941. - Chris & Jason

8 May 2026 · 1 h 3 min · 22 chapters

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In short

Episode topic: The hosts trade travel and food stories from New York, London, and Paris, then riff on current events and pop culture. They debate ivermectin/“natural immunity” claims tied to Marjorie Taylor Greene and discuss CBD/THC for sleep and jet lag. They also argue about what it means when a Met Gala interviewee says he doesn’t have a favorite Beyoncé song, and they swap menswear takes (pocket squares, suspenders) plus hotel/locker-room mishaps.

Guests

No guests appear in the transcript. The episode is between Chris and Jason (plus recurring mentions of friends like Brodinski, Carolyn, and Yago, but they don’t join as guests).

Key claims

Ivermectin is framed as a “back” remedy for hantavirus, with ivermectin/“Big Mectin” conspiracy talk; THC/CBD are suggested as symptom mitigators; “metal” listening doesn’t justify accusations of racism for not naming a Beyoncé song.

Notable examples

River Cafe lunch pizza details; Athos (formerly Nobu) hotel locker/free-balling story; Met Gala Beyoncé interview controversy; “Six Inch” discussion; restaurant reviews (Marcel, Tiela Trattoria) and desserts (baba au rum, “the window”).

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Chapters

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Lunch Experience at River Cafe

0:46 to 3:07

A humorous discussion about their indulgent 'light lunch' and pizza toppings.

“But yeah, the pizza was petite and it was light and perfectly cooked, of course.”

Cultural Observations and Ivermectin

3:08 to 6:10

The hosts share thoughts on modern health trends, including Ivermectin and societal shifts.

“As we were walking away from each other, him back to the kitchen and me to the dining room, he just yelled out the word parasocial as he walked away.”

The Changing Narrative on Drugs

6:11 to 6:41

Discussion on the evolving perceptions around drugs like Ivermectin and ketamine.

“But I see here in the responses to this tweet from Marjorie Taylor Greene, a true anon pod has commented, CBD also very effective at mitigating symptoms.”

International Smoking Culture

6:42 to 10:40

Exploring the differences in smoking culture between France and the U.S.

“time zones and this and that and blah, blah, blah.”

Discussion on Pop Culture and Music

15:03 to 19:10

The hosts discuss various cultural topics, including perceptions of women in Turkey and reactions to celebrity statements.

“But that's not, I mean, yeah, but they don't like women.”

Analyzing the Song 'Six Inch' by Beyoncé

19:10 to 21:30

The hosts analyze the meaning behind Beyoncé's song 'Six Inch' and its themes of female empowerment.

“Any fucking ladies leave their man at home.”

Freeballing and Fashion Choices

21:30 to 28:00

A humorous discussion about freeballing and fashion choices, leading to reflections on personal experiences.

“I think metal to him means, metal to him means either deft tones, Metallica, or he could be Converge Mastodon.”

Dashboard Confessional Reflections

28:00 to 29:10

Exploration of Dashboard Confessional's enduring appeal and lyrical depth.

“wow, I really wish Chris was here so you guys could talk about this thing that you both like so much because I never really had a dashboard phase.”

Night Out Plans and Music Discoveries

29:10 to 31:30

Discussion of missed events and excitement for upcoming shows in NYC.

“You're like, so you don't take any free head at all, okay?”

Dining Experiences at New Restaurants

31:30 to 33:50

Details about dining at Marcel and the unique dishes served.

“like a big expensive New York restaurant.”
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Honor Bars and Fun Dining Ideas

33:50 to 35:40

Conversations about innovative drink policies and enhancing dining experiences.

Stories from a Dinner Out

35:40 to 41:40

Narration of a frustrating dining experience due to loud patrons.

“I wouldn't mind getting to that point as well.”

Dart Collective: The Cool Wedding DJs

42:00 to 43:29

Learn about Dart Collective and their unique approach to DJing events.

“and artists, many of whom have their own productive careers or tour in bands you've heard of.”

Dining Out: A Restaurant Experience

44:00 to 46:10

A humorous take on a dining experience and cultural observations.

“Because I feel like maybe if she was a baddie, you would have found it in your heart to kind of power through if the view was good is all I'm trying to say.”

Fashion Choices and Pocket Squares

46:11 to 48:27

Discussing personal style, pocket squares, and fashion preferences.

“When we were in Paris, we went to the Charvet store.”

The Suspension Argument

48:28 to 50:35

Exploring the benefits and perceptions of suspenders in fashion.

No Doubt and Female Pop Stars

50:36 to 53:06

A conversation about No Doubt's cultural impact and Gwen Stefani.

Celebrity Sexuality and Public Perception

53:07 to 56:00

Discussing the complexities of celebrity sexuality and public expectations.

“So you're saying there's nothing binary about being bi?”

The Confusion of Identity in Music and Fashion

56:00 to 57:28

Explore how personal identity influences fashion choices in music culture.

Aloe and the Evolution of Men's Fashion

57:28 to 58:55

Discuss the surprising rise of Aloe clothing among men and its cultural implications.

“Body Melville is skims for the Urban Outfitters set.”

Substack's New Video Podcast Exploration

58:55 to 1:01:18

A discussion on Substack launching a video podcast and its potential appeal.

“It's somebody who's not a professional storyteller telling a story drunk on a podcast.”

The Future of Video Podcasts in Media

1:01:18 to 1:03:20

Examine the rise of video podcasts and their impact on traditional media narratives.

“So we're going to film a new How Long Gone today.”
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Transcript

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0:17Jason, is that you? How long gone? Uh, we are, we're, it's a, the sun is shining in New York. The temperatures have fallen just a little bit. There's a fall, you know, chill in the air, which I'm not mad at if I'm keeping it a whole buckaroon-y with you, Jason.

0:31Jason Stewart:Okay, okay. Well, it's the same thing over here. You absolute bellend. We just got back from a lovely light lunch at the River Cafe. Nothing says light lunch like a pizzette. Do you know what I mean? When I think of light lunch, that's one of my favorites. Are you being sarcasm? No, I would never. Are you being sarcasm? I am a little bit, I have to say. Even though the pizzette is quite thin, it does feel like a little bit of an indulgence at lunch it is thin i think it's uh it is topping dependent and although my my pizza was what was the what was it well yeah topping dependent is right bro what is the i've been reading ryan o 'connell's book too much oh bro reading ryan o 'connell's book really make me be like you gay guys really are demented everything it's it's some twisted shit in these books yeah even even sorry for the uh aside but even even ryan mentioned that you know like you know when you're a kid like growing up in you know in the 80s or 90s and people would talk about how like homosexuality would be considered a mental disease um and and he was like i've i met some gay guys you know from boston and chicago and provincetown who you know i started i started to understand that claim a little bit more he wouldn't put that i'd put it on him too but that's that's a different conversation those are those are the words of him not us of course we we do not have the authority to speak on tops or bottoms no No, we don't.

