881. - Nicky Campbell

10:44Jason Stewart:well i guess a little bit of both but it's like here's a picture of a guy and it says uh hey i just started a clothing company and here's the name of it and here's the website where you can buy it here's my podcast here's the name of it here's the website where you can listen to it it's not that vague yes where when does the mysterious part start you know what i mean i

11:05Chris Black:also think that no one i just i mean we've talked about this before but you know when i started doing this kind of stuff it was it was it felt very vague because no one knew what was going on and now it's been ruined because every 22 year old doesn't want a job so they have to figure out a way to make vague income and whether that's on tiktok or you know consulting so i you know it is it is a bigger it's in the zeitgeist i would say much bigger than it ever has been yeah um maybe i

11:32Jason Stewart:don't like it because i can't tell if it's meant to be complimentary or insultory you know i think

11:38Chris Black:that's the success i think that's what makes it a success actually is that line where you're like i don't know if this is a compliment or if you're making fun of me but i but it's written in a

11:46Jason Stewart:potentially insultory tone but it's it's commending all things that are good yeah like this fucking guy's got a fucking bottega bag and gonna you know worry like i thought that was like he's always traveling but doesn't talk about it like that's exactly what you should be doing also i do

12:03Chris Black:isn't this all good stuff i do travel a lot and all we do is talk about it what do you mean like that's all we do i mean i guess maybe in a in a public sense but i i don't know i guess i feel like i guess a podcast is a bridge further than like instagram or twitter i guess i don't know i agree that one is a little confusing that one's a little confused i think i think the overarching

12:22Jason Stewart:thing where it's uh you know where it's listing what this mysterious source of income person you could be and it says they're they're either one of four things a grifter generationally wealthy striving or any two of the above so i think the the the thing that i don't like is that just because somebody doesn't have a linkedin page does not mean that they are a grifter or a nepo baby or generationally wealthy it just means they're not a fucking dork there's yeah

12:53Chris Black:there's nothing i would rather be more than a nepo baby or generationally wealthy i don't know i we These things have turned into negatives, but I think we would all like our lives to be a little easier with a few caveats, like your dad's an alcoholic actor or, you know, whatever. I mean, I think we could all live with that if we had to, if we absolutely had to. We could.

13:11Jason Stewart:I could figure out a way.

13:13Chris Black:I could figure out a way. All right, yeah, we do have a guest today. Nicky Bell, you probably know from his work on the World Wide Web, sort of reviewing the red carpet, skewering the celebs, giving his feedback on outfits and the world at large. He's also a stylist and just a funny guy that I quite like. And I think this is the crossover the world needs. I can't wait to talk to him about Timmy and Kylie and the matching orange-chrome hearts last night at the Marty Supreme premiere with the Chrome Hearts ping-pong paddle crossbody holder.

13:49Jason Stewart:At the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Award,

13:50Chris Black:I mean in Marty Supreme. He was dressed up like a fucking Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Award. That's what he fucking looked like.

13:56Jason Stewart:Forbes 30 under 30. Go off. But yeah, he's a funny guy on social media. Everyone likes to watch his commentation and styling criticisms.

14:06Chris Black:Let's see how late he is. He's already two minutes. I'm going to give him until five after.

14:10Jason Stewart:He tried to go early, this little bitch. All right, let's give him a call.

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19:53Nicky Campbell:Hi, boys.

19:54Chris Black:Thank you for joining us on How Long Gone Today. Okay, so you're wearing your North Face Nupsy, a classic winter coat, but you seem to be indoors. What's going on?

20:03Nicky Campbell:Well, listen, I would love to know because the heat is not giving the temperature that I would like it to be at. Your heater is not giving heat? Is that what you're saying? It's not radiating in the way it does, but it might also be because I complained because in the past it's been too strong. And I'm like, I can't be comfortable. you know i can't be comfortable this way so i don't know maybe maybe i affected something

20:25Chris Black:yeah how long how long have you lived in new york because you realize that's like every winter that happens if you don't you know because of the way that the city is set up and your radiator is

20:35Nicky Campbell:controlled by god not not by you guess you're right but i haven't talked into that until lately i've been here for like i went to school here so i've been here for almost 10 years my 10-year

20:44Chris Black:anniversary oh how does it feel you're you're getting a you're getting a green card now it

20:48Nicky Campbell:It feels awful. I think I have to leave. I keep brainstorming where I should go.

20:52Chris Black:Where is your ass going to live? Are you from LA? I'm from LA.

20:56Nicky Campbell:Born and raised, baby.

20:58Jason Stewart:So if you don't go back home, also, Nikki, your camera is completely frozen, by the way. Let's just turn it off. I know.

21:06Nicky Campbell:What is that about? Oh, wait. I think I'm coming back.

21:08Jason Stewart:Probably just your Wi-Fi speed. You got no heat? You got no fucking Wi-Fi?

21:13Chris Black:I don't know. I thought you were doing well. These videos get a lot of views, bro. But if you can't get the Wi-Fi, I don't know what's going on.

21:18Jason Stewart:listen it's a hard out here this does feel this does seem better though actually i don't know what's going on don't jinx it okay something something happened okay so you you are from born and raised in la you turned 18 you went to parsons study fashion you've been in new york ever since but now you are considering maybe leaving because new york is killing you outside of los angeles are there any other places that are seriously

21:46Nicky Campbell:in contention i just got back from london and i kind of heavily fuck with it there mate love london yeah same it's beautiful yeah it's beautiful i love the accents the accents are really rich um say more when you say aristocracy or rich uh sexually it arouses me got it got it got it all right and i find that rich what's the gay what is the gay vibe in in london the gay vibe is i don't feel like i've explored it it's not as slutty as new york you

22:18Jason Stewart:know what i mean maybe we should ask you that question chris you probably know a little bit

22:21Chris Black:more than nikki does that's what i was gonna that's what i was gonna guess about the gay vibe in london that's i mean he's spent a lot he's not sucking and fucking but you know he's spent a lot

22:30Jason Stewart:of time in those spaces right right perhaps more than you it does but i think nikki it does it

22:34Chris Black:feels like it's at least a little more behind closed doors if nothing else yes that is correct

22:39Nicky Campbell:okay you know no fucking in the streets they're very closeted in that way clandestine

22:46Chris Black:maybe you're into maybe you like to keep it low so that's i mean it depends on how many straight guys are part of this you know then you got to keep it quiet i'm open yeah when you were

22:54Jason Stewart:in london over under on um on straight versus i'm open no shit you guys are all open yeah

23:00Nicky Campbell:it's like i'm literally open to whatever you're not looking to hold a hole you're saying if a

23:05Chris Black:straight guys interested that that doesn't hurt his his case with you no it does not hurt the

23:11Nicky Campbell:case at all i mean it depends on what their face looks like but it doesn't generally hurt the case

23:17Chris Black:no yeah i think that i think that goes across the board as far as every dating or sexual relationship but i'm glad that you pointed out pointed that out yeah yeah of course i'm really

23:27Jason Stewart:observant when i'm thinking about what guys to date i think what their face looks like really

23:32Nicky Campbell:depends a lot yeah well it can it can change literally everything it will change everything could change everything suddenly suddenly nothing matters and or suddenly everything matters you

23:42Chris Black:know so you're in so you're in london and you're are you kicking the tires are you looking at at leasing a property are you looking like how far is this just a pipe dream at this stage so

23:52Nicky Campbell:it's still a pipe dream but i'm threatening it like every single day and i'm just like hoping

23:57Chris Black:threatening it to whom your friends and family or yourself just like everyone the universe okay

24:02Nicky Campbell:i just see anyone literally anyone that i meet i'm like by the way i'm moving i'll fucking do it bitch yeah i'll fucking move i don't even give a fuck i'm ready i just like i just because maybe then they'll start bullying me into like being like i thought you're moving in london then i'll

24:15Jason Stewart:be like yeah i guess i should do that oh accountability but yeah but let's talk about what um what mama campbell thinks about you getting even further away from her los angeles

24:26Nicky Campbell:home i'm sure she doesn't like it i mean i'm this year for my parents they're like what the fuck are you doing? What's going on? What's happening?

