868. - Chris & Jason

11:25Chris Black:Okay, good. I think a security guard would be too imposing at the grocery store.

11:28Jason Stewart:that's a little too far but people really take their supermarket drinking seriously i did not know that but man oh man and then the the other gelson's in silver lake apparently they have a monday through friday standing jeopardy watch reservation i think friend of the show rory phillips might have an involvement with it somehow but apparently this group of people they show up 7 p.m. on the dot monday through friday whatever's going on i was the g the gm of gelson's was telling me this like laker games on dodger games on you know presidential debate grab the remote jeopardy he said unless it's like a world series or like the super bowl we're watching jeopardy and every single person has their designated stool that they sit on at the bar the bartender knows everyone's order because you can't really talk because everyone is silently watching jeopardy i didn't think about that yeah and i was like so what is the system for you know do people just watch it and enjoy it or is there like a does somebody raise their hand if they have the answer or like how do they compete yeah and he's like oh no they just everyone just yells it it's just

12:38Chris Black:people yelling the answer the whole time i for some reason but because of the way you explained it it made it feel like these people took it really seriously i guess yelling out the answer is the way to take it seriously but it does feel a little disorganized i would say i mean there's

12:52Jason Stewart:no other way to do it i mean we're not going to get a buzzer system going at the supermarket and

12:56Chris Black:then like pause the game i mean hey if we got a wine bar going to the supermarket i feel like a buzzer system is not that crazy so to so far off what did you what was the offering what was the offering at this oh yeah so like what what were you giving people to get them to hang out in a

13:13Jason Stewart:grocery store okay great question Chris first in addition to the miniature Gelson's tote bags and bottles of wine floral displays and you know things like that fun fun little moments I went to the Gelson's like the week before I went over to to the real real dropped off a fat load and

13:33Chris Black:then came over to Gelson's oh which location which location was it the one on Santa Monica

13:37Jason Stewart:no it's Franklin Beachwood oh the Beachwood okay okay okay okay okay because they have the biggest bar they have an outdoor patio that connects to the bar that overlooks the parking lot and you know the other parking lot but it is but it is like a a very booming hot parking lot oh it's

13:55Chris Black:popping no that that fucking gelson's is popping that's one of the busiest grocery stores i've

13:59Jason Stewart:ever been and it's across the street from the oaks gourmet and la poubelle and you know so even though it was a weeknight at 6 p.m you know it should look like the club rich hot people jaywalking everywhere and doing things like that but i went over the week before to just get my thomas keller at the farmer's market on you know just smoke a little something and walk around with my hands behind my back you know studying what was available jason i ran to

14:26Chris Black:you at gelson's on a tuesday you're wearing chef's whites could you explain yourself chef's whites

14:30Jason Stewart:smelling an asian pear but like the the the party we we did the party with the company called flash food and they they offer these like csa style boxes with produce just from supermarkets so they're like we have a surplus of you know whatever it is oranges and asian pears and white asparagus and japanese sweet potatoes whatever and you get a fat ass box of it for nine bucks but so they wanted me to they were encouraging me to offer some winter produce you know citrus and things like that. I made Contramar tostadas out of their poke bar tuna kind of thing. I made some little mini Ivory glass style hippie sandwiches.

15:15Jason Stewart:We did some classic gluten-free Chex mix. We did some, you know, the Rain Coast crisp crackers, the expensive ones. Smear a little Meredith dairy on top of there.

15:26Chris Black:Are those offered in versions that don't have any, don't they have fruit in them?

15:30Jason Stewart:You can get them regular, and you can get them gnarly.

15:33Chris Black:Sometimes they can get a little too fruity, huh? It's hard for me to kind of combine a cracker and a fruit.

15:40Jason Stewart:I don't need a whole cranberry in my mouth while I'm crunching down.

15:43Chris Black:I love cranberries, actually, weirdly. I love cranberries, but only raw. I only want ocean spray to the dome, a handful style like peanuts. Chris said, I want a little spray to the dome.

15:53Jason Stewart:Copy that.

15:55Chris Black:Just one sound.

15:56Jason Stewart:But Meredith Derry, it's like a goat cheese that comes in a glass jar. it's submerged in olive oil it's really it's expensive a little bit it's a chef-y gourmet kind of treat but if you ever see it, I think it's Australian goat's milk, but a little bit of that on top of that, a little slice of Asian pear and a little fried sage on top and then we did some little sushi rolls as well, some blue crab California rolls and then some winter veg sushi rolls like kabocha squash you know, bits and bobs things like that asparagus whatever seen a lot of squash lately it's squash time right now that sounds like a that sounds like a decent spread anybody get too drunk probably just me okay and then also you know vegetable crudités and you know little dips and chips and things like that it was it was dope but it was cool you know just being in a patio at a supermarket at night just drinking wine out of a gelson's wine glass so they've got their like love is blind style custom glasses

16:58Chris Black:Is it just logo, regular wine glass, or is it frosted? Okay, okay, okay.

17:02Jason Stewart:No, it's kind of frosted on.

17:04Chris Black:Okay, all right, nice.

17:05Jason Stewart:If a couple of those wine glasses went missing with some slippery fingers, I do apologize, Mr. Gelson.

17:13Chris Black:Why did Jason bring an L.L. Bean XXL tote to his activation? I guess he needed 12 new Gelson's wine glasses for the house.

