925. - Naomi Fry

20:37Naomi Fry:Yes, they rolled and it was supposed to kind of help you, I don't know what, I guess burn more calories as you walked or something. I'm not sure how it worked, but it was like that sort of like desperate, like pre-exempic time where like literally people would do anything. They would be like, I'll have like a concave shoe. I'll walk around the ball.

21:01Jason Stewart:I think the idea, it's called the anti-shoe. And I think I just shared an image of it in the chat.

21:08Naomi Fry:Oh, yes, yes, exactly.

21:10Jason Stewart:It's meant to encourage the heel-toe style walking, I believe. These are going to be, somebody's going to recommend these on Blackbird's Biplane next week. These look like a combination of kind of like an Osiris, you know, puffy DC skate shoe and a current, a modern, cool running shoe. I could see these having a moment if they didn't look insane shape-wise.

21:31Naomi Fry:Well, we're calling it now. I feel like this is on the verge of resurrection.

21:37Jason Stewart:They were first to market, I believe, but there was also, of course, the Skechers Shape Up, which stole the innovation technology of this. I've shared an image as well in the chat. You can check that out. These do look, yeah, and the Skechers are not dissimilar in shape, just uglier in style, I would say. That's debatable. And I'm going to share one more image. This could be a Y2K girly. It's a little kind of Mary Jane. No. MTV. Okay, I see. I'm not with those.

22:03Naomi Fry:I feel like this has legs. This has feet. These are ugly as hell. This is below barista right here. This is not. I mean, baddie wearing those. In our age, Nomi, maybe you don't remember this because you probably weren't pouring over the pages of your dad's Sports Illustrated the way that I was. But there was the shoe that taught you how to jump during the Michael Jordan era. That does sound familiar. A spring-like contraption on the front toe box. Oh, on the front toe box? I thought it was more. Oh, okay, yes. They would allow you to train. And I've maintained that if I practiced for a year, I could learn to dunk.

22:41If I was with a basketball trainer. But I would want to employ the use of those shoes because I think they look so cool. Yes. Just a little help, a little bump, if you will.

22:50Jason Stewart:Those shoes were called the strength shoes.

22:52Naomi Fry:A little shoe talk.

22:53Jason Stewart:A little shoe talk up top, right? Yeah.

22:55Naomi Fry:I just got new spring Vans. Spring Vans?

22:59Jason Stewart:Okay. Do you buy your Vans seasonally?

23:01Naomi Fry:Yeah.

23:02Jason Stewart:What flavor?

23:02Naomi Fry:what flavor i like the sort of like cream the cream color just like you know classic classic low-top vans what don't they go with uh what don't they go with exactly and i had them for a long time and they were like really looking rough and i i i kind of gave up and threw them out um and so i got a new pair that's that's bad i've i've unfortunately my two pairs of cooked vans are some of my favorite shoes that i own no i know i loved it i love them I love them and in fact I feel like I thought I had kept maybe like a hot through them out or

23:38Jason Stewart:something like we actually talked about this a few months ago in the podcast about me I was trying to come up with the formula to quickly add a patina to a pair of new vans or converse or whatever kind of canvas shoe where you you know the best way to do it you know go on a European vacation where I'm at the beach they get a little salt water sun bleaching that's in that that's how you get that great van's patina and i was trying to come up with like a some type of seaweed kombu dashi broth that you think i remember oh yes i do remember them sitting out in the sun like a like how you would make fish sauce or a sun-dried tomato perhaps yeah i love when sauces sit out in the sun that's one of my favorite ways to kind of go to go old school just send your send your shoes over to the house and i've got a couple formulas i've been whipping up what we used to do with Converse back in the, you know, obviously in the 90s, you'd run them over with your car.

24:29Naomi Fry:Wow, that's a very suburban, that's a very suburban activity. You just go back and forth. Look, where I come from, we did have cars, and I'm not trying to boast.

24:37Jason Stewart:That sounds like MTV jackass type behavior, bro. That's a little psychotic to me. No one's foot was in the shoe, just to be clear. The shoe was on its own. Dude, freaking put my shoes on the ground, freaking run it over the shopping cart. It's not even a big deal. I don't even care. Not even a big, not even. All right, so you've been doing some, have you bought anything? I think because I saw it last time I saw you, Nomi, you were rocking a new high-end handbag if you want to tell our listeners about your Bottega purchase. You got another one for our damn podcast money. Let's go.

25:06Naomi Fry:Yes, exactly. That is what it is.

25:11Naomi Fry:It's true, Chris. I'm actually still very happy with this bag. I got it on the RealReal. It is a Bottega. It's kind of like pretty small. It's like a purse. I mean, it's nice size for a purse. It's not like a tiny thing where you can put anything. You know that I've been shamed for saying purse. Because it's kind of like an old lady in Massachusetts term. I was like, I just, handbag sounds a little fussy to me. But purse sounds a little Adam and Steve as well, though. I think purse is totally fine. And if that's what my mom would say, then I feel comfortable saying it. Yeah, it's kind of a mom word.

25:49Naomi Fry:But I think it's a purse because it's not a tote.

25:51Jason Stewart:I think it's just a bag. I think the purse means connotates a female well yeah and a female is carrying this bag so therefore it's a fucking purse

26:00Naomi Fry:it's true in my case I am surprisingly a female sometimes I can't believe it myself I'm sorry that Jason's doing this he's misgendering me

26:11Jason Stewart:I'm not misgendering you I'm saying you guys are toxic for gendering a bag especially from the Bottega Venata house if I'm going to be toxic for something on National Trans Awareness Day of all days If I'm going to be toxic for something, I would say gendering a bag I'm comfortable with. That's the one place that I'm feeling. Hey, I gender the bag. Hey, come it up. My pronouns are me spend. But how would you describe the color?

26:36Naomi Fry:Okay, so I would describe it. It's a very distinct and kind of like pretty shocking blue. Yeah, I loved it. And it's, you know what? I'm not sure what blue it is. I did notice that Loewe has exactly this blue in one of their -

26:58Jason Stewart:So it's sort of a primary blue.

27:00Naomi Fry:Newly redesigned Amazona bags. It's sort of like a very striking - Let me - Okay, what blue is this?

