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7:38Jason Stewart:where there was no there was like a hokkaido fish market when you walk in there exactly exactly

7:44George Civeris:exactly exactly we have to talk about this this rob reiner stuff because it's one of the darkest stories i've ever heard i really it's really one of the darkest things i've ever heard to the point where it's like i actually and i never feel like this but the the media is really reaching and like a guy from the hollywood reporter wrote a story about going to dinner with them 10 years ago it's

8:06Jason Stewart:just getting it's just too much oh so it's like the same fever when somebody dies it's like here's the one time i was in the background of a photo of that person in 1996 when i was a kid and i'm

8:18George Civeris:gonna write my dedication post kind of thing it's that it's that but it's it's just really dark and

8:23Jason Stewart:just like i don't know kind of unbelievable or mark maron is like remember when he was on my

8:28George Civeris:podcast and yeah we replay we replay the rob reiner episode you know is what maron would do but yeah i mean it's like i i know obviously that those those movies are all classics and the guy's a national treasure and some people don't like him because of his politics but i mean come on like that shit that shit trump said trump's usually pretty funny like we we we agree on that that was that was like oh d you suck like you this is why people hate you it was a nice reminder because i think we're so numb to hating him yeah that it's a little bit like oh yeah you're actually like this is insane that you think this is okay to say yeah i mean you know people people

9:07Jason Stewart:always mention yes he's awful yes he's this yes he's that but man he's so funny truly funny and we need moments like this to really remind people and i think those moments are happening more and every week or in every month you know him talking about you know a beloved filmmaker and actor decades over known as the nicest guy like even every single person loves him and he's just like yeah what did he say oh yeah it's trump derangement syndrome due to the anger he caused others through his massive unyielding incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease in his mind crippling but i mean so he in his mind he is being funny he's doing a funny trump yeah tweet it's not the time but it's just taught the yeah it's like this is what you should be doing when like one of your enemies like is walking down the street and there's a video of him like getting pantsed or you know like something small and embarrassing happens to a person that you are an enemy you know rosie o'donald moves to europe and he'll take a dig that's fine but when the body's still warm, a mother and father killed by their own son, something that could happen to Donald Trump, who knows?

10:23Jason Stewart:Eric, keep an eye on that guy. Barron, he's strong. But yeah, it's just awful. So hopefully more people are going to be like, yes, this is really bad. But on the other hand, what do we got? Gavin Newsom.

10:36George Civeris:The best twist from this thing, or one of the more interesting things, is that I guess the son was seen arguing with bill hater yes at conan at conan o 'brien's christmas party which bill hater doesn't seem like a guy um that i would want to talk to and i can assume that bill hater was probably not in the mood to talk to the guy who's been up for three days you know yeah and

11:01Jason Stewart:asking people who's famous i don't think it has anything to do with bill hater i think it's just the dumb luck of he's the person that this guy ended up yeah landing on you know it's not of all the guys because it's bill hater it's just he was the unlucky person of all the guys to talk to at

11:16George Civeris:conan o 'brien's christmas party bill hater is the guy who's got the least time for this kind of thing is is what i'm is what i'm saying bill hater doesn't like himself like he definitely doesn't want to talk to you yeah but yeah i don't i mean it's dark dude i want i mean yeah it's it's too dark it's like i don't really know like it's been a it's been an interesting couple days

11:36Jason Stewart:as far as dark stuff goes we got we got brown university awful tragedy we got sydney australia an awful tragedy we have the right trying to say that gun control is useless the video of the guy

11:48George Civeris:tackling the shooter like a guy that owns a fruit stand just nutting up and tackling the guy and then getting the gun from him is is sort of like why we have the internet i think that's that's

11:58Jason Stewart:also why we have Australians as as the rest of the world gets more pussyfied Australians are

12:04George Civeris:going to be there he was drunk but whatever he still saved the day you know we don't we can't can't prove anything a little liquid Kuro

12:14Jason Stewart:Australian smelling salts when you see KD on the bench giving a little now was it he tackled that motherfucker truly awful truly awful it's a horrible way to kick off the holiday season where we're supposed to be resting and hanging out with our loved ones and reflecting on a year that was not awesome for a lot of people unless you are a billionaire how long gone is here to hopefully uh give you a little time to turn turn cnn off turn bloomberg

12:46George Civeris:off for for an hour let's be real let's be real fox news you can turn that off too let's let's Just be honest. Let's be honest.

12:53Jason Stewart:Turn off the Bari Weiss interview for just 45 minutes. Go walk the dog and do the dishes.

12:59George Civeris:I've got to read this Bari deep dive on the plane tomorrow. Shout out to a friend of the show, Kareem, New York Magazine, Reasons We Love New York cover. It's big. I mean, look, Kareem's cover is great. The Cameron Winter, Debbie Harry is probably going to be my winner.

13:13Jason Stewart:Yeah, you can't really compete with that one. I was talking with the photographer, the Subway Hands, I told her that that was my favorite, and she said it was her favorite as well.

13:23George Civeris:I don't know who that is.

13:24Jason Stewart:You know that Instagram account, Subway Hands?

13:26George Civeris:No, I've never seen it. Is that the person who, but that's the person they hired to, basically they do this, so they hired them to do their thing, is the idea?

13:33Jason Stewart:Yeah, Subway Hands, it's like an Instagram, it has like a half a million followers. It's just sort of like candid images of people's hands on the subway.

13:41George Civeris:Okay, okay, okay.

13:42Jason Stewart:Yeah, it's a classic slice of life.

13:44George Civeris:Oh, that sounds good. I'll follow.

13:45Jason Stewart:You know, you've got a woman reading the Paris Review wearing loafers. You've got a guy with a disc man. You've got a guy holding a stick.

13:50George Civeris:crossword puzzles it's all there dude i almost i almost bought a disc man in tokyo they had one it had one it beams and i was like man should i buy this it's like a hundred bucks i feel like i feel like i could be a cd guy but then i pumped the brakes i think i was delirious you've got

14:05Jason Stewart:compact disc derangement syndrome i'm going to buy you one on ebay chris don't worry i want a cool one though that's see-through you know well just write down the exact skew on santa's list and we'll make sure that it comes.

14:19George Civeris:All right, we have a guest. Oh, wow, look at this motherfucker. All right, be quiet. We're going to intro you. I might say your last name wrong. We have a friend, our friend today. Our guest today is our friend George Severus. I think that was close. Maybe let's try Severus. Oh, same shit. Fuck you. All right, that's the same.

14:35Jason Stewart:I know, yeah, it's close. Tomato, tomato, ask your doctor if Severus is right for you.

14:39George Civeris:Yeah, it feels very prescription-y. Anyway, George has a new special sense of urgency, which I actually listened to today on Apple Music. On Tidal?

14:49Jason Stewart:Oh, Apple, yeah, sorry.

14:50George Civeris:Very modern of me, but it was just named New York Times Best Comedy of 2025 on the list. I didn't see what else was on the list, so we'll get into that because we got to start. We got to compare and contrast. Was it better than Robbie Hoffman's special? We'll find out. I wonder if Robbie made it in time, you know, under the deadline. We're going to find out. All right, let's call George. How Long Gone is brought to you by Factor Meals. Somewhere between the first warm weekend and realizing short season is getting close, eating well stops feeling optional. Factor is how I stopped letting a busy schedule be my excuse.

