875. - Hailey Benton Gates

9:51Chris Black:just like a hail Mary calculated I wish it was that calculated I think it's I think it's strictly pathetic like I don't think it's definitely pathetic but I'm saying if this person was if this person was thinking it through that hard they would be successful because that's what it takes is some okay some sort of planning and thought there's a compliment for me in there somewhere chris i like that i just don't understand this line of thinking like the whole point is that there are some people that are better than you and you should look at them and be inspired or driven to be better not discourage like i'm 43 years old and i'm a fucking loser hasn't done anything i i hope that at 50 i'll have done something that i'm proud of you know i don't understand like i just i think we've the age thing is so crazy but i feel like as you get older you learn that that's not really how it is.

10:36Chris Black:Like the, of course we see the people that are 27 and successful, but there's a lot of people who are rich and successful that it took 20 years. That's not, you know, it's, it's not really, it's not realistic for, I would say 99.9 % of society.

10:49Jason Stewart:Yeah. Yeah. I think people, you know, when you want to be whatever it is from childhood and you have your, your vision of what that is and where it starts and what it looks like. And it doesn't, the plan doesn't line up with the timeline, your brain starts scrambling. I mean, I feel a little bad for her because she's sort of, I'm assuming the rest of the world is laughing at her, right?

11:12Chris Black:I think you're either laughing at her or you feel the same way, but you don't want to admit it. I think those are the two because you realize that it's like unbelievable, like crybaby behavior. But I just don't, it's just, I don't know, man. Some people are good. Some people aren't. Some things happen. Some things don't. you kind of just got to let go and let God is my advice for any 27 year old aspiring Rachel Sennett.

11:35Jason Stewart:I do agree. Yeah. And there's so many other, just stick with it. Whatever you're good at, whatever your dream, ideal scenario to pair with your soul and your life. Maybe it hasn't been created yet. When I was born, podcasts didn't exist.

11:50Chris Black:And now that's why I can't listen to Rogan. You know, he's just too good. It's discouraging. I can't. I mean, when you were born,

11:56Jason Stewart:the office wasn't even an idea in Ricky Gervais's mind and now look at you and now look at me all

12:03Chris Black:right we have a guest today um friend of the show Hayley Benton Gates is a writer director actor she has a new movie called Atropia uh that stars Aaliyah Shawkat and Callum Turner um she just did a Mew Mew thing she's everywhere she was she's a fan she's a vice alumni one of my favorite type of people to have on How Long Gone. Let's see if Shane took her in the helicopter to Atlantic City. How in the inner circle was she is a great question. She also has just a great head of hair, which I wanted to point out up top. Just a nice, nice head of hair, which is obviously something I take notice of.

12:39Jason Stewart:Yeah, and I knew who she was for a long time from watching her show on Vice back then. She was kind of, she was a Tony Bourdain addressing. and you know she'd go to these crazy far-flung locale visit the congo and afghanistan and see how uh see how they got that shit on over there and we got to hang out a bunch at charlie and george's wedding actually so happy to have her on she's cool let's give her a jingle

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18:44Chris Black:I have to say though you're wearing a you're wearing a what looks to be a shirt with your initials embroidered on it, which I like that. And you came camera ready, even though it's not. That's not what we do here.

18:55Hailey Benton Gates:I like to look good, always.

18:57Chris Black:Wow. Must be nice. Must be nice.

19:00Jason Stewart:Even when you're podcasting.

19:01Hailey Benton Gates:I've actually never done a podcast.

19:03Chris Black:I don't believe that. Are you serious?

19:05Hailey Benton Gates:I've never done a podcast.

19:06Chris Black:This is number one? You didn't do Rogan? I swear you did Rogan.

19:10Hailey Benton Gates:Oh my god, I would be so great on Rogan.

19:13Chris Black:Why do you think that? You have a lot of archery experience? You know what those guys have in common that I wonder if you're interested in is they really love boxing and MMA. All of the sort of bro, quote unquote, podcasts love boxing and MMA to the point where I feel. It's fucking awesome. That's why. I feel isolated from them. I feel separated from them because I don't love the art of two men beating each other up shirtless.

19:40Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, that's not really my vibe. I didn't think so, but I've been surprised.

19:45Jason Stewart:Yeah, we're here to talk more so about Callum Turner and things like that. But then the fact that you have him in a movie is just a coincidence. We would have been discussing him and his body otherwise. Where are you guys?

20:00Hailey Benton Gates:Oh, sorry.

20:01Jason Stewart:Oh, I'm in my house. He's in his house. I'm in LA. He's in New York.

20:04Hailey Benton Gates:Nice.

20:05Chris Black:Where are you? You look like you're in some sort of office. You're in the Trackshot Studios?

20:08Hailey Benton Gates:I'm in an airport hotel in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

20:14Chris Black:else oh shit you got food poisoning you good fly out what's his name all right so you're you're in sam i assume this is i assume this is work related i'm i'm lending

20:27Hailey Benton Gates:a hand on on a dock but um the vibe is pretty interesting down here uh sure what what in what

20:34Chris Black:sense what interesting is a interesting word to use can you give us maybe what what you mean by

20:41Hailey Benton Gates:that exactly um there's like 5 000 troops down here u.s troops from our our beautiful country yeah i mean this is the u.s but i forgot trump also has a naval like basically surrounded venezuela with naval ships yeah that's right i've been reading about that you've been reading about it yeah it's pretty wild he also just designated maduro a terrorist yes so what does it take to

21:10Chris Black:get designated you just he just has to say it right that's it well i think like the idea like

21:15Hailey Benton Gates:he he said that he is the head of this cartel that's called like cartel of the sons or something because it's the military designation um on a uniform but essentially i think my understanding is that it's a colloquialism that's used in venezuela to be like that's like someone that's a politician that's sort of made money in a corrupt way so it would be like sure saying like the illuminati is a terrorist organization or something well it depends on how you feel about

21:46Chris Black:the rock nation brunch but i think i think it's a terrorist organization personally but i think

21:51Hailey Benton Gates:what he's doing basically for the last like since 9-11 all of the presidents like obama brandon trump have all been using that aumf the authorization for military force to just bomb people like at their will without congressional approval you're saying you're

22:12Chris Black:saying you're saying because they're the big boss they can push the button without having to go through the normal channels because there's a bill that allows them to do that yeah but basically

22:20Hailey Benton Gates:they have to say that someone's a terrorist i see to do that so okay okay so he's like so he's like He's a terrorist.

22:29Chris Black:And there's nobody to kind of check the paperwork on that. It's sort of like one man's opinion.

22:34Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so now all of these soldiers have been denied leave for Thanksgiving.

22:40Chris Black:Well, it's a fake holiday. I'm fine with that.

22:43Hailey Benton Gates:I mean, you know, it's not my favorite.

22:45Jason Stewart:9-11 was a fake attack too. Damn.

22:47Hailey Benton Gates:Inside job.

22:49Jason Stewart:Gobble on that.

22:50Hailey Benton Gates:Gobble on that.

22:53Chris Black:are you okay so are you returning to to your are you coming are you going yeah yeah i don't know

23:00Hailey Benton Gates:i think i'm gonna see how it no no i'm here this is where i'm uh what did you guys do before you podcasted do you ever hang out and like we call this like a shoot hotel you know like uh because

23:11Chris Black:it's let me guess not nice and you have to be there and it's cheap you can't open the windows

23:17Hailey Benton Gates:That's always the most annoying thing.

23:20Chris Black:But you're saying, I feel like in your business, you sort of have to come and go on a whim. You just sort of decide when it's time and buy a flight that day.

23:32Jason Stewart:The life of a documentarian, I can only imagine.

23:35Hailey Benton Gates:Well, there was a really funny, when I was working at Vice, I had this bad habit of deciding that on my show, We were going to stay in more interesting places, which, of course, all of the sound guys fucking hated because they want AC and a gym. Oh, yeah. Those kind of comforts. Let's do Afghanistan.

23:58Chris Black:I guess I'm a fucking sound guy then because that's what I look for in a hotel too.

24:01Hailey Benton Gates:Really?

24:02Jason Stewart:Yeah, Chris hates sleeping with a mosquito net.

24:06Chris Black:I don't want interesting. I want nice as possible. I want a gold sink. What are you talking about?

24:11Hailey Benton Gates:A gold sink?