27:09Jason Stewart:Would it be Cerulean? Could it be -

27:11Naomi Fry:Cerulean? Yeah.

27:13Jason Stewart:Because they have Ceruleans, but they also have a good amount of baby blue bags, as well as something with a little touch of green. it's a bit you know what it's a maybe a bit of an let's see uh ultramarine

27:27Naomi Fry:this is good podcasting right here guys yes this is fascinating i think it's an ultramarine i think it's an ultramarine i thought that was a frank ocean song but you're saying it's a color no bro that's addison ray song bro oh i'm sorry i'm sorry It's an ultramarine and it punches you right between the eyes. And it has, you know, the classic Bottega, what's it called? Like, I don't know how to pronounce it. No one knows how to say that. I don't know how to say it.

28:00Jason Stewart:Intrecciato. It's the woven leather that we all know and love.

28:05Naomi Fry:The woven leather. And, you know, as a young girl, I could never have imagined that I, Nomi Fry, would be toting around an ultramarine inter-chiato batiga bag from the RealReal. It was good value, I have to say. Shout out to my friends at the RealReal. But it was a good value because you were using a credit they gave you or a good value because of their great service and the way their business is set up? Well, I just think it was, I feel like it was like very good or even excellent condition, but the price was right. It wasn't, it was like maybe. Thank you for using the real, real terms there.

28:47Naomi Fry:Under$500. I don't remember exactly how much it was. Under$500? Yeah, it was cheap. That is a great value. That's what I'm saying, great value. Next time, let me know. I'll send it to my authenticator. I'll say that the. Yeah, right. Okay. I will say that I think what the benefit of this is that blue color for someone like you works every day. And it works perfectly. It looks great. For other people, that would be an extreme flavor. And maybe it was too far for them. And they had to go to a black or brown because they didn't have the swagoo to pull off the blue. Right. And I think you benefited from lack of swag is what I'm trying to say.

29:26Naomi Fry:Okay, great. Someone else's lack of swag is your gain. Yeah.

29:30Jason Stewart:A few follow-up questions. know me as a as a value enjoyer you're not a bargain hunter but you enjoy good value yes were you concerned with the the price per wear or the cost per wear on a handbag that is such a striking blue primary color that will not necessarily go with anything and everything despite your high levels of swagoo.

29:54Naomi Fry:Right. I mean, I will say that my palette is muted, usually.

30:01Jason Stewart:Hey, shorty palette muted, though.

30:04Naomi Fry:I am currently wearing, as you guys can see, but the listeners at home won't, a gray.

30:10Jason Stewart:Was that Yeezy season 3 or 4? I don't remember what that was.

30:13Naomi Fry:No, it's J.Crew. Okay, so you're wearing a J.Crew sweater in gray, which is the most muted tone on earth, I would say. so you know i wear gray i wear like blue you are gray grayish blue grayish brown yeah so i don't really you know i i don't really do a ton of color and so having that pop of color in the guys of this this bag seemed okay i think it's great and like i wouldn't i wouldn't like what i would be more concerned with i know some people like get like a white bag and i'm like how do you get a white bag like that for me i'm like so i'm pretty messy i'm not like a pristine person by any means so i feel like you have cats for christ's sake you know what i mean this there's look like shit and

31:06Jason Stewart:all of your products are going to open up and explode inside of there yeah like ink stains all of your road cosmetics. Yes. A white bag is a person that has a lot of bags, I think is what I would guess. I prefer a white vial to a bag. It doesn't transport as well, but it seems like a more classy. Nomi, have you been following along to the packet guy? Packet. There's a young British gentleman who's traveling the world and he calls cocaine packet and he's going to every country and trying the packet and rating it. No, you're kidding. And it's really, really good. I mean, he looks so British that it's insane.

31:46Like, you couldn't have made him up in a laboratory.

31:48Naomi Fry:Is he doing this on TikTok or Instagram or where? I see it on Twitter.

31:51Jason Stewart:It's across all social platforms, I'm assuming. But it's across all socials.

31:55Naomi Fry:Okay, so you guys, this is what I'm missing because I don't know, we haven't discussed this, I don't think, but I am taking a social media break. Well, I told Jason, I told Jason, you go through these ups and downs with the platforms. So healthy. What happens? You just feel crazy and you're like, I got to stop? I feel crazy. I feel like people are crazy. I feel like I am constantly checking it, like constantly, like a crazy person. And I'm just like, this can't be good. This can't be good. Are you bricking or are you doing this natty? No, I'm doing it natty. I am just deactivating. I deactivated both Twitter and Instagram.

32:35Jason Stewart:I looked up both of your Twitter and Instagram today. no results found queen i know so you're saying you when you deactivate you can come back at any time you don't lose your posting history all those john mayer birthday wishes are still there

32:48Naomi Fry:yes i think with twitter i think with instagram you can do it for as long as you want i think with twitter if it's under 30 days then you can come back okay so you got to tap back in and then redo okay sure i feel like i'll need to that's actually a good room i should i should do that because I wouldn't want to lose the archives as well as the followers. Sure. Who are near and dear. I think you're obviously right. But I want to say that there is a fry-sized hole in my heart. Thank you. Because your content is classic down-the-middle social media stuff. It really hits the nail on the head. You know what I mean?

33:29It's not controversial. It has personality. It has insight. You know what I mean? But also as a journalist now, your job is to promote yourself with your face online, from what I keep hearing. So that is— I know. She lets the good people of The New Yorker do that for her, Chris, while she enjoys her social media break. You're saying the Condé Nast Corporation doesn't have their foot on your—their boot on your neck to get those posts up.

33:51Naomi Fry:No, they don't so far, at least. Yeah. I feel like what I'm feeling right now, this is not the intention. I'm doing it for me. I'm choosing me with this decision. to take a step back. You're doing you. But I am maybe creating, you know, scarcity. Like, I'm like, maybe I'm actually thinking ahead. And once I return, the hunger for my content might be.

34:24Jason Stewart:It's called album mode. You're leaving them wanting more. It's, you know, it's Olivia Rodrigo deleting all of her posts.

