919. - Nicole Richie

27:02From a trusted source. Always, always test your starter with a starter strip. I have heard that people get it online. So you can get your starter on the dark web if you want, but it's nicer to know it comes from a good, loving home, is what you're saying.

27:14Jason Stewart:You could also get it from like an influencer hot chick on her fake TikTok web store, you know what I mean? Oh. Yeah, but that doesn't feel as good. No, no, no. You want to have like a rustic thousand-year-old starter from like an old Scottish man from the 1800s kind of thing. It was nice. And he said, I'm on my way to work. Can you meet at the mall? And I did. And he gave it to me. So you had a parking lot drop like it was a Facebook marketplace sale? Yes. Wow. Yeah. And I was like, I said, okay. I said, I'm parked on the side. I'm in a black car. And we met and did the handoff. So do I Venmo you?

27:50Jason Stewart:So you had to get home from New Orleans to feed your starter. The starter's in the fridge. So the starter is starving currently. You guys were more important. Oh, wow. Okay. For the two days a week that you're not cooking, are we going out? Are we ordering Goop Kitchen in? A little bit of both? What's the move? I do like to go out. Yeah. I order in. Okay. Yeah. I think I do all of those things. We're going out. We're ordering in. You know what? It's fucked up, Jason, but I like both going out and ordering in. If you can believe it. If you can believe it. Now that you say that, I kind of feel the same way as well, you guys.

28:27I actually, as a New Yorker, I have to say that the, I've really tried to become a pickup guy because the diminishing returns of delivery have gotten, have gone to the point, I don't care about the ethics of it. It's about the time and the effort involved. It's just not, it doesn't work the same way. I would rather spend the time myself to go pick it up. Hoof it. That I can wholeheartedly say I do not do. Well, you can't do that in your - But it sounds nice. You can't do that in a gated community in the hills or whatever. It's like -

28:57Jason Stewart:Yeah, Chris lives in New York City. He goes out, walks around the corner, picks up his vegetarian pho, goes back upstairs. Comes home. Love is Blind season 14 and boom. For you, it's not so easy. Well, it's season 10 just finished. And I know, Nicole, you watch it, right? I do not, but I can pretend I do. All right, diva. Okay. I got two divas here. I got two divas here. No, it's okay. You know, I fly to Van Nuys and I don't watch Love is Blind. This is my... Yeah, Chris, we're kind of above that kind of peasant stuff, but have fun watching it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just, I'm too, I'm too good for it, but that sounds really cute.

29:30I like that because we're talking to someone who literally was part of the original wave of that genre of television. So that makes it even better.

29:36Jason Stewart:Well, now she's an invited guest at literary fairs in New Orleans. So it's a little different, Chris. That's true. That is different. I'm simply too good for it. I did watch the first season during COVID and that was fun. Maybe I'll get back in. It's a show that people are now saying is like ethically wrong, you know, because none of them, basically none of the marriages work out is the problem. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, no shit. That's not really the point. It's like entertainment. But people, there's some blowback. You know, people like to get mad about stuff like that. I don't have any strong feelings about it.

30:04If you told me you should watch it, I would turn it on tonight. Well, how much TV are you watching? I watch, when I'm locked into a show, then I'm just locked in. But I'm not like always jumping on the current shows. My favorite show in the world, hands down, hands down, is Breaking Bad. And that is my like cozy show. I've probably seen the whole thing start to finish 10 times. Wow. And if I have a cold, then I'll watch it and go to sleep.

30:38Jason Stewart:So whenever you have COVID, you can do the whole entire, boom, knock the whole thing out. Jason, you haven't seen that show, have you? I haven't seen that show. I've seen probably half of it. I don't know. You must. Just never clicked with me that much. Let me tell you something. the first episode i did not like and it took me a few times to get in it's brown the house is like not it's just the color palette is not there and like it's just not exciting oh you're saying the overall tone of the program is brown like the the just like the show is brown and he's eating turkey bacon and it's just like not albuquerque i get it it's not don draper having a martini and getting his dick sucked.

31:18Yes. It's not like sexy like that, but it gets there. It gets there and it is hands down the best show on the planet.

31:27Jason Stewart:Yeah. Things really start heating up once they get the car wash business in place. Then things get really sexy, right? Yeah. It's very sexy. It's a very sexy show. I know, but this is not an unpopular opinion. A lot of people would agree with you. Very popular show. Yeah. A lot of people would agree. No, I don't think I'm niche. I'm just saying like I will re-watch that show more like if someone was like, Have you seen, I don't know, what's the hottest show right now? Love Story? Love Story. I actually am watching that, so that's a bad example. I think contractually as a woman, I think it's biological that you watch Love Story.

32:01I feel like there's no choice. It's wonderful, yeah. See, I watched the first episode and then I kind of lost interest. But I do, you know, the craziest, did we talk about this, Jason? The actress, like her team photoshopped her hair blonde. Yeah, we did. to get her the role and I saw her with dark hair and it freaked me the fuck out. It's a completely different person. Same. I just saw a photo of her like two days ago with brown hair and I thought it was AI. I thought it was fake. It's crazy. It's crazy. I was like, I can't believe that she even thought that she could play Carolyn Bissette. I couldn't believe it.

