869. - Shlohmo

8:35Jason Stewart:recorded when i was in florida really no joke it was like it was like they were scheduled at the

8:40Shlohmo:well maybe it was only once a week not twice but it was like once a week it would be like as soon as i sat down and push record these motherfuckers these gator motherfuckers would show up with their with their gas-powered blowers just breaking the glass.

8:53Jason Stewart:It's weird because noise-canceling technology, it's interesting what it blocks out and what it doesn't because so many Zoom call podcasts I've listened to over the years, you don't really hear any suburban noise spelled with a Z, of course. No leaf blowers, no things like that. But whenever I'm listening to my Dime Square transgressive pods, you hear the sirens, the New York City sounds, the horns, and things like that.

9:17Shlohmo:Zoom knows New York is a vibe, and they let that stuff sneak through.

9:23Jason Stewart:I would love a nice subway ad campaign with those precise words. Zoom knows that New York is a whole ass vibe.

9:32Shlohmo:It's a whole ass vibe. There's no question about that.

9:35Jason Stewart:Talking to our friend Daniel, physical therapy from our pod last week, he just sent me a message saying, I still drive a 2011 Prius and I did not get a check.

9:46Shlohmo:I mean, I'm going to guess that he is not the kind of guy who fills out paperwork. And I don't think you are either. Neither? Bro, he's more likely to fill out some shit than I am. I could see you catching a wild hair years ago. You know what I mean? I don't think you would do that today. But how are we spending the$350? Not to go backwards, but what are we spending? Did you buy a single bottle of Dom P?

10:10Jason Stewart:I had a beautiful meal at Muse in Santa Monica that was less free than I was hoping it to be. Oh, okay.

10:18Shlohmo:I'm sorry. I think I was confused about that when you mentioned that. Okay, that makes a little more sense. I was hoping for a nice bottle of Dom, but I guess if it's already spent, it's already spent. There's nothing we can do about that.

10:28Jason Stewart:No, the martinis were flow, and these things add up. Yeah, I know. They're not in the business of giving away free alcohol to white guys. You know what I mean? What's the point?

10:37Shlohmo:Well, I mean, no men should ever. I think that should be a rule. No men should receive free alcohol ever. No offense. Unless it's Fed Cup before 11.

10:46Jason Stewart:have you seen Twitter is introducing certified bangers, ranking the top posts based on their authentic engagement for each month, including verified impressions, likes, bookmarks, reposts, and replies.

10:58Shlohmo:So it's kind of like podcast charts or you're about to be podcasting with a goddamn platinum artist. Then we're about to go. We're about to go. I'm sorry. Is the,

11:06Jason Stewart:is the certified banger in the room with us right now?

11:09Shlohmo:Because I've deleted all the certified bangers. No, I don't, I don't, I don't unfortunately use Twitter like that anymore. I look at certified bangers, but I don't think that – I think that you have to have either a job where you have to do that all the time as either a content creator or like a news person, or you have to be an absolute loser. Those are the only two people that are allowed to go that crazy on Twitter.

11:35Jason Stewart:No. I mean, if I post a picture of my monkey, it gets a lot more likes than if I post like a scathing review of –

11:46Shlohmo:I did see a the new PTA film or something I did see that uh Terry post post Benito breakup posted the thirst trap today and I looked this motherfucker had 178 responses and I was like bro there's nothing I could post on Twitter that would get 178 positive responses nothing when you say response hold on one second guys let's finish the intro sorry okay well uh we

12:13Jason Stewart:we should talk to our guest now today our old friend henry shlomo he's a uh musician dj i've known him for a long time from la he's got a record that just came out recently repulse repulsor

12:30Shlohmo:which is a great word and i don't know if it's a real one or not but it's real it's giving uh

12:35Jason Stewart:depeche mode album title yes yes which is high praise of course but yeah it's a cool record we can talk about music even i listened to it and i liked it oh wow okay that's huge for the for edm artists that's rare okay let's give them a call

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16:46do you guys remember ja ja ja tequila of course no of course i don't it's fuck jerry isn't it

16:52Shlohmo:fuck jerry's tequila it is yeah oh now i'd want it henry said i'm back i was about to say i'm sure henry's seen some of those memes before man yeah i've seen some of those yeah ja ja it makes 818

17:03Jason Stewart:look like the uh the bottle of azul for 300 you know what i mean it's some bad shit is that 818

17:11Shlohmo:fine shit jason used to put that jason used to put that on our rider as a joke and then i'd always be like is it good and he'd be like no no no it's really not good i'm like then why do you keep

17:20Chris Black:doing this the worst one was the the travis scott the like mixed drink the cactus oh yeah he did

17:27Shlohmo:the cactus hard seltzer he he tried those were gone it's called cacti a week you were running

17:32Chris Black:through the cacti so bad and they were just sitting for a while and then i remember like Just the crates at CVS just one day gone.

17:40Shlohmo:Somebody came and picked those up. There were billboards all over LA for that too.

17:43Chris Black:I remember it being big. They definitely did not make, it didn't go in the green. There's no way.

17:49Shlohmo:I think when you're someone on Cactus Jack's level, you take big swings at this point. And if one of those swings is a hard seltzer, it doesn't work. And the next swing is Kanye West on stage doing 12 songs in Japan. Yep. That one seemed to work. You can't win them all.

18:05Chris Black:No matter how bad it is, I'm going to buy some$40 Yeezy pants. Sucks, but I'm going to do it. It sucks. Really?

18:12Jason Stewart:Especially as a member of the Jewish faith, you're crossing the picket line.

18:17Chris Black:Yeah, I crossed.

18:18Shlohmo:I'm a scab. You're a scab. We're going to put a big blow-up rat outside of your apartment.

18:24Jason Stewart:I was actually looking at some Yeezy desert boot shoes on the RealReal yesterday. Saw them in my size for the low, and I was like, damn, I might need to.

18:32Chris Black:Let me tell you, they were good. They were good. They were good. I have one. Okay. They're good.

18:38Shlohmo:I want to know which NBA player had his assistant clean out his closet so Jason could get the Yeezy Desert Boots for 40 on the real real.

18:45Chris Black:It was Russell, and he wore them with a little pair of little shorts.

18:49Jason Stewart:It was Russ and his little shorts.

18:50Chris Black:I just love the whole thing.

18:53Shlohmo:The whole thing where he gets the rabbi, he apologizes.

18:57Chris Black:Oh, that rabbi video was gold.

18:59Shlohmo:That rabbi has done this before with another celebrity.

19:02Chris Black:I remember that. Yeah. Who was it? It's probably like Chris Pratt or something.

19:08Shlohmo:He's the go-to celebrity rabbi. I'm sorry. And I kind of want to build with him. I just want to see kind of what's up.

19:14Chris Black:Chris Pratt was like, I'm sorry for having a Labrador. Yeah, I don't know.

19:20Jason Stewart:Sorry for having a Labrador. Is that a euphemism for something or just the literal act of owning a Labrador?

