910. - Leonard Baby

10:35Chris Black:But I feel like the guys are upset. I feel like people are upset that the hockey team, you know partied with this this problematic trump fbi director i mean what are you supposed to do you're a 24 year old with missing three teeth trying to get drunk after you just won a gold medal i don't think you're working the door at the fucking you know ice rink in milan to make sure that the bad guy from government doesn't slip in there and i saw a lot of musicians tweeting about this being like we all know this guy we all know the guy who's backstage for no reason and we don't Nobody really knows him. You know what I mean?

11:10Chris Black:But you've got to kind of deal with him all night. I think that's what Cash was here. He was on the promoter's list and wanted to sit in the green room and get some of your carrots is what I'm trying to say.

11:21Jason Stewart:Yeah, it was a great set tonight. Yeah. You mind if I grab one of these? You mind if I grab one of these? Do you want anything? Do you want anything?

11:27Chris Black:Do you guys have any mixers? Yeah. So that's what I think the Cash situation is more like. I think it's more like he snuck backstage, and now he's in the headlining Axe green room and doesn't really know what to do. So we're all out of Cranberry? Okay, no, it's fine. Because I'm going to tell you right now, I don't care if those hockey players are fucking diehard Republicans. I'm going to say 8 out of 10 didn't know who he was. Absolutely. Cash ain't got the face card like that. He's not. If you know him, to know him is to hate him. And I don't think these guys even, I don't even think these guys were capable.

11:59Jason Stewart:I want my Olympic athletes, especially ones who are meddling, I want their dedication to their sport and their craft to be so strong that they have no idea what's happening in the world today. They have no idea that Puerto Vallarta has been seized by a cartel.

12:16Chris Black:You need to be brain dead from smelling salts.

12:19Jason Stewart:They don't know what's going on in Greenland right now.

12:21Chris Black:No, hell no. Nor should they. So I want to take the blame off of them, even though I'm sure some of them are -

12:26Jason Stewart:I don't want to know how much a gallon of gas costs. I want them to eat, breathe, sleep, and drink. Puck. And only puck.

12:32Chris Black:Puck only, man. I think that's a – No airmail. I don't want to give these guys – I think they're probably a mixed bag of young fellas as far as their beliefs go. And I think – I also saw somebody talking about sort of the enduring nature of the hockey haircut, the helmet hair, the flow, as they say, if you're really in the ends. And it is an enduring look. And it has crossed over a little bit into the baseball arena because obviously they're wearing a hat. You can see something coming out of the bottom. The jewelry is attached.

13:07Jason Stewart:I hate the baseball jewelry. It looks like fucking Mardi Gras beads.

13:10Chris Black:Baseball jewelry is one of the worst things to ever happen. It looks like they're wearing a microphone on a reality show where they're shirtless. You know what I mean? It doesn't really work.

13:17Jason Stewart:Got to have something to clamp the windscreen mic onto. Exactly.

13:20Chris Black:It doesn't work stylistically, but the hockey hair for the guys, it does work. Obviously, it's also taken over Austin and Charleston, but these guys aren't playing hockey. They're just running in bandit tights. so you can't you know you can't win them all but they're doing some metal woods golf activation

13:36Jason Stewart:dude no my my fucking three wood is actually going long dude it's golf but it's it's like camo but it's also golf so it's a little different golf is different dude we do golf different we

13:46Chris Black:only drink 12 beers my dad drinks 14 so it's a little different we go out we do bumps on the night on the on the turn all right we have a guest today um my i my buddy uh leonard baby his show resting baby face opens during freeze la at villa carlotta actually tomorrow where today

14:03Jason Stewart:wednesday it's actually pronounced via via via i'll let you finish uh and um it's called resting

14:10Chris Black:baby face i love his work and he's him and i have hung out a few times um and there's a great story about how he in in financial times how to spend it about how he sort of is famously works from bed which is something that I feel like we also do in the podcast business a little bit. I feel like we have a lot to talk about. Plus, he was raised religious. I'm a bedditor. Yeah, I know. You're a bedditor. I'm on my bedditor thread. All right, let's give him a jingle. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Superpower. Superpower. Jason, recently I went to see the old doctor, and I left the medical facility in Beverly Hills, and I just felt like I didn't get any good info.

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18:58Leonard Baby:audio only but this is just is it like archived for your documentary one day or i jack off to it

19:03Jason Stewart:yeah i was gonna say i knew there's a jerk off joke coming here somewhere no no no it's just it's just so we can you know see each other and you know sometimes i'll say a joke and you'll think it's funny but you won't want to laugh audibly so you'll do like uh-huh i look i think

19:19Chris Black:that you maybe are in a different sometimes we have guests that are unable to uh acknowledge certain jokes that we're making because that would be bad for their business and so period but when we're on when we're on camera we can at least see them smiling and enjoying it but they there's a certain level of person who perfect who has perfected the um silent laugh for these occasions

19:39Leonard Baby:i'm still learning what i am and i'm not allowed to laugh at well you're an emerging artist in the

19:45Jason Stewart:space so you still have so many years if not decades to master this what do you i feel like

19:51Chris Black:you're allowed to laugh at anything you're you're on the you work for yourself baby it's all good you think CEO of this shit I mean do you I mean in I guess in some ways you work for the gallery maybe you could think of it as you work for the collectors but the collectors are all bad people

20:04Leonard Baby:anyway that's true yeah so you're fine it's not really it's all good they're not going to be

20:10Jason Stewart:offended that's for sure but when you say so obviously the collectors are what you need to make a living to right you know put money on put food on your family's table put geek in your geek bar exactly but it is widely known and spoken that they are evil a necessary evil do you think they almost like to be talked down upon so then they can then buy your artwork and control your

20:33Leonard Baby:life and make you go to dinners i actually do think so and i've heard i've heard that like the more um i don't know preachy the work is the more conservative the collector is if that makes it The more conflict you have politically with the work, the more it would sell to a...

20:51Chris Black:Right. Wow. So it's like, oh, I mean, that kind of... Okay, so it's like when the most outspoken anti-gay politician gets caught tapping his foot under the stall in the airport. Completely. Most racist guy on the block's got a black dog, stuff like that, right?

21:05Jason Stewart:Wow.

21:05Leonard Baby:Yeah, exactly. And we kind of see that in the pictures of the paintings in Epstein's house.

21:13Chris Black:Yeah. What did he have? I haven't actually looked into this. I'm more into his wardrobe. I haven't made it to his art collection yet.

21:19Leonard Baby:There's this really incredible painting of George Bush throwing paper planes into two Jenga towers, and the Jenga towers are collapsed. It's really good. And there's one of Bill Clinton in a dress. He's lounged. Yeah, it is giving 9-11.

21:36Jason Stewart:The Bill Clinton one is a classic. It's giving 9-11. It's very diva-designing women, southern belle, but it's Bill Clinton. Is he buying that?

21:48Chris Black:Are we familiar with the artist?

21:50Jason Stewart:I think he's commissioning these pieces.

21:52Leonard Baby:I think so too.

21:53Jason Stewart:They do feel specific.

21:54Chris Black:Those two examples do.