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20:02And then next to me is new talk, best new talk show. And it's Amy Poehler. What is the category you're in? Okay. So thank you for asking. So there's various, you know, there's various, he does like best impression, best satire of the left, best satire of the right. And there's one category he always does, which is get this best parenting comedy. And so I have this like long 10 minute joke in the special that's like about what if I had a kid. And so it is me tied with the comedian Rosebud Baker. And the description starts and he's like, you know, if you want really great like tight jokes about parenthood, you know, Rosebud Baker has a special.

20:39It's all about being pregnant. And it's really great. And then he goes, but the best comedy about parenthood comes from a gay guy who doesn't even have a kid. Damn.

20:48George Civeris:Okay, so you came through with a category maybe you weren't expecting to be recognized yet. I really, it's honestly the most offensive. Like, imagine actually having children and doing comedy about, like, how difficult it is to be a mother. And then some gay guy comes through and has this, like, literally the joke, as you may have listened to it, Chris, is like, you know, the joke where I'm talking about, like, having an imaginary adult daughter. Yeah, and I think you should be able to pick a NYU graduate. I love that idea. You just go and kind of pick one. We all know that Amy, don't we, George?

21:20George Civeris:Who's your Amy, Chris? Who's my Amy? You know, the daughter I described. Yeah, I know. I know. Amy also wasn't the right name for me. I didn't want to say anything, but it doesn't feel NYU-y enough if I'm being completely honest with you. I had an initial Amy.

21:35Jason Stewart:How Jewish is Amy? What about a Camille or a Chloe or something? You know what I mean? Okay, so it's funny you say Chloe. I had an early version of the joke where I would brainstorm names, and I'd be like, yeah, she has an effortlessly chic name, like Amy or Anna or Chloe Sevigny or something. And it wasn't quite right. It was almost too on the nose to name drop Chloe Sevigny.

21:58George Civeris:I wasn't even thinking of... Chloe is just a traditional hot girl name. We all understood. In the straight community, at least, we recognize that. I don't know. Are there hot guy names or is it just like Chad? No, I think there are hot guy names. I don't know why, but the name that's coming to mind, which is so not right, is Paul. Paul is hot, I think.

22:18Jason Stewart:Paul, famously my middle name, George. How is that? Well, there you go. How do you receive that?

22:23George Civeris:Famously. That's famously. He's well known for having a middle name. Yeah. And Jason. Jason Paul Stewart. Paul Miscall. Yeah. Paul Miscall. Maybe that's what I'm thinking. What's going on with Paul Miscall? I feel like people are talking about him being old. Yes, people are saying he's lying about his age because he has some grays. Well, I think that's just because he's Irish. I feel like they age like, you know. Well, it's all the generational trauma. Yeah, they're born and they're already like. Do you think he is lying about his age? I could see shaving off a few years. Do you think Margot Robbie is lying about her age?

22:55George Civeris:Margot Robbie? Did you just say Robbie? One time someone told me that it's Robbie and I just say that. Fuck them. Fuck them. That's Margot Robert. That's Margot Robert.

23:04Jason Stewart:That's what cleans my floor when I go away. I love saying Kara Swisher because someone once told me it's Kara Swisher.

23:13George Civeris:Bro, people are lying to you, bro. They're clowning you. Kara Swisher. Margot Roby. You're saying that Mrs. Roby is lying about her age. I think for a long time people were saying Mrs. Roby was lying about her age.

23:26Jason Stewart:Speaking of Paul's, this is a very divisive one. and also a good for a tomato tomato name, Paul Dano or Paul Dano. How do you say it? And is he hot? Yeah, it's actually Dono. It's a secret third. It's a secret third. Paul Dono. Yeah, that was sort of an all hands on deck situation with the Hollywood types. It was kind of there. We've been busy. Guys, Paul is not known for his looks. Let's not kid ourselves here. But he has a very beautiful wife.

23:59George Civeris:Yeah, he's rich. I don't know if you know how it works, but sometimes if you're rich and famous, you pull a chick that's a little bit out of your league. And he's also really smart. Okay, that's important to me. Yeah, I know that he doesn't use social media. He just reads in his garden and all this shit. And there's some people that like that. I'm just saying he's not a leading man because of his looks. He's a leading man because of his - Does he crush animals to get off a little bit? I mean, is he? I don't know. Would you call him a leading man? I would say he's sort of a character actor and a leading man only for maybe a Kelly Reichardt.

24:29George Civeris:I feel like he's somewhere between character actor and leading man. I feel like he's character actor plus. That's fair. He's not going to play Batman. People think of him as such a talent. Yeah, well, not Quentin Tarantino. I think Quentin Tarantino is also ugly. Well, I saw something. Someone was like, Quentin Tarantino was so ugly that him not addressing that ever is actually a form of dishonesty. Yeah, I said this. You said that? No, no. I said this to Jason on the podcast because I saw the same thing and I was like, that is such a funny thing to fucking say. No, totally. It's really so true.

25:03It is kind of like if someone, if there's something noticeable about you, if it's like you're very tall, very short, very like have like a specific thing. It does make me suspicious of you if you're never joking about it.

25:16George Civeris:If Jason never talked about his beautiful ears, what would we even have to? I think my height maybe. No, we're covering. Oh, yeah. If you never acknowledged, that'd be really funny. No, I never hit my head I don't know what you guys are talking about

25:29Jason Stewart:I never talk about a big dick It's like, what's going on inside of that head of yours? Wait, I just I got served in this clip Okay, one of my favorite things that I keep getting served is Do you guys know what Sniffy's is, I assume? No, I don't know what you're talking about Okay, great No idea, is that some gay stuff? I don't know anything about that I think you guys probably know more about Sniffy's than most gay men I know I delete it, and I re-edit And I delete it, and I re-edit I have it blocked. You are telling on yourself so much, Jason, because it's actually not an app. It's only a website.

26:00You have to go on a browser. Although I think now it's an app.

26:03Jason Stewart:Well, depending on what country you're in, George. That's right. I use a VPN, so I can kind of do it anywhere. I don't know what they're doing in Estonia, but I keep getting surf clips from the official Sniffies podcast. And I'm thinking about this because we're talking about penis size.

26:15George Civeris:Bro, can you get me on that? I really want to go on that. Literally, I think it's a DM away, Chris. I don't think it'll take much convincing for them.

26:23Jason Stewart:but they keep uh we can get this done before lunch it's what my co-host sam tagger calls this uh the sex nerd phenomenon like people that are very kind of like methodical about talking about sex and that's sort of what the podcast is like and they had someone on and from what i understand from these clips i saw he is like he seems like some sort of motive like speaker and his specialty is having a small penis like he goes around sort of like breaking the stigma around having a small penis.

26:53George Civeris:Is he good looking or buff at least? Yeah, totally fine, normal, good looking. His thing is he's out and proud and he wants to change the narrative.

27:02Jason Stewart:I do all of this with a tiny dick. Get like me, bitch. They're using this very social justice language about inclusivity but talking about having a small penis. He's being like, I'm not going to lie to you. There will be some rejection, but it's all about taking in that trauma and not letting it become anxiety. And then using it to your advantage. And then he goes into like, you know, some guys actually prefer a small dick because they can't take a bigger one. And it actually can be your secret superpower. Wow.

