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9:07Daniel Lopatin:Sounds pretty good. Barbecue chips are a classic dish that makes me want to shower for some reason. So I can't really have those.

9:15Jason Stewart:I love you calling a KC Masterpiece Lays a dish. I can't have those. But I was going to tell you. But yeah, 100%, I need to shower after eating barbecue chips.

9:23Daniel Lopatin:Something about it, man.

9:24Jason Stewart:I'm with you on that.

9:25Daniel Lopatin:I went to Bobbo last night, the new Bobbo. And let me tell you something, boy. That shit was banging. They didn't cancel the flavors? They didn't cancel the flavor, boy. I had some crudo. I had some crudo I had some pasta but you didn't

9:40Jason Stewart:you didn't do beef again though did you no no that was that long

9:42Daniel Lopatin:but I had something I never had before which is it was a swordfish milanese and it was delicious I loved it I never had that before I had a nice arugula salad we of course splurged on the polenta

9:54Jason Stewart:were there olives in play on the finish or no

9:56Daniel Lopatin:no no it was quite good we had I was just I didn't know what to expect and it was very very good and very busy and they didn't fuck up the interior they just updated

10:07Jason Stewart:a little bit so it feels the same so shit look that should look like the same but it just has usbc chargers on the tables now so the old ones no but when you look in the kitchen you and you

10:17Daniel Lopatin:look under the past you don't see any orange crocs in there it's just croc free zone but it was but i was just like this restaurant is fucking it just it was also like a cold night in new york it's like that kind of restaurant it was good it was busy it felt nice to be in that environment

10:32Jason Stewart:You come in. What's the little, the area, the door that you enter before you go in the restaurant for the rain? It's like a rain door, a weather door.

10:42Daniel Lopatin:You could call it a vestibule if you're being generous, but I think. I don't know.

10:46Jason Stewart:Just crowd into the vestibule with you and seven other strangers while you dust the snow off of your North Face Skims collab scarf? Well, I had an issue last night where I did the thing.

10:58Daniel Lopatin:I got a haircut, and I was like, all right, I'm a city bike. This is the easiest way to get there. No problem. I get to the restaurant on time. Four different city bike locations were full because no one uses them in the winter at night. So I ended up being late for dinner, which really annoyed me.

11:14Jason Stewart:So you mean it was so full that you could not dock?

11:17Daniel Lopatin:I couldn't find a place to dock. And in London, you just leave them on the street. It doesn't matter. You know what I mean? It's like throwing trash in the ground.

11:24Jason Stewart:The dark side of city biking. It's all fun and games until you either, you show up to the, we got one more electric bitch over here. You show up. It's either a guy pulling it out as you're pulling it up, or you go over and it says, you know, it's got one mile left on it. It's about to die on you. Or if you show up to a very important event and the dock is full. Dude, I was circling the block and I had to have my phone out because I was trying to find that. It was, it was not pretty. I would like to see one day in the future where you pay a person 20 bucks to dock for you.

11:54Daniel Lopatin:Great idea. I had somebody do that once on a shoot and it was really cool. I was like, sorry. Keep it running, kid. I can't dock. Alright, our guest is here today. He showed up on time. This motherfucker prompt.

12:04Jason Stewart:Stay on mute really quick, Dan. We're just going to intro you. We have our friend Daniel 1-0 tricks point never on the pod. Long time coming. His new record came out, what, a couple weeks ago? Something like that? I've been playing it with and without marijuana. The album's called Tranquilizer. It's on Spotify right now.

12:28Daniel Lopatin:What's fucked up, Jason, is I've even been listening to it, and I like it, which is, you know.

12:33Jason Stewart:That's crazy.

12:34Daniel Lopatin:I'm shocked, too. I'm shocked, too.

12:36Jason Stewart:Speaking of his album, he's muted. That's good. But, you know, Chris has found the dark side of his moon with this album. He's normally not an ambient head. And today I was walking the dog listening to this shit, and I was like, oh, damn, Daniel's in his dark side of the moon bag. So let's give him a call. he's transcended vaporwave and now he's it's days until he's playing the sphere i predict transcended vaporwave and i'm classic rock this episode of how long gone is brought to you by

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13:18Jason Stewart:of questions but how often because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet

13:22Daniel Lopatin:spot how many times do they do three times a week and i i have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do that's

13:32Jason Stewart:just a guess the guardian is not some billionaire owned platform they're not afraid to say what

13:38Daniel Lopatin:they want to say brother yeah rupert ain't sniffing around in in what uh journalists kai right and carter sherman are up to over there at uh stateside but yeah listen wherever you get your podcast you can watch on youtube is three times a week and and who couldn't use more news you know especially especially when it's when it's not you know from here let's say give it give it a listen give it a listen every time i go to the doctor i walk out of that bitch feeling dumb i got no real info this guy in a white coat just say you're fine you know drink more water he knows how to charge my copay exactly that's about it as if i could drink more water doctor i don't get data I don't get a game plan.

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15:24Daniel Lopatin:That's a pretty good place to be.

15:26Jason Stewart:No, we can't call Pink Floyd classic rock. There's so much more than that. I don't. I think they sort of define. I know.

15:34Daniel Lopatin:I totally agree. Better or worse, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin define classic rock. They define classic rock. More to me than like Chicago. or whatever you know what i mean uh yeah well there's different sides of floyd and there's different eras and we got to get specific but we won't we shouldn't well yeah we're talking dark

15:52Jason Stewart:side i mean i i maybe it's on the brain because i recently saw a video of uh of gilmore with all of his like crazy analog synth gear from the 60s or whatever you know some i saw that it's like the godfather of all of this shit you know any type of electronic music so i don't i mean it transcends the classic rock i don't do you know what those synths he was using yeah i saw that sequencers are yeah he was he was demonstrating the really fast arpeggiated little sequencer line in in that track

16:26Daniel Lopatin:from dark side of the moon i think this is the problem though this is the problem but he started

16:32Jason Stewart:He started out slow. He started out slow like it was a TikTok video. It was going like this.

16:37Daniel Lopatin:I don't want David Gilmour doing that. Chris, do you feel like when you hear people talk like this, Chris, is it just basically the equivalent of air drumming to Rush or something? It's like corny guy shit. No, actually, I really like it because I feel like I learned something. Because the way I think about music is simply do I like this or not, kind of. Because I don't know how to play an instrument. I don't really get into the minutiae of it all, but Jason has taught, Jason has given me over the years of our friendship, a class that people would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for in electronic music.

17:12Daniel Lopatin:And I, and he does, he does a great job. And I've said this before, he does a great job of sort of feeding me the stuff.

17:19Jason Stewart:Synthesizing the information?