21:56Jason Stewart:We probably have no idea who painted those. I think if I painted those, I would not sign that work.

22:03Chris Black:Do you think though when Bill comes over for dinner and a little extracurricular, is he like, check this shit out, get a load of this or is Bill like, god damn it, Jeff, this isn't fucking funny.

22:13Jason Stewart:Oh, Jeff, you're a dog.

22:14Chris Black:Yeah, like, I wonder, I think everybody must have liked it.

22:18Leonard Baby:Yeah, I think it's probably, like, when it was private in the home, it was really cool, but now that it's out, it's not.

22:27Jason Stewart:Like many redacted files from government evidence. Exactly, exactly. At one point, it was impressive. It was a lot more awesome before the government had control of it. Exactly, yeah, yeah. All my guns, all my coke, when I had it, and it was just having it with my friends, it was sick. Yeah, yeah.

22:43Chris Black:I didn't even think about sort of, I mean, obviously, you know, George Bush is a well-loved painter now. But I haven't thought about sort of the problematic, like Bernie Madoff, for example, we saw all of his like Belgian shoe collection. But I never saw like, did he have an Alice Neel above his toilet that we're not familiar with? Like, what was his tape? That's what I mean. You know, what was he into?

23:05Leonard Baby:I don't think so. Okay.

23:07Chris Black:Okay. because I do think so when you when you see your stuff in situ after purchase are you usually like well we could change that chair out are you just happy to see it kind of living no I'm horrified I

23:20Leonard Baby:mean I'm like I'm horrified by the paintings anyway but like to see them framed and then on

23:27Chris Black:this like gallery wall or it's horrible okay so you're saying you hate your own work which is a common problem with anybody who makes anything yeah so you hate yourself and then when you see

23:37Jason Stewart:it in like an oil baron to be fair the work is quite bad thank you thank you so when you look

23:44Chris Black:at the and then when you see the the picture from the oil oil baron's wife at their third house you're like i i i would prefer it not to be next to that you know yeah or whatever okay are have

23:55Leonard Baby:there been any buyers of your art that you actually like yeah yeah and like i i just recently saw one in person and it was just like leaning on a desk and they were really apologetic they're like we're so sorry like we're gonna get it hung we're gonna get it framed but i i liked that the best i

24:13Chris Black:was like please don't just cool you're like britney spears you don't have to hide it in your dancing video it's fine i was i saw it leaning against the desk it's all good exactly precisely the check cleared yeah that's chic a little lean is it's nice i like that i like a lean too i mean in placement i feel like i think there's a do you do you pay attention to the secondary market i know some some artists uh are hawkeye when it comes to that yeah i mean i think

24:37Leonard Baby:it's kind of impossible not to be hawkeye that feels similar to saying like i don't read the comments like you do yeah we all read the comments to some extent yeah i try not to and i love not to but i do i'm yeah i'm watching because you have now my question is do you have people because i

24:53Chris Black:know jason and i do um that like to share this information that you might be trying to avoid with you directly so that you then can't avoid it it's horrible it's like it's friendships are

25:03Leonard Baby:ruined and like it's every call i'm like i can't pick it up because it's just going to ruin my day because it might they might have some bad news for me yeah yeah no that's i i think it's it's

25:13Chris Black:really funny that people are that people think that you want to know this stuff even if you maybe explicitly told them that you would like to avoid that stuff if you if you could and when

25:23Leonard Baby:when you say you explicitly don't want to know they'll still call you and then be like oh and did you see oh never mind and you're like i it's too late you can't help yeah you can't help but slip it it's like you have to tell me now i guess i'm i don't know i'm i'm part of the problem

25:38Chris Black:probably on both sides you know i'm probably probably on both sides yeah i'm i'm that way

25:42Jason Stewart:it always angers me when people try to make like a celebrity death about them but also when when a a person of note dies i'm the first to put that little link in the little tmz in the group chat

25:56Leonard Baby:you know they meant so much to me they changed my life i don't do it publicly but i'm i'm death

26:01Jason Stewart:watching you know i'm always paying attention now that you're saying that jason you are a death

26:06Chris Black:watcher and i don't you're not a dark guy like that you just dying today you put your you put your bifocals on look for the deaths i just didn't i i love celebrity obviously i love celebrity gossip but it's there's too many sources now like because when i got started in the game it was like crazy days and nights anonymous you know blog spot and oh no they didn't like like user generated now it's sort of like a you know when we got pop crave and tmz nothing feels real

26:36Jason Stewart:you know totally totally and do moi chris they they say build build the things that don't exist that you want so i think that you are you know you're ready to go to be the editor of it the

26:50Chris Black:gossip rag for the rest of us that's right we're gonna turn yeah make it cute they're looking to replace somebody over at gq uk so maybe i could step in and just make it more of a gossip there

26:59Jason Stewart:you go no no there has to be a new vertical we have to start a new vertical okay i'll be in charge of experiential of course and you can be in charge of hayley bieber's lunches yeah i just

27:09Chris Black:I think what it is, though, really, is that it's moved into, it's an image-based culture now. And when I was younger, it was more like a whisper, like this happened at a nightclub or this happened here. And now it's just like, all right, yeah, this bitch's ribs are showing, leaving a restaurant, she's too skinny. Or like, this guy's drunk as fuck with a woman who's not his wife and we have pictures. So it's not, there's no fun left in it, really, in the same way. The written word. Did you guys see that Lily Rose Depp thing with Dumas? that she was in the club with another chick.

27:40Leonard Baby:Then she said it was like AI. Oh. Did you see that? She was like, this is really fucked up. This video's doctor. Like, I've never.

27:49Jason Stewart:That's like basketball player defense. That's very impressive to try. No, no, no.

27:53Chris Black:That's AI, baby.

27:54Jason Stewart:But also because so she was in the club with somebody who resembled 007 shake her life partner. You know, a long haired stud. A raven haired stud. Got the Truys on A chrome belt or whatever So obviously Lily has a type But she's saying no that wasn't A new stud that was AI

28:18Chris Black:They were putting a name to this This was a person that you could find They gave it a name They said her Gave them a name Chris Yeah I said they gave them a name

28:28Jason Stewart:Not it I guess if AI generated you Then it could be a hit That's how you trick her if you catch her on the pronoun.

28:38Chris Black:Do you personally think that it was AI generator or do you believe that Lily Rose found a new stud? I believe women. Okay. All of them, all the time, Leo.

28:48Leonard Baby:All women, all the time.

28:50Jason Stewart:Even lesbians though?

28:51Leonard Baby:Even lesbians? Even lesbians. Especially lesbians, Chris.

28:54Chris Black:What is your relationship to the lesbian community? Because I know sometimes there can be some friction between the gay community and the lesbian community. Too close to it.