24:12Jason Stewart:I mean, that's it. that escalated okay so he doesn't want to see these local tribes people building uh building so you want to stay they want i see he wants a tour of the the laura piano factory so you want

24:24Chris Black:to stay in a fucking mud hut and the rest of the crew is like hey can we get a hampton in

24:29Hailey Benton Gates:two seasons no well there is no no actually it's it sounds no there was one there was one um episode that we did in Paris which was like we never went to places like France and I decided to take everybody to Hotel Amour sure they were really bummed I mean look Hotel Amour is is fun

24:50Chris Black:if you're I would say in a relationship that started three months ago you know that that's

24:55Jason Stewart:could you explain why this why your crew would not like this hotel for our listeners who don't

25:00Hailey Benton Gates:know what you're talking about as well as me all the rooms are sort of like different and candy colored and there's like dicks on the carpet and there's no ac there's no phone in the room there's

25:13Chris Black:no television yeah it's like it's just an anal palace is what you're saying i remember staying there once and the only way to bathe was in a bathtub that was at the foot of the bed and you had to stand up and pull the shot and i i was like i i had to tell my my now wife i was like you got to leave the room like i look like a fucking elephant in here this is insane like

25:36Jason Stewart:i'm splat no your partner is supposed to bathe you i mean kind of that would be amazing there's a great scene in your film where that happens i don't want to step on anything that's true that's true oh you guys watched the movie oh i didn't no no i didn't that's okay we'll get into it later We're doing pleasantries now.

25:52Hailey Benton Gates:Did you stick your tongue out at me? No, no, no. You're like, I didn't watch your movie. Like, ugh.

26:00Jason Stewart:No, that's not. I didn't watch your movie. He's teasing you. Chris seemingly has become addicted to nicotine toothpicks. Is that what's going on in that little mouth of yours, buddy?

26:09Chris Black:No, I did have one today. I've only had 10 total, so I don't know if I'm addicted yet, but I'm trying to get there. That sounds good.

26:17Hailey Benton Gates:A nicotine toothpick.

26:18Chris Black:It gives you the buzz you need when you're feeling low and you got a podcast to record. You know what I mean?

26:22Hailey Benton Gates:I tried one of those like...

26:24Chris Black:Zen.

26:25Hailey Benton Gates:What is that? Zen? Oh, yeah.

26:27Chris Black:For the folks at home, she's sticking her finger into her lip like she's a fish being hooked.

26:34Hailey Benton Gates:How did it feel? I was with my composer and I was like, so what do I do? And he was like, just like, put it in your mouth and take it out when you think you're going to throw up.

26:46Hailey Benton Gates:Great quote out of context. I did put it in my mouth and I was like, I do feel like I might throw up.

26:54Chris Black:Do you know what the milligram, do you know what the dosage was?

26:57Hailey Benton Gates:I didn't even know what the name of it was.

26:59Chris Black:Yeah, because there's different, I guess, because it's born in Sweden, in Scandinavia. And so when you go there, they have wild shit, like quadruple what you can get in the States. And you see a grandmother hitting that.

27:13Hailey Benton Gates:Really?

27:14Chris Black:Because it's just like what they do. It's very strange. It's very strange because you have to take it out.

27:19Hailey Benton Gates:I felt like it was going to burn a hole in my mouth, and then I would drink water, and I would be dribbling.

27:27Chris Black:But is this just like anything else? You just get used to it, and it feels good? Coke doesn't feel good either, but then you're like, well, this is pretty cool.

27:33Jason Stewart:I think you love it so much you just don't care.

27:36Chris Black:Yeah, yeah. I'm sure you build up a little tolerance, though.

27:38Jason Stewart:Oh, yeah.

27:39Hailey Benton Gates:But what does the stick taste like?

27:42Chris Black:Nothing.

27:43Hailey Benton Gates:Nothing.

27:44Chris Black:It kind of tastes a little bit woody. the wooden toothpick is a little wood you don't say no I mean I'm sure you can get like menthol or whatever but like I'm saying I think there's one that's like natural and it's just sort of nothing

27:58Jason Stewart:Chris isn't chewing on the mojito flavored one he's probably he said let me get the plane but this is the time of the year you know Thanksgiving Christmas where we all switch from our tea tree oil toothpicks to the cinnamon toothpick just to get festive is that something that you like to do for the holidays

28:14Hailey Benton Gates:hbg i mean god you guys have a real situation i would love that i need to get into these sticks actually i did i did a i did like a close listen of your last few episodes i have had a toothpick okay okay i love it'd be so cool if you're like no can you explain to me how those work

28:34Chris Black:tell me please what are those four exactly okay got it also like i have a massive gap in the

28:42Hailey Benton Gates:middle of my mouth so i don't really get things stuck in it you know that's pick country right

28:47Jason Stewart:there so you need an xl model probably yeah you got to get the you got to get the gmc sierra

28:52Chris Black:two by four let's do a four by four back that thing in there's a plank like right to the did you did you ever yeah you have to go to home depot to get your toothpicks did you ever when you were a kid yeah was there pressure to close the gap oh yeah yeah and you were able to resist that pressure because you knew down the line you're like this is going to be hot people like

29:12Jason Stewart:this i don't know you said this this gap's gonna do numbers on tumblr mom just chill just let it

29:19Hailey Benton Gates:i mean i can't i can really like squirt across the room with it which is really exciting

29:25Chris Black:okay but i feel i feel like this i feel like there could have been an or an la orthodontist that was kind of like hey yeah this is gonna fuck up your breathing or something i feel like

29:33Hailey Benton Gates:it wasn't a money issue of course i did have braces and then i tried to take them off with a fork.

29:40Chris Black:Hold on. Hold on. You're telling me you retain that gap with braces?

29:43Hailey Benton Gates:Well, they put braces on and I tried to take them off with a fork. And then my mom was like, found me, you know, and I was like, had taken apart. I took the whole like walk. I'm so bad at doing a podcast because I'm like, make weird faces the whole time. So I can't.

29:59Jason Stewart:I mean, okay. So your mom caught you.

30:01Hailey Benton Gates:I pulled, I pulled the wire off and then my mom was like, okay, took the fork away and was like give me a second she came back and she wrote up like a handwritten contract that said i tried to give you straight teeth but you refused you can't blame me later in life and then i signed it and she got them take it off wow it was great that is that's some

30:20Chris Black:of the coolest parenting i've ever heard um and i hope i'm sure she still has that note in her

30:24Hailey Benton Gates:important papers folder just in case you act up definitely not that's a that's okay so you you

30:32Chris Black:But was it Gap that you were Did you just not like the braces though?

30:36Hailey Benton Gates:I don't know I think I just like Was really into it But you know Yeah that's good it's a strong sense of self at a young age

30:43Chris Black:I never had braces You're a nonconformist I feel like it was okay

30:47Hailey Benton Gates:Let's see your teeth Alright You got a little

30:53Chris Black:You got some leaners on the bottom Those are good We need that

30:59Hailey Benton Gates:The fake teeth thing is crazy

31:01Chris Black:Are you not veneer? Are you not for it?

31:04Hailey Benton Gates:No, it's insane. People's teeth, they're like purple. And it's like a wall.

31:10Chris Black:Because they're so white, they're purple.

31:11Jason Stewart:Yeah, it's crazy. Like when they bleach their hair and they put the purple stuff in. It's like a wall.

31:17Hailey Benton Gates:You know what I mean?

31:18Jason Stewart:It is a wall. Well, do you think that eventually, like when breast augmentation first came out, a lot of people had to crawl before they walked and a lot of people had to have some you know unfortunate results because it was early days but now plastic surgery is so advanced it's fine do you think in like 10 years we're all just gonna have veneers the technology is gonna be good they're not gonna look like fucked up white walls it'll be natural and accepted everywhere uh i don't know man

31:52Hailey Benton Gates:far out man i'm not really like a future guy okay i feel i feel like they're i feel like they're gonna be able to age i just like the idea that when they take them off like they're like sanded down like creepy points and you look like i've never googled that because i don't want to

32:07Chris Black:see it because i think it'll give me the heebie-jeebies it looks like a monster but do you

32:10Hailey Benton Gates:know what i heard some hollywood goss that let's go apparently they there's like a huge market for people making real looking teeth to go on the purple veneers so that they can look like a person

32:24Chris Black:in a movie so you're saying okay you're saying i'm an a-list actor i've already had i'm ryan gosling i've got my fillers i've got my lips plumped i got my veneers but i'm in a movie where i'm playing a little bit of a rough and tumble character yeah i need some yeah so you

32:39Jason Stewart:can have so you once you have the veneer all your teeth sanded down then you can just swap it out these are my daily drivers. These are just my goslings. And then I'm going to do another thing. And you can have your teeth created for every role. That seems smart, honestly.