1:55Jason Stewart:But yeah, the pizza was petite and it was light and perfectly cooked, of course. And even though there was some sage and some kind of wilted greens on top as well, some capers and I think even some small thinly shaved lemon. Oh. There was also kind of like a telegio style of cheese on it. Okay, sure. It's not super funky like a blue, but it has some stink to it and it has a little barnyard chew to it as well. You love a barnyard chew, historically, from what I remember. Not crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not an overpowering barnyard chew. Just enough to get the palate wet. That reminds me of the baseball gum, the little, what was that called?

2:35Jason Stewart:What are you talking about? Big League Chew? Big League Chew, yes. Barnyard Chew, Big League Chew. There's something going on there. I'll pack a lip right now, bitch. Don't test me. I'll put a fat-ass lip of Big League Chew. You used to love to pack a little Big League Chew. Now that everybody's in, I think they forgot about Big League Chew. You know, I bet sales are down. Yeah, when we took the train over there and then kind of walked along the River Thames, she's seen better days, but popped in and then one of the cooks who was working there came out when we were walking in and said that he was a big fan of the pod and we had a little chit chat.

3:07Jason Stewart:So shout out to you. I forgot. Or actually, we didn't exchange names. Even better. But it was funny. As we were walking away from each other, him back to the kitchen and me to the dining room, he just yelled out the word parasocial as he walked away. And I was like, that was great. I wish every interaction could be like that. I love that. Whoever you are, cook at the River Cafe. We need more of you. Shout out to you, big bro. Well, I mean, back here stateside, I just wanted to put you. I know you're not really paying attention to what's going on. You're enjoying yourself in London. It's a different country.

3:44Things are different.

3:45Jason Stewart:I'm paying attention. I know about the Met Gala and Spencer Pratt and hentai virus. The list goes on. Well, I was going to say, because I texted with one of our friends this morning, Marjorie Taylor Greene. What's that old bird up to? Well, she let me know that this new virus that's coming from the cruise ships, guess what will fix it, Jason? It's going to blow your mind what's going to fix it. Republican Congress. Ivermectin. We're back, baby. All the stash you got from COVID, you can bring that back out of the garage fridge. Let's start taking that shit. Okay. So it turns out the ant spray also kills the roaches and it also kills the spiders.

4:30Look, for those of us who refuse to lock down, mask up, and get vaxxed, took the good old horse paste and also developed natural immunity. Hell yeah, brother. We're back, baby. Another disease has come forth to divide our already cracked nation.

4:46Jason Stewart:Yeah. Can't wait. You can't wait. And they can't wait to line the pockets of Big Mectin once again. I think the national or the world narrative and opinion about Ivermectin has really shifted since the first pandemic that we went through in the 2020s. Now we're on number two. but I think everyone is kind of cool with ivermectin and we're kind of saying like no biggie like and unfortunately like Joe Rogan is sort of primarily responsible for spreading awareness about ivermectin I mean I think now that we're in a it's the same thing as ketamine it's like when you were raving in high school they're like dude that's like horse tranquilizer there and what the fuck and if you when you give it to humans it makes you high that's so great But it's the same thing.

5:33Jason Stewart:This is horse shit too, but now we have heads of state doing ketamine therapy and shit. Things have changed. I think I've never taken ivermectin. I hope I never have to have that touch my lips. Well, I'm sure you can get some at Costco. Use your membership. I'm sure I can. I'm sure I can. I mean, I don't want to ever, but I don't think I would have a problem. I don't know what the downside is, right? I mean, I'm sure there's a downside besides being associated with bozos. I think there's probably some medical downside. Ask your doctor before you take ivermectin. Hantavirus is, I mean, yeah, whatever.

6:07I'm not paying attention to this. We will never lock down again, mark my words. But I see here in the responses to this tweet from Marjorie Taylor Greene, a true anon pod has commented, CBD also very effective at mitigating symptoms. So if there's something a little more palatable for you daily chiefers, maybe get some of that CBD, the non-alcoholic marijuana.

6:32Jason Stewart:Is there something that fucking the OG Kush can't do at this point? Definitely not, bro. No, OG Kush, that fixes it all. That will fix anything. It's a good segue into THC talk because I've been having some trouble sleeping, time zones and this and that and blah, blah, blah. And I realized last night when we were talking to David's show, I'm going through a tree talks, a good old-fashioned tree talks. i mean are you drinking enough i feel like when you're there you might not be drinking enough i might not be yeah you need to put down more i've been drinking a good amount sure sure well who's to say what's a good amount though you know what i mean you have a big tank it costs over a hundred to fill that thing up you know what i mean obviously i'm not drinking enough because i'm because of the night terrors that come uh every evening but i don't know it's like because when i when i got into paris and i linked up um like i said with friend of the show brodinski he handed me his you know little spliff passed me the passed me the the doja over and i was like oh thank god i get to enjoy some international kush but you know a french spliff compared to my cali kush bro that no bro that shit is a cigarette that's just a cigarette i got the same amount of head changes when carolyn gives me half a advil pm you know yeah that ain't gonna work i think i do shit no french people don't know how to smoke yeah unfortunately it wasn't loud enough yeah they don't know how to smoke weed they're good at djing and stuff but they don't know how to smoke weed but also but brodinski is so good at smoking like he's one of those like he he lived in atlanta for a good good amount of time like he knows what the pack is and i just feel bad that he's not able to access that it's possible that in his native land it's possible that he maybe doesn't want that after that experience though.

8:22You know what I mean? He could have he could have cushed too hard when he's in the lab with Ray Shrimm and it kind of caught up with him and now he's like

8:30Jason Stewart:He was in Kodak Black's Fort Lauderdale and cares to cares to return never again. You know, there's not a lot of things I'm scared of but smoking weed in a studio with Kodak Black is something I'm scared of. I don't know if that's going to end well for anybody. It's got anything but marijuana in that thing. Wait, Kodak's going Kodak got popped, right? Drug trafficking charges. Sniper again, Kodak. Because I got it by myself. Which I would like to believe that he just had enough on me, you know, intent to distribute because I don't think, I mean, he doesn't even know how to tie his own shoes, let alone run a trafficking ring.

9:07He ain't distributing. There's no way. No, that's definitely, that is definitely a trumped up charge.

9:12Jason Stewart:He's just like, no, I just do 700 pills a week. It's not, I'm not selling them. Bro, let him, man, let this man, like what, you know if somebody's just i don't know i just feel like cops obviously the stupidest people on earth willfully ignorant in this situation but having a zip and a couple and you know whatever 30 perks that's not district that's personal use we gotta we gotta be honest about what personal use means i agree and they i'm reading the article on tmz cops found a bag containing several items including a bottle of prescription cough syrup which had kodak's fingerprints on it so yeah Do you get drug trafficking for having a bottle of fucking act?