29:00Leonard Baby:I don't have active friction. I want to be closer, but that also feels kind of like fabricated and like it would be going out of my way to go to

29:10Jason Stewart:the cubby hole okay sure sure who are we fooling yeah i just feel like as and maybe it's because

29:15Chris Black:i'm a man who's been gay baiting for my entire adult life but i've never been invited to a

29:19Jason Stewart:lesbian bar or any sort of lesbian because you're far from being welcome chris i'm not welcome i

29:25Chris Black:don't think you are either you don't think i don't think we're well trotsing around at the eagle but

29:28Jason Stewart:no we don't lesbians don't need you there chris because lesbians don't there's no lesbians they

29:32Chris Black:know there's no hope of turning me so what's the point yeah but you're their bro no is that okay to say in theory yes i am the i am the broski in theory but also a lesbian doesn't have to turn

29:44Jason Stewart:you if you're if you're attracted to women all they gotta do is catch you slipping good that

29:49Chris Black:that's that's also true i guess that's true because uh you know there's a spectrum what do you think what kind of music are they playing at the cubby hole if you could guess soundtrack wise cranberries techno remix yeah

30:11Chris Black:i'd say like moona okay so moon is the fate i thought okay i thought moona was for some reason is that too on the nose no no no i think not no but i'm just saying i thought something about moona feels like their audience is like younger i'm not sure what the cubbyhole audience is for some reason i was giving 40 plus yeah that makes sense there needs to be a new in like our generation

30:32Jason Stewart:you know the gen gen x gen whatever millennial is like the indigo girls is sort of the go-to lesbian trope so i feel like we need a little bit more of an updated version of that whoever that

30:44Chris Black:may be somewhere between indigo and muna now that you're bringing this up though i'm a big indigo girls guy at one of one of athens finest comes as no surprise chris underappreciated in many many Are you Athens proper? No, I'm from Atlanta. Atlanta, okay. There's sort of just an understood respect. I mean, obviously Athens gave us REM beyond Georgia Bulldogs football. And B-52s? Yeah, yeah. And B-52s and, I mean, countless other Elephant 6, you know, Neutral Milk Hotel. Yeah. Which is, I guess, not cool anymore. I've been following. There's like a thing where now Neutral Milk Hotel is considered like cringe.

31:22Jason Stewart:Oh, wow.

31:23Chris Black:Have you seen this, Jason?

31:24Jason Stewart:Are we neutral on neutral milk? Like they're saying the lyrics ended up being not aging as well?

31:30Chris Black:No, I think it's just like, I think that that era and like sort of the quote unquote tweeness of it all is like lame, which is like, okay.

31:39Leonard Baby:It's always been cringe to me. You guys are, I'm sorry, you're just late. So like you're catching up.

31:46Jason Stewart:What are some other musical acts from that era that you have always known in your heart that are cringe? I can't do like postal service or like.

31:59Chris Black:Yeah. But you're younger than us, to be fair. You're like what? Mid 30s, early 30s? 21.

32:07Leonard Baby:I'm 29.

32:08Chris Black:You're 29. Okay. You're a lot younger than us. All right. So you're 29. You're the age group that would hate stuff that you weren't really around for. And that's no offense to you, of course. I will say that Neutral Milk Hotel is both cringe and legendary. and it can exist in those two spaces for me.

32:26Leonard Baby:I mean, but not to pat my own back, but I was one of those online way too early. Okay. So I was aware while it was happening, but I think I'm a gay that only likes female vocalists. Same, actually.

32:41Chris Black:I'm a big female vocalist. If you had to go top three female vocalists.

32:46Jason Stewart:So not even a juju? Yeah.

32:49Chris Black:If you had to go top three female vocalists, dead or alive what are we going with i'm going i think with stevie nicks okay that's fair that's

32:59Leonard Baby:fair i love that cigarette voice same same ultimate diva whitney yes okay yeah we're with you but i'm really like frustrated by like when there's like gay guy music night they're obsessed with and this kind of goes back back to like um auction and stuff like i don't like people who like are into metrics and like we'll be watching like a video of a female vocalist and like oh that's pitchy and it's like i don't like i don't care about i want to hear like right you're you're

33:30Jason Stewart:you're an emotion feelings person not like a data driven precisely precisely i think that's the way

33:36Chris Black:it should be you're an artiste i think that's i understand what you mean i i think the same i mean i think that's where we've gotten in the world though is that everybody thinks they know

33:44Jason Stewart:better we we've talked about this same phenomenon a lot with with film criticism how um you know it's no longer this is my favorite movie this is whatever it's like this is the best movie and i'm judging that on box office scores and you know so like nobody like everyone is afraid to have their own opinion or don't have the brain power to have their own opinion precisely so it's just whatever is the best is what is the best and we're not there's no longer like subjective right

34:14Leonard Baby:right right right i mean it belongs like film belongs now to i think like autistic straight men and it's all about like the tracking shot and like and we're not giving it back right i think okay you take it take it yeah you can take this malignia bucket from my cold dead hands bitch

34:34Chris Black:so you're saying that you're saying that these autistic straight men are are talking about you what lenses they're using and the tracking shot.

34:42Leonard Baby:It's all about form and not content, and I'm all content.

34:46Chris Black:I think you make a good point there. I think you make a good point. Let the straights figure that out for you. I think getting into technical stuff is, I think some people's brains are wired that way, but I think if you lead with that, it can be a turnoff to people who actually have good taste.

35:00Leonard Baby:Yeah. I mean, I think it's so antithetical to art, especially painting. like oftentimes like technically the worse it is the better the painting is and so i think that's where i'm coming from but i think it applies to music too it's like some of that like really shitty like grime stuff early like that's i think the best like those vocals are do you say grime

35:24Jason Stewart:or grimes uh grimes yeah yeah yeah i mean early grimes some some magical you guys can hold you

35:31Chris Black:You guys can hold that one. Y 'all can have that. Y 'all can have that.

35:34Leonard Baby:I'll put you on to that early stuff.

35:36Chris Black:I was around for that. And I tell you what, I put my sunglasses on and just kept my head down and kept walking.

35:43Jason Stewart:I'll still DJ that in the club. Yeah.

35:45Chris Black:And it just, it goes off. I'm telling you guys for real. I don't know if I could, there's a grime song that's so big that I would know it. But otherwise I assume, otherwise I couldn't.

35:56Jason Stewart:Genesis or Oblivion is probably one of those two that you're thinking, Chris.

35:59Chris Black:Because I've never actively pressed play on Grimes. And that's not because I don't want to. It was because I just never, I never even considered it, really.

36:06Jason Stewart:Do you fuck with current, contemporary, AI, techno, futurist Grimes?

36:13Leonard Baby:I want to say no, but like I think. You low-key are fucking with it. Like up till her latest release, I've been into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get that. I mean, she's a comedian. I don't know if she knows that, but like I consume it for the joke.

36:29Chris Black:sure oh okay is she is she financially sound because of her child with elon or does her music

36:36Leonard Baby:continue to throw off cash i think about that all the time i mean you i don't it doesn't seem it when she's tweeting like hey please pay the child support you know but that does that does seem

36:48Jason Stewart:like a red flag i have a feeling i know that she's like in the san francisco like she's she's at the little fireside chats with the the teals and whatever i think she's how does she how does she look i think she's just fine i don't know about that either because you jason you kind of thought she was hot low key be honest there's times in my life where i would tap but i think now she's a little more like i'm always wearing like a duster and carrying a sword around and i have like a new tattoo of like she does she is giving on my fucking eye legends of zelda a little

37:19Chris Black:bit. No, for sure. And you're not into that, Chris? I find everything about her is just ugly to me. Like, the aesthetic is ugly. And I know that was the point, and that's what appealed, because it was new at the time, or like, new to a wide group of people.