34:34Naomi Fry:Which is very different. That is not my usual mode. Usually I just, I don't care about like posting a million times and stuff like that. I'm just like.

34:41Jason Stewart:Do you think there's going to be a time when the internet is going to be like, oh shit, Fry went dark again, new Vanderpump story coming out soon, eminently, you know? Yeah. She cleared her grid.

34:52Naomi Fry:Well, speaking of Vanderpump, you guys, I, so first of all, Valley's coming back. Okay. Valley's coming back this week, I think. But who's participating is the question. Everybody is back. I mean Jax isn't back I think What's the point right? How do you think he's earning money from his The bar? Or is that closed? The bar is done I think the bar is done I feel like he's probably I feel like he still has He might still have his podcast Which is called something like Measure of a Man or something I think so And also you know maybe he's doing appearances And stuff I'm sure he does shit like that.

35:34Naomi Fry:Yeah. And I don't know. You guys are on social media. You should check in what he's doing. Like if he's like announcing.

35:43Jason Stewart:I just Googled it. I saw the Valley's Jax Taylor cancels entire podcast tour amid backlash for behavior. So the pod doesn't seem to be doing well at the moment. I feel for him. Poor fella. I don't know.

35:55Naomi Fry:Maybe he's finally stepping up as a father to young Cruz. He's not going to say, if you named your kid Cruz with a Z, you're a bad father. There's no coming back from that. That's child abuse, I would say. That's worse than some of the other stuff he's done. I'll be watching. I was pleasantly surprised at how good Vanderpump was. They were able to find 10 more of the worst people on earth and put them into restaurant jobs. And the whole storyline with the two cousins and the OnlyFans. Really good. It's such a modern twist. Jason, just so you're clear, there's two hot cousins.

36:28Jason Stewart:What do you finally relate to on the show? There's two hot cousins that they discover on OnlyFans sort of oiling each other up. Not going all the way. There's no hog touching.

36:36Naomi Fry:So there's no penetration. I don't even think they're playing swords. I don't even think they're playing swords. They're not playing swords. There is some touching, but the touching is plausible. There's plausible deniability as to the incest claims. Soft core erotic incest. I'm familiar with the genre. If we work out a lot together and my muscles are sore, I need someone to rub them with oil. why not my cousin if we're monetizing it? I don't see a problem with that, personally. Yeah. No, I agree. And I love this cast. Like, I really, you know, it made me think a lot about things and kind of, like, get in touch with a lot of things about myself.

37:15Naomi Fry:It's hard to explain.

37:17Jason Stewart:Well, we're going to explain it because that's a – Thankfully, we have a long-form podcast to do just that.

37:23Naomi Fry:I mean, I will say I did write about it. So listeners, if they want to tap in, they can go to the New Yorker website and read my piece on Vanderpump, which came out like a month ago. But there is a new vulnerability to this generation of servers and bar keeps.

37:46Jason Stewart:This generation of food and beverage employees.

37:49Naomi Fry:Yes, which I felt was like really. Bar keeps.

37:52Jason Stewart:Another pint of mead for my...

37:56Naomi Fry:A lusty bar wench. Which seemed different and new and kind of interesting. And they were very kind of like... I mean, of course, they're like dummies wanting to make it in the entertainment industry. And they have these mercenary preoccupations and whatever. But I felt like they really went in with the vulnerability and were kind of like... I mean, there's the character Shane who doesn't even work at the bar. Jason they found like a hot himbo sober guy Who just hangs out there He doesn't even work at the restaurant He's the coolest guy of all time I love him He's one of those guys who's like I told her I didn't want anything serious I told her I'm not in a position actually To get into anything serious I'm sober And it works every time And it works but I will say That he's very like And a lot of them are kind of very like 12 step coded, like very like slaw coded, like talking to talk, but it seems sincere.

38:59I have to say, like, I feel like Shane really suffered.

39:03Naomi Fry:Oh, I know what I loved. He was talking about his erectile dysfunction a lot. And he said, so he, he basically, so he grew up with a lot of drugs. His father also named Shane with a Y was like, he was like smoking crack with his dad.

39:21Jason Stewart:Shane's my father's name. Yeah. Call me Shane. Shane is my father.

39:25Naomi Fry:Call me Shane.

39:29He grew up with a lot of trauma in the trailer.

39:31Naomi Fry:He grew up with a lot of trauma in the trailer. He was like, by age 12, he was like smoking meth with like the parents. Yeah, he's the kind of guy who did drugs with his parents young. That's the darkest shit on earth. It's so dark. It's like super dark. I don't know if he's from Florida, but it's very Florida. Where is he from? No, it's giving Arizona. Oh, Arizona. So we got Gummo on the cast of Vanderpump this season? Is that what's going on? Gummo, but he looks like a Disney hunk. Yeah, he's a hunk. He's a classic hunk from like 1994. Hot Gummo. He's got a giant head. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by our new sponsor, Car Gurus.

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41:30Naomi Fry:As part of his criminal, you know, as part of his drug lore, he got shot at and he has like, you know, the scars to prove it. And because he got shot, it's not totally clear to me, but that's what he said. he can't get hard naturally but all he does is fuck chicks but all he does is fuck chicks so the viagra is like working overtime and he said the line i have to take viagra for me that's just life i have to take viagra every time and he's just like fully admitting it and it doesn't take away from his whatever virility like he's like uh you know he's a guy he's like a lady killer but he's fine.

42:16Naomi Fry:He's like, yeah, I can't get hard. It's okay. It's all good. Much like Jack Harlow, he's vanilla baby.

42:26Naomi Fry:Wow.

42:27Jason Stewart:Let's go pay some bills. Yeah, I mean, I think Shane is a rock star. I think also there's a, Jason, I told you about this. There's a woman on there that reminds me a lot of Emily Oberg.

42:38Naomi Fry:She looks like Oberg. She really looks like Oberg. She looks like Yossified Oberg in a way that freaked me out a little bit. Overall though, I think I just didn't expect much. She's like the hottie. Yeah, she's the hottest one. She's like the hottie, but she's also the most mentally ill probably out of all of them, which is saying a lot, don't you think? She's like the most troubled. I like when everybody got mad at her because she picked a guy from the airport and they were like, oh my God, you must really like him. LAX guy, yeah. It's like, this bitch doesn't work. Why would she not pick someone up from the airport?