32:53Chris Black:It's like when women wear sneakers to work and they keep the Jimmy Choo's in their purse and change when they get to the office. It's the teeth version of that. Wow. That doesn't surprise me at all, though, because they are distracting in a Hollywood setting.

33:08Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah.

33:09Jason Stewart:When people have the really fucked up veneers, it's really hard to really develop a relationship or friendship with them.

33:14Hailey Benton Gates:You can get like a sunburn. You're like...

33:16Jason Stewart:It also costs 60 grand or something

33:18Chris Black:or maybe more. It's like very... Not until you wanna. It's expensive.

33:21Hailey Benton Gates:60 grand? Wow.

33:24Chris Black:Yeah, I think it can be like... I mean, obviously, depending on the quality, but I think it's like anything else. If you want the good ones, it's like very, very expensive.

33:31Jason Stewart:I'm sure down in the DR, you can get it for pennies on the dollar.

33:34Chris Black:You could probably find some stuff cheap where you are right now.

33:37Hailey Benton Gates:Wait, I wanted to mention something, which is that I did like a close listen of your last two episodes. um try to you know get a sense of the the jays sure um when i say jays i mean jokes and jays when you were talking about teeth it reminded me of something really funny that you said at the beginning but like do you know what it feels like to get head from a forefather and then i was like okay i think i'm gonna be all right what was what was that in i remember

34:10Jason Stewart:We were talking about how Diddy...

34:11Hailey Benton Gates:Something about like wooden teeth.

34:13Jason Stewart:Because Diddy looks like Frederick Douglass in jail without his access to his salon. And it's clear that he's giving people head in prison, so you're going to look down and be like, damn, it looks like one of our nation's forefathers is breaking me off a little... A little piece of head, a little piece of head.

34:30Chris Black:A little piece of head. When you repeat that, it sounds even stupider than when I heard it the first time, but I still like it, so it's good.

34:38Hailey Benton Gates:well it was just like i was trying to figure out like where you know the venn diagram of us connected and it felt like there and when you said something about like can you get syphilis from dvds or something i was like all right these are my kind of jokes yeah because normally

34:55Jason Stewart:normally somebody comes on they're like yeah so i didn't listen to your pod i listened yeah the the one with jarvis cocker that was really good and yeah it was awesome and you're like so getting head from the forefather and getting syphilis from dvds these are my those

35:09Hailey Benton Gates:are my north stars that i run to exactly what's your how hard is your blu-ray collection hitting are you a digital chick um i got dvds you do have dvds yeah yeah i like blu-ray is technically a

35:22Chris Black:digital medium just i don't want to be a nitpicker no but you know what i mean i just i just feel like it's so cumbersome but you don't you don't move them around i have like i have like one of those big ugly like 90s you know oh a binder oh really a binder yeah like a case logic soft one

35:39Jason Stewart:yeah with the zipper so but that's better than the shelf unit on display that's a little more

35:44Hailey Benton Gates:incel right no yeah i don't yeah you're not you're not an incel with a podcast on the ringer network

35:49Chris Black:what's the ringer the ringer is a network of podcasts where guys talk about movies like it's life and death but they don't work it they don't they're people they just like college football

35:59Jason Stewart:but they do a three-hour episode about Bloodsport 2 and how sick it was. So we're like, we're going to debate Robocop for four hours.

36:06Hailey Benton Gates:What's Bloodsport? I haven't seen that.

36:08Chris Black:You haven't seen Bloodsport? I mean, I haven't seen it, but I'm aware of it. I mean, I'm very aware of it.

36:13Hailey Benton Gates:That sounds really up my street.

36:14Jason Stewart:It's a Jean-Claude Van Damme. It's his debut film from 1988. And I think recently I just read something that Trump, when he watches the film, he makes them fast forward only to the fight scenes. Whoa. Maybe he likes his body. I don't know.

36:28Hailey Benton Gates:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, of course.

36:30Jason Stewart:Of course, Whitaker's in it. He likes his body. He likes his body. I mean, Jean-Claude in 88, you kidding me?

36:37Hailey Benton Gates:He's a split king.

36:38Chris Black:He is a split king. That's the new verse. Doing a split as a man is crazy. It seems like one of the hardest things to train for.

36:46Hailey Benton Gates:I know. What happens? Can you guys do a split?

36:48Chris Black:No. Oh, I can barely touch my toes. Are you kidding me? Really? No, I can't. I'm joking. But doing a split is, I don't know any man who can do a split. Hunter can.

36:57Hailey Benton Gates:Where do the balls go?

36:58Chris Black:A hunter can. My trainer in LA can.

37:00Hailey Benton Gates:Who's Hunter?

37:01Jason Stewart:I never thought about where do the balls go. Because I'm more flexible than him not to flex. But I definitely cannot do the splits. But I can get probably closer than Chris can. But never close enough to where I had to factor in ball. Hopefully one day I'll have that inconvenience as my limberness continues to grow.

37:24Chris Black:These questions you're asking are just too hard.

37:27Jason Stewart:I can't deal with this. I'm sorry. Okay. stop putting us on the spot okay you mentioned earlier um with the gap in the teeth that you can quote unquote squirt across the room and i yeah i was thinking recently when people ask they're like where do the balls go when people ask like what's your like dumb talent or whatever yeah i realize that mine is spitting not not tooth gleeking or spraying like how you're talking

37:52Hailey Benton Gates:about gleeking gleeking is disgusting but gleeking is through the middle teeth that's what you're talking about no gleeking is like under the tongue you push the amount of times that i put my hands in my mouth in this conversation is just an abomination i thought gleeking i thought gleeking

38:08Chris Black:was you push the saliva through the middle teeth on the top no it's like you can somehow activate

38:14Hailey Benton Gates:your like spit gland underneath your tongue kind of like a snake in his venom you sound you sound

38:19Jason Stewart:like diddy in jail okay so you can activate your spit i used to be able to gleek i don't know how

38:24Chris Black:I thought I think I could Gleek too, but now I'm rethinking everything because I think I had the definition of Gleek incorrect.

38:33Jason Stewart:Yeah, you fucked up.

38:34Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, it's gross. How do you activate the Gleek though?

38:37Jason Stewart:If I could explain that, you know, people Gleek, you don't teach someone how to Gleek. You just do it or you don't.

38:43Chris Black:I don't think people Gleek after eighth grade, but I do think they do it.

38:49Jason Stewart:Something that you don't carry on later into your life.

38:51Hailey Benton Gates:Sorry, can we talk about how you discovered that you're really good at spitting?

38:56Jason Stewart:It was literally probably in the last month when I realized I'm good at spitting. Because when I was a kid, I used to, being a bored teen or whatever, have a spitting contest when you're 10 years old or something.

39:11Hailey Benton Gates:Guys, podcasting is crazy.

39:13Jason Stewart:He's closer to 50 than he is 20.

39:15Chris Black:I just want to be very clear about this discovery.

39:17Jason Stewart:I'm not saying that I spit all the time as a sport now. I'm saying in this position in my life, I realize that I'm actually quite good at spitting both for distance, but more so for accuracy and precision. I can hit a target all over the place.

39:33Hailey Benton Gates:Okay, but not answering the question.

39:35Jason Stewart:What's the question?

39:36Hailey Benton Gates:The question was how did you discover it? What were you spitting at to figure out that you were so great at it?

39:42Jason Stewart:Which one of your neighbors? I probably just hit another one of my great targets. you know like like i was you know maybe i'm in lax and i got a little spit to come out wait wait

39:51Hailey Benton Gates:are you talking about spit like like like a i didn't want you to have to say that word and i apologize we took i know i'm sorry can you can you believe it's more so i'll gladly beep it it'll

40:02Jason Stewart:make our listeners fucking horny hearing i literally can't believe it came out of my mouth it was like it's more just just general excess saliva that's built up in my in my mouth you

40:11Hailey Benton Gates:actually kind of blushed. I didn't like it.

40:14Jason Stewart:I have to be honest.

40:15Chris Black:I really didn't like it. You don't have to apologize because we led you there, but just moving forward.

40:20Hailey Benton Gates:I know it was just, it was a follow-up question. I'm still having trouble with the spitting visually. Sorry. It's like, so you, you're trying to spit in like a trash can or like, can you talk about the targets?

