911. - Rachel Zoe

19:07Rachel Zoe:How old were you?

19:07Jason Stewart:I was like 18, 19. Yeah, I was 16. Oh, 16. Wow. But was it designer or no?

19:14Rachel Zoe:It was Nine West in the Short Hills Mall.

19:17Jason Stewart:Wow. They did commission at the mall? Yeah, they did. That's a different time. Yeah, they did. It was a different time back then. Well, where was that mall exactly, Rachel? Short Hills, New Jersey. Short Hills, New Jersey. I know. I think we think of you as such a California chick, but you really are New Jersey.

19:34Rachel Zoe:Yeah, I am. I am probably more New York because my parents didn't really own the fact that they lived in New Jersey and we lived 30 minutes in the city. So my mom, like psychologically and quite literally when we traveled would tell people we lived in New York and I would be like, no, we don't.

19:54Jason Stewart:She couldn't handle it. She couldn't handle the reality.

19:56Rachel Zoe:My mom couldn't handle it because they are New Yorkers, both of them. And then when I left for college, literally when I was 17, they moved back to the city. And then I don't think I've been to New Jersey since, really.

20:08Jason Stewart:I mean, why would you?

20:10Rachel Zoe:And so, yeah, I think we always thought of ourselves. And then I lived in New York after that. So for about 11 years or so before I moved to LA. So I really was in the best decade of my life, hands down, was my decade in the city after college.

20:26Jason Stewart:I bet you were turning the fuck up. What was going on in that decade exactly? If you could just give us some high points.

20:32Rachel Zoe:Let me tell you something. No pun intended. This is how long of a pod? Are we an hour?

20:38Jason Stewart:We need dates. But this is sort of our sweet spot. What were the hot spots during your heyday in New York?

20:46Rachel Zoe:My first hot spot, which is so, when I think about what went on there, it was like so iconic. It was called Cafe de Boc.

20:55Jason Stewart:Yeah, yeah.

20:56Rachel Zoe:And so first it was Cafe de Boc and that was like Kate Moss and Johnny Depp and Christy you know, like every supermodel, every, every, everyone that was anyone. And it was sort of like, if you could get in there, you, that was all you needed. Right. Like it was so, it was small, really small. And then, so it was Cafe de Boc, Tabac and Merck Bar and Spy and Wax. And then it was Moomba and Bungalow 8.

21:22Jason Stewart:club names no matter how many times i've heard them they always give me a wax is just such a

21:28Rachel Zoe:it's just i know but it was so good i've never heard of wax moomba i've heard of and of course bungalow eight was the hey moomba and bungalow eight were basically like the studio 54 they weren't clubs they weren't dance clubs but it was in for all intents and purposes i think signified the exclusivity and the era i mean let's put it this way when moomba closed i moved to la I was like and see we're done

21:55Jason Stewart:I've had enough so you're at LAX at customs what are you here for? Moomba closed

22:02Rachel Zoe:I'm sorry it's the end of an era I'm sorry we're done here now there's nothing left for me here

22:10Jason Stewart:so what exactly was so magical about club Moomba that once that closed it really was the end of an era I can tell you Jason she was 25 hot and could get in. That's all. That's it. She was hot and can get in anywhere. Why Moomba though? But is there, yeah, is Moomba, is there something special I guess about Moomba? It was because I couldn't get into Moomba.

22:33Rachel Zoe:Well, so it was on, it was 7th between 10th and Charles and I lived on 666 Greenwich Street and then I lived at 95 Horatio. So it was like five minutes from my house. but it was all you needed to do because for me, because I was meeting, I was just working, right? So I was on set every day shooting some celebrity or pop star or whatever. And I would just know that on any night of the week, seven nights a week, I could go to Moomba and find all my friends. And there was a guy named, is a guy named Jeff Gossett, who was the owner. And it was not a dance club at all it was small it was a restaurant um downstairs and then upstairs was the lounge okay and um literally i knew every single person there on any given night honestly um even sundays you could be there till four or five in the morning um and it was everyone from mark ronson and the ronsons and and and whatever to bono madonna like it didn't matter like i was by far in a way the least famous least whatever did he was there all kinds of celebs and everyone and it was exclusive i mean they didn't but but yet it felt like family if you were inside does that

23:58Jason Stewart:make sense two questions of course were you assisting or were you working on your own then i know i was on my own i wouldn't i went freelance i've worked for myself since i was 25 okay i went out on my own at 25 and what was the in let's say mumba heyday what was the look uh honestly it's

24:15Rachel Zoe:it's not that different than i than i am now my style truly my style like not it's funny because i actually recently have been wearing things that i'm like when was the last time i wore this jacket and i'm like jesus it was probably like 2000 like i mean literally 20 years ago i mean yeah yeah yeah So big jewelry, big, you know, big gold vintage.

24:40Jason Stewart:You're like, so you're basically saying I've been doing this shit is what you're saying.

24:43Rachel Zoe:To be honest, like for better, for worse, like I'm almost embarrassed to say, like, I don't know that I've changed that much. I think that's a testament to your staying power.

24:50Jason Stewart:Yeah, you have a, you're a uniform dresser, but your uniform is a little less Steve Jobs and a little more. Less black turtleneck and 501s and more fur and gold. More fur, gold, skinny jeans, heels.

25:03Rachel Zoe:You guys, my sister FaceTimed me. She's in New York. So she FaceTimed me yesterday and I dropped my son off at school. And so I got home around eight. She goes, are you okay? I go, what? She goes, what are you wearing? I said, what do you mean? She goes, are you in a fur and a smoky eye right now? And I was like, yeah, why? She's like, what time is it? I was like 802 and she was like are you okay she goes I go why are you so what you're my sister

25:38Jason Stewart:you really you've really been seeing this shit you really been don't act like you're new to this

25:43Rachel Zoe:that's what I'm saying like why are you confused why are you asking me this question it sounds

25:47Jason Stewart:like she's jealous that you're so fabulous and she's still got the aloe set on aloe would be

25:52Rachel Zoe:the good news on my sister at 8 a.m like my sister does not my sister is like step in the right

25:59Jason Stewart:direction okay we'll break down yeah what's your sister like how early does this smoky eye go on though like what the fuck like do we not can anybody see what yeah what time is the tracy

26:10Rachel Zoe:anderson and when does the smoky eye happen i love that you think i do tracy anderson i love you for that that's really that's like a really high compliment by the way i feel like you're the kind of person who's never worked out yeah i wish i dream of it and when i do funny enough I do call my friend Tracy Anderson and be like, hey, do you have a great girl who just wants to ring my doorbell and make me do something in 30 minutes or less? Because that's the only way that I'm going to do it, right?

