris Black:It's crazy because it's like when you listen to Barack. And even when he has to talk to fucking Marc Maron, you're like, these guys are just built different. Like the way they're able to communicate is just so different. and that's why they are in or should be in the position that they are. And then you hear these other guys and you're like, oh, you ain't got it like that. But there's only going to be a superstar every so often. That's just how it is. You can't – that doesn't happen. Man, could you imagine having it like that? I can't actually because I do this all the time and I know that I am not touching Barack Obama or Bernie levels of conversation, but I also have less important points to make.

41:47Chris Black:So I give myself some slack.

41:49Jason Stewart:As you should. Well, you mentioned the PTA movie I saw this weekend. I'm sorry to hear that. It was good. I liked it. I know you don't like cinema.

41:58Chris Black:No, I'm joking. I'm joking. Everybody liked it.

42:00Jason Stewart:There's no Hunting Wives, but we got through it. but everyone was talking about how it was amazing but it's going to end up losing like$100 million probably and like how or whatever that means for the film industry if a critically acclaimed movie that's going to win a bunch of Oscars starring Leo and Benicio and all these huge names ends up losing$100 million. What does that mean? And I think it's because everyone just called it the new PTA movie and people had a hard time naming the actual name of the film one battle after another or one battle after the next. You know what I mean? I think for whatever reason they flubbed the name recognition on it.

42:46Chris Black:It's funny that you've mentioned I was talking to Issy Wood this morning about that Jeanette McCurdy book and she was talking about how good the title was and how naming something I'm Glad My Mom Died helped sell so many books. And I think this movie could have benefited from that as well i think you're i mean i think i was talking to cho about this i think it'll end up being fine like once it's all said and done like it probably won't lose actually 100 million dollars but right i i don't understand the game i just don't understand the game like i don't understand like how much do awards really mean in 2025 if that's the goal if the goal is is for these studio guys to just get their dick sucked by the academy and get awards for movies that no one actually sees i i just don't understand what the end game is i don't like making stuff that's popular is cool like i don't know like everything can't like everything can't be critically acclaimed like i'm more interested i mean that's why we don't pay well this podcast we're more interested in the most people possible hearing this and enjoying it you know like that that it seems it seems a similar like shouldn't you be able to make something that's good that also appeals to a really wide audience that isn't just pandering to critics or pandering to like middle America, but maybe not.

44:02Chris Black:I mean, maybe that middle ground just doesn't exist.

44:03Jason Stewart:Yeah. Well, I'm reading, um, I'm reading W David Marks's book right now. And he's, you know, he's talking about the shift from when, you know, the financial crisis and you had to do safe bets. And those are often sequels or preexisting IP, you know, Smurfs movies and stuff like that instead of cool you know scorsese flicks or whatever the attention deficit is fucked up the theaters and now when you go to the theater obviously you have 37 minutes of commercials and previews and then you have a 50 chance after getting a babysitter and watering the plants and you know scheduling your life around this thing there's a group of 10 13 year olds in there who snuck in who are yelling six seven and making fart noises don't talk about the foodie boys like that those are my guys don't do that there's some foodie boys up in there like i my barber i was getting my hair cut a couple weeks ago and he's he went and saw it and he said these kids were doing that and he had to like basically like dad dad yell at a group

45:10Chris Black:your barber was throwing your barber was throwing milk duds at the screen he's lying to your ass i

45:15Jason Stewart:know what he was doing in there my barber wanted to swing on some miners so bad but he couldn't you know and he would easily kick all of their asses even if they all came at him at once not

45:23Chris Black:a big deal but you know we have to swing on some miners i would love nothing more than to swing on

45:30Jason Stewart:some miners but we were we were in the theater watching it you know having a great time the pacing is smooth edibles kicking in all as well and then these kids start you know they just won't shut up they're laughing blah blah blah they're they're running around getting up in in seats and moving to other parts of the theater and you know throwing milk duds at each other or whatever saying six seven and then giggling and then a woman is like she had to get up and go tell somebody so you you either rat them out yeah or you yell at them in public and they film you and put it on tiktok or you smack one of them and go to jail there's you know so if you have a 50 percent chance of that happening in the theater why would i ever go why would i ever spend 42