40:32Jason Stewart:I just washed my hand. I'm washing my hands. I'm an LAX. I gotta spit I can confidently spit and it lands in the drain of the sink goes down the hole almost 100 accuracy whatever like whatever sink I'm in high low big small I can spit it straight down into the drain probably with 100 accuracy okay sorry control control yourself Haley I can tell that you're very this is a slow down ladies I'm single but this is like uh I could drop it you I could use gravity or i could propel i've actually i hate to say this but we've spent so much time

41:10Chris Black:together i have seen him use gravity and that i'm now replaying this in my mind that i have i have witnessed this i can't attest to the accuracy it doesn't really feel like a party trick which is

41:21Hailey Benton Gates:sort of the way that you introduced it it's a silent it's a silent victory feels like a solo journey yeah it is it is or like a one-on-one can you juggle hayley what can you do if you can you

41:32Chris Black:Like as far as a party trick goes, can you do anything cool?

41:36Hailey Benton Gates:Well, I can like spit a drink like through my teeth at someone's face.

41:41Chris Black:I don't want your vodka soda in my nose. I just mean like, you know, if there's anything more sanitary.

41:47Hailey Benton Gates:I can do the cherry salmon and not with my tongue like a motherfucker.

42:24Jason Stewart:Have you ever been able to successfully teach somebody how to do that?

42:27Hailey Benton Gates:No, it's like...

42:28Jason Stewart:You're touched by God.

42:30Chris Black:You're touched by God.

42:31Hailey Benton Gates:Thank you.

42:31Chris Black:and I'm jealous. I don't have any skills at all, really. I can't do anything besides balance something, Jason, as you know, on my finger or chin. No, Chris is a good balancer.

42:42Hailey Benton Gates:Okay.

42:43Chris Black:Like give me an umbrella and I will balance it on my pinky finger for upwards of 60 seconds or more.

42:49Hailey Benton Gates:All right.

42:49Chris Black:Chris is simply built different.

42:52Jason Stewart:Yeah. Actually, just maybe two weeks ago or less, Chris showed a video of a guy in a grocery store. he picked up a shopping cart off the ground and lifted it over his head, bounced the shopping cart handle on his chin, and then held the shopping cart above his head. And Chris said, I feel like I could probably do that.

43:16Chris Black:Honestly, I think I could. If there was enough pressure on me and I was in an empty Whole Foods, I feel like I could at least go down a single aisle and back, sort of like a farmer's carry.

43:26Jason Stewart:If you were in a fantasy factory.

43:28Hailey Benton Gates:You have a big head.

43:30Chris Black:Yes, I do. I do. I've been told.

43:33Hailey Benton Gates:Let's see your chin. Yeah. It's a good canvas for balancing. For what? I don't know. Maybe your spit. Chill out. Sorry, but you guys are.

43:49Chris Black:Y 'all two are nasty. This took a nasty little turn. I'm going to my room.

43:54Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, this is not chic.

43:57Jason Stewart:Well, actually, speaking of nasty mess, Haley yeah uh it's a good way to begin speaking about a few scenes in your film um there's without spoiling what's going on exactly there's a scene where let's say one one there's two people maybe one person could be out of the other person's league but she was able to attain him in a sexual manner by exploiting her crush's fetish and i was thinking like if you really have a crush on somebody and you don't really have a chance to ever be with them try to figure out what their dark sexual fetish is and learn how to exploit that weakness only you know in a safe way of

44:43Hailey Benton Gates:course not in a dark way romance is listening jason romance is listening is that you said Yeah, that's what I said.

44:49Chris Black:Not in a literal sense. Who the fuck is romance? I don't know if I would use the -

44:54Hailey Benton Gates:Is romance in the room?

44:55Chris Black:I don't know if I would use the word exploit in this situation. I feel like it would be - Well, you haven't seen the scene, though. Wait, you haven't seen the movie. But exploit, I mean, that just feels like everybody's got something. Okay, I'll say it. I'll say it and I'll bleep it.

45:08Hailey Benton Gates:Okay, just so -

45:09Chris Black:So she -

45:10Hailey Benton Gates:Wait, wait. No, no, no, wait, wait. Don't ruin it.

45:13Chris Black:I said I'll bleep it.

45:14Hailey Benton Gates:Are you going to watch the movie?

45:16Chris Black:Maybe. I have a link. I have to see when it expires.

45:21Hailey Benton Gates:Wait, I heard that you guys are going to Japan.

45:24Chris Black:I'm going to Japan.

45:25Hailey Benton Gates:Oh, just you? Well, we can talk about Japan. I just thought maybe it's not as interesting for Jason because he's not going.

45:31Chris Black:I love Japan. I'm not going. He's been, but I've never been before. Oh, he's been. Okay. I've never been before, so it's a big deal for me.

45:37Hailey Benton Gates:I just got back.

45:38Chris Black:Yeah, somebody mentioned that, I think. What was the occasion? Were you working there or you were just?

45:43Hailey Benton Gates:No, my film was in the Tokyo Film Festival. and Jason, that scene really played well.

45:49Jason Stewart:Oh, really? I mean, I guess down in Japan, they really like certain sexual fetishes, don't they?

45:55Hailey Benton Gates:It was exciting. There was a lot of men in the audience asking me questions after the Q &A.

46:01Chris Black:But are they allowed to like it? You know what I mean?

46:04Hailey Benton Gates:Are they allowed to like it? Jesus.

46:07Chris Black:It's not China. It feels like there's a lot of shame is what I'm saying culturally. So maybe some of that stuff, they're not going to jump up and down about it is all i'm saying no it was pretty fun and loose

46:18Jason Stewart:that's good this is where tentacle porn was birthed and still strives chris this whatever was in her

46:24Chris Black:i'm not arguing i'm not arguing that they're freaks i'm saying that talking about it and being

46:28Jason Stewart:a freak are two different things right right enjoying it behind closed doors versus in the q a like oh excuse me um is it possible if you could shit on me for money you know like no one's really you know or maybe that's happening my wife won't shit on me is there you have any tips

46:41Chris Black:that you can help me with? Just since we're here.

46:49Chris Black:So should I be excited or should I be?

46:52Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, it's so great. I know.

46:54Chris Black:I feel like -

46:55Hailey Benton Gates:It's maybe one of the only places in the world that completely lives up to the expectation.

47:01Chris Black:That's actually big because you're right. I'm usually disappointed with most things.

47:04Jason Stewart:So this film won, what did it win at Sundance? um it won the grand jury prize damn bro gjp and then did you win anything in uh in tokyo or not so much no okay okay well fuck those guys i'm sure you had some great meals though right

47:25Hailey Benton Gates:no it was great so when is it coming out it's coming out um december 11th okay okay soon yeah soon yeah in ifc in new york uh-huh and then wider in january i love it i'm glad you're getting out

47:43Chris Black:there before marty supreme that's important smart we got to shut these motherfuckers up so i need this thing to i need this thing to come i saw today that it's coming out in 70 millimeter in new york and la before christmas for the for the heads just for the heads yeah can you as a filmmaker yeah can you explain to me why these mouth breathers love 70 millimeters so much and does it actually change the experience of seeing something?

48:06Jason Stewart:Be honest. It's 35 times two, Chris. You're a film guy. You should get this. I got that. I got the math of it.

48:12Chris Black:I just feel like it sounds to me like, you know, sometimes when people are like, this album's not mastered or whatever. And I'm like, I couldn't really tell the difference if you didn't say that to me. You know?

48:22Hailey Benton Gates:I mean, I'm a real sound guy, I have to say. So for me, if the sound is bad, it's way worse than if, you know, the picture is fantastic. But yeah, it's funny, During all that one battle after another stuff, people were like, what are you seeing it in? But all these doinks kept going to see it in VistaVision. It was jamming the whole time.

48:43Jason Stewart:VistaVision is tough.

48:43Hailey Benton Gates:But I'd kind of rather see a movie all the way through. You're like, I'm here to see it from beginning to end.

48:50Jason Stewart:I don't really care how it gets there. See if we can show a whole movie without it stopping.

48:56Chris Black:I guess what I'm saying, but when they screen something in 70mm, they often charge more too, correct? to see it that way?

49:03Jason Stewart:I don't know. I think perhaps, yeah. I mean, I would say it's the difference between listening to an MP3 versus listening to a CD or a record. Most people, 99 % of the people will not be able to tell a difference. And then the people who really appreciate it are able to, but I think literally it's just like the film is twice as big, so the screen size is bigger. So there's just that. That's kind of the main thing.

49:28Hailey Benton Gates:It looks great when you can see it, but I don't think it should deter you from seeing films in other ways.

49:34Jason Stewart:I mean, it's the same people who get upset when the new version of the DVD Blu-ray extra has different color grading and the tone has shifted from blue to purple and they stepped on Tarantino's warm oranges in digital transfer and you're like, okay, bro. Relax. Y 'all need to touch some grass. Y 'all need to relax. In general. Y 'all need to squirt across the room.

