922. - Adam Goldberg

24:24I go, bud, the infrastructure just isn't there yet. You know, we're just, we're just not there yet. And I realized I was lying to him, you know, because it's, it's there. Um, I mean, the infrastructure, you just get a fucking charger at your house. So I was like, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, bud, I'll get the hybrid. I'm looking at the hybrid and you get like 20 miles on the, on the electric charge or whatever. I was like, Oh, fuck it. So then I just did it. I mean, and I have to tell you something, it is incredible. What exactly is incredible about it? Well, it's fast as fuck, first of all.

25:00Yeah, they are fast.

25:00Jason Stewart:The acceleration is fantastic. It's insane. And then you never go to a gas station. It was so fast at first I thought it was going to be problematic because like you have to like the way that you have to operate the, you know, the gas, you know, and a couple of instances, you know, your head ends up hitting the back. What if I told you guys that I like going to the gas station? Let me keep it a whole buckaroon-y with you. He's a Southern boy at the end of the day. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I want to go every day, but the ritual of going to the quick trip, filling up the car, grabbing a$4 Fiji.

25:33Swishers? Yeah, and back in the day when I was smoking weed, I'd get Swishers, a lighter. There's something about that that feels good. Are you saying you don't miss that? It's a third space. I miss so much about the old days. that i mean it's pretty far down on the list of things that i miss um but yes i i miss everything about you know living in a younger more analog time but i will also say that i got that car you know the weird thing about wearing headphones when you're not monitoring yourself is that you

26:00Jason Stewart:scream because you can't fucking hear yourself so i i have no idea what this is going to sound like to people but maybe we can go one on one off but like i said i'll clean it up oh yeah that's a good idea like i'm all right frank ocean relax like i'm singing there you go i don't have my glasses on is that you bonnie there in the studio so so i um i um when i bought that when i had that car i had a little i also had two motorcycles which used plenty of gas and i had a 73 tr6 triumph which used tons of gas and uh i got run over by my neighbor on my motorcycle and then so i stopped riding motorcycles like your actual neighbor my actual fucking neighbor what was the can you explain situation was this in the neighborhood or is this yeah barely made it out of off of my street um and she made some crazy she claims it's a right a left turn i swear it was a right turn um but either way she ended up on top of me on top of the sidewalk on the wrong side of the street right out in front of our pediatrician's office on the corner where we live just because you said she ended up on top of you is she hot is she hot no alas no okay all right i was looking for a silver lining no no silver lining here um she is a uh a fucking thoracic heart surgeon okay hopefully we got a little civil check yeah oh we did all right well because there are a few guitars in here i see some gear here so okay how how injured were you and which pair of thousand dollar cheap which pair of thousand dollar jeans were you wearing and did they protect funny yeah it's true well i was wearing i was actually wearing armor you know i was wearing um i forget what you call the some chaps not not chaff not old-fashioned armor the new fashion armor got it so i had like i had it in my shoulders i had it on my elbows i had it on my knees i had it on my hips but still i had a fucking thing on my elbow that was that size i actually wonder if the armor caused it you know my my knee was all fucked up i broke my wrist oh and i'm in a couple places and it still feels horrible and it's been three years fucking feels terrible now let me ask you this as a because i like to ask this question anybody who who rides a motorcycle do you have a death wish like what is the what is your attraction to the two-wheel lifestyle so i used to ride motorcycles when i was 19 and i rode for a few years in earnest like i really rode around everywhere in like the early 90s like to get places you know i mean i had a car but it was always in the shop this is in la this is in la this is the nla and this is also like pre-helmet law the helmet law i think came to effect when i turned 21 or something so there was a couple years where i'm riding around with know how I met, you know, and that's just a different mindset entirely.

28:50You really, really, and I was a hypochondriac and, you know, a total neurotic from day one. It's just that even as a neurotic hypochondriac or whatever, you still think when you're 19 years old, you're going to live forever. You really do. I mean, you just really do. And so I wrote for a bunch of years and I stopped writing. And then when I was 30, I guess I had my first, whatever you want to call the crisis. I was living in New York. It was after 9-11. I started to feel kind of stir crazy and I don't know what. And I bought another motorcycle. I started riding again. But then I felt funny. Like it didn't feel the same.

29:28I didn't feel as carefree about it. So I stopped riding and I only put like a few hundred miles on that motorcycle. I sold it and I didn't ride again for 20 years. And when after the pandemic or during the pandemic, we moved, well, thought thought we were coming out here where I live now to work, but it turned into moving out here because our kids started going to school here and bubble boss and I live outside of the city in New York. And, you know, there's just this kind of, I guess, I don't know if it had something to do with the pandemic, a very late midlife life crisis, or just being in what feels like the boonies, even though it's not exactly the country where it just sort of felt like somehow I would have some sort of weird immunity and i i don't know why i i was arguably a much worse motorcycle rider than i was when i was younger um but i also started like taking it really seriously and like going like really learning about riding in a way i didn't before so that became its own thing so it was much about so i would go and i would practice in parking lots which i never used to do You know, so I was like taking it really seriously.

30:37I was really dressed correctly. And, you know, I'm a gearhead. So whatever the project is or whatever the obsession is at the time, got to go all in on the gear. And I guess I felt pretty safe. And then I got fucking run over at 15 miles an hour coming up to a stop. And it was like that cliche where you can't like, you know, where they say that most accidents happen. And this, by the way, was. And most do us. Oh, right. Yeah. And this was, by the way, after a pretty good friend of mine in Los Angeles had lost his fucking leg being on a motorcycle and stopped riding. And it was a week after Treat Williams died or two weeks after or three weeks after Treat Williams died.