24:37Jason Stewart:But why this year? This is the year that you have blown up on social media. You should be like, I'm represented now, parents. They're going to get a good Christmas present this year, right?

24:47Chris Black:Yeah, they're going to get a hand-me-down Gucci freebie, but he's saying he's saying

24:53Nicky Campbell:That's so funny because that actually is what I was literally going to do. Yeah, you should.

24:58Jason Stewart:They're getting tons of cosmetic.

24:59Chris Black:Yeah, all of a sudden they have the full Glossier collection. Mom, you like road, don't you? Well, I think your parents probably, I'm going to guess that your parents wanted you to be like a doctor or a lawyer or something. And then instead you've done something different, let's say. Correct.

25:16Nicky Campbell:Correct. I mean, they both have like PhDs and are very like academic in that way. Hold on, bitch.

25:21Chris Black:Your parents both got PhDs and you're out here on TikTok.

25:24Nicky Campbell:You're a talking head? I'm here. I'm on TikTok.

25:27Jason Stewart:I know. Okay, what about siblings? Do you have any siblings that are making them proud?

25:32Nicky Campbell:I have an older sister that works in consulting, so yes. And she went to my dad's alma mater.

25:39Chris Black:Which is, wait, I need to understand the level of education we're talking about. Are we going Ivy League?

25:44Nicky Campbell:No, she didn't do, she went to University of Michigan, which was actually more important to my father. And then she went to Northwestern. She got a master's. She's lacking on the PhD, so they're not super thrilled about that. But it's still better than me running around Parsons.

25:58Chris Black:and they were like you finished college though you finished college i unwillingly did finish college yes i did what was your what was your degree in if you don't mind me asking that's so

26:10Nicky Campbell:invasive i would never answer that um i majored in this really random kind of made up major called

26:16Chris Black:strategic design and management okay okay okay does that mean anything to you i mean people say i have a vague job let me say what let me tell you something that that that strategic design

26:27Jason Stewart:Design and management? Yeah, what are you designing and what are you managing? Yeah, those are just words.

26:30Chris Black:I don't know. But this is clothing. So you wanted to be a designer of clothing.

26:34Jason Stewart:But that sounds more impressive to your parents than like hemming. Yeah. You know what I mean? Or whatever. Draping. Yes. It's a BBA. I have a minor in draping.

26:43Nicky Campbell:Yeah, yeah. A minor in draping. I had some credentials. It actually was a fun. It was actually really cool. I didn't even really know what it was when I joined it. I just wanted to go to Parsons and be in New York. and i was like this could be interesting but it's actually really good if you want to start your own business it's a lot of like creative entrepreneur it's like raising funding like r &d okay like a lot of like good the building blocks if you if you are like a entrepreneur good it seems like good

27:16Jason Stewart:good things to learn if you're an influencer like yourself totally i mean i forgot all of them but

27:20Nicky Campbell:yeah i do think that of course so what era what era were you in new york where were you going what

27:27Chris Black:were you doing when you were a younger man like what was your nightlife oh my god scenario i feel

27:32Nicky Campbell:like i went out all the time constantly well i was really gross when i first moved here and like i went to a lot of you know like gilded lily bro it was like my scene it was like a gilded lily like up and down i'm sorry to hear that i'm sorry to hear you've come so far nicholas you really

27:50Chris Black:have come so far they weren't doing the london fashion awards at the gilded lily i'll tell you

27:55Nicky Campbell:that i love i miss it there i loved it there that was like the era that was that was my club era and then i moved and then i progressed into like paul's baby grand and okay also blanca and and whatnot and that was i guess a little more respectable and in some definitely some eyes

28:12Chris Black:it is a little more respectable but i knew that you had a bottle rat phase i could see it now

28:17Nicky Campbell:i know i always wanted to be a bottle girl i was always so endless of them you could still do it i guess i don't know i'm not as skinny as i used to be i was so i just was like cleaning up my closet which is why everything is so crazy and it's like i was going i had to have the moment where i was like i'm not a size zero anymore and like i never will be again and these have to go to the real

28:39Chris Black:real i i think you look i think you could be let's not we there's there's help out there you can get help okay if it's really you know what i mean you can get help there are people you can talk to

28:48Jason Stewart:okay so you you were you were a size zero i was a size zero i was like a size you know that you're

28:55Chris Black:you know that you're a man you know that you're a man right so i was so small well that's debatable

28:59Nicky Campbell:first of all i was i'm so small that i did not until i shit you not like two years ago fit into

29:06Jason Stewart:men's pants that's a small okay what can you give us the waist in inches we don't know what zero

29:13Nicky Campbell:means all the fellas listening i was a 24 inch yeah 24 like 24 25 damn i know what about the ass the ass wasn't there like there was no ass to be found yeah i was about to say there i was about

29:25Chris Black:to say if you if you're wearing a 24 you you basically you ain't it's stick and bone that's

29:31Nicky Campbell:that's like in bone baby but i pulled still in a different way and now i think i'm too fat to pull in the same way that I did. First of all,

29:41Chris Black:pull the jeans over your butt or pull men? No, dick. Like men.

29:47Jason Stewart:Okay, can you drop the waist size now? It's like 2830. Honey.

29:52Chris Black:Yeah, it's called being a man and you hit puberty finally and this is kind of what happens. I don't like this.

29:58Nicky Campbell:And I never agreed to it.

30:00Jason Stewart:I don't like this. Nikki, you can't go too deep into the Brian boy territory. You know what I mean?

30:05Chris Black:Right. I know you want to wear women's Phoebe Philo desperately, but I think it's probably better if you wear jeans and a North Face.

30:12Jason Stewart:We're saying a 28-inch waist as an adult man is still quite snatchiana. You should be proud of that. Really? It's very difficult to pull off.

30:21Chris Black:To give you some context, you're talking to two guys that are in the 34-36 range, which don't throw up.

30:28Nicky Campbell:My God, that is enormous. That really is. But you guys are freakishly tall humans. yeah but that doesn't it's more it's more appropriate it is more appropriate but i think

30:38Jason Stewart:i don't think anyone would consider us fat but if you're just going by you know waist inches i think

30:44Chris Black:people consider i mean i consider me fat but that's a personal issue you know that's different oh really do you want to talk about that well i grew up i grew up fat so i'm in recovery as a

30:54Nicky Campbell:oh my god those are like the best people like the guys that used to be fat and then got really

30:59Chris Black:snatched but i mean i think i still have a long way to go until they're more generous in the bedroom even despite how hot they've become right really snatched yeah totally they have an origin story they have personality it's why you're funny that it does i do i say all the time it forces you to be i mean i've said a lot of mean stuff to skinny people but they can take it you know they've been they've been blessed by god and i haven't but people think that you're very funny nikki

31:20Jason Stewart:but you were not fat so your origin story was just like scary skinny skinny yes which can go

31:27Nicky Campbell:in a different way. How mean were you? Yeah, the opposite were you in high school.