19:25Chris Black:No, I think because everyone thinks he's like, you know, like a Republican or something. I don't think they think that.

19:33Shlohmo:I think he's at church with the family. And if you're going to church twice a week, you're a Republican. Then he has a Labrador. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's part of the package.

19:42Jason Stewart:I have a feeling the lab's not black. Let's just say that. You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying.

19:46Chris Black:And there's maybe two of them, and one's called Lucky.

19:52Shlohmo:Wait, hold on. I didn't know there were labs that weren't black. Excuse my ignorance as a non-dog owner. Wow, you said, I don't see color. You could get a white lab?

20:01Jason Stewart:Yeah. They got chocolate lab, black lab, yellow lab, yellow bone, white bone. I didn't know there was a yellow bone lab, but I did know black and chocolate.

20:12Shlohmo:I have not seen the white varietal. I feel like the chocolate's a red bone at heart.

20:18Chris Black:Could be.

20:19Shlohmo:I feel like I must be going to the wrong dog parks, bro. I don't see this shit. First of all, I don't see color.

20:24Chris Black:I feel like yellow lab is the most stocked dog. It's like what they come from the factory as before they make them.

20:31Shlohmo:Yellow, yes. White is different than yellow. We know that.

20:35Jason Stewart:Chris, it's a spectrum. It's a spectrum. I'm sorry.

20:37Shlohmo:I've never had a dog, and I hate them, so I'm not that super up on dog stuff.

20:43Chris Black:Interesting. I have three. What?

20:45Shlohmo:What do you have three? Your house must stink, bro. How often is the cleaning lady coming? Yeah, it does. It sucks. Yeah, it's not good. Luckily, you just wear hoodies and shit, so you don't have to do a lot of dry cleaning. Who do you live with?

20:56Chris Black:This is covered in shit. My girlfriend. Okay. Yeah, it's Dog City over here. Let me ask you a question.

21:03Shlohmo:Who brought the dogs into the relationship, or did you get them together?

21:07Chris Black:Here's one right here. He's dope. He's dope.

21:11Shlohmo:All right, little motherfucker. You let that little motherfucker on the couch? Okay. He'll fit in your little bottega, too. I see what you're trying to do there. Yeah, he's getting a little bag. Bag boy. What's that dog's name? What's that small little guy?

21:26Chris Black:He's Bodie. This is Bodie.

21:28Shlohmo:That was obviously launched before the brand.

21:30Chris Black:actually no i spelled it differently and i didn't know that that was how you pronounce that brand

21:36Shlohmo:so you never said out loud so you named your dog after the brand but you didn't i'd never heard

21:41Chris Black:anyone say it out loud i said it out loud i was like bowed yeah the fuck i'm not going in there yeah that's not really your swag i don't think that's not for me yeah all right so you brought

21:51Shlohmo:one dog and your chick brought one dog and then maybe you got one together is that exactly precise What did you need the third for? COVID. Was it a COVID dog?

21:59Jason Stewart:Number three, a COVID dog? Not even.

22:00Chris Black:Not even. We just fucked up. Okay.

22:03Jason Stewart:I'll take the L on that one.

22:05Chris Black:Did you? Yeah. Did you take the L?

22:07Shlohmo:Did you go to the shelter and she started getting all cute with one and you had to be like, all right, throw it in the range?

22:13Chris Black:My sister just sent me a little rescue link and I was like, that dog's really cute and the rest is history.

22:20Shlohmo:See, I'm able to think a dog is cute, but when you got to press add to cart, I don't I can't do it. That's where the line gets drawn.

22:28Chris Black:No, I acquired same day. I don't know why. It just happened.

22:34Shlohmo:So how much of your day is spent? What is the time split between making music and walking dogs? Because at this point, it feels like it must be 50-50.

22:43Chris Black:So much dog. Is this something you find great joy in? Yes, it's both. It's like when people talk about kids. Now that I have three dogs, I'm like, this is almost like a quarter kid.

22:56Jason Stewart:No, no, no. It's more than a quarter of a kid. I think three dogs. It is.

23:00Chris Black:I didn't want to make the jump, but I think it is more.

23:03Jason Stewart:Let me do that jumping for you.

23:05Chris Black:Okay. Thank you.

23:05Shlohmo:Jason loves to jump. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. How do you, because this is what fascinates me most about dogs. And this is Jason. I've talked to this many times. How do you justify as a human being with a successful career, picking up shit with your hand? because that is something i know you have a bag i know there's all the tools but it seems we're

23:26Chris Black:better than that keeps me grounded keeps me level oh so you are you're saying i'm too popping

23:31Shlohmo:picking up some chris pratt shit it keeps you grounded exactly if chris pratt can do it for his

23:37Chris Black:theoretical labrador that i don't know exist see that's funny my faith my faith my faith

23:42Shlohmo:keeps me grounded but you guys need shit for that i see what i got both okay i got it i got it faith

23:47Jason Stewart:in shit okay when you uh when you and bae go out of town what's up with the dog sitting do you bring them with do you give them to your sister take them can't bring three dogs can't bring three

24:00Chris Black:dogs anywhere can't even do it to like the store i don't know this is it's become this is a whole thing um no the budget has just like increased so like anytime i anytime i go play a show it's like I'm like, oh, well, there's this other budget I have to.

24:17Shlohmo:Yeah, sure. Something I think about all the time. Dude, you guys are, it's just crazy to me. I literally am fascinated by it because it just seems like a choice that no one makes consciously. And then all of a sudden it's like, this is my entire life.

24:30Chris Black:Yeah, totally. That is exactly what happened. And it is an absolute pain and a chore.

24:35Shlohmo:So you're saying, you're saying you're like, all right, so we got back line. I had to buy all these. I had to buy all this stuff. We got the smoke machine. We got the scrim. I can't be sitting in the main cabin. You know what I'm saying? You're in Delta 1 to Brussels, and then you also got 800 put aside for the dog sitter while daddy's out earning money. Yeah, we're barely. And you're just like, this is part of my life. Yep, we're barely out the red here. Okay. Sure, sure.

24:59Jason Stewart:No, I get it. I appreciate your honesty. It's brave.

25:01Chris Black:No, no, that's what it is.

25:03Jason Stewart:And you can't kill the dog. You'll go to jail. Can't eat him.

25:05Chris Black:Well, it's like you don't want to. You're stuck. You're just totally trapped.

25:11Shlohmo:All right, so to be clear, You're continuing your bravery by saying you don't want to kill your own dogs. That's nice. Yes. I'm so brave. Do you have a stew? Is the stew in the house or are you leaving the house to go create?

25:24Chris Black:I have never. We did our old label thing. We had a group studio at one point. I bet a lot of work got done in there. Actually, it did.

25:37Shlohmo:Weirdly, it did. Work isn't smoking weed. You're saying music actually got made in there?

25:41Chris Black:Yes. Yes. Wow. The most functional weed people you'll ever meet. No, that's not true.

25:48Shlohmo:I feel like the crew ballooned at one point.