31:14And around that time, I was thinking, like, now there's a guy who just thought, like, he's almost done. He's almost done living. He was, speaking of gas stations, that's what killed him. He was a guy who was fucking turning into a gas station, turned right in front of him, by his house, country road, same situation. dead. And this was a fluke. It's a fluke. I didn't get trapped under her car because the motorcycle did. Do you think she felt bad? Well, it's funny you should ask because no, I didn't feel like she felt bad. And so, uh, so I wrote her a letter on the two year anniversary of the accident after never having heard from her.

31:51She lives 12 houses down. Well, who, how did you communicate via lawyer, via insurance? Yeah. I mean, you know, you're suing somebody and you're not suing them. and you're seeing their insurance company. So it didn't feel like there was any personal. Yeah, yeah, sure. Right. We don't need to chop it up over banana bread.

32:06Jason Stewart:Yeah, right, right. She didn't have to join OnlyFans to pay for your medical bills. Oh, God. That's a disturbing thought. You saw her. I mean, seriously, she would run by, and everything about her was like something out of your childhood nightmares. and she would go jogging and she's extremely skinny and kind of hunched over and she just reminds me of the kind of... There was a neighbor that always scared me when I was a child and I remember being with my little boy, Sonny, and I didn't want to say anything. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Your kids are named Bud and Sonny? Yeah, I know. And my dog is named Brownie.

32:46The dog's brown, you name him Brownie. You have a boy, you name him Bud. You have another boy, you name him Sonny. I like it. I like it too. Alright, so you got... Your neighbor, so you wrote her a letter. I wrote her a letter, and I said, though you might have managed to compartmentalize this, I am still in terrible pain every day. Keep my kids away from your driveway, because we have no sidewalks in our neighborhood. Bet you missed those back in L.A., huh, buddy? Yeah. I'm going to L.A. tomorrow, and I have this fear, and I'm going there for two months. I have this fear, I'm just going to stay.

33:21I rented a house in Silver Lake

33:23Jason Stewart:yeah this sounds like a limited HBO series ready to happen brother I gotta say I gotta say Adam based on your this location I thought I thought you were in LA based on the look of this room only even though I'm in New York and it's sunny today I'm looking at the Hudson River I'm just I'm surprised that Beacon looks like this on a day like this I'm looking at spring is springing so how do you like it how do you like being I mean, because you were in the mix for years, I feel like. Do you feel retired up there, or do you like it? It's funny. I keep saying I'm semi-retired. I was on this TV show, The Equalizer, for five seasons, and I literally said I'm semi-retired, man.

34:06And I go into Brooklyn a couple of days a week, and I sit at a computer. Tap in with the locals? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. You know, our kids run down the street to their friend's house. it's pretty charming but I'm having this sinking feeling that a lot of it is having to do with the fact that I haven't physically seen Los Angeles in so long that once I'm back there because I'm from there I mean that's where I grew up what would you say your prime years in Los Angeles were? like when were you out and fucking the most? like what period?

34:42Jason Stewart:were you a member of the swing dancing movement? yeah But I avoided it. Like what nightclubs and bars were you riding your motorcycle drunk to? Oh, drunk to? Yeah. I mean, well, so the three clubs was my friend, my best friend in the world, you know, who's now passed. Rio, he used to work there. And we would, in fact, speaking of motorcycle, here, I'll combine everything. in the 90s uh the night of the northridge earthquake i just bought a b73 bmw toaster tank uh and we everyone rode bikes and so when rio got off work at 2 a.m he rode by picked me up and a couple and my buddies uh nick katt who's also dead well my friends are and um and we uh in front of the hermoine on rossmer where i used to live and we all drove up to running canyon that's getting how fucking 90s la is this and um we ride down and the second we park our cars at rio's place in hollywood i mean the second we park our bikes and get off the bikes we start seeing transformers blowing up the bikes you know roll over um and that's how we witnessed the earthquake but yeah so that was in what like 94 you have drunk 20 year old actors in hollywood on motorcycles that's done i think our job here is done yeah that is have you really have you lost that many friends is it to drugs and alcohol or is it just no it's it's actually it's it's just it's life rio died of cancer uh nick uh committed suicide last year although i had been out of touch with him for 20 plus years yeah i don't know i mean people do say that once you cross 50 yeah you know people you love start dying um and uh i've been particularly unfortunate i mean my best friend my you know i only went to college for a year but my roommate got killed in a car accident that wasn't his fault um it's just uh yeah there's been a lot of too much loss in my uh in my life death follows you goldberg didn't know that yeah that's you got to be careful bro yeah don't get close to no he doesn't he's just fine people around him need to be careful exactly i'm the x factor or the a factor or the fact so every time you would meet a girl you'd be like you don't want none of this babe you don't want to get too close you don't want i give her i give her the peewee line yeah yeah i'm a loner i'm a loner dotty yeah what is the now as a person who's worked for whatever you know most of your life i feel like more than most people i'm always fascinated at sort of the summer camp of making a movie or making a tv show and how you sort of, it's you versus the world and then it's just over.

37:29And how those people, you know, how some people really stick around your life. Most don't. And I just, I don't know. Something about that experience is just so singular to me. Yeah. I think it's a weird way to live. I think there was a lot of, I mean, to be frank, especially the last few years, but I pretty much began to think this was a stupid idea somewhere in my mid twenties, but I really started to think it was a wildly irresponsible way to live once I had kids. And I had kids late. I didn't have kids in my early 40s. I mean, somewhat late. And for economic reasons, for sanity reasons, for practical parental reasons, it seems like a kind of an idiotic life choice that you're sort of honoring, or at least in my case, I'm honoring the passions of a six-year-old who just saw Rocky.