9:49Jason Stewart:Maybe now. I mean, maybe they're cracking down so hard on the act. Because, I mean, I told you I couldn't get it in LA. They had the signs up. Maybe it's so criminalized now that if you have a bottle. But look, a bottle of syrup. Look, would you break that down into little shot glasses and selling it? Yeah, that's what I was wondering. How are you packaging that? It's like a nutcracker uptown. You do your own packaging. Let me get a dime bag of Tussin. Yeah. Yeah, you get a dime bag and you got to mix it yourself with Sprite. Or maybe you could do a pre-mix. A little pre-mix might be nice, like a DJ, like cheating.

10:23You know what I mean?

10:24Jason Stewart:Yeah, well, it's the – With Tinashe DJs, it's the same shit. We need a pre-mix. Okay, it's not an Irish car bomb. It's a Lennox car bomb, we'll call it. Oh, let's go, baby. Oh, Jason, cook with that one. Lennox car bomb. Yeah, you buy a little 40 bag of lean. Dump that in the Sprite, tip it upside down. getting the Monte Carlo on 22s and you're going to Bankhead. Let's go. Everyone, get in. We gotta go to Benihana. I don't know about you guys. I'm super, I feel super hungry and bloated right now. If you guys want to go to Benihana, that'd be great. That'd be great for me. We were walking in Paris and we found like the most quaint little kind of street little center and they had like an old fountain in the middle with some ducks like living in the pond like it was the month little serene adorable french setting you know old people you know eating nuts and reading books and stuff like that and that was that's where they decided to put the benihana of paris it was it was really sticking out like a sorry well i mean when everywhere is so you know when everywhere is so quaint and beautiful and meant for women where are you gonna put where are you gonna put the benihana do you know what i mean if there's nowhere good you know unless you put it inside the airport i don't really know what the plan maybe that's I was going to think we need a way to save Benihana, but I think they're doing just fine despite being disgusting.

11:47Jason Stewart:Oh, definitely. I was thinking how cool would it be if Benihana was dudes only? I was going to ask, Paris, as I've said many times, is a city for women. What do you think is the city for men? London's got to be up there, but what do you think as a city? Sydney, what else feels man-coated? that's a glamorous still. Not Kansas City, you know what I mean? Not Rust Belt shit. I mean like an international glamorous city you want to go to, but it feels 70-30 men to women as far as who they're trying to attract. I'm going to go with Turkey. Oh, TJ, we're back with our big bros over at Quintz. I've actually been wearing my new Quintz cashmere v-neck in a camel color around the house, getting it, you know, just getting it warmed up.

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15:03Oh, Turkey for sure. But that's not, I mean, yeah, but they don't like women. You know what I mean? I'm just thinking of -

15:09Jason Stewart:I mean, it's tough because girls, they run the world, as Beyonce said. Don't ask. There's got to be - Yeah, don't ask homeboy about that. But like, you know, Turkey, that's where all the lads go to get their hair done. it seems like they're not into respecting women and their spaces over there it seems like that's true the fellas got a little istanbul on lockdown yeah somebody on the red carpet asked um paul anthony kelly from love story what his favorite beyonce song was and he said i don't have one i listen to metal and or i'm like i'm a metalhead oh yeah and i've never seen people react more stupidly to something calling him a racist for not liking beyond like first of all he was like he really might not know be like on the after doing a one hour of dumb dumb red carpet interviews at the met gala when you're used to being a hot e-com model in oregon with two kids and then you're running you're running to your seat and they ask you what your favorite beyonce song is and you're supposed to come up with some cute answer about single ladies or like how you're you know whatever i let this look bro that is not you we'd all don't have to i really like the song partition yeah i don't think we all need to like beyonce this stan shit is so crazy he's getting destroyed people coming for are people coming for him saying oh yeah it's crazy this man is a disgrace for not being able to name a favorite beyonce no no straight up racist like this is racist racist is racist coded how on earth she's the co-host of the night i'm like first of all you think this guy knows what day it is or who the co-host of the met is like you got that wrong This himbo is showing up to get a fucking, see how many Coronas he can take down before the fucking dessert course.

16:51It's not that serious.

16:53Jason Stewart:He's doing it the right way. He's saying that. He's probably not in the comments on Dumois name-checking himself. He's probably just like, yeah, I said a thing, and I will see you guys next week, and you guys can argue about it if you want. It's just a crazy. Put yourself in his shoes. If the reporter asks you that same question, you run into your seat at the Met Bala what are you saying? Are you going to name a Beyonce song or are you going to say something cool? I'm going to name a Beyonce song and keep it moving so I don't get crucified. Name the song. I'm asking you the question what are you saying exactly?

17:28Oh I don't know off the top of my head. I don't listen to Beyonce but there's one Beyonce song that's sampled Outkast I think that I really like. Do you remember this? I'm going to look it up because it is my favorite Beyonce song and it's I don't I'm not I mean obviously she's got hits but like maybe you're more of a Destiny's

17:45Jason Stewart:Child cat though right that's well that's the answer I would have chambered I would say I like my favorite Beyonce song is anything by Destiny's Child because Destiny's Child is way better than Beyonce I mean yeah that feels like where is it what's the best New Order song is Joy Division any Joy Division song you know the list goes on ones you know it's just they're both great they're both awesome but if you gotta pick one hold on hold on bro you're telling me that there's a song on lemonade called six inch featuring the weekend that's crazy work that's crazy bro not even talking about the converge vinyl or nothing nah that's crazy i don't know so i'm trying to look at i don't know what song i like by beyonce so what would you tell the reporter camera's rolling uh uh well i guess you would say i love beyonce i love all black women i just can't name one single song i guess i guess flawless remix featuring nikki minaj is going to be my my go-to probably if i had to if i had to i was on the spot you know the way you said the way you said your favorite beyonce song of all time listeners keen with a keen ear might be able to pick up that it almost sounded like you were reading it off your computer screen i was instead of just saying it from memory i was 100 reading it i don't know this shit i cannot find this song i like this sucks there really is a beyonce song i really like and i'm not seeing it anywhere well and you missed your seat and you missed the first who gonna break my soul i like that one too who gonna break my soul i like that one that's a little yeah i like that okay so you're more into more of her kind of diva house uh reworks then okay you know me i'm a diva house guy at the end of the day i mean how do you I mean, we're naming all these dumb songs and, you know, blah, blah, blah.

19:32Jason Stewart:Any fucking ladies leave their man at home. The club is full of ballers and their pockets full of gold. And now you fellas leave your girl with her friends. The sissy living 30 in the club is jumping in the truck. That's better than any Beyonce song. Come on, bro. Look, I agree. I'm not. Dude, I don't like any of this shit. It's crazy. She let James Blake feet. Man, what the helly? Bro. Oh, it's called. I think this is it. I think this is it. Hold on. Let me listen for one second. Yeah, yeah. all night oh yeah all night all night all night track 11 on the classic lemonade album you may remember the visual album jason i know you're a smoker yeah of course of course and that arrow there was a lot of like uh there's a lot of random random ladies who like work in hr and stuff who you know maybe they decided to wear a gold or a diamond tooth on their birthday that year because of that album yeah yeah yeah no lemonade was a moment in time i i i didn't realize six inch by the weekend was i just can't get over what do you think that's about bro i don't know subway i don't fucking know i maybe he likes he likes he can't take 12 he needs six when he gets the song is about it's about abel's eminent weight gain thanks to the subway no his his weight gain i shouldn't have franchised talk about perks his weight gain was not from subway his weight gain was no it's different a little from column a shouty a little from column yeah that's true What does the song Six Inch by Beyonce mean?

