937. - Paul W. Downs

20:42Jason Stewart:So they have the big pepper grinder with that cinnamon sugar blast and they go, say when! Keep going, bitch. Keep going. Keep going. So you said you had this as a child in elementary school so you're you're this many years old and your mom is like i'm gonna buy you a 1200 calorie caffeine bomb once at once a week i was very well behaved and did well in school you know so i did i did get i did get sugar sure you bring home all a's we're gonna we're gonna let you kill yourself with chocolate and caffeine but i kind of od'd and so now i am into i now i am into like the healthy you know okay so you the healthy fake dessert which hence the glow nut now i'm into home a bag of what seemed to be chocolate covered Cheerios last night from happier grocer.

21:24And I'd made fun of them because they were, they were so stupid, like health food store dessert. And then she told me they cost$18 and then I tasted them. And unfortunately kind of good, you know what I mean? And that's the thing, a glow nut, a glow nut is not going to touch a Cinnabon. You know, it's not going to touch, it's not going to touch, but it's, it's not bad. It's not bad. It's, it's incredible. It's why I wake up in the morning and I have to tell you, Is Happier Groucher the one that's on Orchard? Canal. Okay. Canal. Maybe there's one on Orchard. I don't know. Maybe not. You've been there before.

21:55I'm sure. I imagine that they would be one of the few places in New York that would carry Glow Nuts. Oh, they're Glow Nutting for sure. Yeah, yeah. For sure. No question. I haven't checked, but I can say with certainty. Okay. Well, go get them because they're out of business. Anyway, it's too sad. We shouldn't really do that. So Glow Nuts is going out of biz. It is. It's out of business. I heard this, but is it voluntary or is it - I think it - Because business is so bad. Great question. I think to break into the specialty food market.

22:23Jason Stewart:A lot of CPG listeners right now. The big grocery is really challenging. So I think it was a little bit of like the market. So many skews right now, the skew wars. It's hard. Why don't you have a little business? I mean, I know you have this TV thing, but what about some other, where are you putting this money besides ceramics? You got to open something or start something. You're so right. I did think, can I save Clownuts? And then I was like, what am I doing? I can't get into specialty health deserts. I don't think you need to buy a distressed asset. I think you could start from scratch. I think that's where you're at.

22:52I think you could take one of your interests and really package it up and sell it to the masses.

22:55Jason Stewart:Yeah, never use your own money for that. You'd have to wrangle up some investors. Your agents at William Morris or CAA do something called packaging. Yes, that's right. Capital's super cheap right now, so I think it's a good time to move. They could put you together with a creator who could kind of make this happen for you. It's so true. It's so true. Well, I'm going to get on that. Now that I have time. Now that Hacks is done, I can start thinking about it. Have you seen, because I'm sure you've seen Glenn Powell's sauce collection. Have you seen that or no? I haven't. Can you believe it? I haven't.

23:20I've got under a rock. Glenn's making ketchup, barbecue sauce, mustards, et cetera. Okay. He's doing the Paul Newman thing. Okay. He's doing the Paul Newman thing. It's for guys like us though. You know what I mean? Very leading man. It's more of a conceal and carry Paul Newman. You know what I mean? But it's in spirit. Yes, he is doing a Paul Newman. Paul Newman's Coachella. This is more of a stagecoach sauce. Yeah, this is a stagecoach business. Yeah, this is a stagecoach business. Okay. I mean, honestly, it'll do really well, I'm sure. And I bet it's not. Wasn't Newman's partially for charity or something?

23:50All for charity. We've told this story on the pod before, but the famous thing is that he made salad dressings in his bathtub and gave them out for Christmas presents to his neighbors, and one of his neighbors was Martha Stewart, and she told him that he should do it, turn it into a business, and then he did, and then it exploded.

24:05Jason Stewart:And he said, can I just get paid in pussy? And they're like, yeah, sure. Yeah, whatever you want, bro. All pods returned to Martha Stewart. I mean that woman her self made billionaire I was with her I was with her over the week I was with her over the weekend at this hotel opening in Italy and okay that's the dream you didn't you didn't say Martha was there Chris Martha was there she was only there for half the time but Martha was there and she really really travels with like a three executive gaze and it's a nice it's a nice mix you know like one guy's here for this one guy's here for you know they're all in the pictures together but she's never alone and I think that's why she's got so much spunk and she's still so with it is because she's going back and forth with these queens 24 hours a day.

24:50Wow. And you've met her before. I know that. I've met her a couple times because she's around. I've heard that. She's around. She was in Milan for Salone, Jason, because she was doing something with Kohler, the sink brand. Of course. Love the good people at Kohler.

25:04Jason Stewart:Excellent. A good sink. I'm glad you're calling. She's the face of Kohler. One of the faces of Kohler. I'm sure you have several Kohlers in your home. The many faces. They build a nice little faucet. so so much like deborah vance on your tv show hacks surrounded by a gaggle of executive gays and you're not really an iconic diva if you don't have that right because like that's so true you can't imagine mariah carey walking down the street dolo you know walking the dog she's got to have oh she's got three at least yeah i actually this sounds braggy but i was at a party once that she came to at someone's home mariah carey thank you for making that this wasn't at the eagle It wasn't at the Eagle, sweetie.

