934. - Recho Omondi

23:05You just want to go balls to the wall and the craziest conclusion. I mean, I think that's the gift and the curse of the clip culture, honestly. It's like when it works, it works. And when it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

23:16Jason Stewart:And also the paid tweet culture. Which is why I let it go off. You cut the clips, you put them out, they're going to do what they do with them. And listen, if there's anything that I know how to do is to make a viral clip, I say that humbly and you're right like they're it's so easy when does the humble part start you ain't said nothing humble in your life don't don't even do that i am humble but it's hard when you're when you're when it's back to the facts you know we admire your courage i yeah i can't say that but what is the um but what all right so when we're talking about clipping what is your process because i assume you don't do it physically you sit with an editor or you send time stamps is that how you do it it's like all the things it's all the things now this is an ancient garden secret so i don't know how deep into clips we can get because if i told everybody how i cut clips and everybody would be cutting clips like me and then that would be a different conversation right my guys and my guys in india are doing a pretty good job i'd love to hear what you have to say no i just think there's an art to clipping i really really do it i'm actually very passionate about it i love it you know we see clips as like a top of funnel marketing asset so like especially if i'm driving people back to patreon so like that's an opportunity for someone who's maybe not a subscriber not yet bought in that's an opportunity for them to see like what are you talking about what are you about so i take it really seriously my team knows that and it's like when i say seriously i just mean diligent yeah you know we're thoughtful about what's in it and what it says and what images we want to use to support it all that stuff but i feel like you're in there with the headphones on like you're fucking jay-z and you say you say something you're like oh we got one we got one you're yelling at the producer you're not necessarily no because the team no because the team's good we got one they know they know now they know they're they're good and they kind of sometimes there'll be something where i'm like oh i can't believe you guys didn't clip that part like that was good but for the most part they kind of know like what to clip and and they were there sure i mean yeah they were there so yeah yeah and it's it is good because even though you're a clip master i consider myself to be a an editing master of how long gone but second sets of ears are able to pick things up that are are amazing moments or funny bits that we just skip over sometimes you know yeah exactly so how do you guys how do you guys do your pod do you guys like prep did you were you guys like okay what are we gonna ask rachel or is it just off the top of the dome hell no we don't we don't yeah we don't prep i mean i think there's a level of prep that that we do by being plugged in all you know what i mean like i know what's going on so therefore i'm prep because we don't do interviews we just do convos you know if you don't look you don't have to get ready if you stay ready that's what they say and by stay ready i mean be on twitter seven hours a day i haven't turned the i haven't hit the record button off in years it's just always on in the booth we're always recording yeah i really do believe that there's like a level of preparation conversationally that is like about being out in the world and just knowing what's going on i don't i think if you're trying to do like a quote-unquote interview that's a different thing yeah yeah i get that i like your guys i like your guys the energy because it's it's fun whenever i see you guys it's a good time vibes are high i mean that's the that's the whole point but i think that the i think that like someone asked me today like how do you come up with your questions and i was like i don't i mean i don't know i fucking i just know i don't i mean it's like i don't i just don't know if that's what it's about all the time with with at least with us for other people i know it's different and that's fine wait so when is this going to publish tomorrow wait so we we have some hot topics to discuss pretty much just law roach did you see zoe's wedding ring what do you think engagement ring you believe is you think that's real zoe who kravitz she's got a big she's got a big old rock on from harold harry styles big old boy jason's saying she's too weak to hold it up let's see let me look it up real quick this is what her third ring actually i'm not mad at a girl who's getting rings like that j-lo effect what do you do with an engagement ring it just sits there no you don't you collect them if you you collect them okay you collect them and what and wait for a guy to come rob your house no you paul i'm i'm typing into google and they don't know which man i'm talking about they're like channing are you talking about the other guy you gotta go on twitter girl don't talk about chaining like that oh i had to get off twitter jason that felt like 4chan to me after a while i used to love twitter and i had to get off well 4chan is a dark place but it's also where everything starts just like twitter you know i know what happened what was there a particular incident or was it just like this is too much for me no you know what it is i wouldn't even say specific to twitter i'm kind of like and this is you know such an unoriginal statement i'm over the like social media and that doesn't mean i'm getting off because we have to be on but like i just it's more of that like i'm like i don't enjoy this in the way that i used to and i think i'm like contending with that and so in some ways that's what makes patreon nice because that's where I can like kind of hide away.

27:37If I don't want to be on social for two weeks straight, three weeks straight, I can still go talk to my audience. But there's something about like, go with me on this. I don't know. This is a half-baked thought. So if there's people out there who are ready to critique, just save it, save it, save it, save it. Wait, wait, wait. Okay. There's something about the amount of general users who have now joined the internet that make it not fun for me. When I got on the internet, like, you know, those first times like in middle school and stuff like that and you're on myspace and high school and facebook and whatever and

28:05Jason Stewart:myspace is a little later for us but sure yeah yeah middle school okay shorty said general users what what do you mean by that exactly i mean like npcs yeah like it used to be so much more niche and like message boards and you kind of had to be like a dork to want to be online like you know it was kind of like nerd culture and creatives kind of adopted at first and people who had really niche interest then over the last i don't know like 20 years the general average person walking the planet has gotten online and that makes it and then they got a comment button and that just makes it not fun to me because it's just too much dumb shit i think this is i think this is a fair i mean i think that it's also the politic like i think the politics of it all has really turned it up a hundred percent and the algorithms yeah yeah i think that but i think you're right i think the The heyday of the internet was definitely about subcultures and niches and finding your people.

28:57And it wasn't sort of a finger-pointing community. And it wasn't always about that. It was about something else. Yeah. So now I don't find it enjoyable as much. Or I feel like I can't throw caution to the wind and just be myself online. In those early days of how I used it, maybe because I was younger too. But I just remember feeling like it was so freeing and so fun. Yeah, definitely. It was. Now it was just so policed and so whack and a bunch of corn balls. so we're like well actually it's like shut the fuck up yeah but this happens to every every

29:27Jason Stewart:platform in the history of the world and also it happens to everyone as you get older you're like the young people are policing everything i'm saying they can't take a joke you know it's just you have to adapt or die wait can we talk which i guess is what patreon is exactly can we talk about double race product which premiered last night world premiere in new york city at geffen hall lingon center you can you can tell to us about if you break us off a little bit of that you got. Yeah, you can give a... Go ahead. Venmo me five bands and we can talk about all you want. Well, yes or no. Yes. Damn.