32:33Jason Stewart:The power of casting directors. I was like, wow, I can't believe you have that vision. And she's, and she's, and it looks, she's gorgeous. She's beyond. We agree on this show. It's a rare time, Jason and I agree. We would both have sex with her. Oh, cool. That was super cool. Super cool. You're like, you know what? Me too. Fuck it. All right, let's do it. I saw her shining at the Oscars, and I saw your dad shining at the Oscars this year as well. Is that correct? He was at the Oscars, yes. I did not watch the Oscars. Okay. I'm too good for Love is Blind and too good for the Oscars. I didn't watch the Oscars.

33:11Slash, I was just trying to get home. I didn't watch the Oscars either, and I do feel I'm a big award show person. That's one of my favorite things. Okay. I'll watch any. I'll watch any. I mean, I don't want to watch the Directors Guild Awards, but I'm saying I'll go pretty deep, you know, and I felt weird missing it. I was in Switzerland. The time, the time was so fucked up. I couldn't, there was no way. So I was just.

33:29Jason Stewart:And we've already moved on from it. There's no reason to go back and rewatch. No, you can't rewatch an award show. It's crazy. My wife, who's a wardrobe stylist, she said that your dad's tux was quote unquote flawless on him. Oh, cool. So pass that on up the flagpole. I'm going to text L-Train as soon as we're done. Hey. You call your dad L-Train? Yeah. What a name. What else would I call him? Lionel Richie. I have a nickname for my dad, too. I mean, it's different, obviously, because no one knows who he is, but I still have a nickname for him. What is it? His name is Gary, so we'll hit him with a Gero.

34:04You know, a Gare-O. It's a pretty, it's not in the same, it's not dissimilar from L-Train. Yeah, it's a little more. I think it's pretty similar, actually. I think it's in the same.

34:13Jason Stewart:It's a little more fraternity, I think. Did he give himself the L train name or was that bestowed to him? I don't know. I mean, his college friends and my mom, they call him Skeet. And I don't know why. I've never asked. Don't ask. It's best that you don't. Yeah. Agreed. You've gone this long. You're probably fine not knowing. Yeah. No, I feel like it's dangerous to know at this point. That's really funny. Okay. Yeah. That's really funny. When I was watching the Oscars, there was a part where they had the K-pop demon hunters performing. And then they had all the Stellan Skarsgårds and Leo DiCaprio and all these famous actors.

34:54Jason Stewart:And they got a wave around this K-pop flashlight stick. Were your kids ever into some bullshit like that? Hold on. Whatever, five, six years ago? I can't imagine Leonardo DiCaprio doing that. I don't know if he was, but I mean, it appeared that the whole entire audience of these dignified actors, they're waving the stick around like they're at a fucking... Oh, God. But you, I'm assuming your kids, because of you and their father, were steered in the right direction musically and culturally? Or did they have a couple speed bumps along the way? What do you mean? Like, were they into some bullshit ever?

35:30Yeah. Okay. They're teens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I think that we, I forget that the K-pop Demon Hunters thing is something that has not ever, I've never heard it. Like, I've never heard it. I've never, I've only seen it on award shows. I've never actually heard it or seen it. Because it's for children. But it feels like it doesn't exist to me in some ways. And then it pops up in the largest stages in the world. Do you want to know a childhood trauma that I have that I have not ever gotten over? I feel like you probably have a lot, but if you want to start here, that's fine. Yeah, I'll just, I'm going to say one.

36:01Chapter one. Chapter one. I really wanted to go to Tower Records and get Biz Markie's tape Just a Friend, was that the song? Yeah, Just a Friend You're 26 years old, so I don't know how you were but whatever, I guess we'll figure it out I'm 26 times 2

36:21Jason Stewart:You're younger than me but that feels old head, I will say so impressive I'm 44, how old are you? I'm like one year older than you All three of us are Virgos I'm 43. You're 43. You're 44. I'm 45. And we're all Virgos. Whoa. I did not know that. Okay, wait. And we're all into tatted up emo guys too. When is your birthday? I'm September 4th. September 14th. My son is the 9th. We're all Virgo queens. That's so special. Wait, what is your birthday? You said your son's. September 21st. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I'm the very last when everyone is so sick of Virgos and they're like, I cannot listen to one more Virgo say it's Virgo season.

37:03Then I pop up. Well, to be fair, I don't think I've ever said it's Virgo season. Maybe I've said it in jest, but I guess it still counts. You should.

37:11Jason Stewart:Chris and I are not super astrological, if you could imagine. We don't have as many crystals on our Shopify as you do. How many times? What kind of healers have you seen in your life, Nicole? I've seen many. I have seen many. She has healed. You grew up in LA, so you don't really have a choice. But I mean, are we saying like, how far are you willing to go? If we're, if, if classic therapist is one. I am not a current in my adult stage. I'm not like a current healer seeker. Like I'm not like looking for a guru to change my life, but I did grow up. If, if someone was thinking about LA and, and they said, oh, I'm sure that they grew up with psychics and astrologers are in their house.

37:54I did. But my parents were friends with astrologers and all the things. And yeah. I think astrology for some reason, I don't participate, but I'm okay with it. The other stuff is a little too far for me. The palm reader. I'm not even saying like this isn't being a Virgo queen is not even like I don't think you need to care about actually any other signs or care about astrology period. like I think it's just more I just love my Virgo-ness and I love my birthday and I think that you should too okay so do you have are you a are you a birthday queen like you have a big party every year and it's all it's about you is it a week long we don't we don't love our birthday

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41:18So a few years ago, after my 40th, I stopped throwing myself a birthday party because I just feel like it's silly. So my friend Cleo and I, who's also a Virgo, we throw a party together called Virgo Fest. And I think you guys should both come because all Virgos get a headband and it says Virgo Queen. Need one. And you need to be there.