25:41Jason Stewart:This was at a private residence. It was at someone's home. This is pretty good. And she came in with, I think, her security detail, who moved furniture to create a VIP area for her to sit at. I'm not kidding. In the living room. Moved like a love seat, moved a chair, and then there was like a little area. Dude, that is good stuff right there. I've never told that story, but that's true. The gone effect. The question is, the real question is, a Madonna, a Mariah Carey, a Debra Vance. could we get this can we find the buff scary security guards that are also gay so therefore you have it's a one stop you know what i mean that's actually a great character that should have been in hacks that is an amazing character we need muscle but we still can't we can't afford to have a sis on the team like a navy seal that's out of the closet now you know what i mean like it's a there's something that's a navy otter chris it's a navy otter is what we call those there's something there there's something there seal team slay i'm so pissed that we have no more seasons this sucks that is so good yeah season six and a half has just been written right here guys i'm proud of you i'm proud of you guys for going out when the getting's good i feel like that's what i feel like this is becoming a little bit of a trend in hollywood where people know we ain't in that we ain't in it ain't must see tv anymore you ain't got 12 of these in you right you got five and you gotta go yeah yeah leave them wanting more i think is the is the thing but you know there are shows that have been on for many many many many years and good for them Yeah, I love Shelton as much as you do, but I'm just saying, you know, like it's, you know, it's not, I feel like it feels very ABC.

27:11It feels very network television.

27:13Jason Stewart:When Frasier was on every week, it was a different time. You know, we demanded much less of our weekly television programming, you know? That's right. Even though, fantastic program. Great program. Really smart. I mean, of course, of course. One of the greats. But, you know, that was in a pre-classic or trash pre, my attention span is destroyed. why am I going to watch this when I have hot guys on my Instagram or girls? That's right. It's hard to compete now. Have you really been whoring yourself out? That's why we stopped. We were like, oh shit. It's so hard to compete, which is why we quit our jobs.

27:47Well, I don't think of hacks as something that's competing with OnlyFans creators necessarily, but I see where you're coming from. Yes, yes. No, no, no. I think also for ours, we were like, you know, on Atlantic Tracer, we didn't want to do something that was so much a sitcom where the characters didn't change and you could just do it a million times. We really pitched like the full arc and so we were like, you know what? She is going to get there and after that it would have to become a sitcom. It would become a different show. So you're saying when you went in first time you're like, here's the fucking plan.

28:15Like this is the whole thing. We pitched the last episode in every pitch except for HBO Max because they, again, this sounds very self-aggrandizing but they stopped us and they were like, we get it, we'd like to make it before we told them the end. Must be nice.

28:28Jason Stewart:You know what? Stop right there. step right there it was very nice it was very nice so so basically you're getting a you you got a blow job and you're like okay and then i'm i'm gonna reciprocate and they're like no no no sucking your dick was good enough that's all i needed it's easy for something like that to go to your head hey we're done here send over the paperwork you know to his or her own if it gets you off great okay well was that was that beneficial in terms of like the like was was the finale the last episode gonna be something that required you know a big lift budgetary wise or cameo-wise or location-wise that maybe they signed up for before knowing what it was?

29:04We did shoot in France for some of it. So yes, there was that.

29:08Jason Stewart:You're like, oh, by the way, we have to rent out Madison Square Garden for the... Kind of, kind of. Yeah. I don't want to spoil, but we did rent out a pretty major venue. For the record, I have not seen... You sent me the episodes, but I'm watching in real time every week. Thank you. Just do it the right way. I can't. I didn't. Solidarity, sister. These fucking stupid screening, they're too hard to deal with. I don't even, honestly, I don't even care. I can't use it. I get it. It's really, it is, I wish it were more user-friendly. I so agree. Music's the same way. I really think that there's something, Netflix does it where you just use Netflix.

29:43That's really good. And like, I think, we've said this before on the show, Spotify or Apple Music should do this for music. It would be genius if you just, I don't know why no one has done this or tried to do this.

29:52Jason Stewart:It feels so cool. It's like, you go on Netflix and there's like, here's what the regular people see. It's kind of grayed out. And then you, because you have a dumb podcast, you get to watch this now. Isn't that cool? That's amazing. They should absolutely do that. Yeah. No, it's true of even like when we get screeners for Screen Actors Guild or DJ, it is like, now it's getting better. Now there are apps and we can just go on and do it. But it used to be, it's like, I'm not saying, I'm saying that with music, which is more what I'm attuned to, there are three or four different ones right and they're all fine but they're not like on you have to doubt it's just not part of your life right right you know what i'm saying that's the yeah yeah totally you mean for advanced yeah for for an advanced yeah like somebody sends you the record three months ahead and it's like all right well let me use this shitty it's like an email and you have to oh you know it's just a lot i know i can't listen to it any place you would ever listen to music you just have to sit it's like if they instead of sending a screener they send you like a small 19-inch TV and it has a built-in chair and you have to sit in it to watch all nine episodes or whatever.

30:55What a fun experience. It's great. It's great.

30:57Jason Stewart:Okay, well, speaking of Las Vegas, I was just there recently and I like that you filmed that episode in, what's it called? Potato? Oh, the Washing Potato at the Fontainebleau. The Washing Potato, which I... Great looking restaurant. It was funny because Carolyn and I, my wife, we went there a few weeks ago to a restaurant opening, Cantina Contra Mar, at the beautiful Fontainebleau. blue and but oh yes i know yeah you know it well of course i only know because the fondos my home away from home and i know what they're up to and i'm on the emails we're we're both members of the blue crew are you a poodle room are you a poodle room member i am not a member but i was able to visit the poodle room okay there was a live concert oh by um what's his name chris gavin degross oh yeah of course gavin degross live in concert he has a little jazzy you know him and some of his old dogs out there tickling the ivories.