27:35George Civeris:That's exactly what I want from the Sniffies podcast. Because I didn't know where that would be going as far as what they're talking about, really, and what the subject matter is. You haven't seen any other episodes, I'm sure. Oh, I'm telling you, I'm seeing one-minute clips. But I haven't listened to a full episode There was another one that got served to me That it was all about fisting And this guy Very nice guy clearly Is some sort of sexual health advocate I'm sure he's doing great work But he goes He was talking about fisting And he was like That's why it's so important to break these myths That you see on fisting Twitter That is so iconic That is brave I keep getting these videos on Instagram Of like a guy he's like in the airport and he's young and good looking and he's like yeah i'm just they don't know i'm leaking right now i love getting fucked in the bathroom at the airport and i'm like dude relax he's like i love cruising in the airport because i might get caught i'm like i think if you get caught the airport you could actually be in trouble it's a federal crime perhaps yeah like i don't think they're you might not make your flight you know what i'm saying to be a prostitute if you don't if you don't and they're saying worth it yeah it's crazy you guys are crazy over there, George.

28:49George Civeris:I'll tell you what, Matt. George, how does one hop onto fisting Twitter? I wish I knew. What are the keywords? I'm learning what I know through the Sniffies podcast. I'm not on fisting Twitter. I'm like one of those boomers who learns about memes in the New York Times style section, but for fisting Twitter.

29:05Jason Stewart:Have you seen these mameys? Six, seven. What does it mean? Speaking of fisting, have you seen the Epstein photo with the black rubber glove where each finger seems to be something that you would insert inside of a hole oh no i haven't even seen that you freak it was it was like on cnn guys i didn't find it on 4chan is cnn what you call your your reddit threads that are private i've been no no jason's on fisting twitter i've been i've been listening to i don't know what possessed me to go down this path but i i have i'm on i'm gonna race with audible where they i keep paying for it because i have free credits but then i don't use them fast enough so then i keep paying for it for an extra month and so i keep so i'm like it's like my pilates up 13 audiobooks and so i downloaded the um the epstein accuser memoir but the only place i listen to audiobooks is the gym so i'm literally like at the gym listening to the most traumatic story of repeated uh repeated sexual assault of a minor assault that and and so i'm learning so yes i'm learning so much about um epstein from this book and i'm like i become one of those people now that's like that's not funny like what people i'm kind of out on jeff and the whole story

30:23George Civeris:i feel like it's it's dragged for so long and it seems like there's a new expose today in the times y 'all sound like maga no there's just no finality to it and there's no it like it's it's sad because i think the way it's it's it's like drizzled out is it desensitizes you to it and now it's just like it's like oh yeah whatever i don't know more jeff shit came out i don't it doesn't seem exciting. Yeah, it becomes more about the conspiracy. It's like, yeah, it becomes more about the meta-narrative than what actually happened, which is legitimately one of the most horrifying things that has ever happened.

30:55I still don't think there's

30:58George Civeris:any surprises that we don't know about at this point. I don't think anybody would shot, like, I don't think Conan O 'Brien's on the list or whatever. You know what I mean? I think it's just going to be... Kimmel, though. Kimmel? Yeah. No, I'm kidding. I would love if Kimmel was on the list.

31:12Jason Stewart:Kimmel's old private chef was Epstein's private chef.

31:15George Civeris:I think Kimmel's a sinister deviant, personally. He's the boy who cried wolf a little bit. But don't you think, though, that with the man show, it's almost a Howard Stern situation where he put his id out there so much that there's nothing else left. He used to be cool, and now he's not, and you hate to see that in a public light. Sure. Now he's funded by the Disney Corporation. It's different. But Colbert did the same thing. You at least, you know who they are, and you know that they're putting on a mask to please Disney. Whereas someone like Ellen, it's like the whole thing is that she never showed who she was for like decades.

31:50But that's why Ellen's cooler

31:51George Civeris:is she did it right. I mean, she had to disappear, unfortunately, but that's not her fault. Robbie Hoffman's got a great joke about

31:57Jason Stewart:that in her new special. Jason, we're talking about my special today. I know. That was the joke, George. That was the joke. I did watch your special last night, though. Thank you. I paid for it on Amazon Prime. Wow. Well, thank you for supporting Amazon. Where would you prefer I watch it? No, no, no. I really appreciate it. What did you think? I thought it was great. I mean, I have a few questions. Okay. But I watched Robbie's special and your special the same night, so it was real. Is it bad that I listened to it?

32:29George Civeris:Because I've never done that before, and when comedians are like, yeah, my new album, I'm like, all right, cool. You pressed your album at Third Man or whatever, but this was available on streaming, and Jack White wasn't involved, and I had to do some packing. No, that's fair. I never do stuff like that, but I found it really nice. I actually don't mind a comedy album. I think some things, some things obviously like a facial expression helps or like a gesture or something, but I'm not an especially animated performer. I think you can get pretty much like 85 % of what I'm doing with audio. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

33:00George Civeris:You're like, I'm not carrot top, bro. It's all good.

33:03Jason Stewart:Yeah, I'm not doing... Your cadence could almost lend better to an audio only format. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, you know, it's the podcasting training.

33:10George Civeris:But you're better looking than most comedians. And I'm not trying to. Yeah, I'm just I'm being honest with you.

33:16Jason Stewart:And you've gotten hotter since the last time we podcast. That's that's also true. And Jason has been responding to I don't know if he's on Sniffy's, but he's been responding to some of my more PG-13 rated photographs.

33:28George Civeris:Oh, I didn't know you were posting. I'm sure I follow, but no. No, you follow. Here's what I did. Am I not on the close friends hole pics? No, no, no. This is not close friends. I the the week that the day in fact that the special came out somehow uh you know when instagram decides like we don't care about you anymore and nothing is getting views like the day that I was like literally trying to promote something suddenly no one was seeing my stories and I had this flashback of like oh is this what people talk about when they say face for algo one of the most I don't do you believe do you believe it to be true well I didn't I didn't until this happened.

34:06I was like, this is a last ditch effort here. I'm trying to promote a special. Instagram is not showing it to anyone. I guess I have to do face for Algo and I'll tell you one thing. Really? Yeah. I deleted everything I had posted and then I posted my face and then I posted it. I always thought that was like a hot chick fake thing. Like, oh yeah, oops,

34:23George Civeris:body for Algo, now free Palestine or whatever. You know what I mean?

34:26Jason Stewart:No, it's very real. I mean, every DJ I know when they're like posting or like a band when they're posting the I'm playing this festival or here's this tour whatever. It's never the image of the information that you need. It's always like, here's me and I'm only wearing a bra.

34:42George Civeris:It's Diplo doing yoga in his Emirates suite instead of, I'm playing Vegas again. It's something that's going to get thrown into the shuffle. The fact that I know exactly what Diplo posts you're talking about is so humiliating. Sorry, Diplo's one of the best posters we got. I agree. He's unbelievable. And he looks great. He looks great. This is what I'm saying. That's why it's no problem for him to post face for Elgo. Or torso for Elgo.

35:05Jason Stewart:Do you know anyone who's tapped that in your community?

35:08George Civeris:Diplo?

35:09Jason Stewart:Yeah. Ooh. He's famously bi. I don't believe that. Oh, in my community, like, gay men? I was trying to think of, like, hot women I know. He's bi? Jason claims this. I've never heard this. I don't think Diplo is bi. I'm not saying he's bi. I'm saying maybe he's everything, you know? Yeah, I could see that.

35:27George Civeris:He's seen the end of women and is interested in seeing what else is out there. Totally. I think that I think when you fucked enough chicks, you can go down that road. I mean, free ditty, but that's real. Yeah, that's what happened to me.

35:42Jason Stewart:You slayed enough puss over in Athens. You had to go again. I turned 18. I said, that's enough of that.

35:51George Civeris:I've had quite enough. You looked around.