50:02Jason Stewart:okay so yeah you and care thing i noticed after watching i watched it last time my wife my wife loved it she was like damn this movie is fucking sick great so good job she usually doesn't you loved it less i loved it i loved it but she really liked it she was she liked it more than i did let's call it i'll give it an eight she gave it a 10 oh you asked sorry um how important do you think it is to have hotties in your film regardless of the subject matter and what's going on

50:31Hailey Benton Gates:I'm just obsessed with people's faces, you know, and I have to stare at their face for so long.

50:37Jason Stewart:In the edit bag. Yeah.

50:39Hailey Benton Gates:And if I don't like people's faces, then it makes the job really hard. And I got really lucky with those faces.

50:46Chris Black:That's a really cool way to put it. That's a really cool way.

50:50Jason Stewart:It's a poetic way of saying no uggos allowed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I noticed, I mean, for a film that is dealing with these specific subject matters, I was like, wait a minute. Every person, I mean, especially people who had the little kind of cameos like newscasters and bits and bobs here and there. Obviously, Callum and everyone else. There's a lot of very attractive people in this film. And I was wondering if that was just luck of the draw or if this was something that you considered more so.

51:20Hailey Benton Gates:Love beauty. What can I say?

51:22Jason Stewart:Yeah, sure. I get it.

51:23Chris Black:I mean, it makes more people. It also makes more people want to watch it.

51:26Hailey Benton Gates:But everybody has a really interesting face. Like, they're not just like, and there's no, like, everybody's eyebrows are moving in some fantastic ways.

51:37Jason Stewart:Are you an eyebrow watcher?

51:40Hailey Benton Gates:Well, I don't know if you've noticed, but, like, a lot of people can't move their eyebrows now.

51:46Chris Black:Jason, she's commenting on the amount of plastic surgery happening in Hollywood that is stopping faces from emoting. You know, honestly, I never notice it.

51:54Hailey Benton Gates:Really?

51:54Chris Black:Me neither. No, I've never even thought about it.

51:56Hailey Benton Gates:Really? Yeah. But then you can't see Anguish and like

52:01Jason Stewart:Are you planning on moving yours at some point In this hour convo?

52:08Chris Black:Yeah you're talking a lot of shit

52:09Hailey Benton Gates:I've been doing like a caterpillar dance With my eyebrows for the last 15 minutes A little fishing line I'm looking at your forehead and that shit's looking a little too clean

52:17Chris Black:That's all I'm gonna say A little too clean

52:22Hailey Benton Gates:Tell them it's not true That's so fucked up

52:25Jason Stewart:For our listeners at home Her eyebrows have moved. Obviously, look at them. She's trying. She's trying to get one of them. She got one of them almost gone.

52:33Chris Black:She's performatively moving them for us now to prove that they do, in fact, work.

52:37Hailey Benton Gates:No, but I just think it's such a fucking shame because that's where everything comes from. That's your fucking... Sorry, I keep pointing to things.

52:48Jason Stewart:Without the eyebrows, Jim Carrey would not have a career.

52:50Hailey Benton Gates:But anything, it's like you can't see a cry build or somebody maybe constipated, for example.

53:02Chris Black:That's what I pay my$15 to see.

53:05Hailey Benton Gates:Well, come to see it, Tropia.

53:09Jason Stewart:I forgot about the constipation story arc as well.

53:12Chris Black:But do you think this is simply, I mean, obviously vanity is the major factor, but do you think it's because a lot of these people are forced to look at themselves so much that they really can pick apart what the perceived issues are and then they go correct them to the point where it goes too far?

53:28Hailey Benton Gates:I mean, I don't want to like pathologize the reasons for it, but I just as like a director want to work with people who's got, you know, loose eyebrows.

53:36Chris Black:Sure.

53:37Jason Stewart:People with a natural malleable face that hasn't been frozen with injectables. Got it, got it.

53:44Hailey Benton Gates:Got it, got it. I mean, unless it's like part of the story. But even when it was like part of the story, well, no, never mind.

53:54Chris Black:Don't talk about Nicole Kidman like that. She's not here to defend herself.

53:58Hailey Benton Gates:It's true.

54:02Jason Stewart:um well the thing that i was noticing about the film even though it like it was it was taking place in like 2006 ish yeah but it also felt as if it was in the not too distant future so it was it was i felt like i was watching something like you you have created a fictional

54:22Hailey Benton Gates:world and a place which is basically no no it's a real place okay it's a it's a real place but

54:29Jason Stewart:yeah um okay sorry it's a real place maybe a lot of people did not know it existed but it feels like something i guess the story involving this place feels like something that could be happening in the future people who work as actors in these war simulation you know theme park training facilities are going to use that as a way to find fame in our in our not too distant dystopian land yeah you know i'm going to become an actor at this military camp playing an iraqi mustard gas scientist and then channing tatum's going to come and discover me and i'm going to be a movie star and life is good but uh it so it had me thinking like oh damn this is what's going to happen in the future but it was also 20 years ago so you kind of have that fun little you know vintage throwback feel to when all of all of our you know prime prime time heyday was 2006-ish you know you're younger than us but you know you're i'm sure you were thriving in 2006 i had my driver's

55:34Hailey Benton Gates:license that was exciting yeah no it's crazy i mean you know it's strange to be in puerto rico right now because there there's an island off of puerto rico that they used to use for training and they were just the navy was kind of like playing with every bomb they were testing and Venezuela is just, you know, right in front of us here. And it sits on like an ocean of fucking oil. There's more oil in Venezuela than there is in the whole of the Middle East. And they're basically seemingly trying to like manufacture consent again, to go invade a place with an ocean of oil that, you know, maybe is a little bit closer to America.

56:24Hailey Benton Gates:So your gas prices might

56:26Jason Stewart:get lower a little sooner it's very convenient say a little time let's just you know why not so we just have to say that they have fentanyl and then they're terrorists the fentanyl terrorists so we better go in there and take over their country exactly maybe a little oil could come

56:40Hailey Benton Gates:along with it it's definitely you know prescient and and they also are i mean the so they basically built these chris you want me to explain this to you sure do you understand what we're talking about because it's a little oblique the way that we've been talking.

56:58Chris Black:I mean, I understand it enough. He can get it. Basically,

57:01Hailey Benton Gates:after 9-11, they built... Hollywood set builders were hired to build these Iraqi villages. You actually explained

57:11Chris Black:this to me before. Oh, I did? Yeah, you've explained this to me before.

57:14Hailey Benton Gates:At Charlie's Wedding?

57:15Chris Black:Yes.

57:16Hailey Benton Gates:Okay, I was like, I couldn't remember. I was like, the only thing I remember saying to you was if someone asks you to have a meeting for breakfast they're a sex pest i'm i'm famously anti that's chris time i

57:32Chris Black:don't breakfast meeting but that's what we were talking about we were like if you want to have a

57:37Hailey Benton Gates:breakfast meeting like thou dot protest too much you know it's like there's you are hiding something

57:43Chris Black:no 100 yep don't can't trust that no deals getting done yeah but anyway the only way i'm not raping

57:50Hailey Benton Gates:is at breakfast but anyway they they built these villages they were they were sort of you know essentially look like kind of aladdin sets and they were mostly iraq and afghanistan and then um they've since now been going through like a turnover of russian and like south china sea and you know kind of all all the places where they're able to pivot to our new targets but they're all over southern california like la you don't think about it but it's southern california is one of the most militarized parts of the entire united states like if you drive an

58:31Chris Black:hour in any direction you're gonna hit a base i've been to orange county before i see what's going

58:35Jason Stewart:yeah i mean i grew up very close to the naval base and like when the pendleton no not pendleton like the naval base in like uh long beach seal beach kind of oh yeah yeah and my brother and i we used to go like ride BMX bikes with all the cool older kids who would like smoke weed and go like BMXing over there and you would discover like bunkers and like turrets and you know

58:58Chris Black:World War II. Why do you think California is such a fertile ground for this?