46:19Chris Black:plus parking to see a movie i mean i want to see this bruce brinksy movie just to see it and i just don't have it in me i just cannot get myself to do it i look i literally you actively want to see a movie and you will not see it bro i looked i literally went online i looked at the theater i

46:35Jason Stewart:looked at the showtimes and i was like this is the state where and you're and you're in florida alone yeah like nothing to do time to kill desperate like desperate sunday afternoon

46:45Chris Black:all i've done is sit in front of my computer all week and stare at a fucking google doc i'd love to see a movie in theory and then i get i literally i went to the website and i was like i'm not gonna do this who the fuck am i kidding like there's no way i'm gonna do this and just

46:57Jason Stewart:you took a cold hard look at yourself in the mirror i really did i'm not a cinephile i'm

47:01Chris Black:gonna watch family guy i mean and people hate i know people hate that that movie but like i don't The new thing I've seen about that movie, which I love, is that it's because Nebraska the album sucks that the movie's bad. I'm like, bro, all right, come on now. Nebraska. Bad ingredients in, bad ingredients out. I'm not a Springsteen head, but come on, dude. That's a classic. You can't say that. You can say a lot of things. I agree. You can't say that. That's insane.

47:27Jason Stewart:Nebraska is a goaded record for him. I'm not a Springsteen guy at all.

47:31Chris Black:I just can't. Yeah, I just can't bring myself to do it. I would rather watch another Drewski video or the Love is Blind reunion or like 30 minutes of college football. If I'm not working or reading a book.

47:47Jason Stewart:Well, you know, this is maybe this you would rather. This is maybe a telling, more telling thing. You would rather watch the 10 minute video of our boy learning how to play Bruce Springsteen songs on guitar. Yes. And being interviewed about the process than the actual film itself.

48:04Chris Black:Yeah, I mean, the process of Jeremy learning to play and sing like Bruce Springsteen, who's never played guitar before in his life, is more interesting than any movie to me. That's the wildest shit I've ever heard. He's a grown man. That's so hard to do. It's so impressive.

48:23Jason Stewart:Because it was very impressive when Timmy did it for the Dylan flick, but Timmy's already been performing Soulja Boy songs for a long time now. He was already a very musical person, whereas Jeremy, not so much.

48:37Chris Black:Yeah, I think it's just a really, that to me is such an impressive feat that it also, I don't care if the movie's good or not. Like, that's so cool to me that that's my takeaway.

48:47Jason Stewart:And everyone give Daniel Day-Lewis his, I agree with you, everyone gives Daniel Day-Lewis his flyer, oh my God, he's doing a great Lincoln impression. We don't know how Lincoln really was, y 'all, that was from the 1800s. Dead ass. I've never seen a single Lincoln vine. Jeremy didn't know how to play guitar. And then like a year later, Bruce Springsteen said, you are doing a perfect job at this.

49:10Chris Black:That movie's success ends there for me. Like that's a win. Jeremy probably feels the same way. Honestly, I'm sure his managers and agents don't. But I'm sure Jeremy's like, yeah, I busted my ass. I did it. Like Bruce said, it was good. I'm happy.

49:25Jason Stewart:To circle this square, we need to get Jeremy Ellen White and Fred again in the lab. and Jeremy, you get the little MPC pad, lock him in the room for a month, he's going to shit out gold. Let's see what we get.

49:38Chris Black:Let's see what we get. Look, I wonder, that'd be a great question for Jeremy. I wonder if he's, I wonder since that movie wrapped, if he's played guitar. Like I wonder if it's become part of his life or if it was kind of like, all right. Like he can't put the stick down. What do I got to learn now? Oh, karate? All right, next movie, let's do it. I don't know if it's, I wonder if that's the case. But yeah, I'm not going to see any movies thinking about picking up the harp. I'm not going to see any movies, even, even though it's, you know, desperate times, desperate, desperate measures. I, I, you know, I, I, I'd rather watch Alabama beat South Carolina and the, you know, the last three minutes of the fourth quarter.

50:15Chris Black:That's more exciting to me. Are you watching college football? That's where we're at. I mean, it's on, well, if you're, if you're in this part of the country on a Saturday and you turn the TV on, there ain't nothing else to watch, brother. That's kind of it.

50:26Jason Stewart:Especially if you're, if you're bulldogs are going to, especially.