35:53Jason Stewart:No one's left. I've had quite enough. Yeah. Okay. Well, I was talking about how I noticed that you and Robbie Special, You both had bits and similar thoughts on gay men having children And we were just talking about how children can be a bummer And sometimes do murders and stuff like that But what are your thoughts on gay men having children? I know, I mean, I don't know I just got back from a vacation with our niece That was like, it has really made me soft I'm like, I want to quit my job and just be a full-time uncle in a way that I never really thought I would feel. And you would think that would make me want children.

36:32Podcasting's not really a job, but I see what you're saying.

36:35Jason Stewart:You can go to doula school at night when you're potting during the day. Podcasting is not the only thing I do for barely minimum wage. I have various other jobs, too. Sometimes I go on tour and kind of barely sell medium-sized venues and kind of look at the sheet they give me. We'll come check you out in January in San Francisco. I heard that you guys have a couple shows. Yeah, yeah. Are you going to be there? No, for SF Sketch Fest. We did a show there a couple years ago, though, and it was really good. It was pretty good. We enjoyed it. It was good. Sketch Fest is maybe the best planned comedy festival, I think, in America.

37:10Jason Stewart:And we didn't have any fans in the audience because they didn't want to go. But everyone that was just there for the fest were all nice and engaging and good attitudes. It was great. They all really show up. No, but you would think that Having a niece, or like enjoying Having a niece would make me want kids more, but it actually Makes me, I'm like completely satisfied I'm like, they live a 10 minute walk from us, I can Go there anytime I want, and like if I want to Hang out with a little baby And like play with blocks, I can, and then I can just Go back to my home and get on sniffies That's right, the sniffies Is going to decrease if you had a little But I agree, the whole point of being gay is you don't have to do that Well, but the thing is, because They're not like, I mean I agree with you in theory But I also know so many gay dads who are like, okay, like dropping off the kids at school.

37:54And then I have like a hookup and then I'm going to the gym and then I'm going to my job as VP of marketing.

38:01George Civeris:Yeah, no, that's very, yeah, that's getting, yeah, like hit it. Yeah, no, that's, I've heard stories like that too. What a dad. But I think they're, they're also, like you said, they're rich. And that's the, I think the big differentiator is that any, any gays I know with children are rich. Yeah. And I had this other joke that I'm trying to do where I was like, it's about my own internalized homophobia or something. And I'm like, yeah, the rich gay men, I know they're having children. It almost feels like they're giving themselves a trophy. And then the poor gay men I know that are having kids.

38:27It's like, what are you, Christian? Like, what are you trying to prove? It's almost like darker. It is darker.

38:32George Civeris:No, I completely agree with you. I completely agree. But you're different. You guys are intellectual gays, which is a different. Thank you for saying that. I would say that's a different tier altogether. Well, of course the fantasy is to sort of live in a Woody Allen movie and it's like, it's, you know, I'm Wallace Shawn and his, you know, his kid is like leafing through Harper's on the floor as he's like entertaining 15 lesbians who are all adjunct professors. You taught him how to make martinis. Yeah, exactly. That could happen. I don't think that's out of the question. I mean, yeah, we'll see.

39:07I don't know. You guys are firmly no kids. I mean I know you currently don't have children But never It's not in the future

39:14George Civeris:I don't understand completely About what it really means

39:20Jason Stewart:Has no one had the talk with you Chris With the birds and the bees He doesn't know where they come from

39:27George Civeris:I knew there was a stalk narrative

39:28Jason Stewart:But I feel like that's not Really kicking around anymore Neither of us have kids Not in our media plans

39:36George Civeris:But I don't know if I just think that the New York of it all also makes it like, it just seems crazy to me. I mean, I know, but also I'm married to someone who grew up in New York and cannot imagine living. He's literally never lived anywhere else. And even as a theoretical idea was like, if we have kids, maybe it would make sense to move somewhere that isn't New York. And he was like, that's a weak will thing to say. Like, it's like, no, if you can't make New York work, then you don't have children. I kind of agree with him.

40:10Jason Stewart:So you're saying it'd be easier to give up? Yeah, bitch. Where would you move, George?

40:15George Civeris:Where the fuck are you going to move? Portsmouth? Upstate. Where are you going to go? I mean, I know. Well, because there's, I think that honestly, then the best thing to do is to just move to Los Angeles because then it's sort of you're bringing the suburbs into a major city, whereas moving upstate or moving to the suburbs does feel like a defeat. moving upstate feels like the lowest form it really does

40:38Jason Stewart:shout out to all of our upstate listeners we love you guys

40:40George Civeris:no no I mean I don't know anybody who lives upstate all the time I'm sure they do I know a couple people David Geating what about like Connecticut because that's very trendy right now is to move to what is it called Litchfield County oh yeah that's it don't worry I hear about Litchfield County every fucking day

40:54Jason Stewart:Chris gets a few Zillow and Redfin links to that area

40:57George Civeris:I got my Zillow updates coming in every day but I would never go there full time I just want to pool. Totally. But I do think that's like somehow that has remained chic compared to like moving. I mean, you wouldn't. To move to like Hudson, that would be so lame.

41:13Jason Stewart:LA is the right. Because I live technically in the suburbs. In six hours, I'm going to go to a puck dinner at Mr. Chow and then go to a gay guy's white elephant party with a bunch of chic photographers. I drive back over the hill and I'm back in suburbia. You can't do that in Hudson or Woodstock. Woodstock's far. What gay guy?

41:36George Civeris:Ian Markell, photographer. What gay guy? Yes, you do. I thought all gay guys knew each other. You know, it depends. I mean, maybe you don't know each other, but you hooked up. I mean, at least. Yeah, no. I mean, it's like me and Jonathan Bailey. Like, you know, I don't have his number. I was talking about how not famous. He was the one who was people's sexiest man of the year, correct? That's right. And I was having this argument because he's not famous. Like he's in all this stuff And he's really big I bet 50 If I polled the streets of New York City Half people wouldn't recognize him by his face So I was talking to Sam about this And I've noticed something with him Where women love to be like I want him to fuck me They love to like Really sexualize him And it's this weird Because he's gay Wait what's his name again?

42:24Let me google him Jonathan Bailey from like Wicked You know, I first saw him, he was in Phoebe Waller-Bridge's show she did before Fleabag.

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44:33George Civeris:You made it weird. I unfortunately listened to hours of that podcast. I was like, this is maybe the least cool guy that's ever existed on planet Earth. I mean, it's insane. Because he's Christian too, right? Yes. It's so crazy. Very in touch with his emotions though. I think that's his crowning achievement. I remember one time I was listening to that. Again, this must have been like 15 years ago. And I was in the middle of a conversation where Tig Notaro was explaining how important it is to take a probiotic every day to Pete Holmes. And I was like, I need to go to law school. Like, I cannot be doing this right now.

45:06I can't be listening to Tig Notaro tell Pete Holmes that it's important to take a probiotic.

45:10George Civeris:Where did Pete Holmes come from? Who co-signed him? Thank you for asking. He came from Boston where I also started comedy. So he has, when I was starting in Boston, like a lot of people had a lot of trauma with Pete Holmes because he, whatever. I don't know what his like status in that community was, but he had just gotten his show on HBO. So it was like this big success story. But that show on HBO, they showed like three episodes of it and then got rid of it. It wasn't even like. I mean, it was honestly like, I don't know if it was two or three seasons, but it was definitely multiple seasons.