41:42Jason Stewart:Virgo Fest sounds like something that happens in Atlanta, if you know what I mean. Exactly. It would be an honor to go to Virgo Fest. Well, you have to come. And by the way, we celebrate. Is it black tie or can I just wear a regular? You wear your Virgo Queen cape. Okay, whatever I deem necessary for the evening. My armor. It changes every year. And I also, our cake has every Virgo we can think of on the cake. So we're not just celebrating. It's like we put all of the Virgos on the cake. We got Beyonce front and center on there, I'm sure. Famed Virgo. Hold on. Hold on. When you say put them on there, am I going to see like a cartoon of Emmy Winehouse's face or like her name?

42:24Her face. Oh, wow. Okay. And your face. Okay. My face as well. Yes. Can I ask, is it a collage style? Like, how do you fit these faces on the cake? It's a collage style, yes. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

42:38Jason Stewart:That's, I mean, that's... That's for the people at Sweet Lady Jane to figure out, Chris. Don't you worry about it. Yeah, that's... I'm flying to Van Nuys. Don't ask me the details. You're like, I don't get the weeds. I'm just telling you what it looks like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't be silly. How many people attend this festival? Obviously, non-Virgos are... It's Virgos and the people that love them are invited. Non-Virgos are invited, but it's more just to worship us as Virgos. So, like, you would love it. You would love it. Everyone would fawn over you and adore you. Okay. Yeah, that sounds great for me.

43:08I need a little bit of that in my life. I would say. Maybe a little gift bag would be nice. What is your most memorable birthday? I have one that is not really fit for air myself. Same. Same. Okay, okay. Yeah. I just want to make sure because I mean I'm I'm I'm working on a book and I had to get into it the other day and I was like wow I was talking to a friend that I hadn't talked to in a long time and he was sort of retelling what happened and I had maybe missed some of the good parts I'll say and I was shocked that that is how I chose to celebrate that's all I that's all I can say I just I mean it felt like I celebrated and then I celebrated like a lot you know what I mean maybe a little too much celebration

43:54Jason Stewart:in those special years that we've all had, you know, sometimes not every occasion is a reason to have a blowout party. You know, it's funny how you find a way like, St. Patrick's Day, I'm going to go on a four-day bender. And you're like, you're not even Irish. You don't even know what, you know, flag day, bitch. Let's buy it. Let's get a bag. I have been, wait, is it St. Patrick's Day today? It's today, right? Yeah, it is. Okay, you guys, technically my last name is Madden. And so I'm offended that you have not wished me a happy St. Patrick's Day. Oh, wow. From the Madden clan. I'm sure they're celebrating.

44:28I mean, I'm sure you're going to have some green mashed potatoes tonight. Yeah. I actually, well, I guess I'm not wearing any green, so I'll pinch myself. I have green eyes. That is not, do not do that. My walls are green. Does that count? I don't know. It works every time. Yeah, it does. No, you're very St. Patrick's Day. Actually, I do have green on. I have a, yeah, actually, I didn't even think about that. That's nice. I got nothing. That's nice.

44:46Jason Stewart:And green, I look good in green, too. It's a shame. Wow, I really don't. Okay, so you guys are going to have some corned beef and boiled cabbage for supper tonight? Yeah. Okay, good. I can tell that. What's your diet looking like? Do you have a twisted diet or are you pretty normal? I love all the foods. I love everything. Okay, so you're open to it all. You're not restricting yourself. Like I don't eat orange or something. I do eat oranges, yeah. I don't mean oranges. I mean the color. You know what I mean? Oh, like I don't eat the color orange? Remember when people were like, what was it? It was like, I don't eat purple foods or I only eat purple foods.

45:23This was a thing. This was like a whole.

45:25Jason Stewart:Or some people are like, no white sauces at all. They're repulsed by it. You know what I mean? Nothing creamy. I'm kind of repulsed by that. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't search for something creamy. That's not exciting to me. But if it called for it. You don't seem like a mayonnaise lover. No, I don't like mayonnaise. I really don't like mayonnaise. Gross. You must have had a tough time down there with the po 'boys. And I don't love cheese. You don't love cheese? No. Wow. And it started out, it was a vanity thing because dairy, I have rosacea, and so dairy will inflame my face. And then I just became, like, not excited about it.

46:05But, however, after our cute spelling bee, Jason, did you have those Smashburgers outside? There was a truck outside.

46:14Jason Stewart:I did have one. And I had a smash burger and I haven't stopped thinking about it. Oh, really? Name the smash. This was a smash burger that had cheese on it as well, right? It had cheese on it, yeah. So that's basically what I was getting at is like, will I have a cheeseburger? Yes. And if you said, do you want a grilled cheese? I would say yes. So maybe I do like cheese. Okay. Certain cheeses. I kind of understand what you're saying because I'm not really interested in like a cheese plate. You know what I mean? That doesn't really do much for me. No, that's disgusting. Yeah. The burger place is called L.A.