29:58I would love to hear about it. Well, also, first of all, you and Nikki were the only two people I saw that got paid to post about it, the magazine. So congratulations on that. Nikki, oh, yeah, yeah, of course. What do you mean? This is a hustle. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm just saying that the Devil Wears Prada family has good taste. That's all I'm saying. They actually do. They actually do. I'm glad they didn't go after some dorks. They could have done Jake Shane, right? Well, you know, because it's Disney, it's 20th century, so it's super corporate. So you kind of wonder, like, do they know who is

30:25Jason Stewart:a voice or who's kind of like has that relevance or cultural whatever, whatever. And I thought they like did a great job. I thought the activations were cool. It was super like, again, still corporate, very like money, lots of sponsors. But I don't know, as someone who's like here on behalf of the fashion community on your pod, I remember vividly when this movie came out. So it is kind of like nerd level, but like 20 years later, first of all, those 20 years went by so quickly, but also too, it's like such a quintessential film that captured an industry one at a time that will never exist again, the way that they captured it back in 2005.

31:00And also too, like, you know, there's those kind of like cult films that capture an industry, like Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross, or like, I don't know, like wall street with Michael Douglas. Like you have those, hold on, hold on. You're comparing devil wears Prada to wall street. Cocaines for closers. I am. Cause it's an industry focused film. Don't let these letterbox nerds. Oh, they're going to hear this. you're fucked now yeah valentino's for closers i hope they don't find me but no it was a great it was great and then the way that they did this uh sequel was listen it's like a fun you know borderline family film like it's not a deep film but the way that they talk about like the things that we see happening every day essentially the magazine is like under siege because there's digital the world of digital has taken them under print is not making any money they're beholden into their advertisers so the relationship of like miranda priestly as this kind of like omnipresent omnipowerful being has been cut down a few blocks because she's now beholden into the advertisers to keep the to keep the lights on who are some of the advertisers that are the fictional brands or is it real like are they they speak directly oh no they made a magazine that's part of their promote this is a real runway magazine is that the september issue of runway magazine yeah they made a real magazine and they have real advertisers in here they have this phenomenal coke ad uh so the advertisers were coca-cola dior you see dior's on the first page um okay all right fair enough that has to do with like the plot because in the movie emily who was kind of like the antagonist to ann hathaway's character in the first one she now works at dior so she's the hbic at dior she moved on yeah so they have to bend the knee they have to kowtow to her because she's the advertiser that keeps their lights on so she's like bitch like I do that is a realistic plot line honestly it is real so you kind of see Andy or Anne Hathaway has left the magazine she's back after all these years and she feels like she's in the upside down she's like wait Miranda's bending down to this bitch what the fuck is going because how is how does Zan how does Zan look in the movie though she look good right they all look great yeah yeah they've all taken really good care of themselves in the last 20 years and I just I don't know for those anybody I don't know if your audience gives a fuck about this yeah all these all these people everybody's gonna go see this movie whether it's good or bad no one cares it's like a nostalgia all right it's so great so what did you wear to the premiere did you meet anyone did you did anybody come up to you oh yeah everybody was there everybody and their mom was there and it was so fun um i was pretty chill i was almost not gonna go which is blasphemous but i was almost not gonna go because i was just thinking like glam red carpet and i was like oh i don't have time i didn't i didn't get ready in that way i didn't prepare and then i like came out of it stopped overthinking it and i was like this is not about the carpet this is about you going to see a movie that you've loved for 20 years have I've watched on repeat a million times.

33:35Like, put on a matching set and get out the door. That part. You put on the Totem matching set and walked out the door? No, I put on – actually, this is the name of Kwame, who I love. He's from Ghana, based in L.A. But, no, I wore, like, a kind of oversized, like, pantsuit situation. It was fab, and it was very chill and relaxed. And I'm really glad I didn't do it up because, like, sometimes you'll walk out the door and you'll be at the actual function. You're like, damn, thank God I didn't wear heels tonight because I'm so not in the mood. That's why I always dress down, baby. Jeans are appropriate for every situation.

34:02Yeah, so it's one of those. but everybody was there. Everybody was there. I know that's so subjective, but like fashion people.

34:08Jason Stewart:Was Devil Wears Prada 2 better or worse than Sex and the City 2? Damn, that's a good question. If you have to think about it, then that's bad because Sex and the City 2 is sort of known as one of the worst films ever created. I have a soft spot for it. What happened in the second one? I don't remember what happened in the second one. That's where the girls travel to Abu Dhabi for a luxurious vacation. This is better, this is better, this is better. I was thinking of Sex and the City, the movie, the first one. No, this is better. Okay, okay. But it's really fun. Sex and City 2 gets a bad rap. I think it's pretty funny.

34:38I think people take it too seriously. It's also very visually appealing. I love the Middle East, personally. I haven't been offered any money by those guys, but I would take it if they offered it, just to be clear. Yeah, same. I know you're down for some dirty money. I know you're down. Where do you get this impression? Give me an example. Because I just know that you're a real one, and you're willing.

34:56Jason Stewart:Yeah, you told us about Dubai Chocolate in 2016. You were very early on that. These are lies. I like to consider myself pragmatic. How often do you go back to Africa? Do you go back? Dang, I haven't been back in a second. But growing up, I went all the time. The last time I went was during the pandemic. So I'd say like 2021, late 2021. I had a friend. I was with a friend last night at this dinner in Milan. And she goes every year. And she was telling me how I need to go. And that I would really like it. And that it's turnt up. Well, I just want to. I just. Well, it depends on what. You know, it's a continent.