17:20Daniel Lopatin:No, I wouldn't, no chat GBT. I mean, like he, he sends me, he'll find something and be like, I think you'll like this. And I would say nine times out of 10, he's correct. When it's something that might not have come across my desk. Otherwise I'll say. That's cool. Well, can I ask you guys another question? Because I'm not too familiar with your oeuvre. But other than Jason being an electronic music head and Chris, you're more... Daniel, can you play guitar? Level with me. Me? Yeah. No, like barely. I mean, bar chords and like a little finger-picking basic stuff. You can play a little. We'll find a way to get through this.

17:57A little bit. I played guitar. Yeah, I played guitar a little bit on one of my records, actually. Yeah, Magic Wonder Tricks Point. And I played guitar on a very, very early recording on an old anthology of mine called Riffs. There's a track called I Know It's Taking Pictures from Another Plane Inside Your Son. That was the name of the song.

18:17Jason Stewart:Boy, you got a Wonder Tricks Point Never Ask song title right there. God damn. Is that it? I know. That sounds like it's from a song. You're like, even I have outdone myself on that one. Wow. And I really was just trying to copy Ray Davies and Beck, actually. I was really into Beck. What's his record that's like the Os Mutantes kind of? B-Change. Well, that record before that. Mutations. I loved Mutations. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I loved The Kinks. I love Rodcast. I love a lot of guitar music. I love My Bloody Valentine. I love tons of guitar music. I'm not surprised.

18:51Daniel Lopatin:I assumed that your taste would be wide-ranging and good. I'm sorry, but what were you going to ask? what were you going to ask me though oh i was gonna say well like if you guys beyond that beyond that what's the basically like the vibe a dichotomy the vibe dialectic between you guys how else are

19:08Jason Stewart:you guys sort of different or contrasting oh all the ways that we yin and yang each other yeah i'm glad you asked daniel yeah glad you asked yeah i mean he's he's a little more country i'm a little more apex and that's that's the first one but um he's sober and i do drugs he's vegan and i eat oh cool okay everything he's a dick i'm a prick i'm trying to think of all the ones we've gone over there is a difference but you're you guys are kind of exemplary of like if if if the us of a our great nation actually got our shit together it'd be like you guys like if we could all just

19:46Daniel Lopatin:kind of agree you know yeah damn you know what we're a great example for we're we're we're a great example for our friends in washington and if any of them are paying time if any of them are

19:58Jason Stewart:paying attention this is a long play as we make our way to the you know our road to the white house

20:03Daniel Lopatin:it's funny you say that daniel because i've been encouraging jason uh because he lives in glendale and it's it's a fairly small community you know near los angeles and i think if he if we did it right, we could get him into local office and kind of start his career there. Maybe he's on the school board. Maybe he's the comptroller. Something light, and then we kind of take it to Washington. I want a guy that likes Apex Twin as my mayor. That's cool. I bet Zoran's heard of Apex Twin. I bet he's at least heard of it. You know what's funny? His chick definitely listens to it. Oh, his chick definitely listens to it.

20:38He says, turn that racket off. Are you guys buzzed with Heames? Yeah, I know Heames. I know Heames

20:42Daniel Lopatin:oh good point no I know Heames well Heames is like he put him on yeah like I was I love Heames and I used to love Dosporacists I go to their shows and everything so I was really happy to hear that Mom Donnie was part of that milieu I love I love that when he when he got elected people were like stereo gums like posting the email he sent them about his music in like 2010 oh yeah it was so funny he's like in a I saw a music video he's like in a food cart or something like that he's like like rapping in it i can't remember what it is but yeah he had bars he he was halfway halfway decent yep mom donnie got bars halfway decent is better than most rappers if we're keeping it 100 if we're keeping it a whole buck where do you are you do you live in new york or do you live in la i do yeah yeah um i live in brooklyn i've lived in a variety of enclaves of brooklyn but all pretty much in the same area like greenpoint bushwick williamsburg all that stuff do you feel like you're settled in your current enclave or do you think you could keep pressing no i'm good i've always i've i mean i would love at some point in my life maybe when i become kind of a an elder statesman a man of letters i could imagine myself in the upper west side with my people but i i don't really sure but i don't really like uh i i can't i've thought about central brooklyn a few times and you know people always tell me that it's before greens are really beautiful and happening and stuff like that but i can't i just um i moved to uh greenpoint when i was like 26 27 years old early so you were an early you were an early settler yeah i was well i guess so yeah it was probably around 2006 or something like that that's pretty early that's early i feel like that's like almost williamsburg prime time you had to pitch a tent back then there ain't no buildings up yet and where i moved where i lived was just specifically it was like it was where the newtown creek oil spill was and i'm like they call it greenwick it's like we don't really know what it is it's a kind of like in tarkovsky's stalker it's like it's the zone there's a weird energy up there sure sure sure and i moved into the basement of a of a of a you know a three family uh residence in the basement unfinished that was split in two by a by a sort of like a weird shelving system that was both my closet and my my the other person who was being housed in the basement wow so like the the wall the wall that separated the room served as a closet for both parties yes with this kind of like shabby curtain that you got at the dollar store one she had one curtain i had another curtain and she was like in real estate but that's just was kind of like yeah i'm in real estate like no you're just an alcoholic that's and she had and she had like like cats and stuff and sometimes i'd be opening my side in the morning and she'd be opening hers it was terrifying it was like really upsetting and then somebody was like you know you really shouldn't live in the basement uh in this part of town because right under here is the oil spill and in the summer it heats up so you're basically like radiating so a lot of my references in my music uh like early on opn recordings had to do with like sort of like radiation and stuff uh it's always been like a weird theme because i was like completely paranoid that i was like getting nuked basically by the new town greek oil spill

24:13Jason Stewart:well yeah i think some of that radiation shows in uh in the final mix downs of those tunes right The fifth beetle of OPN is mild radiation poisoning. Well, that's right. Or at the very least, I really like that cartoon glow, like that green glow, the Adam Age.

24:31Daniel Lopatin:You can't fake that. You can't fake that. You have to get that the real way. That's right.

24:35Jason Stewart:The Simpsons had a good radiation glow, I recall, just in terms of cartoon radiation. That's perfect. That's perfect cartoon glow. The texture. I know you're a texture guy, right? Yes. I happen to be in it. Yes. Yes, I think that's a nice way of saying I'm on the spectrum. No, I was not going that way at all. Obviously, the texture of sounds is something that you're able to, you know, that's a common ambient music thing. But also maybe the texture of a ping pong paddle could get your autistic ass off, right? No? Okay. No, thank you. No, I know. I'm with you. You're right. I'm just trying to walk the bridge to Marty Supreme.

25:15Jason Stewart:I'm just doing a little Marty Supreme bread crumbing. Bread crumbing. We'll get to it later, though.

25:20Daniel Lopatin:Don't worry. But in the new crib, you got the stew all set up, or do you keep church and state separated? I keep church and state separated, although I'm becoming kind of more and more. I always envied my buddy Ross, you know, Hudson Mohawk?