46:47Jason Stewart:Berg. They pop up sometimes in front of McCall's Butcher Shop in Atwater Village, is how I know them. But it's a smash burger with a little chili in it. Well, it was my first time, and it was excellent. Yeah, it was good. So shout out to, what are they called? L.A. Berg or La Berg. I'm not exactly sure. I'm pretty sure it's L.A. Yeah, but these are Mexican fools, and their fonts are in Old English. Don't test me. It's a wild guess.

47:17i have so much fun at that spelling bee and it's because of that that i'm doing this podcast do you guys know this is my second podcast ever well i was it was funny because i was i was talking to

47:29Jason Stewart:jacob i was like i'm sometimes when we have a guest on i'll go pull up their name on my apple podcast and listen to some recent episodes see where their head's at see where their level of you know sense of humor and a level of being offended is so i can get a feel for it and there was not really anything there's just thousands of episodes where other people talk about you but you were not on there other than call her daddy well let me tell you i'm offended just regardless so we can cover that we can get that out of the way i'm offended what are you offended by um and no i'm not i don't i don't know i've just decided that i am look i get it i get it sister but no i'm not on the podcast i'm not on the podcast circuit which makes this more special and amazing that you are taking the time to chat with us because i just figured that you know because we're no call her daddy yeah i assumed you had had a pot you know dear media had written you a check for a 10 up you know at some point you know what i mean you'd done your own is what i would have assumed um yeah sophia so i think we all have sophia rossi in common and she said basically she just said to me you need to go on this podcast these guys are great i've talked to sophia about this before this is like two years in the making we're trying to get you to do our show in la and that didn't work like live yeah but i it's not not i'm not like being difficult i just like i i haven't done no it's cool it wasn't like an active no i just haven't done it and i will say to be fair you guys you guys are two straight men i mean i can't you are right yeah I know that you are Jason but I can't imagine talking to two men for an hour I'm like what is that what does that mean you don't hang out with besides your husband and his brother you don't have any straight guys in the clique actually there aren't family members it's girls and gays only so this is a healthy dose of some straight man energy that you need.

49:32Jason Stewart:It's like when you need just a little bit of a vaccine so you're able to survive straight guys in the world. Yeah, like this is cool. I'm having a nice time, surprisingly. Yeah. This is actually super cool. This is actually... Despite everything, against all odds. Despite everything. Yeah, I mean, we're carrying a nation of straight men on our shoulders trying to show the rest of the world that one percent of us are somewhat tolerable no i'm not going to do that nicole men are back and you need to fucking be on notice okay clearly no like i'm on board look at me i'm with call her daddies there we go and having the time unfortunately that might stick yeah do you do you do you listen or or now the as the kids say watch any pot do you consume any though no you're just reading books i'm watching tv i'm listening to music like that's the thing like this is was not like an active no i just i'm not like i'm just and sophia was like do it and she's my best friend and i was like okay and we had such a good time at the b that really sealed the deal you know we did although you're very tall so that was a little scary but because you're you're you're small i'm 5 '1 okay yeah that's okay well you know i'm not gonna hurt you physically or anything like that but my my presence in the room can be a lot, you know?

50:55Yeah, yeah.

50:56Jason Stewart:Thank you for your strength. Mostly when you open your mouth, it has nothing to do with the physical stuff. I thought you did a good job spelling, by the way. I mean, we were all a little worried and nervous. Oh, for me or just in general? No, no, no. For everyone in general, except for the guy that won it. He seemed to be pretty confident. Nerd. By the way, you could ask me to spell cat and in front of an audience, like sometimes you just freeze in those moments. But it was very fun. Yeah. I also think none of us knew or I didn't. I didn't really know what I was walking into. I didn't have a visual.

51:27Yeah. I had a great time. To be clear, though, Jason did beat you, right? Yeah. Did you?

51:36Jason Stewart:Did you win? I got second place. Cool. I should have won, but I got Les Boutons instead of Lamborghini. I got in my head about it. It was tough. Yeah, you get in your head when you're on the spot like that. People yell out words and answers in the audience, and you get confused who said that. Well, that's some – I think Substack cheaped out on security then because we're not – you shouldn't have people yelling in the audience. That's a – I agree. That's distracting to the people on stage. Take down that potential threat. I would pause, and I was kind of looking for – I just wanted someone to magically tell me a letter that I should be saying, and I was looking around for someone to help me.

52:16and no one did. You're saying you were searching for eye contact in hopes that someone would maybe cheat a little. Would be like. Yeah. Yeah. And you can. Yeah. Give me a little wink. Yeah. And that wink I would magically know was a C. You should have. You could have planted someone for this if you were really thinking ahead. But I guess, you know, people don't want to be part of a cheating scandal. Yeah. But next time I would cheat if I got asked back. I would cheat.

52:37Jason Stewart:Just hire one of your smartest friends. Get a little earpiece. Tuck it behind the hair. Yeah. Feed me the answers to you. No problem. Yeah. you could hide you could hide an earpiece no problem yeah cheating's cool i agree i agree well um actually on the subject of transgressions like that were you ever a shoplifter i was never a shoplifter but i did um one time steal remember pogs of course unfortunately yes i think we are the exact demo for the hawaiian flip cap game so there was a pog store on um barrington in la in Brentwood and I stole a pog. So I'm, I'm admitting and I'm sorry. I bet whoever owned the pog store in Brentwood probably made a lot of money in those three years.

53:23So I'm sorry. Do you remember what cut?