37:33Jason Stewart:I feel like every week there's just like, oh, I sewed on a new nipple, I bleached my eyelids, you know, there's always just some like, is it mutilation, or is it, you know?

37:42Chris Black:I'm too trad for that shit. Like, I can't, like, I believe that she's a real talent, but...

37:48Jason Stewart:Chris would rather have Sydney Sweeney than grimes okay i hate to be i hate to say it but it's not untrue i mean i think i think it's a real

37:55Chris Black:american woman grimes if i had to pick grimes or mia i'm going mia even though they feel like they're birthed from the same totally they feel like they're from the same mother if you will

38:06Leonard Baby:yeah but they're they're both i mean they're both great comedians and yeah mi is great mi gave us

38:13Chris Black:a generational smash i would say there's two or three amazing songs but i would say she gave us a lifelong sort of seven nation army level song that will be played for the rest of 100 yeah i

38:24Jason Stewart:don't know if grimes i don't know if grimes yeah there was a mia performed at the super bowl like 10 years ago or something like that grimes is never going to play at the super bowl yeah imagine she i didn't who'd she who'd she come out with madonna yeah madonna yeah and she famously flipped off the camera which was punk as fuck yeah she's so that was really cool and that was

38:47Chris Black:And that was before 5G had got a hold of her, too. So she did that kind of on her own evolution.

38:50Jason Stewart:That was 3G, I think, at the time. Yeah. A lot of people talking about 5G. Don't sleep on 3G. It was very damaging. Don't sleep on 3G. Y 'all don't remember that 3G?

38:58Leonard Baby:Did you see her saying about Rosalia? She's like, my culture's not your costume. What?

39:05Jason Stewart:What is she referring to?

39:07Leonard Baby:Rosalia did a cover of Vogue. And it was like...

39:12Jason Stewart:Like Madonna's Vogue?

39:13Leonard Baby:No. Yeah, exactly. No, the magazine.

39:16Jason Stewart:Oh, God.

39:17Leonard Baby:And it's like Catholic inspired and M.A. has been on that Jesus shit for a few years now. Right, right, right.

39:27Chris Black:Hey, you've been on your Jesus shit my whole life.

39:30Jason Stewart:Yeah, and hold the L on that one.

39:32Chris Black:This is a good question to ask you actually because I think this is something that's really... So the new Supreme collection came out yesterday and there were several items.

39:40Jason Stewart:I'm glad we had Leo on the pod for this drop.

39:42Chris Black:I'm thrilled to be talking about Supreme. Just wait, it'll get there. So the Supreme Collection came out and there's like a Spider-Man Vanson racing jacket. And some guy is like, you ripped me off. And then there's this other thing. Somebody's like, this is my small brand. You ripped me off. And then people go back and they're like, actually, bro, here's a picture of a NASCAR driver or F1 driver in the 70s. Whatever. You know what I mean? So it's always disproved.

40:06Jason Stewart:I put a scream mask on a beanie first. I invented scream.

40:10Chris Black:They're literally fighting for the bottom. But I guess what I'm saying is that there's a real culture now of everyone thinking that they were first and that everything they do is getting stolen by someone else. And I feel like as an artist, you might be privy to that in both ways based on what you do.

40:27Leonard Baby:For sure. Yeah, I mean, that drives me insane. I think people have gotten way too like, it's mine. Like, I did this. It's mine. My philosophy is like, if someone paints your painting better than you, that's on you. like it's theirs try again yeah totally try again i like that give it another shot why don't you go back in the studio and come back and let me know how it goes completely but like there's that's like such a culture in the art world there's an instagram that will like put up paintings of like the same painting next to each other and then in the comments it's like people are rooting for

41:02Jason Stewart:whoever their friends and they're like i like the chloe wise one more exactly some people like i like leo's more no i see it all the time with like someone will like like a you know like a huge music video will come out you know like fucking black pink or something like that and then some random artist who their video has 700 plays and they'll do screen grabs like right she was on a motorcycle and i was on a she has blue hair and i had blue hair in this one and i just think it's fucked up that they would do this yeah and i think it's just it's great i am a firm believer that

41:35Leonard Baby:cream rises to the top and um like just because the blackpink video or whatever got success now doesn't mean that the one with 700 views won't pop up in 30 years and be like massive yeah yeah

41:47Chris Black:i also think that everything is i mean at this point i just i'm tough i think it's tough to find anything that's like truly original especially in like that kind of stuff like in like a real pop culture level the same our peers are the ones looking at the movies and the old videos and the old magazine you know what i mean it's all coming from and i i would like that i would rather a picture look like bruce weber than you try to do something else totally because it's going to be bad i agree like i don't like i'm good just try to do your best richard avidon it will be better totally like i don't need yeah i don't know man i don't know i just think there's some stuff where it's like how can we approve on the form yes like in a way i feel like there's a pressure to like reinvent something it's like dude like i don't know how much more there is to do i really don't

42:29Jason Stewart:I guess I see a parallel in the food and the chef space. If you're just like, oh, I did the very best burger, then you're not going to feel like you're personally getting credit and accolades and honor compared to when I have invented this new style of painting or artwork or food or whatever that I can put my name on and have value to it. It used to just be good enough to be, I'm a good artist. Right. And now you have to be, I broke out onto the scene inventing a whole new medium discipline you know right right right otherwise it's not enough for

43:02Leonard Baby:them totally well in art historically like everyone was doing their rendition of like ophelia or something and now it's like you painted that too that's mine i did it first and it's just corny i stole that first yeah yeah exactly exactly okay well um do you think that art

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44:58Leonard Baby:i don't know if i've seen a painting that was like technically good that didn't have something big behind it i see what you're saying you like sort of need one for the other

45:07Chris Black:yeah yeah i mean i think what also meaning is in the eye of the beholder a little bit you know what i mean of course like you can tell me whatever it means to you and that doesn't necessarily matter

45:18Jason Stewart:to me this one's about the cuban missile crisis i didn't pick that up yeah exactly like i think

45:23Chris Black:i think that there's some yeah i mean the technical but what you're doing is pretty technical i have to say i mean it's it's pretty like serious as far as like the uh time put in

45:33Leonard Baby:definitely it's labored um but i think i believe less in like meaning than i do like aura and like I really believe even with a Woody Allen movie, whether he likes it or not, the pedophilia is going to leak out through the editing or something. Do you know what I mean?

45:52Chris Black:You're going to find it. You're going to feel it.

45:53Leonard Baby:I don't think that you go after a painting saying, this is what the meaning is going to be, but something happens in the process of transfer. The aura.

46:04Jason Stewart:The cream rises to the top, and the sludge and the sediment always slips down to the bottom. You can't control it.

46:11Chris Black:That's what I think, yeah. I think you might be right on that. I think you can feel, I mean, it's when people say like you're pure of heart, it's a similar kind of idea. Totally.