20:57Jason Stewart:It's an anthem of female empowerment, wealth, and independence celebrating hardworking women who grind to earn their success. The six inch is in reference to a heel. So, you know, not only do they have to do all this stuff that men do, they got to do it in heels and period. Well, Beyonce's doing fine. And I think that The Weeknd's doing fine. so everybody landed on their feet except for paul kelly um but you know he'll i think he'll be okay too he'll be just fine but when i was watching him say that i was like there's a strong chance that the metal that you are listening to is is maybe not going to be as awesome as we want it to be i'll hold out but he he looks i'm afraid that he's so pretty he's either like a gojira head like something real bad yeah or if he's just like i mainly just listen to like dungeon synth and like mortis and stuff like that.

21:49Jason Stewart:I'll be like, okay, flat. You're giving him way too much credit. I think metal to him means, metal to him means either deft tones, Metallica, or he could be Converge Mastodon. And I know those things sound really close to each other, but they're kind of far away. He's Mastodonian, Mastodonian, okay. And the type of guys that like that stuff. Okay, he's like early anal cunt. Yeah, yeah. I saw a guy wearing an Assoc shirt yesterday on the street. Okay. I was riding by. I was like, hell yeah, bro. And I think he thought I was making fun of him. And I didn't have time to turn around and tell him that was a genuine props.

22:24Like, this is cool to see.

22:25Jason Stewart:He's like, oh, no one's ever congratulated. I mean, to be fair, it did look like an aftermarket bootleg. It wasn't an original. He wasn't at Gainesville Fest 97 or whatever. He wasn't giving Train Hopper? He wasn't giving Train Hopper. He was giving good-looking guy with an ASIC shirt. But it was still good to see that in the wild of Soho, New York, 2026. I mean, worse things have come across my gaze than an Austin Butler-ass-sook fan. No, I agreed. Table for two, I'll take that. That's best case for everybody. That's best case for everybody, exactly. Yeah, we need to write the next great American novel, Hemingway-esque, but it'll be Austin Butler.

23:05Jason Stewart:He's a crusty train hopper making his way from Bend, Oregon, to Detroit or something like that, Dearborn, riding the rails. fucking his way through Idaho Austin Butler if there was a store in LA that sold Carhartts with a butt flap he might have a pair they'd trick him over at Golden Age put him in the Carhartts I'm going to go in this pond over here and probably skinny dip for a while if you want to watch what does crass mean? is that like a word? or is that just like the brand that's covering my butt? oh god speaking of butts I'm at this hotel in London called the Athos. It used to be a Nobu hotel, but now it's an Athos.

23:52Jason Stewart:It's nice. The one in Shoreditch? Yeah, Shoreditch. Ran into DJ MK. Mark Kinchin here, staying here. Don't mean to dox you, lad.

24:08Jason Stewart:But yeah, it's in a very, you know, I'm in the Dime Square of London, on basically but it used it used to be the nobu and they did a good job turning it over into a beautiful kind of modern warm wooded hotel but when i was in the locker down so the the gym is in the bottom like bottom floor basement i hit the gym hit the sauna had a steam room schvitz hit the cold shower and then i go back to my locker with all my stuff and i i typed in the wrong code and i i had to basically crack the the locker okay maybe like 30 times to finally get how i i typed it in the wrong way but it was one of like no one was in the gym there was not a single phone and if i left the locker room that i was in i wouldn't be able to let come back in because i didn't have the key card because my key card was in the locker so it was just it was just me and a towel oh he in a towel it was tj tj verse locker tj verse locker towel edition yeah so i couldn't go i couldn't leave that area which had no fun but basically i finally got it but then i i get dressed and i realized that i forgot to bring underwear so i had to free ball it and i hate to say it's been so long since i free balled i hate to say it i i kind of liked it what was the what was the story on the bottom?

25:34Jason Stewart:What was my trouser story? Yeah. My trouser tail was a pair of very soft khaki pants, vintage khaki pants. Well, you were wearing them just upstairs. You weren't like going out for the night. I was not going out for the night, no. But I did walk over to the coffee shop across the street and grab a little pick-me-up really quick. But I saw all that is to say, I had a stroll that was maybe like two minutes. Okay, nice. So you were testing it and you were like, you know what, maybe I can leave the skims at home. maybe yes maybe no i mean obviously i have no intention of of not wearing underwear the way you know you and i probably did when we were 19 i'm assuming yeah i would i would no did you ever have a free ball face no that was that was for guys that wore miss 60 jeans i wasn't doing my i'm a man you know it was a little more 18 v yeah that's a little more 18 vision that was a I didn't have a flat iron.

26:28I didn't have any girls clothes and I never wore makeup. I did a lot of shit that was stupid but those three I missed.

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26:34Jason Stewart:You did have a thick necklace made out of beads. Oh yeah I mean stacked from clave to chin. For sure. What was on your one king down stack?

26:47Jason Stewart:That's for Zach Bowman. My one king down stack. Yeah there's four people who get that joke and if we were on a Patreon, we would get 10 ,000 from each of them. My one king down stack was just beads, mostly wooden in nature. So it wasn't mixed media, nothing stainless steel? No, there was. No, no stainless steel. That was too hot topic. But you would mix in a black bead as well. And sometimes if a chick made you one, it might have a little color in it or whatever. You know what I mean? Put her stamp on it. All those little Taylor Swift bracelet culture, that's all from emo chicks. That all comes from preschool.

27:23Jason Stewart:preschool came from raver it came from ravers yeah yeah ravers started it straight edge people stole it well i mean when i when i was watching taylor swift talk to joe coscarelli and she was talking about how you know the genius lyrics of pete wentz and dashboard professional i was like i know where taylor got it from because taylor wasn't ever ever in the warehouse at 4 a.m peaking that's for sure no no no she was studying with her with with professor cabrera yeah yeah learning in your letters. Those are the great scriptures. Yeah, those are the great scriptures. Honestly, maybe a month ago, Carolyn was going through a big dashboard confessional phase, and I was like, wow, I really wish Chris was here so you guys could talk about this thing that you both like so much because I never really had a dashboard phase.