31:47Guys, sorry for the uninitiated. The poodle room is a members club at the Fountain Blue property in Las Vegas.

31:54Jason Stewart:It's like a little slice of the San Vicente bungalows in Vegas. You go up to the top of the elevator to the penthouse suite. They put a sticker over your phone and it's like a speakeasy baller's lounge. I like that, but everybody in there is ugly. Is that because it's Vegas or is that different? They're less attractive than the LA location of the San Vicente bungalow show. Okay, so Paul, you're a member. After spending so much of HBO's money staying in the suite, they've allowed you to kind of grant you access. They have offered me a membership. They've granted me access. So I am a member. If you ever want to go, let me know.

32:26Honestly. You can use my pin. You can get in. Do you think you will ever go back to Las Vegas again as long as you live, though, is the question. That's a great question. I am going back in like three weeks. I'll be back there in three weeks. But not for fun. I'm going to have a blast. I mean it's for Meg and I are presenting at the AMAs so I'm going back to that The American Music Awards In Vegas I would go to that Yeah that sounds fun actually Who's performing let me guess Do you have any guess list I don't even know what category I'm performing in The things are still taking shape Sure of course You have the American Music Awards guys They're super last minute

33:02Jason Stewart:You've spent a lot of time in Vegas over the last number of years and there's a lot of, you know, the discourse around Vegas is like, it's sort of in the shitter. Money's not coming in. Tourism's not coming in. Tourism is down. Have you thought about how you would fix Las Vegas? What you think Las Vegas might need? And are you showing that in your episodes of Hacks? You know, we are. We are. And we've actually alluded to this. One thing that happens this season actually is that they're trying to open a boutique hotel casino, you know that's not like a huge conglomerate that's not like the the fair that you get finally a casino for guys like us that's exactly right um so i do think that would be a great move but then again i'm not sure if i have my finger on the pulse because the fontainebleau used to be um a non-smoking casino and that did not work i loved it i was like this is great it's it smells great in here you know it's like so but people want to go and gamble and yeah you know blast six no actually when i was there get away with that and it did more traffic you know i was smoking in the in the casino at the fountain blue like a month ago and i i i had to look around and see if it was allowed because it felt like it was too clean and non-smoky i know but no i was the only person is now welcome it is now welcome i think i think that making a show about las vegas in general is is the board of tourism should be paying you for that that that's a that's an advertisement in itself.

34:28Jason Stewart:It's no Ocean's 12, but yeah, I mean, are you a little juiced into the town now? Can you give me a Friday night 8 o 'clock at Carbone Riviera or what? I bet you I could. I bet you I could. I will say, I have some, my relationships are kind of deep now with Bellagio and with Caesars and with the Sanlo. I don't know. It's a hospitality town and they are all so welcoming and so nice. Honestly, from day one, they were so welcoming and nice. Every single person, the tourism board, I mean, they know how to entertain and welcome guests. But you would go home as soon as you could. The last time we were there, we stayed two weeks and we just didn't leave.

35:07You stayed for the, because most people, the actors will leave on the weekends because they're like, I have to go home to my family. And I tell you what, they didn't anymore. We did that season one and two. We were like, we're going to do this quickly. We're going to go in and out. We grew to love it. And it's truly a home away from home. I'm not kidding. And this is not like. No, I could see that. I could see you having Stockholm syndrome. We really stayed. It was great. and especially now that like I don't know there's so many good restaurants there you can actually get great food the thing that happens is your lips fall off like you become absolutely raisin you absolutely you shed hair your lips become cracked like human life isn't supposed to be there it's the heat and the dryness it's not meant for life

35:46Jason Stewart:the air conditioning is pumping so strongly because the climate outside is so punishing that even just two days there you feel your body's chemistry changing and now did you would you bring would you bring the 9-11 from la and kind of get outside the city on the weekends or were you just landlocked we were landlocked very landlocked we were stuck there so it's like and you know like marathon runners like their nipples bleed it's like that happens after two days of being there it's it is crazy it is really intense but otherwise you know the entertainment the food the people was great okay okay yeah i'm sure you saw a lot shows you know what i mean i'm sure you're really you know i saw uh i saw wizard of the sphere which i gotta tell you was amazing we had a blast but i didn't see i didn't do like cirque like the weird sex cirque or whatever right we didn't go we didn't go to any of the water fucking by cirque du soleil no we didn't go to water fucking we didn't do i think our crew went to see um david copperfield i think okay yeah that's a that's that feels like a classic kind to move you know what i mean if sir just like sold out epstein islands david copperfield one of the greats right well actually speaking of magic speaking of magic i noticed that this or this season there's a there's a little bit of a theme where you guys sort of not the entire show but the main character and the overall oeuvre of the of the moment is you're taking a stance against magic and magicians we do and i know i know that that community could be a little fierce you know Not so much, you know, like the BTS stan army, but like have has big magic come out of the smoke to get your ass.