35:30So it depends on. No, no. I know. I know. I know. I know that it's... Just letting you know. Thank you. These white men, I get shook about these white men. I don't know what they know. Well, I know that it's a continent. Damn, relax. I know that there's seven continents. Chris has been to Lamu. Okay, go easy on him. Oh, okay. So that's Kenya. I have not been to Kenya. We're talking about Lagos. We're talking about Lagos. Okay, so Lagos. So I'm from Kenya. And so that... It's just... I only say this because people have asked me this a lot growing up. Like, oh, Africa, Africa. And I kind of feel ignorant in a lot of ways because I only know the country where my parents are from.

35:59I really don't know about these other 50-some other countries that are there. So all I know is this one little East African country on the coast. And I love it. It's beautiful. And Lamu, Nairobi, all these places are stunning. But sometimes when I meet other Africans or whatever, and they're from Ghana, they're from Lagos, they're from Senegal, I'm as ignorant as the next person because I'm like, I don't know their food, their language, their customs. So I also want to explore the continent. I feel very much like small-town kid when it comes to that continent. It's like when I take Jason down to the south.

36:26He's discovering things that he just didn't grow up with. It's new.

36:29Jason Stewart:Even though Canada is so close, I don't know what they're up to. They got milk and bags. It's totally different. Canada. But tell me about dating African men, though, because you said you're loyal to the soil. Oh, my gosh. So what are the nuances? You like a little coffee in your coffee. Because you said - Are we going there? Are we really going there? Well, you said you did not fuck with white boys, so I just wanted to be clear. I never said that. That's fine. Did I say that? You also said he has to be an athlete, too, which was weird. Hold on. audience i know you guys don't know me you have no loyalty to me that's not true that's not true we have a lot of crossover we have a lot of crossover okay so audience some of you may know me but listen i just want to say we're fashion's only fashion show it's just us and lauren sherman and you chris and jason are referring to a car ride we took from in paris i needed a ride they were right about that we were in the outskirts of paris we need to get back to the city center and in this car ride i thought we were in a cone of silence i'm finding out right now in real time that was not a code of silence that everything was fair game this episode of how long gone is brought to you by squarespace jason something about us we love websites and we know how important they are and if you don't have one you're going to get left behind i don't care what your zoomer friends tell you websites are the future thank god for squarespace they can Jason, what can you do with Squarespace?

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39:47Jason Stewart:Yeah, Chris, I am personally friends with Michael from Dart, and I have worked with them for years. I think the last time I did a big one, we did the Sweet Green wedding. They set up a beautiful booth for the ceremony, just some cocktail music, some vinyl, some cool vibes, and then they set up a whole big tent with a crazy bumping sound system for me to play in later. These guys are great. A lot of people always ask me like, hey, you know, do cool wedding DJs exist? Do cool event people exist? The cool part about Dart is they'll work with people like me to come and DJ your party, as well as provide all the gear and all the consulting and all that stuff.

40:29Jason Stewart:So if you don't know who to hire for your event, Dart Collective is the one. Dart, just like throwing a dart, dash collective.com. and ask for Mike. His email address is michael at dart-collective.com Tell him we sent you. So if you have an event coming up this summer, Dart Collective is where you go. No, not everything. I thought this was a reasonable question. Okay. Let's get into it. We know that you love honesty. I do. I actually do. Honestly, I think the nuances of dating in different cultures, I think we're probably pretty ignorant to that. Jason, I know, no kidding. Except, I mean, Jason's not because he's familiar with Asian cultures, but I'm saying I do feel like there are different nuances that we don't, we aren't familiar with that you could enlighten us on.

41:21Yeah, so many flavors. I'll put it this way. I think like everyone has a different way of dating and like what they're looking for. For me, I think being in a relationship or at least, no, I've been in a lot of like, you know, less favorable, less healthy relationships before in my life but now where i'm at you want it to feel like home you know like i want to feel like i don't have to explain myself you know you know what i'm about you understand like lena dunham and jack antonoff just cozy what's understood doesn't have to be explained that makes total sense that's that's when you have similar backgrounds and the only reason i made that distinction is because we're children of immigrants me my partner with children of immigrants we're both africans so for people who are american i mean i'm american too i guess i was born and raised here but when When you have your parents talking, acting, speaking, cooking a very specific way, you don't feel as connected to the Black American experience other than the fact that we are all Black.

42:15But there's a lot of really subtle nuances that happen within those communities. And I say this with the utmost respect to the Black American community because having grown up here, you want to assimilate to that more than anything because there's the people that look like you, even though there are even more nuances that kind of create some distinction. So it's just like tricky. Sometimes when people are like, where are you from? I can usually tell by who's asking it What they mean If it's an old African Uber driver And he's like, where are you from? I'll be like, oh he means where are my parents from For real, for real, where are you from?

42:45Jason Stewart:He means where in Kenya, which town in Kenya are you from? Yeah, yeah, yeah Or maybe what country But if a Brentwood white mom is like, where are you from? I'm like, bitch, what do you mean? What the fuck do you mean? I'm from here You know what I mean? Because you grew up in a lot of bad places in America bad meaning fly over oh that's mean but yeah yeah i grew up in i grew up in straight up middle america straight up and i kind of like now i think i'm more grateful for it which is crazy to say because it's a psychology of a person that i understand and we don't get a lot of those people being here on the coast and you know the coastal elite as they call it new york la miami whatever london paris all these places we hang out but i know these people like to their bones like this is how i feel about the south i agree i think it's like a totally i think it's like real people like real people like yeah but she's from a real flyover state and you're grateful every time you fly over that old state right well i'll say this okay let me back i'll be back up for those who are talking about ohio like that we get it out the mud i was born in tulsa oklahoma great oh great american city classic america i thought it was nowhere oklahoma but yeah nowhere nowhere nowhere right outside of tulsa okay honestly that's amazing that feels like a dennis hopper movie That's unbelievable.

43:58Doesn't it? It's crazy. It's very Paris, Texas. Then I moved to Wichita, Kansas. Then I moved to Dodge City, Kansas. Then I moved to Lansing, Michigan. And then I moved to what I usually claim, which is Champaign, Illinois, because I moved there for high school.