25:35Jason Stewart:Love him. So I love this guy so much. I see him all the time in these kind of secondary, tertiary, weird European electronic festivals that put on guys like that. I'm in Croatia for three weeks. Straight up. That is where you run into guys like us. And I always see Ross. I'm like, oh, what's going on? How are you doing? And he's always just sitting on a couch completely horizontalized with his laptop making a beat. And I'm like, I always wanted to be like, you don't have to have the perfect conditions. Just like, break out Ableton wherever you are. So I think over the years, I've become a little bit better about that and not being so, you know, oh, I need to be in the studio and I need these sort of perfect circumstances.

26:22Right.

26:22Daniel Lopatin:No, I get I think that technology allows that, but it's more of a mindset challenge than anything else.

26:28Jason Stewart:Yeah. Yeah. So you must be extra envious when you see just, you know, Soulja Boy making a million dollar hit on his iPad with, you know, Fruity Loops. Yeah. Ultimate respect. and one of the great geniuses of my time at least

26:44Daniel Lopatin:that's something we agree on at this podcast that is one thing we can come together on is our love of Soldier Boy he's a genius he's beyond he's like you know James Brown, Einstein Soldier

26:58Jason Stewart:so you were saying sorry I had a little technical difficulty my memory card got filled up oh does Soldier Boy Chris was saying does Soldier Boy still have it

27:08Daniel Lopatin:do you think soldier has any gas in the tank or do you think he's sort i think of him as a non-linear kind of like a he's just an entity beyond like hey is this good or bad it's like it's this body of work and it's this dude it's kind of like how i think about like like rcb more or like three six mafia or like like little b or like like ariel pink or it's like it doesn't matter like it's just flowing it's like a either the tap is shut for a while and they disappear or it's on and you can just get into the slipstream the stream is hard the stream is yeah yeah i think you that's a really good way to look at it and i do think that's true about like i always use kanye west's example of someone that if you want if he wants to be good he just will be and it's fine like i think those people you know i think it's like a yes it's a mindset and a choice being

28:03Jason Stewart:so good for so long gets a little boring though you gotta shake things up yeah i think that i

28:07Daniel Lopatin:think there's probably some truth to that too take it from me yeah jason you've been you after 20

28:11Jason Stewart:years you had to switch it up finally okay dan you said uh it's so nice to have just a normal conversation yeah um you does that mean in a media press interviews type of way or just like in general in life um no in life i have fantastic conversations uh with all my all my dear colleagues and comrades but i i think just being on a on a kind of like a class this is a very kind of traditional press run i'm on here with marty you know and and so it's like um that's great because i have so much pride in the in the film that it's it's not it's not difficult but you do naturally So you guys know about it.

28:55You talk to so many people. You start regurgitating the same shit. You become very practiced. People ask you a panoply of ridiculously unresearched questions. And so you're kind of mind-numbing. Like, oh my god. What's it like to be a composer or something? It's just like, what? I don't know. What are you talking about?

29:20Jason Stewart:Did you like working on movie? or did you was working on movie bad or good oh yes and for the most part they're cool they're they're cool but it's just you know you get you get kind of tired i think movie stuff is i think

29:32Daniel Lopatin:movie stuff is different i think that industrial complex is very is much more extreme than any other art form as far as the press yeah goes it's hollywood it's show business it's this whole thing of like i'm also like i know jason you're in glendale right that's right yeah so you know about it down there i'm like an east coast guy i know about the bis you know you're surrounded by it's just a it's a frequency it's a type of kind of way of communicating and stuff it's a different kind of radiation if you really want to put it there's sun drunk down there and they're also a lot of them are you know theater x theater kids or whatever so it's like kind of it's kind of fucking jazz hands sun perfect storm it's like jazz hands vibes in la i think i don't disagree I don't disagree with you.

30:19Daniel Lopatin:I think that's... It's just not. New York is different.

30:22Jason Stewart:Well, I mean, New York, I would say LA and New York are almost tied neck and neck for having the same amount of one man or one woman shows, you know, in a small black box theater. I think we're kind of even with the jazz hands. Okay. You guys have Broadway. That's true. We do. We have plenty of... Yeah, we came to define jazz hands, actually. It's true. You guys are just kind of keeping the spirit alive.

30:47Daniel Lopatin:but we actually we're the progenitors we invented it but yeah i don't i i guess i see over the years there's so many videos of actors sort of losing it because by the fourth interview you know the fourth interview in 20 minutes with like a local news crew from kansas city they lose their fucking minds and when you get when you get old enough to realize like oh they've been doing this for two weeks straight on like no sleep and they have it's like yeah dude you're gonna fucking lose it because it becomes mind-numbing like i don't know i just feel like that method just doesn't work that well and i can't believe we're still doing it kind of you know what i mean guys know that like so first of all i can't tell what's real and what's fake anymore obviously because of everything but like i'm like just doing my my my daily scroll getting my getting my gruel getting my slop and it's like this clip of don cheetle and mark ruffalo like shilling for some fucking Marvel movie or something and Mark just is like and wait till you See the I don't even know if this is real I swear To god I'm like is this AI or something But he's like and wait till you see the next one Everybody dies and She I love Cheadle so much he's like Dressed to the nines he's like So impressive and he's so such A beautiful man He's like dude just Don't like just chill like you already Blew it don't make it worse

32:09Jason Stewart:Okay I think I pulled it up this was this was from uh i think it was from a kimmel interview from seven years ago and ruffalo's like should i do it can i say it and cheetle's like what the fuck are you talking about you idiot no cheetle's wearing a leather jacket yes vest tie yeah looking looking fucking like he's serving ruffalo's in a fucking t-shirt and cheetle is giving him a great look in the face that's

32:35Daniel Lopatin:funny that's really funny i mean i also feel like after you make a movie and you've been with someone every day for like you're sick of them yeah you're like i've had quite enough of your ass mark you know that that is but i do think those there was one recently that went viral of jonah hill from like super bad era and him it was like him and michael cera and they kept asking and he was like you know what no like like stopped it completely and it was funny to see young jonah scolding someone with like the little afro and shit he looked he looked funny it was funny no no to your point i cannot wait for like you know two three four weeks from now when we're all like you know all the marty gang that's doing all the press is like we're like feral and we're tired of the thing you know we're loose and we're we're like you know just being ourselves we've just had enough of the sort of regurgitation i think that's what best yeah i

33:28Jason Stewart:think that's what the the one you know saving grace or good byproduct of the media cycle that fucks you up because we can tell when we're interviewing somebody for a movie or who's done a lot of press versus you know a book or an album or whatever it takes a lot longer to have the guests realize that we are in fact just having a regular conversation and you can take your guard down and you could remove the media training and kind of canned answers i wanted to take the a24 media training thing just on an anthropological level i want to see what this thing is like yeah see what flavor i didn't even know they do that i'm too lazy you should honestly you know you