17:21Jason Stewart:Yeah, I brought a lot of those boxes that have 12 little holes in it and a bunch of tissue paper. I don't know why he needed that. I love that. I brought over the Christmas ornament carrying case and just start putting wine glasses in there.

17:36Chris Black:Walking into a Gelson's plan to shoplift with just tissue paper to protect all the glass that you're going to take.

17:41Jason Stewart:I only steal very fragile things.

17:44Chris Black:I was able to get some pickles as well since I had the paper on me. It was easy just to kind of wrap everything up and keep it moving.

17:51Jason Stewart:But yeah, Gelson's, I know you're listening. You should sell those Gelson's wine glasses. that would be a Christmas holiday. I can't believe they don't. That seems crazy. That would really move off the shelves. We'll keep stealing them until you sell them. That's just the way things go over here.

18:03Chris Black:That's surprising to me they don't sell them. It feels like a very easy opportunity. But maybe I also like the resistance.

18:09Jason Stewart:This is why Gelson's activates, though.

18:12Chris Black:We don't need Gelson's to make hats and tote bags. You know what I mean? It's like for sale. We're past the point of that.

18:20Jason Stewart:Less hats, more tote bag. Just super market. Oh, you use it. I guess that's true. Let's move on from food, though. Let's move on from food. I don't want to alienate our Ozempic listeners or our non-gourmands. What do you want to talk about? We've got plenty to talk about, don't we? All right.

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24:17Chris Black:I watched some Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction clips this morning. After I watched the worst episode of Saturday Night Live, Sombra and Nikki Glaser. Nikki Glaser's monologue might have been the worst I've ever seen. And I've watched all of them. It might be the worst I've ever seen.

24:35Jason Stewart:am I crazy or was that actually the worst you've ever seen it was and it wasn't because of her being bad I guess I think it was just simply because what possibly could the reason be she will because she if she's a very successful talented stand-up comedian very good you know people whenever they're doing the celebrity roasts she often she's good at she's often like very good at resting the number one person but i think that her subject matter leans a little too dark and a little too edge lordy and a little too um i don't know tony henchcliffe kind of vibe for the snl somber crowd you know room full of people who are teenage girls and they're not

25:21Chris Black:her job isn't her job to know that and then act accordingly so it's successful yeah yeah yeah for sure i mean i i i got a couple chuckles here and there but making a spray tan joke and then saying your leg has a mexican name is like pretty i don't think that's edgy that's just bad that's

25:41Jason Stewart:just bad i just she flipped she went from self-deprecating to which you sort of is the only card you can really play in somebody like her situation an attractive millionaire blonde white woman you know you can't you can't start with the self-deprecation and then move into just

25:59Chris Black:regular old racism i used to lie i used to i i've seen her be really funny before and i thought usually but the other thing is they give these comedians too long they give them too much too much rope for the monologue it's like we don't need 10 minutes give her miles teller time let's get three minutes let's get three minutes is less time to fuck up like this ain't the comedy store

26:17Jason Stewart:it's all good but Chappelle usually delivers though he's only missed one or twice once or

26:22Chris Black:twice I mean I don't I could never hear about Dave Chappelle again as long as I live but yeah I mean giving him 20 minutes to smoke a cigarette is fine I guess he's earned it but he'll he'll have a

26:32Jason Stewart:overarching thing that he's trying to do and he'll go back and through and around and tie it all up in the end with an inspirational moment and drop the mic and everyone's like damn he killed it fam And then Nikki Glaser was more of like Epstein pedophile, child trafficking pedophile.

26:51Chris Black:I forgot about the child trafficking part.

26:54Jason Stewart:And it just gets things off to an unusual start.

26:59Chris Black:That sets a tone. That sets a tone. Yeah, sure. That sets a tone. Actually, I read a long story in the New York Times Magazine yesterday about trafficking. So I'm kind of up on it. Oh, really? I'm not going to work it into my material, but it is a problem in the Los Angeles area. specifically one stretch of road, which was funny to learn. What road is that? I would love to know what's funny about that. Is it Figueroa? I can't remember. It's like South Central, but it's quite a long stretch. It's like a 50-block radius is how they were describing it, which seems like a very long way. I guess maybe it's not.

27:37Chris Black:50 blocks? That seems pretty far.

27:39Jason Stewart:It does seem pretty far, yeah. But I mean, Figueroa, you can go from First Street and if you keep driving south all the way to long beach you're you get into the 200s you know yeah

27:50Chris Black:that's true i guess you're right i go up i didn't but the rock and roll hall of fame clips i saw i saw feist and olivia rodrigo doing a white stripe song and it was good like feist has clearly played a lot of acoustic guitar in her life and had like a cool one that had clearly been on the road for 20 years and olivia olivia rodrigo's look like she'd hit guitar center an hour before the ceremony straight off the wall and it well but it looked it looked like i think feist also has one that's like slightly smaller than the normal size so it looks more appropriate on her frame and i believe rodrigo had the same one that you know fucking jelly rolls using so it's kind of ate her up a little bit they sounded good though but uh but the and then tyro the creator did bombs over baghdad and i i it was very very good i was very impressed he did a good job He did a good job.

28:40Chris Black:He did a very good job. I was super impressed. And I mean, I think that he is such a great performer who makes music I don't want to listen to. So this was a nice chance for him to shine over. That might be my -

28:50Jason Stewart:Once Tyler starts doing covers, suddenly he's pretty good. That might be my favorite Outkast song.

