953. - Shaad D’Souza

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0:48How long gone? Chris Black coming to you from a shockingly rainy London. I'm here at the Londoner with my esteemed co-host, Dim Jeans, a.k.a. Jason Stewart. He's wearing his shorts today. Hello, hello. We had a big night out last night at a restaurant that I can't remember the name. What was the restaurant called? One Dog Down? No, no, no. One Dog Alley Street? No. The last word is road. The first word is one. One. It was great. I really liked it. In Shoreditch, unfortunately. So that was unfortunate. Just keep talking about it. But we made some new friends, old friends. It was a great, you know, Jason drank too much.

1:26You guys can really drink over here, man. I'll tell you what. Jason was in his bag. He was in it, man. I saw you this morning at the gym. One club road. One club road. It was delicious. Great restaurant. Great restaurant. And I was happy to go to Shortage. I haven't been there in, I don't know, five plus years on purpose. Hasn't changed a bit, huh? Nope. Still depressing. Still full of young people. Okay, you can talk now, bitch. Okay. Hey, what's up? Shad's here. by the shot is in the the rare and direct live from the hotel room with a guest one of the few to ever do this taking up chalita's sloppy seconds this is my understanding wouldn't be the first time just kidding could be sloppy fourths actually yeah yeah sloppy fourths no no none of us are skinny enough for her so that's not gonna work so true so true i didn't mean it like that i mean other podcast guests that may have fallen through and i meant i was taking her sloppy We love to have a recurring character on how long gone.

2:23You're one of those characters. Especially a journalist because you already came with topics like your Subway takes notes app folder. Do you want me to just list them and we can just decide what we want to go through? No. No, I don't want you to do that. It's funny. Well, how many of them are there total? There's six and four of them are really good. Okay, Sean, also I want to be clear. We're going to do four and I'll tell you when we're going to do four. Jason and I look our normal selves. Sha does seem to put on a look for this event. This is how I dress normally. I wish it wasn't true. This is how I dress normally.

2:56I know, but this is how he looks going to Best Buy. It is well if we had one of those here. What are your jeans? These jeans have embroideries of butterflies on them? Yep. They are from the Our Legacy men's collection. They look cool. Obviously, we couldn't pull them off, but. He said our legacy for our listeners at home. Our legacy. Look, we have an international audience, and you said it in a very niche kind of way. Yeah, yeah. No, I know. They don't even have our legacy in Australia. Just kidding. Yeah, right. Australia is our legacy of the country. Yeah, except the stuff that gets sent over there is the much more conservative stuff.

3:32And is this our legacy men's or women's? This is men's. Do they do anything in the rear? Is it cut a little differently in the ass? Those do look good. They fit you nicely. They look good. Even though you're limping, I was able to... Your gait is distracting, but the jeans look good. I do have what we might call club foot. He has a club foot, bro. I have club foot, which is what I'm calling my tendinitis that I got from the club on the weekend. He said he was at the club and went up and down the stairs too many times, and it gave him tendinitis. Bro, how long were you at the club? Like six hours.

4:03Tendinitis is like from years of weightlifting or playing tennis. I've been to that club like ten times. It was the final night of Lost. Are you guys familiar with Lost? Lost the TV show, classic. Yeah, they got Lost. Stuck on the island. Lost the club. in London lost the club in a former cinema I've heard of it I've heard of it heavy heavy room um Charlie and George was there Olivia Rodrigo was there oh wearing a little stripy Agnes B style long sleeve for friendship as opposed to what sex Agnes B sweater what a timeless look yeah um no we only we talked briefly we talked briefly um Harrison doing a full techno set yeah miss me with that love you bro but i don't need to see all that shit chalita and jasmine that chalita screaming on the phone to someone trying to get her in um outside it was it was amazing it's just classic london night and then i ended up with a with a club injury so that's why you know this is funny you bring this up because dj them jeans famously i broke i broke my ankle he had a club injury that kept him off off the court for six weeks full leg cast really three months i know a girl in melbourne who had a baby and didn't cancel any of her bookings and she was djing sitting in a chair for for a few i think that's i think we're not far off from dj sitting in chairs that feels like a recession it's already heaven i mean yeah if you can't take maternity leave from your careers arising dj i think she just wanted to don't bring up women's rights that's not what we talk about this podcast keep that shit to yourself bro god i forgot hate him hate him so you know we love them but we just want the rights to be kept in check of course the voting stuff has gone a little too far rights are great okay so your your knee is it have you seen a specialist you're too young to be having problems not my knee it's my foot so we're walk me through the pain yeah yeah briefly we're gonna diagnose it's on the top of my foot top i think it's it's not plantar fasciitis it's the top of your foot which which manolos were you wearing that night i think it's from i think it's from a pair of shoes that i was that i'd worn out for the first name it name it name them our legacy they were our legacy sneakers well first of all our legacy is not a place we're going for sneakers that's your first thing unfortunately it is though are they square toe sneakers no they're they're like they're like a of a hiking style but they're made all of leather so they're very heavy okay he said never worn these before gonna do six hours at the club up and down stairs all night let's wear these shoes well you were how you wanted to get your little look off but i mean the thing is there's no phones allowed in the club anyway the look was about really i saw a lot of pictures from that night i know i know well i have a trick i have a trick to get my phone we'll get to that um but uh it was more just i the look was for an earlier event and then we went straight to the club okay so you didn't you so you're like a working woman in new york you keep your hokas in your purse and you change out of the manolas but You forgot that.