59:03Jason Stewart:It was it was like a target in World War II with with Japan so we had to really boost up that LA coastline because more you know you want to you want to bomb la more than eureka or humble or so the next line of

59:20Chris Black:salem oregon technically yeah sure you might as well make a real dent make a real dent i'm no i'm

59:27Jason Stewart:no uh i'm no shame gillis i don't know all the ww2 stuff but it's definitely like but the set

59:33Hailey Benton Gates:building in particular obviously has there's a real uh military to hollywood pipeline and it's

59:40Jason Stewart:smart as a independent filmmaker to be like the what we want to achieve if we were to build the sets ourselves we i'm assuming you wouldn't have the budget to do that so yeah being able to rent out these places that were designed by the people who would make them in hollywood if you were to hire them yeah is you know it's almost like a peer space but for a call of duty modern warfare to set

1:00:03Hailey Benton Gates:The place that we shot at is a movie ranch. And it was built at the same time. It's where they shot everything from American Sniper to...

1:00:16Jason Stewart:Sniper to...

1:00:18Hailey Benton Gates:I actually... There's a Marvel movie where somebody's an arms dealer or something.

1:00:22Jason Stewart:You're talking to the wrong Stragots, baby.

1:00:25Hailey Benton Gates:I'm talking to the wrong... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:00:26Jason Stewart:Me no no.

1:00:27Hailey Benton Gates:I thought you were going to help me.

1:00:28Chris Black:I just like real war. I don't like this play war shit. I'm more of a... You know what I mean?

1:00:33Hailey Benton Gates:You like real war?

1:00:34Chris Black:Yeah, when the stuff's actually happening. He's watching Drudge Report.

1:00:38Jason Stewart:He's checking out CNN. He's not doing this Hollywood bullshit.

1:00:42Hailey Benton Gates:I'm kind of into the new Department of War name.

1:00:46Chris Black:Department of War.

1:00:47Hailey Benton Gates:Because at least they're just saying what they're doing now. They're like, this is what we're doing.

1:00:52Chris Black:It sounds like a hardcore band, but it also does level. It just level sets.

1:00:58Hailey Benton Gates:It's so wild.

1:01:00Jason Stewart:Defense is like, in case something happens, we have a military hopefully we'll never have to use it and they're saying like we are on the

1:01:06Chris Black:offense it's cool because that came and went i just feel like there's so much stuff happening that that is so insane but it really came and went pretty fast as far as it's so insane nobody really was like oh shit that's crazy and then it was on to the next thing also i guess pete

1:01:21Hailey Benton Gates:hegseth was like interviewed after trump uh designated uh maduro terrace and he was like this opens up a lot of options for us. It's so insane. It's so much easier to warn. They really just say the quiet part out loud all the time now. And so it's really difficult because you can't really get mad. I mean, you need to get mad, but it's like, you know, they just hand it to you.

1:01:45Chris Black:That sort of radical honesty does put people on their heels, I would say, as far as what their response can be, because it is jarring after being lied to for your entire adult life, you know, by these people. So I think it is. Totally. I don't think it's on purpose. I don't think they get what they're doing, but I think it works by accident almost.

1:02:04Jason Stewart:Yeah. I noticed a through line I wanted to ask you if this was an inspiration for you on the film. I kind of felt like I was getting a lot of wet, hot American summer, but it was like a Camp Pendleton versus a summer camp.

1:02:20Hailey Benton Gates:I was thinking more like Team America World Police.

1:02:25Jason Stewart:I see some of that as well. I think maybe with like the loudspeaker announcement to everyone. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was really.

1:02:32Hailey Benton Gates:Have you ever seen MASH?

1:02:34Jason Stewart:I have seen MASH, yeah. They also do that? You mean the most popular TV show ever made? No, I mean the movie. Yeah. I think I must have seen that.

1:02:44Hailey Benton Gates:MASH.

1:02:44Jason Stewart:When I was younger.

1:02:46Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, Robert Altman film.

1:02:48Jason Stewart:Sure.

1:02:49Hailey Benton Gates:That is full of really, really stupid jokes. Yeah. That are wonderful. and so but he really famously kind of during the edit panicked and decided to shoot all these loudspeakers to like make the movie make more sense um and so as we were i you know wanted to

1:03:11Jason Stewart:have a loudspeaker in nod to him i need a speaker moment yeah a speaker moment um i also liked using the ipod as like a torture device in the film yeah i thought that was really interesting without without giving it away as well but yeah i really like your your vision of the kind of the military corporal punishment tactics you know we woven into that 2006 era well all of the things in it

1:03:41Hailey Benton Gates:are based on my just absolutely demented research so most of it is real like they really made the families dress up on thanksgiving the the animatronics that are in there were real animatronics that they used on the base uh the first one i went through was at pendleton and i was with this squadron of boys going through and they have i think the first uh village that they built was in this old tomato factory and it's basically like it's like an escape room or like a haunted house kind of it's the most goofy hold on hold on hold on what's a tomato factory it's like it's i don't know that's what they told me it was it's like a big hanger okay because those

1:04:27Chris Black:are grown outdoors so i was confused yeah yeah well it's outdoor it's sort of like wasn't sure if it was like a euphemism for something yeah i thought you were using some military speak i

1:04:35Jason Stewart:wasn't like when you describe a boxer who loses a lot he'd be a tomato can you know what i mean like is that real yeah people like a guy who i thought you guys aren't into boxing if you if you get hit and bleed a lot you're you can be dubbed a tomato can a guy who bleeds a lot that's a pretty or lady i guess that's a pretty fun way to put it oh a tomato can yeah yeah tomato can you

1:04:57Hailey Benton Gates:have friends that bleed a lot at parties i haven't seen someone bleed in a while if i'm being honest

1:05:02Chris Black:with you?

1:05:02Jason Stewart:You gotta check out her new film. It's in theaters December 11th.

1:05:06Chris Black:I'm talking like real life bleeding. When's the last time you've seen like real life? I was bleeding yesterday. I got a bandaid on there right now.

1:05:13Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, yeah. Seeing somebody bleed at a party. That's a good question.

1:05:16Chris Black:You got a boo-boo from hanging up Christmas lights. We're talking about like bleeding.

1:05:20Hailey Benton Gates:Definitely. How'd you get that

1:05:22Chris Black:cut, Jason? Hanging up Christmas lights. That's right.

1:05:25Hailey Benton Gates:Really?

1:05:26Chris Black:Blood is blood. I don't think I've ever seen anyone, not at a party. I've never seen someone just get punched for like mouthing off in my entire life.

1:05:34Hailey Benton Gates:I haven't seen someone get socked in a while.

1:05:37Jason Stewart:Y 'all are some bitches. I mean, not you, him. I'm sure Haley has seen a lot of people get punched at a party. Working at Vice?

1:05:45Hailey Benton Gates:I've seen some

1:05:46Chris Black:scuffling and a tackle, but I've never seen someone get straight up punched like broken nose at a party. Really? That feels like something from a teen movie.

1:05:55Hailey Benton Gates:I guess. I went to parties as a teen.

1:05:58Jason Stewart:That's where the punching happens. No, good point.

1:06:00Chris Black:Good point. Maybe I'm a pussy.

1:06:02Jason Stewart:No, no, no. You're not, Chris. You're just hanging out with these Hollywood types too much. Not a lot of punching over at your little W Magazine galas and stuff, you know?

1:06:09Chris Black:I would love to get punched. I definitely deserve it.

1:06:12Jason Stewart:Ooh. Ooh. Okay.

1:06:14Chris Black:Not you.

1:06:15Jason Stewart:Squirt kink. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, you definitely do deserve it, of course.

1:06:21Chris Black:That's the kind of blood I like. I was going to ask you, during your Vice heyday, did you ever get taken to Atlantic City to gamble? on the helicopter with Shane?

1:06:33Hailey Benton Gates:No.

1:06:34Chris Black:No?

1:06:35Hailey Benton Gates:No.

1:06:35Chris Black:Wow. Wow, that's crazy. I guess that was maybe fellas only.

1:06:40Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, it was a woman, yeah.

1:06:41Chris Black:Because you seem like somebody who would gamble, I have to say. Not with your life. Not with your life. I like some blackjack.

1:06:48Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I didn't. But it was so funny. I do remember we showed up in Russia and there was a fixer and he was like it was the first day we landed and we went straight to work and then that night he was like so tonight we go to strip club and i was like what classic russian fixer and then he and i was like what do you mean he was like well it's shane you know like we go to strip club and gamble and he bought me new shoes the paperwork says vice magazine there's i was like you're gonna get up at 5 a.m tomorrow and we're gonna work so it wasn't okay it wasn't as fun i feel

1:07:30Chris Black:like i feel like a russian fixer would be able to burn it at both ends if anyone could but i guess it's smarter to get a nice sleep before 5 a.m wake up yeah we were just like in siberia you know

1:07:43Hailey Benton Gates:i mean we have we drink it wasn't like you know sure sure sure i'm not a narc it was just like Hey, you're cool. We got it. I was like, I don't have money to give you to gamble for your slippers.