44:10Jason Stewart:So you still haven't even seen a mountain yet? No, flatlands. The plains. I'm from the plains. But why do you think your parents were – what was the reasoning for these cities? Because it is a certain thing. Obviously, they're all in the same general area. Great schools. I don't know. I really don't know. I've asked my dad that. I swear to God, they spun a globe and threw a pin down. I don't think that they were. I don't know. I mean, I know my dad was going to school. It was also crazy having immigrant parents, too, because they pulled up to this joint having never been here, not really knowing the language that well.

44:42It's crazy. Could any of us do that if we had to leave our country today? I don't know. These people were a different breed. Hell no. Hell no.

44:48Jason Stewart:We are built different. We are pussies. But ask anyone why they moved to Oklahoma. they're not going to have an answer whether or not they're coming from africa or chicago they're like honestly i don't fucking know bro i don't know i got some land it was good deal truly so yeah i don't know why they were there but uh my dad like growing up he did have this like i think it's a generational thing people this time but he did love like the idea of a cowboy and john wayne movies and country music i think for him as an african that was kind of like what was the american dream so i remember him thinking that was like the coolest thing ever and there being a lot of old westerns in our house and him watching that kind of stuff and he had cowboy boots and like had a pipe and all the shit i was about to ask is your dad get his little swag on you have the boots on and the jeans yeah in like the 90s i remember like you look old photos kind of fly like jeans tucked in tail with cowboy boot and an african accent and a cowboy hat that's fly that's who's uh who's on his mood board nowadays i don't know what's the look now his moods were always like he always liked a dapper it was always like a sydney poitier type guy yeah it was always That was his, like, Brad Pitt, I think.

45:50Jason Stewart:I'm Kenyan Brad Pitt. That's great. That'll work on anyone. Yeah. That'll definitely work in Tulsa. What did he do for a living? He was a doctor. What kind of doctor? ER, emergency room trauma. Okay, so you're saying he moved and then started as an adult, like, schooling, basically, for that. No, no, no. His dad was a doctor, so it was in the blood. But, no, he came here. So this is funny. My dad was actually, like, studying English. Then he had these three kids, and he said, hold on. I got to make this money because like, what the fuck? And then he decided to become a doctor. So he's decided, I think, I might get these numbers wrong.

46:27Dad, if you listen to this, don't come at me. But I think he like started at like 33, 34 from scratch. What? From scratch, bro. What? Yeah. And then he finished in his 40s and then practiced for 30 years. That's actually crazy. Yeah. And we didn't want for anything, you know, put me through school, bought me a car, the whole thing. And so when he talks to us, he'll always say to us, like, if you're ever unhappy with your career, you want to change things. He's always like, you're so much younger than you think you are so much younger than you think you are. Like this life is longer than you think.

46:58So like, you know, at times when like, you know, my, my sister had like a change in career path. And he used to always tell like, go back to school, go back to school. Like you have, you have time, you have time because he didn't really get a hold of his situation till he was like in his mid thirties. and I remember him like being in residency when I was like younger and then getting done with that and then getting a job but he practiced for a full 30 years of his life so yeah that's a whole that's

47:22Jason Stewart:a whole ass career and you're sort of following in your father's footsteps in his scrubs you in that same a you know early mid 30s we pivot to you know he became a doctor you got on patreon it's the same kind of vibe you know similar exactly I'm gonna start my new life as a creator Exactly. I do kind of have that idealistic belief of like it's never too late. And maybe it's because I got it from him, but it's like it's never too late. If you want to switch up, you want to do something different. Don't sit in misery. Get up. Piss her. Get off the pot. Change your life if you're not happy. I do believe that.

47:54Unfortunately, all the things that I want to change my life to do are physical. And that, unfortunately, the body keeps the score. You know what I'm saying? But it's never too late. You never know. It's never too late to stop being so fat, Chris. Do you think I could be a chiropractor? real talk do you think i could do it do you think i could go through the schooling and you think i

48:12Jason Stewart:could do what hell yeah her father her father who went through seven years of medical school do you think i could pass the seven days of chiropractic chiropractors like two or three years hell yeah hell yeah you could hell yeah that's easy that's light work that's a quick sentence i need to get i need to call your dad and get a pep talk i i because it's every day i'm like you know i see all those memes men used to go to war we need plumbers and shit i'm like yeah real that's real We really do. But you know what's also a trip, though? I don't know if anybody's ready for this. There's like this.

48:42You know how there's like this movement about like decentering men? You know, I see a lot of the girlies on here that like even in their pursuit of decentering men, they're still just talking about men all the time. Like men used to go to war. Don't you hear how men do this? It's like I thought you were decentering these people. What is going on? Well, we rock. It's hard. It's hard.

49:00Jason Stewart:I mean, you know how it is. Keep our gender out your mouth if you don't want us to be so centered. is what you're saying i just feel like there's a yin and a yang to the same thing there's like the girls who are obsessed with the guys and then there's the girls who think they don't fuck with the guys but they're still talking about them all the time and it's like i don't know and i love i mean let me shut up let me just stop right there no no this is in the words of mariah carey why are you so obsessed with me you know what i mean it kind of gives that it kind of gives that i'm like i just don't think about men like that on a genuine daily basis like at all really so i don't understand the fixation one way or the other well i think the fixation it's like it's in our dna you know despite you know the the decentering of men we ain't shit you know we just you know scratch our nuts and play video games all day while you women go to your jobs and pilates and stuff like that but also on a dna level like you need us for reproduction so like we're still on your minds you know what i mean like that toxic you know like that talk somebody's gotta pay rent too don't forget about that exactly you think that spectrum wi-fi is free huh That Volvo, that ain't cheap.

50:06That's$800 a month. Chris, if you're serious about being a chiropractor, I just want to circle the block real quick and say you should. It's cool. It's a passion that's developed from reels, but I do think it's a – I think because I think there's a lot of personal trainers, but I think that my body always hurts, and the idea of being able to fix people's bodies that hurt and make it fun. I mean, when working – You come to Chris's chiropractor. Make it fun. You come to my chiropractor studio. we're listening to good shit like music is good yeah furniture furniture is good the cracks still hit the same but it's a better environment smells better we haven't even got to the water program yet yeah you know yeah the water's 20 a cup you got a baddie working the front desk this ain't your mama's little chiropractor studio it's never too late it's never too late it's never too late

50:51Jason Stewart:that honestly that's a very inspiring story that's okay well on the on the subject or that same energy of pivoting to another career it's never too late blah blah what if that career that you're pivoting to your true calling your true love is a financial step down that's tough how does that change things for you that's a really good question um how much do you love the game of what you want to pursue late in life you know easy for your dad i guess i'll just be a doctor you know high-paying job typically but going from a creative director to a chiropractor could definitely be a financial step down especially in the early the way i do it big bro not the way i do it.