28:10Jason Stewart:I was too straight to listen to it. I'm going to say that it's actually aged better than most things, and I think that he's sort of a treasure because I think he's just got such a great attitude and he just keeps doing it and it keeps working. And I think every 10 years, new people discover it. It's kind of an enviable career in many ways. He's a Skrillex of emo. And nowadays in 2026, the lyric, your hair is everywhere. Oh. At the time, I was like, are you guys hearing this? This is what you guys are all in? Am I taking crazy pills? But compared to the lyricism of 2026, bro not counting the earl sweatshirts of the world of course like it's a it's a pretty clever little word your hair is everywhere the thing is he's talking about maybe he's talking about after he beat it up her hair was messed up or maybe he's talking about some classic like yo my chick found some some strands in the bed that weren't from her you know what i mean it could be it could mean a lot more sinister things than we're thinking you know what i mean it could be uh you know predicting male pattern baldness air you know big dash on top of it big dash was too early you know what i mean he's been saying shit he's that could be yeah that could be a line you know that could be from cameron it's so it's so articulate yeah it's so well well put your pubes are everywhere yeah i mean dashboard knows it's a marathon not a sprint he said i'm i'm still spending fucking 90s money he's still spending big face hundreds right now no no he's he's light work like where i think he's i think his i think he has a child that is in college which is fucking crazy it's fucking crazy like damn my kid and my girlfriend are both in college it's so crazy i also think he's just kidding i wish that was the case i think he's just like a guy i think it's just you know when musicians it's just like this is my job and i love it and there's they don't take advantage of any of the other stuff that comes with it besides the money they earn i think he's one of those one of those guys just like yeah i'm a welder i weld i go home to my family I don't know what you're talking about.

30:06I'm so bummed, bro. I have to miss.

30:07Jason Stewart:You're like, so you don't take any free head at all, okay? No, free head. No, free head. I have to, dude, I have to miss. There's a fucking new Brandon Flowers solo album. They're doing a playback tonight. Got the invite from the head of the label, and I can't make it, bro. I can't go listen to the new. I saw Ronnie. I had a meeting this morning with Anna from Huxley at the Crosby Hotel. I saw Ronnie from the band, from the Killers, with his family, and it took everything in my power not to approach and be like, what's up, guys? like let's get this going what is when the killer's coming on how long gone what what is it going to take bro i'll pay the bill security i'll buy your kids some fucking orange juice what can we do the overnight oats have been paid for let's get a date on the calendar now i just feel i just peeled off a 20 for a fucking boiled egg and you're not going to come on the podcast but the um so i do have to miss it but morby's playing a little a show at lucinda's in the east village which is like lucinda williams opened like a small bar so i'm gonna i am gonna be able to catch that so I'm excited about that.

31:04It's going to be a big night for me. I've gone out every night this week. I'm fucking, I'm seeing double. Same, girl. I know, but when I'm on the road, it feels normal. It is. I don't know, like I'm not going to sit in a hotel room on a Tuesday night, but I'm going to sit in my own house on a Tuesday night. Period. You know what I mean? Yeah, same. We went to Marcel last night. What is Marcel? It's a new restaurant that's at the Sotheby's in the Brewer building uptown, like across from Gagosi on 72nd, and it is fucking popping, banging, like a big expensive New York restaurant. It's the La Mercerie people, Roman and Williams.

31:39But I was very impressed, I have to say. It's a continental restaurant. I thought it was because I'd walked by a few times in the room because Flora Bar used to be there. So I know the room. I used to go there pretty often. I really liked Flora. And it was just a real, it felt like a real, it felt kind of like a less Republican grill. like it felt a little like everybody's rich it's really serious the service is really good the uniforms are cool there's an elizabeth payton in the bathroom lounge it's like it's just a but the food was banging i was i was a little worried it's gonna be too fussy for me but we were able to

32:14Jason Stewart:navigate i was i was very pleased i guess it has a little the grill meets the vodore in terms of food and vibes because it has those french classics uh you know a little au poivre and really good though but um i'm seeing they have uh they have a baba owl rum yes on the dessert menu did you get that one no we got the madelines which were they came with like a jam of some kind they were delicious and then we also got there's a dessert on the menu called the window i we didn't order it and it came to the town i was like i don't know what this is and it was so fucking good i had to ask the pastry chef like what is this because this shit is too cracking This is the best window I've ever eaten.

32:54Literally. Yeah, I've eaten a lot of windows, and this is by far the best window.

32:58Jason Stewart:What the frick did you put in this window? Okay, it looks good. It looks good. I was admiring the baba au rum, which is like a dessert that it's kind of like a cake that has rum kind of poured. It's rum soaked into a little whipped cream on top. I saw a guy next to us was eating that. It did look delicious, but I did avoid it because of the rum contents. Yeah, that's not edge. But when I was in France at Chez Daniel, I believe, they have a drink policy that I really would like to see more of. With alcohol, they leave the bottle and then you pay what you drank. An honor bar situation, but they have eyes on you.

33:41Jason Stewart:It's an honor bar situation, but when you order the Baba au Rum, they just bring a bottle of rum with a little pour spout on it and just set it on the table and walk away. and it's up to you how much rum you want to put on there and they don't they don't charge you extra if you pour extra shots on there yeah yeah it's a it's just like a fun thing i think that we need to have more honor bar like baller activities like you're out of your you're out of you're out of your fucking mind we can't be trusted in this country are you crazy well that's somebody put that bottle in their purse we police ourselves that's the beauty of i mean obviously we're not going to do this at b dub dubs or hooters or whatever but you know let's say our you know friend of the show al wilmont his restaurant in la bar de bello it's a small room everyone's drinking they have the the big negroni in the chalice you ring a little bell it's you know it creates a fun environment and it's also it could be a spendy baller kind of move like let me get the baba rum it costs a hundred dollars yeah you're like oh why does that why does that costs a hundred dollars and like you'll see no that's true they just bring a nice bottle of rum and then it's up to you to pour how much you want on there yeah it was that does the whole room is looking at you yeah it's like a yeah sure we start chanting and stuff when you fuck it up so if you only do one glug pussy yeah eight glugs you're like that's too much you're getting greedy that's too much dude you're gonna get drunk yeah that's yeah that work that sounds super fun that'll really bring up the ambiance in any room look in any room we need these restaurants need to encourage more fun drinking because alcohol sales are in the tank our food sales are being decimated by our retatru tides there was a um we gotta get going there was a yeah the girls next to us ordered martinis and they came in these really beautiful glasses and it was like a different look it was like a different look than i'd seen ever before for a martini glass it's a different look i just was sort of like oh those are cool looking and they feel extra cold you know something about it was screaming cold even though there wasn't a stem to hold on to in the same way that you well i think a thicker glass i see um can hold more of that chill okay you know like a like a big heavy beer stein versus that petite kind of window pain thin i want to you i want you to get i want you to get to the point where you have in the man cave you got the the pint glasses the steins in the fridge in the freezer.