38:20I mean, that's when I decided I wanted to be an actor, you know, and, you know, you're 55 years old and, you know, you want to send your kids to a decent school. And you're like, I'm doing this because a fucking six year old like Rocky. And so. But, yeah, in terms and also your life is extremely fragmented. I mean, you have, you know, a series of these oftentimes extremely disconnected experience. Now, sometimes there's overlap and you start seeing these people and they're sort of woven into the tapestry of your life. But honestly, the people I'm closest to are friends I'd made outside of the business entirely.

38:54I mean, I had a feeling that would be the answer. It wasn't for a while. I mean, there was a decade where like the Dazed and Confused experience was so specific and so, I think, singular. And we all sort of knew it at the time. And many of us were close for a long time. And a few of us were very, very close for a very long time. But then that thing happened, which I'm sure probably happens to people who maybe went to college or whatever, which, you know, none of us really did. Where, you know, you grow apart or one person starts to, you know, kind of get all of their lives and the other people don't.

39:30So there was a bit of that. But, you know, it seems like the friends that, you know, I have some very good friends from high school and I have some very good friends from just being like a normal adult. but I don't have a lot of acting friends anymore at all. And it's weird when, for instance, you're doing like a project or something and someone will say like, come on, can't you call one of your actor friends? Or I'm like, no, I mean, they're gone or I couldn't handle being friends with them.

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42:17Jason Stewart:People with fairy tale jobs. I don't count content creators in that bucket, only real artists. I've had some good musician friends that I've kept for a while. But I feel like why are actors such freaks? Because they have to play someone else for money? I don't know. I think it's a, because think about what you're doing. I mean, it's totally. I mean, I think it's crazy. I don't watch movies. I try not to watch any TV that's not reality. You have to tap into a side of sociopathy that most people don't have access to. I mean, you're essentially a child. You're playing make-believe. I mean, you're a child.

42:47Jason Stewart:With childlike demands. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, I don't want to disparage. I also always thought of myself as, I think early on, I wanted to be an actor, actor, like really, really immerse myself. And at some point I realized, A, I wasn't really being given the opportunity to do that. And so when I had the opportunity, I would sort of over immerse myself. And I actually think some of my better performances were things that you'll probably never have seen, or you'll never see or won't have seen because they were smaller, I had a better opportunity. And where there was less pressure and i was you know where things were more off the cuff i stopped actually taking it quite so seriously um i think there are some people who are born actors i mean we're just we're born to just sort of be i don't know chameleons or something um i always sort of thought of myself uh as a writer or you know even a filmmaker which was something i was always interested in and practicing are you saying that you're an actor that wanted to be a director Well, I was saying I was a director and ended up acting.

43:55I was making films when I was in high school. I went to CalArts Film School for a week, but by that point I had started acting professionally enough that it sort of seemed ridiculous. And so I just continued making a living being an actor. And then I made my first film as a filmmaker when I was 24 and sort of hoped that would be it. But it was, you know, it was a very small film and it didn't do what it was meant to do, I guess, in that regard. um you know it was creatively fulfilling and making films is incredibly consuming and taxing and it's a and hard um and some and sometimes extremely disappointing you know but i may i've directed a you know a film every 10 years essentially anyway it's it's one aspect of my personality but for people for whom it's all consuming i don't know what to say about that it's hard for me to relate to i just i don't know what to say about that okay you you you mentioned

44:51Jason Stewart:some roles you took more seriously than others off you know ones that we haven't seen are ones where you just played a small role versus you know you know a big picture they had something in did you take your role in hbo's entourage seriously where did it rank on the scale well you know i didn't watch the show you know and so okay all right all right artiste you could i was watching six feet under at the time thank you very much i was watching tv and that's when it was definitely even better even better it was just gaspard no films in the bathtub at that point i i said no to friends you know but my agent said no your agent said no to you said no to me and so wrong dumbass you're doing friends wrong answer um i don't know you know i it was because bruno kirby died is why i did entourage bruno kirby was supposed to play he had an arc on the show and then he died and so the way then they had to rewrite the arc i guess i was his son i'm not 100 sure but it had something to do with him dying i was a huge bruno kirby fan and doug the creator of the show on the phone with me and you know explained it to me i was like you know great but i always felt a little bit weird doing it because i don't know it was a it was kind of a weird atmosphere i guess i i didn't i don't you don't consider yourself a tail chaser like the fellas Yeah, well, I didn't relate to the guy.

46:16It was awkward. I mean, there's one scene where there are these two women and they've got coke all over their tits or whatever, their breasts, their chest. I noticed you have coke on your tits or breasts. I was embarrassed. I was kind of embarrassed, but I had to be that guy. It's not that I don't know how to play an asshole. It's not that I am not an asshole. I'm just a different kind of an asshole. Don't get me wrong.

46:42Jason Stewart:I can channel it just fine. The brand was different than yours. But I have to say, I think I'm really funny in that. It's one of the few instances back where I watched what I did, and I think maybe because it is so different than me or something. I don't know. I actually think I'm pretty good in that. Someone cut together some clip reel of it, and I watched it, and I was like, not bad. I should get more work. I should be way busier. Yeah. I've known this guy since I was a kid, and he still looks at me like I'm a spoiled prick. Are you kidding, Nick? I look at you with awe of all of your accomplishments.

47:16Right. Hey, you know what? I don't care. Truth of the matter is I got so much money now I can sit on my ass and fuck models for the rest of my life if I wanted to. Right. I'm not a model. I'm a singer. I'm just making a point for her.