50:29Chris Black:If the dogs, yeah. No, I did watch a little bit yesterday because it's just so – I sort of understand the appeal of sports in the sense that it's so mind-numbing. You can bet on it. Well, yeah. But if you don't care, it really is just like something on where stuff happens in a way that you don't really have to pay attention to, you know? Yeah. And that is comforting.

50:50Jason Stewart:I think I'm so unk-coated and old enough to where I've become the unk on the lazy boy chair when you're watching the game and he's he's saying like this is some dumb bullshit back in my day the you know the world series meant something and you know the super bowl meant something and now like i was watching the the world series last night game two of the world series i watched a little bit of that too i watched a little bit of that too home runs excitement amazing playing world series of baseball you know hundred million dollar contracts for all these players. It was just making me remember when I would watch this shit as a kid and how much more exciting it was because we didn't have our phones to compete with and this and that.

51:36Jason Stewart:And we didn't have... Yeah. Between every pitch, the screen, the video of the World Series shrinks down so a guy can come on and talk about car insurance rates or whatever. And the logo on the mound is projected digitally and it changes every inning from Corona to Allstate.

52:01Chris Black:They got logos. It's like the NBA with the logos.

52:04Jason Stewart:They got logos

52:04Chris Black:and the helmets now.

52:05Jason Stewart:Like different brands. At a certain point it's like when is there too much glazing happening? When are we pulling too much milk out of this cow?

52:17Chris Black:I'm done with baseball it's the haircuts. I can't get past it. everybody looks stupid like every everybody looks everybody it's just there's too much self-expression they should not be wearing large necklaces while they're playing either no there's too much self-expression in the nfl even college it's i feel like there's less self-expression i feel like there's less room for little bits of flair and i respect that when there's a uniform in play i think it's because you every baseball player looks like he should just be on a fucking pontoon boat. They don't look like athletes.

52:51Jason Stewart:No, many of them are fat as well. Some do. But I like a sport where you get a fat, lazy, professional athlete that makes more money than every president on planet Earth.

53:02Chris Black:I want motherfuckers that look like they're chiseled from fucking granite that have guys on... They're spending$2 million a year to keep their body looking like that. That's what I want. I want guys on all kinds of shit. Have your gay ass watch men swimming quarterfinals. No one wants to watch that. We should talk about Lily because everybody else is talking about it. Lily. And I'm just going to, I need to, it's really something.

53:28Jason Stewart:Okay, Lily Allen just released her new record. West End Girl. And it's basically detailing her decoupling from David Harbour.

53:40Chris Black:Yes, from actor, thespian. You might know him probably from, I guess, do people know him from Stranger Things? Is that what he's most known for at this point?

53:49Jason Stewart:Yeah, I think mostly Stranger Things. Yeah, yeah.

53:50Chris Black:Okay.

53:51Jason Stewart:With friends of the show, Did Joe?

53:53Chris Black:Yeah. His shooter, David Harbour? Nah, Joe. He's like, I don't know that guy. He came to say, I never, nah. We never had scenes together, actually. It's crazy, babe. That got weird. Nah, babe. Nah, I never went to a bar with him, babe. No, no, no.

54:04Jason Stewart:He always kept asking me if I had any friends. It was so weird.

54:08Chris Black:Well, you're in a band. Can I come backstage? But Lily drags his ass, and it's really, really connecting with people. And I think it's an interest. White girl lemonade, they're calling it. Yeah, they are calling it white girl lemonade. I just, I wonder, I'm very interested to see what it does from a sales perspective. Like everything now can get so big on the internet before there's any like data to see how actually popular it is. So I'm very interested to see like what the tale is. Because it's from a marketing and rollout standpoint, it's about as good as it gets. They did a dinner at the Standard in London.

54:44Chris Black:there was a butt plug in the fucking in the gift bag you know what I mean this shit is pro dude it's very good it's very very good and like the lyrics are though it's a level of like confessional lyrics that I've I don't know maybe I've never heard before I don't know if you have other I couldn't think of examples where it was this because it's also such a public relationship that you like there's no doubt about it

55:08Jason Stewart:yeah I guess you know comparing it to Lemonade there were you know some pretty literal narrations or just like where it just reads like a diary entry of what factually happened. Yeah. But I think there's more nuance and subtlety and things like that. But also, I don't know whose crimes were worse between David and Hove, but Jay-Z seemed to be able to recover from that pretty much completely unscathed, only growing in wealth and popularity. I think staying married helps his case.