28:55Chris Black:I realized when he was doing it.

28:57Jason Stewart:Did he do both parts, Big Boy and Andre?

29:02Chris Black:I only saw like a minute and a half of - And it seemed like he did all of it at the beginning. I missed Janelle Monae's - and doja cat i believe who are also involved but i i wanted to i just think it's so cool that under 3000 was there and was just like sitting there watching it not have had no interest in

29:21Jason Stewart:actually performing which is powerful i didn't even know this was a rock and roll hall of fame

29:25Chris Black:you said yeah it's like the induction i mean i think this year they did a better job of of like maybe not promoting it is the wrong word but like the talent wise like it feels relatively current and interesting and the clips are online so people watch it right it wasn't like white snake yeah that's what i was gonna say toto yeah outcast outcast and like sound garden are a little more contemporary i think than it can be sometimes it wasn't gene simmons and the jay giles band yeah exactly one more time but the once again enemy of the show brendy carlisle was carted out to do a Soundgarden, Black Hole Sun, which is just like, I don't even know, man.

30:06Chris Black:I don't care about Soundgarden. I don't think they're cool or not cool. It's just something that existed at such a, it was so popular when we were younger. I know the words to every one of those singles without ever pushing play on it myself. You know what I mean? And I just can't, we can't have Brandi Carlile doing that. I don't know who the right person is, but it ain't her. To do Black Hole Sun, Cameron Winter, bro. That's what I'm saying. Dude, if I have to – I've been seeing these tweets about this guy who's got like a cool granddad, or maybe it's a girl who has a cool granddad, and he's texting her about – he texted her about Snowcap saying, Waxahachie and MJ Linderman rebranded.

30:43Chris Black:It's pretty good. And then he posted a picture of himself watching the Geese Zane Lowe interview on his couch, but he's like a 65-year-old man. This is a little Chris Black.

30:55Jason Stewart:This is your future.

30:57Chris Black:Yeah, you couldn't get me to watch a Zane Lowe interview in full on the TV. But otherwise, yes, I think there is.

31:04Jason Stewart:I saw some clips of that Geese interview, and it was really funny seeing Geese in high-definition 4K, the Apple cameras system or whatever, and just seeing these guys. Dude, I kind of fucked with it. It was really funny. Because normally in that lighting, in that situation, with those filterings and color processings you you just expect to see like carol g or you know halsey just these people who are like done up and larger than life and full glam all the time and just to see these you know four kids who just woke up just sitting there with sunglasses on and you know shitty clothes smelling bad it felt ai generated almost but i did not

31:51Chris Black:kind of like what they were saying almost didn't matter like the presence alone was so what you're describing is so strong that i think it was it was just an iconic moment yeah it was like the one guy wearing the bug eye sunglasses that are like take up half of his face wearing the we're in the dandy warhols yes he was wearing the dandy warhols but i was like you know what this is i just can't believe i you know i can't believe the talk around this but it's like a it's a once in a lifetime insane moment for a band that sounds like this to get this popular yeah and it's i think it can only exist like why do you think it's so like memeable like i i don't know what it is exactly because there's a lot of bands like them that are good and successful and in a lot of

32:35Jason Stewart:ways that's a good it's a good question i think this is like i don't know it's like it's like the first coming of like arcade fire meets maybe when radio had like kid a and arcade fire like that kind of vibe where if you're a certain age there really is a paradigm shift not to use that phrase but no you're right you're right this is the first time people of a certain age are experiencing music that sounds like this and it's being served to them by the algorithm not because your friend's cooler older sister yeah took you to the record store and said here's this band called royal trucks or whatever it is it's more so just like i've opened my phone and then now there's this guy screaming insane shit over like a atonal jazz record and now everything i knew about you know i was listening to chapel rhone and rose featuring bruno mars yesterday and now i'm listening to

33:35Chris Black:this and it sounds like revelatory another world yeah yeah yeah it is and i that you're absolutely right about that and that's part of the reason i like it so much but i guess it's also just one of those things that's very very popular but also very very polarizing and i think people hear it and they're like i hate like immediately hate it it's a love or hate thing within 30 seconds which is a powerful i think that's powerful as far as uh getting the dialogue

34:01Jason Stewart:going online yeah i mean because even though you'll see these amazing videos of of them performing and it's like in a church and it's just this amazing you know i'm listening to it and it's like i'm being born again existential moment yeah and then other songs is just like a guy screaming some shit you know like death grips kind of stuff so if you you got to catch it at

34:28Chris Black:the right time depending on what you like you have to yeah you absolutely have to catch it at the right time yeah i guess we didn't talk about i guess we didn't talk about the grammy nominations but i um i'm of course disappointed to see so much kendrick lamar in there but it

34:41Jason Stewart:has to be expected also didn't i feel like that record was on last the last i mean i just feel like that song and that record has been yeah i don't i think it's for so long it feels like we're past that cycle by now but this is how it always this is how it always works it's like i

34:56Chris Black:I think it's a September to September, I think, is the window. But yeah, I didn't really – nothing – I was a little – I was – I didn't see anything super exciting or unexpected. You know what I mean? Like I think it was sort of like –

35:10Jason Stewart:Yeah, I guess the record came out a year ago, November 2024.