25:50Chris Black:There had to be some fat you needed to trim there. Oh, sure. I mean, that place was... I mean, I lived there for a while. It was not good.

26:00Jason Stewart:It was over on Melrose, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like a one, two-bedroom house and you guys just converted to the office, studio, smoke spot kind of thing.

26:09Shlohmo:It was beautiful and disgusting. For those of us who listen to music with guitars, who was the core of the We Did It collective? You? Sure.

26:20Chris Black:I don't know. Yeah. Well, it was kind of like it was a group, so I don't know if there was a core, but I guess it was founded by me and my friend Nick, who Jason also knows. I know Nick as well.

26:35Shlohmo:I know Nick as well. Oh, you know Nick. Okay. Yeah. I just wasn't sure if this was sort of - Recently married. If there was like - Congratulations to him. If there was a lot of sort of posers out there, like did you give out Leatherman jackets to kind of signify chains?

26:48Chris Black:What's funny is we did make some at a certain point. And we did make chains also. So you hit the nail on the head with both of those.

26:58Shlohmo:But did everybody get, like did the weed carrier get one or was it only the real squad squad? Everyone was a weed carrier.

27:09Jason Stewart:okay so very very democratic across the board everyone is a core member everyone is also a

27:15Chris Black:weed carrier we did a fader interview one time and we decided to bring the drug dealer along as the so we got to add color we all got photographed at master burger we were like we're we you need

27:30Jason Stewart:to take us to master burger i don't know what master burger is i don't either that's a shame

27:38Chris Black:I think it's still there just one of the OG spots they can put a little pastrami on a burger if you want, you know, like old LA oh, I'm looking at it

27:48Shlohmo:okay, so you guys went to Master Burger with Jason Nesito or whoever was shooting you for the fader and you brought along your drug dealer, and now I don't want to obviously I don't want to blow up anybody's spot but I imagine he was moving a little more than weed if he's getting in the photos

28:03Chris Black:Well, he was so nice. Right.

28:08Jason Stewart:Okay. So is Master Burger, that feels like USC territory?

28:14Chris Black:Yeah, it's a little like mid...

28:16Jason Stewart:What are you guys doing on Western and 48th Street is what I want to know.

28:22Chris Black:We used to frequent Slauson a lot. The swap meet was kind of like a little we did it hub for a while where we would get all of our shit made.

28:32Shlohmo:Yeah.

28:32Chris Black:now you can just like go to like i get it all in china squid or what yeah or like whatever there's

28:38Jason Stewart:like places like ink squid i go to ink squid i go to red bubble yeah you just go on anywhere

28:44Chris Black:none of this stuff none of that existed even like printers and shit because you guys were making a lot of merchandise highly coveted if i remember correctly yeah it was i thank you i guess um yeah we were just we were just making a lot of shit and and um a lot of it was just via the swap meet so you're saying the embroidery guy okay so you're saying you would take your your

29:05Shlohmo:blanks down to the embroidery guy at this at the swap meet and go absolutely fucking crazy to get

29:10Jason Stewart:an authentic urban edge and i think that's dope to do that well it was the only place i knew of to get shit made i didn't even know i went i went there maybe like a year ago just to check it's different it's different but like i was equally blown away i think the last time i went like a year ago i remember like eating an edible before just be like see what's going on yeah and it was it was i saw some of the sickest shit i've ever seen about i remember seeing one there's a it's a like a 3xl purple shirt and it had two hands with handcuffs breaking free were they mickey glove hands it was sort of mickey glove handsy but in giant letters it said free my grandma

29:56Chris Black:free her man till it's backwards they make till it's backwards they make a shirt for everything

30:02Shlohmo:at the sloss and swat was it an airbrush or was it just like a no screen print screen print but what is the is the pricing at the swap meet pretty good or do they do they hit you with the white boy

30:12Chris Black:tax the prices have gone up it's gone up it it used to be just like the sickest oh fuck that's it it's an orange shirt not a purple shirt that's beautiful my grandma it used to be exclusively shit like that and like fake iceberg like looney tunes like the good shit you know and then yeah the good shit the good shit you know what i'm saying and then uh i think like 2013 rolled around and like taiga was wearing all that like weird fake versace brand and then it and then And it all became like sublimate printed like pharaohs, which I was still down with. I'm like, this is sick.

30:56Shlohmo:All right. So you're saying that whatever the swap meat was serving, you were sort of eating. You were happy with it.

31:04Jason Stewart:But then Tiger came through with his Rack City money and fucked the game up is what you're saying. Start putting a pharaoh on everything.

31:11Chris Black:We left no crumbs for a while.

31:14Shlohmo:I feel like Henry, I feel like he's maybe spent some time with Tyga. Is that crazy for me to think? No, one of the guys I have not.

31:23Chris Black:I would have loved to.

31:25Shlohmo:We all would. Tyga and Ray J, to me, are in the same. And Soulja Boy, that's the goaded trio that can do anything, and I'm down with it.

31:36Chris Black:Dream blunt rotation, to be honest.

31:39Shlohmo:Actually dream blunt rotation. They have these similar sort of fuck it attitudes. I think that's why I grouped them together. Yeah.

31:46Chris Black:Ray J is like -

31:47Shlohmo:Well, they're all entrepreneurs.

31:48Chris Black:That's right. The deepest troll. I love him.

31:51Shlohmo:No, he's unbelievable. I'm a big fan of Love and Hip Hop, one of the greatest series to ever exist. And Ray J's run on that is Hall of Fame level. I mean, he's kind of the guy I think of now when I think of the series.

32:04Chris Black:Do you remember Soldier Boy's short stint in the Atlanta version? Of course. Of course. Yeah. Of course. There's just this one quote that I'll always remember. I forget who his girl was at the time. Might have been, I don't even know. She was like, they were moving in together and he was like building a man cave. Soldier cave. Soldier cave. And she was like, what do you need a man cave for? And he looked at her like the most like, what the fuck are you even talking? And he was like, to smoke.

32:37Jason Stewart:You dumb bitch.

32:38Chris Black:And looked at her like so confused. like what are you fucking even asking

32:42Jason Stewart:she's like you have a supreme store in your kitchen and your living room is every video game ever made what do you need a man she's like you can smoke in one of the 15

32:50Shlohmo:bedrooms in suburban Atlanta that you bought the whole

32:54Chris Black:kid robot store

32:59Shlohmo:like you're good

33:00Jason Stewart:bro it's fine that's just that's a bedroom it can be whatever you want to see whatever we tease but we all wish that our brain worked like that we'd be in a different place in this life

33:10Shlohmo:It'd be a blessing. Now, do you guys think Soldier... Who do you think's got the most bread? Well, Tiger's got the most bread out of those three, but who's got the most bread between Ray J and Soldier? I don't want to be a pocket checker. I don't know. That's a good question.

33:22Jason Stewart:I think Ray J has more money.

33:24Shlohmo:Really? So you think Raycon sold more than the Soldier Boy Game Boy?