55:45Chris Black:You know what I mean? I think that put a W in the hope column. Yeah, but it was her decision to stay.

55:50Jason Stewart:It was her decision to, you know. No, sure, but still, it doesn't matter. Trust that his philandering was over. I'm not saying this is right or wrong or whatever, and I'm sure Harbour's crimes were probably worse, but, you know, he is persona non grata. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, I think. Who's going to hire him? And then Jay-Z gets to pick who plays at the Super Bowl. I mean, but that's a behind-the-scenes job.

56:13Chris Black:David Harbour gets to pick which girl gives him the massage. I mean, I think he's going to be picking for a while. The thing is, stuff like this, when stuff like this happens, he's going to get even more chicks because of this. That's the thing. Like, that's the thing. If he wants...

56:27Jason Stewart:He's going to go Fuentes and start getting toxic bitches.

56:30Chris Black:Yeah, if he wants to go dark mode or darker mode or pitch black mode, I guess.

56:35Jason Stewart:He's going to have to link up with Ryan Adams and the White Boy Underground Railroad. All right. Well, I'm here. Okay.

56:44Chris Black:Who's the hiding place? Let me introduce you to the guys.

56:48Jason Stewart:Dinner's at 8. Light's at 10. All right. I'm Ryan. This is my house. That's Army.

56:53Chris Black:You guys might know each other. This is David. He's new. He's new to the crew. So everybody just, yeah, we'll get the pizzas coming in like 20. So if you guys just want to have a drink, it's not good. It's not good for Dave. It's not good.

57:08Jason Stewart:Yeah, this is James Franco. He's actually getting out in a couple weeks.

57:17Chris Black:I mean, I just don't think there's going to be any. I think the Stranger Things finale is going to be played in movie theaters. And then he's got enough money to lay low for however long he needs to lay low. You know? And then he will.

57:31Jason Stewart:He is for sure set for life. He's paid as a motherfucker. But he's just going to have to go into the shadows.

57:37Chris Black:I don't know. I don't think he's that. I also think it's a weird thing where he's not that famous. This is making him more famous than he's ever been, if that makes sense. Yeah, for sure. His relationship with Lily and then now this have made him more famous than he was from his work, I would say. Yeah. So I wonder how directly those things are correlated if he does get some role or whatever.

58:02Jason Stewart:but yeah i mean enough time could pass and you know the the sands of time and and justice and

58:09Chris Black:retribution well i just don't know if people care about anything really you know what i mean like that's the that's the actual question it's like i just don't if chris brown can sell out arenas for 30 days in a row i just don't think anybody cares about anything yeah for sure it's different when

58:24Jason Stewart:you're an actor though you know if you're like oh this guy sucks but you know true he's this guy's a fucking tina smoking guy who can't stop dancing but he's gonna make you three million dollars a night turnkey you say yeah okay but in our in our data driven world yeah that's a very good point here's the top 100 actors that are gonna do this job very good point uh this guy if you google his name it's gonna say he's a really bad person um but then there's this there's the 99 other guys yeah yeah you're right you know don't google danny masterson news you know what i mean or

58:58Chris Black:whatever it is yeah that's that's a good point that's a good point i mean i think he'll i think he'll be fine i think she'll be better than ever and i think this will completely reinvigorate her sort of music career not that she would you know because i think she was just acting like she took you know whatever she put a record in like 2018 that was low-key very good and then had been acting and just kind of hanging out but i think this will be a real kick start yeah now now she's

59:22Jason Stewart:on you know she's she's snatched as hell revenge bod she's gonna take time to bounce on dick and do whatever she wants maybe go on a tour maybe not nelly frittardo or now announced her retirement i think today so this r.i.p that she said she said she said she got too thick and they she

59:42Chris Black:couldn't do it anymore like the haters were too wasn't that it literally she saw that lily on

59:48Jason Stewart:is now sample size and but i mean everyone was celebrating nelly frittato's pogness i think

59:56Chris Black:people i think people in our world were celebrating her pog changeover but i'm sure that her comment section was not you know what i mean and that's that's that's ridiculous i i'm i'm really like i want nelly and ashanti to thrive as much as possible they've given us a lot yeah and there's no, we should not be talking about their bodies negatively. Look, you have a new crowd.