43:13She's got nothing else to do. They can't get Jelena.

43:15Naomi Fry:And then she gets a boob job towards the end of the season. She gets some big boy yabas. And it looks crazy. She was very pretty before and well proportioned. She didn't go tasteful with the cup size. She went too many cc's. Not to use industry terms. Too many units. Under the muscle. I don't even know what that means.

43:40Jason Stewart:26 double G under the muscle. No, but it's just like also I think when you're on these shows and I see your like depressing apartment and you wear like a matching set with cat hair on it every day.

43:53Naomi Fry:Hey. Not the matching set for me, but the cat hair certainly. Well, the best part about her is that she also lives with her ex and you never see him. Yeah. So she's like she's out here dating, getting new yabos, picking up guys in the airport, but she lives with a toxic ex because they couldn't like figure it out. Turns the end she moved. She moved from Beverly Grove. Good dick is good dick. The Beverly Grove area to I believe West Hollywood.

44:19Jason Stewart:Not a monumental shift in location, but yeah.

44:21Naomi Fry:It's my piece that a lot of them as opposed to the - 0.7 mile, yeah.

44:25Jason Stewart:That's a walk.

44:26Naomi Fry:As opposed to the OG Vanderpump where of course they all lived in West Hollywood. This was like 2013 in like shitty apartments, but they all, you know, were right there next to store. No, there are people living an hour away. Yeah, they live in like, there's a, So Venus, who's like the gay server, lives in Winnetka, I believe, which is like deep, deep, deep in the valley from what I understand. I love the type of gay guy who's got prettier hair than a woman. Like I don't really – I don't encounter – I encounter hot gay guys that just look straight most of my life. Sure. This guy has hair down to his back that the first thing Alex said when he came on screen was like, oh, my God.

45:03Like his hair.

45:04Naomi Fry:And he's a redhead. But he's never had sex with a man. He did not have, never. He's been celibate for seven years. That's another part of the vulnerability. He's crying all the time. Let me ask you a question, Fry. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. I mean, can you really, I mean, can you be gay if you're not? I don't know. So you're saying he's actually asexual. I feel like you have to take or give penis. If you're not performing the act. To be gay. Doing that once, I mean. Right. In a graveyard. He lost his virginity in a graveyard, I believe. Okay, Danzig. That is unbelievable.

45:46Naomi Fry:I could talk about this for like seven hours. I know. These people are really, they don't seem quite as dark, but maybe it's because it's early days. You know what I mean? They don't have the demons of fame yet, I would say. It's not the demons of fame. It's just the demons of regular ass, depressing life. These are just demons. The restaurants are hurting I mean she just sold Pump and TomTom I know She's underwater TomTom has been closed since 2024 I believe But yes TomTom is for sale Guys should we buy it I mean there's been discussion in some of the group chats It's like should we go all in It'd be cheaper than Allbirds I mean I think it could be Yeah if we could get it for less than Allbirds And we could I think we could reopen it Sort of as a museum piece but also functioning As a bar So nothing goes, I would say decor wise, it stays exactly the same.

46:39Jason Stewart:Run it like a Barney's Beanery. All the charm is there. All the photos on the walls are all there. Jason, I think we should actually, Friday, next time we're both in LA, I think we should have Jason do his sort of organic artisanal take on the goat cheese ball. That's a great idea. What would Jason's chef-y take be on the famed appetizer from the Vanderpump universe? the goat cheese ball which is the most ordered on the menu i've never had one myself i've had i've had them a couple times how would you rate them on a scale of one to ten uh i would give it like a six you know what i'm saying like it's giving bowling alley food to me it's giving bowling alley food but like smaller portions okay so you're saying at a bowling alley you really belly up to the bar you get a fat ass plate of goat cheese balls and onion rings exactly let me get a dozen Keep them coming.

47:33Jason Stewart:So for our listeners at home, I just Googled it. It is a little ball. It's kind of like an arancini. It's just a little ball of goat cheese that's kind of crusted and breadcrumbs and fried.

47:44Naomi Fry:I think it's like four to a serve. Four to a serve. Four to an order. Four to an order, I think.

47:49Jason Stewart:But served alongside Sir's mango dipping sauce.

47:53Naomi Fry:The mango dipping sauce. But Fry, you would say these are one bite. This isn't a two-biter. It's not a two-biter unless you're like - Even for a woman, even for a dainty woman. I carry a purse, and yet I bite down on the cheese ball.

48:11Jason Stewart:Well, I mean, Chris will eat a whole biscuit in one bite. Have you seen the biscuit? Oh, you're off social media. There's a big guy ordering Popeyes, and he puts the entire Popeyes biscuit in his mouth like it's a chip. And people are like, what? Somebody, I saw a comment saying he ate that biscuit like a DVD player. just like put the thing in his mouth and like a... It's so good. Oh, God. The way he sort of flips it in this way, it has a lot of sauce to the ingestion. He's letting you know it's not his first time.

48:43Naomi Fry:I want to hear more about the guy with the packet because it's just like a 20-year-old British guy wearing like a fucking Fred Perry shirt with like a bad haircut being like, all right, mate.

48:52Jason Stewart:Yeah, his slang is perfect and he goes around. I like the irony or the double-sidedness of our friend of the show, Jeremy O 'Harris, getting locked up for having a little half a shmeg in his pocket.

49:06Naomi Fry:Is he going to try this in Japan? Is the guy going to try it in Japan?

49:09Jason Stewart:He's all over. He's like, I tried the Coke in China, and I'll rate it a 7.6 on the classic scale of what I'm normally doing in London town. He'll do the price breakdown in pounds and euros and the native currency.

49:25Naomi Fry:So it's service journalism.