1:07:56Chris Black:It was supposed to be. Oh, I understand. You were going to be paying for it, so you were less interested.

1:08:00Hailey Benton Gates:I think there was sort of this feeling of we all get to.

1:08:04Jason Stewart:More fun when Shane is there.

1:08:07Hailey Benton Gates:I just didn't spend time with him. I just think he wasn't very interested in what I was doing.

1:08:12Chris Black:But I feel like your show is pretty popular, though. It was well-liked, wasn't it?

1:08:15Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, but he didn't say this, but there would be meetings where they'd be like, you know what the problem with this show is? There's too many women working on it. It was like that kind of thing where you're like, okay. You're saying not just in front of the camera,

1:08:28Chris Black:but also behind the camera.

1:08:29Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, I don't know. They just didn't want to like, we had our own kind of little island and we kept to ourselves and stuff.

1:08:35Chris Black:Which is probably for, I mean, that's probably for the best.

1:08:38Hailey Benton Gates:I had also like come from the Paris Review, which was like.

1:08:42Chris Black:Not Vice?

1:08:43Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, and everybody would make fun of me at Vice for like dressing up for work.

1:08:50Jason Stewart:yeah i guess that must be a very stark difference of switching from because you were you were

1:08:57Hailey Benton Gates:editor ish i was i was head of advertising and promotions and then advisory editor

1:09:03Jason Stewart:advisory editor that's right okay so going from there paris review i've been to a couple of their parties we all know the vibe a very literary yeah well-educated kind of ivy leagy vibe and then going over the bridge to the vice i mean they were both they were both like five o 'clock somewhere places right i was gonna i was gonna say i think there's maybe more yeah no no there was but it was just one's beef eater one's pbr but yeah

1:09:29Chris Black:yeah everybody does cocaine that's the thing that's a good through line both would let you

1:09:34Hailey Benton Gates:smoke indoors i'm assuming yeah yeah there was a lot of smoking yeah there was a lot of smoking

1:09:39Jason Stewart:maybe more indoor smoking at a Paris review party but when you say

1:09:44Chris Black:dress up do you just mean wear normal clothes?

1:09:47Hailey Benton Gates:yeah and they would all make fun of me or they would be leaving work and they would be like what are you still doing here and I'm like making a show it's so this is so hard

1:09:59Jason Stewart:yeah but Grimes is playing at the Union Pool what the fuck is wrong with you we gotta go

1:10:05Hailey Benton Gates:it's happy hour though

1:10:07Jason Stewart:the oysters are really cheap Yeah, we got to go to pies and thighs, bro.

1:10:10Hailey Benton Gates:And then you're like, all the fancy snacks are gone. And you're like, something's happening.

1:10:17Chris Black:The fancy snack disappearing act is the writing on the wall for any funded company, I feel like. When the stump town -

1:10:25Jason Stewart:We go from Ascensia.

1:10:27Chris Black:Ascensia's gone. Dasani's in. That's funny. When the kind bars are in, you know it's time to go. You know it's time to - Let me look. Oats and honey.

1:10:34Jason Stewart:Okay. I'm going to start looking around for a new job.

1:10:36Chris Black:This is worse than flying. I'm like, coach, I got to look for a new job.

1:10:39Hailey Benton Gates:Nutri-grain crumbs everywhere. Or no, what is those ones that are everywhere? Nature Valley.

1:10:45Chris Black:That's what you're saying. What flavor is it? Oats and honey. I'll always love an oats and honey.

1:10:50Hailey Benton Gates:You take a bite and it's just like detritus all over you.

1:10:54Chris Black:They do taste good, though.

1:10:55Jason Stewart:They really do taste good. I love what I have to say.

1:10:57Hailey Benton Gates:It's like drywall.

1:11:00Jason Stewart:Yeah, but also, I mean, as somebody who's a good spitter, I think you probably have enough good mouth control. I feel like I can eat an oats and honey you know in a silent surgical way to avoid any crumb detritus all over the place

1:11:15Hailey Benton Gates:enough about my mouth control Jason I'm talking about my mouth I can't believe the publicist is also listening to this whole thing they're going to be like this sounds like porn like this is horrible are you trying to sell movie tickets or not

1:11:30Jason Stewart:this is what happens please go see my movie

1:11:34Hailey Benton Gates:I'm really good at spitting With

1:11:39Chris Black:Alright so with a movie like this What do you consider a success Like just getting it done Is sort of the success Or where's your kind of Gauge

1:11:49Hailey Benton Gates:Well you know I've never done this before

1:11:53Chris Black:So finishing is a success

1:11:55Hailey Benton Gates:So making it is insane We shot the movie in 19 days Which is like Maybe it means nothing to you but like that's short marty supreme is probably like 75 i don't ever want to hear about marty

1:12:08Chris Black:supreme again but i'll allow it in this i'll allow it in this case um just as an example

1:12:13Hailey Benton Gates:uh we made it independently we played at sundance we won which was great and then people were kind of afraid of the movie they thought it was too political you're saying after you won and

1:12:28Chris Black:people were like paying attention they were like oh i like this but i can't give you any money

1:12:32Hailey Benton Gates:because it's too political yeah and then we found a very brave wonderful distributor to put it out and so now it's going to come out and you know it's up to the people sure but i guess what is

1:12:46Chris Black:the eventual goal after it comes out in theaters that it goes somewhere so it's it's easier to

1:12:50Hailey Benton Gates:watch i just want it to be in theaters so people go see it sure sure oh fuck i'm getting a note it's december 12th but there's okay oh but there is a boy but there is this but december 11th is like a sneak peek i guess i'm not supposed to ruin the surprise well this is a this is a this is a

1:13:12Jason Stewart:sneak peek audience you know many of the people in attendance already listen to the pod so it's fine they're sneaky but i mean i guess chris like chris was saying he he wrote something a few weeks ago about how everyone is a little too obsessed with the box office budgets versus uh-huh you know

1:13:29Chris Black:i mean i mean people but the point people outside of people that don't do it for a living people

1:13:33Jason Stewart:who don't work in the you know just a random guy on instagram who is like oh the budget for after the hunt was 80 million dollars and we grossed 9.3 worldwide and we haven't factored in china yet

1:13:44Hailey Benton Gates:but you know right right right well we made the movie very cheaply and i'm really proud of it and the movie rocks and it's super weird and i love it and so who you said independently made yeah

1:13:56Jason Stewart:does that mean you came out of pocket no okay i have i have uh we have a financial financiers yeah

1:14:02Hailey Benton Gates:yeah okay okay um got it but yeah i mean independent film in america is it's a graveyard it's a graveyard a labor of love no it's i mean i'm i'm just really excited it's I think when I was in Japan, a Japanese friend saw it and she said to me,

1:14:21Jason Stewart:Do the voice?

1:14:22Hailey Benton Gates:This is not like anything I've ever seen. Yeah. For me, that's a success.

1:14:27Jason Stewart:I agree. It is something I've never seen and it's a storyline. When you're watching it and as soon as I realized what was happening, I was like, oh, this is a very fun idea for a movie. I'm just curious to see how this idea plays out Because it's rare where you're like This is a movie about something that I've never heard of before And I'm interested in it Versus like Oh this is a cool obtuse project Look on you know blah blah blah Yes it's novel and new But I don't really care how it ends I was very curious to see how your film ended Which to me is a benchmark of any good film you know You have to care about what happens

1:15:08Hailey Benton Gates:Chris is now asleep

1:15:12Chris Black:Chris said movie I don't watch movies I mean to be honest with you I just don't watch movies

1:15:16Hailey Benton Gates:So you wrote about box office but you don't watch movies that's so nerdy

1:15:19Chris Black:Yeah because people because people won't shut up about it that's the problem

1:15:24Jason Stewart:He wrote about the nerdiness of the people who don't work in the biz But this is true about

1:15:29Chris Black:this is true about any sort of art form is that because we have access to all the data people can't help themselves in analyzing the data when it has sort of no effect on them

1:15:38Jason Stewart:is what and also the stan culture of like i don't like sabrina carpenter so when one of her shows doesn't sell out in in des moines and i pulled up the ticket master report and more like oh this you know hayley's new film is pulling up and i go to the amc website and look it's not even halfway sold out yet on opening you know like that kind of shit where it's like y 'all y 'all really need

1:16:02Hailey Benton Gates:to get a life like money schadenfreude yeah i just don't i that's pretty lame i mean i i think it's for me like the the joy of doing this is when people see the movie and have a nice time yeah

1:16:17Chris Black:well that's well that's what it should be about for everything that's the whole point is like if

1:16:21Jason Stewart:you like it then it was a success yeah i think we need to unfry people's brains because before just a movie being good and enjoyable and liking it was enough and now people we need data and information to form our opinions about something so what is the point of seeing something if it wasn't a financial success and i think a lot of people have that thought and i think that everything that i've ever loved was not a financial success good yeah so i i mean i can't say i can't go that

1:16:51Chris Black:I can't go that far, but it's like... Well, I mean, with music, it's crazy because you can go on Spotify.