46:20Leonard Baby:The only person that I've like been stumped by is, well, and the verdict is still out, but the only person I've been stumped by is Michael Jackson. We're going through it right now. Say more, say more.

46:31Chris Black:He's been forgiven in most circles that I've seen. Well, and one of those circles is me.

46:37Leonard Baby:So what are you grappling with MJ and his art? I think typically, and that's why I say the verge is out. We don't know if he did it or not. But if they did it, the work usually suffers for it. And let's say Michael Jackson did do it. The work is still just the best of all time. I see. You're saying there's exceptions to every rule. One, and it's Michael Jackson, yeah.

47:02Jason Stewart:Picasso was a cheater, right?

47:03Chris Black:Oh, legendary. And it shows. It shows. It shows in his work. Legendary Stickman. Honestly, legendary Stickman. Before the word was even invented, he was putting in work. The cheating seeps through in the work. But I think that Michael Jackson. It's so funny because I don't think about Michael Jackson at all. Really? Like I don't. At all. I don't feel like I hear his music. I don't. And if I do. It's like elevator music? Yeah. It's kind of like I don't. It's so part of. It's like the moon.

47:28Jason Stewart:It's always there, but I never think about it. It's like the fabric.

47:31Chris Black:Like Jason, you wouldn't play Michael Jackson when you DJ, but that's not because you wouldn't think about it.

47:37Jason Stewart:Yeah, I guess. Yeah. I mean, it's just like singing Happy Birthday or Mickey Mouse or anything. It's just a part permanently sewed into the fabric of our life and culture. Yeah, it makes it somehow.

47:49Chris Black:Yeah. And maybe this is wrong.

47:51Jason Stewart:It's like you don't think about breathing.

47:52Chris Black:It feels less special to me because of that, which is society's fault, not his. Right, totally. that's also a testament to how good it is. So it's like a little confusing, I think.

48:05Leonard Baby:Yeah, but if you really hold on to artistry and connoisseurship like me, every time a Michael Jackson song comes on, you think it just doesn't get better.

48:14Chris Black:That's how I feel about several white men that have been canceled for different offenses about their music that I listen to privately in my AirPods.

48:21Jason Stewart:But also, speaking of cancel white men, MJ had that studio full of just a random bass player that looks like your substitute history teacher in high school and a synth wizard and they're laying down the greatest most perfect music of all time yeah it really is just so crazy

48:41Chris Black:it's really hard to think about it because I would never listen to music like that I would never go on to Apple Music and type in Michael Jackson and play a Michael Jackson song it just doesn't even occur to me

48:54Jason Stewart:this is Michael Jackson

48:55Chris Black:yeah yeah what about janet are you oh i'm i'm more of a janet head actually i was a real janet whitney mariah guy yeah during that era i mean that was also the most popular music that maybe i mean i don't think i mean i guess obviously like all these fucking you know k-pop it's it's different because the we don't have a monoculture anymore sure but like when mariah carey and whitney houston and janet jackson were popular that was like that was it right right well

49:22Leonard Baby:but that's kind of what i'm talking about with the cream rising to the top is like janet was janet kind of went away and then now tiktok is back and she's like oh is she back is she having a tiktok research huge yeah what song is it called stuff it's someone to call my lover

49:37Jason Stewart:or something yeah oh okay okay okay okay okay if i was your girl if i was the things i do to you someone great remix of someone to call your lover if you're are you a dj leo you in the club i'm not

49:51Leonard Baby:yours I think on the pod oh really oh did you play at the end of an episode Jason I think so

49:56Chris Black:yeah but it was like a month or two ago so Leo's been listening he's been doing his homework he's been doing his homework I didn't know I keep up I think fabulous I I think that those I I think that era of like women singers is probably will go unmatched I I don't think that'll ever like I don't think we I don't think we can look at I don't I just don't feel like Taylor Swift and you don't think K-pop demon hunters is going to do it yeah I just don't think that like I just don't think it's there I don't I don't know if it'll ever be the same but

50:26Leonard Baby:that's maybe not fair to compare no I mean I completely agree with you but that is kind of what I'm talking about about like technicalities and stuff like I don't think that that matters so much anymore and I'm not mad about like Charlie XCX can't sing but like that's not the point and like I'm okay with that yeah I mean the point I think that all the time I think like oh this is

50:45Chris Black:the reason this is popular is not because of even what it is.

50:49Jason Stewart:I'm not listening to Pink Pantherist because she's doing an A minor 7th sharp run up to the 916ths or whatever. It's just cute music that I like.

50:59Chris Black:Precisely. It's just good. And I think that I don't get caught up in the technicality stuff. I think we were sort of blessed at that time that all those people just happened to be that good. Totally. It was sort of like, oh, you can just really do this. I don't even think I knew what it meant at that point. But you're just like, oh, that sounds good. It was singing. Yeah, it was back when singing was singing. I mean, it was before there was so much assistance available.

51:21Leonard Baby:Yeah, but kids aren't raised like the Jacksons anymore, too, which is a good thing.

51:26Jason Stewart:There's pros and cons. Less excellence is being created. There's still abusive parents out there.

51:31Chris Black:We just saw these traumas. We just saw these ice skater. We saw this ice skater.

51:34Leonard Baby:That, she's like, she's the, well, her and Luigi Mangione are competing for the best artists of our time. Okay, so you're a Luigi apologist because he's hot or because you believe in his cause? The work. It's the work.

51:46Chris Black:The work's amazing.

51:48Leonard Baby:Yeah.

51:48Jason Stewart:Okay, in this case. Luigi's work is murder.

51:51Leonard Baby:I would love to get specific, yeah, about what the work is.

51:53Jason Stewart:Alleged. Do you think he's innocent like Michael?

51:56Leonard Baby:It depends on what you're referring to when you say innocent. It's what I was talking about earlier in like the meaning or what you were saying.

52:03Jason Stewart:Do you think Luigi shot a CEO in cold blood with a gun? if he did do that he's the greatest artist of our time okay well it's giving joker

52:16Chris Black:two i'm not a luigi i don't really understand the fascination with him he's not chris's type first and foremost physically physically i mean he's kind of everybody's type i think he's kind of everybody's type is why it's working for him you know luigi needs another kill because heated

52:35Jason Stewart:rivalry is eating his lunch right now.

52:37Chris Black:You know? Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is it's only because of his looks. I don't think people even remember what he did at this point.

52:44Leonard Baby:Oh, interesting. I mean, people... It's giving hot felon...

52:47Chris Black:So we should just let him out of jail. I don't even remember why you're in here. Do you remember the hot felon that went on to marry the Topshop heiress? Yeah. Jeremy Meeks? Yeah. Kind of looked like a pit bull. That guy was so hot that we like... But he had some bullshit charges. Like, he didn't kill anyone. It was fine. So he was able to rise to the top of a Daily Mail gossip every day and make a life for himself. But I don't know if Luigi's going to skate on these charges.

53:10Leonard Baby:No, I don't think so either. But I will say, I mean, I agree with you, with the masses. But if I didn't know at all what Luigi looked like, I'd still be saying what I'm saying. I think you're a liar. Power to the people.