45:39I want to say. Was it really? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I thought that was like a come and go kind of situation. It had a little, it had some legs. It was during a time where you could do that. It was also back when in a post-Louis, I mean, not post, like mid-Louis world, people thought that the lifestyle of a stand-up comedian was somehow like the most interesting possible thing you could make media about when it's in fact the least interesting thing. We were lied to. Yeah, we were lied to. Yeah, we really were lied to. Yeah, I mean, it is, you're just, because I've done it, all you do is go from bar to bar and try out bad material to silence.

46:09Like, that is it.

46:10Jason Stewart:And at the end, you eat a sandwich with a fat guy and have a cigarette and go to bed. Yeah, exactly.

46:15George Civeris:Especially, I mean, yeah, between, I don't know. I don't want to spend any time with Louis or Pete Holmes, pre-cancellation even. But how do you feel about Louis now post-cancellation? Because I've heard that the material is sort of not bad. How do I say it without, I do not care at all about Louis C.K. And you never did? No, it's fine. It's all fine. Comedy's not funny. No offense to you, of course. No, no, I get it. These guys aren't that, I mean, people are like, you don't get it. It's so cerebral. I'm like, dude, I think I do get it. No, it's not. And I don't think it's that funny. And I think also when you get canceled, people really want you to be a genius even more.

46:53George Civeris:Like the people that like you really want to uphold you. Well, there is this idea. You know, comedy is so like at the most basic level because it is the most like populist art form. You're trying to make like a room full of people laugh. By definition, it can't be that smart. And that's okay. Like I think that's like an interesting challenge. But what that means is that then the bar for calling something cerebral or smart is so low that it's like, yeah, I do think Louis is more smart than, you know, many other comedians. But that just means he's like average.

47:27Jason Stewart:Well, do you feel that when I was watching your special last night, I thought a lot of this is some specific material, some higher minded subject matter. Have you wrestled with the thought of reducing the intelligence level to gain your popularity? He can't. He can't. It'd be impossible. saying that um i will say because i when i started in boston something i really liked and i thought was like a really productive challenge unlike people i know who started in brooklyn is that i was constantly performing for like straight guys with like red socks caps and their girlfriends who are wearing you could just say it racist yeah well i did actually the the show i hosted in boston was in a maga bar it was in a in a bar that was maga owned and they had a framed maga hat this was like 2015 so it was like leading up to the 2016 election oh early and they had like it was a first edition maga hat yeah probably sorry go ahead sorry um and uh and i got like a sick validation out of being like okay these these people like in theory hate me but i'm making

48:33George Civeris:them laugh not bad for a queer exactly speaking of speaking of specials i was i checked out the matt reif crowd work holiday special over on netflix now talk about cerebral dude it was in he did that shit in tempe arizona and i was just like dude this is a twisted look he's like i've never been here before but he dude he had like middle-aged black men crying i know what he was saying i was stunned i mean i think he's like ultimately evil but i also think he's incredibly talented at what he does like it does take a talent to go anywhere he's very good at what he

49:07Jason Stewart:does that the thing that he does happens to be evil but i don't feel any different i honestly

49:12George Civeris:and I know I'll get killed for this I watching that or watching Louis CK is no different to me honestly like and I think that like that's cool it's all sort of the same when I watch comedy it all feels sort of the same to me I think it's partly because the the like convention of it is the same no I understand I mean it's like if so it's like I used to I mean I guess I still sort of feel that I not that I now know more about fashion than I used to but I remember when I knew like literally nothing all the any runway photo would just i'm like okay this looks like this is close yeah like mugatu from zoolander and it's like i don't care if it's something respected or something not respected it's it's just like i'm just looking at it i'm like yeah that's someone dressed crazy i just think that there's a it's also i mean i don't know we talk about this all the time because i'm just like dave chappelle i don't know when was he funny last i don't remember with chappelle i do think i do agree with you more because i'm like i was also so young when chapelle i mean i used to love chapelle show but well chapelle show is fucking really funny it is but i i it was to me i was a teenager like or not i was i don't remember but like i had like a high school sensibility so i don't know if i were to re-watch it now would i

50:21Jason Stewart:still think it's like genius maybe there'd be the nostalgia part of it where you yeah yeah probably um could you explain in the origin of your love of wasp culture yes um what's not to love what's not to love you know what i realized doing that joke is a lot of people like don't know that uh acronym like people would like ask like has will be like i've never heard of the term wasp really which i i thought yeah i don't know i mean you never know people come from you know all different backgrounds but i will tell you about my love of wasp culture which is that so my i mostly grew up in greece but i spent like six and a half i believe years living here when i was a kid and we lived in suburban new jersey and it was like a very waspy it was almost like connecticut adjacent it was like a new york city commuter town and my parents were foreign my parents were greek and all our friends were mostly like other diaspora like a lot of indian or jewish families enemies of the wasp yeah that was exactly that was the community i was a part of but the overarching sort of like vibe of the school I went to was very country club waspy like a lot of lily like men like grown men in lily pulitzer ties and like salmon colored shorts and whatever and I mean it just it really seemed more foreign to me than if I were to like like study some tribe as an anthropologist or like it it just is so different than anything I was familiar with I do think that things would make way more sense if we treated wasps as like this sort of other as the alien as the reptiles yeah they are yeah yeah like i think i have more in common with most other cultures did you develop a a naughty love of wasp people like did you have do you have a wasp fetish like a bruce weber kind of vibe no i that's sort of i'm yeah i mean i say that i i do think i make that joke in the special but i know if anything i like really um i have a real distaste for it wow i mean you know you could take that distaste and use it in a sexual power way except for both

52:32George Civeris:of you except for i wish i was a wasp unfortunately i'm not you ever put a wasp's head in the toilet

52:37Jason Stewart:before you tap that george you know something like that i'm not i wish what what do you think

52:41George Civeris:about white people like jason kind of going and and raping your country for all of its good stuff you know that Greece has become a hot spot there's no more good stuff left after I got to white people to take donkeys down to get some fucking no I was rain alcohol or whatever the fuck you guys do over

52:59Jason Stewart:there I was I have a great donkey guy if you need one by the way George text me after I tried to give I tried to give Jason grease Rex but then he had he was already like on his way back when when we were talking um no I actually think Greek people in my experience at least and I think it's a little different now with the rise of Airbnb and with like truly like lecherous tourism. But when I was growing up, Greek people like loved tourists because that is like where any money in this like overall like failing country comes from. Like it's like they don't have any significant. I mean, the two things that make money are shipping and tourism.

53:36Like, so I think generally speaking, like I think it's not a coincidence that like Greek people are generally are really good at English. Like, you know, grow up speaking English. They're very good at, like, hospitality. Like, I don't think they see tourists... Historically, I don't think they've seen tourists with as much suspicion as, like, people in Spain or Italy or France or something. Yeah, yeah.

54:00Jason Stewart:They're like, wow, you guys want to come here? All right, cool. I mean, without the tourists, what would you guys be doing? Well, literally... Hey, don't...

54:07George Civeris:Let's not forget about Stavros when he dated Paris Hilton and several other, you know, there was the Greek shipping era of Hollywood. I thought we were talking about my good friend Stavros. Yes, I was like... Well, that Stavros, for all I know, he might have been doing the same thing, low key. I mean, you know. I think that if Stavros wanted to date Paris Hilton, he could. Look, I don't know him that well, but that seems like a stretch. The power of the Greek. I mean, I know that you guys are powerful people. No, I think he specifically is a very powerful Greek person. I think he, like, can unite the country.