53:25Jason Stewart:Was it a slammer? It was a, it was a slammer. Yes. It better be a slammer. Do you remember what kind of slammer it was? I don't, I don't. I actually didn't even remember slammer until you said it and it's making me happy. To be fair, to be fair, slammer's worth a little jail time at least. You know, it's like if it was just a regular piece of cardboard it's like you know whatever but if you did a month in Brentwood County I did a month for stealing the OJ Simpson slammer going down I remember those were popular at the time that was one of the greatest that's one of the greatest trends to coming that is I think our I guess Beanie Babies was ours too but there was more money in that but I feel like Pogs that was an unbelievable like one year and then it was completely over yeah like going back to what you said about like do your kids listen to bad music or whatever like do they do silly things like we all do like we everyone has a craze everyone's got some bad something bad that they're listening to oh wait can i go back to my childhood trauma and tell you my cute little story sure so i wanted to please get biz marquis tape oh yes yes just a friend.

54:30The Tower Records on Sunset Boulevard. Yes. So I asked my parents to drive me to Tower Records and I went in and I got the tape and I got back in the car and I sat in the back seat and my parents said, oh, let's listen to what you bought. And I played it and I'm sure they were just having the same conversation that we would have now as adults, like, oh this music these kids lol you know some version of that but in my childhood brain my parents were laughing at me and making fun of me for my music and i cried in the back seat and i was really upset so i will not shame my kids for something that they're that's a good that's a good lesson or that they were when they were little so they're like this shit is trash nicole get the shit out of my cassette deck yeah and by the way it wasn't because we all know that song yeah i agree it's stuck in our heads it's iconic that's that's uh it's a classic i i wouldn't i don't think i ever wanted to hear it but it's a classic if that makes sense yeah it's like one of those that's embedded but i'm glad that you've used your trauma for good and you've turned the ship around yeah i have i will never do what my parents did to me break the cycle nicole i'm breaking the cycle the music that i played my parents were like what are you like what what is wrong with you it wasn't like it was like what's why is this why are you so mad like why are you worshiping satan kind of vibe you know right right right or why are you such a bitch when you would

55:59Jason Stewart:like mix it up the slayer with the elliot smith or whatever yeah well yeah my parents they still think i'm a bitch don't worry about that that's still that's still part of the black yeah do you do you and your husband ever do you guys bond over musical tastes now more than when you first started dating do we bond more over music now just like as as the years have passed have you have have your musical tastes sort of found each other since i'm assuming you were both coming from different places when you first linked up how much yeah i don't know how much misfits you were listening to you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah i think so yes like i he has introduced me to and you know he listens to a lot of indie music as well that was that's not a genre that i'm well-versed in.

56:43I listen to a lot of classic rock, but his dad grew up listening to a lot of classic rock. When you say classic rock, you're like a foreigner or Led Zeppelin? Zeppelin.

56:54Jason Stewart:Okay. So no bitch shit. Just some real fucking, some Leonard Skinner maybe? Leonard Skinner, yes. I'm more like 60s, 70s. Okay. Like Laurel Canyon? No, no, The Doors. I love The Doors, but I'm not listening to The Doors in my car, but like the turtles um okay guys i also love britney spears yeah of course i love pop music like i love pop music i love nina simone is my favorite singer i play nina simone pandora in my house all day long i was i was hoping you're gonna be like you know what he really turned me on taking back sunday and they're kind of my favorite band now so i i left nina simone in the dust this is bullshit nina all day is good it's really hard to beat nina simone nina all day is good on the soul.

57:41Well, I hate to ask this question, but is it Pandora? Is it the paid version or is it the version with ads? It's the paid version. However, a few years ago, I had something happen. I don't know what happened. And I all of a sudden started getting ads. And I just did not know how to fix it. No matter what, I could not fix it. And it was like I kept when I when I had friends over, I kept finding myself like announcing that I don't know how to fix it I was like ashamed as you should be I mean that is it feels like you're in like a restaurant that's going out of business if you hear the Pandora yeah yeah but oh Pandora come to think of it now I don't get out somebody figured out somebody yeah somebody figured yeah I was I was I was in Van Nuys but they but someone handled that for me okay speaking of the house

58:28Jason Stewart:they just found out who they just unmasked the artist Banksy did you guys ever have any Banksy like artwork in the crib yes yes we did yeah okay yeah any any actual banksies no just stuff adjacent to yeah what is it okay it's not the it's not the guy from massive attack right no it's not just some random guy it's just some some guy okay but you know so what do you have in the house i'm my my husband really is the art guy in the house um i am not and my parents a joel question it's a it's a it's a dual question yeah got it okay yeah i'll send him a dm yeah ask him i wanted to ask you about that tv show that you did in 2018 because it was really good okay which which one great news i love that show so much but i feel like a lot of people liked it i feel like it was kind of a thing we had the best people were very happy with but people were particularly happy with you oh that's because i think it was a surprise you know what i mean i think people were like oh this is actually so cool we didn't know that she was into that we didn't know she did this and i just feel like how long how long did it last though it was pretty quick it was two seasons yeah okay yeah we were all we were all so sad we were so sad or do you guys know tracy wigfield at all no okay she's i feel like she she's very funny and feels energetically like she would be friends with you guys but um okay it was her show and she created it her and tina fay and it was the best.

59:59Did they call you specifically for this? Were you guys friends? No, I auditioned for it. Damn, okay. You said I got out the mud like the regular people. I like that. Yeah, I was in those streets. Are you still auditioning? I audition sometimes and sometimes not.