53:24Chris Black:Power to the people. Unless he could lose 20, then it's, I don't know, whatever. We'll see what happens. But I think Luigi is going to, I think Luigi's gonna unfortunately do some hard time and it's gonna be tough for the community when I community I mean gays because that's the only people really propping him up

53:40Jason Stewart:there's a lot of women who are horny for him I would say maybe more so than gays I know that but they seem less vocal women fuck with a criminal heavier than a man does

53:49Chris Black:yeah that's a good point

53:50Jason Stewart:you don't get turned on by crime do you Leo?

53:54Leonard Baby:I don't think I'd say turned on I'm like into it but no not turned on

53:59Jason Stewart:okay

54:01Leonard Baby:I'm in the same boat as you but I think like what Luigi did is similar to Sinead going on SNL and saying fight the real enemy which is one of the best pieces of all time I agree

54:14Chris Black:that is legendary I agree with that

54:16Jason Stewart:Sinead's going up there with Whitney and

54:19Chris Black:Sinead's an all timer but I think the difference is there no one died Sinead killed a piece of paper and Luigi killed a guy

54:26Jason Stewart:she did kill a piece of paper

54:27Leonard Baby:I think you're forgetting something. Think about the people who died at the hands of that CEO now.

54:35Jason Stewart:Of course. I mean, I'm not saying one is right or wrong or good or bad. I'm just saying, you know, in terms of crimes.

54:42Chris Black:Yeah, one is a little. I feel like Luigi. I also think these, it's sort of like, how long is this going to go on for before they throw the book at him? Because I feel like it's just like he hasn't even gone to trial. I feel like it's just, it's been years, it feels like. Right. But maybe that's because time just moves.

54:58Leonard Baby:And it's only been six months. I don't know.

55:01Chris Black:I feel like it's been a couple years, but it feels like...

55:04Leonard Baby:It'll be two weeks tomorrow.

55:05Chris Black:Yeah, it feels like something. Life comes at you slow, doesn't it? We should have taken care of. So how did you get to LA, if you don't mind me asking? Because I feel like I've been stuck in Charleston for three days. I know it. Stevie told me that you made it out in a weird... You made it out the last flight out.

55:21Jason Stewart:For listeners at home, you're not talking about permanently moving, just visiting LA.

55:25Chris Black:i'm talking right indiana jones style like you're running on the on the tarmac and jump on to the spirit flight oh truly we're on the last chopper out of yeah yeah yeah literally have you

55:36Leonard Baby:guys ever been on a plane when they do that like it's like a car wash where they spray the ice off the wings yeah yeah exactly so that happened for the first time it's crazy the runway is like you can't see two feet in front of you but i made it somehow i mean i was just refreshing the like flight page obsessively for 12 hours and found one and made it out you're saying you okay so you're saying you purchased that flight the day of oh yeah like three hours before okay so this

56:02Chris Black:show this is opening today i received an invite for this show weeks ago yeah so this was on the docket what's up with that are you a little bit of a maybe a you pushing it to the limit as far

56:13Leonard Baby:as last minute do you like to edge your travel no it's because i was supposed to arrive today but like it was looking like bad the city was going to be shut down for like a week so i was like i've got to get out of here before i'm stuck okay you had a five buck you switched it up last

56:27Jason Stewart:month smart move very exactly that's what i did i almost did that i almost spent two grand on two

56:32Chris Black:spirit flights from charleston to new york oh yeah i was like you know what charleston's great

56:36Jason Stewart:i love this i don't i don't need to go back that bad so are you staying at villa carlotta

56:40Leonard Baby:no right now i'm in a hotel called volume it's really it's a funny i know volume i've been put

56:46Jason Stewart:up at volume before i know yeah i know the program is that in hollywood yeah they've got like a

56:50Chris Black:honky tonk on the roof it's where the five spot is jason it's like right over there where um uh what's it what's it called what why can't you the italian restaurant that was hot for so long funky restaurant oh mother wolf it's next to mother wolf got it got it got it okay it's literally next to mother you're right in the zone right by popeyes i lived i lived at via carlotta for six months no way when in during covid that was a fun time oh period how was that man it was pretty good we were talking about today we were talking about today it was like i kind of felt i wrote about it and they gave me a deal and then i just kept being like i'm just gonna stay and they were just kind of cool with it okay the only downside was parking not to sound like an la guy but there was no parking okay so that was a little tough i had to parallel park on what street is that jason fountain

57:33Jason Stewart:franklin franklin sorry franklin notorious tough parking over there but you could i could walk down

57:39Chris Black:yeah i love it that would clark and uh lily's and stuff it was it was it was a good place to stay and I had a pool and I guess now it's been taken over by like Australian crypto guys and shit. The Villa Carlotta's. Like the residents. But when I stayed there it was sort of like weird, you know, like weird hot chicks that were sort of like going through it. Period. You know what I mean? Like, oh, like I got divorced during COVID and like I'm just gonna lay low at the Villa for a few weeks. But I'm like friends with Paris Hilton. It was a very weird vibe. Like very weird. It was, to be fair, it was kind of before the crypto explosion.

58:13Chris Black:So it was a different kind of weird well it sounds like by weird you mean amazing it is kind of it's a psychedelic place i mean i think the prices have gone up considerably um so that attracts a different kind of person but i had some great times at villa i just and the lobby is so nice and so underutilized yeah yeah very underutilized but does bill do this kind of stuff like have you done most of your shows have been in regular galleries right but this is like a different correct yeah

58:37Leonard Baby:it's a newer thing i think like it's i don't know it's kind of trying to like shake up the like free like the big art fair like yeah because like you get so lost in like the big convention center it just like you can't like differentiate anything or and it just like the the it feels like a big like um car lot like a car sales place and so it's like an attempt to like differentiate from

59:03Chris Black:that i think yeah i mean the freeze thing is like fun to go to if you're me you know to just check stuff out but if you have skin if you have skin in the game totally totally if you're going to

59:12Leonard Baby:see the outfits it's great and drink some champagne but like i like i like i guess i like

59:18Chris Black:to go and i like to see everything in one place as a viewer it's nice and you're able to like take it in yeah i can kind of i'm look i'm moving through there don't get me wrong i'm not fucking sitting down trying to take it in you know while i drink my sponsored coffee um i i move through it but i just feel like it's fun to see all that stuff in one place kind of because that's really hard to do yeah and that's the way i look at it like even when i used to go to art basil like you know 10 years ago i would always make the effort to go to the fair because i was like well this is kind of crazy that all this stuff is in one place like it's not the best environment and it's a bunch of european guys and navy blazers that don't really fit with like running shoes on right but it's a lot of stuff in one place that you would have to literally crisscross the globe to see if you wanted to see it all.

1:00:03Chris Black:That's the way I look at it. This is why we freeze, boys. It's a good way to look at it. But I'm not on the business side of it. But people do sell at freeze. I mean, it does well, right? Very much so, yeah, totally.

1:00:13Jason Stewart:I was listening to a podcast interview with you from a couple years ago. I had a couple questions just to pull just some medium fire, not rapid fire.

1:00:24Leonard Baby:Okay, go for it.

1:00:25Jason Stewart:But I did say in my email,

1:00:27Leonard Baby:I'm only answering pre-approved questions.