26:41Jason Stewart:So you're up at 6 a.m. with the kids. Do they see you without a smoky eye? You can be honest.

26:46Rachel Zoe:Not often, truthfully. Not often. And wait, my sister is calling right now. Should I answer it? Sure, sure. let's get an outfit check from sis wait pammy i'm literally talking about you which is so funny that's why you're calling um i'm on a podcast right now i can't talk but um i was just talking about how you facetimed me yesterday and i was in a fur and a smoky eye and you were like yeah are you okay and they were like they were like well what's your sister wearing i'm like uh they're like she's probably an aloe i'm like that would be the good news actually yeah i'm still in my her pajamas.

27:20Jason Stewart:Okay. Okay.

27:21Rachel Zoe:Okay. Okay. I love you. I'll call you after. Bye.

27:24Jason Stewart:I'm glad that you haven't rubbed off on her at all, though. That's nice.

27:27Rachel Zoe:No, not honestly, not at all.

27:29Jason Stewart:The commitment to the smoky. I don't I don't know what the process of a smoky eye is.

27:33Rachel Zoe:Okay. So I'm going to tell you full disclosure.

27:35Jason Stewart:Okay.

27:36Rachel Zoe:Very often the smoky eye at 6 a.m. is the one from the night before. Sometimes it's the night before and sometimes it's a photo shoot that happened the day before that I just slept in my eye makeup.

27:49Jason Stewart:Are you in promo mode for Real Housewives right now? Is that what's going on?

27:53Rachel Zoe:I am in everything mode. I am in, I am in like, we shot the show for three months intensely and then kind of no one gave me the memo that this doesn't end until like the reunion. So like I've been shooting confessionals each week more or less. And then also, yes, doing promotions since like before Christmas. And so just doing different photo shoots and whatever. And then I was just in New York for fashion week, but also doing like today's show and all that kind of stuff.

28:29Jason Stewart:But then what I like about you, as far as the house, usually the housewives have to figure out what businesses to start. Once they have the eyeballs, you already have the businesses. You're good. You're reverse engineered being a house. You can go buy all my shit everywhere. You already shop. I don't have to, you don't have to write a book. You don't have to do any of this shit. I, you know,

28:45Rachel Zoe:you know there's no one less impressed by themselves than me so i i feel like i always

28:51Jason Stewart:have stuff to do you know no that's a that's a good way to be i agree but i mean i think that going back on tv especially this kind of tv because i read our friend max wrote the story

29:00Rachel Zoe:about you oh my god he's so great we had so much fun i can he's great by the way i cannot believe i mean i don't know if he told you this i think we spent like an hour and a half together well you would have thought we spent like three days together yeah those days are over in the journalism world they don't you ain't giving us three days you know well also by the way i mean i i i've lived long enough where i did many of those and and and those can go either way they can be really

29:26Jason Stewart:scary too so yeah for sure it's too much access but i just i thought what was interesting about it that i never thought about was that you were the executive producer of your show and you had like final say and andy andy was like sorry but you're gonna you're gonna see it when you see it you're gonna see what the rest of us you'll have a say but not i have no say i have literally no

29:48Rachel Zoe:say quite literally no say when you see it i see it like i don't and not just that how about this what has dawned on me is you know they'll they'll send it to me like a day or two in advance so just so that i can sort of mentally prepare i don't even know if it's mentally prepare as much as it's while I'm doing press know what I'm talking about. Right. But it's very hard for me to,

30:13Jason Stewart:they're like, we don't give a fuck how you are mentally. We just need you to talk about the right shit.

30:16Rachel Zoe:By the way. Yeah.

30:18Jason Stewart:By the way, this week you're an alcoholic. Just wanted to remind you. Okay.

30:22Rachel Zoe:You guys like quite literally, I mean, it's like my life is a blur in and of itself, but I think to even know what I said, you know, last July is I don't know. So when I do watch it, it's sort of like I it's it's hard for me to watch and I'm I'm a little bit like you know my team will have it on in the background just so that I can sort of hear it and I'll be like tell me is like how bad is it oh my god I cried that's so embarrassing like the other I mean you've been

30:54Jason Stewart:in LA for a long time and what I know that who did you know who did you not know no one's really friends you know what I mean but every once in a while a couple people have happened to know each other for a really long time just from being around yeah is what it feels like you also have

31:09Rachel Zoe:to remember i'd never seen the show not an episode that's cool of any county housewife of any county so i don't watch any reality television she's like well i mean i saw ohio but otherwise no haven't seen it no haven't literally haven't seen anything and i think i think part of that was having done my own show for so long and having been so immersed in that um and having been an executive producer having lived it having seen it i didn't watch my last show once it aired like once once i reviewed the cuts and stuff like i had never watched it on television yeah um i i live

31:46Jason Stewart:with myself i don't i never understand people yeah i mean i wouldn't want to see that either

31:50Rachel Zoe:oh it's just i'll cash the checks i don't need to watch it yeah it's it's hard so so i think that but then i think having been on the other side of it i didn't mean to over the last decade than sort of watch other worlds of it, right? Yeah, yeah. But I also think, to be honest, there's so many people in my life I respect that follow these shows like...

32:13Jason Stewart:Thank you. I know we just met, but I'm glad to hear that you respect me like that. That's really, that's big for me.

32:18Rachel Zoe:Listen, I have to tell you, a big part of why I signed on to do it ultimately was because some of my closest girlfriends and some of the most badass successful women that I respect, not only in business, but as mothers and as people, are so obsessed with this show. And they were like, oh, no, no, you're doing it. And I was like, ooh. And I understand why now. I think that it is an escape for people and it is an escape to lose their minds in other people's lives, right? But I think for me, when I watch it now And I think this episode that's airing actually tonight, my heart was really broken because Erica really talks about an experience that she has.