1:16:57Hailey Benton Gates:Because you love Transformers?

1:16:58Chris Black:Yeah.

1:17:00Jason Stewart:That's the only Blu-ray I have, so it's funny. Bro, John Waters is her Transformers, okay? She's kind of a different chick.

1:17:07Hailey Benton Gates:I'm so funky.

1:17:12Jason Stewart:No, I love Starship Troopers. Okay. You know. That is a little funky, though.

1:17:20Hailey Benton Gates:I love Verhoeven.

1:17:21Jason Stewart:What are you drinking, by the way?

1:17:24Hailey Benton Gates:It's the worst idea to drink while we're doing this. I'm really sorry.

1:17:27Chris Black:No, what is it?

1:17:28Hailey Benton Gates:It's called a Coloso, and it has this actually like Jean-Claude Van Dam looking guy on it. That guy's kind of hot.

1:17:35Jason Stewart:It's a coconut water with pulp. Yeah. You got a Chad coconut water.

1:17:40Hailey Benton Gates:I know, and I'm really sorry because it has these like

1:17:44Jason Stewart:small pieces. You're chewing on those little bobo. I know.

1:17:46Hailey Benton Gates:This is so gross. I'm sorry.

1:17:48Jason Stewart:Do you think it's a possibility that we could get a little, maybe spit one of those little coconut pulp chunks through the teeth.

1:17:56Chris Black:Wow. You know she's been thinking about that the whole time and just holding back. She's been holding back. And I appreciate your restraint. It shows growth.

1:18:05Hailey Benton Gates:It's really hard for me. I can feel the publicist sending another note being like, do not spit.

1:18:14Chris Black:How would you rate that drink? Because I like pulp in my coconut water.

1:18:19Hailey Benton Gates:how would you rate it out of 10 i really i love drinks i love drinks with weird things in them

1:18:25Jason Stewart:very trumping of you to say that i love drinks i love drinks with things i have the best drinks

1:18:32Hailey Benton Gates:um it's a tremendous beverage tremendous drinks everybody says my drinks are wonderful

1:18:38Jason Stewart:um you know what is there sugar added to that yes that's the only sad part i know i know Come back to the mainland where the harmless harvest flows like wine.

1:18:49Hailey Benton Gates:Look, this one also has something in it.

1:18:51Chris Black:Oh, so you're just going to the store and buying whatever freaky shit you can find. Yeah. You know they have regular water there you can drink.

1:18:58Hailey Benton Gates:Wait, also look what I got. This kind of like Pedialyte Gatorade.

1:19:01Chris Black:Oh, yeah. I'm familiar with that.

1:19:03Hailey Benton Gates:You like this?

1:19:03Chris Black:You have a twisted. This is your. Okay, so this is your. You're like a hungover chick at brunch right now. The amount of drunk. You got a coffee?

1:19:10Hailey Benton Gates:I love drinks.

1:19:11Chris Black:Do you have a coffee too?

1:19:12Hailey Benton Gates:No, it's like kind of late.

1:19:14Chris Black:Okay, so you have three drinks. Is there another one you're hiding from us, or you got three?

1:19:19Hailey Benton Gates:I think that's all I have.

1:19:21Chris Black:Okay.

1:19:22Hailey Benton Gates:Did you know that pina colada was invented here?

1:19:24Chris Black:No. Wow.

1:19:27Hailey Benton Gates:I wish I had one right now.

1:19:29Chris Black:That would be so fun. Okay, well, you can go get a pina colada as soon as we finish. I'm sure you have some work to do, but you could kind of have a nightcap, I'm sure.

1:19:36Jason Stewart:Bang out a couple emails, hit the airport hotel bar. So you don't know how much longer you're going to be there?

1:19:41Hailey Benton Gates:Yeah, I'm sort of deciding whether to stay for Thanksgiving or not. They also celebrate Thanksgiving here because it's America. Yeah, yeah. But also, it sort of feels like that's the time Trump would do some funny business, you know, when people are distracted.

1:20:00Chris Black:So you're trying to be there for the funny business and you're just kind of having to wait it out and feel it emotionally.

1:20:07Jason Stewart:You don't want to be around for a Turkey Day Venezuelan bombing.

1:20:11Hailey Benton Gates:There is a Thanksgiving massacre in my movie, actually.

1:20:15Chris Black:This is too – do you want to die? Like, what's the vibe here? I don't understand. No, no, no, no.

1:20:18Hailey Benton Gates:No, I'm actually – no, no. I haven't decided whether I'm going to stay for Thanksgiving and go back to New York.

1:20:24Chris Black:But the way you're talking about it is you want to see some shit go down is what it sounds like to me.

1:20:28Hailey Benton Gates:No, no. I was saying should I try to leave before or stay?

1:20:31Chris Black:Should you flee before you are maybe unable to flee?

1:20:35Hailey Benton Gates:It doesn't seem that dire.

1:20:37Chris Black:Did you get any oil or are you good? You don't have any oil.

1:20:40Hailey Benton Gates:I have a big purse full of oil I swam to Venezuela and sucked up some oil smart gap

1:20:51Chris Black:I was able to put a lot of oil in this one Mew Mew bag I brought it's going to be fine I'll be able to get it back over

1:21:00Jason Stewart:I'll be able to get it through security

1:21:02Chris Black:well Haley

1:21:04Jason Stewart:oil baron and independent filmmaker thank you so much for taking the time to chat with us the the new film is out december 12th if you're a regular civilian december 12th december 11th if you're cool and live in la or new york and get invited to new york just new york in january okay beautiful beautiful and the film is called atropia which is a based on a fictional country that happens that exists in real life yeah and i like the flag colors too thanks you didn't really create the flag i didn't create the flag of atropia i don't think so uh which one are

1:21:41Hailey Benton Gates:you talking about the one on online or the one in the movie the one online which one are you talking about well the one no because for some reason the art department couldn't clear the one online it was so you did actually created that so we did make one flag stuff is notoriously tough i just i

1:22:03Jason Stewart:uploaded a flag to the chat. Oh, this is a nice flag.

1:22:06Chris Black:You got this tatted on you? This would be a nice tat for you on your upper arm.

1:22:10Hailey Benton Gates:I don't have any tats. I'm not a loser.

1:22:13Chris Black:No, women shouldn't have tats. Okay, that's all the time we have for you, Haley.

1:22:17Hailey Benton Gates:Oh, wait. You have lots of tats?

1:22:18Chris Black:Men can do stuff because the page, you know, etc. We've been given a right to look stupid.

1:22:22Hailey Benton Gates:I agree. I agree.

1:22:23Chris Black:Great flag, though. Okay, well, thank you. Thank you.

1:22:25Jason Stewart:We appreciate you.

1:22:27Hailey Benton Gates:Thank you so much. I'll tell you about some...

1:22:30Jason Stewart:She's going to give you the Japan download As soon as we log off Send me your list

1:22:35Hailey Benton Gates:Where are the best pancakes

1:22:36Jason Stewart:This is my Osaka

1:22:39Hailey Benton Gates:Alright I'm going to go find some oil Thanks guys

1:22:43Chris Black:If you don't bring me back a little vial of oil You're in fucking trouble

1:22:46Jason Stewart:You're allowed up to 2.7 ounces of oil In your carry on Don't forget that Haley

1:22:51Chris Black:Dump out your skin care and fill it up with some fucking oil We've got to figure this out

1:22:55Hailey Benton Gates:Oh god

1:22:57Chris Black:This was a disaster

1:23:00Jason Stewart:Okay, we'll see you on Spotify tomorrow Bye Tomorrow? Tomorrow, bitch This is happening The first day of the rest of your life

1:23:07Hailey Benton Gates:Oh, God Happy Thanksgiving

1:23:09Chris Black:Get ready for a bunch of followers you don't want No

1:23:13Jason Stewart:Okay, bye

1:23:13Hailey Benton Gates:I'm going to post a picture of Charles Manson That's how I like to get them out Okay Bye

1:23:34Thank you.

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