34:07Daniel Lopatin:should i set through it i set through it once years and years ago when i managed a band and sony like paid for it for the band to go through what do they tell you to do well at least back then i'm sure there's maybe more advanced methods now but it's a lot of it's a lot of like tricks on turning the conversation back to whatever you're trying to sell obviously but also they make you go like deposition mode and and interview you and tape it and then make you watch it and tell you how bad you did basically fastest way to learn yeah yeah it's it's it's baptism by fire for sure but it was it was pretty like i'm like oh i see how this would be helpful if you don't know how to talk to another like it's not i don't know if i have a point i'm trying to get across i'll get it across in an hour like it's not i don't know i don't think it's that hard it's harder for me to fake it and do something right than it is to just have integrity and say what i mean and i'm not uh it's i get why it could be useful for somebody who has like for instance is very like ocd or like has like really wants to understand the assignment or approaches it like whatever there's all kinds of reasons why it might i i could not do that no there's no i i couldn't either i think it's all i think it's just like i think also it used to be different because it's, I think that the person giving the interview, uh, didn't have social media, like you didn't like you control it.

35:31Daniel Lopatin:Now you really do whatever you want. And that's what people really see. The press stuff is sort of like, if you don't talk about it, nobody sees it. Is there, is the reality? If you understand what I'm saying, like you can do something on Instagram that will have much more impact than doing major press because there's just too much out there. And your audience wants to hear from you directly. Absolutely. You know, who's a G I I met him in LA briefly, but I loved him because Josh O 'Connor, is that his name? Or Josh Conner? The actor? There's a clip of him. They're asking these guys. I don't know what movie it was for, but they're asking these guys, like, okay, so what's your step and repeat posture?

36:09What do you do up there? Or whatever.

36:11Jason Stewart:How do you pose on the red carpet? Red carpet, right. I see. I don't even know the terminology. This is how. No, your terminology was actually more in-depth and insidery. than mine i've lived in hollywood my whole life it took me a while to return to learn that step and repeat was literally called that because you step and repeat you just take photos and i thought i was like why do they call it that it's just called a red carpet i know it just it always sticks in my head because it's so cool it sounds like a dance craze or something but uh josh o 'connor like one guy's like yeah this is what i do whatever and then josh o 'connor's like check it out i got my shit down and he just stands up and he's like, look, show my feet.

36:51And they just adjust his little sneaker like a tiny bit. He's just out a little bit. He's like, that's it. That's my room. And I loved it, man. I was like, this dude's great. That's really funny.

37:02Daniel Lopatin:I think he's in the Beatles movie, I think. Oh, cool. Well, he's great. He was so good in that tennis movie, man. Challengers. I love that movie. I love the way he looks. Like, I really like the way He looks great in clothes. He looks cool. He's amazing. I think he's like a real theater geek. Grave robbing movie. It's not like a euphemism. It's literally about brave robbers. I don't know what that shit means. But I saw Chris's expression on his face. Have I said something dreadful? No, I don't know either. No, no, I don't know. I don't think grave robbing has another meaning beyond the clearly obvious.

37:42Jason Stewart:Was it God's Own Country? He plays like an Italian film, actually. La Chimera. Yes. From 2023. Everyone should see that movie. La Chimera? It's fantastic. And he's really, really good at it. He's great. Great. Archaeologist turned grave robber. What a great idea for a film. Oh, it's fantastic.

38:06Daniel Lopatin:With actors like that, I feel like those guys come out of nowhere, even though they've probably been working for 10 years. and then I see them every day of my life. Once it starts working, I feel like I see Josh O 'Connor every day. And I like it overall. I just feel like you - I know, we should be so lucky to see him. I see him every day and I tell you what, it just doesn't get old. Honestly, he looks so great in clothes that it really is like, he's the perfect subject for most fashion things. I think it's pretty - Prada sample size. He's used for a reason. He's used for a reason.

38:38Jason Stewart:But I think that these, nowadays in 2025 where everything is about the clip not the interview not the you know we don't want to hear the 45 minute convo with josh o 'connor about the process we want to hear him you know here's how here's how i pose on it or here's my freaking favorite spicy little thing or here's a funny thing i said but i think now that people are sort of driven to that level doing the 78th interview on zoom this week i think when people start to just say like go almost like off the script like anarchy nihilist mode that's when actual interesting clips come out you know and you have these moments like the cheetle moment you were talking about versus like let's go on let's go on fallon and play twister wouldn't that be random slapification the slap the slap is so because that's actually interesting the slap is so slap is like 9-11 man it's like before and after.

39:33Before and after. Hollywood before the slap and after the slap.

39:37Jason Stewart:Truly, truly. I don't think anything,

39:40Daniel Lopatin:because I remember watching that in real time because I love award shows. I don't miss an award show. And being like truly confused is like, is this a bit or is this real? That's it. And it's too powerful. It was too powerful.

39:52Jason Stewart:Yeah, but also... That's it. We have all suspected that Will Smith has been scaring the hoes from day one and that slap confirmed it that... Because he hasn't He hasn't done shit since, except...

40:03Daniel Lopatin:No, that's not true. He's putting out music. You guys should check it out.

40:09Jason Stewart:Yeah, he put out the music, and I think there was a video of him performing live, and they quickly found out that the crowd was fake. Yeah. It was like an AI genre crowd. The AI crowd. That was really inspiring to me. Actually, I thought about the AI crowd a lot. You go from him starring in Hitch to AI crowds, and his son is the creative director of Red Bottoms. His daughter is doing weird shit. His wife hates him. It's tough. Being a celebrity is tough.

40:37Daniel Lopatin:It's tough. I think a lot of these celebrities, we've said it before on the show, but I think a lot of these celebrities are particularly not good at being online and should not be online to protect their legacy.

40:49Jason Stewart:Tom Cruise doesn't have a Twitter for a reason. Yeah. You read my mind, Jason. All right. I was literally about to be like, I was at the ceremony where they honored Tom Cruise recently. Is that where he got his honorary Oscar?

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44:43Daniel Lopatin:I'm just going to send my coconut cake to everybody I've ever met every Christmas, and that's the only time you hear from me. Daniel, I have some literature for you,

44:50Jason Stewart:because if you use the power of Zeno, you too can tap into that wavelength, my friend. Yeah, you said you like Beck, right?

44:59Daniel Lopatin:Okay, well, we got something.

45:02Jason Stewart:Look, it's very simple, but it's also the most difficult step of your life.