33:06Rachel Zoe:And I'm like, I'm so upset that I like shot with her this whole time and didn't really know because when when you don't shoot certain things with people. Right. Like I didn't shoot with some of the women a lot of the time. Sure. You know, and if I don't see these cuts, like I don't I didn't know that I didn't I didn't know. she talked about this like i would have wanted to be there for her you know um yeah yeah but but to your to answer your question i did not know erica or dory i knew bows a little bit because she had been on my podcast um i knew bows a little um i knew kathy very well but she's more a friend she's not like gone on all the time yeah what do they what do they call them what do they call it's I think it's a main cast versus a friend.

33:56Jason Stewart:The friend is a good place to be, I feel like. You show up a couple times. You have a glass of white wine. You get a couple one-liners in, and you head out. I would love to do that.

34:04Rachel Zoe:It's like being an aunt versus a mother. You can kind of show up for just the good stuff and peace out when you want to.

34:13Jason Stewart:Yeah, the fun stuff. Okay, so you guys are going to do a diaper thing. I'm going to head out, so really good to see you guys.

34:18Rachel Zoe:They're going to have a meltdown. I'm just going to exit right now. You can handle that. You got that, right?

34:23Jason Stewart:Right before we started recording, you mentioned that you recently joined the DJ community a little bit.

34:29Rachel Zoe:Yes. Can we talk about that? I'm not a DJ. I am just surrounded by them. But I find that my new single life.

34:39Jason Stewart:Don't tell me Diplo DMed. You got to be careful with that. Have you had sex with Diplo yet? Have you had sex with Diplo?

34:43Rachel Zoe:No. No, but Diplo's great. Do you want to?

34:47Jason Stewart:No.

34:47Rachel Zoe:no no no but um but i have really gotten i've really immersed myself in this world it's kind of fun where um there's so many great djs out there that i'm enjoying i mean listen i have a lot of friends who are in it like paris and and i mean i don't forget like i came up like dj am used to do my birthday parties like mark ronson was doing every big event when when i was in my 20s that we were a part of um and watching his success has been a just an absolute oh yeah that has been so incredible to watch what mark ronson has done and become um he deserves he deserves

35:31Jason Stewart:every bit of it yeah he he used to just be the cutest guy in the 90s and now he you know he's got all these grammys and he wrote the book he's been on our show before a couple of times he's a

35:41Rachel Zoe:great guy first of all mark is one of the nicest guys and there's nothing i love more than watching good things happen to good people and also people that have worked their fucking asses off pardon my french but to get to where they are and and turn it into what they have but also just the whole community now you know of like you know jama how she owns like surf lodge and snow lodge and that whole thing and palm tree festivals and you know all of these things the rise festival Coachella. Okay, Rachel,

36:14Jason Stewart:are you dipping your toe into the Burning Man kind of Illuminati a little bit? It sounds Illuminati. It sounds very Illuminati.

36:21Rachel Zoe:No, no, no. I think, you know, I did Rise this year. That was fun.

36:25Jason Stewart:Okay. Is it Molly or is it Ketamine? There's two paths. Rachel, just hold on one second. I'm going to ask Jason if he could describe to me a layman what Rise Festival is, and you can chime in after. I actually, let me check here really quick. Rise Festival. How is it spelled?

36:44Rachel Zoe:Rise was Rufus Dissold. Did Rise. L-P-B-O-G.

36:48Jason Stewart:It's just R-I-S-E. Chris, it's the world's largest Sky Lantern Festival.

36:52Rachel Zoe:By the way, that was transformative. The Sky Lantern Festival, let me tell you, I have it on my Instagram. You can scroll back.

36:59Jason Stewart:That's the answer, Jason. Molly, that's the answer. So hold on. Okay. So where was this festival? Where is it? Where does the Rise Festival take place? They're dead right now.

37:09Rachel Zoe:Thank you. where

37:13Jason Stewart:I'm looking it up. I'm looking at that.

37:16Rachel Zoe:Rives was in the Mojave Desert outside of Vegas, like 30 minutes outside of Vegas.

37:20Jason Stewart:Calvin Harris, John, there's, oh, John Mayer and Goose.

37:24Rachel Zoe:Riffus DeSalle did Friday night the lantern, the lantern ceremony. Honestly, I had no expectation of that lantern ceremony and I have to tell you it was one of the most transformative things I've ever done. Who DJ,

37:37Jason Stewart:does somebody DJ during the lantern ceremony or is that a separate?

37:40Rachel Zoe:Yes. Someone did. I can't remember who it was, but somebody did. The first night was the craziest wind sandstorm ever. Like, Rufus didn't go on, I don't think, until midnight because they had to wait until the winds died down a little bit.

37:53Jason Stewart:Doesn't it piss you off that Rufus DeSoul's three guys? It pisses me off. It's confusing. It's confusing. It feels like it's one guy, but it's three guys. They're really good.

38:02Rachel Zoe:But I have to say that the whole DJ thing, I have not done Burning Man because I just don't think I could survive it. I just don't think I could.

38:11Jason Stewart:Because at this festival, at Rise Festival, you were staying in one of your suites at the Wynn. Yeah, yeah. First off.

38:16Rachel Zoe:Yeah. I mean, I did it fancy. I did. But listen, it was one of the most civilized festivals that I've been to. Yeah, yeah. But listen, like now, you know, Brian Goldberg, who does Nylon, I mean, these Nylon parties, they have like Sophie Tucker and Bondish and like, you know, I mean, there's the whole, it's the whole thing now.

38:36Jason Stewart:Okay, but are you saying to us, because you're alluding to the fact that you might be looking for love in the DJ community, am I going too far with that? Or is that a fair thing to say? Rich guys go to those parties now.

38:48Rachel Zoe:I don't know that I'm looking for love in the DJ community. I think that I have a lot of friends that are in it. And I have my kind of New York City friend group follows a lot of it. And we kind of, you know, in the places we go, like Aspen and Hamptons and St. Bart's and now, you know, with Palm Tree Festival and like, you know, there's a lot of events that are now built around the DJ community.

39:19Jason Stewart:It's a global network where you can go anytime. Yeah. Just like Freeze Art Week or Art Basel or whatever.

39:27Rachel Zoe:100%. But I will say this. It's pretty crazy. I would say now from when I first learned about it, it was just like at Coachella and it was at Zenyara after the festival and whatever. But now it's like it's like literally every week around the world, around the world.

39:43Jason Stewart:OK, how often how often are you going out?