31:33Chris Black:Were you considered a bully?

31:34Nicky Campbell:No, I was...

31:35Jason Stewart:Well, actually, what city was this in, in Los Angeles first? Paint me a picture. What city was this in?

31:42Nicky Campbell:That's such a funny question.

31:43Jason Stewart:Not really.

31:44Nicky Campbell:I grew up in Hancock Park. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, he grew up tough,

31:49Chris Black:wrong side of the tracks. Yeah, yeah. I've heard of the Inland Empire. I'm sorry to hear that.

31:52Jason Stewart:Pool, okay, pool or no pool?

31:54Chris Black:But wait for it. Pool or no pool, answer the question. pool or no pool? Answer the question.

31:59Nicky Campbell:Let me tell you. I'll answer this first. Don't worry about that. I had to go to school in Studio City.

32:08Jason Stewart:What's the name of the school?

32:09Chris Black:Which private school did you go to?

32:13Nicky Campbell:The name of the school is Campbell Hall. Oh, no.

32:16Jason Stewart:I had to go to the most prestigious private school in Los Angeles where every child actor in the history of the world and singer and famous person went. That's a tough slog.

32:25Nicky Campbell:Listen, baby, when you're getting off the 101 on Ventura every day, it's not as glamorous as it's out.

32:31Chris Black:You would pull up in your Pink 3 series at Campbell Hall. And then who were some of your classmates?

32:41Jason Stewart:Yeah, so you had to get bussed in from the hood into Campbell Hall. What was it like?

32:45Nicky Campbell:Yeah, it was rough. I actually did take a school bus, though, for the record. That was kind of exciting.

32:52Jason Stewart:That was probably for a photo shoot, not for reals.

32:54Chris Black:the school bus for your water polo team for campbell hall was a mercedes sprinter with tvs in it it was really it was what was your what what was your school uniform and did you freak it

33:08Nicky Campbell:my school uniform so you know what was nice was that we had a dress code not a uniform so you could freak it a little bit and then they gave us free dress fridays free dress fridays so You would really freak it on the Friday.

33:24Chris Black:Let's say you're a junior in high school. It's free dress Friday. What is the fit? What are we coming through in to really shut it down? Archival what? No, this is not. It's Abercrombie and fit. It's fucking Gap.

33:38Nicky Campbell:It was so awful. I don't actually even remember what it was. I went through a really sporty phase. I was wearing a lot of... Actually, what was I wearing? I don't even remember. I've kind of blocked it out, and I've burned a lot of those photos.

33:50Chris Black:Were you shopping at Kitson? like what you know what i mean or were you going to no i don't think you you're not that old you're

33:56Jason Stewart:you're still you're not that old you're what like 28 something like that i'm 28 thank you i'm 29

34:01Chris Black:so thank you for going down oh god you're you're you're 20 you're 29 yeah yeah why because why god damn it because i just don't like it i don't like that you're chris isn't older guys yeah i am i like guys my own age or or older just because they usually have more money in a nicer house you

34:19Nicky Campbell:How old are you?

34:20Chris Black:43.

34:21Nicky Campbell:Oh, wow. Great.

34:23Chris Black:Nice answer.

34:24Nicky Campbell:That's cool. That's nice. That's cool. That's great. That's cute. That's cute for you. Yeah, sorry.

34:29Jason Stewart:So we're moving from Hancock Park up to Campbell Hall. We're freaking it on Fridays. And then were you like a popular fashion-y kid that everyone loved or were you a little more?

34:41Nicky Campbell:No, I was beloved and I was.

34:43Jason Stewart:Because you didn't have a fatty fat and you're beloved.

34:45Nicky Campbell:No, I was beloved and everyone loved me and I was really popular. It was fun. It was like a fun it was a fun way to grow up. I was kind of that person that was just like friends with everybody. I could like I could mingle. I could mix and mingle.

34:59Chris Black:Were you gay yet or no?

35:00Nicky Campbell:I was like gay but in a way that we weren't really discussing until senior year.

35:04Chris Black:Okay so you were out. So senior year it was like I'm out and fabulous now it's my time?

35:08Nicky Campbell:Yeah. Yes I'm out and fabulous and it is my time. But I wasn't really gay like that. I was like you know I was like more DL in a way.

35:18Chris Black:yeah yeah you're really giving dl with a 24 inch waist i gotta say that's really that's really screams dl to me and i wore the skinniest jeans you had the you had the rock star skinnies on how did your parents now how did your parents take it was it a classic we know sweetie or was

35:34Nicky Campbell:it a more of an emotional roller coaster i would say it was a we know sweetie but it but there were emotional undertones for sure um but it was like a we know this i mean my mom was always asking me like once a year she'd be like are you gay yet and i was like i don't want to talk about that right

35:47Chris Black:now like can we move on talk about that right now you know i'll take up the trash i guess yeah

35:52Jason Stewart:exactly so your mom is asking you every year if you're gay yet your dad's in the garage hitting the heavy bag drinking beers about it correct i got it that was the vibe and then my sister was

36:02Chris Black:just i don't even know where she was and yeah there's a lot of those guys in hancock park jason

36:06Jason Stewart:you know that there's a lot of those guys okay okay wow this is okay yeah you after after call it or i mean after campbell hall then you go to parsons in new york city begin your club rat phase and then you started working vogue tom brown that was that was the that was the trajectory what'd

36:25Chris Black:you do at tom brown i did whatever they wanted me to he got he got he got matt foley his coffee and i did made sure kelly's nails were always done i did whatever kelly and mr mathie wanted

36:38Nicky Campbell:me to do the thing is i did it with a smile i would also do whatever they told me to do with

36:43Chris Black:the smile and have basically for some reason i just yeah trust them i was deeply deeply intimidated

36:50Nicky Campbell:i was like shake you know i was like what do you want because they were just like so hot and so tall and so like fierce and so thin they're really they're really hot but what i always tell what i

36:59Chris Black:always tell people what i always tell people about matt and kelly is that they're such a pleasure to be around and it's so nice and easy and it's because they they know how hot they are and they have to act accordingly because if you're that if you're if you're if you're blessed by god and you look like that yeah you're a dick people are like yeah he's a fucking dick if you're nice it's like oh my god this is the greatest thing i've ever witnessed like correct you're smart and funny and cool and you look like that it's it's it's power it's real power yeah they they did not use their

37:28Nicky Campbell:power for evil they were actually really kind and lovely yeah 100 everything was everything was great i mean and when i started there it was like there was no one really else there it was like not the not the team that they have now you know it was like yeah yeah it was it was a little more

37:43Jason Stewart:grassroots so you were there before chris was working with them even i wonder if we crossed