1:00:17Jason Stewart:Wow, okay. I've never saw great news and I'm ashamed to say I didn't even know about it. I'm sorry. No, it was like a thing because I remember reading about it and the whole thing was like, and you know what? Honestly, Nicole Richie kills it. That was like the whole - Oh, that's so nice. Breakout performance from Nicole Richie. That was like the, that was like sort of the main hook to the press. That's so nice. I didn't know. Thank you. You're the Kylie Jenner of the moment, if that makes any sense to you. What's the current moment? The moment, it's a Charlie XCX movie that came out a few months ago.

1:00:51Jason Stewart:Oh, yes, yes, yes. And Kylie has like a little random two minute cameo in it and everyone is like out of all these actors she was she kind of gave the best performance or like left the longest impression you know oh so cool so you're a Kylie kind of okay I'm gonna watch great news it's good it's good I just I think you can still watch it right I guess you can watch everything now I'm gonna buy it on Amazon yeah give those guys a couple shekels yeah I'm sure you got some good back end on that one I think I think they need it I'm sure you got some good back but what do you what do you want to be doing did you like doing that because it was a challenge or is that like what you actually wanted to be doing i love acting i love doing comedy i love it so much well what about podcasting um you're a good you're a comedic talker you're a funny person you're jovial you do it from home in your pajamas make a little side cash get all your little moms to come over you guys get the wine out get the fucking what's what's what's the wine brand what's what's the brand called you probably since you're breaking bad head you're probably drinking that fucking dose ombrace shit aren't you I thought you were going to say so you're probably drinking crystal meth I'm like yeah I am you're probably shooting crystal meth that's my brand I like the idea that you like the show so much you know what fuck I'm just going to do meth this show is so good I had to try and I'm influenced I just had to try it I think that podcasting I will say we don't want you to join the space just because a lot of you guys have come in and eaten our lunch.

1:02:25So it's a little bit, it's doggy dog right now. Yeah.

1:02:28Jason Stewart:We're at war with famous people who can podcast. We're at war with smart lists. Because they just shoot right up to the top is what you're saying? Because they've made$200 million and we have not, mainly, is the number one thing. And we have gay guys we could add to the mix. You know what I mean? It's not that big of a deal, but it seems like that's, I don't think that's the differentiating factor. I think there's something else. We're learning that being famous is important. in this town oh yeah that's a good discovery i'm learning that having a 15 to 20 year career on television actually helps when you go audio only right right right we're doing it the old-fashioned i think it is more uh i appreciate your restraint because i feel like i i can't i can only imagine that people have at least approached you or thought about it and you've either said no or acted uninterested yeah um you know also like um so my husband has also said the same thing to me you know, on, on, on some level, like it, you know, it hasn't been a focused conversation of why don't you have a podcast, but we've talked about it.

1:03:27And he was like, you're, he said, you're not, you're looking at a podcast in a very different, like the world has changed from your, your, I think my understanding of a podcast is like whenever they started and he said, you know, anytime someone sits with anyone and it's a video, like that is a podcast. So he was like, those shows that you've done, like this show I did candidly, Nicole, and he's like all those shows, like technically could be podcasts. And so anyway, so we were at book fest and I, you know, I flew out all my friends and I was interviewing my favorite authors and we were having the time and we've done it now for, for a few years.

1:04:05Like we designed the whole thing. It's called the, it's called the burgundy room. It's so fab. And anyway, I was talking to Joel about it. I, when we were on the phone and he said, you know, that's a podcast.

1:04:16Jason Stewart:Burgundy Room is a podcast, queen. And I was like, right, right. And it's an upmarket name as well. Yeah, it's cool. The Shade Room, the Burgundy Room, sounds better, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah, that is the – I mean, we've gotten into this a lot on the show because as traditionalists, there is a differentiation as far as – because we've been told by other people that the Netflix thing with podcasts is they call it a podcast, even though it's just a talk show. So they can skip union fees. And is that something that you guys want to do? Or do you do that? Do you sit down with people in person? We're doing something that's more akin to like talk soup weekend update where it's a set like a desk talking about current events with like, you know, with, with images and graphics and stuff on the, on the.

1:05:04So, so no guests. Oh, we will have guests, but it's not this, it's not the call her daddy model. It's not that model where it's like. It's not that model.

1:05:11Jason Stewart:It's not going to be two people in two chairs in a set. In a beautiful setting. In a beautiful setting. Talking about, crying about your childhood or whatever. We're open to the crying, but. I think that maybe you're too tall to be in person with your guests. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I've been told that I'm too tall for roles over the years in Hollywood. Yeah. So I think this is nice. We're so tall. So you're saying we're so grotesquely tall, better to keep it audio only. So we don't scare the children and stuff. Yes, that's true. Like, I'm just saying it would cross my mind if you said come into the studio and let's do a podcast.

1:05:53I would say he's so tall. That's your feedback. So what would that look like? We'd be sitting down though. I would say like, how are you going to get us in the same frame? How tall are you?

1:06:06Jason Stewart:6 '9". And Chris is 6 '4". Wait, you really are 6 '9"? Yeah. Yeah. Real talk, queen. Nicole, are your feet touching the ground when you sit down? So, when we were... So, Jedediah and I were walking across Tulane over this weekend, and they had very high benches. And I guess people were swinging their legs. And Jed goes... He just was observing, and he said, I love when adults swing their legs. I looked over and I said, that's what I do every day. I've never not swung. This is why I asked that. I was like, that's actually my life. It's funny that you observed that. I would say once every eight years I sit on something where I could swing.