35:13Chris Black:It's like the perfect – yeah, it's like the perfect amount of time. But yeah, I guess I was expecting to see something a little more exciting. Just, you know, like a left field – Why? Because sometimes there's a left field surprise in one of the categories. You know what I mean? if you like get in there sometimes you're like oh that's interesting that so and so got nominated

35:29Jason Stewart:well the only like out of the albums of the year there's somebody named leon thomas and the record is called mutt and i'm assuming he's just a giant country music star that i've never heard of no no

35:39Chris Black:no leon thomas is an r &b singer it's huge okay i only know about this i only know about leon thomas from listening to joe budden that's not an exaggeration i've never seen it anywhere i've never heard it anywhere i've just heard them talk about it but mutt is giving it's giving country music you're not you're not crazy for thinking that after reading the title okay i pulled i

36:00Jason Stewart:pulled up the uh i pulled up mutt by leon thomas produced by d phelps and freaky rob i like that freaky rob that's cool the chorus is take your time what's the rush baby i'm a dog i'm a mutt That's good stuff. That's kind of flames. He said, I can't smoke on Reggie, so pardon my bluntness.

36:23Chris Black:Ooh, ooh. Okay, get him.

36:26Jason Stewart:Yeah, I guess this is a little kind of co-worker middle school music, I'm assuming, just by looking at it.

36:32Chris Black:Never going to listen to it. I actually, no, I don't think it is. I think it's like sort of, I mean, I'm sure it is that because it's so popular, but I also think it's sort of like old head, like real R &B. You know what I mean? he is 32

36:45Jason Stewart:wow

36:47Chris Black:that's what's interesting about it

36:49Jason Stewart:so this is going to have a neo soul flavor to it perhaps

36:53Chris Black:I think it could yes I think it could I just think that it's like I appreciate when something like that gets nominated for a Grammy because it's actually doing real shit and it's like we don't even know about it because it's not for us

37:06Jason Stewart:Leon you're cool I shouldn't have judged your song based only on the lyrical content and I'm sure you're making that Strat sing. Yeah. I think he already has Grammys as well. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I was looking at that. The Grammys truly don't matter at all anymore, it seems like.

37:32Chris Black:But no award. We got K-pop demon hunters. People always say this, but what award does matter then? That's what I don't understand. When people say that, I'm like, alright, well then I guess none of it matters, which is fine. I think it matters if you win as a personal victory. I don't know what... I guess what I'm saying is when it mattered, what did that mean? When you say something doesn't matter, when it mattered, I don't know if it felt any different, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

37:57Jason Stewart:Yeah, yeah, I guess you're right. I mean, I guess the Grammys have always been the enemy, and it's always been a little controlled by the powers that be and not necessarily... you know i guess with movies you feel like the academy you know it's being judged on by your peers and not just jimmy iveen saying like this year we're gonna do dijon okay so it feels like if there was like if if will welch did a little pitchfork awards and they did not just indie but just all music but the thing is it was mixed in with every it wasn't just only Sabrina Carpenter Bad Bunny you know Lady Gaga all that stuff it was like truly anyone and everything you know it's one oh tricks point never going up against Cat's Eye for best you know soundtrack cut of the year whatever it is you know what I mean it's not just somber one but those things are these are

38:57Chris Black:voted on by people that make the music that's the it's not like it is quote unquote the powers that be so the grammys does that too as well yeah yeah the grammys is voted on by like people who are eligible because they're in the business and they're which means you know obviously a lot of

39:12Jason Stewart:things i i guess i did know that and i forgot but you get the feeling that that's just like a formality thing that they do for fun and it's not really you know there isn't like a governing board who's really making you know they're they're deciding who's gonna win stuff and who's gonna

39:27Chris Black:be nominated i don't actually i don't i don't believe that actually i i think that there's enough bad people in the music business that vote for the stuff okay well then maybe we need to

39:36Jason Stewart:not we need to not have it be voted on by a group of your peers and it has to be voted on by people who have deemed been deemed essential gatekeepers and smarter knowledgeable people about whatever it is.

39:52Chris Black:Pitchfork put out a list of the best 100 rap albums or whatever, and it was voted on by the readers, and it was laughably bad compared to what it would be. You can't win. That's the thing. I guess you can't win. You can't win. But I also just think that this award show thing is, obviously it's all meaningless, but can't something just be fun and feel good to be recognized? I don't know why people act like it's some, like you have to like stand up against it like it's bad do you understand like it's not i don't

40:24Jason Stewart:like why drake keeps boycotting it every year yeah like if you're if you're taking it that

40:28Chris Black:seriously you care more than the people who win to me like that feels like a doth protest too much kind of situation to me i don't i don't i'm just like dude who cares put on a tuxedo and go win your award who gives a fuck like i don't know why it's that big of a deal yeah rosalia put on

40:43Jason Stewart:your weird robe and get out there and get your Grammys.

40:47Chris Black:I love watching people pretend they like that shit. Oh man, that's been a highlight of my week. It's 10 out of 10 everywhere, bro. 10 out of 10 for people who are lying to seem smart. That shit is unlistenable. Actually, no, it's not unlistenable. It's very listenable. I don't ever want to listen to it. Where are the songs at? There ain't no songs. I just don't understand who this is for necessarily. Besides showing how... Who puts them on with the guitar? Do you think it's like I'm trying to show how musical I am and how my range is so incredible and the songs don't matter? Or do you think this is something that I just don't understand?

41:43Jason Stewart:I'm a dog, I'm a man.