39:46Rachel Zoe:Me? Yeah. Wow. Well, it depends, you know, like so I'll be at Coachella. I'll probably go a few nights and I'll probably, I'll go out three nights, three out of three. Right. But like, you know, but, but during, like when I'm at home, when I'm at home, like I'm not, I mean, I'll go out.

40:06Jason Stewart:When you're in LA, you're not really going out. You're saying you make a weekend of it.

40:10Rachel Zoe:I go in waves.

40:11Jason Stewart:Yeah. Yeah.

40:11Rachel Zoe:I go in waves. Like truthfully, like I just got back from a whirlwind in New York and then Miami and we went, we, we had fun. And so I've been back now for a week. I have not gone out in a week.

40:24Jason Stewart:You have to pick your battles as we get older. That's true. When you travel, when is this, and I don't mean to get into something so serious, but when is the last time that you didn't check a bag?

40:37Rachel Zoe:Check a bag?

40:39Jason Stewart:Yeah. When's the last time you did carry on only?

40:41Rachel Zoe:I don't do carry on.

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42:42Rachel Zoe:I've done it once or twice when I had to do like an appearance in like Dallas and I was going for like less than 24 hours and I had to wear one thing and whatever, but my shoes take up my carry-on. Like two pairs of shoes take up the carry-on. So we're going to New York

43:01Jason Stewart:for a week. What is it, what is the bellhop looking like at the Greenwich? He's pissed. It's not cute. Like, yeah, I mean.

43:10Rachel Zoe:It's excessive. In the day, I mean, like when I was going to Paris for Fashion Week and stuff, I mean, I've gone as far as like 14 big 30-inch suitcases. So I'm. Hold on, 14 suitcases. But this is for yourself.

43:22Jason Stewart:This isn't clients. This is you.

43:24Rachel Zoe:Oh, no, no. This was for me when I was like filming the show or like whatever. And when, but, but, but now it's not. The most I'm taking for me now, the most, honestly, is 430 inch. Okay.

43:39Jason Stewart:430s. The most. The 430s.

43:42Rachel Zoe:That is max. That's max though. I try to keep it to two or three.

43:45Jason Stewart:Is this stuff already on hangers or no?

43:47Rachel Zoe:Yeah. Always on hangers. There we go. There we go. I can't function if it's not on hangers. That gives me a panic attack. So hold on.

43:52Jason Stewart:You're saying you pack, this is a stylus trait where you pack it.

43:56Rachel Zoe:Thin velvet hangers.

43:58Jason Stewart:Sure. So nothing moves once they're up.

44:00Rachel Zoe:Well, it's also time saving when you get out. When you get to the hotel, you just go like pull it right out. And everything's in a garment bag.

44:10Jason Stewart:Wow, okay. Do we have a labeling system as well?

44:13Rachel Zoe:No, I'm not that crazy. I do that for clients. Like when I was styling, I would do it for clients, but not for me because I'm too frenetic and change. You know, I change my mind too much. So let's say you and I are going to dinner. Yeah. Are we on a date?

44:29Jason Stewart:It feels like it. No, I'm not saying that. It's 8 o 'clock. San Vicente Bungalows. We got a spot for you at the table tonight, Rachel. 7.30 tonight. Okay. SVB. What time do you start getting ready for a 7.30 reservation? Oh, 6.30. Okay. So we only need an hour for home. Math. Well, that's because you already woke up with the makeup on from last night. Yeah, yeah.

44:48Rachel Zoe:Like at that point, I have my 7 a.m. makeup and I'm touching it up. I'm probably putting another like 20 minutes on and then I'm grabbing like one of my uniforms, like a like a fur coat and a pair of black suede pants and heels and and i'm good okay so we're

45:04Jason Stewart:out the door you know it's gonna work you don't have to think about it yeah totally that's easy

45:08Rachel Zoe:you don't have to text a photo different than event dressing different than like i'm doing a

45:12Jason Stewart:right carpet situation but you're you're you're low maintenance is what you're saying uh i think

45:17Rachel Zoe:if i said that someone would bomb my house no i don't think i can say the people that are in it

45:21Jason Stewart:right now would vomit i think okay um on the on the stylist topic i'm gonna do a stylist fuck mary kill celebrity editorial and commercial okay wait say that again fuck mary kill uh-huh celebrity styling like personal styling for a celeb editorial for a magazine or something and then you know commercial for the uh you know the facebook super bowl ad or whatever a lot of pros

45:50Rachel Zoe:and cons you know editorial no money i know but editorial is mary because that was my happiest creativity okay and where i made no money where i probably lost money but i was the happiest like i would literally like you would see me on a peter limbergh photo shoot like styling couture on a supermodel on the beach and i probably lost money on that job for sure yeah and probably aged quite a bit on that job but like but also just beaming like literally beaming you know is it is

46:22Jason Stewart:are you beaming because like oh my god this is amazing i'm doing exactly what i want or are you thinking like yeah i can't wait to have these images that i've dreamed in my head i'm thinking

46:31Rachel Zoe:i'm living my dream i can't believe i'm doing this right now and that was just peter lindbergh just imagine you know what i mean imagine so yeah commercial shoots that i made the most on were

46:43Jason Stewart:were the lead i was like well so we would kill we would kill the commercial and we would fuck

46:48Rachel Zoe:the commercial yeah exactly exactly yeah sure 100 it all makes sense to me actually yeah 100

46:57Jason Stewart:yeah but i mean i think that there's a so i i was reading a little bit obviously jason and i were around for this era because i think we're we're relatively the same age you know what i mean so it's like we were around for the heyday. But I guess that the thing now where like Justin and Haley don't leave the house without an outfit that they've put on on a hanger. Yeah. That was sort of new when you were doing it for like Lindsay Lohan and the paparazzi.

47:23Rachel Zoe:I mean, I started doing that because I felt like, I felt like if you are going to work this hard to look this epic when you do a carpet, why would you then roll out of bed to the same amount of press that were going to appear in tabloids and everywhere else, why do you not care about that? And it's okay if you don't. I think it's cool. But they did care, some of them. And so then they would come to me and be like, look how they got me. Look how they found me. Look at this picture of me, whatever. And I was like, okay, so let's take 10 minutes and do something cute. Let's do something that that looks like you, but like a little, a little more.

48:10Rachel Zoe:Yeah. Considered.

48:11Jason Stewart:Considered. Yes.