47:24Jason Stewart:Well, maybe maybe you should think outside your strike zone a little bit more and, you know, I do. I don't think most people do. There are very few people who think outside the strike zone. This guy, Noah Hawley, who I did this show, The Unusuals, and then later Fargo, the TV version of it um he he does it was always there are very few people do he's like oh i thought you're gonna play hitman i was like well all right um and you're gonna learn sign language like okay um and and but most people don't i mean they just want to see you yeah do what you do and and then and then there are so many other people that can kind of do what you do so now you're just kind of you're not the only neurotic jew in town at this point oh no not no not at all um i have been second this has been the weirdest year of my professional life as an actor like bar none um it's like i came out of this tv show the equalizer you know and the equalizer is a network tv show correct alongside one queen latifah one queen latifah the goat okay we got network that pays some bills that kid that fills up the studio not as much as it did in the old days and the old Although, you know, that strike, the actor strike that cost me half a season's worth of work, and then didn't grandfather in any of our contracts, I think probably benefited a lot more people who then made deals with networks afterwards.

48:55It's not what it used to be, you know, when 20 people were watching a TV show.

48:58Jason Stewart:The mail mocks money hits a little differently nowadays. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. it's not it's it's not even clips but but five years syndicated on cbs you know i don't think we reached syndication we had we didn't have no it was it was just enough to consume a pretty substantial portion of my life but not enough to then uh allow me to properly retire or retire at all and so um but but i came out of that experience like rip van winkle i mean i'd heard that the business was bad and weird and I should be lucky and I should feel lucky to be employed. So I would tell myself that I'm very lucky to have a job, but like, and it, but it's true.

49:40I came out and it was like, I, I put myself on tape and everyone puts themselves on tape. I've done that twice in my life. You know, part of that was just the nature of my career, but part of that was just the nature of the business. And, you know, now it's, that's just all it is. I haven't met a fucking human being in person, you know, related to a show or a project in six fucking years.

50:03Jason Stewart:Because there's a time when you would say, Adam Goldberg doesn't self-tape and then hang the phone up. Or I would. It would just go so badly. It just seemed like the wrong thing to do. Do you know what I'm saying? Adam can, but he shouldn't because he's very bad. He shouldn't because he won't get the job or whatever. Like, Like if if I it seemed like if I had any appeal, it was some sort of glad handing in person Yeah, or they just like my my theory about my career was is that if you like me like me if you were having the audition There's gonna be another guy you're gonna like better and that's what's happened all this last year and it's been three shows at least like three projects where The joke around the house is my wife.

50:46She's like, are you in the mix? I'm like, yeah, I'm in the mix um in the mix on this one yeah in the mix um but it's come down to me and some other guy who's just kind of like me or like yeah who do you think you're losing out to who do you think i know who i'm losing out to in a couple of instances it's not the same person it's not okay um it's not that i wish it were that simple but it it isn't it's a walk it's a it's it's a it's a fairly wide array i mean one example is is like i put a bald cap on for one audition which was and the guy who got it is bald you know it was between me and the actual bald guy he just did a better bald at the end of

51:23Jason Stewart:the day yeah he just somehow embodied it better than you yeah and then the other one was kind of like you know jewish neurotic husband of like one of the leads or whatever and i was like really they want me to read for that like wow shit is different okay um i'll fucking read for it you know yeah because i feel like there's a certain time where they're like that would just be a phone I mean, the Equalizer was a phone call. Who are you talking about? And you show them, oh, yeah, that guy. Book him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Done. They had to beg me to do the Equalizer. I said, no, like five times. Did they go get breakfast with Latifah at the Beverly Hills Hotel, then come talk to us?

51:58No, it was November of 2020. And I was like, oh, fuck. Nobody's ever going to work again. I'll do anything. What era do you think you were the most financially successful as a creative professional? Oh, the last five years with that question. Really? Yeah, that's what's funny is on Instagram, when Nazis want to troll you and they say, you know, they invariably or inevitably derive your career status. And I'm like, really? Because I just made more money in the last five years than I have in 35 years. Because every show I had been on, even if it was more zeitgeist, didn't pay. It lasted a year or lasted two years.

52:38Yeah, yeah, sure. It doesn't have the staying power. So, I mean, if you're talking strictly financial, you know, I am not still living off$150 ,000 from saving Private Ryan. You know what I'm saying? Sure. Yeah. You're sure. I mean, I imagine that as such. No, there was a period, I think, where if they needed a best friend, yeah, it was really easy to get that offer and not necessarily even want it. Like, how does a guy in 10 days? I was like, really? I played McConaughey's friend in Ed TV and we were in Days and Confused and they want me to be one of two best friends and how does a guy in 10 days?

53:07I was like, really? and then they told me for how much and i was like how many days i was like oh okay but now i'm like what doesn't anybody need a best friend like you know people haven't friends anymore what's going on out here no i mean unless i mean literally unless it's spider-man's best

53:24Jason Stewart:friend we can't afford any chums for this project i'm so sorry this guy's a solo operator we can't do it yeah unless you're willing to work for scale i feel like you have a lot of hobbies so it's like I don't know how you do it all yeah I have a lot of hobbies knowing that you have two kids you're definitely like a rich guy like a photographer you got a room full of fucking music gear you're making albums have you ever heard of credit cards? no no I'm unfortunately familiar with credit cards I just I guess I don't I think this is a bad trait of mine I don't have hobbies like I kind of do what I I like my job and I do a bunch of stuff and I am lucky enough to get paid for it, but there's nothing I do that I'm doing just for the sheer love of it because I want to spend my time doing that.

54:14Yeah, if I could figure out a way to monetize making small records in my fucking office and or taking double exposures with expired Polaroid film, God knows I'd be doing that. You picked wrong, big dog. You picked wrong. I know. Even the people who are good at it aren't making money, brother. believe me believe me i know that uh i know that it's not not not strong career choices but i i you know i always did and you know and i had said even when i was in my you know most actor-y you know phase in the not you know in the 90s and you know just finished dazed and you know we were all gonna be the fucking you know the next wave of whatever uh i was like Like, it's really, actually, especially then, I thought it was essential to have other interests because what are you going to do?