33:28Jason Stewart:Yeah, because Raycon is a legitimate business that has spent millions and millions of dollars on podcast. We've done Ray J ads ourselves. Proudly. I've purchased a Soldier Boy. I purchased a soldier watch knowing full well that it'll never arrive. I gave him$39, and I was like, that's it.

33:47Chris Black:Yeah, I did the same thing for the first soldier game con. Did it show up to the crib? No, no, no.

33:54Shlohmo:But I have to say, guys, I have to say, this business model of taking money and never using it to produce anything could make you rich if you get away with it for long enough.

34:03Chris Black:Yeah. He's done a couple of them.

34:05Shlohmo:I think he does one a week, and it still finds victims.

34:08Chris Black:There's a new, he's like doing like a, you know, like the friend AI fucking thing. He's like making one.

34:18Shlohmo:That's so hard to do. That's like so technologically advanced. I can't imagine what a step down from one of those things would be.

34:28Chris Black:Like what that is.

34:29Shlohmo:I want to know what the soldier twist is. Because if it's his voice, that's pretty good.

34:33Chris Black:Well, the thing is with all the other shit, there was no twist. they're not even branded he's a drop shipper for Alibaba

34:42Jason Stewart:I would rather give him my money he's the Bernie Madoff of the streets exactly

34:47Chris Black:and I want to see him win

34:51Shlohmo:does Solja live in LA or does he live in Atlanta

34:54Chris Black:he's global he's global dude come on

34:56Shlohmo:I'm sorry I didn't mean to he's got to go to China to check on the factories make sure everything's getting out on time

35:02Chris Black:he's got a guy for that he's doing it yeah i'm sorry soldier boy walking around a factory with his hands behind his back like inspecting secretly john cena can speak like fluent cantonese and mandarin he's like going

35:16Jason Stewart:to all the factories uh okay well you you were talking before about every time you go and play a show you got to get the the dog sitter and the and the this that and the other thing yeah how Do you miss when we were all playing an EDM festival seemingly once a month somewhere in Denver or New Hampshire?

35:42Chris Black:Man, it's so funny being where I am now and just having seen that whole shit kind of collapse in on itself. I don't know if you listen to my other albums. I've never really made EDM. No, not at all.

35:57Jason Stewart:Not at all.

35:58Chris Black:Never. You're lost, but we don't need to talk about it. No shame in this.

36:03Jason Stewart:It's some beautiful music to smoke to and ride to. There's your impressive work with Jeremiah. Beasters. Yeah, yeah. But it's not necessarily you and Tiesto up there making the same kind of shit.

36:15Chris Black:Well, yeah, everyone will be bummed when I play those things. So it's like, clearly I'm not meant for this. You're like, I'll take this check, but I'm going to upset the audience. It was always one of those things I felt like Europe was so far ahead back then. And it was like, oh, they have like culture for electronic music that isn't this.

36:33Jason Stewart:I can't wait till I go play Primavera instead of the Hard Festival because they're going to get it.

36:38Chris Black:I would say no to Hard Fest like every year. I was like, no, I can't. And then I realized like this is American culture. This is what we do here. This is it, brother. This is what we do here.

36:49Shlohmo:So when you would play something like Hard Festival, would you do your best or would you just play your shit and let them hate from outside the club?

36:56Chris Black:I said no. until 2019 and then i did it one time and i played guitar i did full like rock shit set and people

37:06Jason Stewart:were bummed and it was awesome they weren't into the slow dive set at hard festival all right all right mcgee calm down let's not

37:17Shlohmo:shit no you're the proto but you're the proto i know you're the og but i think that's a testament

37:22Jason Stewart:into how cool you guys are and how much of like a mysterious draw where it's like we want these guys so bad even though the music that they're making has no place here it's just like i want to hang out these guys i want to you know get them in the mix i want them to be backstage i want to own their friendship and pay for it kind of you know there was some of this yeah

37:47Chris Black:There was some of that at that fucking FYF festival, rest in peace.

37:52Shlohmo:I didn't know you put out any EPs with Berger Records. That's interesting. I thought you had your own label, but I guess, okay.

37:59Jason Stewart:Hey, FYF was different at the beginning, though.

38:01Chris Black:You know what's funny is we actually did tapes with Berger, so you're not even making jokes here. This is just my life, dude. We know how to make white label 12 inches,

38:13Shlohmo:but we're going to outsource the tape making to those nerds over at burger.

38:17Chris Black:We had nothing ourselves. We didn't make anything. It was like everything was whoever could help us. We were just stoned. All right.

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40:05Jason Stewart:After your purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and let them know we sent you. You're stoned and people send you an email and you're like, all right. It was technically a record label, so somebody had to do something.

40:19Chris Black:Yeah, I mean, we were like getting what we would do, like tape collabs with them. We would get our vinyl made through whoever could make it the cheapest and then find a distributor.

40:30Shlohmo:So you didn't have an in-house distributor that you poached from Universal Music Group?

40:34Chris Black:No, we didn't even have, like, we would ship stuff ourselves until it was too much. So there was no radio department or anything like that. Okay, got it. The whole thing was just me and Nick. It was nothing.

40:47Shlohmo:That's pretty funny because I do feel like as a, you know, that was not my world necessarily, but it was very adjacent to my own world. And I do remember thinking, whatever this is feels cool, but I don't know where my inn is. you know and that's a powerful place to be i think that's cool i think i didn't know i do too i do too because i think i think when you make something feel that good from far away and people don't even know why they like it that means that you you you kind of have them wrapped around your finger before they press play or or you know whatever buy something i'll take it yeah i'll take it it's part of being an it girl that's true and i guess the rappers notice which is always funny yeah i never thought i would be an it girl but well it's over now just to be clear you had your moment yeah

41:30Chris Black:Oh, yeah. It's been over for a while. We're very clear on this. We're very clear. We're very clear.

41:36Shlohmo:Well, you guys stopped doing it just because you felt like it was over?

41:40Chris Black:No, I mean, it's not. The door isn't closed. It's just like we grow up and have less time to smoke weed together. Sure, sure.

41:50Shlohmo:The project is alive, but we're less high, so we can't contribute as much time to it.

41:54Chris Black:Some of us are less high, yeah.

41:56Shlohmo:I'm not speaking for everybody, but some of us.

41:58Chris Black:Yeah, I can't speak for us all. I can't speak for myself

42:01Jason Stewart:I feel like when we first met I was smoking zero weed and you were probably enjoying a good amount of it copious and now I'm smoking a lot more and I feel like you might be smoking a little bit less is that fair to say?

42:19Chris Black:I actually can't I had a lung collapse a couple years ago very hairy experience what does that how does that happen like why does that happen they literally it's called a spontaneous pneumothorax so it literally means like a random lung collapse in Latin

42:42Jason Stewart:so like a one oh tricks point never EP yeah okay so you're

42:47Shlohmo:and what does that

42:48Jason Stewart:so it was a freak accident totally

42:50Shlohmo:what does that feel like if you could describe it

42:53Chris Black:when it happens it feels like just someone like kicked you in the back or some shit and you're like what the fuck it's like weird you're like why did it feel like someone kicked me in the back and it's like not apparent what's wrong you feel like you got one lung feels like you got one lung yeah but did you thug it out for a little while before you like went to cedars like a couple hours i was like i'm straight we're good and then and and my girlfriend was like you sound bad like your voice sounds different like and i was like it's fine like um And I'm glad we went, because I guess if you don't treat it, you can die.