48:12Rachel Zoe:And, and, and I just felt that way about like, when you travel, why do you have to look like you're in bed? Like, I don't understand like why there has to be like some gray area between looking like, you know, you got ready for six hours by professionals, you know, versus what you are in your downtime and all of them were so gorgeous they're so beautiful it was like why don't get me

48:38Jason Stewart:started on the low hand heyday now we could do another hour listen why are you wearing the the free people sweats to toast brunch or something like that you're throwing it all away it's it's the destruction of the middle class of fashion all we have is red carpet or pajamas there's nothing else left in the middle bro not toast damn you just pulled out toast didn't you i pulled out

49:00Rachel Zoe:to us you might as well pull out newsroom in the ivy too oh i used to love that newsroom juice bar

49:06Jason Stewart:man oh my god so good back when robertson was robertson am i right robertson was not a ghost town i feel like yeah i feel like you did more for robertson than fucking kitson the city of los angeles honestly you're the fuck but i mean what is that was this is like i remember going to the airport and like i would buy star and fucking us weekly uh-huh and there was a couple other star was my favorite because it was a little more salacious it wasn't yeah us weekly

49:35Rachel Zoe:was like corporate i never looked at star that was like traumatic for me star was bad boy shit bad boy shit it was like us and what was the other one i'm not thinking life and style life

49:45Jason Stewart:and style that's what it was that's it god but of those so those did you have after after a little while you had to know these photographers at a certain point you're seeing them all the time

49:55Rachel Zoe:you know i didn't really because it's more civilized now even though there's yeah places to put the images there was a few nice ones you know that would be like hey rachel like or like when i had sky they would back off you know if i if i asked them like guys come on i

50:14Jason Stewart:have my baby i've always wanted to say that's my favorite not tonight guys i'm with my family That's the classic. Yeah. That's what I'm like.

50:21Rachel Zoe:But here's the thing about that. Ultimately, that's what made me step out of it because it got really scary. Like they were, when I had Sky, they were like chasing me down the alleyways, you know, right around my house. I was living in the Beverly Hills Flats and I would walk, you know, with the stroller into town just to like get a coffee or whatever. and and you know those moments where they're chasing you and jumping out from behind your cars and just as like someone who's like a small yeah brawl you know and i had my baby it was just very that got scary and that's when i that's when i was like okay this is not this isn't this isn't

51:01Jason Stewart:okay do you think that's pretty much over now unless it's like i i feel like that era was a five six year window where it was really really intense i think there's rules i think there's

51:11Rachel Zoe:laws around it now and i think they can't i think they're not allowed to show certain age children

51:18Jason Stewart:now i think yeah children i think well i think you can choose i mean like even daily mail blurs children's faces yeah they would just do whatever yeah and i remember one photographer stood outside

51:28Rachel Zoe:this um uh like this stretch on beverly one time and i had sky he was just born and i was holding him and there's so many like flashes and they came in this door and i remember this photographer being like if i don't go back with this picture i'm gonna be fired and i was like shit i was like i was like i'm literally no one like i don't understand why this is like and that scared the hell out of me and and i remember in that moment being like yeah this has to stop now you know like I have to I have to take a beat yeah you know this is um this is getting scary you know and because it just as a girl like it just I hate to sound like that but it's like I imagine if you're like a big dad like carrying a child you feel a little safer yeah when it's like when it's 30 guys in Range Rovers going 110 miles an hour yes yes and that was happening I was I was driving and I was like what how do I stop this like how do I where do I turn you know wait a second i'm in dark i'm in back out yeah if i can't go down an alley where can i go you're

52:37Jason Stewart:like am i famous enough for a police escort i don't know no is there a number i call i'm a

52:42Rachel Zoe:freaking stylist people like this is i'm not madonna what is going on no i think i think that

52:48Jason Stewart:it has changed and it's calmed down but unless there's certain levels of celebrity where the rule like if you know taylor swift pops out or you know tom cruise is riding his motorcycle out of you know, Sunset Tower, Valet, like all, you know, people, it goes back to the old days of guys jumping out of trees and just, you know, risking their life.

53:07Rachel Zoe:But I also think that I think the bigger thing now is that because of social media, they don't need that picture. The power isn't there. The power's not there. You're going to put up a better one.

53:18Jason Stewart:800 people got the same photo. So yeah, Selena Gomez has, you know, a billion followers on Instagram. What picture, what do you got, bro? I mean, but the thing is, I think I feel like the only point or a lot of it then was sort of like to see someone drunk. Right. Or to see them doing something bad.

53:37Rachel Zoe:Yes, yes, yes.

53:37Jason Stewart:And I think that was what made it fun, quote unquote, for everybody is it was like, oh, is that coke on her nose? You know, like, oh, this is crazy. And it was.

53:47Rachel Zoe:And a lot of times it was.

53:49Jason Stewart:Because now it's just sort of like, oh, yeah, it's Jacob Elordi looking really hot leaving a restaurant after having a tea. like it's not really there's yeah it's like it's not really much to go with i mean you want to see his clothes i guess he's so cute yeah no shit rachel he's yeah he's really cute yeah who actually not while that we're on that topic let's who who are some now that you're a single woman who are we who are the loins boiling for yeah what are the who are we looking at what's what's the age

54:16Rachel Zoe:cut off though real talk real talk what's the age cut off um it cannot have a two in front of it okay

54:22Jason Stewart:Okay. Okay. That's pretty good. That's okay. I think that's reasonable. So three and up. Sure. Okay. Yeah, because I think men would say there can't be a one in front of it. So it's big of you. It's big of you. Jesus Christ. Not any guys that we would hang out with.

54:37Rachel Zoe:I'm raising two young boys, right? So my son is turning 15.

54:42Jason Stewart:So if anybody wants to get into your life, they got to be the dad that stepped up as well. They can't just -

54:47Rachel Zoe:He doesn't have to have kids. He doesn't have to have kids, but like -

54:50Jason Stewart:He can't be in the same grade as your son is what you're saying.

54:53Rachel Zoe:I mean, Jesus Christ, you guys. Oh my God.

54:58Jason Stewart:So what's your son? Does your son think you're cool or does he think like, does he not get it?