45:06Daniel Lopatin:are you ready for this it's crazy just get out your checkbook and we'll figure it out if you could just if you could just get out of the checkbook we can start okay so you you were there

45:12Jason Stewart:at this event watching him get his honorary oscar and you're like this motherfucker has got it he's like he's got it otherworldly yeah he does yeah yeah he was amazing he uh he just uh i i shook his hand briefly and i was so in a sort of dissociated hallucinatory state because of his his uh sort of just his the magnitude of his celebrity even affected me and i really don't have so i just kind of like be like meeting rizza or something no i know i was like i go i go you changed my life and i have no idea why i said that i cannot tell you what i mean by that i'm pretty sure it's true but like a mexican girl at an interpol concert that's how you're behaving I became like a weird 14-year-old.

46:05It was so odd. It was so strange. I love that you just blacked out.

46:11Daniel Lopatin:You're like, I don't know, man. I blacked out. And his eyes, he makes like, I would assume that it's a lot like meeting Obama or something like that, where you're just kind of like, whoa, I'm hypnotized or something. I think there is a certain gravitas that some people have. it's like the make you feel like the most important in the room type thing but it's a level it's a level above that intensity wise and it can only last so long or you'll like melt yeah you have to

46:38Jason Stewart:like keep you have to keep going and that's why he's like a 60 year old lesbian who's tapping on a de armas yeah he does not deserve that he does not deserve that but i mean it's i think he

46:49Daniel Lopatin:i think he really i also love the the like i do my own stunts thing is like dude you don't have to do that but if it makes you feel good like by all means risk your life every day i know it's beyond i can't even comprehend it as a coward as a resident coward i can't no no no don't do that i'm all i'm also a coward i'm also a coward what are you scared what are you most scared of do you get like claustrophobic heights like what are you yeah like when those weird hit by a car kind of novelty they those weird towers where you where there's like the floor is like clear i don't like No, I ain't doing that.

47:24Jason Stewart:I ain't doing that either. Okay, so you don't like a Tower of Terror is what you're saying. I don't like it.

47:29Daniel Lopatin:You're like, I don't like to go to big buildings in Hong Kong with glass floors on the 100th story.

47:33Jason Stewart:One of your early EPs, I think, Tower of Terror, yeah? Yeah. Lightning Bolt Split. I don't particularly like, what's it called? What's it called when you try to do all kinds of crazy stuff? What's?

47:54daredevil stuff meth addiction i think you're talking about life i think you're talking about

47:57Jason Stewart:life oh just you mean like being like in like a johnny knoxville evil knievel style like stunt man who's like all that kind of stuff just kind of gives me the the heebie jeebie maybe being a mind freak could scare you a little bit no no that's in his zone i don't no no no that's where i i no one can control my mind except for tom cruise and obama well i'm thinking more chris angel mind freak you know what i mean or like he's got no i could i could take that guy in a second you can out freak the freak i could out freak the freak i'm like that i'm like a i'm a little bit of a mind i i think that's what's required in your line of work you know what i

48:31Daniel Lopatin:mean you i feel like you sit in a dark room alone all the time which is very similar to magic in a lot of ways on the psychic level on the sort of dudes that try to tap into the unconscious and sort of manipulate your your the mood the the aura no i'm i'll defeat any of them i'm like tko

48:48Jason Stewart:you are they're not getting me you're the pete heggseth of people trying to telepathically steal your energy yes no no psychic vampire can persuade me to join their cults none of that shit no that's okay have you ever stared at somebody until they left the room me no i don't no i don't see i don't practice their form of witchcraft.

49:10Daniel Lopatin:You're saying I got my own brand, bro. I don't need to play with their little shit.

49:14Jason Stewart:If you lay down with dogs, you get fleas. That's smart. Take the high run. Yeah, I'm like one of the good wizards, you know?

49:20Daniel Lopatin:Yeah, you're giving good wizard today for sure. That's what the Raya bio says. Yeah, that's it. I'm a good wizard. Check out my music on Spotify. I'm not a goody two-shoes, but I'm a good wizard. No, of course not.

49:35Jason Stewart:You're no teacher's pet, but you're also not inherently evil and I think that shines through.

49:40Daniel Lopatin:We're getting a hang of that now after talking to you for a little while.

49:44Jason Stewart:For the soundtrack, the Marty Supreme soundtrack, was this the first time where you're using your real name and not y 'all strip a name? I did it on the previous soundtrack with Uncut Gems. Basically, like...

50:00Daniel Lopatin:You don't want Warp getting any of this money. You gotta figure it out. You know what I'm saying? Was this your idea or your team's idea? This feels like a management. It was Scott Rudin's idea, actually. The goat. Oh, shit. The root dog. I didn't know the root dog was coming into play. He's like, what is this? One-O-Tricks. He's like, who's going to know how to say it? Who's going to? He's like, you think he's going to win any awards with one-O-Tricks? And I was just like, all right, you apparently know what you're doing.

50:27Jason Stewart:Show me the lie, Ruben. Show me the lie.

50:29Daniel Lopatin:Dude, that's really funny for him. So you listen. That's really funny for him to say that. And you just be like, all right, sure, whatever.

50:36Jason Stewart:fine he's like lose your name it's cleaner yeah and it was kind of cool too i was like oh this is cool i can set up this kind of because i was getting a little tired of of of the alias and the project and i was like oh maybe i should kind of see what it's a mouthful yeah it's a lot and it's confusing and uh i try not to i gotta be i gotta be honest with you i try not to say it out loud because i think i'm gonna fuck it up dude i didn't mean to make it confusing i literally was just messing around and i didn't think anyone would ever care but it looks cool written out

51:06Daniel Lopatin:which is very important which is very important i think in the in the scheme it looks pretty good

51:10Jason Stewart:and i also think i want so if somebody listening is high up at google or godaddy or whatever it'd be nice to have a url suffix to be point never so your website that is pretty cool i mean yeah dot never oh dot never wow i wonder if that's like how you can do dot pizza or dot whatever up you know what i'm stupid because mine is just like point never.com i didn't do it i should well i don't i think you're you're not allowed to just make any word be the i see the url suffix i think what's your preferred god's of the internet have to dispel what's your preferred suffix edu edm probably no i mean remember for the longest time we really thought that we really thought that that dot com really meant something like you were a loser if it wasn't dot com you're like oh dot net step your money up and now i like i mean everything is just dot studio or dot work or whatever i know

52:06Daniel Lopatin:i'm a dot i'm a i'm a dot org traditionalist i think that's cool i like that i'm with you if i could get a dot if i could get a dot edu i would obviously or dot gov those are the only two that rank higher it has an early internet feel i don't want to steal steal educational valor that's the only thing i do so i really do i know so that's fine you can let me do it i think org is really on point yeah i have a dot one of my websites is a dot org and it feels people get really it's funny jason because you're right like every you can have like chris.dick and it's fine but like people every time they go they're like oh what kind of org is it i'm like bro i picked it off a sheet like it's not like i had to pay extra like what does your tattoo mean you're like