41:49Jason Stewart:I think it's both. I think it's literally 50 % right down the middle both. I think that there are a lot of people who are like, I'm supposed to like this music because it's going to make me the person that I would like to be in the world. And then there's just your hard-headedness and closed-mindedness of not letting the music take over your body. And that's okay. I feel that same way about many artists, and you do as well. You're just not going to do it. It's just never going to cross the line.

42:20Chris Black:I don't understand if her audience is liking this because they like it or because they've dedicated so much to liking her that they feel like they have to. Do you know what I mean? When an artist puts out a challenging album, I feel like the diehards are forced to – I mean, this happens with a lot of people. Fetch the bolt cutters. yeah yeah like this happened with i mean that's how people were talking about tame impala and lord too it was a similar thing like some people loved it some people hated it and it was like uh it was like but with that level of fandom and i'm sure rosalia has this there's also because i've seen people like like talk about it they like struggle because they really really want to like it and they really want to find a way so they usually can if the desire is there if like i really want of like this so i'm gonna try and try and try until i do which i respect as a fan but i will this will not be gracing my sonos anytime soon do you think people are doing that with with geese uh yeah for sure oh yeah for sure i mean i think geese is also like i mean i would say depending on your palate geese is just as hard to digest as this rosalia yeah i would agree so you know i don't think that's i think rosalia i think that the rosalia musically it's like the talent is pretty clear and amazing and she's captivating and the artwork is everything's good about it it's just not music that uh i just don't know when you put this on it's just every i think it

43:46Jason Stewart:boils down to everyone has a different idea of what beautiful is to them and that's yeah that's

43:52Chris Black:what it is i think it can be beautiful uh and also unlistenable which might sound crazy but like i think that's i think there's a lot of i just don't know if um i think you set your audience up to think you're one thing and you go in another direction which you have every right to do but I don't know if you can expect them to follow you into the fire if it's this challenging.

44:11Jason Stewart:I guess the last time this happened and you had the same situation was like Frank Ocean. Yeah. Which I think is almost 10 years old. Isn't that crazy? But that's another album where it's either like this is God's prophecy being shot down into my Honda Civic or somebody like you where it's like there's no songs here. This is a collection of...

44:33Chris Black:He's got some ideas there's some ideas in here there's some voice notes you sent your producer i mean i always said about frank ocean when frank ocean made songs that those he had some fucking slaps the one with the car on the front that shit has songs channel orange we're that's what that's that's

44:48Jason Stewart:it's good that we do a podcast together because i'm the exact opposite i thought that was really dumb and stupid and then i liked i understood him more when it was when it was blonde because it wasn't him trying to make songs it was him trying to make art what well not to sound what

45:06Chris Black:he considers art i mean that the video the video of and everyone else in the world i just think people want to like stuff and i do too like i do too like i i'm the same way like if somebody i love put something out that feels challenging to me i am definitely going to put in more effort to try to understand it that's not you know what i mean that's what we all do i think people want to

45:25Jason Stewart:like timothy chalamet on the cover of vogue floating in space i mean with some embroidered

45:31Chris Black:some of the worst pictures i've ever seen and i i i'm an annie lebowitz apologist normally um but i've the the discourse online is it's time to take her camera away which is which is really funny but i heard from a source uh that that cover image was not in space when it was made that was not That was not communicated. I'm saying they didn't take a spaceship.

45:56Jason Stewart:Okay, so they didn't take the Mars rover up. You mean that it was shot on a white backdrop or whatever, and everyone just said this is going to be a cool portrait, and then after the fact, they're like, maybe we will drop him in space, and he's going to be standing on top of Jupiter instead of a psych wall. Yes, yes.

46:16Chris Black:I think that decision was made after the fact, and maybe some people involved in the making of that image were not alerted to that fact.

46:25Jason Stewart:It's so funny of all the people, too. They're like, Annie Leibowitz, we love your pics or whatever. You've been killing it. We are going to think, how do you feel about this? We're going to Photoshop him into floating his face.

46:37Chris Black:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think it was her idea. That's the fucked up part. That's why we got to take her camera away. Take that Leica away. I don't think she knows how to use whatever program is required to do that kind of work. But there's a staff. You know, there's a staff that can take care of that. But yeah, that's...

46:54Jason Stewart:Damn.

46:54Chris Black:Those are rare... I mean, Timmy can sort of do no wrong and I think this is another illustration of that because I think he came out unscathed pretty much and they're blaming... You know, they're instead blaming her.

47:08Jason Stewart:They're blaming the new editor of Vogue.

47:11Chris Black:Yeah, which is also... I don't think this is... No, I think they're saying it's Anna's last issue. So I think that there's... And Annie Leibovitz is, it's tough to watch. I mean, it's like the Patti Smith memoir. It's like her fifth memoir. Patti Smith has absolutely ruined her legacy. And Annie Leibovitz is doing the same thing. Like, it's like you, when you look at the Annie Leibovitz book that came out a couple years ago, there's so much fucking heat in it. It's crazy. Like, it was so good for so long. Like a run multi-decades of beautiful pictures. And it's just like, man, some things happen and they don't work no more.

47:46Jason Stewart:Guns N' Roses made Appetite Lies Lies Lies Spaghetti Incident Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 but Duff McKagan keeps cranking out shitty solo records he doesn't know when to hang up the top hat

47:58Chris Black:it's the same but it's tragic it really is I don't think the ping pong movie is going to be affected no no no it's a W for Big Ten

48:10Jason Stewart:everyone says it's a great film

48:12Chris Black:can't wait to see it

48:14Jason Stewart:speaking of things that people automatically want to dislike, not like, like our geeses and our Rosalias. Did you like I Love LA featuring Rachel Sennett?