49:26Jason Stewart:it is precisely service journalism but he's admitting to crimes does he also say how to score in different countries yeah yeah i mean he's not like here's the number but he's like all right you go into this bridge and you follow this guy here it's it's honestly under the bridge downtown it's amazing it's like exactly yeah he's like you'll find a man who's selling like hats and coffee mugs and he'll say you want a shirt or you want a bag and you say no man i want the packet and he'll just say, come with me. It's so good. His accent is crazy. He's not from London, obviously. He is from - Speaks about cocaine with a sommelier's reverence of the craft.

50:04Naomi Fry:Right. It reminds me of, remember when it started, there were water sommeliers? Yes, yeah, yeah. They still exist. Sort of needless, or not needless, I guess, but kind of like the next stage. like we're doing sommelier stuff now for like you can do it for anything right to me it's part of

50:25Jason Stewart:book report culture where we we people all the a sect of people who can't just enjoy something or talk about something they have to like make a do a deep dive report on it and become you haven't

50:35Naomi Fry:been to you haven't been to swig have you fry uh in utah that well there's they have other locations i'm finding out because there's a new chrisley show and they go in nashville not not that you're going to any of these places but jason i've talked about swig and he was actually quite interested in hitting we will hit swig eventually i mean our friend uh hannah goldfield did a few months ago she did she went to utah and went to the like the soda places uh and did like a whole a whole it's called about it it's fascinating but i've never i've never done it and it also sounds like whenever they go in like mormon wives or something it always sounds very gross to me it's like really not my thing in terms of like same taste from a taste perspective it's for people who are afraid of alcohol but want to eat candy they're not afraid of alcohol jason their religion doesn't allow them to have it but they're allowed to have premarital they're allowed to have sex with other people besides their wife or husband and also they're allowed they when they go they're like 22 years old 7 kids getting Botox for no reason but the reason is that they want to do the nitros because when they go to get Botox for some reason they're allowed to have laughing gas I need to find that doctor I'm about to come back looking like damn Ryan Seacrest

52:01Jason Stewart:well the thing is they don't have to get the nitrous they choose and it's another Mormon loophole.

52:09Naomi Fry:No, no, they don't have to, of course. Chris goes and gets LASIK.

52:12Jason Stewart:He says, I'm gonna do this shit raw dog like a man. Very impressive. It's not impressive. But these Mormons are like, give me the nitrous, please. Can I have the nitrous? I feel like maybe that offer only exists in Mormon communities. Like, if I feel like if I went to Madison Avenue to get Botox, they'd be like, lay down, pussy. There would be no offer of that.

52:31Naomi Fry:No, I've never heard of this. I've never heard of this. That's cool. Well, you're familiar with Soaking. Yes. Who amongst us? Yes. Soaking is one of the most twisted things ever to exist. Did you guys watch the first season of Jury Duty? Yeah. That show? I did not. I found it very funny. I don't know what you thought, Jason.

52:53Jason Stewart:No, very good. I actually just watched the first couple episodes of season two last night.

52:58Naomi Fry:Okay. I haven't. Okay. How is it? Does it seem to be as funny?

53:02Jason Stewart:On the good side, it's still the same formula, still funny, still those crazy moments. On the odd, maybe bad side, the production value increased a lot, and now it looks just like The Office, and it feels like The Office. Oh, I see. Is there a Dwight character? Yeah, so it's like The Office. Everyone is an actor except if The Office had one real actual human being.

53:26Naomi Fry:Who doesn't know that it's all like a Truman Show situation.

53:29Jason Stewart:but the thing i like about it is it's like a prank show but they're pranking they find somebody who's just like the most genuine earnest kind good sold person of all time yeah and then prank them into displaying that on live television so it's like very for like weeks yeah it's very heartwarming

53:47Naomi Fry:and earnest it was very good the first one was very good natured uh but also really funny and it had a lot of funny like small kind of like comedians and like small funny roles and james marston was like the celebrity because it was a jury it was the the situation was a jury duty and james jimmy marston was like the the celebrity who's put on a jury and he was playing himself

54:11Jason Stewart:and he was just small enough to be plausible and it was it was perfect but you you were but what

54:16Naomi Fry:does this have to do with soaking yeah it was really good so there is a guy there is a soaking there's a memorable soaking scene where there's a guy who's like very religious um and is like i can i can get it in but i can't move it and then jimmy marston jumps on the bed yeah yeah yeah that's well this is because sometimes i get um on my on my reels page i will get the the sort of man on the street videos they do those at mormon school campuses so it'll be like at BYU it'll be like a guy be like alright so like basically giving scenarios to hot Mormon chicks about what they would do like bad things they would do or not do because it would send them to hell and it's like the version there's one of the Hawaii campus where they just ask you what you're listening to and they say like weird Hawaiian music no one's ever heard of and it's like harmless this is that but everyone's saying something so fucked up but they're like blonde hair blue eyed volleyball players so it's a lot to take

55:20Jason Stewart:they're like would you rather kill a black guy or jaywalk and they're like it's literally like that it's so crazy would you rather have sex before marriage or kill your mom and they're like sorry kill my mom

55:34Naomi Fry:so long mama

55:37Jason Stewart:I saw a video unfortunately because Mormonism just seems like a made up loophole and a lot of other religions sort of have these weird little things no shade to the Jewish people but you know you're going to turn the light off for me and I can't do this. Oh, sure.

55:51Naomi Fry:The Shabbos goy.

55:53Jason Stewart:The Shabbos goy.

55:54Naomi Fry:You can do my Shabbos goy. I would love to.

55:56Jason Stewart:That'd be a good job for Jason. And you're also tall.

55:59Naomi Fry:So if I need to change the light bulb.

56:03Jason Stewart:I could do it with such ease. I wouldn't have to use one of my devices. It's perfect. Yes. But all that is to say, now that we are in the AI tech space, we've got robots running the world delivering our groceries and stuff. I saw the Mormon soaking bed where it's literally a bed that's on these like AI controlled pneumatic lifts where you lay on it. And it like adjusts to the bodies on the bed and it moves the bed for you in a way that might work out well for your soakage.

56:37Naomi Fry:That's crazy. That's smart. That's good. That's just good business. But is that how they promote it? Or is it one of those things where it's like before women were allowed to have vibrators, it was called like a neck massager or something?

56:50Jason Stewart:Could be.

56:51Naomi Fry:Do you know what I mean?