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37:39Jason Stewart:You tell yourself no one wants your college-era band tees. But on Depop, people are searching for exactly what you've got. You once paid a small fortune for them at merch stands. Now, a teenager who calls them vintage will offer that same small fortune back. Sell them easily on Depop. Just snap a few photos and we'll take care of the rest. Who knew your questionable music taste would be a money-making machine? Your style can make you cash. start selling on depop where taste recognizes taste not yet they haven't they haven't disappeared us yet no i haven't been saw that by big magic but i will say we were at a we were at an event and there was the magician there uh and we were like oh fuck because it was the the weekend after the episode aired where we firmly come out against the block was still hot uh-huh so we were nervous we were very very nervous you don't want to be around a mentalist who knows you don't care for magic you know and hey i think some magicians are actually magic and they are wizards or whatever some are not so wow you really okay well do you so you're saying you personally don't have an anti-magician stance or speak on it paul we want you to clarify if you could on the record if you could just clarify it feels like when you said some of them are actually kind of good i didn't really believe you okay okay so sometimes okay okay i speak okay i'm gonna go i'm gonna go and say okay sure i i i was uh as charlie said i was talking out of my ass guys i don't know i don't know i um you know how it is sometimes you're like whoa how did they do that and sometimes i don't know sometimes you're like this is absolutely not for me i i have a i wish i had like a very hard line on magic but i have a really hard line okay well there's a there's a scene there's a seen on the most recent episode where Hannah Einbinder is sort of saying something similar to that.

39:33Jason Stewart:The poof. She's like, it's cringe. She thinks tricks are very cringe. Did you or did your wife write that dialogue? That's a great question. I don't think either of us pitched that. I don't know where it came from the writer's room. I don't know who pitched that. Classic. Blame the writer's room. Blame the eight people eating gummy worms all day. Oh my god. I'm giving credit. I'm giving credit where it's due. Me and my wife write the show, but I don't know who did it. It must have been... Believe me, I would love to take credit for it. I'd be like, it was me. That was my idea and mine alone. But we have seven writers.

40:04Okay. Plus Jan, Lucia, and myself. Damn. So there's a bunch of people. I think there's this... I actually have the affliction where I usually think I pitched it, which is really a bad habit to be like, I think I could.

40:15Jason Stewart:If it was good, it was probably me, ladies. Yeah. But no, I don't know where that one came from. It's also been... It's been a minute. That was two years ago. Yeah, yeah, sure. okay when we when we are introing you let's let's pivot to sports when we're introing you chris mentioned you went to duke i i heard that you used to get a swimmer as a youngster where were you on the were you a blue devil swimmer you know i walked on for a week and i was like no it was you know it's d1 it was very intense i was i was captain of my swim team in high school i was competitive but i was not private or public be honest with us private yeah okay but but i went to public school through fifth grade my mom's a public school teacher well as she's retired now as are a bunch of my aunts and uncles like i come from a public school family but um when i was in sixth grade i'm from a really rural part of new jersey and i went to a school that had two kids in sixth two kids in seventh four kids in eighth grade and we were all in one room so my mom was like either you're learning eighth grade material or they're learning six that sounds like weirdly quaker or sciontologist or something that doesn't sound okay i know but it wasn't it wasn't so anyway i did i did go to private school technically it counts okay what was your what was your event uh 100 meter butterfly okay so if we got in the if we got the pool right now does it come right back to you you know i think i could yes i think i could beat you is that what you're asking i wasn't i don't have a swimmer's build i'm more athletic than that um so i don't i don't know i'm a little it comes back to a degree but i certainly don't have the stamina i once had i get tired really fast who of us does hey i feel you brother what's the uh what's the but what was it i've always you know when you're a swimmer and i know this is a sport and it's taken seriously but when you're an adolescent wearing a speedo i imagine there's some ribbing going on amongst the the team or or was it free and clear because everybody's in the pool unless you have a big cock then it's okay yeah yeah yeah but it's that's a lot of drag that's not good for your that's not All the guys with big dicks were on water polo.

42:20Jason Stewart:We just kind of swam. Me, I was a hundred meter butterfly. Don't worry about me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cut through the water. You know, the Speedo thing, it weirdly becomes a non-issue. It's like, I guess, being part of a nudist colony. You're like, well, this is normal. No, totally. I would always assume that, but then when you put the 12-year-old mind there, I feel like, do those two things compute? You know what I'm saying? That was always my... I guess ironically, or pun intended, you're jumping into the deep end of locker room life as a young child. Literally. And also, you know, when you're on the swim team and you're, if you are, I feel like if you are actually competitive, you're also shaving your body.

42:57It's kind of, it's kind of, it's like. Because I know you famously have so much body hair, especially when you were younger. I did have a lot of body hair when I was younger. Luckily, like the repeated shavings actually made it much more tame. It's much, you know what I mean? It actually, it worked.

43:10Jason Stewart:It's, they lie to you about that. It actually. It's the opposite of what you think. Do you still pick up the blade every once in a while and give a once and just a little see how it feels again? No, I don't, but I really should. I remember being a very weird sensation. How many years has it been since you've had a full tuck and roll? A full shave? Like shave? A whole thing. Competition-ready detail job. You know, I think it was probably my senior year of high school, so it's been seven years. I think you and I are exactly the same age, I think. 43. Yes. Yeah, I think. Okay. I will confirm it. Okay.

43:44Well, I'm glad you were able to go on the record about something. Thank you for that. Yep. Hey, you're right. I really chickened out about magic. I'm sorry. It's okay. We don't have magicians. Hopefully, we don't have any magicians listening to this. I hope you do. I hope you do.

43:55Jason Stewart:They're coming for your ass. We got a couple. Okay, let's get in. On the subject of some eating and some disordered eating, I always think about like you love, right? When you hear about swimmers, Michael Phelps eats a whole large pepperoni every day. He's got 6 % body fat because he's burning so many cows. When you were an 18-year-old hairless stud swimming through the water, what was your caloric intake? What were you eating? What was going on? I had a Krispy Kreme jelly donut every morning. And I was having it with – when I was in high school, I was having it with raspberry mocha. You know what I mean?