37:48Chris Black:it's crazy we might have crossed paths at some you guys hold brothers like were you were you were you around during were you around during the lebron era uh yes i was around during the lebron era i wonder how we i wonder because we were going to barcelona all the time to dress fc barcelona that was like a big thing that i worked on and i would i was in the office relatively often that's so funny i didn't realize uzi playing football i remember that yeah yeah you know i threw a touchdown pass to uzi i don't want to i mean you know how did you yeah i don't want to stunt i mean he's not a great athlete but i'll never forget that tom brown football because his bodyguards were just laughing at him while he was trying to play football and it was they were like guys that clearly had played football at some level and they were just laughing at him it's fun for everyone he's a small little guy he's a very little guy what was your okay so in that this makes more sense now because you sound like the perfect body type for the tom brown uniform now that you're

38:38Nicky Campbell:saying i didn't have the height but i had the the petite what size were you in tom brown a one a men's one maybe i think that was a little too big but and they did have to take it in god bless i know i'm swimming in this one and did you leave did you leave the taps on the shoes or did you

38:53Chris Black:take them off i'm pro tap i left them yeah hell yeah real ones leave the tap i left them real

38:58Nicky Campbell:ones i like that i love it i think it's the way to be okay so if your time at tom brown was so

39:04Jason Stewart:magical and awesome why did you leave and why have you not worked at any other fashion houses

39:10Nicky Campbell:i wanted to leave because i was more interested in the editorial side of things and so when i was there and then i went to vogue and then i was like this is interesting but also not my vibe and then and then i went to cfda and then and then you know i was like i never went back to a brand but i i would i like working for i actually like working for a brand but you have to really deeply fuck with that brand otherwise it's yeah yeah yeah i think that's what's no i

39:36Chris Black:think that's the thing about tom is that like everybody there is there because they want to be and it doesn't yes you know which is like a pretty rare where vogue i mean that's the beauty of vogue is that no one there needs to be there financially. And that's why it's such a beautiful situation and one that I've always deeply respected. There's nothing better than hot people that don't need jobs busting their ass. Showing up for the love of the game. Because they just love it.

40:03Nicky Campbell:Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful. It was a beautiful environment in that way.

40:06Jason Stewart:So you're currently a free agent doing your own content, doing influencing, or is there something we don't know about?

40:14Chris Black:I'm a free agent baby. You have several team members though. You're not out here alone. I'm sure you have an assistant and a manager. We have like.

40:23Nicky Campbell:You know it's so funny. Well now I do. Yes. I have like a. I have a manager and agent. I used to have a publicist. I sort of don't need them. So I kind of got rid of them. Do you have a cameraman? I have a. I have people that I hire. For like to use my show. That I do. So when you're doing your.

40:39Chris Black:When you're doing your popular videos. That's literally you in bed. With the front facing camera.

40:44Nicky Campbell:Yeah. And then do you edit those? Me and that Alex are a light.

40:49Chris Black:Do you edit those yourself or do you have somebody that edits them?

40:52Nicky Campbell:I edit them myself. I've tried to outsource. I think it's a thing I just can't outsource it. It's like they never get my vision and I have to do it. I have to do it myself. I'm so anal about that stuff.

41:03Jason Stewart:The timing is very specific, I'm sure.

41:05Nicky Campbell:Yes, the timing is specific.

41:07Chris Black:That feels like a smart use of your time because that's still everyone's or most people's introduction to you. So you want to keep that as tight as possible.

41:15Nicky Campbell:Yes. It feels like the thing that I can't really let anybody touch. But other things, I'm happy to be outsourced.

41:23Chris Black:The beauty, what I like of it is when I can tell that you're hungover. That's my favorite. Oh my God. That's my favorite. And you know what?

41:29Nicky Campbell:It's a lot. It's a lot of the time.

42:05Jason Stewart:I mean, because we're talking about an event that just happened last night and, you know, a lot of times you were there. or at the after party for it. So I think it's better. And we like consuming that content when we're hungover ourselves.

42:20Nicky Campbell:Oh, really? That's funny. I feel like I would have a voice that would not be maybe conductive to hangover. It's great. It absolutely kills my nerves, but I can't get enough of the information. I can't help myself.

42:32Chris Black:I'm a junkie.

42:33Nicky Campbell:That's nice. That's beautiful. Thank you for saying that. It's a nice thing to say.

42:37Jason Stewart:What's your drink of choice, Niki?

42:39Nicky Campbell:Anything with tequila.

42:40Jason Stewart:Okay.

42:40Nicky Campbell:I lately have been doing a tequila on the rocks with a little bit of lime juice.

42:45Chris Black:That's very size zero behavior. That's very size zero behavior.

42:49Nicky Campbell:Well, the calories in a margarita. Don't even look into that.

42:53Chris Black:Don't worry. I don't look into any calories. That's part of my journey. Okay, got it.

42:57Jason Stewart:Okay, so now that the videos are gaining popularity, you're doing other video-related content, you and other celebs and fashion people are criticizing other people's looks, follower accounts growing and growing do you think you're going to hit a point where you get too big to be able to say mean things about other people no i don't think so who's confronted who's confronted you though i know somebody's confronted you i wouldn't say a lot of people confronted me

43:23Chris Black:actually you're telling me lupita nwongo hasn't kind of taken you to the corner and been like bitch what what what'd you what'd you say bitch i'm this little fucking tweet you don't understand what you're dealing with fucking god i met lupita she was really lovely no i think because i think honestly even though you're being mean is not the word i would use i feel like i don't know i feel like people generally have a sense of humor especially if it's about clothes or i would

43:47Nicky Campbell:like them to if they're rich and famous at least yes i think that they do i mean there's like funny sometimes yeah everyone's been pretty like pretty easygoing and playful about it i mean there was one time when i was at the i was uh i was at that armani party that they do for the oscars the day before which is like very star-studded and i was there and i was like walking out and walking in was that actress um isa gonzalez and she like made a beeline for me she was like i know you like i'm going to offer tomorrow you better not say some shit about me but like she got very like fierce and fiery and i was like oh okay whatever and i was like okay that was actually maybe the first time someone could find me but then i saw her like the next day at some like after party and i was like so nervous i was like hi how are you what are you because i all came so fast i'm like what are you talking about i love you like i love everything you do and i love everything you're wearing and i love your music and your film you know like i'm so fake um and she was like oh i'm looking at the ig right now she's she's uh she is she's bad one of the hottest women alive but she was totally like actually joking and like now we're friends and she was

44:56Jason Stewart:like oh i love you i love what you do but the clothes could be bad though clothes could be better yeah the clothes not to yeah you can i'll let you say that i think that celebrities

45:06Chris Black:unfortunately and we forget this at least with actors in my personal experience or opinion they're not cool like they don't care about clothes really that's not like they wear whatever somebody hands they're like geeks that were in drama and they're forced to put on a gown because they have to sell the thing they care about it's not what they want to do i think i think some musicians have like an actual passion for it and like it yeah and there's actors of course that do but i think it is like we forget that this is not it's become such a sort of industry in itself i'm like these people don't want to do this they'd much rather be at home fucking watching netflix like everybody else but they have to go whore themselves out i know i think they hate it

45:43Nicky Campbell:i really do think they hate it yeah it sucks and like they have to do so much more and everything sound like such higher visibility scales now like the scale everything has been so crazy i mean it's like you do one movie and now you have to do like a premiere in like 10 different cities yeah and it's like i mean they probably fucking that's what the money's for that's what the money is for yeah i mean fashion pays a lot of their bills you know so it's like i think they kind

46:07Jason Stewart:of just swallow it ultimately yeah johnny depp's not really getting a lot of acting gigs lately but that sauvage paper is hitting b selling baby selling crazy he must really sell sauvage because

46:18Chris Black:that is a i mean oh my god i i don't i think it's like one of the best performing fragrances It is, but I've never smelled Sauvage. I mean, I guess I walk through duty-free a lot, so I guess I'm getting a nose full by accident.