43:34Chris Black:Right, right, right.

43:35Shlohmo:I was going to imagine there was some bad things that would happen if it goes untreated.

43:39Chris Black:Well, the thing is that it's more the pressure. So, like, they don't just collapse. What happens is, like, a part of it will pop, and air fills your, like, chest cavity. So what happens is it can press on your heart, and your heart will just go, bye.

43:55Shlohmo:so so was this was so you go to the emergency room are you laid up for a while and then it's

44:01Chris Black:like long recovery period or is it relatively it sucks so they like immediately are like oh yeah it's collapsed and then they just they flip you on your side and they just stick a tube through your rib cage and get air to release the pressure or release the air okay okay And then that stays in there for two days.

44:23Jason Stewart:And the tube goes into your rib cage. Just we cut a hole through your body.

44:27Chris Black:Yep, just a little hole.

44:28Jason Stewart:And then you go, boo.

44:30Chris Black:It's fried, dude. You feel it like scraping around in your lungs. Surgery is fried.

44:37Shlohmo:I couldn't agree more.

44:38Chris Black:This wasn't even surgery. You're just awake.

44:40Shlohmo:You're awake? They don't give you a little something?

44:42Chris Black:No, no, no, no.

44:43Shlohmo:Luckily, you were high anyway, but still, that's like.

44:46Chris Black:I was like, can I please have Xanax or something? And then, yeah, so they do that for like two days, and then they try and pull it out once your lung has re-expanded. But when they pulled it out, it popped again. So then another couple days, they had to put in another one, and then once it pops twice, they're like, so we kind of got to do this surgery. And the surgery is more fried. they cut out a little piece of your lung and then they literally sandblast the inside of your lung cavity with talcum powder I didn't know talcum powder went inside like that neither did I and so now I have a bunch and it chafes up your shit on the inside okay it it scratches up the inside of your shit and and fuses your lung to the inside of your chest cavity so that it can't oh okay okay okay so it's like double-sided tape on the inside of your body to keep it in there exactly the little gift tape wow but the thing was when i woke up they had not given me any of the painkillers um so i woke up in this like it was like a reddit like nightmare experience like the things that you read about that you're like wow all right i can't i can't believe that's real and you're like thank god that will never happen to me

46:26Shlohmo:i'm sure you weren't concerned with this at the time but did they give you any reasoning as to why they hadn't given you anything? Oh, no.

46:34Chris Black:They said you're on it. You're on it right now. It was supposed to be Fetty, bro. They were going to give me fentanyl, right? Hell, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was on Delouded for a week before that, and I was like, sure.

46:46Jason Stewart:Don't sleep on Lil D. Lil D goes to dumb dumb. Lil D will get you right. Lil D will get you right.

46:50Chris Black:Do not sleep on Lil D. It ain't the big D, but it's Lil D. The big D being Demerol. um lil d was fine but so i woke up they're supposed to give me real real drugs and um because it's fucked up the surgery's fucked up they hit you with a tylenol four bro no they didn't hit me with nothing because they said you're maxed out you're maxed out on paint the the feddy was everything that's it and i couldn't speak like my eyes are rolling back type shit i'm sweating through the bed white type shit. They wouldn't release me from the room because clearly something's fucked up. They were holding me in there for hours and then finally they send me out to my girl and my family and they're like, what the fuck is wrong with him?

47:41Jason Stewart:It don't look like y 'all are done with this whole

47:44Chris Black:procedure yet. I don't think y 'all fixed our boy.

47:47Shlohmo:Go back in there and finish the job. I missed a step.

47:51Chris Black:Missed something. And they were just like, no, we can't give you anything. All we can do is Benadryl.

47:59Jason Stewart:Whoa.

48:00Chris Black:The extra fucked up thing was it was the last surgery of the night. So they're like, oh, the pain team's gone. Your doctor's gone. Everyone's gone. We can't really do anything until 8 a.m. tomorrow. And I was like. Guess I'll die. Yeah, guess I'm going to die here. I like the pain team. That sounds like something I'd like to be a part of. You wouldn't. They're a really sick bunch of individuals.

48:25Shlohmo:Well, I guess who makes the decision on when the patient is maxed? That feels like the boss has to be like.

48:31Chris Black:So if you're on whatever the amount of fentanyl that you're supposed to be from the surgery, that is, you know, they can't give you like any more deluded or whatever after that.

48:41Jason Stewart:So you're saying that they incorrectly documented that you were already full of fentanyl, so we're not going to give them anything else? Or were you on fentanyl and it wasn't doing it?

48:52Chris Black:I know what that's supposed to feel like.

48:54Shlohmo:Oh, okay, big dog. Don't stunt on this Tom Petty with the patch.

48:57Chris Black:No, no, no, no. I know what drugs feel like. Damn straight.

49:01Shlohmo:Welcome home, brother.

49:02Chris Black:Damn fucking straight. And that was not that. I know what drugs feel like. Very cool. Yeah, very cool, dude. I didn't do homework where I'm from. This is a thing. And I was reading about it afterwards. Nurses get caught stealing the fentanyl a lot. Yeah. And replacing it with saline or whatever the fuck. And so I'm pretty sure this is what happened because, bro, this was not right. This was not correct.

49:34Jason Stewart:Bro, let's make a podcast about this.

49:36Shlohmo:We're going to find this bitch. Well, it could have been a guy.

49:39Chris Black:it could have been a guy could have been a dude so the the pain team like main guy who was like my anesthesiologist you never think about who they're gonna be like before they get there and this guy came in he was like buff as shit with like with a dyed goatee like black what up king you guys ready to get sedated he was like hey yeah literally the the buff typing king he was

50:04Jason Stewart:like that vibe and i was like he was chadesthesiologist yes okay could have been him could

50:10Shlohmo:have been him so i don't trust so did you finally after uh the worst night of your life did they hit did they give you a bump the next morning i mean yeah they gave me a fucking like five

50:20Chris Black:milligram oxy or something that you know child's dose little baby dose and then they had uh social services and all these like teams come in being like what happened what was wrong and i'm like Who gives a shit at this point? What am I going to sue Cedars? It's not going to happen. How long did this take you out for? I was in the hospital for two weeks. Yeah, it was a bummer. Could you eat and shit or was it

50:49Shlohmo:bad news? You were just sort of laying there.

50:52Chris Black:I was pretty much just laying there.

50:53Jason Stewart:The homies can pull up with the matzo ball soup or something like that.