1:00:21Jason Stewart:You have a new fan base. Enjoy it and give them love. There are so many communities who love a big girl like that. They don't care that you look like the nutty professor. No. Just get it popping. Make your money. Have fun. Celebrate your curves.

1:00:36Chris Black:I also feel like people like that can strangely sell as many tickets as they could in their heyday right now. You know what I mean? This is kind of your time in some ways. Nelly. We could do Nelly at the sphere. The sphere at the sphere, they're calling it. That's a good. I like where your head's down on that. Brand-wise, I think that's smart. I think that's really, really smart stuff. She's around, bitch. I'm sure it'd go over real well. Oh, man.

1:01:04Jason Stewart:I saw when I was watching sports yesterday, I saw a commercial with David Chang, chef. I've seen this for Chase. and he was talking about how he was utterly blown away by how good the cheeseburger or the hamburger at the Chase Sapphire Lounge at the airport was. And I want to say, you know, a younger me would say, okay, come on, bro, that's fucking bullshit. But a current me is saying, what do you think that check is for? For him to say that the food and I mean, first of all, even I will eat anything for free. The food at any airport lounge is disgusting.

1:01:43Chris Black:I bet that burger is maybe better than you would think it would be. He got paid millions to say that. I didn't think he was that relevant, to be honest. I didn't realize that he's the guy you go to.

1:02:00Jason Stewart:I think it's the Bill Simmons connection is making him.

1:02:03Chris Black:I mean, I just was like, but I guess also the only chefs that are famous that I can think of or are people we know that maybe don't have the, like Andy Baragani and Alison Roman don't have like the facial recognition on that level for Chase Bank yet. And then there's like, you know, old guys, like there's Gordon Ramsay and there's Nigella. You know, I just, I guess like who else is there? If you want like a food expert that is sort of recognized by face. Yeah. Like on a global scale, like on TV. I don't know how many people there are for the job.

1:02:34Jason Stewart:Yeah, and anyone who's not, like you said, all those people who's not just a white guy who's going to talk to you like he's the authority figure. Yeah, it doesn't. But now I want to try this burger. Yeah, you got to try the burger. And see what it is. But yeah, go for it. But it was making me think of when Tim Dillon was talking about doing the standup show in Saudi Arabia and saying like, this was a bad thing I had to do. There's a number where you say, nope, nope, nope, nope. Yep, I'll do that.

1:03:05Chris Black:this is what it comes down to but once again nothing matters that will that will in no way negatively impact david the only thing that can negatively impact david chang is him trying to copyright fucking chili crisp that the fact that that hurt him more than saying anything for money is is that that's a testament to where the world is you know what i mean like that's a crazy because there was that thing going viral this week too about like there was like an article written about adding miso to your eggs. Did you see this? Yeah, yeah. And then it was like, so much of modern white cooking is just, hey, did you know this POC I've been eating for thousands of years and it tastes so good?

1:03:46Chris Black:And people were just like, bro, shut the fuck up. Like, who cares? Like, you gotta stop. Like, nothing. There's no, we're past that now.

1:03:54Jason Stewart:It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't,

1:03:57Chris Black:so then fuck it. Nothing matters. Take the money. I mean, David Chang, it's also like, I've seen him on TV. He's not good. Like, I don't know. I mean, I watched that show a handful of times, and it's like Mario Batali was a lot better at that concept. You know what I'm saying? That's just what it is. But, like, I think that he can do.

1:04:14Jason Stewart:Because Chang is eating edibles, and Batali was doing bumps. He said, look, I got three pots going right now. Suck my dick from the back.

1:04:22Chris Black:But I'll go to Momofuku and have my fucking noodles any day of the week, and I thank God for David Chang for that. That's a blessing. Like, I love his product. I had some great kimbap at Super Peach in the Westfield Century City Mall just days ago. The magazine was really ahead of its time. Like, legendary. I think that was very cool. But I just, I don't need to hear from him. It's just one of those things. And maybe I don't care what he's talking about. I'm also not the intended audience, I don't think. Like, you're definitely more the intended audience. And I feel like you do, I feel like you do take in, you know, some of his stuff and enjoy it or don't enjoy it.