52:48Jason Stewart:it's not that deep exactly it's like yeah it's not that serious it's just we're not talking about that it's a website bro it's all good but i think if you have an uh uh it's a it's your civic duty if you have a.org to make your website look a little orgy web 1.0 wikipedia there's some truth which public announcement.org does yeah like some pillars like some corral yeah a little just a little bit of geo cities a little bit of all that shit you know some pillars

53:20Jason Stewart:if the pillars could be eight bit animated gifs that rotate or something like that but you do

53:26Daniel Lopatin:you do some do you do you work with somebody different for like design stuff or do you do it do you have like a guy you lock in with i've i um i go through basically kind of like eras with designers and um i really love the current designer with um yeah i like a kind of a young gun designer no ditty i like i like them i like them underage too as long as that figma's of age i'm happy as long as the figma's 18 plus i'm good to go i know i mean i used to work with um uh david rudnik who actually did um the marty supreme soundtrack uh package and artwork and a bunch of the typography i didn't know day i didn't know david so he okay i thought he was just on twitter but he is a designer that's good to know yeah i know he's i know he's he took a break from

54:19Jason Stewart:designing techno 10 inch album sleeves to have opinions i know no we love we love rudnik over here we do we do he's amazing and um his work on on the marty supreme stuff it's crazy because it's it's in the film it's the awnings it's it's the crazy like jewish stettles oh that's cool that's cool there's a basically i don't want to give away too much but there's a pen company in in the film called rockwell inc and he designed the rockwell brand and identity oh that's cool

54:48Daniel Lopatin:it's pretty incredible i love this no and no expense no expense spared in marty supreme i

54:53Jason Stewart:tell you what no it's cool it'd be like what if we should get what if david rudnik designed this pen company and they're like yeah text him well here's the thing about my guy elliot elder his his name and he basically what i found out was you know he was next up like rudnik tried to to try to basically like hire him or something like that like so that he wouldn't become the next rudnik yeah oldest trick in the book that's what uh batali did didn't work elliot believed believed in himself he bet on himself out there he bet on himself which is the great lesson of

55:29Daniel Lopatin:marty supreme perhaps look at that it's a full it's a full circle moment it's a full circle

55:34Jason Stewart:everyone everyone has to you know let let their wings flap and go out there on their own right

55:40Daniel Lopatin:i just feel like you're in one of those positions too where like you can kind of they're gonna answer the call if you want them so it's up to you to decide sort of who's gonna okay sort of but i don't want to man i'm not gonna i think he'll appreciate me to sort of uh uh making fun a little bit here but elliot like this is how confident and cool he is as a young young man in the world it's like yeah he answered the call but he didn't really do his research like i don't think he knew what my fan base is like or how they'll you know like comb through every detail so when we made a teaser for the new album it's called tranquilizer out on war records right now it's uh like we do this teaser and he flashes all this sort of stuff in there that was just like random files from our work like from our whatsapp and it's like my entire like liner notes to my album it's like fucking everything and then of course like right away the opn fans are like screenshotting every thing and they're like oh my god it was mastered by stefan betka it was this it was that and i was like dude what are you thinking and he's like oh i didn't really think like anybody cared like that i was like okay thanks thanks he's like i don't know you

57:02Jason Stewart:didn't think anybody cared you got you got like some fans bro i had no idea so it's going pretty well for you with this music stuff that's cool yeah like thanks i should have charged you before you decided to work with me like for two seconds i mean that's pretty like i think the that kind of

57:16Daniel Lopatin:fan that kind of fandom was something we talk about a lot on how long gone because i think we're all of a similar age where that sort of access to knowledge wasn't available and it made enjoying things much more free and easy i think like i don't give a fuck yes i still don't give a fuck who mastered your record like i don't give it why would i care about that do it doesn't make sense for civilians to care about stuff like that like it's it's it's no it's meant it doesn't it's

57:40Jason Stewart:crazy it's crazy it's meant to be but i like that this young buck was like what's the big deal and then it has been proven that it oh definitely it doesn't matter i learned something from him

57:51Daniel Lopatin:that day you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah that's the whole point that's the whole point

57:55Jason Stewart:that's that is this is why we need to surround ourselves with young people in the work environment their voice is so important 100 i think the the old heads need to be receptive to learning not just like like you know schooling the youth yeah with wisdom which is what traditionally the role of the old head is and it's and and they should do that they have wisdom but the same can be said the other way around and then you get then you really you're on like some next little shit young people because when you're old you get more stubborn and you're like i'm never gonna do that that's right and then a young person's like yeah i would never do that either that's stupid here's how i do it and you're like oh you found a tolerable way of doing something insufferable you know marriage of the opposites baby put it together okay all right how much weed did you smoke before this podcast i don't need to anymore it's like it's like it's like anymore are you perma-baked?

58:52Daniel Lopatin:you're perma-baked? yeah dude, on some level I feel like in your line of work that's maybe a positive don't you feel like the early experiments you do with hallucinogenic substances you don't need to keep doing it, I think there's a journey and you take something from the journey and you can kind of move on, you don't have to revisit the fucking movie like 800 times if you've seen it a couple times I wish I would have known that about like cocaine and stuff but it does yeah it's a little different different chemical it's a little different i guess different class of drug yeah when you put it that way when you go legal eagle mode you're right it's technically a different class you learn different rules on the coke than

59:34Jason Stewart:the the hallucinogenics you learn just how far you can overdraft your account for example that's my cowardice i i i don't really well i i don't think uppers don't really appeal to me but

59:46Daniel Lopatin:i've never done cocaine bro hold on you're telling me you're telling me you made all that uncut gems music and you weren't on cocaine that's crazy i did i've never taken in my life i think it's cool i think it's cool when adults are just like yeah man i don't know that one just missed me i don't know what like i don't know why you know i don't know why no dude i know why i know why why because you're a pussy yes but because i'm a god i'm a coward but but i think also because like i grew up in boston and the sort of the legend of len bias was so and then maybe like i don't actually know what what what what happened with reggie lewis later either but i don't i can't speculate i shouldn't say but len bias was was really so and and of course like the reagan era like don't the fucking um this is your brain this is your brain on drugs the um stuck with you the dare program the sunny side up egg and all that stuff that worked on me man scramble your brain dude that propaganda like worked on me that's that's actually fun you weren't involved in like hardcore in boston or anything right like you weren't into that scene i was like a little bit in a funny way like my buddy my very good buddy of mine named ben sisto basically was responsible he was like a kind of young precocious uh promoter and he managed to get fugazi to play to perform in boston for the first time in some amazing amount of years because they wouldn't come there because it was so racist yeah they were like they were like we're not fucking with boston and ben ben ben uh convinced them so i was always on the there wasn't a lot of um alternative culture in boston like the early o's mid o's but what there was was all sort of around around what ben was doing and around punk music and and noise shows and basement shows and this message board at the time called lemming trail where weird oh i thought you were gonna say bridge nine damn okay what's your what's your message board called uh it was called lemming trail in boston ben started that with his brother too ben was really like an instrumental part of like culture in in in and around new england like punk and hardcore music around the time when i was getting out of college yeah boston was really cool dude boston was really a hot spot for i always wonder why that stuff happens usually it has a lot to do with like colleges and the per capita amount of young people in one place which boston is is obviously stacked in that department and if i can say one more cool thing about ben because it's actually might be interesting for people years later he made a documentary um about the song who let the dogs out that's fucking amazing you know i heard about this i've heard about this dude that's a great that's a great lineage there this has come on this has come up on an old podcast episode i remember ben made this doc about who let the dogs out and it's basically like like he traces the entire history of the song and the songwriting sort of the the etymology of who how did this when was the song actually written who are the dogs yeah no he asked the he asked the question who truly did let the dogs out and the answer will shock you yeah you