1:00:30Jason Stewart:okay if there's if there's nothing that if there's anything that you want me to call out or cut just do let me know i didn't get that pdf from your team i'm sorry all right all right yeah i'll just

1:00:39Leonard Baby:get final cut right yeah yeah we'll we'll send to you first and you have 12 hours to respond you

1:00:43Jason Stewart:have 12 minutes to respond okay as as a melancholy twink is eating and sleeping a chore to you

1:00:51Leonard Baby:god i can't even process that question as a melancholy twink say that last part is eating and sleeping a chore to you? Very much so, yeah. Okay. I'm so annoyed to eat. It makes me so angry. Really?

1:01:08Chris Black:Okay, but you're saying because it takes time away from your day or because it just feels like something you gotta do? Both. It's not enjoyable in any way to you.

1:01:17Leonard Baby:It takes time away and I don't like food enough to want to do that. I feel like I've been to dinner with you a few times and I was kind of like...

1:01:26Chris Black:You're watching me pick. Were you just moving your peas around the plate? I wanted to finish your fries, but we didn't know each other. You know what I mean? It was one of those things. I was like, I don't think he's going to eat these. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go for it anytime. I don't want to be bossy. I don't want to feel intrusive.

1:01:39Jason Stewart:Moving forward, we can kind of nip off of your plate.

1:01:42Chris Black:Yeah, absolutely. Okay, good to know. I'll reach over.

1:01:45Leonard Baby:My routine is kind of like I don't eat because I don't really get hungry and I'm not motivated by food. I fall asleep and then wake up in the middle of the night and just like inhale anything in the fridge and go back to sleep. And I love it. It's the best.

1:02:00Chris Black:Okay. So you're saying -

1:02:02Leonard Baby:A raccoon-like eating habit. It's a raccoon style.

1:02:05Chris Black:All right. So if you're saying, okay, but you do go to dinner socially and you're happy to do that.

1:02:12Jason Stewart:Do any foods bring you pleasure? Or is it all kind of just, it has to happen?

1:02:19Leonard Baby:Food very much brings me pleasure, but like i don't see much of a difference between like wendy's and nobu you don't see color you don't see color between 11 madison park and wendy's okay exactly okay you uh you said that

1:02:35Jason Stewart:there is a corniness to your artwork which you like uh-huh you like that about it what is corny

1:02:42Leonard Baby:about your artwork um i think it's like it's a bit on the nose in terms of like americana and white people and rich people and uh okay i corny in this in the way that like 1960s hollywood is but i see what you mean i see what you mean

1:03:03Chris Black:but well hold on i just i can't get over you all right so what what is the i mean obviously sleeping's a big part of your story here i've i've seen a lot about it what hours are we keeping because that that is as an adult man i know you kind of do your thing but like right you you have to participate in polite society a little bit i

1:03:23Leonard Baby:assume i mean you'd be surprised i don't really have to i'm probably keeping like four or five a.m

1:03:31Chris Black:to like 11 or noon okay well so you're staying up till four or five and you're waking up at 11 or noon and then in between that time we have a coffee and paint basically yeah okay yeah okay And is there, I assume the people in your life are used to this and are kind of like, we're only going to get him from those times if we need to be in contact with him.

1:03:56Leonard Baby:Yes. But I'm good at, like, I'm not good at, like, off-the-cuff hangouts. That's not happening. But, like, if we plan a dinner in a week, I will, like, really. So you're saying if I just, I just happen to be in Bushwick and I buzz you.

1:04:08Chris Black:Absolutely not. You don't throw the keys down. No, no, no. You're allergic to sporadic.

1:04:11Leonard Baby:It's not happening. Yeah.

1:04:12Chris Black:My phone's dead and, like, yeah. But I just, I don't, okay, but you're, I don't know. I just find that to be, when's the last time you had a real job or a job of any kind?

1:04:23Leonard Baby:I've never worked a day in my life. No, I worked at Metrograph like before COVID.

1:04:28Chris Black:You worked at Metrograph as like a, as a ticket taker? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So you, the last job you had was at a cool guy theater that hasn't been profitable in 10 years. So it wasn't really, it was. So you were able to draw for most of that shift. Exactly. That's what I was, yeah, exactly.

1:04:44Jason Stewart:I would be texting What do you miss about working at a movie theater As a movie lover

1:04:48Leonard Baby:I miss seeing everything It was so fun But like you said That place is run horribly I gotta say something though

1:04:58Chris Black:I went there the other night For a screening of that new HBO show Neighbors And they were like You can take one thing Get a drink and then one piece of candy For the movie I gotta say they were offering us king size candy and that's a very nice, a king size Kit Kat goes a lot further than a regular size. And I just wanted to point that out. I don't understand the programming. It's a little too avant-garde for me, but the candy offerings are right down the middle and the right size. I appreciate that.

1:05:27Leonard Baby:Yeah, you're right about that.

1:05:29Chris Black:I appreciate it. But I don't think a place like that could ever make money, even in New York. It's just too over the top. Totally. Yeah. I mean, you talked about, I also saw that I didn't realize how religious you grew up. What flavor of religion? evangelical christian okay good stuff this is in colorado right that is the good stuff because i grew up baptist which is sort of oh yeah more it's cultural though in the south it's not that extreme yeah but is it good culture no no it's bad culture i just mean it's not like at this point yeah at this point i don't think it's like if my son's gay i'm gonna disown him

1:06:05Leonard Baby:in a major southern city if that makes sense that surprises me but i love to hear that i mean i

1:06:10Chris Black:could be wrong but i just mean i just mean like at least like watching my parents and maybe it's probably due to me exposing them to shit they would definitely have no business being exposed to as my mom listens to this podcast right now hey linda shouts out linda yeah everything's a little more mellow yeah i think because the trump stuff gets so extreme that if you have a brain you're kind of you know what i'm not i don't i'm good like i don't need to go that far 1000 percent

1:06:36Leonard Baby:I think that might have like helped things weirdly. For sure. Yeah. No, that makes a lot of sense. And I think that's happening with a lot of Christians, but with the evangelicals, it was like, they saw Trump and they're like, this is what we've been talking about. This is our guy. Like finally, we're.

1:06:48Chris Black:Were your parents like knocking on doors? No. So they had like normal lives and jobs. This was just their, this is, they didn't, they weren't like in religion as a career. It was just what they were dedicated to when they were not at work.

1:07:00Leonard Baby:No, my dad works for this organization called Focus on the Family, which is like leading like, do you know about it?

1:07:05Jason Stewart:Who says company called like Turning Point or something like that? Yeah, literally. Exactly.

1:07:11Chris Black:Exactly.

1:07:12Jason Stewart:They're doing a lot of important work right now. Yeah, yeah.

1:07:13Chris Black:So he works for Focus on the Family, which is a non-profit? I believe so, yeah. And the idea is to basically stop anything that's not a traditional family? Precisely, yeah.

1:07:23Jason Stewart:So no gay stuff, no abortions.

1:07:26Leonard Baby:Yeah, it's mostly now trans people, no abortions. But yeah, they don't fuck with the gays. So what is your relationship with him now? non-existent.