46:29Nicky Campbell:You've gotten a whiff unwillingly.

46:31Chris Black:I've never tried to smell Sauvage, I'll say. Let me put it that way.

46:35Nicky Campbell:Well, no. No one with taste would go out of their way to try that. You know what I mean?

46:39Chris Black:It's just so funny that - Maybe you don't understand the Sauvage. Fragrance world makes a fortune. It's a huge business, and it's like the big one. When we were kids, Jason and I, it was like polo was it. You had Polo Sport, basically, and you had Polo. And those were the two fragrances.

46:54Jason Stewart:Yeah, Acqua Deggio and Cool Water as well.

46:56Chris Black:Yeah, Cool Water is a big one. But now it feels like there's too many, and there's all these nerds that are in. These dorks that are deep into fragrance kills me. It's hilarious to me.

47:06Nicky Campbell:It's a really interesting industry. Before I was doing this, I was actually working for Estee Lauder. And I dabbled in the fragrance world. And I was like, oh, my God, this is so different than fashion. And I have no idea what I'm doing. but there's so much money swirling around there but it really is just also like all marketing like you have to like spend big or else you're not gonna really make it because but the ads are

47:30Chris Black:competition now i feel like the ads historically are corny so people still make like you make you make natalie portman look bad you know what i mean it's like impossible to do it's like you make it so corny but i guess i mean whatever i guess it works what do i know i mean they're not really

47:46Nicky Campbell:like you know once you're in those infrastructures of like the l 'oreal d 'estee lauder or like shit's just got to get done yeah shit's got to get done they're on crazy different timelines and a lot of times there is no overlap between like the fashion you know which which fashion does yeah it's two different creative so beautifully and they like don't they don't

48:03Chris Black:different departments yeah when did you get to when did you quit your job when did you know it was time to be a star what happened what check what check cleared where you're like all right

48:12Nicky Campbell:bitch i'm out it was only like maybe nine months ago it was in february i was at my job and i i had this deal from like oh i think it was neiman marcus and they wanted to me to be like their correspondent and so they were like we would want you to go to like every city you know go to shows and interview people like what are you wearing you know the whole thing and then um i was like okay that could be cool and it was like just enough money where i was like maybe this is like you know hold me over for like two months or something like that i was like that seems like a lot of money compared to like what i was making so then i was like maybe i should do this and then i called my mom she was like are you fucking crazy i was like i don't know it just seems like a good idea and then i i told my boss and i was like i think i have to quit to do this he was like are you sure everyone's like are you sure and i was like yeah i just feel like there's something here

49:03Chris Black:and then you bet on yourself and that's why you're sitting here talking to us on how long gone today well period exactly i've made a baby but it was so crazy because i remember what being like

49:11Nicky Campbell:i hope i could pay my bill my parents were like we're not going to bail you out you know what i mean just like no we're not going to bail you out whatever i was like okay well my ass need to like shut the fuck up and then um and i literally i mean i was like i hope another job comes through and like that month i made like my salary within like one month and i was like okay see now you're

49:30Chris Black:gonna give you're gonna give you're gonna give asparic influencers false hope just so you understand most people that doesn't that's not that's not how it works most people that is not

49:39Jason Stewart:how it goes you think so definitely hell no you know how many people want to be influencers and how many people make a living wage at influencing that is so dark that is so dark to think about i

49:50Chris Black:would say i would say more people than should make a living off of it based on what i see

49:54Jason Stewart:yeah but you know not everybody well like like like nikki said before you know it really depends on what their face looks like. That is a large part of it. You know, talent is, you know, take it or give it, but I think the way you look and how hard you work, and you can really get there. You're saying I'm really gorgeous. You're gorgeous is what I'm hearing. You're a hardworking baddie with no talent, and that's why you're talking to us today.

50:24Nicky Campbell:That is so true. That's so nice.

50:27Chris Black:So now that you're living this fashion jet set lifestyle, you're in milan you're in paris you're in la you're you're rubbing elbows with the hollywood greats yeah what are you what are you buying because i feel like you must be i know you're getting more for free but that also means yeah you're more inclined to cop that is such a great

50:45Nicky Campbell:question and i would love to answer it and you know what's funny is like i've become this person i don't know what happened to me and i do i mean i always have felt like an elderly white woman like on the inside but i really have become like a the row fanatic oh see okay so i i wonder i

51:03Jason Stewart:wonder what the difference was could it been could it be the hundreds of thousands of dollars that

51:07Chris Black:you are making now compared to 10 years ago that is so crazy i know okay so you're going all right so you're going jennifer lawrence harry styles mode but but when i catch you when i catch you

51:18Jason Stewart:in the streets what do but okay for the for the row sorry to interrupt chris what percentage male and what percentage female from the row collection are you wearing? Oh, so I don't know. I mean, I never really look at that stuff.

51:30Nicky Campbell:I think it's probably 50-50. Okay, all right.

51:33Chris Black:All right. All right, they, them. Calm down. All right.

51:35Jason Stewart:But you know what side the buttons are on, though, right? You know what side the zipper's pulling?

51:39Chris Black:It's on different floors at the store, also. I just want to be clear. Men's is all the way at the top. So if you go three flights up.

51:45Jason Stewart:And the women's mannequins, they got titties and the men's don't, but otherwise.

51:50Nicky Campbell:But I mean, you make a good point. I try on at store, but I don't usually buy at store.

51:57Chris Black:Because you're using your MyTeresa discount at home? I know the scams, bro. I know how these fucking people operate. Okay.

52:05Jason Stewart:So you're keeping brick and mortar dead by you go in there. You use it as a free place to try the clothes on, take a picture in the beautiful lighting. And then go online and buy it for$100 less. 100%.

52:16Nicky Campbell:It shows about your house. 100%. 100%. Well, the$100, the 10 % off can really make a difference sometimes. you know, brings it down.

52:24Jason Stewart:10 % of 3400 is a decent little chunk of change, isn't it?

52:27Chris Black:If I go in a store, if I go in a store and I like something and I try it on and they help me try it on out of the, I can't go buy it on the internet. I have to buy it. White guilt.

52:36Nicky Campbell:We got to buy it.

52:37Chris Black:I just, I can't,

52:38Nicky Campbell:I don't have any of that. I just don't,

52:40Chris Black:I don't need to. I just feel like I, maybe it's because I worked retail and I respect the craft. And if somebody is good at it, I want them to get the commission. Right.

52:48Nicky Campbell:So what does good at it mean?

52:49Chris Black:Good at it. At this point, it's the, I mean, the, the ceiling is on the floor at this point so i mean just being being relatively not following me around like a criminal right no ipad in sight right and not suggest not suggesting things that are clearly 40 times more expensive than the items i'm actually looking at right right you know what

53:09Jason Stewart:i mean you can tell when the salesperson is cool and gets it and they're they're not trying to push you they're just trying to let you do your thing yeah i've glass of bubbles because of how i look

53:18Chris Black:because of how i look i think there could be some confusion on my uh knowledge level depending on the place that i'm in oh right chris likes that okay okay sometimes i can get spoken down to um which is nice because it makes me until he pulls out his chrome hearts wallet and everyone gasps they're just like i just i feel like a lot i had an experience at phoebe philo where i was like i was i got mad because the guy mansplained buying to me and then i realized that it was just because he thought I was some like Upper East Side rich guy. And I was like, well, that's a compliment actually. You know, I reframed it.