1:04:57Jason Stewart:I think the early Chang days, Lucky Peach, and he had a show called The Mind of a Chef that I really, really loved. And it was pushing the boundaries of food innovation and exploration. And he was really, you know, he really was out there to try and see how far you could take things. And I admired that spirit. And now, you know, he's become a 50-year-old Asian dad in Orange County. And, you know, his cultural references reflect that. so let it be a lesson to never become that you know yeah but the problem is i think the reaper comes for all of us at some point you know it came you know it came for bourdain too he was he was doing all this cool bourdain stuff slamming heroin fucking chicks he still ends up writing a cookbook about making a grilled cheese for your kid and chang was doing the same fucking less chicks but he's still gonna you know talk about making his kids school lunch you know yeah Eventually it does come for you.

1:05:55Chris Black:Or like golfing and sports. But the problem is that that stuff is so interesting to us, but that appeals to a much, much wider audience in the scheme of things than fucking chicks are doing heroin. Two of the coolest things that have ever existed can't compare to the crowd you will reach if you talk about golf and making your kids lunch. That is the sad reality.

1:06:18Jason Stewart:His house is much bigger now that he's talking about golf and college hoops.

1:06:23Chris Black:Much, much bigger. but now I'm craving those goddamn noodles. Oh, baby.

1:06:27Jason Stewart:I had some goop kitchen last night from your girl, Gweeney. That goop kitchen hits, boy.

1:06:33Chris Black:I tell you what. We had it two days in a row when I was shooting in LA a couple weeks ago and I was like, this is consistent product. This is high quality, consistent product.

1:06:41Jason Stewart:Chang was actually talking about how the gluten-free pizza is actually really good and it was good. I agree with him there.

1:06:46Chris Black:That's what half the people on set ordered and I was like, you guys are getting gluten-free pizza and I'd heard that before and they were like, oh yeah this is what you get here like we order this shit once a week on different shoots like

1:06:57Jason Stewart:this is all i get from here yeah i mean it offers a nice alternative to the prime pizza gluten-free which is you know still the king but it's a thicker you know detroit style sicilian yeah it's more substanct this one is a much more thinner crispy bar pie kind of vibe and you can order it uncut pause and then you could really hit the little pizza wheel and chop it up into your tiny bits if you want to do a party style like that.

1:07:25Chris Black:That is, I've been doing some pizza customization down here in Florida, actually. I've been getting a plain pie if I want pizza, and then I bring it home and shave my own Parmesan at Arugula myself. Oh. Because they don't have those kind of high-end ingredients at the local pizzeria.

1:07:44Jason Stewart:He said, let me put this miso in these eggs right quick. That's exactly what I said. I said, let a white boy do his thing. Okay. Did you order a microplane on Amazon Prime or did the kitchen already have a good cheese grata? No, unfortunately.

1:08:00Chris Black:No, I'm using Amazon Basics probably, but it does the trick. It's not pretty, but nothing here is, and that's fine.

1:08:08Jason Stewart:You can do the food processor trick as well if you want to get some more crumble. Yeah, sure. Let me warm that thing up real quick and make sure it's still kicking. I was thinking when I had the goop, why is this such a thing? And I really think when it was dinner for one, Carolyn's out of town, I got a small personal pizza and a small side salad. And it came in this white, nice, high-quality shopping bag that was huge.

1:08:40Chris Black:Yeah, it's giant.

1:08:42Jason Stewart:It's giant. It's sealed shut with a nice goop sticker. and I think just that merchandising makes the whole like yes I got a personal pizza and a small side Caesar salad but it just looks like a bag that you would get at Barney's or something like that it was just a nice merchandise bag and that just makes it that makes the insane price okay when the competition pizza in a box and then whatever else in a plastic bag that's tied into a knot that gets pulled out of someone's backpack you know like yeah it just that little bit where that bag shows up it just lets everybody know don't worry we're in gwyneth's

1:09:21Chris Black:hands we're all gonna be okay yeah i can come out of a fucking nissan centra and it still feels like gwyneth that's tough it's tough to do honestly that's like a real feat from a from a brand perspective um i do agree all right how long gone thank you guys for listening we're back next week with more podcasts don't you worry uh them jeans i will uh i'll talk to you soon thank you guys for

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