51:30No, but I mean, there's sacrifice. Like I think everything has to do with your relationship to sacrifice. And I mean, not seriously, I know this is like a lighthearted podcast and not to get all deep, but for a second, it's important because I think a lot of times we talk about how we want stuff, but we don't want that thing that comes with it to get it. So like sacrifice is inevitable if you want anything. And I, and my dad had a lot of sacrifices. He was a janitor by night, like in a country where he didn't know anybody. My mom and him split up during that time. My mom was a stay-at-home mom with these three kids i was the i was an accident i came way after my older siblings and um she you know had a lot of addiction issues my dad raised us so it was just him by himself with three girls because they split up and she gave her rights away as a mother so my dad had full rights of these three girls by himself in this country he doesn't know anybody

52:13Jason Stewart:not hashtag girl dad no he's a girl dad on steroids like for real and on top of all that he's like you know what i'll throw in the mix seven years of medical school i'm over here like damn, I need a dog sitter for Coachella. I mean, but no, but he was expecting her to hold down the floor. He's like, hold on, let me go get this degree real quick. And then she was spinning out. It was very revolutionary road. She was crashing out. And so he was like, all right, well, these kids aren't safe, so let me go get them. And now I still have to go to work while I got these three kids. So it's like, it's not easy.

52:41And you have responsibilities as a man, as a parent, as a whoever. So I don't know.

52:46Jason Stewart:I feel like the Obamas need to license this movie. This is a great story right here. I've always thought. Who's going to play your dad in the film? will smith no no i mean sorry not you love about it i mean denzel's getting a little old i want to say denzel i want to say denzel because in spirit but it's it's gotta be somebody darker skinned okay so i don't know john jonathan majors that's fine we can bring him back oh hell no i don't know come back to me on that maybe like a darker skinned sauvion glover would be an ideal candidate perhaps it would be sydney poitier but he's poitier yeah r.i.p to the goat what is your mom is your mom better does your mom figure it out or no my mom passed away uh last year which you know is sad but i'm not we didn't have a relationship so i kind of heard about her passing through the grapevine oh wow it was like that like you heard about it from other people it was like that how did your dad take it i mean i don't know he's not a man of many emotions but he texted me he said r.i.p to your mom and i was like r.i.p it was just kind of a weird what's app like we were just you know i don't know where i know at that point i had spent you know i live i grew up on my own not on my own but you know i took it was handled it was handled so when it when it when there were like moments where she was trying to reconnect i i chose not to i was like i don't really need this relationship i feel like i'm good and like i wish you well but like i'm not trying to like rekindle especially at that age if you're like 15 or whatever you're just like what the fuck is this yeah i was i was straight and i i really did feel like full and you know fulfilled in that way so i wasn't trying to shout out to your dad for making all that happen yeah so i mean yeah there's a lot of sacrifice when that comes with that i'm super grateful and like i said we didn't want for anything he held it down and went to good schools and had summer camps and all the things so i mean sure he did what he had to do do you do you feel um do you feel a pressure to succeed based on what your dad has gone through?

54:39Have you met an African? Yes, I do. I absolutely do. Jason's like, actually, no, this is my first one. So nice to meet you. Love y 'all. Love what y 'all do over there. No, no, no. That's a non-negotiable. That's a non-negotiable. That's like, yeah. My dad's logic was, I'll handle all this other stuff. You better get your, the way you pay rent in this house is you have to get good grades. Like that was not even a conversation. You're going to be successful at some point. Your dad's the only thing you did to piss your dad, he had to cancel a subscription to the Man Repeller, but otherwise he's on board with your whole shit.

55:13No, my dad was pissed. He was pissed when I went to art school. He showed up at my art school graduation. He's like, you need to graduate from something that requires some brains. Like, what are we doing here?

55:19Jason Stewart:All this for art? Yeah. He was not amused by an art, by a BFB. Okay, I guess maybe a better question would be, did he have to remind you all the time, hold it over your head, have lectures to you? Like, I came to this country with nothing. I worked my way up or was that just it was an unspoken thing that we all knew that we had to like kill it you know just out of respect for what my parents went through you know I definitely got a fair share of lectures did he hold it over your head I should say well this is about to get deep um yo hashtag immigrant parents you want to open the book a little bit a little bit a little bit no I mean I'm the youngest so like there's a lot of stuff that my sisters got that you just catch by osmosis was being around they got lectured a lot they're the oldest are the first ones out the womb so like everything that i heard when my older sister getting a three-hour lecture in the other room for you know coming home late after curfew and i'm 10 i don't need that lecture i got it you're on the tamagotchi being like all right bet i'm good like you know what i mean so you kind of learn what not to do by just watching all right so i mean i don't want to put you on the spot and no shade to your sisters but who's the most successful youngest in charge youngest are you the youngest are you the youngest in charge i am but purely from trauma for sure okay but at what the cost.

56:32Yeah. I mean, listen, I'm sparing you all the gory details, but like I come from a very broken family. I'm not close with my sisters and, uh, it might, you know, my audience knows that my dad and I have a strained relationship at the moment, which I really hope to heal soon. My mother who I didn't really grow up with her know that well, other than through stories of people who did know her, namely his sisters who remember her from being young women in Nairobi. Uh, you know, I kind of, and I have, you know, strained relationship with my sip, with my sisters so uh it's not like a perfect story by any means patreon will do that to a family you know i don't know like i i just more when i think about more now it's just like how grateful i am to my dad now that you know when you become older you're like damn okay i appreciate it it's just more appreciation now for everything that he did well i think that level of i think that but i think that level of appreciation will lead you guys back to each other probably you know what i mean because that's just like maturity yeah unless he's just a dick now you You know what I mean?