53:52Nicky Campbell:That's nice that you present that way. I know, I know.

53:55Chris Black:Because sometimes people tell me I present much differently than that. So I'm glad to hear that.

53:59Nicky Campbell:Yeah, I mean, you could go either way with you depending on what you're wearing. Either way in what sense? I look gay or I don't? That's not what I was going to say. So maybe we should unpack that. But that's where your mind went.

54:11Jason Stewart:One part Upper East Side rich guy who doesn't know about clothes and then one part downtown. Poor guy who can't afford these clothes.

54:18Nicky Campbell:I was going to say rich and poor.

54:20Chris Black:Rich and poor is fine. I mean, I love that because I'm much, much closer to poor and I would like to stay that way because I'm afraid of what would happen. Got it. I'm afraid of what would happen. I don't want to turn into a Nicky. You know what I mean? Abusing salespeople. I have.

54:32Nicky Campbell:I know. Listen, I have become such a monster so fast. It's really kind of disturbing. I can't like... Deep down, you knew this was going to happen though, right? I might have. Yeah. i think i i think i might have because the other i'm everything has become so ridiculous i'm like i can't even step into the gym now if it's like not with my trainer you know what i mean i'm like

54:52Chris Black:i don't know what to do i feel like you're that i feel like you're like like the way well i when i walk down the street with kareem it's like i'm walking down the street with a former president like people cannot like it's insane people are trying to get pictures trying to shake his hand oh really yeah i feel like you're yeah i feel like you're getting right i feel like in certain circles you're having to do a lot of like cameo style content.

55:16Jason Stewart:Yeah, what types of locations are the most hot for you?

55:19Chris Black:Where are you getting recognized? Which equinox is it? Not the steam room. I'm talking regular stuff. Okay, that's helpful. Thank you.

55:27Nicky Campbell:On the floor. Thank you. That's really helpful.

55:28Chris Black:Whoa, Jason. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

55:32Jason Stewart:I need you on the floor.

55:34Nicky Campbell:I will say it's kind of everywhere.

55:37Chris Black:Oh, this guy. Alright. It's actually fucking everywhere. I can't go fucking anytime do they just want to say hi or do they want the flick I hate the flick because I'm never prepared

55:51Nicky Campbell:I don't have photo approval

55:54Jason Stewart:and that's what they care about the most it gives them the most social currency

55:59Chris Black:see I would want you if I was a fan I would want you to read me down IRL which is obviously more pressure and even worse than a photo but I need you to show me

56:11Nicky Campbell:your skills to make sure they're real oh right right i know i do get a lot of that and that i don't um i don't i don't love because i'm like i am i am somewhat of a nice person so it's not like you know when i see someone that's wearing something horrible i want to just be like you

56:27Chris Black:look like shit you know of course not a stranger doesn't need your your your yeah it doesn't doesn't need that i agree they won't i don't think i don't think they really yeah but if

56:37Jason Stewart:They're like, read me down, read me down. And you're like, you could lose 20. It doesn't feel good saying that to someone's face. You know what I mean? Oh, your shirt.

56:46Chris Black:Actually, your shirt's beautiful, but you could definitely lose weight if that's what you're...

56:50Nicky Campbell:That's exactly what you're looking for.

56:52Chris Black:I'm sure. Oh, those pants fit you perfectly, but they could be smaller, if you know what I mean.

56:56Jason Stewart:No notes except for you're really fat. Yeah, exactly. Speaking of people who are not fat, but maybe you do have notes on, I wanted to discuss. I sent you a message earlier. Jack Antonoff's Heather hoodie on the red carpet.

57:13Chris Black:Best he's ever looked. It's best he's ever looked. It is, right?

57:15Jason Stewart:Hold on. Hold on. Your quote, there's a photo of him. You can pull it up. It's from an awards show. Variety Hitmakers event last night.

57:25Chris Black:These fake award shows are paying Nikki's bills. I'll tell you what. They come up with a new fake award show. He gets a call. He's loving it.

57:30Jason Stewart:Nikki says, can't sleep too busy thinking about this Jack Antonoff fit. and you so you can't really tell is it good is it bad is it a subversive statement on the culture of red carpet dressing and quiet luxury is it full the row or j crew was it strategically styled or did he just roll out of bed we need answers i haven't gotten any so everyone can pull that up

57:52Nicky Campbell:answers but i would still like some because i think it was kind of brilliant and genius i don't

57:57Chris Black:think the row i don't think the row makes a hooded sweatshirt i think the pants are the row i think Was he wearing those eel loafers that we got to retire? We got to retire the eel loafers.

58:05Nicky Campbell:Shut up. I just bought a pair. They're great.

58:08Chris Black:Wow. I expect more from you. You're five years late. Are the loafers eel?

58:12Jason Stewart:I can't tell. They look kind of right.

58:14Chris Black:I think they're timeless.

58:15Nicky Campbell:I think they're timeless.

58:16Chris Black:See, I actually disagree. I think because of the rouging around the edge, they're not timeless. That's my issue with them.

58:23Nicky Campbell:Yeah. I tried the ones that are regular leather, but I don't know. They're just a little too flat for me. I like a little more structure. it was the bottom half of that look was giving the row that sweatshirt was that sweatshirt also could have been vintage it could have been vintage it had a it had a nice quality to it that that

58:39Chris Black:felt worn if you want me to find out i can i'm gonna ask patricia i'll find out can you i really need to know yeah so so do you do you like the look overall i think i love it actually okay i mean i think that i and you're a great person to talk this about i think that like men should stop experimenting like i don't think men should be like i don't think straight with clothing with clothing with clothing right well thank you like i think i think jack antonoff looked great in in some pants and a sweatshirt because that's what men should be wearing not some weird cropped boxy suit that's like nobody looks good in this shit all right all right joe rogan all right not uh

59:19Jason Stewart:not scars guard wearing patent leather thigh highs are you not into that yeah like i know you put you

59:25Chris Black:No, I know you put Ronson in the thigh highs, and I need to talk to him about that because that feels like elder abuse on your part. What? That feels like you put... Mark Ronson is one of our best-looking male celebrities that has held it down for decades wearing fucking jeans and T-shirts and fucking North Face jackets.

59:44Jason Stewart:Yeah, we want him playing Mary J. Blige songs, not dressing like Mary J. Blige, okay? I love...

59:50Chris Black:And Mark looks great in a... Who looks better in a tuxedo than Mark Ronson? No one. You got him out here gay baiting in a way that it feels predatory. Honestly, it feels predatory.

59:59Nicky Campbell:Well, I will say it feels predatory. I have awakened something within the gay community and Mark Ronson. My DMs are now just like I get at least five a day. It's like, is Mark Ronson gay? Is Mark Ronson gay? I'm like, first of all, you can Google him and see that he has a wife and children. But also I'm like, relax. They're so they're so feral, you know? Yeah, they're so feral.