55:03Rachel Zoe:You know, I think my son thinks I'm cool now. He does think I'm cool. I think because I think there was this moment when he was in seventh grade. So I have one in sixth and one in ninth. You know, I'm so close with them. I don't try to be cool around them at all. Like I don't try to say their things they say. Like the other day I was like, oh my God, you guys, I'm crashing out. They're like, mom. I was like, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to like, try to sound like crashing out. But I actually really was crashing out. I was like, oh my God, I'm like overstimulated. My head's going to implode. But I think because I'm so close with like his friends and his like friends that are girls.

55:42Rachel Zoe:Hold on. So hold on.

55:43Jason Stewart:So big skies bring in chicks back to the house. Well, like no door closed. I bet no door closed. No door closed.

55:50Rachel Zoe:yet no but i am like friends with his guy friends and also friends with his girl friends that friends that are girls sure they'll like come and hang out with me so i think that you ain't got i know

56:00Jason Stewart:you ain't got no snacks in that house so what the fuck i have so many snacks i have more food

56:04Rachel Zoe:and more snacks than any house you've ever been in there there are two full massive drawers with organized snacks in bins all the time, full. And if they're not full, I have a panic attack.

56:20Jason Stewart:Okay, what area of snacks is your specialty?

56:23Rachel Zoe:All, salty snacks.

56:26Jason Stewart:Okay, salty sweet candy?

56:27Rachel Zoe:No, no candy and everything's organic.

56:30Jason Stewart:Of course.

56:31Rachel Zoe:And there is dark chocolate. There's dark chocolate.

56:34Jason Stewart:Sure, sure.

56:34Rachel Zoe:But there's a lot of salty snacks.

56:36Jason Stewart:It's actually good for you. But you're getting the Whole Foods, the Erewhon version of maybe a childhood classic.

56:41Rachel Zoe:Billion percent. There are no chemical-filled snacks in my house.

56:47Jason Stewart:Maybe a gluten-free peanut butter pretzel, something like that. Sure.

56:51Rachel Zoe:But sure. Like the Quinn one, sure. Yeah, Quinn. Yeah, sure. But, you know, I'll be honest. My kids don't love peanut butter. I try to force it on them. They don't. It's weird.

57:01Jason Stewart:They're like, Mom, we're allergic. Stop. Stop being such a little pussy. Why is your tongue so big, loser?

57:06Rachel Zoe:Sky did slip recently and said, like, yeah, Mom, you're the cool mom. My friends think you're a cool mom. Oh, wow.

57:14Jason Stewart:I thought you were going to say he had a spoonful of peanut butter. I was like, uh-oh. I'm going to get this guy in rehab.

57:19Rachel Zoe:No, I do give them protein smoothies and slip a little almond butter, peanut butter situation in there.

57:23Jason Stewart:Is he trying to bulk up a little bit?

57:26Rachel Zoe:Yeah, he is trying to bulk up. He is.

57:28Jason Stewart:Really? Yeah. Is he a member of the Manosphere? Is he watching people stream and hit their face with hammers? I can't. To get more snatched cheekbones?

57:37Rachel Zoe:I mean, I got to tell you, there's no world that I ever thought by having two boys that they were going to have any interest or knowledge of the anatomy of the face. That is something because in our era, guys were like.

58:01Jason Stewart:Guys didn't even use soap to wash their face.

58:03Rachel Zoe:Forget that. They didn't look in the mirror. Must be nice. I have no more Tom Ford cologne all my Tom Fords are gone yeah cause I know that young guys are really into fragrance

58:13Jason Stewart:that's like a big thing

58:14Rachel Zoe:I can't I have none left my kids are I have no Tom Ford left anything that is designer or androgynous like or unisex or whatever is he trying to tap into your chrome hearts

58:28Jason Stewart:or has he resisted that

58:29Rachel Zoe:I have no chrome hearts left he's got all the chrome

58:32Jason Stewart:okay is your son a heady boy a what boy heady boy it's like what does that mean like heady slumont oh yeah yes and also

58:44Rachel Zoe:here's the thing they okay so it's wild because like they'll be like mom like do you know rick owens or like do you are like mom do you ever own anything with rick owens i'm like i have a whole section in my archive of Rick Owens. And I let him put on one of my Rick Owens leather jackets and Margiela. All these designers are like, it's wild. And the founders of Chrome Hearts, Laurie and Richard, are friends of mine for 20 years. I mean, Laurie's a really close friend. And the fact that I'm friends with her actually made me cool. And so when we went to see lori at chrome in saint bart's i mean my kids were like like starstruck and i'm like they let

59:39Jason Stewart:them buy a beanie because like they were meeting drake or something like that oh no no literally and you're like i've known this lady forever what's going on i mean quite literally i met

59:47Rachel Zoe:lori when i was getting leather pants for like enrique iglesias

59:54Jason Stewart:i always forget what he was he was hot back then very hot he's still hot he looks good yes

1:00:00Rachel Zoe:he looks honestly enrique is beautiful but he's also he is such an elegant kind soul he's he's like as good looking as he is he is kind and he is also just such a boy like he's like a baseball hat and a hoodie yeah like that's it must be nice yeah he doesn't need the extra shit that's why he

1:00:21Jason Stewart:does not need any extra but i always forget because i think you're you're so well known for women that there was there was so much work with men too oh i styled a lot of i mean the first part

1:00:29Rachel Zoe:of my career was styling you know male supermodels um actors i mean ashton kutcher i met he was one of the first guys i ever styled and i met him when he was um doing the calvin ads like i met i met him

1:00:43Jason Stewart:so young he was doing like early like ysl shows and stuff like that as well yeah i mean ashton's

1:00:50Rachel Zoe:always been good looking he's always been nice he's always been he needs a stylist he needs a

1:00:55Jason Stewart:stylist right now so maybe you could step in i mean ashton's good i do not worry about ashton

1:01:00Rachel Zoe:he is and i love his wife mila she's amazing they're great and he's so successful i mean he's such a success story not only as an actor but honestly as like an investor entrepreneur i mean he's he's brilliant it's crazy yeah it's crazy it's it's amazing it's amazing to watch people that I've known for so long, like that either started as an actor or musician or a model, you know, become these like incredible, successful entrepreneurs, founders, investors, you know.

1:01:33Jason Stewart:Well, do you think of yourself as like a business person now?