1:06:49I feel like I have some pictures of you on my phone where we would find an oversized novelty chair.

1:06:55Jason Stewart:The hotel lobby giant chair. I'm swinging in that. Yeah, like a big chair. That's a fun one. How is flying for you? Do you have to fly first? What do you do? Private. Or private? I don't have to. Luckily, as I've gotten older, the amount of lay flats are increasing in my day-to-day, but I've flown hundreds and hundreds of flights in the back of coach. You just kind of squeeze in. My philosophy is when you fit nowhere, you fit everywhere. So you just kind of, what's the option? You just make it work. Damn, bro. damn bro and you could use that for like other things not just flying okay you know what i mean yeah yeah no this is a light this is a life lesson because you were 6 '9 when your ass was broke so there ain't no you yeah i've been broke in 6 '9 and not broke at 6 '9 it's there's huge differences i think i just assume when you're that tall like you just have to then be rich that's what his wife assumes too but sometimes you can't hit the mark you know what i mean sometimes like you can't You can't just be like rolling around.

1:08:00You can't be tall and poor. You can't be like ripping and running. Well, the problem is that being tall as a man is, from what women have been saying the last decade, that's the highest virtue you can have as a man. You can be an asshole. You can be poor. You can be a drug addict. But if you're tall, you're fine. You're at least fucking, if nothing else. It exonerates all of your wrongdoings. It's been prioritized too much, I would say. And I'm someone who probably benefits from that. and I still think it's been prioritized too much. And you're 6 '4". Yeah. That also feels tall, but we're now coming from 6 '9", so I'm like, oh.

1:08:36Yeah. No, it works in my favor. No, that's fine.

1:08:39Jason Stewart:He's 6 '4 and hairless, so that's something. Yeah, that's kind of cool. Different strokes. Because I stand next to him in pictures and it makes me look like I'm 5 '8", and then I meet someone and they're like, oh shit, actually. So it's a nice surprise. But I like to say that it's the only handicap that zero people have sympathy for. Right. I don't know if girls care about being tall. I mean, I think I would rather be my height than 5 '4". Girls don't want to look old. I'd either want to be 5 '9". Women don't want to look old. That's all they care about, from what I can tell. They just don't want to look old.

1:09:11They don't want to look old, and they don't want to be fat.

1:09:13Jason Stewart:Yeah, no guy has ever been like, I found this. She's so hot, but she's a little short for me, so I'm not going to fuck her. Yeah, no man has ever said that. She's a little tiny for me. I don't know, bro. She's only 5 '5". I don't know if I can do it. Like, imagine if it was a version. She's wanting to hang out with me, but I don't know. She's not tall enough. No, we matched, and she was cool, but I just— Yeah, that just doesn't happen. But the height thing is strange. It's strange. It's been prioritized to the point of, like, short king is part of our lexicon. Now, short king is a term that my mom probably knows.

1:09:42You know what I mean? That did not exist, like, 10 years ago.

1:09:44Jason Stewart:Which means, like, you're so awesome, and you've done so much in your life, despite your height. You're tolerable to be around. Well, I hear tall girls, when they go out on dates with guys, if they're taller than the guy, I think that's strange for them. Well, of course. Yeah, that's bad for everybody. Because they want to feel like babies sometimes, you know? Baby. Yeah. Which is tough for me as the tallest guy in the club always. Back when I was single, every friend group would have the one fucking volleyball chick that would come over and, you got to meet my friend. And I'm like, oh, no. this and i you know i'm i'm being arranged with a woman that can beat me in arm wrestling and i'm saying no i don't like no i don't i can't feel like why do you think yeah why just because i'm tall don't mean i like that yeah i don't want no wmba fucking starting i feel i mean but that makes me feel bad for for very tall women it's a tough go out there yeah i think they do fine they're either models or athletes it's no but i mean like women that are like as tall as i am like there's they're very few but like there's a woman who's six eight right now who's having a tough go at life and she's like i want to find a man but like now he has to be tall who is this woman that could frame mog you is she a athlete no i don't know who these people are but they i'll they they do exist i've seen them pop up on on instagram or something like that and or you know like and there's people who are into like tall women and like large women fetishes and stuff so thanks to technology you can be you know a giant fucking cave dwelling monster of a lady and make a pretty good amount of money on only fans you know what i mean just sitting on little guys and squishing stuff i didn't even think about that there are new income streams for women of that stature and they're probably quite profitable i would say it's better for your body only fans is better for your body than playing a couple years in the wba now send me a photo of you standing in a doorway oh yeah you're telling me you have to duck every time yeah things that you don't have to worry about right nicole you've never hit your head in a doorway yeah this is not no i just uh but i would i would look at you on a plane like you're the person i would look at and say i wouldn't i'm not even going to pretend like i can put my bag in the overhead space um it's just not an option for me so um and there's always someone there that i can just politely ask would you mind you point at me you point at the remote law and you say make it happen my question to you is though you remember a couple years ago that was looked down upon there was a whole line of thinking that it was disrespectful for to to help a woman put her like you're taking away her agency if you help i'll do it myself oh no i'm down for it too i'm not a no i'm like this is a real thing help me yeah in this in in this lane i can do a lot of things myself that is not one of them i like to help but i for a couple years i try i i was weary i wouldn't i wouldn't offer unless i saw a visible struggle because i was afraid of what would happen to me on you know i say i i just go ahead and ask like i don't even make it i'm not gonna wait i'm not gonna pretend like i say will you please help me and we just get it out of the way really fast that's not the way it should be yeah yeah i've been doing that at supermarkets my whole life getting a little something on the top shelf yes for all the mamasitas out there is triscuit shorty let me get those for you yeah that's nice yeah that's nice that's a real offer jason that's really sweet of you not those beans the other one one's on the top usually at the end of uh certain episodes with certain guests we ask this one question okay if you don't want to answer it you can totally not answer it and we can just cut the whole thing okay top five prescription drugs of all time like what do you mean like of all the drugs out there that pharmaceutical companies make that we have enjoyed over the years vicodins oh xanaxes oxycontins okay i'm okay okay i'm i'm understanding um i mean i've enjoyed all of them i don't know right now at 44 i'm very into meclizine but it's not fun it's more just what the fuck is that with my vertigo meclizine um it's like a prescription version of dramamine oh okay an anti-nausea it's an anti like dizzy vertigo medication and um i it's not fun but i appreciate it have you always had vertigo or did like develop it it ended up developing damn later in life oh i've heard this i've heard i've heard this from a few people actually but it comes on and then it's kind of intense then again and it can go it just goes away right like it's like a pretty pretty sporadic but how that the episodes can last whatever amount of time is that days could be oh wow are you like are you like bedridden at its height yes yeah okay so so there's a peak and then it kind of tails off but you're not in the clear yeah there's versions of it that are not that um but like i for example if i'm getting in an Uber, I have to sit in the front seat.