56:51Jason Stewart:Could be something like that. I think soaking beds have been around for a while. And I think just now, Gen Z is finding new ways to innovate in the space. It's a collaboration with Great Jones. So it's in these great colors. It's like in some super great, like vibrant colors. It's great. It's great. Yeah, I just have been taking it. Yeah, soaking on stolen land. Oh, my God. Is there a more high thing? I mean, I've been searching for something, Jason. God damn it. There's a hat. I just saw a Mormon hat on Etsy. Soaking ain't sinning is sort of their motto. That's the YOLO motto.

57:30Naomi Fry:I'm getting that. I always hated religion, but I finally found one, and I can't be a part of it. That's it? You're converting. I would convert if it made sense.

57:38Jason Stewart:um fry i wanted to i want to talk about a couple things first of all i was listening to your your podcast that you do for the with the new yorker you and two other people not just you but critics at large listen in critics at large available wherever you stream a podcast uh you did an episode a couple weeks ago about love story the the jfk jr show yes and you know sort of the the general consensus was yes this show is is bad but you know my ass is still seated and watching it despite everything like so many other shows has your opinion on the show changed now that we've seen all of it and we've seen you know mark ronson's wife deliver this heartfelt monologues and you know did they tie it up in a bow for you or are you still a hater okay so i have to say i

58:26Naomi Fry:actually did not continue to watch i watched like the first like i don't know five episodes or something um dude i came in i thought i thought um ron's i thought grace ronson's wife was good i mean i i thought you know there there are things to recommend the show uh it was i didn't stop watching because it was like so horrible i just uh you know there's lots to watch you guys I got sidetracked One thing I did enjoy In the show Was like It's nice to be taken back to the 90s Everything is so That's I think the major takeaway Is that I think that's what people Because this story is very well known It's like there's new information being revealed In this show But I came in Friday And Alex was bawling Rest of the day she was fucked up from the last episode

59:21Jason Stewart:Carolyn and I watched that last episode and both of us were bawling she was crying the whole time I will get misty if I'm caught in an emotional moment I'll feel my eyes kind of welling up rarely do tears fall but this was the tear was falling I didn't know you were a bitch but I will watch it I'll take it in and I'll check it out all because of Grace Gummer yeah double g's throw your g's up we gotta get grace on the pod when i saw that i saw that mark was saying his money's drying up and his wife is eclipsing him in fame and he's gotta he's gotta get back in the lab i need another i gotta get back in the studio my fucking chick is more famous than me now playing keyboard being like money drop my memoir money barbie movie coming up on three years now barbie's three years old my wife's popping i gotta figure some shit out he's back on It's really funny.

1:00:14That's funny. But I don't think that that, I think it's like, I mean, we were, like, we live close to Tribeca. So we're, like, around Tribeca, like, every day. The weekends, it's like, white chicks are out here, like, wearing headbands. I just haven't seen something catch on like this in a long time. Yeah. That's the fascinating. It's, like, really caught on.

1:00:35Jason Stewart:But is it better or worse than the standard sort of West Village girly outfit that has been repeated and done to death every year? Is it nice to have a little tortoiseshell headband? Well, it's based on something real. You know what I mean? It's like based on something real kind of. But I mean, I think it's cool for like a restaurant like Indochine, which sort of goes through waves, you know, like Indochine's probably packed every night. Like Bubby's is fucking, I mean, Bubby's is selling pancakes. You know what I mean? It's like good in that Indian restaurant in the East Village.

1:01:06Naomi Fry:It's good for the economy. It's a bump.

1:01:08Jason Stewart:One of the Kennedys bad for the economy. Okay, what do you think about Jack, though?

1:01:12Naomi Fry:Oh, Schloss?

1:01:13Jason Stewart:Schloss, because Carolyn has sort of admitted in so many words that she - Admitted? She told me flat out, like, I'd leave his ass. She's a Schloss enjoyer. She's like, I could upgrade to a candy. It looks like Jason. Same nose, but more money? Fuck, I'm out of here.

1:01:27Naomi Fry:You mean, like, she's into him, like, physically?

1:01:30Jason Stewart:She's sexually attracted to Jack Schlossberg. I mean, he's an attractive guy. Do you mean that your wife is sexually attracted? Nomi's like, what exactly do you mean? Say it like you mean it, okay? Say it what you mean. Use your words.

1:01:42Naomi Fry:I have never actually seen him in person or met him.

1:01:46Jason Stewart:I'm shocked by that. What about just, I mean, she's not hanging out with him. This is all Instagram. No, I understand.

1:01:53Naomi Fry:I understand. She is not making love to Jack Schlossberg.

1:01:58Jason Stewart:No, I'm just saying you should be able to form an opinion on your attraction to him without having to see him IRL.

1:02:05Naomi Fry:Yes, yes, yes. I mean, you know, he's, as you guys know, I love an older destroyed man. He's not old enough yet. He's not. He's neither.

1:02:16Jason Stewart:Okay, so you said keep the schloss, give me my Hunter Biden any day of the week.

1:02:20Naomi Fry:Oh, yeah. You got good taste. Exactly. If we're talking about like sons and scions.

1:02:26Jason Stewart:For listeners at home, Nomi just got up and opened one of the windows in her house because it's getting a little too hot in there. Well, before you were on, Nomi, I was talking about I saw Jill Biden last night and she was looking good.

1:02:37Naomi Fry:You saw her in person? She was at Ruthie Rogers' book party that Michael Bloomberg hosted. Oh, nice.

1:02:43Jason Stewart:But also, Nomi, I was talking about, yes, of course, Jill Biden was looking good. But also, you know, I pulled up some old photos of them, you know, when they're in their 30s or something like that. and I remembered that Hunter Biden is the son of Joe Biden and a young Joe Biden looks a lot like a Hunter Biden but cleaned up, sort of the devil and the angel on either shoulder. So does that mean, I mean, who's more of an old destroyed man than Sleepy Joe? I'm seeing something here. I'm seeing something here. Smart, Jason. Would you hit Joe Biden? Jason's done it again. would you sleep with Sleepy Joe

1:03:25Naomi Fry:it's by the law of like whatever equivalence or whatever it's called

1:03:29Jason Stewart:we ain't sleeping tonight oh my god it's so good

1:03:36Naomi Fry:what if it turns out I have like a huge crush on Sleepy Joe

1:03:43Jason Stewart:that's what this has all been leading up to well I said to Jason yeah because these little Vincent Gallos these Hunter Bidens that's just a little stepping stone. It's time for people who have been really in the trenches for a minute. Show me some real old dick. You know what I mean? Anyone can look at the, oh, Vinigallo. Old dick ain't a guy that was a model when he was 20. Are you really about this shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my god. You need to prove your loyalty to the old dick.