57:28Because sometimes when you get older, that happens. I mean, he's grumpy for sure. But I think he's also just in a lot of pain and things that he hasn't really processed. He's from a different generation. He's a man of pride. He's not. He doesn't really have a woman to like kind of quell his outbursts and things like that. So like, you know, I feel for him. I thought women created the outburst. You're saying they can help when you do. I don't know. He didn't have a counterpart to who he was. You know what I mean? So like I feel for him. I used to judge him a lot more. And now I'm kind of like, damn, I didn't live through that.

57:57And honestly, there wasn't a thing I asked for that I didn't get. So who am I to judge? Like he held it down. He did what back in his day was what a man was supposed to do. And a lot of other things were lacking. But in his mind, he's like, I paid the bills. You're in private school. I bought you a car. You have this. And now men have to hashtag Paul Smith pink wall on their stories to get paid. Exactly. He's like, now you want to know about my emotions? He's like, I live too much for this, big dog. I'm going to just keep this shit bottled up.

58:25Jason Stewart:You give these bitches an inch, they'll take a mile. You know, he's from a different time, but we love him. Shout out to Papa Omandi. Shout out. Where does he live now? What's his at? I think he's a Rolling Stone. He's retired, so he's between Kenya, and he has a place here. He's bopping around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bopping around, yeah. He's Ibiza this week, opening week. Yeah, probably smart to do that. It's opening week. Okay, let's switch it up, get a little lighter in here. You worked at Barney's back in the day. my wife also did did you ever steal hell yeah 60th madison men's third that was a moment did i ever steal from barney's no never why would i believe her i believe i believe her i'm just sitting right there you're you're you're you sort of give narc oh yeah did you ever tell on those who were stealing you would tell them somebody that you saw steal like you would definitely be like yo that guy put a fucking shirt in his bag like he put a band of outsiders butt down in his tote and he didn't i I don't think I would.

59:22I don't think I didn't steal, but I don't think I saw anybody steal. It wasn't that kind of program back then.

59:27Jason Stewart:Okay, what about the partying social aspect of you and all your coworkers on the floor? That was the heyday where maybe you do a little pill, have a little something, smoke a little something on the lunch. No, I didn't have that kind of relationships with my coworkers because back then - Get some head in the dressing room, nothing? No, back then the people that worked there were like career retail associates. They had families and they'd been there for 10 years. Bitch, I make$180 a year. You can make bread. Selling shoes to women. Yeah, people made a lot of money. I was like a young 'un. Men selling shoes to women at a department store, that could have been my life.

1:00:01I made a couple different decisions. I'd be gay and I would have$200 a year and I'd live in Atlanta. And that would be just fine. I believe that. The Kia would be clean and detailed every weekend.

1:00:11Jason Stewart:I believe that. Every time I walk into Bergdorf, there's 20 guys in there waiting to pounce. You know what I mean? You see, women's shoe section at department stores are one of the most special. It's unbelievable what's going on in there. It is. The amount of money being made, it's the only department that's busy. It's the only one that's ever been, except now perfume and cologne is very busy. But really, the shoes is where it goes down. Yeah, Bergdorf's is the only real shoe salon we have left, to be honest. And it really breaks my heart because I'm a firm believer in the shoe salon and that whole experience.

1:00:44And yeah, it is a dying art. it's a dying third space and the men used to run that joint they really did no i'm joking it's mostly straight guys honestly yeah who loves feet more than a straight guy right that's a good point he'll he'll do it for free how often are you paying retail you like you don't mind paying retail do you christmas shoes for whatever anything yeah because you're not afraid to cop i see the cartier i see the diamonds listen it depends we see it we see it i know every once in a while every once that's one of your engagement rings that you're collecting you know that we do i know we say i know you see it we sing that all the time on this show that's very funny we do that all the time that's really funny is that jock yeah um every once in a while every once in a while i don't all the time it depends it depends it depends if there's something that like came out that season that's like a must-have like i definitely was part of the chanel crew i bought what i needed to buy you're part of the problem you're part of the problem what did we get chanel i bought what i needed to buy you know but not all the time like you killed

1:01:43Jason Stewart:two guys in Vietnam. Didn't know how to do out there. Had to get the blazer as well as the flap. Yeah, what did you cop? Just two pairs of shoes. No bag? No bag. I think the bags look cheap. Fair enough. I don't like the bags. But I did buy two pairs and it was chaotic. I'm sure y 'all heard about it. You were in Paris. Yeah. If it's something like that where you see it off the runway and you're like, when that hits stores, I'm buying. Yes, but most of the time, no. I'm a fairly big sales person like sales rack girl i don't listen i've been in the game too long to really be paying things full price like i know how to finesse the game so for me it almost feels silly to buy things full price i have to really love it and really be like abandoning my reason and be like fuck it i just want this thing you know what i understand that but sometimes there's something i mean it's very hard these days because everybody's an idiot but walking into a store and being like you know what i like that shirt i'm just gonna buy the ease of that is is so powerful I was talking to someone last night at dinner.

1:02:41She was like, I tried to go to the Miu Miu store to get a shirt I wanted, and there were three people in the store, and they made me wait outside. And this is like an adult woman that clearly is going to buy something. You know what I mean? This is a woman who's got bread. She looks good. You know she's copping. And she was like, I was stunned. And the girl was like, sorry, that's the rules. And it's like, but that's not logical.

1:03:01Jason Stewart:Sorry, there's an old Chinese guy who's going to FaceTime his friend, and he's going to buy 11 bags, so you're going to wait outside later. I just don't. The idea of being able to walk into a store and buy what you want is so novel at this point that it's almost worth the money to me versus trying to figure out how to get it for less. You like a transaction where finances are the only things being transacted, not favors or whatever. No, I get that. That's why I said sometimes I'll just be like, swipe it. I don't care. I just want to get it. But I don't do that. That's not my regular lifestyle.