1:14:47Oh, so you, okay. So there's little things that you now know that like, I have to do this. That I just know that set me off. And I love roller coasters so much. And I never thought, I used to look down on adults that would not go on roller coasters. We just got, we're in the end of this. And I would say, I'm never going to be. I'm also a coaster lover, Nicole. How did we just get to the, oh my God. I love them. I love roller coasters. Oh, this is terrible. Okay.

1:15:08Jason Stewart:So, so the curse of being a roller coaster lover with vertigo is what you have. Yeah. That's tough. That's its own episode, I think. Wow. If you could just, all right, I don't mean to bring up a sore subject, but what is your favorite coaster, if you had to, you know, of all time? Because mine's the Great American Scream Machine at Six Flags Over Georgia. I grew up in Atlanta. That's my top. Okay. It's rickety. It's wood. It's not one of those new modern joints. So you can kind of catch a little air if you sit in the back seat. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. What's coming to mind right now is Tatsu.

1:15:42Tatsu? I'm unfamiliar. that sounds like a restaurant you would have eaten at before you went to hide. So if you could give me a little more detail.

1:15:48Jason Stewart:Yeah, Tatsu Ramen over there on Melrose. It's great. I wonder if that's the name. Yeah, it's a ramen place on Melrose. But what else does it do? Guys, that might not be the name, but it's at Magic Mountain and it's fun. And it starts with a T. Okay. No, it is called Tatsu. But what is the vibe I'm saying? Is it upside down? Are you flying like Superman? Yeah, you're strapped in and you go forward. Forward. Okay, sure. What's that one X where you're going through the flames? You said you're a Six Flags guy. He's going to the one in Atlanta. He's not a magic mountain head. Right. I had an amazing summer.

1:16:25I used to manage a band, and we did a deal where they played every Six Flags one summer. Wow. So I went to most of them that summer, and we had the escort and everything, and it was the best summer of my life. I'll tell you what I can't do that really freaks me out is the roller coasters that go from zero to full speed immediately. That, like, does something. I feel like I possibly will have a heart attack. So that's a no for me. I like more of a classic style. But I think they've gotten too advanced technology. But I like drop. Yeah, like, I don't. Let's not get crazy with it. Like, I love. A fall is very, like, it's.

1:16:58And do you lean forward? What do you do when you're dropping? Of course. I push my body forward and then it becomes relaxing. I'm floating. I'm floating. I'm in a float tank.

1:17:09Jason Stewart:I've got the Tatsu wiki pulled up. Fly at the speed of fear. That's my bad. And it says, you're situated in a vertical standing position. Each car pivots 90 degrees, transitioning riders into a horizontal flying position. Oh, I miss it. So sad. I love how we're speaking so fondly and romantically of Tatsu over at Samurai Summit at Magic Mountain. It's really sad. Guys, feel bad for me. I can't ride it anymore. I do. Maybe we can play a little roller coaster tycoon on the iPad or something like that. Just scratch the itch. I don't know. We'll get you some goggles. We'll get you some VR goggles and you can just live your truth on the couch.

1:17:49That sounds even better. Yeah.

1:17:51Jason Stewart:We're going to clear that Vertico up using AI technology and we're going to get you back on those. riding those rails again, mama. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right, Nicole, thank you for joining us. It was a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you, guys. This was so much fun. Our treat. Anything to plug? Just go check out some House of Harlow, buy some jewelry. Yeah. That's pretty much it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do it. Do it. We didn't even get into your being a female founder, my favorite subject. I love to support female founders. Next episode. That's why we had you on today, really. Something to grow on.

1:18:21Oh, well, I'm glad we didn't talk about it. people are familiar with your founder dumb it's it's not like i need to tell them tell joel we say hi as well i will i will all right we'll see you soon bye guys

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