1:01:35Rachel Zoe:I am a business person. Yeah, I agree. I mean, first, probably first and foremost, I mean, like I started my life as a stylist and I, and everything I do in my career is through the lens of a stylist. You know, it's always going to be what is visually stimulating and beautiful, but also anything that pertains to building the brand and sort of the message, the common thread throughout of really helping women and help men to really live, you know, their best lives in the most. Yes, filled with style, of course, but also helping particularly women find their footing in building brands and business, you know, confidence, finding their style, finding, you know, their own path and journey to where they can and should be, you know, and really trying to come from a place of, I don't want to say teaching, but really just trying to help women learn from, you know, mistakes I've made along the way.

1:02:41Jason Stewart:You haven't made any mistakes. Don't do that.

1:02:43Rachel Zoe:I've made so many mistakes. People say that to me all the time.

1:02:46Jason Stewart:I was joking. I was joking.

1:02:48Rachel Zoe:People say that to me all the time. They're like, they're like, you've never tripped up. I'm like, are you okay? I've tripped over myself more times than I haven't. But like, you know, I try to really take, you know, my youngest son always drops these little nuggets of wisdom at, you know, age 12. You know, you either win or you learn you know comparison is joy motherfucker Deepak Chopra what the hell yeah by

1:03:13Jason Stewart:the way yeah Jay Shetty ass all right good for him that is nice okay well um I wanted to um my

1:03:22Rachel Zoe:my wife is a wardrobe stylist as well oh wow amazing do you know the actual hell of it I know

1:03:29Jason Stewart:I know I know a good amount about how this whole world works do you have any advice for dating a stylist who might have a similar personality type as yours, Rachel. I think I'm good. We're married and we have a beautiful relationship. But could you figure out a way to make Jason not five minutes late because he's got to pack boxes? Is that anything you can do?

1:03:50Rachel Zoe:How long have you been together?

1:03:52Jason Stewart:We've been together probably like eight, nine years, been married for two and a half.

1:03:56Rachel Zoe:And how long has she been a stylist?

1:03:58Jason Stewart:She's been a stylist, maybe like 15 years.

1:04:02Rachel Zoe:wow okay so you were born into this you you you met her in this so you know she was already sleeping and rolling racks in boxes and stuff okay i get it yeah yeah i work from home so i'm

1:04:14Jason Stewart:shipping and receiving the boxes come in so you're basically yeah you're you're shipping and receiving okay i understand but more so i mean like the personality type because you are you know you are producers also we are you know at the end of the day and you have management and you have your your team and your assistants and it's so much it's a special personality it is a special

1:04:35Rachel Zoe:personality and it's a job that you have to love with every inch of your being because it's too much work to do if you don't love it because you'll just hate everything if you don't love it it's exhaustive and and and very thankless at times and um but if you love what you're doing it is important for you to try and separate when her work is done and your work is done to take time for you that is not related to that because otherwise you find yourself immersed in boxes and clothes and fedex and rolling racks jason if worldnet calls after 8 p.m you just

1:05:19Jason Stewart:can't pick it up i don't care how important it is but by the way you better answer that

1:05:23Rachel Zoe:fucking call or you're not going to have what you need like you are at the mercy of world nut and

1:05:28Jason Stewart:fedex you got to keep the fridge stocked you know this is all this is all light stuff bro just some snacks i think is the biggest takeaway i would say to help snacks when did when's the last time you

1:05:38Rachel Zoe:didn't drive an suv me yeah uh god never i've had big i've had big cars and suvs since since yeah

1:05:49Jason Stewart:you have no choice that's the other thing i think is interesting is that you kind of have to have a big car it's part of the job in LA hauling those trunks well I think I think it's all worth it from a business standpoint at the end of the day all this hard work and working for free and you know the hours and the stress and the anxiety because everything's a write-off right but it is

1:06:08Rachel Zoe:but it is very important that she and you kind of I think look at what you do as more than a service you're providing and try to have something tangible that you can have ownership in um or invest in so that if god forbid a dog that goes away um you know this is the this is the business person speaking that you have have a product have a product have a product it's why every hairstylist has a brand why every makeup artist has a brand why you know design why why stylists start you know it doesn't have to be clothing it could be anything um it could literally be anything give you an organic food company it doesn't matter but just something something that

1:06:55Jason Stewart:will make money while you're asleep where you know mailbox money once the hands are arthritic

1:07:01Rachel Zoe:and can no longer pull that and also like if god forbid there's a world shutdown again yeah another world because let me tell you something i'll tell you you know who suffered you know who suffered

1:07:11Jason Stewart:during the shutdown? Stylus. That's who I was thinking about first and foremost.

1:07:15Rachel Zoe:Yeah, stylus, hair, makeup. They literally, I had people, my very close friends that are the most successful stylists in the world like now. I mean, they didn't work. There was not a job to be had. There was not a dollar to be made.

1:07:29Jason Stewart:And it was good for me because I produced all the podcasts for all those bitches for those six months when they all were like, I guess I'm going to do a podcast now. Yep, true. It's funny you say that because, I mean, maybe you didn't do this, but I kept my team. I did my hair and makeup every day at my house to keep them employed during the pandemic.

1:07:46Rachel Zoe:You want to know what I did to go back to the smoky eye question? I had a cat eye every single day in COVID.

1:07:52Jason Stewart:I bet you did. I bet you were going off. Just a smoky COVID eye.

1:07:56Rachel Zoe:I did. I just didn't really care. I was like, I got to look at myself right now, and I'm not ready to see myself.

1:08:02Jason Stewart:Yeah, I still look at the reflection. As we wrap up, I think our female listeners would be upset if we didn't ask you about your hair.

1:08:09Rachel Zoe:My hair?

1:08:10Jason Stewart:And kind of what goes into it.

1:08:11Rachel Zoe:because I know it's one of your more iconic part of your look.

1:08:16Jason Stewart:Obviously, the clothes can change. The first can change. The goal can change. The hair has been very consistent, I would say, for most of the time.

1:08:22Rachel Zoe:I think that my hair, weirdly, is the lowest maintenance thing for me because it is an actual part of me. It is like my curtain. It's like sunglasses for me. It just is a constant.

1:08:34Jason Stewart:So we're confirming that it's real. We are confirming it's real.