36:06Jason Stewart:I wouldn't mind getting to that point as well. You know what? For your 50th, I'm going to buy you an acai on tap for the kitchen. I think that'd be a nice gift for you. I was going to say, it has to be the Sapporo Ninja Sword draft full. Carolyn will maybe love it, maybe not. We'll see. Might have to do a little cozy to go over it. Yeah. yeah but there was a there was a did your mom ever have a cozy to put over kitchen appliances like a little something to cover the kitchenite or the blender or something bro she during i would say from the time i was 13 to 19 she wanted to put a cozy over me in the house so she'd have to look at my fucking ass with a fucking labre piercing and necklaces on but no i don't think no we had luckily in our kitchen and conures there was set there was a lot of storage in that kitchen so that most things were able to be tucked in a drawer or a cabinet of some sort no necessito cosito got it no but i think getting you one of those like a i like my version would be the the the chameleon cold brew no the suntory sparkling water machine they have it uh that's superiority burger that's superiority burger that spits out the good shit you thought you knew about bubbles no yeah well we're like on hacks in her in her kitchen gene smart's kitchen on hack she's got the fucking the full soda lineup she got the diet coke that got the different static flavor yeah but the famous i mean most famously there's the tommy lee with the starbucks in his basement we never how could we forget that from him to his cribs sure and those people are still down there living off of expired cinnamon cinnamon rolls actually we went to the starbucks today i just went in and grabbed a bottle of water to put some of my magna in and uh their their offerings are really shitting on american starbucks like all when you see the little display window of like the little snacks and things you can get and they're just like plastic pictures of food with like dust and flies on them you know yeah let me get that uh let me get that danish that looks delicious let me get that hand danish was hand painted in 2007 um no but the one just like a random shitty one next to the train station not like a starbucks reserve you know and the wharf or anything like that it was it was all business location full full tins of freshly made cinnamon rolls that are being like cut out with a spatula and put on a plate to order like we're at the the corner bistro or something yeah yeah bro but did you taste one though of course not that's the thing because i'm like i'm like i'm sure that's a nice presentation yeah but i don't i if it don't taste it's still gonna taste like starbucks food it's still gonna taste like cisco you're right or whatever the whatever the the local cisco is yeah i mean not that not the local cisco it's the cisco local like the sainsbury local yeah yeah local got a local um well so you've been putting down the pints but you went to this i saw that you guys went to that italian restaurant and well what did you think um yeah that restaurant was called uh hold on let me look it up jago gave you the idea correct yeah tiela trattoria um it's a little new newish italian spot trattoria and great little neighborhood vibe we had a really good meal quite good the um little little kind of chicken broth with some small uh small like little sourdough croutons that kind of soak up the broth little a little parm on top we got sat at like the the cute um date night table it's basically like a two top in its own little nook nook and corner with like a rounded table and it has a big window overlooking the the kind of town square it's definitely like it's definitely like the best seat in the house date night kind of thing and we got sat there they're they're nice enough to hook it up thanks to Yago but there were people sitting right behind us and one of the one of the two diners was speaking at a volume that was like we we were like laughing about how loud it was and and she was just saying worse than worse than talking to me it was worse than talking to you but because your your voice is very loud but it's more of a lower range frequency so it's a little more you know smooth on the ears versus this higher pitched frequency yeah that can be a little grading you know what i mean so you know you're you're you're giving boards of canada and she was giving you know death grips or something like that thank you for putting it square pusher thank you for putting it in terms that i sort of understand the voice is also she's she her voice is pointed at us which is then kind of bouncing off the little corner of the room that we're in and like we could not hear anything except her stories of like what happened at work today you know like the most inane boring convo so the the server came over and we we asked like hey you know bro no oh okay i thought you were gonna say qteller shut up i was like damn you're bold you're bold over there no we i i shot her like the the girl like three looks who was talking and she lowered the volume of her voice for like three seconds and then it went straight back up to like can i ask you a question i don't want to i don't want to do this i really don't um and it's the wrong thing to do but can i ask about her looks she wasn't the most 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44:05Okay, all right. Because I feel like maybe if she was a baddie, you would have found it in your heart to kind of power through if the view was good is all I'm trying to say. All I'm trying to say.

44:19Jason Stewart:Interesting. Yes, yes, yes. If she was a more fit bird, would we allow? I mean, Carolyn and I would both allow it since we love beauty. But the server came over and we moved. And it ended up being better. We moved to the bar and we sat there as a little more of in the center of the restaurant. And we can chat with the bartender. And it was really funny. We were talking and they were just like, and here's the menu. And you have this wine and this and this. and it's casual and chill, but it still is like a very traditional trattoria. So like, you know, you do this and then this comes and the Segundi and the Primi and the have wine here and have Amaro here.

45:00Jason Stewart:You know, there's a structure to it. He referenced something about like, oh yeah, it's a little different than how things are in America. And I was like, how'd you know we were from America? Oh, here we go. And I said it, I was like, how'd you know we were from America? Just kidding, just kidding. Like, obviously you can tell we're from America. up he doesn't laugh he doesn't say anything just a straight face and he goes your shirt what was your shirt it was a it was a polo shirt like a regular around polo button-up shirt it wasn't terrible i mean he was joking he was he was it was he was being sarcastic like he was just like fucking with me but that kind of dry british delivery and it cuts in a way i mean it's funny Very few Americans can pull off.

45:44Jason Stewart:So kudos to you. Unless you were being completely serious, then fuck you. But he was a great guy. Had a great meal with him. It was quite wonderful. A little pasta fagioli. Love that. I love that. Delicious bread, a nice clam and tomato and garbanzo dish. The olive oil was flowing. A lot of clams, a lot of olive oil, a lot of tomatoes going in my body since I've been in London. And I'm not fucking complaining, mate. I'm not fucking complaining then. When we were in Paris, we went to the Charvet store. Yeah. And it got me thinking on a menswear tip. Carolyn got some of the little leather slippies.