55:08Take your, like, scenes for young actors off the shelf and do a fucking monologue in your living room? I mean, there's nothing to do if you're an actor. You're sitting around a lot. There's a lot of sitting around. Cocaine. Yeah, cocaine. Yeah, and I tried that, and it didn't quite seem to do the trick, although every once in a while, some people will say, like, I did coke in your apartment on Rossmore, And I was like, I don't remember you. Well, that means you were having good parties, is what that means to me. No, I think I'd probably have a Polo in that person.

55:36Jason Stewart:Okay, what about a big hobby back then for actors? Vintage Ford Bronco. You have one of those? No, I never did vintage operators. I had a Ford Falcon, 64 Ford Falcon. Okay, so you were riding around. When did you get into jeans?

55:56the year i discovered denim and where did you start was it like were you in japan you're like oh shit or were you like at self-edge on fucking on la siena or whatever on fairfax joke in my in my house is because you know i'll say to my wife you know she you know she'll she's like you started that right and i was like yeah i started western shirts i started i started uh I started denim. I started engineer boots. I was always like into like Canadian tuxedos and things. I'm, you know, I didn't even sort of, I wasn't, but I wasn't aware there was this whole repro scene. Okay. So I wasn't aware of that whole scene until like 10 years ago.

56:31And yeah, I learned about self edge and stuff like that. It was, it was when I learned about this brand, the real McCoy is from Japan. Real McCoy is, you know, is I said this when I got, I, cause I just went to Japan for the first time actually, like in December. Oh, see, I've never been. The real McCoy is, the real McCoy's store. is one of the best retail stores in the world. It's unbelievable. I mean, I love the brand. I like the stuff, obviously, but the store is different. The store is unbelievable. Well, so there was a store in Soho in New York. Yeah, yeah. When I discovered, and I was living there at the time, when I discovered that that's, I was like, so I used to go to Surplus Mar.

57:03So I used to buy my clothes at California Surplus Mar on Vine Street. I get like my Dickies there and I'd buy jeans from this place, Shepler's in Oklahoma. this was the only place i could get 517s boot cut jeans look at you really look hey 517s man really having a moment right now you were ahead of the curve 517 orange tag don't get don't get somber near your closet i just read i just read just read that carolyn beset wore 517s yeah you're just like a hot chick why is that in my fucking brain well you want to know who your competition is get that out of my brain i read that i was looking at summaries of recent shows get carolyn besets ass and denim out of my brain it's tough i know i saw a chick today i was looking i was because i was in the city today and i was like i wonder how many people are like overtly besetting right now oh it's very real and i saw one where i was like oh my fucking god it's her they usually don't look that good to face in my if you take a closer look all i saw was bright blonde hair the fucking shades the jeans the whole thing it was right as i was about to get on that hudson you know on the parkway and i was and i it was so on the nose and it's funny because i've really been clocking it i've been thinking about it um to see whether you know to see what how like come over hey adam come over on a saturday we'll go over to meadow lane to go get some overpriced chicken strips and i'll show you a hundred of those in tribeca honest it's crazy it's so weird um you guys were talking about uh the apartment the other day right oh yeah the green street yeah it's so funny because i i'm a kind of embarrassed to admit this but like you know so i watched a few episodes of that show and i just started to feel really bad about myself so i so i so i stopped i think the daryl hannah editorial put me over the because you don't like how she was portrayed or you i guess i just feel the whole thing feels like a fucking like watching a car wreck or something it just feels wrong yeah yeah yeah you know i just feel people are most people are most upset with the way Daryl Hannah was portrayed.

59:10No, no, that, well, that was absurd. I couldn't believe it.

59:14Jason Stewart:National treasure, Daryl Hannah. Neil Young's ex. I know, dude. Wait. Legendary stick woman. Wait, ex? I thought they were still together. Oh, maybe they are still together. I just feel like Neil Young's a tough guy to date. Don't be making any news here. No, I would hate, I don't know anything about Neil Young's personal life. No, I think we're still together. It just felt like it was so poison penny. I was just like, Jesus Christ, what are they told me to do to the fucking writers um bizarre anyway uh but i have to admit i was like what's the deal with that apartment so i like i googled the apartment i street viewed it this is late at night i mean shit goes down after midnight do the kids go to bed and the wife you got a little edible going start pulling hey siri i i'm allergic to i'm allergic to weed and at tt in any form i i was like i was excited about edibles because i was like this is your ticket it's a smoke pot and it made me super congested and gave me migraines so i was like push through that like what like what and so i was like oh i'm sure it's has something to do with the you know the way it's being you know processed the carcinogenation or something whatever you know i was a big smoker so i was confusing because i smoked i know you had a pack of lucky strikes and you're fucking 517 i did there was there was a period i was more but i was a camel i was a camel oh camel Oh, okay.

1:00:33All right.

1:00:33Jason Stewart:Good for you. A little Turkish delight, babe. You want one? Turkish delight. I collected Joe Campbell dollars, baby. Oh, no. See that pool table? Didn't pay for it. Don't put your beer on that pool table, but it was free.

1:00:53So anyway, I don't know where the -

1:00:56Jason Stewart:Okay. Going back to LA, you mentioned - Oh, yeah. Dummies. I had like a half a fucking milligram. not the other night but a bunch of months ago at our friend's house i don't feel right i don't feel right i'm getting a fucking terrible head what's happening to me and that's from nothing it's from nothing okay well i'm sorry about that but you have alcohol right you have alcohol i'm gonna try ketamine therapy but we don't have to get oh okay i like ketamine a little bit i've never done it socially i just do it at home and it makes me like clean the house and stuff and like stretch It's nice Yeah Anyway, so denim Yes Were you a blue and green guy?