48:28Chris Black:I did really like it, yeah. I finally, I watched it, we watched it on Friday night. I really liked it. I think it's the exact, I like the subject matter. Like I like how current it is and how like it feels. The thing that felt the least real was Jordan Furstman wearing a circle jerk shirt. That wasn't believable to me. Everything else, very believable.

48:51Jason Stewart:But he would wear that in real life too, not knowing what it was and just saying like, oh wait, I do that sometimes. That's true. And not knowing it's a band.

48:59Chris Black:Oh, I thought it was a celebration of the act. You're saying it's a punk band? A celebration of the act. I did like it though.

49:07Jason Stewart:I'm excited. I'm sure Keith Morris was stoked when his kids sent it to him or whatever. I like that it's coming out weekly too. The way a good HBO show should. And hopefully it stays very of the now the way Entourage seemed to do where whatever was happening in real life is happening a month or two behind on HBO. But I also liked it obviously me being an influencer who lives on the east side of Los Angeles. it is a show that's sort of meant for me to watch even though i'm double the the target age

49:42Chris Black:demographic i just think that i i don't understand the the discussion about that online too is like psycho like i don't understand just the way they talk about rachel is obviously we're biased we're friends with her but it's insane like people are just just like what has she ever done that's good and it's like i think all of her work is actually kind of critically acclaimed historically you know It's like you might not have liked it, but it's not like she – I just don't – I think that every show like this will forever be compared to Girls, which for whatever – and Girls is a great show, but I think for whatever reason right now it's also considered the bar of any show that could ever exist that's even remotely close to this world.

50:23Chris Black:And I just think times have changed, and that's not necessarily that fair of a comparison after one episode.

50:28Jason Stewart:I just, what I like about it is that it's a show where a bunch of people were like, what if we made a funny show that was entertaining to watch every Sunday night, like how HBO has been doing for decades. Yeah. Instead of like, what is the message? Is there going to be a happy ending at the end? And is everything okay? And is there a classic arc like we're going to see on Abbott Elementary where something bad happens and then something at the end is good and we play a sappy music? What if it was just funny to watch and it's not like a thought starting essay?

51:05Chris Black:The sleeper star is Leighton Meester as like the boss.

51:08Jason Stewart:Yeah, I mean, she knows that character. She is that character.

51:11Chris Black:She's so good, so good. Love to see her. Love to see her back.

51:15Jason Stewart:Yeah, hopefully she's in it more. But yeah, well done, Rachel. I found myself chuckling and giggling the whole time. I mean, who else has snuck in a Tenants of the Trees roofie joke onto Prestige's television? Speaking of being for you, yeah, that's powerful. Yeah, Chris, I too have been roofied there. No, no, no.

51:38Chris Black:I just mean you've spent a lot of time there.

51:41Jason Stewart:Yeah, don't. That almost makes it worse. I'm just saying, you just spent a lot of time there.

51:47Chris Black:I'm just saying you kicked it there quite a lot.

51:50Jason Stewart:Yeah, you just kicked it kind of at the end of the bar. and just kind of...

51:53Chris Black:You just kind of sat on a stool for like hours and hours. I don't know. You always had this like dropper

51:59Jason Stewart:in your pocket. I don't know what it was. It was... I don't know. Let's see. I was... Oh, yeah. I was reading Chris is Pulling Weeds. The rise of monitoring film statistics and data versus just enjoying... First of all, well done. I thought it was well written. You're improving as a writer every month. But a quote stuck out to me, let's just enjoy stuff while we still can. And I wanted you to expand on that anymore. Are you foreshadowing? No, no, no. I just think - A dark demise in our near future?

52:32Chris Black:I think the more stuff we get, the larger percentage of it is bad. You know, just history. If we're gonna get 100 % of shit, you know, 89 % of it's gonna be bad. And we're only gonna keep getting more. Even if it's the humans doing it or the robots doing it, you know. It doesn't make a difference. I just think that the – because it's also – that was sort of a – like I do that in my own ways. I think we all do it in our own ways because we have access to the data, and it's tough to ignore it because it's fed to us. But with music, I've made a point to never look at Spotify numbers because I'm just like I don't care.

53:12Jason Stewart:Well, I think it's mainly because you don't have Spotify because you think it looks ugly. No, I do have Spotify.

53:17Chris Black:I pay for Spotify every month. I have it. If I wanted to look at it, I could. I have Spotify and Apple.

53:21Jason Stewart:Yeah, but you're vocally against it, and you are always an Apple. If Apple Music had the stats for each song on it, would you choose to have that hidden, or would you let it rock? I mean, is there an option to hide that on Spotify? I don't think so. But, you know, just - That's a good idea. Hypothetically. Yeah, no, no. I'm just - Go invisible mode. Well, I was thinking that a part of that is now that we're in sort of like a classic or trash society or, you know, an F marry kill. There's no real ability to have like any nuance or subtlety in between and talk about it. So because it's more work and I think most people just want to kind of, you know, they don't have enough attention span to really talk about the music or the art or whatever.

54:15Jason Stewart:And it's so much easier to just move that into the pile of good or bad based on. Totally. Totally. Based on the box office scores. Like I'm only going to go see it if a bunch of other people saw it. So then, you know, what does that mean?