46:23Jason Stewart:I got a couple little silk handkerchiefs for the pocket square. What are you going to do? Wow. You'll be seeing those in New York. Wow. Okay, bro. Go off. Are you being sarcastic or no? Well, I'll have to see it first and then I'll let you know if I'm sarcastic or not. You're going to like my pocket. Do you have any pocket squares? or kerchiefs oh no i hate those i mean i wear like with tom brown you have to wear one like that's the only time i've ever worn a pocket square really does he hit you if you don't um he wouldn't but some would be sent to kind of course correct your behavior you'll be reprimanded you'll be reprimanded somehow yeah but no i just i always found pocket squares they look cool on some people i just don't think i i don't like the flair of it i would say yeah i feel like um since I don't really I love wearing a suit I don't always love wearing a tie and I think it kind of helps dress up a tie-less suit look with a splash of contrast in color that no I agree I agree pause I agree with that I mean the problem is I go back and forth where if I'm wearing a suit or a jacket I'm wearing a t-shirt or a tie and there's no in between really like unless I'm wearing a denim shirt then I'll wear it with no tie and no so you won't wear like an Oxford shirt unbuttoned no not you i mean i've done it before i don't love it i love a denim shirt unbuttoned or i love an oxford shirt or a poplin shirt with a tie oof what if you had a denim pocket square denim kerchief imagine oh i didn't that'd really fit in there nice i'm sure it'd be super comfortable a little too mel of finland for me mel of finland exactly that's okay so you got some that's nice you got some pocket squares though that's the most affordable thing there so glad you're able to find something that wasn't custom hey i bought two of them though i bought two of them what's that hitting for big bro they're like 125 each i think yeah that's not crazy but when i was there those uh i we we got to go visit the the room upstairs where they have all the fabrics yeah yeah and you can get the the made-to-measure suits and pick out the collars and the cuffs and the all that and it was really cool but they had the uh the suspender room where it was just you know a hundred different pairs of suspenders different colors and clasps and types and buttons and this and i i really kind of want to try suspender life have you ever done that before no i'm never going to do that i hate that shit i mean i i think it serves a purpose but what if no one can see i i don't want to walk around like a 1940s boxer i could i could spiritually tell that you're i could tell i could feel it on you particularly because i know you not everyone sure but the the the woman that was guiding us where i was asking her about the suspenders and blah blah blah and she was saying like you know this one's more chic than this one and blah blah blah but she was saying like also it is it is healthier and better for the human body it's it's less constricting on the gut and it's just like and i feel like because i'm like such a a tall lanky lad with not much of a bbl you know i really that belt's kind of doing a lot like if i'm not wearing a belt most of my pants it's not like they're gonna wiggle their way down throughout the night it's like it's a free fall it looks like the twin like my pants just yeah not much is keeping them up so so i'm always belted i like the way belts look though that's the thing i like the way a belt looks that's part of the reason that i like belts maybe we can get like a clip-on belt that's just for show yeah that's what i think about yeah what if the belt just kind of sat there it just balanced kind of on my way but if it seems so nice to sit to set your pants exactly where you want them to be and then they are only being supported by gravity hanging freely off of your strong shoulders not cinching your gut microbiome and intestine oh yeah yeah yeah on no on a practical level it makes sense it's just dorky if you're not i would say 60 plus that's the thing it feels like an age gate okay well i'm close yeah you're you're not that far but also what if you what if you're like a badass non-racist parentheses skinhead you got the fucking you got the 501s the suspenders you got a little vintage t underneath that's different that's different and also obviously i cannot pull that off but i'm saying that's one of the most advanced moves that is ever t-shirt with suspenders are you saying a rude boy i am not i mean i look i would love to see you in the doc martin 12i with the white laces and a fucking you know a screwdriver t paper thin tucked into the 501s i'm giving a little more rancid than screwdriver is the issue here i don't know yeah i mean i love dude i was listening to rancid ruby soho smash put that shit on the end of the episode bro ruby soho what a great song you got it because last night no doubt first show at the sphere yeah i saw those janky ass visuals it was depressing watching that it made me feel like i was watching something at like a disney adults activity and not like well that's i mean the sphere this the sphere is a disney adults activity that's kind of it is but when you add the note out to it it maybe because i'm so close to it because i am like the target age range of a lot of those people like it's a bunch of people who are like in their you know millennial folks who have a little disposable income and they are gonna go and they're gonna buy the merch and get a babysitter and we're gonna enjoy the music of no doubt and we don't even have to stand up we can just sit the whole time and watch it on a giant tv screen that is the whole thing about the sphere it just feels as much as i want to go i don't know because anybody who's going to do sick visuals i'm not going to like the music you know what i mean that's the reality of it because i'm not as i'm not i'm not into sick visuals like i don't care um but i that's the whole promise of the experience so i feel like i would have to embrace the sick visuals yeah but that's why no doubt felt like a salve a nice in between but it did look a little depressing yeah and also because of her her maga leanings you know i feel like that's going to greatly alter the crowd type as well i like the i don't think the type of people that would go or maybe not i disagree actually i think i think that i think the people that love no doubt either are republicans now or don't care about that at all yeah most no doubt fans are like oh finally she's public with the stuff now i don't i really i kind of feel like it's like dude whatever this shit got me through my 20s like i don't give a fuck that she's married to blake shelton and looks like a robot like i don't give a fuck like how i feel about the music of r kelly got me through my 20s exactly exactly taught you a lot uh i think that she you know i think also the body look she can still wear the little tank top she can still still wear the wife little crop wife beater i would say most you know 50s pop stars cannot do that 50s yeah she finally turned from a 50s style pinup girl to a 50 year old pinup girl did you see okay so there's some stuff going on um with women oh um just a few so you know billy eilish oh billy eilish premiered something last night she was on the carpet with our boy nate and uh yeah who wolf who did the pod yeah yeah that people are like what what happened to her gay shit what the fuck she lied i'm like of course she lied and then hayden pantier who you i'm sure you remember from heroes classic program with with uh my boy milo known milo vintamila the guy the hot guy who's known for being a real denim enthusiast she i never watched heroes but i think i was me neither familiar with some of her earlier work like uh bring it on of course etc she's she's written a memoir come out as bisexual and that is she's feeling very I'm very proud of her for being able to speak her truth and I just wonder I wonder if this is going to move the needle for her if she's going to get a whole new audience because of her sexual liberation She bi They say with chicks what I heard you got to pick one bipolar or bisexual that's what I heard that's what I heard and I'm not saying that I'm not saying that I'm saying people are saying that I feel like I know a couple who are both You can't.

54:42That's the thing. I was going to say. That's the thing. You can't. It ain't binary. You can be both. You can be both.

54:48Jason Stewart:So you're saying there's nothing binary about being bi? Nah, bro. Let's not try to. We can't box these women in. Let them be both. All the bi's. Look, we are not going to box you ladies in. We're giving you two choices. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. You got two choices. Which are you, polar or sexual? Pick one. You're either scissoring or psycho. What's it going to be? scissoring but psycho that's a good that could be the song don't make me change it from rancid now chris oh yeah shit my bad my bad i won't do that yeah so yeah so billy people want her to be a lesbian or people or just want her to pick one thing i think people want i think that i think that nowadays it's basically like there was a period where every you know pop star woman had to at least you know maybe not say straight up i'm bi or i'm gay or whatever but there was a little bit of a you know oh maybe i'm just down for whatever you know and now i think people are a little bit bit like i think you guys lied to us because of the moment we were in and that was more that would bode well for you in the public sphere uh but i think now maybe we've moved past that it's you're getting greedy exactly saying like uh you know i want to appeal to everyone and they say no no i think fashion has a lot to do with it whereas just like if if the if the the the paint job don't match what you got under the hood then then people get annoyed and confused because people attach so much of their own personal identity yeah for sure you know of of a musicians to you know if if i really love pink and i'm obsessed with pink i'm probably gonna be dressed like pink you know what i mean i'm probably not going to be wearing whatever the opposite of of lesbian co-worker music i love clothing i love i love pink man pink it's like you look at her you look at her on stage like all right i get it she could also be a fucking you know regional manager at bucky's and there's no it's like it could go either way i don't want sexy red wearing like a tasteful cuckoo intimate set no while she's up there saying fuck your daddy or whatever it is you know so it's confusing so all the cuckoo intimate people are like who are all these sexy reds all the sexy red people are saying i don't know if i want to shop at brandy melville i want to shop it's so confusing at body it's a body by body body melville that's their new they have body melville that's my body melville it's just all the same clothes but in different color camo that's when chicks really yes when you know she oh no she's a body melville if you know what i'm saying no body melville it could be on to something and i would like to explore this subject more if we weren't two straight men in their 40s body no but no body melville is their answer to gaps Athleta or Tallululemon.