1:02:54Jason Stewart:i don't want to spoil it it's available now on tubie i just looked it up but yeah it's like you're like, oh, maybe the Baja men didn't write the song. Maybe they took it from this group. And then they're like, maybe this group took it from this group. And it goes back to hieroglyphics times. That's cool. That's cool. It goes weird, too. There's some weird characters involved in that song. Yeah. Shout out, Ben, sister. Shout out, Ben. He'll love that.

1:03:17Daniel Lopatin:So when you're making this music for a movie that's this fucking long, because this movie's long. This movie's like three hours long. How much actual music are you delivering? like let's get a what the run time what's the run time on 22 queues 44 minutes 45 minutes about oh okay i mean look when you put it that way it's looking like a good pay to work ratio yeah so you're doing chill you're not doing as much lifting as as gwyneth and timmy but you're not not working no i'm where we we work we work we work i mean it's it's it's josh it's josh softy we work in a we work yeah but are you guys do you guys get locked in and go psych and go like psycho mode like where you're like really locked in for a couple weeks and get it done yeah so so basically what happened was josh you know i finished tranquilizer and i'm i'm in research mode on marty while i'm working on wrapping up tranquilizer my engineer um starts sort of prepping uh the mix for tranquilizer another producer named josh eustis who's um he records under uh the name telephone tel aviv he was in nine inch nails for a while actually he's out in la la guy yeah yeah so he's great and um does a lot of orchestration conducting stuff i link up with him and and he starts setting up the projects for all these cues there's basically a cue sheet meaning uh you know a list of demands and um and josh is like hey so how are we going to do this um and i'm like what do you mean i'm just going to write some music and you know you'll hear it and then we'll revise it and then he's like no no no like nothing has changed in 10 years i need to do this with you this is very spiritually important to me that's what he said it's spiritually important that i be there with you and i was like okay so we're doing it the old-fashioned way then we got to find a place uh set up shop maybe somewhere in brooklyn might be a little cheaper might be more in the budget he's just like he's like we gotta find a place that's on our budget like next to my apartment and next to the office because because sarah his wife is pregnant and he's in the edit he's still working on all this stuff so he um we found whatever we could afford in midtown which was like they i don't even think we could afford it they basically were just like yeah well we'll do you one but it was like this facility that's just basically a bunch of b room like editing room suites in a in square circle so we called it the fishbowl because you're like surrounded by other people making like fucking podcasts about weed and like fucking you got the las culture esas next door to you and

1:06:00Jason Stewart:you're trying to okay so this is this totally this isn't like you go to okay this isn't like

1:06:05Daniel Lopatin:hey we're going to marfa and we rented a house and we're setting this up for a couple months and like we're gonna just feel it out you know we're not like that those kind of guys like we're like let's back the odds against us make this as hard as we can to get this done in time like to the point where like we're in the fishbowl and there's people walking by they're sliding doors to our little i mean to call it our room is is bullshit really it's just some walls it was a hostel more than a hotel it was a we work but and then like like this guy walks by and he kind of does a double take and then he's like josh because josh is sitting in there and josh is like oh hey what's up and it's some comedian guy he knows and he's just like dude no offense but like why are you here the guy was just like you i thought things were going well for you bro he's like why are you here this is where we are not where you and it was that kind of vibe but actually you know i was you know my spoiled ass was complaining about it initially but it actually mirrored the sort of adverse adversarial nature of reality for marty mauser in the movie in a way that was actually kind of good for us and we really got into it we like covered the walls of these giant black and white uh printouts of not the characters from the film but real people that they were sort of based around visually and i'll send you the picture uh after but we covered this the the walls of this cubicle with these amazing images and just got into the mindset and it was really fun it was

1:07:38Jason Stewart:really fun yeah yeah well if you had all that set up the film takes place in in the 50s in new york so are we making some some swinging ragtime jazzy tunes for marty you know what's funny about that all all joking aside i did um initially like there's a cue where basically mauser's like fucking speeding through the lower east side evading a police officer and um he looks amazing in it he's like miyako put the costume designer wardrobe she put uh timmy in this huge light look i think of it as light blue she insists that it's not a blue shirt but uh but it looks he looks like superman flying through the street agree to disagree he has a cape is he on foot or is he on an old tummy bicycle he's on foot he's running through the streets with this giant shirt that you know like if you actually walk through you know like lower east side today you'll see a lot of that anyway so that's the brilliant part of it but and shimiyako is a genius but but he's soaring through the streets with this fucking cape and um and it's so fast and so i was like well you know like benny goodman style shit it's like double time it's like yeah so we in a way we did sort of sneak in some kind of formal um tricks from period stuff very subtly into like but we're talking like tempo and sort of like the pattern of of of a symbol in swing music but never we never really went there no you didn't we pretty much stayed away from all that stuff so it still sounds like a contemporary score for you yeah it's a really weird mixture of stuff it's kind of like there's a lot of uh there's a orchestrated elements there's strings there's choir uh laraji the new age uh musician is is on it uh wiseblood sings a little bit um there's a lot of digital 80s keyboard stuff particularly mallet kind of vibraphone sounds like which are really prevalent to new wave music in general.