1:01:36Yeah, but the stuff's a little Yes, I love blue and green But I do more of the normal Shit from blue and green I went through a brief capital phase Until I was like I think the regular capital stuff is so great But nobody really talks about it It's like a regular pair of capital jeans is great Right, right, well the fit is weird The monkey Cisco fit. It's a weird fit, kind of big in the thigh, a weird taper. Weirdly, on this show, the Equalizer, they let me dress myself. So I was wearing all kinds of crazy-ass capital sweaters and things like that. And they were paying for it, or you were pulling from your personal collection?

1:02:16It was a weird cross between both. So sometimes, so it started out they would pay for it, but I was wearing enough of my stuff that in the end, it was just easier to wear my own stock and or get them to buy it or it was it was unclear you

1:02:29Jason Stewart:said this ugly sweater was how much motherfucker yeah that's what i was gonna say yeah you said 800 800 for the sweater yeah yeah so i was i was wearing like a crazy amount of of of obscure japanese you know whatever you want to call it workwear uh playing a hacker on tv and speaking of neilion i also somehow got they they would say hey you know you should play some guitar on the show and blah blah blah so like you know they would say hey do you want to do a billy joel song i was like can i do a pixie song and they'd say okay and they cleared they cleared me wow thank heart and heart of gold or old man or one of them i swear to god apparently they were like that's kind of a big deal because he doesn't clear a lot of stuff i was like okay and i'd fucking butcher it because i'm not like a great player i play with loop pedals and effects pedals and things like that but uh i think in that particular case i was actually just like looping the chord structure and trying to noodle on top of it um anyway it's really funny because there's i i'm in my own mini show in this otherwise normal procedural show where the cia is trying to whatever that's and that you're hiding in plain sight on cbs you know we have hidden plain sights actually on 8 p.m on on on abc so you're close we were really hiding on plain sight because because because no because the show was like at first it was on it some normal time but then it invariably would end up at like 8 13 because of football or like 8 19 and then they would kind of push it to nine you know and then and then eventually we were pushed to 10 and i was like i think we're getting canceled here um and we prefer to say the actors and the writer's strike and i was like oh that's a bummer because now we can't do this second half of the season and anyway um it just uh it was a mess okay well you you mentioned at the beginning of the episode you're going to go to la tomorrow for two months.

1:04:20Jason Stewart:Yes. Are you bringing the family out for this? So we had had to plan a trip for about a year, which I knew was a bad idea. And my dad and his other family, my half-sisters and his wife, are all taking a trip to Hawaii, and we're going with them. So we're flying to L.A. for a few days so my kids can hang out with their grandma, and then we're going to go on this little Hawaii trip and then sign up for these two small movies. So basically, I'm stopping back off in L.A., and they're coming back to New York and I stay there for two months. Hell yeah, daddy time, baby, letting those nuts hang. Well, right, and there's your limited series in a Silver Lake, in a mid-century modern Silver Lake rental.

1:05:00Okay. And it's just me and my old, you know, fucked up friends. Okay, do you have, do you use a special service to find this lodging? No, no, no. In fact, it's funny because they're not going to get their shit together on time. I got to start looking for a place, you know, because they were I was just like, have them give me the stipend and I'll just find something on Airbnb. So I find this thing on Airbnb and then we go offline and do a side negotiation. It was a complete fluke. And he's and it's like a totally normal dad of two who's an architect. And it never has it turned out quite. I mean, we'll see what happens.

1:05:39But, you know, usually things like that don't work out well.

1:05:42Jason Stewart:So far, so good. So far, so good. Yeah. OK, great. Well, let me know if you need any recommendations in the neighborhood, any reservations, et cetera, et cetera. I'll be, it'll be a lot of Instacarting. I've got caviar and Postmates pics as well. Are my Thai places still in business? Simply Thai, is that still there? I was about to say, if you grew up in LA and you lived there for so long, I'm from Atlanta and this is how I feel when I go to it. I only want, like, I'm fine to check out the new stuff if need be, but I kind of just want to do my little Chris stuff. I really don't like going out very much, and I don't really drink much anymore, and I kind of stop drinking in any really meaningful way when I quit smoking, which is interesting.

1:06:27So I don't really know what to do, dude.

1:06:30Jason Stewart:We really need to get that marijuana going for you, bud. It's sort of a non-negotiable. I know. No, I always wanted to be a stoner. The fact that you're using loop pedals and you don't smoke weed is crazy. Listen, I know. It's a bummer. Maybe if you grow it yourself, and that's the way it's spiritually, you use your own hands and it adjusts to your gut microbiome and it doesn't make you allergic. I don't know what it is. I've tried. You know, here, I'll drop a name just because it's fun, right? I smoked Russell Crowe's pot, and I was like, wow, this is what it can be like? This is amazing. You smoked the Russell Crowe pack?

1:07:10Yeah. Where did you smoke the Crowe pack? Well, he and I were pals. I mean, we did a couple of movies together. And so, I mean, I smoked this pot more than once, but there was one particular occasion.

1:07:21Jason Stewart:Okay, sorry, really quick. Was this like 2001, A Beautiful Mind? Or was this two years ago, The Exorcism, when you're smoking on that Russell pack? No, by then I didn't want to smoke any more pot. That was back when a dime bag was a dime, right? Literally. The first time was when we were shooting Beautiful Mind, but we had also been drinking Jack and Coke since we wrapped at 5 p.m. This was now the first day of shooting, the day literally after the man wins for his Oscar. The Oscar, the Gladiator. Gladiator? Yeah, Gladiator. He fucking wins the Oscar. He flies back to New Jersey or whatever when we're shooting at Princeton.