44:35I was really – again, I was like a sugar fanatic. I was hoping you were going to say a tall glass of whole milk, you know but i i see that that the sugar was more of a draw for you sugar was the draw although i used to you know i used to cream of wheat do you guys know what that is yeah i used to i used to enjoy some cream you really you really do have a dichotomy of like a really old guy i know you

44:56Jason Stewart:have a lot of old guy i mean he grew up in in rural new jersey a lot of that a lot of his parents generation you know he was living that life i was how far from manhattan are we talking to get to manhattan was probably like an hour 45 on the train or in a car okay okay in a car i think what we would do is we would drive to um the dover train station and take the midtown director which was like another hour and a half and it was like 45 minutes to dover so it was like a two hour 10 minute commute if you were really commuting your parents were taking you to the store you know at 15 to see if louis ck was there exactly um we ain't have trains where i was from but my town had a livestock auction every tuesday that's fun something for everybody to get together like it really was it is a it is a legit rural place even though here in new jersey you're like oh it doesn't it's not rural but i think of beaches and i think of newark like i don't think you're right rural is the last thing that comes to mind but obviously it makes sense yeah like northwestern new jersey where i'm from is where like new york new jersey pennsylvania met my wife is always saying just say upstate new york because people understand that's like catskills that's like the Appalachian Trail.

46:03That would be a lie. So she's a liar too. I see what that is. She's like, rewrite your history.

46:07Jason Stewart:I hear upstate, I think Stissinghouse, you know, I don't think New Jersey. Yeah, it's more romantic, I would say, to say Catskills. Yeah, very much, yeah. But I was near, I was like, I was closer to the Poconos than I was to Manhattan. You know? To Manhattan. Like they always ask you, like, what's your mall? Like, if you're from New Jersey. The nearest mall was 15 minutes away, but what was closer was Woodbury Commons Premium Outlet Center. Of course. For us, maybe you're familiar. I'm very. Okay. So that was like half hour from my turn. Oh, okay. So you were wearing designer your whole life then.

46:42Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was getting Gucci bell bottoms for like 60 bucks. Yeah, yeah. It's cheap. And I would wear them in high school. I like that you sound like you grew up in the 60s. That you grew up in the 60s. Well, it was Tom Ford era. So it was, you know, there was like... Wow. There was some flair. There was some flair.

47:01Jason Stewart:I was buying Tom Ford Gucci off the rack at the time. I see what you were trying to do there. I see what you did there. Did you keep all of those archival pieces, those archival outlet pieces? You know, I do have a couple. I still have a... This is crazy that I had this in high school. But again, because I lived by the outlet and because you could go on Christmas Eve, things were like 90 % off. Oh, they're giving it away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool. Throwing it out. They were about to send it to the island or whatever or burn it or whatever they do. so i do have a i do have a um still very oversized never fit me don't know why i got it because it was 90 off but i have a leather blazer yeah that was like a tom ford gucci era leather blazer and i have a a purple sweatshirt that has a gigantic gucci written across the chest i still have those and i still wear them one of those is more wearable than the other very much but hard to tailor leather famously hard to very hard to alter yes you know so i was with an actor yesterday who will go unnamed okay we were like oh do you we were we were shooting him for something we're like oh do you like these clothes because it's all this brand new design you know what i mean and he was like i don't this is my job like you guys do whatever you want like i don't think about this at all like i am i am merely here i am the vehicle but didn't have an you are the gas had no opinion no didn't have it i mean he would have an opinion on like oh this doesn't actually fit but otherwise style stylistically he was just like oh this is it was unbelievable he was like oh this is my job i'm just down for it and also this is a person who i'll say it and bleep it so he knows is that okay yeah yeah sure okay okay it's now it's it's coming into focus sure okay it's an act but i'm i guess my point is this is an actor who's always sort of seen as good looking like he never looks goofy or bad so for somebody who's willy-nilly you guys do whatever the hell you want i don't even think about fashion he always looks pretty sharp yeah i am actually surprised in that way he does you know he wears clothes well because it's so easy for actors to look awful when they just let their stylist it felt free i was like damn this is this is like a this is the level above where you're just like i bro i don't know i'm i'm your i am your doll dress me yeah but you do you because you now you're going to all these award shows you're winning all these emmys and shit you have an opinion i assume i do i have opinions yeah i'm a little exacting p-dub is a fashion killer i do trust the people i work with though you know My stylist is very good.

49:21I am open to things that normally I wouldn't pick off the rack for myself. Who's your stylist? Rose Ford. Okay. And so you go into the room and you're like, all right, there's 10 things. I like these three. And you're good to go. Yeah. She's not. No, no, no. She's often. Well, usually what usually happens is it's down to two. We're very split on two. Yeah. And then usually like the day of, it's like what feels good that day. And that's what we end up doing. but she's very exacting in a way that I really like and I'm like because I trust her it's very nice and I've worked with other great stylists but I do appreciate her vision you know but do you like wearing a suit in general like are you comfortable in a suit yeah I actually do I think that's a big difference here I think there's some people that really hate it and some people that don't mind