1:03:28I'm not. You know what I mean? I do still love a deal. And also because when it comes to luxury and all this stuff, the quality is going down and the prices are getting higher. and I also used to work in product development. Like I'm a designer before I'm a podcaster. So you can't fool me. Do you know what I mean? It's like, and that's, that's also what makes it hard to shop. Cause it's like, I kind of know too much. You know what I mean? When you're like, damn, why is this have a hanging facing? Why is there like a baby hem on this? Like, what is it? Zara? But it'll be like Celine or something.

1:03:55You know what I mean? So it's hard for me to spend it. Not because I don't like, even if I had it, even when I have it, it's hard to spend it. Cause it's like, I know y 'all are getting over on me and I'm pissed.

1:04:05Jason Stewart:and and and they get over like 99 of the people it doesn't matter they don't care that the stitching on this row shirt is suboptimal i don't give a fuck i don't even know what that is they don't know they don't care the only thing that you can do is just buy vintage when it was made to the standards of craftsmanship that you yeah require i will say the row does still have like great leather their quality of leather is still excellent like there are some people who are still kind of holding on to their standards but for like mew mew mew mew to me is merch i'm sorry like that feels like a merch brand no it is no you know what i mean it's like i'm not buying that i'm not wearing a henley that says mew mew on the left hand like no i'm not doing that for 7.95 12 no sorry i look as my i love to wear i went we went to an unnamed vintage store in the dime square region of manhattan with alex and i and she the woman working there was like very hot very cool so hungover and annoyed like to the point to the point where it was like really funny and i was like see this is what it's all about like i want a a mean like stoned hungover chick to not even look up from her phone when that is that is what i i'd rather that than someone following me around with an ipad because they think i'm going to steal something both ways are bad but one i prefer much more but what about friendly friendly is tough because sometimes they want to talk you know i don't want to go into i don't when i go into a buck mason store i don't want the guy to be like which is your favorite buck mason store you know what i mean like bro i'm just trying to see how much this t-shirt costs to compare it to how much mine costs like leave me alone yeah i'm just looking i'm just looking i'm just looking i'm just there's there's an there i mean as a person who worked retail my maybe my favorite job i i think there is a fine line to be like you know cool and not all over you but that to me is a classic sort of that's a very men's like skate shop street wear like supreme went too far but the middle ground definitely exists now in a way where you can say what's up and be cool and not be standoffish yeah yeah before it'd be like what are you doing in here are you gonna actually buy something are you just a looky-loo and now it's like what are you doing in here why are you inside of a brick and mortar store what are you after you know like what's like because it's so rare to have people just like walk into a store and look at try to go to cvs and get paper towels you can't you can't do that you can't get that it's crazy it's like when people knock on your door when you're a kid and you just go and open the door and now somebody knocks on your door and you're like oh my god what is it what happened yeah like everyone is just afraid of every entering where's my gun etc i know it's an art the retail thing is an art and i miss retail so much like i don't like shopping online it makes me sad it doesn't feel like i want to know what i don't know if i'm a six or four or an eight because i don't know how your brand is going to size it can i try it on somewhere damn like i can't try it on anywhere you're just guessing and then if i do want to guess i have to buy two and front that cost to have it shipped and then i have to pay the shipping of the duties and so i'm basically paying to try stuff on this is crazy i like that flex you got to pay the duties she ain't getting that you know i'm saying she ain't getting i gotta buy an extra small a small and a medium and see what because you know from garment to garment it varies wildly even in the same brand open the stores open the schools open the stores i mean i i want to just come try it on but from a business standpoint i would be like yeah you you can order three of the shirts and figure it out because i'm saving 18 million dollars i know you know a week by not having brick and mortar i know but it's just painful like and there's new brands i want to try all the time and it's just russian roulette no idea what i'm gonna get i mean i i don't think that that i've never sent anything back in my life like i can't do it like it either fits well enough to wear or i'm gonna give it to somebody This is a male perspective.

1:07:41Wow.

1:07:43Jason Stewart:We've had other people on the podcast say that as well. Just like, when's the last time you returned something and people are like, I don't know, like seven years. It doesn't fit. I just give it away or sell it, exchange it, put it in the garbage, whatever. Well, because they're buying Banana Republic. They're not spending how I'm spending. If you were spending what I was spending, you would need it back. And I'm not making it fall. Wake it up. I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm balling out. I'm not balling out like that. Look, Bananas had a great year. Don't come for them like that. Okay, today I bought a Drees skirt, right?

1:08:11Jason Stewart:Yeah. The Colt 100 party is next week, and I wanted to have this fab skirt, so I bought this Drees fan note and skirt. And I don't know. I think I know what size I am in Drees, but I don't know. Whatever. It's going to be here in a couple days. This bitch is$1 ,000. If it doesn't fit, it's going back. No, of course. I'm not stupid. I'm just saying that, like, there's a certain – I think it's mostly for me with vintage. Like, if it's an XL and it comes and it doesn't fit me right, I'm going to give it to my homie who's a little smaller than me. You know what I mean? because I'm not going to, it's a vintage t-shirt, whatever.

1:08:40It's not. Okay. Okay. We're talking vintage. We're talking. Yeah. I'm not going to, if I buy. Yeah. I'm not going to, but I'm also not going to order like a$3 ,000 suit online and try. I'm never going to. I'm not.

1:08:49Jason Stewart:He knows that he's not going to take the four hours out of his day to sell it and ship it and print the label and get a box and walk it over. I'm often just buying the biggest size they got is the reality. Oh, right. It's often. Yeah. Like, it's sort of like, well, if this don't fit, nothing is. You know, what am I supposed to do? Yeah. Okay. that makes sense that makes sense but wow not no that well you're but in theory you could take it to the drees store in soho and exchange it or you're buying or you're buying it from a third i'm buying it from dreesvannoten.com and they won't take it at the store wow why didn't you just go to the store because i'm busy you have to return this on revolve i know you can't go to the store you can't go to soho on a beautiful saturday afternoon wow must be nice no but this is actually so funny because it just goes against exactly what i just said i'm like i'm gonna try it on and then it's like, bitch, get up off the chair and go to the store.