1:08:37Rachel Zoe:My hair is real? I mean, most of my hair is real. in some way okay that's good enough i'm gonna say most of my hair is real i have i i play with um extensions for like fullness yeah sometimes we got to beef up depending on what's going on well well also the other part of that is that my my hair especially because of all the shooting that i've been doing especially over the last few years with the show and press and stuff it's like I'm constantly, you know, in my, in my not shooting life, I'll just like wash my hair, let it dry naturally, put a lot of like product in it, like from Olaplex to. Well, that was my next question.

1:09:19Jason Stewart:What's the shampoo conditioner routine?

1:09:21Rachel Zoe:I use a lot of different, but I, I do love Olaplex. I love Olaplex products. I love ColorWow.

1:09:29Jason Stewart:ColorWow.

1:09:30Rachel Zoe:Great hair product because there's no residue. There's no buildup. So I do love that. I love Barbara Sturm hair care.

1:09:36Jason Stewart:I didn't know Sturm had hair. She does. Damn. My wallet, my pockets ain't deep enough for that.

1:09:42Rachel Zoe:Yeah, well, I have her whole skincare line too. I mean, it's intense. I mean, the stuff gets expensive, but it's great. It's great. The good stuff is great and worth it. You know, you got to kind of take care of it.

1:09:52Jason Stewart:Couldn't agree more. That's why I look 25 and I'm 43. What's the nighttime routine? Do we braid it? Is there a silk do-rag? Yeah, silk do-rag.

1:10:02Rachel Zoe:there's something really funny about you guys asking hair questions. I'm not going to lie. I love it. It's really making me laugh. Okay. So here's my deal. If I, so in the summer, especially I will wash my hair like twice a week. Okay. You know, I call it the big shower, right? Where you like have to do the whole thing. The everything shower. A friend of mine goes, are you going in for the mermaid shower? I'm like, yeah, I'm doing a mermaid shower.

1:10:29Jason Stewart:I'll call you two hours. I'm going in. See you on the other side. Yeah.

1:10:31Rachel Zoe:By the way, I'm not joking. I will text and be like, be back in two hours.

1:10:36Jason Stewart:Like a doctor going in for surgery.

1:10:38Rachel Zoe:Literally, it's such a thing. And it's like, you know, you do your mask and you do the whole thing. But yeah, so I'll do all the things where I'll do like a good shampoo, deep conditioner, hair mask, and then come out and then I'll braid it. I'll braid it or I'll do like a bun, like a knot. but typically I'll do like two or three braids and just let it dry in the braids and then I got

1:11:06Jason Stewart:like a wave and I'll get a natural wave my wife does the same thing I I like to if I don't have

1:11:11Rachel Zoe:to if I if I don't have to dry my hair I will not dry my hair I will I will always let it air dry

1:11:18Jason Stewart:yeah I let mine air dry too I let mine you know you're annoying because you don't have to do anything it is annoying well I get a haircut every week which is kind of annoying in itself you know what i mean because you want to keep it clean right but but that's not as annoying as spending thousands of dollars on products and having to do that's just it's just honestly like

1:11:36Rachel Zoe:our it's just it's just so much to be us it's just being a girl in this world is so much hey we love

1:11:42Jason Stewart:you guys for it we love you guys for it thank you and when we're done with all this big press run and all these media thingies we want a nice vacay for you okay thank you very much i know you're going to

1:11:52Rachel Zoe:Cabo I know you're going I mean if I could dream a dream well I will be in Aspen um when this is all over and then maybe St. Bart's would be amazing but that would be the chance can you

1:12:02Jason Stewart:actually ski or you just there for the opera I don't know I'm a skier but I I'm a skier since

1:12:07Rachel Zoe:I'm four my dad made sure my sister and I were were skiers we we never went to beach vacations only skiing my whole life um but we uh but now I probably wouldn't ski now as a mom um I do it with the boys when they ask me to, but I could easily do a weekend Aspen and not touch the slopes. I don't need to. I just, to be honest, I just don't want to get hurt. I know that sounds crazy. I don't know. I don't either. I could ski black diamonds all day long, but like getting, getting hurt for me right now would be just so bad for my kids. And so that scares me.

1:12:41Jason Stewart:What a great story. What a great storyline. You got to get perks from Dorit. I could see it now. This is a good, this is good. I see something here. We can't have a full leg cast for six months right now. There's too much going on. We can't.

1:12:53Rachel Zoe:No, I can't. I say to my kids, I know you want me to ski with you, but if I get hurt, you have no mom.

1:12:58Jason Stewart:That's a good way to look at it.

1:13:00Rachel Zoe:They're like, but still come mom. Whatever you say.

1:13:02Jason Stewart:All right. Okay, really quick. Last question, then we're going to let you go. The Met Gala theme this year is fashion is art.

1:13:10Rachel Zoe:Oh my God. This is the best theme that I have seen for the Met in like forever. This is one of my favorite themes they've ever done.

1:13:21Jason Stewart:Because it's so open to interpretation.

1:13:23Rachel Zoe:I mean, this is the dream. I mean, this is literally like, I mean, McQueen, Saint Laurent, like the Modigliani Prince. Like, I mean, forget it. It's like, this is literally the absolute dream theme. As a stylist, I honestly want to come out of styling retirement to dress as many people as possible for this.

1:13:46Jason Stewart:Okay, Jacob Elordi, if you're listening, send a DM. Oh, my God. Rachel will style you. No, but we're making – you have to leave the room when he changes, though. We're not letting you get a free show. We're not letting you get a free show. That's what the assistants are for. That's what the assistants are for. Sorry, we can't let you do that.

1:14:00Rachel Zoe:I mean, guys, I styled Brad Pitt. I styled a lot of boys. Yeah, those moments are rough. I'm not going to lie. yeah that's not so rough when you're you gotta go

1:14:12Jason Stewart:uh Brad I'll just turn around then um I'll just turn around my wife's really going through it with Somber lately she's really in hell right now

1:14:21Rachel Zoe:Somber is that the one dating Jesse Joe Stark

1:14:24Jason Stewart:no that's that's uh um no that's that's that's young blood

1:14:29Rachel Zoe:young blood sorry I'm not okay

1:14:32Jason Stewart:but yeah Rachel thank you so much and honor talking to you it was a blast

1:14:35Rachel Zoe:Of course, you guys. This was fun. It was great.

1:14:37Jason Stewart:Thank you so much. We'll see you soon.

1:14:38Rachel Zoe:Bye. Bye.