1:07:59And it's the next day. and you know he's starting this movie very heady heady period um and we work all day we get there at six in the morning we work till whatever 6 p.m and then we go to the princeton whatever their bar situation is there i'm sure there's a famous place i i imagine and um and we're all living you know living there for a couple weeks and uh he's passing around the oscar um and i don't because i'm very i'm superstitious so i don't hold it because i'm i'm still at this point 31 i guess or something. I think that there's a possibility I might win one one day. It turns out I should have fucking held the Oscar.

1:08:36That might have been the last time I would have had that opportunity. But anyway, I don't hold it. Russell likes Jack and Cokes. Now, at the time, I was a daily drinker, but I wasn't drinking Jack and Cokes. I was drinking, maybe I would have Jack actually straight up, but you could manage, you could see what you were drinking, right? And I would have vodka like a gimlet or something but jack and cokes for hours and hours and hours and then his pot i was paralyzed uh i was i was up all fucking night and i had a friend of mine who was staying with me because we were we were writing something together and i was like crying to him like my mother right like i was he had to essentially stay up stay up with me so i was up the entire fucking night on the first day of shooting of this kind of big movie and then go to work the next day and I don't know how much you remember that luckily I didn't have to do much in this scene there's a scene where he and Josh are playing chess and we're all standing around it's funny because it's the shot they used in all the newspapers I remember when the film came out and I just remember having I took a bunch of Ativan so I could because I had horrible vertigo and I couldn't function and I just remember just standing there and just staring at this one fucking chess piece so that you know i wouldn't throw up or pass out or fall over for 12 hours just stare at that one chess piece um and you know ben russell completely fought doing the american accent you know just fucking flown in that's what separates that separates the pros and by pros i mean alcoholics from the regular people you know what i mean also it's what separates i think like australians from oh that's a good point that's actually american that's a genetic difference that's a genetic difference he's a fucking monster when we were doing the fucking actresses a movie he was bicycling to fucking work and then he would have a pack of cigarettes it wasn't even close to where we were shooting i would get out of the car and feel winded um no he's a fucking monster yeah there is a certain type of guy who goes for a run or a

1:10:42Jason Stewart:bike ride and then has that cigarette while they're still wearing their workout gear yeah i used to do it after yoga but again i was in my 20s have you seen the pictures there's the pictures now of john cougar mellencamp does this he's on he's doing sled pushes with his trainer sig in mouth i i saw something but i don't believe anything i see anymore so i was like is that ai no no it's this whole thing and actually it's funny i saw him walking on the street in new york last week smoking is like smoking is sick i think it's really like this he's like sean penn level like yeah yeah i'm gonna die literally on this hill i know i always wanted to be a real man i mean i tried real hard with the cars and the cigarettes and the booze and it just it just didn't stick we had a good run we had a good run but now you're the ultimate real man a father right that's true i did i i although the i do have a blonde son that doesn't look anything like me and And I, that's.

1:11:34What does your wife do for a living? She's a graphic designer. I mean, she's a graphic designer for a living, but she's also an illustrator and an artist. So she's in the arts, though.

1:11:45Jason Stewart:She's in the arts, but. Great upstate job. Very. Very upstate. Very, very. Go to Cafe Mutton, work on my illustrations. It's not a bad little afternoon. Yeah, where did you meet her? In my living room. It's a pretty good story. She came through with one of the homies, and you were Mr. Steal Your Girl? Not exactly. My friend... HVAC repair? What'd you say? Is she an HVAC repair person that you just were smitten by?

1:12:13Let me get a look at this. Let me get a look at this. Stop sharing my ass with a lot of work, asshole.

1:12:21My friend... My friend... We were at drinks the night. It was one of these rare periods. I've almost always been in a long-term relationship. So the longest I've ever been not in a long-term relationship would be like maybe six months or something. You get the wrong job, big dog.

1:12:35Jason Stewart:Yeah, yeah, right. So you're like a reverse BJ Novak.

1:12:47Jason Stewart:BJ's listening. He's a friend. He's a little joke. He's a little joke. Oh, that's good. There was this one relationship I had and she just kept leaving me from whatever job she was on. And finally, this last time was for real. and um and so there was this it was hadn't been long it'd been like a couple of months and i was out with my buddy greg were at the out the griffin having drinks and where's that in glendale outwater yeah outwater outwater and he was chatting up some girl and she invited him to go see some art opening or some something the next day and my friend greg had a plan to bring me and another woman so that he could tell which one of us she liked.

1:13:36It was something so convoluted. He's a real player. He had a strategy.

1:13:42Jason Stewart:He had a plan. He had a mystery style plan. He said, hey, you got the ugly one, alright? Right. No, so he calls this very beautiful friend of his who was, he had a platonic relationship, this woman named Melissa Keller, who was like a you know she was like a sports illustrated model and uh but somehow they were pals i don't really know how this worked out and melissa said oh let me bring my friend of a friend of mine and then that was roxanne and roxanne said let me bring a friend of mine that was merit so then i had to bring i had to order a third guy and that was my friend julian who i grew up with and who was the most nervous and paralyzed uh by the just the sight of a woman um and i had to lie to him and I had to just say we were all going to go to this art gallery.

1:14:27So he didn't. So the girls didn't know what was going on and he didn't know what was going on. But Greg's plan was if the girls are attractive or whatever, we're just going to stay in the house. I was like, so we're going to what? Lock the doors like a safe room. Like I don't understand this. How is this going to work, Greg? Because he told Melissa, we're going to go to this art opening. And then she told her friends that we're going to an art opening. But Greg's plan was we're going to trap them in my house.

1:14:52Jason Stewart:Doors locked from the outside, ladies. Go ahead and take your shoes off. It's going to be a while. Another Goldschlager. And Julian thought it was just going to be some dudes going to an art show. Wow. A lot of moving parts here. That is a lot. A lot of moving parts. Julian didn't know we're bringing sand to the beach. It's a whole thing. So suffice it to say, I was in the toilet when everyone showed up having some kind of IBS episode. And I literally came out of the IBS episode and into the, you know, foyer or whatever of my house. And there was this woman, Roxanne, who was Melissa's friend. And she was like the most beautiful woman that I had ever seen.