57:28Body Melville is skims for the Urban Outfitters set.

57:32Jason Stewart:Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're coming for Aloe check. Bro, I saw A$AP Rocky is wearing... That's not a bad idea. A$AP Rocky is also wearing an Aloe hoodie this week. What is... How did Aloe... Who brought Aloe to the hood? Because the Joe Budden guys wear it. Who is responsible for tricking black men into thinking Aloe is cool? It's a shock... I think it's less of a trick and more of a wire transfer i know it's definitely not that it's definitely i mean jimmy butler's the one getting paid but i don't know if i really think that like there's some it's sort of expensive and i guess maybe your chick wears it and she puts you on is is maybe what it is i don't i don't think it's actually i unfortunately don't think it's more sinister or calculated than that which you know kills me yeah but i mean i it's tough because there can be people out there who were so awesome and so great and we love them and then when you see them wearing aloe not for a check or even for a check it makes you look at them a little differently it's like kind of like oh maybe you aren't it just ain't for men i thought your line was further it just ain't for like you see a guy i mean guys are pulling up in the aloe shoes i mean there's no there's no end in sight there's no line in sight those are people who are like i need i never need to see a pussy again in my life i mean the problem the problem is i think i have sports but they can't even do yoga have you seen you've been in europe you've been you maybe haven't been paying attention but our friends over at the substack corporation have launched a video podcast oh do they have a unique subject style or they or is it a new style of uh it doesn't look like i'm watching i got an email just now it's called open tab and uh the first one is with with emily of course the the goat of substack and it looks to be like her, they're at like a bar which I'm into, the setting is more sort of like CBS Sunday morning, you know what I mean?

59:20Than it is like Theo Vaughn which I prefer

59:23Jason Stewart:I guess Seth Meyers, he has that segment where they go get drunk in a bar but I think they actually I would rather see this style though than another like bad studio this is much preferred to me but are they actually drinking or are they just having there's two in in the clip i'm seeing in the header emily and the her and the host both have empty pints in front of them okay and i'm gonna assume knowing emily emily will drain a pint she ain't scared she definitely she definitely she definitely had a pint one pint one pint doesn't really yeah but i assume but i still feel like it's a better i just think if we're gonna if everybody's got to do video podcasts i'm happy for you to break out of the fucking you would think that so many people would be a little afraid to do that but i guess it's i'm sure that they have these ground rules and maybe they'll water the drinks down and limit them to a few no i think i was looking at it i don't know i mean i haven't checked it out but um i don't really have any interest you know shout out to sub stack you guys rock but i don't have interest in like you're tell me your founder story there's too many founder stories not for me no i we the The world does not need any more founder stories because it's also, it's not a conversation.

1:00:38Jason Stewart:It's somebody who's not a professional storyteller telling a story drunk on a podcast. I don't think anybody, well, I just think this makes sense for Substack because that's who their audience is. Yeah. I don't want to, I'm not, I don't want to hear it either, but I think that if they're going to do this, this makes sense. And Substack, just like everyone else, you know, whether you like it or not, we do have to pivot to short form video clips. No, totally. I think it actually is smart and makes sense and is like the sort of, I don't, I don't, I mean, if video is the thing and you've already got the subscribers, like why not give it to them and see what happens?

1:01:11It's no, it's not, you know what I mean? It's not, there's not really a high risk involved, I guess.

1:01:15Jason Stewart:No, no, no. And they got, you gotta, you gotta get in. You gotta start playing the game. You gotta start playing the game. You gotta start playing the game. Yeah. We have to start playing the game. So we're going to film a new How Long Gone today. I think the next time you're in LA, which is not too far from now. no, I'm getting my video editing skills are improving. My Premiere Pro skills are improving. I might be hitting up one or two of you bros for some green screen tips. This is interesting, actually. It's not that hard. I've opened this fully, and it's a little bit of a combo of sort of like a CBS Sunday Morning or Seth Meyers thing.

1:01:49And also, it says what the tab is, like the way the lunch with the Financial Times in the Sunday says. The last one I saw, I sent it to Ed Cummins because it was killing me. a guy took him to McDonald's, which I thought was so sick because I've never seen that before and I've been reading that column forever. And I'm sure somebody's done it before, but I was like, this is a real flex to take the reporter from the FT to McDonald's for your talk.

1:02:13Jason Stewart:Yeah, suck it, FT. Just kidding, you guys are awesome. Suck it, FT. And congrats to Shane Smith from Vice launching his new social media outlet and podcast where he's going to report about the news but not like how your dad watches it. It's unbelievable. But I like that tweet because it said he wants the new Vice News platform to be a brand partnership vehicle. I mean, look, the thing is, I appreciate it. I just got a kick out of that. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. But I also admire the honesty of like, oh, I'm doing this to make money the same way all you guys are doing this to make money.

1:02:53Jason Stewart:He needs a lot of money. He doesn't have any money. But somebody who needs money is also going to say something like, hey, I really need money. And you guys know it. Versus like, oh, I just really love doing a video where we copy this other video. What if we lay down on the therapist chair and I interview you and there's a puppy there and we can do something with our hands? I like puppy. Puppy cute. All right. How long gone? Thank you for listening, Jason. Enjoy your time in London. then I know you're seeing a friend of the show, Shad. I'm about to go hit Shad and Ben, good old Chef Ben who was on the pod not too long ago.

1:03:33Oh, the goat. Shout out to Ben.

1:03:35Jason Stewart:Shout out Ben and Shad. We're going to go grab a little pregame meal and then off to the O2 to see Taemin Pala with special guest Dua Lipa. Are they coming to – is Shad coming to the show too? Yes. Yeah, nice. Shad will go to any show. I like that. The thing about Shah that's so intoxicating is that he can party and he'll go to anything and he's always got a good attitude. It's infectious. Like I can't. He has a real thirst for music and culture and hopefully that never leaves his innocent little body. That's the thing. Because we used to have that too and it's gone. Yeah, long, long gone. We got new Charlie at midnight.

1:04:14Guitars are back. Fingers are crossed.

1:04:17Jason Stewart:Rock on. Rock on then. I can't wait to see how rock. Hey, I don't listen to Charlie. you i only listen to rock music that's i mean that's all about to change because you can have both now just rock and roll thank you for listening uh jason have fun and uh i will uh talk to you later

From the publisher

One-on-one pod today: Chris is home in New York, and Jason is in London. We chat about a lunch at The River Café, TJ’s treetox, developing a new drink called the “Lennox Carbomb,” TFW you’re a metalhead and they wanna know what Beyoncé song is your fave, TJ going freeball for a bit, self-serve alcohol in Paris, a loud eater at a lovely London trattoria, Charvet suspenders, Billie Eilish flip-flopping, bisexual Hayden Panettiere, the fashion identities we attach ourselves to, and Substack entering the podcast space to explore unique founder journeys.

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