1:09:52So it's like a lot of that 80s stuff. But the reason we went with the mallets was because the game itself. I remember during the first spotting session, I at some point just closed my eyes and listened to the movie. And it was one of the early edits. But there was enough there where I could kind of zero in on the sound of table tennis itself. And it was like, wow, listen to the... it's just light balls like really buoyant and quick everything's kind of light and speedy and i was like well how can i really get there and i was like wait a second a paddle is a fucking wooden stick and the balls at the end of it we're talking about a mallet you know we can we can we can actually get into like some vibraphone stuff whatever it takes to get to the vibraphone is what i always say i mean kind of like look dude i really feel like i'd get you chris like you're like really like all right cut to the chase like is this shit not does this shit knock or not like i don't need them i don't need the backstory man that that is one of our yin and yangs i'm all

1:10:54Daniel Lopatin:backstory he's front of house it's scoring i i think the whole practice of of doing this is is i'm not a big movie guy like i i do not care really but the scoring and how it gets done is really interesting to me because it's such like a puzzle that requires so much effort and sort of like it's such small pieces of music yes and like how those all work together to like get the story across it's just an interesting it's a very interesting process that seems like it takes a while to sort of understand and get good at almost that's right no i mean and it was it was it was so such a kismet kind of like fun eureka moment really with the with the vibe sounds because you realize like you're like wait a second the the digital like the bear lights and clavier kind of 80s mallet sound is all over pop music from that time so i just had so much fun i was like hey if we're doing mallets like i pulled like 300 maybe 400 sounds i could find like samples of those old keyboards from the 80s and just started messing around with different sort of like textured like here's the depeche mode mallets here's like the we got all the mallets so we

1:12:04Jason Stewart:got mallets yeah it's really melody yeah miami vice sound the young homer mallets for sure it's really mallet it's really malady well you you mentioned really liking uh challengers the film another a24 ass movie involving paddle sports with a very good point more more people would i think more people have admitted that they like the soundtrack than the film arguably like it's like a really iconic soundtrack and i would say as equal as the film itself um how is that something that you considered i'm making uh a paddle sports film soundtrack do i were you trying to not do what challengers was doing so you don't get lumped in the same category no it didn't occur to me i i love but i did really really love that that score and i thought it was probably one of one of trends most thumping things he's done in a minute scores during this like huge run of scores

1:13:04Daniel Lopatin:he's been he's been yeah that mother that motherfucker that motherfucker's eating your lunch bro you got some catching up to do tell me about it tell me about it can he just take a beat just give me a second you know why don't you why don't you give trent you give trent a new road bike get him out there he'll be too busy he'll be too busy riding he's a workaholic he loves it i i i i uh i was really lucky to to open up for nine inch nails on tour like years ago and And actually, he was really encouraging me at the time to be like, no, dude, because I'd maybe dabbled a little bit in scores, but I think it was right before good time.

1:13:45It was actually right before me and Josh link up is when I'm on tour with Trent. And I think he could sense it. He was just like, dude, you really got to focus in on scoring. I think this stuff is for you. And I was like, okay, well, tell me everything. How do I do it? And he's like, I don't know.

1:14:01Jason Stewart:when he showed you his watch he's like you see that bitch yeah that's movie money right there you know how to do you know how to say richard mill daniel oh yeah i know well do you do you think there was a so there was not a situation like you were talking about before with rudnik and his understudy where there was a time where trent was like get down or be down we know come over to atticus no he never worked with us he was no okay trent doesn't need trent doesn't need to to absorb i mean trend is a monster dude he would be happy to go toe to toe with you on the soundtrack he's good dude he's like but i think that i think that yeah yeah

1:14:41Daniel Lopatin:that's the encouragement though but sometimes when encouragement comes from a place like that it feels a little more um weighty let's say you know it feels like amazing that tour taught me so many crazy things and i i what was funny was i was there to basically be a kind of like a sort of weird padding like a i was an act of diplomacy because uh soundgarden was on that tour with their 20th anniversary of super unknown and it was like some kind of weird live nation shit with trent where he was like how long ago was this 2000 i'm gonna say 15 or okay but you know like they had had some sort of like weird like grunge like twitter beef or something like that like they weren't totally so it was a kind of like uh like a sort of let's bury the hatchet or whatever but one of the negotiation sort of like uh tactics was like okay we'll do this tour but i get to pick the opener because you know i want to i want my vibe on this thing so trent got death grips death grips couldn't make it and i and i subbed it wow you know i love that death grips couldn't make it i think you kind of figure it out you You know what I'm saying?

1:15:53Jason Stewart:No, but I mean, that's the most Death Grips thing you can ever do is turn down a stadium tour. Totally. I was like, of course they can't make it because they got that dog in them. But what was weird was Zach Hill, the drummer from Death Grips, was a genius, a prodigy. years back like around 2010 or 11 which is the pinnacle moment for me where i was either gonna you know slot into somebody else's system and be like uh you know like a six man kind of thing or do my own thing zach was like hey do you want to like uh join my band of course i didn't think at the time it was death grips or maybe it was like something like that but he was like come to japan and basically be the keyboard player in my band something like that i was like no i gotta make this record and i was i was i made replica so it's it is one of those really interesting things like part of me does fantasize about some point in my life where i do just get to do some kind of weird john mayer shit and being grateful dead like what would that ban me i always think about that and for some reason my mind always goes to animal collective always we okay we can't we can hey

1:17:05Daniel Lopatin:we can aim a little higher than that dan let's i mean like well i think that's that's the point though no i'm not no shots at animal collective i'm saying you could call them and be in the band right now you know what i mean i'm saying like i want you to have to kick the door down

1:17:17Jason Stewart:i'm saying it's a good thing that he chose to go his own way and not be the 14th guy in animal collective now he's solo splitting the money with zero motherfuckers that's right and selling more ticks than animal collective that's true you made the right choice you guys are looking at it and And to your credit, I'm not judging this, but you guys are looking at kind of like, what's the shrewd move here? What's the industrious thing to do? But I think part of John Mayer joining Grateful Dead is also like this band meant a lot to me when I was trying to figure out.

1:17:50Daniel Lopatin:I mean, it's amazing from like a childhood. Like, yeah, it's like crazy.

1:17:52Jason Stewart:Okay, so in 10 years when OPN is kind of winding down, you can join Death Grips and play The Sphere. Yeah, you're Death Grips at The Sphere. death grips at wrigley field i hope they're fucking putting out records but i hope they're putting out like they're the wall yeah they could do that yeah death grips at wrigley field

1:18:13Daniel Lopatin:that's right i gotta go uh dan i also dan i want to thank you for not wearing the marty supreme jacket i know you're saving it for the selfie because i'm tom brady tom brady already posted so i hope you're gonna that shit's already on stock x bro he ain't gonna wear it i thought you're gonna follow suit if i don't see a selfie of you in that fucking jacket i'm gonna be upset so figure it out i feel like one of you guys has probably has better access to to that shit as like honorary fuck boys then then i do thank you so much thank you so much i say that with love that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to us on this show um all right dan thank you for listening uh marty supreme is out uh christmas day correct christmas day that's right christmas

1:18:55Jason Stewart:day tranquilizer out now and also we had um hayley gates on last week and you had a song on her movie as well which is which is great yeah thanks for taking the time to chat with us man we hope you had fun yeah of course likewise it was a pleasure overdue bro we'll see you soon later yeah definitely talk soon bye

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