50:09Jason Stewart:I love it it's the easiest way to dress especially since we all have swimmers well you and I have swimmers builds it's easier for that Chris, not so much. He's more athletic, of course. But I love the ease of a suit. You throw it on, doesn't matter what's under it, really. You tuck in your shirt and you don't wear a dumb pair of shoes and you're good anywhere. It's very comfortable, easy, blah, blah, blah. But you have to do a lot. You'll do one award show. You'll do whatever, five a year. You put on the suit, you put on the tux. I think every time you have to do the after episode fake video podcast thing where you wear your like casual top and and pants yeah and and you have to have a different look for each episode after recap yeah yeah so that that feels like the real challenge versus like what color suit that is more of a challenge i will say more like casual dressing is in some ways harder yeah although i don't know i think if you're gonna if you're trying to like actually pull a serve i think it is harder for men with suits because they're a little bit like my wife is always like it's so much easier to put on a suit but I'm like yeah but if you want to actually it's true you don't want to serve that's the issue men shouldn't be serving straight men serving isn't for us we've got we're the president you know what I mean we can be president women can we can't serve Chris you're you're too afraid to serve that's the issue I'm not afraid to serve I think when it no I think specifically when it comes feeling very draft dodger sorry yeah I think you can serve I think anyone can when it comes to suits I think that men experimenting with suits have led us down some dark, dark Connor Story-ass pathways.

51:43Okay, okay, okay. I'm not going to disagree with that. I think you're right. Like a see-through shirt, a no shirt underneath. I don't care if you're Michael B.

51:50Jason Stewart:Jordan. An Adrian Brody brooch that's about the size of a pie tin. I just think that I get you don't want to be boring, especially if you're an A-list actor. I totally understand that. But I just think that the tuxedo specifically is a tough thing to add to. in a way that is good. Like a cummerbund is the best you can do. Cumberbund bow tie. I have done. Yeah, cummerbund's great. But I think that does it. You know, you do something like that. Yeah, I agree. A little, you know, you're a little off center. I think that's good. Because I agree, I'm more of a classic tailing kind of guy. Not into the no shirt, not into the no shirt, the pie tin pin.

52:30The no shirt thing, I think we've, I think it may be, I think we may be past it. It was a tyranny of at least a year. I would say maybe two. Yeah. And don't even get me started on the Grammy Awards. People show in a fucking... Well, they'll do whatever. They're no pants. Oh, I know. I can't wait for the AMAs. It's going to be insane. AMA. Well, you know Meg's going to wear something fucked up, so you got to... I know what she's wearing, actually. The AMAs are my Magala. You're about to get mogged by Meg at the fucking AMAs. I'm about to get mogged by Meg. It's really hard. It's really hard. Mogged by Meg.

53:00She looks good at everything. She looks good at everything. She's having fun with it, and that is a lost art. Yes. That is really a lost art. Yes, that is so true. she is having fun and we've done some things together and it is so fun to have a actually to have a bit not to make you know you shouldn't always play the fool but i do think when you have a bit at one of those things it's so much more fun yeah yeah it's the amas it's like yeah i don't i'm not a musician who gives a fuck i'm just here to have fun like i'll present my award

53:25Jason Stewart:do you guys have do you guys are you workshopping your ama fashion we do have we do have a thought for the for the really yes so how does this go down does this is this something that maybe one of you leads and the other is like oh what if we added this and that or you know whatever how does it go down yeah i think we try not to like chase the dragon it's like it has to come to us the muse has to come to us but one of us is like we could do this i mean we did you know we did the chrome hearts orange thing and uh oh yeah i forgot about that my my how did i forget about that that was so you didn't get enough recognition for that that was so stupid really It was insane.

54:04It was insane. But it was the most fun we've ever had. It was the most fun we ever had. And like truly other people at the show were like, can we get a picture? It was, you know what I mean? Other actors wanting a picture that we were like, sure. You know, it was very bizarre. How did that go down construction? How much lead time did we need? so this is what was crazy so my sister-in-law genevieve was like you need to do like marty supreme press tour stuff and so i was like meg we should do this orange outfit um so shout out to genevieve for pitching that this was like over like the it was like around christmas time meg was like we're doing it i was like maybe we do this for our premiere in the spring and she was like no it has to be now it must be now we're doing it for critic which was in seven days she was like we're doing it in seven days and i was like meg and her stylist um cat pulled it together found somebody um found this woman erica to make the dress and the suit and did it in like seven days i think didn't stop for seven days it really works though it was really funny it was fun we it was it made the night did did timothy get in touch his publicist did come over to us and said timmy's late but i want to show you this and she showed us her phone where she had texted the picture and he wrote incredible yeah and i was like oh great so he's not mad just like no he loved it this is great yeah that's the whole reason i mean he you know that only helps his case really yeah he he said and then and then we did meet him at the actor awards and he was like it was actually he was like let's get a picture we got a picture and he's like okay we got it it was very quick moment but we got a picture and beg meg has gone on the record she's been like he asked us he asked you he he got ahead of it though he got ahead of it maybe maybe maybe can be kind.

55:42Let's differentiate. That is a big differentiator. It really is. He asked you, not the other way around. That counts for something.

55:48Jason Stewart:I'm going to insult myself before you guys have the chance to. I'm going to ask for a selfie before all you guys ask me first. Have you asked? I would never actually. Have you ever asked anyone for a picture? I did get a picture with Carol Burnett when she guest starred on the show. I did want a picture with Carol Burnett. That's pretty good. Normally, I wouldn't. Even if I really want it, there's something I'll only do it if who did I do it with Jason at that at the Marty Supreme after party the guy from Shark Tank oh Mark Cuban I had to flick up with Cuban but also I waited all night famously with President Bill Clinton oh President Bill Clinton we saw Bill Jason I saw Bill Clinton at a restaurant this is like this was like 2015 or something at ABCV at ABCV and I just leapt into action because Jason's really tall so he got the he had the angle ready to rock and the way the picture is positioned and we're shaking hands, it looks like we are running for office together.