54:29Chris Black:I think it's also these industries are what people fantasize about being part of. And it's like it feels, you know what I mean? It's like it feels so far away because it's like celebrity driven. So it doesn't, I don't know. I think it's like easy. Like this is what people do with the stock market. But there's no, to me, that's literally numbers. You know what I mean? Where this is not that. This is stuff that's supposed to make you feel something and is not, you know what I mean? And it's like not actually numbers. but like i've been looking at the billboard charts since i was buying like rolling stone in middle school and it had it in the back you know like i i look at it like of course i read all this stuff i care but it's also just like you you like the stats you're interested in seeing it but you don't use it as your soul yeah imagine if you use that as the barometer i'm going to be listening yeah i'm going to be listening to k-pop demon hunters if that's if that's the road you want to go down it can get dark but i think that there's shout out to matt belony but that's the thing it's not matt it's like that's their job they're informing an industry but i think what it's happened is the data has gotten so it's it's it's penetrated every part of our lives we're like 14 year old like i said in the story like 14 year olds are like posting screenshots of ticket master sales for the it's it's crazy it's like imagine being that age and that's what you're concerned with not can i go to the show can i get a ticket will my mom let me go you know it's like that's that's

55:50Jason Stewart:what's crazy to me yeah i guess i think as as we all have crippling anxiety and attention deficit disorders it has sort of become more fun to organize things into piles rather than discuss the discuss them you know what i mean our animal lizard brain wants to just categorize things and and move things around and put square pegs in square boxes and instead of being like hey what you think about this movie well i wish i didn't i mean yeah i wish there was stuff i didn't know

56:22Chris Black:you know like i wish i wish there was even even when you ask somebody what they think about a

56:27Jason Stewart:movie they approach it as a value proposition the way i would a restaurant where it was like it was good but it wasn't 300 a head good you know what i mean like if it was worth the money that they spent on it that's how they talk about films now instead you know back when a matinee was seven dollars it was okay if the movie was okay well it's also okay like damn it was also okay

56:52Chris Black:because there wasn't you didn't have access to a hundred thousand options at your fingertips that you're already paying for yeah and i think that's the like like film reviews read as like

57:02Jason Stewart:warnings to other people other consumers now versus a discussion of art you know what i mean yeah like did you like your trip to tokyo well here's how much i spent it was sort of worth it

57:13Chris Black:not really you're right you're right i i just don't i don't know man i think it's only going to get get worse and i think that it's um it it made me wonder i guess all this record industry grammy

57:25Jason Stewart:talk do you think it would be cool or interesting or bad or good if record labels made their budgets public the way movie studios like you know we know that spider-man costs 400 million dollars and it has to do XYZ in China just to break even and another XYZ if we want it to be profitable for the Q4, Ellison, blah, blah, blah. If we knew like, okay, Rosalie has got to do this many streams week one or else hiring the fucking Duolingo choir and the full-on orchestra, it's going to be a loss later. It's going to be, you know, it was bad for the portfolio. Would you like that? No, I would like none of it.

58:08Jason Stewart:I would like less of that.

58:10Chris Black:Yeah, I mean, but I do think it does.

58:12Jason Stewart:Is that going to be in our near future, whether we like it or not?

58:16Chris Black:I don't know why it's different between Hollywood and music business, but I feel like...

58:19Jason Stewart:They make it seem like the Hollywood industry is crumbling and less so than the music industry.

58:26Chris Black:I think it might be worse than the music industry at this point. I think the music industry, whether people like it or not, has been saved by streaming because it benefits the labels more than it does the artist. You know what I mean? so it's like they're better off than they were maybe 8 years ago.

58:39Jason Stewart:I think they're both trying to make both film and music to be quote unquote saved by AI technology.

58:48Chris Black:I'm sure there's, look if you listen to Joe Rogan it's the only music he listens to now is a 50 cent AI cover that sounds like a big brass band. So I mean look anything. The only people it's saving are the people who own it. Yeah I just don't. It's not saving anyone else. Yeah I just think that I think that the. Curious to see what Zoron has planned for this. Yeah, me too. Me too. Yeah, I think he's going to figure it out. He's got a lot of stuff to figure out, so this is probably at the top of the docket.

59:16Jason Stewart:Grammy-wise, Turnstile being nominated a couple times, is that the first hardcore band Grammy nomination, or was there a hate breed or something at some point?

59:25Chris Black:I feel like maybe during the Ozfest era, there was some weird hardcore band that probably got - Dillinger, Escape Plan. Yeah, but Turnstile, I mean, they got nominated kind of a lot, too. I think it's like three or four times.

59:38Jason Stewart:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

59:39Chris Black:I mean, it'd be cool if they won a Grammy. I mean, I think it's like watching that whole thing and the backlash is so funny to me because it's like I just don't understand being an adult man and being mad that something you liked first is successful now when it hasn't really – like I didn't listen to turnstile from day one or whatever but the last two or three turnstile records are you can see where it's going you know what i mean like it's not like a it's not like they started off sounding like fucking war zone and now they sound like jane's addiction like they sound like jane's addiction for five or six years it's not crazy they're a hardcore band that has a few ableton sounds going on yeah i just don't understand i i've seen just a lot of blowback on online being like that you know and it's like dude like they they put out it feels like to me they're a band that put out what they wanted to and the world happened to get in line with it and there's nothing you can really do about that you know negatively or positively yeah and and if you want