1:00:20Chris Black:If they think if they're like this man, hold on. This guy looks like that. his hair looks like that and he knows lady gaga i'm trying to fuck that's it that's it really is that he works with every pop star he can he can text lady gaga hold the fuck on yeah hold on well

1:00:35Jason Stewart:yeah once the impossible becomes possible everyone gets feral you know what i mean that is that is him him potentially turning is life-altering news for the gay community you can't you can't you can't

1:00:48Chris Black:be doing that to him because you put him in those boots and i appreciate that mark is down to clown and letting you do your thing and you're having fun. Down, yeah. But if I had something to do and you tried to put me in those boots, I'd be like, all right, that's it. We're done. We're done here.

1:01:00Nicky Campbell:What? Leave the hotel. Oh, you're going to hate what we have planned. I actually just had a fitting with him today because he has some fun little – he's like weirdly – he's too booked actually. He needs to take a break. But we have some awards season fun things coming up, and it is going to be so diabolical. You're going to hate it.

1:01:19Chris Black:I will say though I will say that when you guys went through when you guys on your podcast and you went through all of his looks over the years and critiqued him to his face I have to say that was some of the better content I've seen because he was such a good sport about it and so funny about it and you were just like you were just shocked by everything you just couldn't believe that he wore it and it's like yeah I had a Beatles haircut and a skinny double-breasted blue suit with Amy Winehouse

1:01:46Nicky Campbell:I was shocked I did not recognize his game you know at the time i was like oh shit you're like fucking crazy like you're going you're going

1:01:54Chris Black:for it well there's also that time i feel like there's less guys that were going for i think every guy is going for it now you know that's what i mean that's what the problem is like alexander skarsgård gay baiting for six months for this movie that will not win an oscar is like is it work is it like there's a picture there's a there's a clip there's a clip of him on graham norton where like an older british woman that was on the panel with him was like yeah are you gay and he was like, well, not really. It's like, dude, you're not gay. You can't say not really. Oh, is he gay?

1:02:24Jason Stewart:You can't just giggle to yourself and say no comment. That's unfair to me.

1:02:30Chris Black:That's disrespectful to my community. That's dirty baiting. I don't know.

1:02:34Nicky Campbell:I can't stand for it. I could see him being bi, though.

1:02:37Chris Black:Bi is not a real thing, and you know that. We don't do that.

1:02:44Nicky Campbell:Not bi, but he would let someone suck it. You know what I mean? Well, that's just regular. That's different.

1:02:49Chris Black:That's not.

1:02:50Nicky Campbell:Oh, okay.

1:02:51Chris Black:Yeah, that's different.

1:02:53Nicky Campbell:Yeah, that's different.

1:02:53Chris Black:Because in the gay community, you guys have a popular phrase, a hole is a hole. And straight people, we don't really. That's correct. We don't really subscribe to that in the same way.

1:03:02Nicky Campbell:I know. What an interesting way to live your life.

1:03:06Chris Black:Yeah. Positively. It's hard out here, bro. You don't know what we go through. We get to run all of the biggest corporations in the country, but we can't go into a bathroom and all of a sudden leave.

1:03:17Jason Stewart:Okay, on this topic, Nicholas, in your heart of hearts, is Seth Meyers a top or a bottom? Oh, my God.

1:03:25Nicky Campbell:Do not. I'm going to break out into sweat. I love him so much. He is what we call a soft top.

1:03:35Chris Black:Say more. So you're saying he's making love to you. He's not putting it down.

1:03:39Nicky Campbell:Yes. So a dom top is like They walk And they want you ass up Face down Rail you leave It would be like a sweet kind of thought Like he wants to make love

1:03:55Chris Black:And be like

1:03:56Nicky Campbell:Are you okay? I brought bagels Something like that He's so hot

1:04:02Chris Black:And a juice press for me

1:04:04Jason Stewart:And a juice press for you I feel like Seth Meyers

1:04:07Chris Black:is if Seth you liking Seth Myers is very I went to Campbell Hall coded I feel like that's a guy that you went to

1:04:12Nicky Campbell:high school yeah so yeah how does

1:04:15Jason Stewart:Seth Myers become how does Seth become your number one of all the dick and the world what's going on I don't know he's not a bad looking guy good looking guy smart funny he's great yeah he's one of the best to do that job doesn't really appeal on appear in a lot of

1:04:28Nicky Campbell:you know no I think that's why I like him I like a guy that's a little nerdy and a little like he's fun it's it's it's a sense of humor that really does get me you know he's funny he can hang like he has confidence

1:04:41Chris Black:in his in his sense of humor i think are any of these are any of these top gays in your dms has your dating life opened up into a new portal because of your popularity top guy i do

1:04:53Nicky Campbell:i don't know i don't know i don't know what stroke you just had um has it i was going british for you sorry oh yeah yeah yeah yeah oh i got it okay i'm putting it together now um yeah it has like there's definitely a lot of things going on in dms but it's also like not because i'm not in one place at like for like more than like a week and that's not super

1:05:17Chris Black:conductive to anything i think when i said dating you know what i meant so don't act like it's not

1:05:22Jason Stewart:long i think that's conductive to 18 minutes of dumb topping yeah it seems like it works out

1:05:27Nicky Campbell:pretty darn well yeah while you're waiting for the door dash to hit you're right so then in your context absolutely it's going great but in terms of long time love and companionship it's a little more difficult it has never it has never been worse i think that's also why i need to leave new york aren't you married are you married right are you both married yeah we're both married yeah ew that is so annoying about a dollar every time a gay guy told me that yeah that's yeah

1:05:59Chris Black:Trust me, women don't say that. Oh, my God. That pisses me off so much. What do you... Okay. I'm sorry to hear that.

1:06:08Jason Stewart:Can you say why?

1:06:09Chris Black:Why? I don't like to see other people happy. Okay. I appreciate your honesty. I think that is coming from a real place.

1:06:16Jason Stewart:The coolest thing that you said this whole hour. I know. It is.

1:06:20Nicky Campbell:It's so crazy. How did you find it? What are the steps? I just don't get it. You know what I mean?

1:06:26Chris Black:I don't get it. I think your current lifestyle is probably not conducive to it, but maybe one day when you settle down and you have your own content farm. Right.

1:06:35Nicky Campbell:But then when is that going to be? You know what I mean? When is that going to be?

1:06:39Jason Stewart:You're going to be 37. Give it eight years.

1:06:42Nicky Campbell:Yeah. Something like that. I would rather fucking swallow a knife than wait until I'm 37.

1:06:48Jason Stewart:Well, I mean, you could be – I mean, if you weren't so busy doing a zillion things, bopping all over the world, city to city, it would be sooner. but you're going to have to meet a lot of people that you don't like, figure out what you don't like. And then one day one person's going to be like, oh, I can hang out this person forever. I would rather hang out with them than be alone. And then, then you're good.

1:07:11Chris Black:Okay.

1:07:11Jason Stewart:You probably know gay people too. Yeah.

1:07:13Chris Black:I know a lot of gay, I know a lot of gay people. And the reason they're able to be in beautiful long-term relationships is because they can also fuck whoever they want, whenever they want. So it seems to be a fine thing. I think you're going to be okay in that sense.

1:07:25Nicky Campbell:I know. You know what? I just don't know if I could do that because I'm a Gemini. I would go crazy so fast and in such an intense, aggressive way.

1:07:33Chris Black:Crazy on what? I don't think you have a choice. I don't think your community gives you a choice. I know. You're kind of right. And that's on you, not on us. Not to gay-splain it to you. Do the work, mama. Do the work.