54:39George Civeris:that's cool actually that's a real vote of confidence for one of his own yeah do you think he ever will though no i also i wanted to talk to you about what podcasts you have beef with because i know that just i mean not actual beef but you know when you see bowen yang and his buddy kind of doing doing their thing oh yeah and you know because we have smartless it's like all right these fucking guys do exactly what we do but they're rich bowen and matt they do the same thing but what do you think about it? We mostly have beef with Michael Barbaro and Ezra Klein, the other gay guys in podcasting.

55:18And they know what they did.

55:20George Civeris:I saw this amazing clip of Matt getting in trouble with Andy. There's a clip of Andy being really clearly like, you owe me a book, where is it? Do you think that was real or fake? Here's what I'll say about Matt. And I don't want to give a PR answer. Matt is literally, Matt gave me my first ever writing job. He is like one of the most, like Matt is one of the most supportive. I know I sound like, you know, Amanda Seyfried in an interview or something. Matt is like legitimately like one of the most supportive and like kind people I've ever met. I believe it completely. No, I believe it completely.

56:02And I actually, like, if Matt is in a feud with anyone, I will be team Matt. I don't think he's in a feud with Andy, but I'm. Oh, I don't think they're in a feud.

56:10George Civeris:I think it was just a very, I thought it was a very interesting, like, I can't hide this moment on television, on a show where nothing is ever serious. Well, I sort of think Andy likes to push the limits of how honest he can be on that show. Totally. Out of sheer boredom and monotony. Exactly. Because he has to deal with all these fucking morons all day. I mean, don't talk about my girls like that. Oh, please. I can't. I don't don't. I love the Mormon community. I'm not going to let you talk about them like that. No. In 2020, we are, you know, this is we are leaving. I'm now like a gay guy on in 2026.

56:46We are leaving housewives behind. Period. I can't listen to any more.

56:52George Civeris:What is the tea, George? Tell me more. I think I think my thing with the housewives is during the like peak, peak lockdown, I overdosed. I watched all of Roni from beginning to 2020. Not Roni. See, when you say Roni, you give yourself away as someone who's OD'd before. Just spell it out. Let's try to cover our tracks a little bit more. No, it was Roni and Vanderpump. I did those two because people told me those were the best ones at that time. And then after that, I couldn't do it again. My favorite thing, actually, not to go back to Matt, but his boyfriend is from Below Deck, I think. I know.

57:27And he was recently hospitalized.

57:29George Civeris:He was hospitalized for clearly overdosing on party drugs, but saying it was vaping. That I can't comment on. And he put up, hold on, Jason. He put up the fire, the shirtless selfie in the hospital thirst trap, like looked insane, like so ripped. And I was like, honestly, dude, worth it. Like you look, this is sick.

57:48Jason Stewart:I was vaping cocaine, but it was vaping.

57:50George Civeris:I was vaping so much. I loved it.

57:53Jason Stewart:Well, actually, that reminds me of your special. you said that every every month i mean actually no this was on your podcast where like every month you should have one sort of like dumb mind numbing brain rotty thing and i do think that's a good policy like one like one thing per month because i think i think people take the whole optimist like you know reality tv is actually like shakespeare like i think people take that too far where it's

58:19George Civeris:like okay maybe read one book look as much as i like reality tv i know that it's stupid i do think intellectualizing every single thing.

58:27Jason Stewart:It's good to have a Nomi Fry ratio. Yes, I think Nomi has a great ratio. Chris has a good ratio.

58:34George Civeris:I like to think I have a good ratio, but I do think he can cut the Bravo down a little bit. Chris, you famously don't watch narrative television. Is that still true? No, I don't watch movies. Oh, you don't watch movies. Thank you to our Criterion Collection friends for sending me a 40-disc Blu-ray box set of the best films of all time. I'll be re-gifting that. I would absolutely love, if you want to give me an exit gift for this appearance. Unfortunately, I've already committed to my friend Spencer, who's the biggest film head I know. Well, I did listen to you railing against Letterboxd on the latest episode.

59:08George Civeris:Because it's dork shit. I mean, tell me if I'm wrong. Why would you spend your time doing that? No, the most amazing way to use Letterboxd is almost like Twitter in 2012. It's like, watch a movie and then you write a one-sentence thing that's like, I guess she really did like that piece of pie or whatever. Yeah, yeah. That's funny. No, I understand that it exists. I mean, Jason, even when Jason explained it to me, from his point of view, I understood it. But I just can't imagine being like, this is what I want to spend my time doing when the people who do it for real don't get paid or get any recognition.

59:41George Civeris:Totally. I don't, I just, maybe that's my own twisted mind.

59:44Jason Stewart:Movie knowledge, you can make a currency out of movie knowledge, you know, and that's. I know. And it seems like the gift that keeps on giving, like sometimes I will like accidentally find myself in sort of corners of like the movie, like film internet. And there's like whole celebrity personalities that we don't know about that people are like, some of the best video essays, like some of the best video essays about restorations, 4K restorations.

1:00:09George Civeris:Not 4K restorations.

1:00:11Jason Stewart:Okay, well, speaking of the one bad thing per month to maintain the healthy ratio, I think maybe you were talking about the Canadian gay hockey show, Heated Rivalry. Chris and I were talking about it on the last episode. I heard. Neither of us have actually watched an episode, so we've got knees on the ground with you. Let's get into it. Knees on the ground is going to be reused. Took you an extra second. Fuck, damn, that's good. That is really good. Write that down. Okay. I will. That was off the dome, to be clear. I'm very disconnected. I'm sure there are whole political arguments. It's like one of them, people are saying that it's a metaphor for, I don't know, World War II or something.

1:00:57George Civeris:Jordan Firstman's in jail for this. He's literally a Rikers for his comments about this. Do you know what's crazy about Jordan Firstman? Everyone is obsessed with trying to... People want to find some fault with him because they find him personally annoying but in fact he is completely faultless he's like a nice person he's talented like but people just find him annoying because he like plays annoying on screen and because he's like hot and you know posts like sexy photos and is addicted to instagram seems to be confident yeah like people are like we are we never met a confident gay guy that's so rare yeah it's really crazy um is open about his insecurities

1:01:35Jason Stewart:has made peace with his existence. A lot of people are jealous of that. But people do find him annoying. And I also think people find people that got famous during the pandemic remind people of the pandemic. I really think it's like Jordan, because he got so big. By the way, he's a talented actor, writer. He has many talents. But because we were all in our homes, he started doing impressions of banana bread. And then those got big. Don't get me started on Jake Shane. We only have so much time. That I can't even get into. Actually, I would like if you could. I'll make another one. So people see him on television and they're like, oh, is that that faggot that was on my screen in 2020?

1:02:16Like, he must be immoral. He must be neoliberal.

1:02:20George Civeris:This is a good, actually, no, I think you're onto something with the COVID part of it. It is, like, triggering. I think there's something to, I'm sure that this is, there's other, you know, cases that prove that point. But I think you're onto something.

1:02:30Jason Stewart:Also, I'm only assuming, but as a man of Greek descent, do you feel like he's a poor representation of body hair? Jordan? Yeah, like he's letting it go a little too much. I think he's a great representation of body hair. I actually think it's like the rare... But is it a little bit like, pull it back, honey, you know what I mean? Like his nipples are always out? Well, I mean, my nipples are not always out, but I have more body hair than Jordan. Well, that's what I'm saying, but you have it tastefully covered and it'll come out a little bit, but I feel like every other photo of Jordan looks like the village people in 77.

1:03:04Jason Stewart:Just heaving forest.

1:03:05George Civeris:He's living out loud as far as his buttons go. Yeah, since when is living out loud illegal in America? Damn, Jason. Yeah, exactly, Jason. Since when? You guys are not really taking your tits out. Why's that? I think straight men in general need to pull it back. I think we've gone too far.