1:07:37Chris Black:Damn. Okay. So he was like, he didn't soften up when it was his own.

1:07:42Leonard Baby:No.

1:07:43Jason Stewart:He decided to not focus on his family.

1:07:46Leonard Baby:Exactly. Yeah. I will. Ironically. I will go on and like comment on stuff and like, like, I don't know, like not expose him, but like just, just drop my two cents and yeah. You'll stir the pot a little bit?

1:08:00Chris Black:Your sisters are a big part of the work. Are they, did they talk to him? Not really, no. Oh, wow. Wow, okay. Are him and your mom still married? No. Oh, okay. And your mom is team you.

1:08:12Leonard Baby:Yeah, my mom's cool. My mom's cool as hell. But yeah, we're talking about the, I think it's the director of family formations. Hold on, your dad's title, your dad's job title is director of family formations?

1:08:24Chris Black:Yeah, I believe that. It's something like that. That's one of the most fucked up titles I've ever heard.

1:08:29Leonard Baby:But it's like, that's the, you know, like fork found in the kitchen.

1:08:34Chris Black:yeah sure no no definitely i just think when you put like a title on it it's different than like casual i don't know something about it feels no it's more strange for sure damn focus on the family

1:08:45Jason Stewart:has 668 000 followers on ig period that's impressive well now we got to break a million

1:08:52Chris Black:i mean come on that's i know are they verified jason um yeah they got the blue check they got the blue check okay at least they're very at least they're verified that's okay so but do you think he's going to he's aware of what you're doing yeah because it's obviously it's like public facing to some extent i assume your sisters don't do things that are public facing

1:09:12Leonard Baby:correct but you're a twin right yeah yeah i got a twin sister i've got four sisters and like the two younger ones are like like that generation of women is like down for whatever yeah exactly it's like you're not you're not straight you're not gay it's like you're nothing and everything

1:09:27Jason Stewart:You're simply one of God's children.

1:09:29Leonard Baby:Precisely.

1:09:30Jason Stewart:Actually, joking aside, the most recent post on the Focus in the Family Instagram page is a podcast episode, screen grab, just what we're doing right now. And it says, there is no such thing as a gay person. Yeah. You are a person.

1:09:46Leonard Baby:Is it him? Is it my dad? I don't think so. It seems to be a woman. Is he public facing in the organization? Yeah. Very. Yeah. Oh. He was like, back in the day, he was like on, like when, when gay people were like up for debate, like before Obama, he would go on like Dr. Phil and like debate about like, it's, it's really funny.

1:10:08Chris Black:Whoa. Oh, okay. So he's in the front lines, but did you, was there like a conversation, like a breaking point or is it just kind of like clear? We ain't vibing. So I'm going to move on.

1:10:17Leonard Baby:yeah like before there was like a clear conversation about like gay it was like just a constant fight about like barbie dolls or like wearing pink or something and so like okay so that was it was always present but like it was not really ever like explicitly like i'm gay and then like we don't accept you for who you are it was just kind of like he wasn't burning addison Ray CDs. Yeah. Running him over with the... It was just like when Whoopi Goldberg was voicing a cartoon. It was like, turn that off. Turn that off for a

1:10:52Jason Stewart:few reasons, actually. Please turn that off.

1:10:56Chris Black:That's such a... Okay, so how long have him and your mom been divorced? Or separated or whatever? Separated for pretty much my whole life. Oh, okay. He was obviously a presence because he's public-facing, So it's easy to find him, but he wasn't a presence in your day-to-day life. Correct. Yeah.

1:11:13Jason Stewart:I can't wait till you have more followers than him.

1:11:17Chris Black:It's going to happen. That's such an interesting, that's such a crazy. So, okay. So nobody talked. So do you maybe think he sees the irony in the fact that his job is about families and none of his family talks to him? Or you think maybe that's lost on him?

1:11:29Leonard Baby:That's a great question. I think about it all the time, but like we see it very much with like what's happening with the administration right now, like just crazy cognitive dissonance. Yeah, yeah. You know, I mean, it's like the pro-life thing, but they love guns and like want everyone dead. Yeah.

1:11:50Jason Stewart:We're mourning with fireworks. We're making something not about me, about me. It's focusing on the family, not my family.

1:11:57Chris Black:Precisely. Yeah, no, it's just, because I mean, I knew this part of your story a little bit, but I didn't know that he was like a front-facing critic. I thought it was more just like a classic like, oh, my son's gay, hell no. It was like a more serious

1:12:13Leonard Baby:than that. It gets dark, yeah. But I think it's fallen off because like I said, culturally it was debatable, but now there's not really much traction.

1:12:26Jason Stewart:Everyone's got gay people in their family. Everyone's got people who have had abortions in their family. It hits a little closer to home. I think it's hard.

1:12:33Chris Black:I also think it's unavoidable. I think in most, unless it's pretty extreme circles, it would be considered antiquated to be like anti-gay. Right, right. Like I think unless you're in like very specific pockets of the country, that's not cool. Right, totally. Which is, I think at one point, I'm not going to say it was cool, but it was more of like a widely followed trend.

1:12:52Jason Stewart:Yeah, now we got Nicki Minaj with Donald, you know. Right. One of the barbs. She has such a huge gay audience. Are you a barb, by the way, Leo?

1:12:59Chris Black:How did you take that?

1:13:00Leonard Baby:How did you take that? I know it was hard for you. Yeah, it was really hard for me. I mean, I don't really know even how to talk about it. Like, it is fuck Nicki Minaj, but I was a big, big bar. Oh, you were? Okay, so you were actually a bar.

1:13:13Jason Stewart:Do you think you're going to be able to learn how to trust again?

1:13:15Leonard Baby:I don't think so. That list that I said earlier of Alyssa Liu and Luigi, Nicki was on that. Wow. Wow. Okay, Nicki was an all-timer for you.

1:13:24Chris Black:I hate to hear that because I think— Say goodbye to one of your goats. Do you think that the—who has stuck with her is the question?

1:13:31Jason Stewart:Only the most toxic Mac counter employees. yeah yeah yeah okay Leah if you are in Los Angeles your show is up for how long how long can people check it out

1:13:48Leonard Baby:like three weeks I think after tomorrow so tomorrow's the opening but after that it's by appointment but you can make an appointment with Aaron at halfgallery.com

1:13:57Jason Stewart:shout out to halfgallery

1:13:58Chris Black:but is it all sold already you can be honest with us I can't comment on that it's half sold at half gallery all right that's why we love him over there no half you do the other half thank you for joining us it was good to see you and i'm sure we'll see you hopefully

1:14:11Jason Stewart:are you gonna be in the club on thursday leo yeah you guys are doing that grinder event can we can we list you wait chris are you gonna be here for that i was supposed to be i was supposed

1:14:21Chris Black:to come tomorrow but now i'm coming thursday and everything seems to be calmed down at the airport so yeah i'll be there period yeah i'll be there okay it'll be fun we'll hang bring the vape for all right congratulations on the show i can't wait to see it and um thanks for doing this

1:14:35Jason Stewart:thank you so much thanks for having me thank you all right bye