1:09:35And I'm like, well, no, I'm just browsing online, perusing. So actually that's so – Queen of contradiction. That's a great store. I really like that store. It's really cool. Yeah, and now I'm scared to even say that about that skirt. Take that out. See, people are going to be like, this bitch is spending money. No, that's – I was thinking about my Colt 100 outfit as well, so I know where you're coming from. Who knows what I'm going to wear? If you see me in a fly skirt, just know. Who knows? God, I guess I have to buy something. I get scared. I get scared about talking about spending money online because I'm not allowed to, I feel like.

1:10:02Jason Stewart:Do you get scared about talking about which parties you get invited to? Because I didn't get invited to the Colt 100 this year. You didn't have to interview Somber for the magazine either, Jason. So you win some, you lose some. All right? But I like what they're doing with Colt. I'm proud of her. I'm proud of what they got going on. I love her. I think she's the coolest. I love talking to her. I think she's so funny. I think it is. Does this person have a name, you guys? Let's shout them out. Sarah Harrelson, who's the founder and editor chief of Cultured Mag. She really figured out something for sure.

1:10:30Yeah, she definitely figured out something. So yeah, I'm excited to go. But no, I'm not scared to talk about parties. I am scared to talk about spending money. I get shook. I get a little timid. I don't think this audience would judge you for spending that money.

1:10:42Jason Stewart:Yeah, our podcast is for people who are okay with buying a nice thing with the money that they worked hard for. Our podcast is also free, so they can't say shit about how we spend our money. Okay, true. When they're paying your ass, they got something to say. Yeah, you're a little bit more beholden. Well, okay, so that's why Taylor Swift will never be talking about how much money she's got. Because she's like, I just got to make it seem like I would. She's just a regular chick. That's only if you're afraid of what people will say. Just stop being afraid and the problem goes away like that. Damn.

1:11:08But I think there's something about like, this might be too deep for the few minutes we have left. But I feel like there's something about like, one, I think it's women in general. But two, I definitely think it's black women where I think they like expect you to be like broke forever. Like they don't want you to transcend any kind of like level. Hold on. Why did your camera just zoom in when you said black woman? That feels like a trick. I don't know. I don't know.

1:11:29Jason Stewart:She has that feature on the meta glasses. That was dramatic. It was. I don't know. So I know what you mean. We want you to be our person that represents us. But then as soon as you level up and succeed to a point where you have sort of moved up to a new echelon, you've left us behind even if you haven't done anything except work hard and succeed. Exactly. So that's why I still get spooked even saying anything. And I remember like one time and I did it. I did it one time and I'll never make that mistake again because I remember I did this like event. My fans were, I know the word fan is so like weird and kind of gross, but we, do we have a better word?

1:12:05Jason Stewart:We call them customers, but I don't want that word either. No. Some people call them listeners or viewers, patrons. I've talked about it with my audience before where I've been like, you guys, what are we going to call this? Cause fans feels like patronizing. It feels kind of condescending. I don't really like that. I don't know what I think listeners is, or in your case, I guess it's watchers. I usually say audience, but whatever. I was talking to my audience at this live event, and they were like, oh, we want to know what you're wearing. We want to know what you're shopping. Tell us more about your personal size, stuff like that, because I'd never really made that a part of my content.

1:12:33And I was like, I'm okay. I don't think that's what I want you guys to focus on. And not even because I'm splurging. It's just kind of like I feel like it's distracting. So anyway, one day I'm on TikTok. I love TikTok, but I can't be on there as much anymore to the point I made earlier about how social media is not as much fun. But as an app, as a platform, I love TikTok. I love the culture of TikTok. I think it's so funny. It's like America's Funniest Home Videos 24-7. So I love it. Anyway, so I was on TikTok and I was like, you know, my audience said they wanted to know this about me. So like, yeah, I'll talk about this.

1:13:00I had bought this Loewe bag. It's Loewe Madrid bag. I'd been like eyeing it for a while. I thought it was fab. It was overpriced. It's very overpriced. Actually, Loewe, I want to talk to you. I'll call you later.

1:13:10Jason Stewart:I think their prices are just perfect. Go ahead. But the bag is$6 ,000, right? And the only reason why I bought this is because the Steve Madden episode had gone so viral on every platform known to mankind that I had changed. Steve bought the bag. Yeah, Steve bought the bag. So I had changed. It wasn't Birkin money, but we'll get the little$6 ,000 low ever. Thank you. Thank you. It was kind of like, okay. So literally like a TikTok check just showed up in the PayPal account. And I don't really check that like that. So I was like, okay, cute. I'm going to go buy myself this bag. Okay, so you're saying I bought this bitch just clip money.

1:13:47Jason Stewart:That ain't even the Patreon money. Yeah, that was just extra money. So then I buy it, and then people are dragging, because I made a TikTok about it. And I was complaining to the web. I'm like, you guys, this wasn't... For what you're spending, this is what I mean by luxury going up, quality going down. I was like, for what you guys are spending on this, maybe this is me tweeting at a brand. Maybe this is it. But I made a video about it, and then people are dragging me for spending the money on the bag. So then I'm like, so this is why I'm not going to tell you guys anything, because do you see do you see how the one time and they don't know it's like clip money they don't know it's like tiktok you know change or whatever they think i'm like oh she's balling out of control she's spending money like this i'm like see this is why so now we can't have anything nice and i'm never going to tell you anything again about what i bought or like have a shot my because i don't want you guys to know and for some reason i feel like i would get it worse than most well maybe maybe one day come on over to the other side go to settings on your patreon page and click cancel account and then come on to this side where but that's the thing it's never the patreon people it's always the audience that are out wide running their fucking mouth it's never you're really your core people and that's that actually that does make that's why i'm like why am i out here in the fucking sewage talking to y 'all like when i can just go talk to my computer we're in the sewage three times a week check us out howlonggone.com is the sewage is all i know girl yeah that's we got we get it out the sewage thank you for joining us It was a pleasure.

1:15:05This was so fun. You're the best. This was so fun. Thank you guys.

1:15:08Jason Stewart:Cutting room floor available on Patreon only. Only on Patreon. I'll see you next week. Factions only Factions show. See you guys. Bye. Bye. Bye.

1:15:34Oh, yes, yes.