50:58Chris Black:A couple of homies pulled up. A couple of homies pulled up. Jack and Nick brought me some balloons. got a minion balloon in there um how you feeling don't talk but we brought you a minion balloon don't get too excited but um no i was like feeling good during the day because i was on drugs but

51:15Shlohmo:then um but did you make a did you make through the wire why did you bring the mpc like okay i

51:21Chris Black:was like barely i you know what's funny is i was remembering like i don't even think i looked at my phone i think i was just like stealing yeah the light the little light in the corner you're

51:33Jason Stewart:watching beat bobby flay for 18 hours a day yeah i think i was just like whatever yeah literally

51:39Chris Black:whatever movie was on i don't think i was even intaking so you were in the hospital for two

51:44Shlohmo:weeks but from from initial pain to i'm back feeling good i can jog what are we looking at

51:52Chris Black:Oh, probably like another two months after that. Okay.

51:56Jason Stewart:But the biggest adjustment seems like we had to put down...

51:59Chris Black:Put down the ganja for a little bit. The penjamin had to go on the charger. Yeah.

52:04Jason Stewart:Eddies are okay?

52:06Chris Black:Eddies are straight. I was doing... Yeah, the eddies have been straight. What about Marlboro Lights? No, unfortunately, no burning things.

52:14Shlohmo:But what do they say to you? They're like, don't do this. It'd be bad. Or they're like, chief, you really can't do this.

52:20Chris Black:It wasn't even really either because it's random when it happens. It happens to people that don't smoke. It's usually because of an underlying genetic thing, which is like Marfan. So you're saying your dad was on the backwoods then. Yep. Dad was on woods. Only chocolate out backwoods.

52:40Jason Stewart:Only Thai stick. But even though it can happen to a non-smoker, once you go through all of that, you're really scared. I'm sure the worst thing you could do for a collapsed lung is smoke a bunch.

52:53Chris Black:That and the doctor went in there. I've been smoking so much for a long time. The doctor was like, yo, that shit looked bad in there.

53:04Jason Stewart:While I was in there saving your life, you're like, sorry, doc.

53:07Shlohmo:I didn't know you were a pussy.

53:09Chris Black:I was able to scrape the bottom of your lung. I didn't know you were a fucking narc.

53:11Shlohmo:He was scraping the lung like it was a bowl.

53:14Chris Black:He was trying to get the resin out. Exactly, dude. He was trying to hit the little resi. No, it was totally unrelated. He was like, to my family, he's like, yo, his lungs are fucked up. Don't let him smoke anymore. Now my mom's all freaked out.

53:28Shlohmo:But your mom and dad must have known, based on your persona and output, that you were a smoker. Oh, yeah.

53:34Jason Stewart:You would take a little cousin walk on Thanksgiving. You're not new to this.

53:38Chris Black:You're true to this. Pops is a stoner as well.

53:40Jason Stewart:Oh, Pops smokes.

53:42Chris Black:Yeah, I wasn't even kidding. It runs in the family.

53:45Jason Stewart:Okay. Wow. Okay, so how do you like your new life as an edibles-only guy? What's your milligram dosage? Let's get into it.

53:53Chris Black:It sucks. Edibles are the worst.

53:57Shlohmo:See, that's what I know a real smoker, because real smokers are like, I want to hit the backwards. I want to hit the swisher. I want to hit the joint. I don't want to eat a little cute gummy from a child.

54:07Chris Black:There's no amount that's fine. You know, it's like it's child stuff. Yeah, good or bad. It's bad.

54:14Shlohmo:usually it's like you're saying you could you could take it and you feel nothing or you take

54:17Chris Black:it you feel too much yeah it's like you know you take one nothing two nothing three i can't tell four i'm panicking yeah you know usually there you're still finding a way to take them finding a way yeah you're pushing through and i'm proud of you life persists did you have still better

54:35Shlohmo:than being sober did you have i saw the white light like i thought this was it uh moment no

54:42Chris Black:but I had a moment where I was like, please no more. Let me die here. You're saying the pain.

54:47Shlohmo:You're saying the pain. You're like, all right, if this is it, that's fine.

54:50Chris Black:It's got to stop. If they could do that to people, like that would, I would tell anything. I would say. Okay.

54:58Shlohmo:So you're saying you are, you're saying this is your waterboarding.

55:01Chris Black:This is your Gitmo. It was. Yeah. I would have rather done a lot of Gitmo stuff.

55:05Jason Stewart:I get tortured now.

55:06Chris Black:I would have rather done the Gitmo stuff. Okay.

55:09Jason Stewart:Okay, well then did you take all of this pain and turn it into an album or are the two things unrelated?

55:18Chris Black:Kind of unrelated because I feel like, I mean, well, in a way, if anything, the only thing I really took from it was like everything is nothing and I can, like, what am I trying to do here and what do I actually want? Like this could all be over tomorrow type shit for real.

55:35Jason Stewart:Elliot Smith asked. Yeah. Mindset.

55:38Chris Black:miss misery over here yeah exactly um you know just just like why would i want to do anything and like why do i want to make this album like what that's why and that's why i call jack from

55:51Shlohmo:salem get his hot ass in the studio and say if i'm gonna die i want to be with this bisexual king i

55:57Chris Black:want to make some hits my bisex king dude um yeah we had actually been working on shit beforehand so that wasn't a reaction um to find shit um you're like i didn't have to go i didn't have

56:11Shlohmo:to go to the state prison in nebraska to make this song county we were we were kind of we were good we i had the files already i mean no i think that's a pretty crazy i mean i think that you have a pretty good perspective on it but that's a pretty gnarly thing to happen especially out of

56:29Chris Black:nowhere like you said there were no symptoms you know yeah it sucked it sucked um yeah it's just been like kind of acclimating to life is not having a joint in my hand has been the most difficult

56:41Shlohmo:thing was it hard to make was it hard to make music like without just just like mentally yeah

56:47Chris Black:totally um i think for me my music has always come from a very like trancic type place where i'm like forget everything that exists and like you know um try and make new ideas i think my my music is mainly about like for myself when i'm making it is like experiment but i feel like stew pickles like fiddling in my i'm trying to invent something you know i'm saying like i'm not i'm not stoked on like i listen to a lot of music that is just like songwriting like a dude and a guitar or nothing else but like for me i feel like the only thing i have to add to that kind of canonical conversation is like a new sound like something some different if i was just a dude playing guitar i would be like this dude does it better than me i'm not trying to do that i'm sure you know so that always went kind of hand in hand with either weed or whatever just kind of being in

57:45Jason Stewart:this more open galaxy brain an altered state an altered state an altered state you might say yeah do you do you think that that was weird wanted to have you know a truly new original sound is that just to please and and appeal to your own brain and your own standards or it wasn't because you needed to have like i'm the guy who invented this i'm the guy who invented this i think people

58:11Chris Black:would be really stoked if i didn't uh make new things i think every time henry can you just make a song well every time i make anything people are like why isn't it the last thing you made make it again i'm that kind of person i'm always like oh did you really need to push yourself

58:29Shlohmo:because i kind of liked it when you were doing the other stuff well i mean what's fucked up as

58:33Chris Black:a fan is i think we all are is like i listen to you know we connect with something on a you know youthful level and then everything that we're looking for is kind of based in this big nostalgia brain about when when and how we first found it yeah i mean when we were just

58:51Jason Stewart:talking about how your album sounds like a depeche mode album we we don't want to hear the 2025 depeche mode song we want to hear the 1989 depeche mode song exactly though we love and respect and exactly go to every show deep down that's what they all want we can't help it

59:08Chris Black:as fans of stuff.