56:40That is perfect. We need to frame it. And then only 24 hours later, the Epstein stuff did come out. So the timing wasn't great for me personally.

56:47Jason Stewart:Yeah, I noticed there's a change in the comment section before and after. But I think you're right. It's tough to... I don't know. The Mark Cuban thing was funny and he thought it was funny because he's like, why is this guy? Who the fuck is... You know what I mean? He doesn't expect... I think he didn't expect a person that looked like me to want to picture with him, I guess is what I'm saying. Sure, sure, sure. You know, which is, that's fun. It's usually virgins who ask for a selfie, so it's weird to see a cool guy. No, but my polo shirt, it's, no, you can like spray ketchup on it, it washes right off.

57:18I'm just looking for an investment.

57:20Jason Stewart:Paul, we both kind of devote this podcast on our lives to Twitter, and I feel like you're still on Twitter, aren't you? I am. I dip in and out. I go on and I'm like, you know, I will post something or repost something, but I'm not on it all the time. Okay. I gotta admit. But when you're working, do you lock in, get the brick out, and you don't look at your phone type shit? Lucia bricks. She bricks and she bricks hard. So she is off. I don't do that. I look. And in fact, when I'm like. I'm able to do it without the brick. But I guess that's cute for her. If you need it, I guess that's fine. Some people need different things.

57:56Yeah, she does need it. I have an incredible amount of willpower. But no, I will open it and just scroll literally for no reason between takes. sometimes just to i think it's just like a stress relieving thing yeah but um it's like a little cigarette for your eyes yeah i'm probably the least online person of anybody that makes the show that that that is i know that's bad probably for what we're doing here but it's true no well they're

58:21Jason Stewart:all of your writers are online so you don't have to be they're very online which is very online jenna's very online if i had to work with joe mandy every day i'd be fucking yeah i'd be doing He is incredibly online. Yeah, he makes memes like a teenager. He's doing it different. He's making a meme. We'll have a joke in the room and we'll continue to go. He'll have the meme up within 30 seconds. He's like, you guys keep going. Did you get my sweet green? I just got to get this meme done. It's crazy. That's a skill in itself, though. I think I have a hard time with it. Jason has less of a hard time with it.

58:57but I think when you're in a group like that where it's so you're sort of together for these certain periods of time it's really easy to pick up on the patterns of who's doing what. 100 % yeah and he is because we do most of it over Zoom. We're in person like once a week and then we're over Zoom so he's doing his background is constantly a clip art of whatever the joke is that we've just you know what I mean and it's changing all day long. In some ways I'm like brother. Like are you good bro? Graphic designer. You're a graphic designer but he's also brilliantly funny so I guess.

59:24Jason Stewart:You're like I don't think maybe this industry is not for you have you ever thought about graphic design if you put even half the amount of work you put into your graphic designs you would be have you seen his hats have you seen the embroidery hats that he does yes which yeah which and also now it's become a thing i've seen it i have also seen that online that people are doing it more and more and i'm like i think he started that i don't know he started that whole thing during covid and now i see it a lot it's a real etsy thing to do yeah yeah very etsy thing to do my mom's probably gonna make me one for my birthday this year you know what i mean 100 good for the original if she does that's a great gift it is a great gift it's very personal oh it's my rudolph who i saw i saw my rudolph wearing one on some late night show and i'm like who made that and maya knows joe she was on the good place which she wrote on um but anyway i'm sure i'm sure somebody knows somebody at a wagon wheel or something you know hooked it all up what are you what are you gonna so what are you gonna do now big bro great question um because hbo owns you right we we are we are on a deal there i'm sorry i don't like to use industry terms but you're in an overall with hbo yes hbo owns us we're developing something for them um and it's just development it's not like a greenlit but we're still early days still early days i think what we'd like to do next is a limited as much as um that i think is not okay lazy ass all right exactly limited okay exactly we're trying to be lazy so one for you one for you got it okay exactly yeah they love that over there just you know launching a new show would be um quite an undertaking we're a little burned out we're tired the pace was really insane and how how old is your how old is your guy's kid now he's four he turned four in mark yeah so there's intense times right now it is most important job of of the world dad show running oh dad right Jason, don't act like these people.

1:01:10Don't act like they don't have a staff, bro. They ain't bringing that little motherfucker to Vegas. They got people for that, bro. They're doing well. He does come to Vegas, and he loves Vegas. And the last time he was there, he went to a restaurant, and this person walked over and said, you're very well behaved, and handed him a$100 bill. Vegas is absolutely nuts, and it's amazing. The thing is that he really wanted to do slot machines because it looks like it's games. And we had to be like, no. He sat at one of the slot machines, and they were like, it's a$2 ,000 fine if he doesn't get off that right now.

1:01:37like they are so serious about it so it was like this is a playground for adults which is very hard for a kid to compute because it does look like a kid it looks like a fun house yes and i've heard you guys talk about the arcade drop-off thing that they used to have they don't really

1:01:50Jason Stewart:have that yeah they don't really have i mean that's that's one way to circle the square to help save vegas again is give it create a place to dump all these fucking kids obviously four years old you're not gonna leave them stranded in an awesome arcade no you know some when they're 13, 14, sure. He's sports gambling, at least on his phone though, right? That's the thing. His phone, he does have a lot of debt built up. It's quite bad. When he wants iPad time, that means fan duel. His DraftKings is not looking great this season. It's actually DraftKings. It's based on color. He's choosing teams based on color.