1:07:46Jason Stewart:We can't help you here. I know.

1:07:48Chris Black:We can only do so much for you. We can only do so much for you. I know. When is the last time that you flew a coach?

1:07:58Nicky Campbell:you know what last year it's been a year it was awful when you do fly coach are you wearing a full disguise yes absolutely but no i'm actually gonna do it i'm gonna do it soon but what to go back to your root not even your roots but to feel something nope i'm going because i'm going to my i'm going to miami in like two weeks and like it just isn't it's a short flight for like a two-hour flight i'm like okay we can't you know we have to yeah but then the upgrades the upgrades 200 bucks just

1:08:33Chris Black:do it bitch come on exactly exactly no i no i agree with you anything that i don't have to sleep it's not worth the money if i don't have to sleep if i don't need to wake up and do something i think it's totally fine if you if you need to fly first class from miami new york to miami you have a problem right and i don't have a problem you definitely have a problem and that's why we're

1:08:51Jason Stewart:gonna check in after this and see what you do okay so what what is the what is the airplane airport outfit look in disguise i big apple headphones hood sunglasses what's going on it's

1:09:04Nicky Campbell:a whole yes yes all of it all of it i do like to travel like i'm incognito because i will say the worst place to get recognized is an airport it's just object objectively upsetting nowhere to run to nowhere to hide nowhere to run to nowhere to hide i would say it's like a it's like a hoodie black baseball cap sunglasses the headphones are on and i do some sort of like an elevated you know sweatsuit elevated although i started now doing like you know i'll wear a jean and then i'll bring like a like a you know like a cashmere sort of like pant that i change into

1:09:37Chris Black:okay that's it that's that's too that's too diva mode this is my flying pant people who change into the fucking pajamas on i'm like dude relax where so the the whales bonner track pants aren't

1:09:49Jason Stewart:Enough. You have to go cashmere. I love the cashmere.

1:09:53Chris Black:It just feels so nice. Yeah, of course. Cashmere pants. Cashmere pants. No, cashmere pants are too soft. Sweaters only. That is such a horrible take. I don't need hard pants, but I don't want pants that soft.

1:10:04Jason Stewart:We're too straight to wear cashmere pants.

1:10:06Chris Black:Yeah, that's just too far.

1:10:06Jason Stewart:Do you feel like that's a gay thing? It's like Travis Kelsey. It's beyond gay. Like who would wear cashmere pants?

1:10:11Chris Black:No, it's not. It's not gay. It's like rich mom that veers into gay.

1:10:16Jason Stewart:No, I'm talking about for males. Obviously, women wearing it's a different story.

1:10:19Chris Black:The rules are different.

1:10:19Jason Stewart:Some people would say that I'm a woman.

1:10:22Chris Black:See, that's the thing. You don't give me that, actually. That's what's funny about you. I don't feel that at all from you.

1:10:27Nicky Campbell:That's so nice. Thank you for saying that. You're mask presenting. I don't feel that way either, actually.

1:10:32Chris Black:Also, because of your relationship with Jacob, and I saw you at the Hanover party on Friday hanging out with all the bros. Yes. Like a real, that takes a certain skill. Like you couldn't do that. You're not, I don't know. It just requires something that some people don't have that you do. you i have an enormous amount of straight guy friends i know it's it's cool it's a it's powerful

1:10:54Nicky Campbell:yeah that's my boy you know we went we met when i was like playing so i was like i used to be friends with mostly boys actually because i was like really i thought i was going to be like professional soccer player that was like my journey before all of this growing up so that's how i met jacob we were playing soccer together soccer together oh that's that's that's really

1:11:14Chris Black:fun all right so do you still hit the pickup game with the fellows i don't i don't have i don't do

1:11:18Nicky Campbell:that anymore because i'm like not interested in like playing for like like i either want to go to the olympics or nothing you know what i mean like i don't think sports are like i don't think sports

1:11:29Jason Stewart:are like a good hobby actually you know well we can get that 28 30 waist down to a 24 26 mama

1:11:35Nicky Campbell:real quick let's go messy go three months on the pitch watch your fucking mouth baby i'm doing 12 3.30 like nobody's tomorrow these days.

1:11:43Chris Black:Me too, sweetie. Let's walk. I'm going to go do 12.3.30 as soon as we get off this fucking podcast. It really works. Could you guys

1:11:49Jason Stewart:explain what that is to our listeners at home, please?

1:11:51Chris Black:It's when you walk on an incline 12 speed 3 for 30 minutes. It's an Instagram. It's a workout for women that became popular on Instagram.

1:11:59Jason Stewart:And it works. And Chris, you do it every time.

1:12:01Chris Black:I do it every day, yeah. I just like being actually sweaty before I start lifting weights. I like to be actually warmed up, which I think is the easiest like low impact way to do that and look at you now you're you're withering away I can't even see you that's that Tokyo sunshine coming in from the right you know you guys honestly this is this is beautiful I podcasted with you guys while the sun was rising over over Tokyo I have to say it was poetic I have no interest in that but it does sound nice well look at if I could do my job from bed I would but some of us got to get up we got to Plug our damn microphones in, okay?

1:12:36Chris Black:Your journey is boring to me, but I'm happy for you, Chris. We can't all be Alex Earl, bitch, okay? Don't forget it.

1:12:43Jason Stewart:All right, Nikki. That's on the vision board. We're all done here. Is there anything that you want to announce? Any new stuff in the works? Any big things you want to announce or just business as usual?

1:12:55Nicky Campbell:I have nothing going on. I'm going to Miami. That's going to be fun. This is just for a holiday.

1:13:01Jason Stewart:What brand? This is for a holiday.

1:13:05Nicky Campbell:the brand is new year's and it's going to be really exciting for me you're going to miami for new year's yeah i've never done that before it could either go really great or really horribly bro i know that's that's terrifying do you do what's your itinerary i don't have one actually i have well so one thing on my itinerary is carbone no that's a great i just went in vegas and it slapped it was so good i just they're everywhere it's so exhausting but i do love

1:13:29Jason Stewart:them i can't okay so you're gonna get on a plane and go to carbone a restaurant that you could go to tonight i know shout out kate bailey we're gonna set you up down there we'll set you up

1:13:37Chris Black:down there in miami okay i mean i feel like that that feels appropriate i mean to be fair you approve of that okay great i approve of it from a funny standpoint yes i would like you to have

1:13:47Jason Stewart:something a little more local and a little more of the people in the culture something a little cuban south american flavor no i don't like that jason we've talked to him we've talked to him for

1:13:57Chris Black:an hour do you think he's yeah i was about to say we've talked to him for an hour he does not want

1:14:00Jason Stewart:to do that he's like all right i'm you get off the plane and you're like sugar fish to the hotel

1:14:05Nicky Campbell:delivery oh my god i do it all the time yeah he's going to pastis and sugar fish

1:14:11Chris Black:my kind of guy right there my kind of guy right there all right nikki thanks for joining us have a wonderful holiday holiday season hopefully we'll see you soon of course you too i hope so

1:14:20Nicky Campbell:too was this helpful for you did you get what you needed we got everything we needed mr campbell

1:14:24Chris Black:very helpful for us yeah we got i feel it was very helpful thank you so much for your time

1:14:29Nicky Campbell:thank you so much for your time honored thank you so much i love you both all right we'll see you

1:14:34Chris Black:later bye

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