1:03:26Jason Stewart:I've never been in a photo shoot where somebody has said, let's do one with the shirt off. That's never happened to me. Yeah, no, the only thing I've ever done,

1:03:32George Civeris:I did do a shoot, and this is Jason's wife's fault, where I did wear only my underwear and a puffer jacket on an exercise bike. Wow. Thanks to Matches.com, they're no longer around. I don't think this has anything to do with it, but that was as far as I'm going to take it.

1:03:45Jason Stewart:Yeah, but like a photo shoot set with like three cool guys who are wearing like Carhartt pants and like have cool tattoos. If they're like, no, you should do it. It looks good. You can't really say no. It's easy to talk you into getting those trousers down.

1:03:59George Civeris:If Rachel said it was like, you can be my co-star, you just have to take your shirt off a little bit, I mean, that's a different story. Some of these people are getting higher returns on shirtless stuff than I ever could. Do you know what I'm saying? That's what I mean. There's like an end game, and they can say we're acting.

1:04:18Jason Stewart:I would like to do it in a straight version of a Lee Pace kind of shirtless way. I feel like his shirtlessness is tastefully done. He lets you know what's going on, but he doesn't have the air of a guy who's always got his shirt off. You know what I mean?

1:04:31George Civeris:You got to check out that show on Apple TV. He's literally a Greek god. He literally is. Yeah, it's unbelievable. See, that's the thing. People lack imagination. It's like you see someone. Okay, yes, Lee Pace looks like a Greek god. I get it. But you're going to be so literal with it. It would be so much more interesting if he was a CEO. I think that you're right, but I also think that the world is dumb. and we have to feed them with a spoon.

1:04:57Jason Stewart:No, completely. Chris, what was the name of the women who go dress in loose clothing at the gym? Oh, shit. It's like the undercover bodies or whatever it was. Oh, my God. We need a little bit more of that.

1:05:09George Civeris:Gay men need a lot more of that. Oh, it's like something built? Sleeper built. Sleeper built. Oh, that's good.

1:05:15Jason Stewart:We need like a Zac Efron. I'm a CEO, and then the kid jumps in the pool, and I got to take my business suit off, and everyone's like, holy moly, this guy's jacked. Yeah. Holy moly. No, I respect people where it's like once a year. Once a year you post. And I feel like Lee Pace used to be like this, where it would be very little sort of content. And then once a year it would be a photo taken from under his balls that's literally looking up at the underside of his nipples. He's spitting cum out of his mouth into the camera on the floor. Just one a year. Yeah, it's like Happy New Year.

1:05:51George Civeris:I think this is literally because of this show. I think it's one of those shows where it's literally like, that's the job is like your centaur, basically. So you don't have a choice. You know, I saw him. I saw him fully nude on stage in Angels in America. Must be nice. That's the gayest play I've ever. And that's saying a lot. Say more. I would say Broadway is the gayest thing to ever exist. Completely. I would say Broadway is so gay. It's so gay that it actually literally horseshoes around to being straight. There's something about a Broadway musical. Because it becomes just, it's Times Square.

1:06:23and what's straighter than Times Square? It becomes Disneyland.

1:06:28Jason Stewart:There's nothing gay about Times Square, it's true.

1:06:30George Civeris:Nothing I want to do more than see Angels in America and then hit Hooters for 12 flats before I head back on the train? Sounds perfect to me.

1:06:37Jason Stewart:Okay, well, just to circle the Horseshoe Square, do you agree with Firstman that the sex in heated rivalry is not correct to the way it happens in real life? What it is portraying is literally like a gay virgin having sex for the first time. So I think the critique, all love to Jordan, I think the critique isn't really relevant. I think he's like, yes, I think if you're empowered and promiscuous and going around Los Angeles having a lot of sex, it probably doesn't look like it looks on Heated Rivalry. But Heated Rivalry is essentially like a coming of age show. So two fumbling,

1:07:14George Civeris:hot hockey players, they might not know where it goes that first time. Yeah, and they're just so infatuated with one another. They're like, one of them is like - Five hole. Yeah. One of them is Russian and closeted. Oh, Russians. I mean, yeah. Did you know that he's Russian? I haven't watched the show. I don't know. The only thing I know about this show is Jordan getting in trouble for saying that. No, no. He's Russian. Suck my cock, Hollander. And then his phone rings. It's like, it's my brother. He wants more money. And that's the entirety of the show. Yeah. Actually, that's a Nora. It's great.

1:07:45Just for the record, I am enjoying the show, and I cannot wait to watch the latest episode.

1:07:49George Civeris:That sounds pretty good. Okay. Well, I mean, this is also a win. I think it's a Crave original, the Canadian HBO. Exactly. Which is a big, that's a big win for our friends up there.

1:07:59Jason Stewart:And I like a return back to the kind of 80s Cold War, Russia is the enemy, will they, won't they kind of thing. It has like a Rocky and Drago feel to it. It's amazing how Russia, like Russia is the one place that I guess popular media is allowed to be completely racist against. Like you can just portray a Russian as truly like the most depraved, disgusting. It's true, actually. It's very true. And we're running out of countries that we can do that for, you know? Yeah, that's right. Speaking of multicultural, would you consider yourself to be an anti-Rosalia gay? A rare? Oh, no. I don't. Well, I do have this...

1:08:38No, I like... Listen. You know, I have to... Listen. Listen. I have to first... I have to first finish my PhD in romance languages in order to understand that album. No, I actually like what I've listened to, and I think it's great. I just think it's very interesting how all these gay guys I know that are literally addicted to ketamine are like, this is the most cerebral. This is the most complex album I've ever heard.

1:09:02George Civeris:Bro, this is all I say about this shit. Nobody that says they like it, likes it, understands it. I'm also like, the people that started saying they liked it the second it came out, I'm like, so is it complicated where you need to spend five weeks with it, or is it not? Because the first time I listened to it -

1:09:16Jason Stewart:Like saying how good Infinite Jest was the week it came out, You're like, you didn't finish it, bitch. Yeah, exactly. But there are some people that are able to enjoy and grasp the music of that, right? It has to be. Otherwise, I don't know.

1:09:29George Civeris:I don't know any of them. I don't know any of them. There's something that feels very academic with her whole... Again, I like her music. I support her or whatever. It feels very academic. It feels like the opposite of a Charlie, which is so id first. We're going out. We're doing drugs. Rosalia it's like get in the classroom Because there's a test

1:09:53Jason Stewart:Pencils down

1:09:54George Civeris:I don't disagree with you

1:09:56Jason Stewart:That makes sense Sometimes you watch Below Deck Sometimes you watch the Ken Burns doc But I was telling Sam this I actually think Rosalia would be best served She should do a residency at Lincoln Center Where it's like she performs that album live With a full orchestra every night I'd pay a lot of money to see that I think that's how it's meant to be experience. But I don't know. I don't know if me listening to it. Not at Bumbershoot. Right. I don't know if me going to, I don't know, horse meat disco and having the beat drop during Bergheim is going to really help me. They're going to try. I'm like, oh, is this the original Latin?

1:10:36George Civeris:It's like, no. They're going to force a square peg in a round hole on that one for sure. Well, it's one of our specialties, Chris. That's true. Are you drinking? I'm not paying attention to lyrics on horse meat. I'm drinking a seltzer. No, that's my favorite, the vintage brand. Oh, yeah, from Fresh Direct. I used to get that at Key Foods over there on Avenue A, but you're drinking the plain. It's more like broken here. Yeah, just plain. It's the best. It's kind of hard to find. Well, it's on Fresh Direct, which is what I use for groceries. Shout out. I use Fresh Direct as well now, but I didn't know it was there.