1:02:29They're uniform. I don't know the games. I love blue.

1:02:32Jason Stewart:This is a very it's not good this is very idiocracy as a documentary like how long until they have sports betting for kids you know what I mean that's right actually he might do well he's very lucky are you into optioning books and shit or do you want it to come all from the brain you know we it's so funny the thing that we're working on is from a book but we're very very rarely interested in that. We do like it to be generated from us. But also, you guys come from an improv background, right? We do. Yeah, we met it. I'm sorry to hear that. I know. I apologize. I'll pray for you. It's really rough.

1:03:14Jason Stewart:So you need to be the spark for the flame. Kind of. That's fine. It feels easier. Makes the deal memo less messy, right? I think it does. I think it does. What's it like working with your wife, though? Because that sounds hard. Hell on earth. No offense to my wife, but I ain't trying to do all that. I know. Well, you know, in this business, we've certainly not worked together on things. And she or I have been apart for a long time. And that, I think it's harder. I think that's harder. It's hard. Yeah. You know, when you're in, I didn't think about that part. Yeah. When you're in Vancouver for a long time and you're not seeing your partner, it's kind of hard.

1:03:45Especially if they're into Asian chicks, you got to be careful up there in Vancouver. Oh, something to think about. Okay, good.

1:03:50Jason Stewart:Especially if you both have the same job and one person got the job and the other person didn't. That's rough. When you're competing with your partner for the same role, it's really hard. You should go audition for this, music video. I'm just going to stay in the car. Hey, you kid, come in here. Wouldn't that be hell? I have two male friends who that happened to where their girlfriend was a model and they went with them to the casting. They were like, yeah, you're great. Who is that? They had full careers and the girl did not. He's like a hot skater sitting in the lobby like a board. It's a perfect storm.

1:04:25Those people are always amazing. I find people are like the best most natural actors you know totally that's how you get a Matthew McConaughey right yeah I don't know man I just showed up man that's right exactly oops yeah I didn't think about the I didn't think I always forget that these things are so all encompassing that you just like yeah you're gone it does consume your life so it is nice in that way it's like you're you're getting to be with your partner but there's so many challenges but we have we've figured out pretty early on the way to make it work for us the way that we're like let's just do positive reinforcement and make this pleasant again doesn't mean that we don't have moments that are hard but we have no but i guess we also have three we have we're doing we do with our best friend so there's a tiebreaker so it's kind of oh but i bet they're so lucky that sounds awesome yeah well but guess what sometimes i'm a tiebreaker because they're you know what i mean like it depends like the cuck chair rotates it's a musical chair it's absolutely right yes it's musical that makes it a lot more fun i guess yeah i guess that the but I guess the question really is that are you able to shut it off when you're at home you know what I mean yeah I didn't think so we can't shut it off no I didn't think so I mean that that seems unrealistic in some ways you know I I I don't know I don't mind that you know yeah because in some ways it's like your homework's never done you're always doing homework and yet you can do it in a like casual way like you're falling asleep you're like this is a good idea for this you know what I mean it's like it becomes a little bit it's a little bit less like intense nine to five feeling and I don't know we like talking about something we've watched or something we've written we like doing that stuff and it does feel like it's part of the work

1:05:54Jason Stewart:how do you guys fall asleep at night? we usually scroll for a little bit who rolls the blunt you or her? her she's rolling the blunt she's rolling the blunt yeah she's rolling the blunt and then she's usually like okay it's time to turn off the light that's how it goes even though I'm always like we have to get to bed early I want to guillotine above my bed so that at a certain hour this thing goes and we have to be down and sleeping. Oh, that's a good idea. I really want that because it's inevitable that I'll be so fatigued the next day and I'll be like, I'm so tired. So what time were you hitting the hay then if we're trying to go?

1:06:28What's early to you? Like by 11, that would be great, but it's very rare. Bro, that's late. I'm talking 9 o 'clock. Get on my level. Oh, I wish. I wish. My kid doesn't go to bed until 9 o 'clock. Well, that's bad parenting. He's four years old. I know. I know, but he's never slept much. He just wants to be awake. He only sleeps 10 hours max.

1:06:47Jason Stewart:He's got his daddy's sugar dependency. Gotta go fast. He's got five parlays going at once. He can't show his eyes. It's adrenaline. You know how it is when you're a gambling junkie. I do know how that is. You've got a lot surging. I know how that is. He's not going to grow an inch. All that cortisol and adrenaline. It's okay. He can swim. alright well thank you so much for potting with us Paul hope you had fun and congrats on the final season I'm fans you guys I'm fans I'm a fan of yours Lucia came up to us I think at the Emmys or something and said something but I haven't seen her since so please give her do you want to know why this laptop was set up by Lucia she is like this has to she wanted to sound good she's going to be listening you know what I mean I'm like I'm getting stressed out this is supposed to be fun we're talking culture maybe there's a little jealousy yeah there could be a little jealousy I don't want this to cause problems at home we'll do the best we can you guys are helping me you're giving me street cred and thank you for hacks honestly it's great it's one of the best things that's happened on TV in a very long time thank you very much for watching it I'm glad you guys wrapped it up when the time was you're smart I appreciate that because so many people are like why are you doing this it's really nice to hear that you never want a 7th heaven out right no molest you mean molest no yeah i do not want to molest at all just to be clear syndication's not worth it no molesting uh yeah uh all right thanks paul all right thank you guys have a good one later Later.