1:04:09Naomi Fry:It might be time. It might be time. It might be time. This is it. Also,

1:04:16Jason Stewart:sorry for interrupting, Chris. On the subject of the JFK Jr. show. I recall you talking about something that I wanted to maybe dive deeper into. Yes. You were, it wasn't a complaint, but I felt the energy that you were upset that the chest hair of it all, you thought, we thought chest hair was going to come back, but now it doesn't seem like it's back. You guys were talking about how his character.

1:04:41Naomi Fry:Oh, right. I know. He was here. It was right. Brad Simpson, who is one of the producers on the show, who I actually ran into last night said that it was hard to find paul kelly it was hard to find an actor partly because actors are not as their chest hair is not as abundant as hard to find a leading man who's still got a full chest of hair right um are you a chest are you a hair hunter i don't know what what do you guys think you guys are more like on the beach i feel like than i like i feel like you You guys are more like you go on like this like fabulous like I don't know, like Palm Heights or whatever.

1:05:25Naomi Fry:I don't know. You guys are like with sort of hot guys on the beach more than I am. Like what's your take on the ground about the state of chest hair? I think it seems pretty good. I feel like it's kind of back. Like I don't think people are like plucking and waxing and lasering as much as they used to.

1:05:42Jason Stewart:Yeah, I don't think so either. Yeah, I think it kind of comes down to the hotness of the person. I think if you're a hot guy who has chest hair, the chest hair is okay. But if you're a schlubby, kind of fat, random, 52-year-old guy who's super hairy, maybe we're shaving that along with the back. You know what I mean?

1:06:00Naomi Fry:But would that be better?

1:06:03Jason Stewart:No. No. I think it doesn't matter. It's just personal preference. But in the style of the Rick Owens, the best accessory is the body kind of thing, like whatever that hair is attached to will dictate whether or not it's good right right but are you a are you a hair hunter is what i'm is what i'm after i i yeah i would say i'm a hair not like yeah i would say yeah sure yeah it's not a it's not a deep fetish but you see a a hunky

1:06:28Naomi Fry:barrel-chested man with hair we prefer it yeah i think i prefer it yeah but i remember yeah i remember like you know what what it's so funny like um me and nina have been uh watching the first two seasons of the comeback because because of the new season which we haven't watched yet but we wanted to be i for whatever reason i only watched some of the first season when it

1:06:53Jason Stewart:first aired i mean i know it existed i don't remember a single episode yeah and then and now

1:06:59Naomi Fry:so we watched the first two seasons and it's like incredible i mean i'm not the i'm not the obviously everybody thinks that like it's it's not like a rare opinion to have right but the the first season is like basically she's you know as people who've watched know uh she uh valerie cherish like the lisa kudrow character is like a kind of faded actress who's being put in this like dowdy like and sassy role on this like hot young like sex grazed like crazy kids who are roommates on on the show room and board like a horrible sitcom and it has like these two hot guys right like circa like 2005 and one of them is kellen lutz remember kellen lutz of course and uh and uh I just, and they're kind of like naked all the time, or they're kind of like wearing like board shorts and like nothing else.

1:07:54Naomi Fry:And they're like such a, I zoomed back to that aesthetic of like the 2005 hot guy with like not a single hair on his torso, you know, sort of like puffed up muscles kind of like Jesse Metcalfe, remember Jesse Metcalfe from. He's buff as hell. I see him in LA at the gym. Motherfucker is buff. Desperate. He looked good. Desperate. Well, I'm happy for him. But he was like the gardener. He was like the hot gardener, right? Nary hair. But this is what's going on right now with Timothee Chalamet vacation posting. People are like, he looks like a 13-year-old boy. Why are you guys trying to fuck this guy?

1:08:31Because his body is, I guess they're saying it leaves a lot to be desired.

1:08:36Naomi Fry:Yeah. I mean, he's a different thing altogether. They're kicking him while he's down, though, I believe.

1:08:40Jason Stewart:Yeah, he's so down. Right. Biggest actor in the world, fucking Kylie Jenner. Yeah, he's fine. Well, I mean, he literally sold his soul to the devil and didn't win an Oscar. Yeah. It's not. I'm not saying his problems are the same as real problems. Overall, we're up. Just we're taking a little dip right now on the market. Yeah. Now's the time to buy on Timmy.

1:08:57Naomi Fry:I think it's normal and it'll all level out. Yeah, definitely. The ups and downs. I mean, also, you know, it's like him and Kylie posting on vacation. They're not in the pictures together. Where are they? Some sort of beach location, undisclosed, I'm sure. It was reachable by private plane. It was giving Maldives to me. That's too far. I bet they're in Mexico. Okay. Where all LA people go. I wonder what they talk about. Not much, is my guess. I think they just share videos. You think they just, they email video, they like text videos back and forth to each other from different rooms in the house?

1:09:30They probably don't have time to talk much. They're both moguls.

1:09:33Naomi Fry:From different like lounge chairs. Well, the big news today was that enemy of the show Kid Cudi is releasing a new podcast and Kylie is his first guest. Really? Jason sent over a, there's a super cut of Cuddy-isms that he posted that make him look like the dumbest guy. It's crazy that this is a promotion to get people to tune in to this show. Oh, amazing. But I guess him and Kylie have been down for years and obviously Timmy said, you know, Timmy's one of those guys. One of the quotes from Cuddy is -

1:10:06Jason Stewart:I wonder what he sees in Kylie. Yeah, exactly. One of those quotes from Cuddy was I'm somebody in your high school's Taylor Swift. And I hate to say it, but he's right. Yes. You know what I mean? Like people really fuck with him. The only thing that sentence is missing is parentheses derogatory, I guess.