1:11:06George Civeris:I'll check it out. But these days, and let me get on my soapbox, these days are always out of good culture cottage cheese, and I have to get the other brands they have, which are not as good.

1:11:14Jason Stewart:There's a nationwide shortage of the good culture cottage cheese, George. Is this because it's a TikTok trend?

1:11:21George Civeris:I guess so.

1:11:22Jason Stewart:It's because it's very high in protein. High in protein. And then the ones that have more fat are the ones that sell out faster because they taste better. Because we don't care about fat and calories anymore as long as there's protein.

1:11:35George Civeris:I can't imagine having a meal without protein. That's fucking disgusting, you fat sack of shit.

1:11:39Jason Stewart:Says the one vegan. I mean, it is true that you see someone ordering spaghetti al limon and you're like, what is wrong with you?

1:11:46George Civeris:I don't give a fuck about that, and I literally think like that now, because that's how I've been told to think. I'm like, oh, well, I gotta get something.

1:11:53Jason Stewart:It's part of a balance. Last night, I had some gluten-free spaghetti pomodoro, as well as a salad of pea shoots and arugula, as well as a nice ribeye steak. So you get a little bit of everything. But if you only get the limbonne, it's like you're just eating cardboard, brother. It sure does taste good. By the way, I'm spending all of January in LA, and I need the official how long gone i need a recommendation list of what to hit up where you go where are you gonna be at largo yeah i'm gonna be yeah i'm doing the largo residency actually they pay you

1:12:24George Civeris:zero dollars um no you get to sleep backstage but it's pretty sick otherwise are you looking for

1:12:29Jason Stewart:mics are you looking for some like street tacos what's up literally best street tacos yeah because

1:12:35George Civeris:i i mean i've spent a lot of time in la but are you gonna be in a room or you know okay okay sorry No, it's just like a lot of little It's nothing interesting I wish I had something to announce It's like a lot of little things But I haven't lived in LA for an extended period of time Since like pre-pandemic I don't know what the cool restaurants are I mean, I know horses But that's kind of all I know And I know Greekman's And I know Greekman's feels sort of a little too in your strike zone Hat in a hat That's an unfair

1:13:07Jason Stewart:Shout out to Jonah, our dear friend at Greekman's Oh, and then, of course, all my references, it's like I go there and I go to Squirrel, and I'm like, God, I love this. Well, Squirrel Rocks. It's so good. Yeah, Squirrel Rocks. We're going to have Jessica from Squirrel on the pod whenever she switches that dinner service on. Jessica.

1:13:24George Civeris:I've been hearing about dinner service for literally two years, so I don't know what's going on.

1:13:28Jason Stewart:The plan started in 2017, I think, and we're almost there for Din Din. But once it's coming out, we'll get the scoop with her. Are you bringing the man out, or is this a solo bear hunting journey? No, it's a solo bear hunting journey. And the bear is Jordan Firstman.

1:13:44George Civeris:He has a job, so he can't really. He has to eat at all of New York's best. Well, that's the thing. I have a bone to pick with him, too. Him talking about Levo D 'Or like that. Like, come on, bro. Calm down. Okay, I'm actually. Thank you for bringing it up. Because he actually. Best restaurant in New York. He requested that I bring up his list and promote it while I was on here. I'm not kidding. He's in the other room. He might be able to hear me. But he said that it's too late for him to come on to promote it. so I have to promote it on my episode. It's New York Magazine's best restaurant in New York.

1:14:12My husband is the restaurant critic for New York Magazine, and his list of the 43 best restaurants in New York is now live on grubstreet.com.

1:14:21George Civeris:I just saw the Levo Door headline. I was like, people are brainwashed. Well, and guess who's doing the brainwashing? It's coming from inside the house. I know. And I don't mind. I can't. George, what are your thoughts on Levo Door then? I mean, I went with him when he went to review it, so it was very early on, and I loved it. I guess now it has gotten so overhyped that I understand if there's some sort of backlash that I'm not aware of, but I did really enjoy it. I don't think there's really any backlash. You would. I think we went with Mike Grimbaum and Julie Wiener. Oh, wow. Heavy table over there.

1:14:56George Civeris:Heavy table. Must be nice. No, I mean, I think that I forget that you have to go out to eat every night now. Well, not me. go, well, God, this is a sore subject. And he's skinnier than you, right? Correct. He is constantly complaining about getting fat, and I'm like, okay, well, your waist is, I know your waist is skinnier than mine because you're getting passed down pants that no longer fit me. So it is offensive of you to say that you are getting fat when it's right there in black and white. That's tough right in the household. No, he gets so many good hand-me-downs from me, and I get nothing because he is both skinnier than me and likes wearing tighter fitting clothing whereas i like more

1:15:37Jason Stewart:oversized so like there's nothing we can share but he's shorter than you right at least no just kidding i know that he was taller same height maybe he's a little taller but i okay uh no he has to eat like four to five times a week and i usually join like once a week you mean out out at a restaurant in new york you mean out at a restaurant yeah yeah sounds like fun to me i

1:15:56George Civeris:guess for some reason i would i do that by my own you know because i want to but being forced to feels different. Well, not just that, but then you're forced to, you would be ordering things you are not even craving. Oh, yeah. You would have to, I mean, the amount of like, just like animal innards and liver and like, uh, sweet breads that he has to consume, it's too much.

1:16:18Jason Stewart:You can only have so much quail per week, right, George? Yeah. I hit my quail quota

1:16:23George Civeris:and I had to kind of tap out. Quail quota. Yeah, we just had some amazing squab at Bobbo. Oh, I went to the new Bobbo. the shit was smacking i didn't have any squad but i loved it i actually don't know if his babo review is out yet so so maybe i should whatever by the time this is out it'll be out it doesn't matter it doesn't matter we went with uh we went with lily murata and uh and uh their wife god what a dream what a dream what a dream babo the only better thing would have been if mario was there himself but you know you can't win them all well lily lily is matthew said this so i can't take credit for it but he said lily is the unproblematic mario damn wow my third eye just cracked on that.

1:17:01George Civeris:He's absolutely right. Yeah, Lily,

1:17:04Jason Stewart:she tells me to sit on her lap. I'm not offended at all. I'm not scared sexually whatsoever.

1:17:08George Civeris:No, I'm sitting.

1:17:09Jason Stewart:Slaps my ass with a towel. It's welcomed.

1:17:12George Civeris:Orange Crocs are definitely in the wardrobe over there, too. That's definitely part of the rotation.

1:17:17Jason Stewart:Okay, well, I'm going to be in New York next month, I think. Let's try and get a power dinner on the books if you'll have me, George. Well, Matthew will have you, but as I said, I'll be in LA next month. Oh, that's right. That's right. Matthew will have me. He will take you out and you guys can have a nice romantic date.

1:17:31George Civeris:Yeah. New York Magazine owes me money anyway, so that's perfect. Well, join the club, sweetheart. All right. Thank you for joining us today, George. Always a pleasure.

1:17:40Jason Stewart:Go stream his new special on Amazon Prime or you can listen to it on Apple, Spotify, Tidal.

1:17:48George Civeris:All the streaming services. A sense of urgency. Thanks, guys. This was the best day of my life. We try. We try. Thanks again. And we'll see you soon. All right. Bye-bye.

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