59:10Jason Stewart:As a fan of stuff, every time you go see Morrissey play, you want him to do a bunch of Smith songs. You don't want him to do the song he wrote in 2019.

59:19Chris Black:I want him to do Meet His Murder. I don't, yeah, I'm not looking for that.

59:22Shlohmo:Look, it ended at You Are the Quarry and everything after that we don't want to hear. That's where he had the tummy gun.

59:27Jason Stewart:It was good. Good cover.

59:29Shlohmo:Great cover. Irish blood, English heart goes off. At the Morrissey show, actually. But yes, I, I think we talked about it It may be with Jarvis Cocker, but that album was good. The Pulp, the Return album was actually good, and no one— It's very rare when it happens. I can't think of anyone else that has been able to do that.

59:50Chris Black:It happens. It does happen. Weirdly, I mean, not really like a comeback, but Kim Gordon's new shit.

59:58Jason Stewart:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good.

59:59Chris Black:I'm down. I'm here for it. Yeah, for sure. I agree. Fine shit.

1:00:03Jason Stewart:But the overarching point is even though the Kim Gordon album is dope, even though the new pulp album is actually good we still would rather have the the 1993 sonic you

1:00:13Chris Black:shit you know what it is yeah yeah and so as a as a dude making stuff it's always funny so like the the idea to push and make new stuff is always just for me you know well that's i mean that's

1:00:29Jason Stewart:the way it should be you have to be entertaining yourself up there on stage or else there's no point of any of it yeah but i think that for people like you where you're ahead of the curve for a lot of sounds and a lot of aesthetics and just in general i think that the world is starting to catch up to it now and i think that what you're doing even if you thought it you know in 2019 when people want to watch dumb dollar and whatever instead of you do your little shit uh the shit they want to watch cali swag district or whatever it is instead of you 2019 was scary but um but i i went to a show this weekend at the echoplex and it was like a festival of like

1:01:18Chris Black:i almost went to that i was gonna yeah that looked cool what is it was it dusty edm for it wasn't guys well it wasn't it was all these new kids bands and shit it's called and always

1:01:31Jason Stewart:forever and it was like a two-day festival at the echo and the echoplex sold out and it was branded as the the first all ages electro clash and shoegaze festival i'm out but so it was so it was like like i went i went there to go see i mean that's a that's a tough pill to swallow but there's like um i went to go see dj python and he has like a another band and they played and so it's like bass victim and like new like bubbling groups ear played which i which i just

1:02:07Chris Black:listened to the new record and i love that shit i'm i'm far too old and yeah and cis for this but

1:02:13Shlohmo:i like it bass victim telling me to check it out and then i look at the pictures and i'm like i

1:02:19Chris Black:don't know if i'm gonna first play on this i'm about i'm about 30 years too old i need to be six I need to be a 5

1:02:27Jason Stewart:So it's like that stuff mixed with Martin Rev and Drop 19s and like old real shit

1:02:34Shlohmo:Because shoegaze means something different now It does

1:02:37Jason Stewart:So they had the old mixed with the new But all that is to say I'm watching these bands on stage and it's a guy with a laptop with his Ableton open and a guitar and a girl is singing and they're making some like weird artistic shit and the crowd is absolutely enamored loving it and where whereas like that's never really happened until right now like it feels like this is the first time where like we're gonna go see a dj play techno and then a band from 1986 is gonna play and then these two kids from nebraska with their computer are gonna

1:03:14Chris Black:dance around and it's all in the same zone i'm hyped on on kids consumption of of stuff right

1:03:21Jason Stewart:now all that is to say if you were if you were on this bill you would have fit right in perfectly with the the new record and how it sounds which is a trip because i feel like there has not been

1:03:31Chris Black:a thing like that maybe ever um other than i feel like fys did it semi-well on a large scale but it was so early and you should check out coachella festival yeah they do this good thing backstage called the youtube tent um but i think that no i think you i think this is sort of i think

1:03:53Shlohmo:our age group it was very i think the genre lines were much thicker and it meant more like as far as like who you were as a person what you chose to identify with totally and now it's just like i like cool stuff and that doesn't really matter there's the template is kind of all encompassing

1:04:09Chris Black:of like everything that was cool from time so it's like there's a new identity that's kind of

1:04:15Jason Stewart:just embracing everything that was like i i have to know about shlomo and fugazi and dj screw or

1:04:23Chris Black:like not know about any of it and just wear the thing that yeah was from the time and then get educated later it's such a like the whole template and in um meme of of every subculture and and uh whatever exists for you to look at and copy completely so it's just like it's funny the entry point for people is always different now if they find out through fashion they might not ever find out about the music that created it or what you know vice versa there's no pressure to like investigate yeah totally and why you know if i was a kid now how even would you investigate other than like knowing what key phrases to look at on wikipedia or some shit like the internet's gone that's the trippy thing that i've been dealing with recently is like looking for the stuff from kind of our little heyday of early 2010s whatever that shit is

1:05:22Shlohmo:gone you mean you mean like if you're looking for a song you you can't find your the stuff that

1:05:28Chris Black:you're looking for online even images from festivals that were like had a million people attending just like imger photo bucket like whatever all these things that that we thought would transfer to something else so you're looking for a pit you're looking for embarrassing

1:05:46Shlohmo:picture yourself wearing all over print exactly exactly and you can't find one looking for myself

1:05:51Chris Black:in the green apple tree hat with the king at the crooks and castles that's a rare ref um yeah but i

1:05:57Jason Stewart:but and i'm sure that i because i've got this over the years and i'm sure you get all the time where somebody's like hey you made a remix or you made a mixtape for this thingy and this year and i can't find it anywhere do you have it and i'm like i even i don't have that that's what i'm talking about and i created it with my computer and i had the files and it's just we we are from a lost

1:06:18Chris Black:here no more dude it's it's kind of cool but it's also kind of trippy to think like when kids are trying to find out about that shit it's like it's opaque there's nothing well it's funny you say

1:06:29Shlohmo:Yeah, because Jason sends our group chat a new picture of him at Cinespace once a week looking like he's in the strokes but a zombie. So I don't know how he - You transferred your photo bucket already. He found the photo bucket.

1:06:40Jason Stewart:It's not because I am in the trenches looking for this shit. It's because somebody sends me a photo. It's because the cobra snake was in the trenches for you.

1:06:48Chris Black:That era is well preserved. Is well preserved. Yeah, yeah. Somehow - It's the one right after.