1:10:26Naomi Fry:You know what I miss? I miss the pursuit of happiness video. Remember when like Drake pop up there randomly? I'm so desperate for Drake to be back. The streets, Iceman coming soon. We got to feed the streets. When is this coming? do we know we don't know it's it's always coming soon um with no kind of hard data attached to that

1:10:47Jason Stewart:yeah i mean all the the ice agent conflict has thrown a little bit of a wrench in his operation promotional push yeah being the ice man not necessarily the best title to have in 2026 so maybe uh the people over there at ovo industries are workshopping some new branding and marketing directions i don't know i want ice man i think ice man is going to be great i think drake's going to be back i think it's i think we're all i think we're all going to be good i think it's i think we're going to return to god's light in the very near future back when cuddy had those little little black nerdy glasses on and he was just an innocent guy before all the swag before he became a fine artist jason if you had to if you had to pick gun to head cuddy or lupe fiasco well remember lupe fiasco kick push jason kick push which i'm gonna pick cuddy i'm picking cuddy i'm picking cuddy too but i don't feel good about it shout out to all our chicago listeners i know you guys fuck with lupe but chuck sorry about that yeah sorry chuck yeah you're chuck you're the goat okay no me lastly i want a little quick recap on the uh on the 50th birthday party that unfortunately i was unable to attend we were in paris yeah you both uh you were at the

1:12:01Naomi Fry:sitting front row at the Loewe show in Paris. Yeah. I think it was good. I think it was successful. I was a little nervous.

1:12:16Chrissy Miller helped me arrange the party

1:12:22Naomi Fry:at the Submersor Lounge. A classic. A classic. and uh did Eli Escobar DJ or was it just Ezra Marcus it was DJ Ezra Marcus was on can he still fit in his shirt or did he look okay I mean because he's Jack now is he good or okay he looks great it was great did a great job uh everything ran very smoothly you didn't have any door issues because I know there's some heavy hitters in the room some not so heavy hitters but they were able to mix together peacefully yeah did Andy Cohen's uh

1:12:54Jason Stewart:Secret Service shoot himself in the ass as well, just like Jill Biden's? No.

1:12:59Naomi Fry:I mean, I was very touched that Andy and John Mayer came. Well, they might be looking for a third. You know what I mean? It's one. It was very sweet. Yeah, and who did they end up leaving with? No, I mean, it sounded great, but I heard the temperature was quite warm. It was warm, but it wasn't insane. Okay.

1:13:20Jason Stewart:It looked like a Pitbull video on my Instagram stories, though.

1:13:23Naomi Fry:It was a bit of a pit bull video. Golly. Who dressed you for the event? What were you wearing to celebrate 50 years of - I just wore this black dress. I felt comfortable. I felt like myself.

1:13:39Jason Stewart:Okay, Carolyn Bessette.

1:13:40Naomi Fry:And that was - I just wore an LBD.

1:13:43Jason Stewart:Effortless maxing? I just wore an LBD with some flats, something crazy.

1:13:47Naomi Fry:I just wore an LBD.

1:13:49Jason Stewart:Strapless or no?

1:13:51Naomi Fry:Not strapless, no. Which is cool, which is totally cool. But, you know, slightly above the knee. Okay. Breezy. Easy and breezy. I think people had a nice time. Like, it wasn't crazy, but I think a lot of people came. Like, I saw a lot of friends. People were very sweet, and I felt, you know, loved and appreciated, which was really nice. And you were, you know, you were missed. But Fashion Duty called. How was the show? I mean, I listened to the recap on the pod, of course, but it was, it was fun.

1:14:27Jason Stewart:It was just, I learned that Paris fashion week is, is, is better than LA fashion week.

1:14:31Naomi Fry:I'll say I, I, I went to Paris fashion week for the first time in the fall. And, uh, and I was like, Jason, I really identified because I, I had been to Paris before, but the last time was when I was 15. so i was really um you know had a very vague sense of what paris is and uh and i was like i really i really love paris you're like i get it i had a great time people are on and i loved uh being in paris fashion week and like seeing people and stuff it's a great place for seeing people i i

1:15:07Jason Stewart:will say that it was the devil wears prada come to life you know somebody pinched it was i mean

1:15:12Naomi Fry:it's kind of a big it feels like more of a big deal than it does in new york and stuff like it feels like very it's kind of grander well it feels like it has like the support of the government like do you know what i mean like it's like it must be nice in new york it's sort of a nuisance

1:15:26Jason Stewart:in paris it's it is the event of the season you want to shut you want to shut down the the sure well whatever you want yeah yeah it's a little more of that um yeah all right fry it was it was a pleasure a wonderful surprise for not only jason but also the listeners it's a surprise

1:15:42Naomi Fry:for the listeners. I hope they, yeah, I hope no one is disappointed. Clips fans, we apologize.

1:15:48Jason Stewart:Clips fans, Pusha T will be grinding with us next week. But also, Clips fans rejoice that, unfortunately, because of what we talked about on the episode, I will have to play Pursuit of Happiness by Kid Cudi as the outro song of today's episode. So, stick around. They'll get a...

1:16:05Naomi Fry:Also, I think literally

1:16:08Jason Stewart:there is a Them Jeans remix of Pursuit of Happiness. Oh, we're putting that. Oh, my God. We've got to put the Vim Jeans. I don't know if I have it. I don't know if I have it. Oh, I think you'll find a way. Hit Jacques Green. Somebody's got it. Hit somebody. Somebody's got it. Is it Vim Jeans edit, a remix, a drum edit? I think it's a remix. Oh, it's a full remix. We had all the stems from A-Track. Reimagination. I don't know if I have all the stems or if it was just an acapella. Reimagination. Okay, got it. Okay. Yeah, but it'll light the club on fire. Shout out to Kid Cudi. You had one, brother.

1:16:41Jason Stewart:All right. Thanks. Thank you. Good to see you. Bless.

1:16:44Naomi Fry:Thank you. Love you. We love you. We'll see you soon.