1:15:37But like, not just pretty, like, like, you know, really like from the end, like everybody who met her, you know, and meets her just, you know, she's like really. beautiful from the inside out. It was insane and like super nice. And it was, and didn't know anything like had no, I had never, she went to Waldorf school. You know what that is? It's like she's basically Amish. So she didn't know your little ass. She was like, I ain't seen any of your little arcs. She didn't know anything except some Nick at night. She only knew how you smelled.

1:16:08Jason Stewart:Yeah. She only knew you had a stomach thing. Yeah. And she, you know, she, and then her friend Merritt and they all played violin and like we were so one thing we do we just had game night basically and eventually we came clean you know that they were like why don't we go into this art opening oh well we're not once they'd had a six pack of dos equis you're able to tell the truth yeah right right so i anyway uh and i was like well i can't go out with this girl uh because you know i don't think i'm ready to get married because it just came out of this fucking colossal mind fuck of a relationship but i also just met this person that you would normally be like okay it's time to settle that you know what i mean like this oh i see and so it was a long road to finally guys love this sorry baby i just i know where this is gonna go and i'm not ready that usually goes over super well yeah yeah i know well the thing of it is she too had come out of a but she had moved to los angeles with her boyfriend and they had just broken up so it just seemed like a bad time for everybody but in the end you know we stayed with each other for a long time and we ended up having kids and getting married.

1:17:17Beautiful. And she's totally sane. Well, we still got some time. You know what I mean? We still got some time. No, no. Listen, I always said I would break her, and I definitely... I don't know if I've killed her spirit, but I've definitely... Dimmed her light. I've dimmed her light.

1:17:36Jason Stewart:She's been maimed. Yeah. But I feel like... She can get away, but not far. But we're in our 16th year or something crazy. We're not even sure. I think 16 or 17. It was election year, 2008. So whatever that is. And no, she's still really fantastic. Okay, which songs on the new record are about her? Is it stuck with me? No, there's an entire record that is. No, but there is a whole record that is about her. More or less. Called Stranger's Morning. It's when we broke up briefly when I was given the shit or get off the pot option. Wow you and I have the same life And you said I'm not in the headspace And then she said the fuck you aren't Ring time bitch That's one of my favorite Jason stories One of my favorite Jason stories We won't recall that here on the pod But it's a classic Okay but yeah I did want to plug the new record That is out as we are landing this plane There is a new record I'm trying to think if anything's about her Oh there's a hidden track that's literally all about her It's very specifically and recalls this this meeting it was just with a four track and it's 15 minutes after you think the record oh wow you really are there you bring bring secret hidden tracks back brother seriously i'll fast forward this they're on all of my records they're on all five of them okay so you've you're not into this you're true to this you've been leaving secret secret tracks this whole entire time this whole time they're little turds 10 or 15 minutes after the uh after the final explosive A turd in the diamond, not a diamond in the rough.

1:19:14Jason Stewart:But speaking of turd, I see we have a kind of a diarrhea brown marble vinyl release. Is that what's going on?

1:19:23Jason Stewart:It's a swirl. I mean, it kind of looks like a high res image of Jupiter. Jason, we call them variants in the biz. It's a doo-doo variant. Doo-doo variant. I tried to get one of these guys to do one of those zoetrope things. You know about those vinyls? with those other trips, but it was too complicated and nobody could do it. And so, I mean, nobody wanted to do it. Sure. They would have found a way for Taylor Swift, but for you - I was turned down by a bunch of Instagram influencers who used the other trips. That was a good feeling. But anyway - So they said, best I can do is brown, beige, galaxy.

1:19:58I can do shit brown, bro. Mm-hmm. No, shit brown is like one of my favorite colors. In fact, it's what our friend's daughter calls it family color. because everything we own is like some variant of tan. Family color. Your beige agenda is what we call that in my household. You have a beige agenda. At the Clown Goldberg. You know, that's another thing. I'm not going to say I started beige. Here we go. But if you go on kind of Instagram, like what's the sort of subset of kind of, I guess, East Side. Well, maybe there were wellness influencers that became anti-vaxxers or where everything is, if you look at their whole grid, it's all this kind of brown, glowy.

1:20:42You're saying that's your shit. You started that. Well, sadly, yeah. I'm saying that was appropriated.

1:20:47Jason Stewart:Brown, glowy is what you... I mean, how many pairs of khaki dickies have we owned since childhood? I mean, a lot. I actually don't wear khaki much anymore. There's too many stains, too many embarrassing stains. Be brave, brother. Be brave. All that transmission fluid and Dijon mustard. Eat less hot dogs. Yeah, eat less hot dogs. Yes, yes. All right, Adam, thank you for joining us on How Long Gone. We're actually going to, we're doing something in LA when you're there. What are you going to do? We're doing an event with Paul Smith at the store on Melrose. We're doing like a podcast and a party and shit.

1:21:19So we'll invite you if you're. But is everyone going to be out front doing that against the wall? No, actually, we're blocking all of that with our installation. So it's going to. Can we just spray paint it black? We've introduced that idea, but unfortunately it has been rejected. But we will extend the invite to you. It would be nice for you to join us because you're going to be all alone. Yeah, I would go do that. I'll bring one of my weird Alda Cocker friends. I can't wait to meet one of your friends. Yeah, I know. It was different back in the day, bro. I mean, you've never... Roger Room was cooler then.

1:21:47All right. Thank you for joining us, Adam. We appreciate it. All right, guys. And we'll see you soon. Thanks, buddy. All right, man. Later. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Thank you.