1:06:55Shlohmo:You're saying like the earlier days, weirdly.

1:06:56Jason Stewart:2006 to 2010 we have like perfect yeah yeah yeah 2010 to 2017 it's a little bit of a no

1:07:04Shlohmo:fucking gone that's actually really that is funny it doesn't make sense it doesn't make more digitized like there was easier access to it was so easily accessed that we took it for

1:07:14Jason Stewart:granted and now yeah we're just like i'm sure it's somewhere and then they're like no it's

1:07:18Chris Black:actually not i think it's when it first got semi what we thought was democratized but was just many corporations that ended up dying.

1:07:27Shlohmo:Are you talking about the Friendster?

1:07:30Chris Black:Everything adjacent, like the Imgur photo bucket, like all these hosting sites that just don't exist.

1:07:36Shlohmo:I'm sorry, I keep thinking earlier because it's confusing to me.

1:07:40Jason Stewart:I'm just going to put everything on my Flickr and it'll be there forever and my grandkids will find it and they're like, nah, that server was blown up.

1:07:47Shlohmo:Flickr and photo bucket and all that shit for shit. But all those sites you guys use for like music stuff, like all the zippy share all that shit like that was a that was like a five-year window where that was very

1:07:58Chris Black:normal and then it just completely went away media fire mega upload like all that shit's just gone

1:08:04Jason Stewart:it's hilarious no i mean i i have to buy whenever i dj like a wedding or some shit i'm like damn i

1:08:10Chris Black:gotta go buy this music the music that i used to have yeah the music that i used to have that i got

1:08:17Jason Stewart:from a Russian website, perfect quality audio file done by somebody who really cares. Shit just doesn't exist anymore. Flax, waves, whatever. Now it's like, I got to go spend$1.29 on Amazon Music to get, let's get retarded in here by the Black Eyed Peas to play at this wedding.

1:08:34Chris Black:I need the original. Well, you should have had that on CD and vinyl.

1:08:38Jason Stewart:But I did have all of this stuff, but now for some reason, this laptop and this laptop and that hard drive and that cloud and then suddenly you don't know where it's all gone man i'm so glad that i don't care about music

1:08:51Shlohmo:in that way like i don't want to own any of it i don't give a fuck as long as i can listen to it i'm happy like i don't need to manipulate it in any you know what i mean i think i like i have other stuff like that but that game is crazy because i feel like it's never ending from a dj perspective yeah like i feel like there's always something you're kind of chasing because

1:09:08Chris Black:you remember it and it works even even just as a listener it's fucking it's crazy because a lot of that shit was just youtube sound like whatever or like band camp stuff it just doesn't exist anymore it's like not anywhere so i can't even hear it this happened to me recently when i was

1:09:22Shlohmo:in florida i was like reminded of this sort of like pre-dashboard confessional era singer songwriter from gainesville and i was like googling everywhere i'm like i cannot find keith welsh's music anywhere what the fuck and it like takes me to facebook and then i find that he's put it on Bandcamp like as is and I buy it and I listen to it and I'm like damn this is this makes me feel so good and I cannot believe how hard it was to like I just assume everything is on Spotify or Apple Music I just don't even consider

1:09:53Jason Stewart:you mean owning the files and playing it on your iTunes or your Apple Music

1:09:58Shlohmo:player yeah I bought it for $10 from Bandcamp and I loaded it onto my phone and I'm listening to it driving around Florida as God intended and I'm like damn these Keith Welsh songs hold the fuck up this guy is clearly fat and never had sex when he made this and it works

1:10:14Jason Stewart:and if you're in the swamp with no reception you can play it instantly perfectly

1:10:20Shlohmo:but I've never really had to do that because the music I like is pretty easy to find like hardcore shit's on YouTube like all the weird hardcore records are on YouTube

1:10:29Chris Black:they do some good documenting in that scene

1:10:31Shlohmo:that's like part of it kind of they're not busy getting laid so they gotta do something right yeah well i think they did get laid and they had two kids and now they got nothing else to look forward to they got laid twice sorry yeah

1:10:46Jason Stewart:um last question i wanted to talk about snare drums i was i was working out in the garage yesterday listening to the new record on repeat hell yeah well i was also high sorry i didn't i don't mean to rub it in please but i was like i was thinking about the evolution of just kind of the snare drum and how, you know, like with hardcore back in our, you know, like that snare drum sound for like a punk record or a hardcore record or a metal record is like such a defining distinctive thing. And now with electronic music and everyone has to have, you know, quote unquote, their snare sound and everyone has their, you can just pick it out in a lineup.

1:11:25Jason Stewart:And I was, I was admiring how unique and powerful your snare sounds and thank you, you know, make it loud without being loud. Who'd you steal it from?

1:11:35Chris Black:A couple people, I think.

1:11:37Jason Stewart:Well, that's the thing. It's like a kaleidoscope. It's a quilt. You take 11 different snares and you layer them and pan them and add stuff to it to make something completely unique.

1:11:47Chris Black:A lot of it, I mean, the actual snares in the songs are just drum machines with big effects and then layered, as you said, and then sometimes some recorded snare or foley that I'll do separately on top. But my main inspo is, like I'm looking at the poster behind you, Pet Shop Boys, fucking Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, the big 80s.

1:12:16Jason Stewart:Original Snare Kings.

1:12:17Chris Black:Original Snare Kings. The other thing that really inspired me is that era of nu metal and emo, like the really quick high snare. Like I never use it, but it's like layered, sometimes deep in there to give it a like bink it's impossible what who are some of these uh new metal emo bands i mean i'm always listening to title fight but theirs is kind of more i i'm i'm just inspired by rock drum mixing it's not foreground ever and um i think with a lot of electronic music it's just right there it's the first thing and so being uh using a lot of electronic stuff but also using guitar and trying to make it this record more kind of guitar centered focus like it's music music you're making songs not ids making song i just

1:13:17Jason Stewart:fuck with i just fuck with music though that's what i my main thing is music

1:13:23Chris Black:that's what's up that's what's up but yeah snares man um snares man no mainly mainly 80s tears for fear is like the gated

1:13:35Jason Stewart:gated reverb big snare type of snare make a make a young man's lung collapse when it hits you exactly hit you right in the chest all right henry well uh thanks for taking the time to pod with us. We appreciate it. It's a real pleasure. Everyone go check out the new record, Repulsor. If you want. It's great. Great artwork featuring our boy Salem.

1:13:59Chris Black:Thank you, sir. Thank you, Sires. There's some other features, right? There's also Corbin on there.

1:14:04Jason Stewart:We got Corbin. Spooky Black. Formerly known.

1:14:08Shlohmo:Isn't there a Corbin record that's sort of like guitar that came out at some point? Yeah. That is a classic. I forgot about that until right now. There's a couple.

1:14:16Chris Black:shut up okay i'll look back into that all right bro we'll stay up good to see you my friend blessings my kings good to see you thank you peace y 'all bless those bye

1:14:49I love you.

1:15:16Jason Stewart:With Visor Steuer