1:00:37Jason Stewart:if you want your era of old man hardcore to be succeeding go out there and buy the tickets so i mean like the biggest hardcore band other than you know classically of all time you could say gorilla biscuits maybe they're getting 10k guarantees to play shows so you can't why and uh

1:00:55Chris Black:turnstile's getting whatever 200k yeah turnstile i mean yeah turnstile is very popular and it's go vote with their dollar i would rather see i mean i would rather turnstile be popular than a lot of things i mean i did you see this um did you see that new york times is trying to do their own version of npr tiny desk no why not yeah and you know they launched with with fucking snoozer j brecky and it it's just it looks pretty good like from a you know from like a purely aesthetic standpoint but i i was just like this feels kind of crazy how obvious it is what you're trying to you know what i mean like adam friedland's doing it now too adam friedland's doing like in the studio like he had he had um what's his name on um that came on the podcast it was so funny cast mccombs yeah cast mccombs on like i guess if you in adam's situation you have like a studio and you like music like why not new york times obviously you have an office you have access why not but it just feels like the new york time specifically feels extremely crazy to do that

1:01:59Jason Stewart:yeah but this is this is what we have to do in order to make money in media right we have to make short form video clips that can be of course no of course and i i get that but i think that's what

1:02:10Chris Black:it is you're doing that with popcast and fucking young lean you know what i mean like that's good interesting stuff to what like i don't think we need k there's kexp that has already been doing it for fucking years there's npr that's been doing it for years you know there's bbc you know where they do the cover like i just don't know how many more we can do but because it's the new york times

1:02:30Jason Stewart:of course they get anyone to do it yeah it's been going on forever every radio station has done it but it's just been audio so now that it's easy to post video yeah but there's certain ones but

1:02:39Chris Black:what i'm saying is there's certain ones that have broken through you know not just like sure acl but like kexp like i can tell you what that studio looks like because i've watched so many of those because it's like if tiny desks were good you know like it's because it's not there's no like twee element of like you know employees in masks clapping to music they don't like yeah it's it

1:02:59Jason Stewart:really reminds me of when you know like the rise of the bedroom producer or the bedroom you know director all i need is my laptop yeah and i can make the next gram you know skrillex and a laptop he's getting a grammy and all these people are directing music videos with just i got my camera for Christmas from my mommy for and I'm 18 and I'm doing it all that has now moved from creating the art to now being like a media person like I can I can just create my next on the radar or the next boiler room or whatever and that's just another form of what you do in the creator economy you know yeah it's not like I want to be some people are like I want to be a host of the subway takes and some people are like i want to create something where bands will want to want me to make

1:03:49Chris Black:music videos for them i would love more bands playing the better in my opinion i guess i just mean you can't do the exact like there's got to be another way like you like like i haven't watched the cast mccones but i'm sure his take is like i'm sure he made it look cool and interesting and unique and to his style yeah where new york times it's literally at a fucking desk literally at a desk i'm like all right well you can't come on guys like let's we can do a little more than that live from the 10th floor the clip i saw she was sitting at a desk i mean she's insufferable so i you know everyone has to do it and everyone has to do it i mean at least it doesn't have all the i the tiny desk set with all the little tchotchkes and it being so cute kills me at least this looks

1:04:33Jason Stewart:professional yeah they really are just playing at a desk in a cubicle at the new york times it's

1:04:37Chris Black:crazy it's the same thing and i'm literally like new york times music content but what i'm saying is like that, what I referenced, the pop cast thing with Young Lean, I've seen that everywhere this week because it's good. You know, like you didn't need, there's no shtick. It's just like a good interview with a guy who's interesting who doesn't do a lot of interviews. That's what I want from the New York Times.

1:04:56Jason Stewart:Cream rise to the top. I agree, bro. Anyway, all right, how long gone? What we want doesn't matter.

1:05:02Chris Black:God, you're telling me. We will see you on Thursday live on YouTube. We will be interviewing all of the guests at the GQ Man of the Year Awards at the Chateau Marmont. And there'll be more info on that soon. I got my tux getting pulled out today, Chris. I actually went and got a tux yesterday at Sid Mashburn. I don't think I'm going to wear it for this, but I needed it for Matt's wedding. Just for life. It was a nice experience. I hadn't done that in a long time.

1:05:29Jason Stewart:I guess I'm going to see you in New York at a wedding this weekend.

1:05:34Chris Black:Yeah, well, I'm going to see you before that in LA.

1:05:37Jason Stewart:That's a very good point, bro. super good point i didn't say we needed to rank what's gonna happen yeah no you're right i we didn't need to go in general and uh good luck brian johnson the guy who's trying to live forever with by drinking his son's blood he's experimenting with uh mushrooms he's taking five grams today so good luck don't die brother wow is that a lot yeah it's all it's almost double uh a large it's Consider the God's dose. And maybe he has experience with it, but if it's your first time doing it, five grams is going to...

1:06:12Chris Black:It could be hitting you pretty hard. God bless. I always pray for him every night anyway, so that's fine. He could use a little bit of that spray tan

1:06:21Jason Stewart:from that SNL monologue, am I right?

1:06:24Chris Black:Yeah, dude. He looks alabaster. All right, howlonggone.com is the website. Thank you guys for listening, and we'll talk to you next week.

1:06:37Chris Black:In disguise as no one knows

1:06:41Jason Stewart:As the face lies the snake In the sun in my disgrace Boiling heat