6:56Nobody said this dress was easy. Except I don't know. I don't have any comfortable. These are my most comfortable shoes. They don't really go with this outfit. What are those? The Arcteryx Krag. Yeah, yeah. They're slip-on. They're cool. Yeah, I like them. They're kind of because I wanted like a Dansko clog. Those are secretly uncomfortable. Krag feels like a British slug for a vagina. I've heard that they're good, but this is kind of like the better, the easier to get version of a Dansko clog. Dansko clogs are amazing if you're standing, if you're trying to walk. I had a pair probably 8 years ago like the Japanese grandma with the wooden blocky flip that's what it is basically I love the way these look I think they're so cool as soon as I started walking down them I felt like I was on Sex and the City trying to shake my fang down Avenue A that's kind of what you are doing right trying to shake your fang down Avenue A always but I was just blown away by how I was like oh I know why chefs wear these because they're just standing Well, so I, in Melbourne, like all the kind of like hot, cool girls who like want comfortable blocky shoes have them.

7:57I didn't realize they made them in men's sizes till I saw Jake only wears dance goes. Yeah. Well, and Uggs. Oh yeah, and Uggs. But Uggs is for home. Although he has worn Uggs on stage. He also doesn't move a lot. He's like a line cook as far as his movement goes. You can get one for home and one for, you know, away. It's nice to have an Ugg. They look great. They really do look great. They really do look cool, but I just can't. I think you would be in pain. as long as your dance go is not white i think it it's kind of okay once once a man is wearing a white dance go it gets very difficult the black dance go has like a gravitas to it yeah it's cool and they're also they're not cheap the leather no they are cheap no they're not like 200 bucks oh sweetie that's expensive for you shod it's an orthopedic claw he's on a writer's budget But when you incorporate them into the rest of what you own, right?

8:48That's expensive if you're buying them for the purpose that you're buying them for. I'm looking at the market as a whole, Sean. I'm not looking at your little twisted closet that you probably need to slow down on if you really want to get into it. I do need to slow down. And Liam has told me... He's always had a passion for this stuff. Liam has told me if you get more shoes, you have to get rid of some other shoes. Welcome to my life. Yeah. Same thing. One in, one out. The Palace 95s. Yeah, but do you institute that rule for yourself or is somebody else telling you one in, one out? Someone else in my life is telling me one in, one out.

9:16Jason, it's Jason telling you one in, one out. There's right now when I get home, there's six pairs of shoes probably at our front door in the box unworn. Then I'm like, I need these, but she's like, you don't need these. Well, that's not my problem. I don't have room in my tiny little hovel for boxes of shoes. But one in, one out is a good policy. I'm not saying that this is outside his apartment. No, no, no. It's in the entryway. It's a common New York thing where you keep - Yeah, I've seen videos. I've seen your how to spend it apartment tour. Yeah, my shoes weren't featured. No, nothing was featured.

9:48There's nothing in the video. Exactly. Your house looked very warm on that episode. Warm like temperature-wise or warm living-wise? Not temperature. Sure. I mean, maybe a little bit. I don't know why people are so - It's a pretty normal apartment. Did you see Natasha Stagg through shade at Residence of Chibeca in the recent Eccles newsletter no but i what is that's a lot going on but i'm happy to i'm happy to hear that chybeca is catching on well she was like resonance of this one tower which i know you live in yeah trying to make chybeca happen well that's what she said so maybe natasha is in on the joke because you have to know we're joking but natasha's thing and i love her i think she's amazing but her thing is that she is somehow allowed to critique every single everything that happens in new york even though she's clearly part of some of those things you know what i'm saying well i think it's best coming from people that's part of those things so true so nothing about us without us yeah i mean that's what we do too like i'm not gonna i'm not talking about nascar i don't know shit about it i'm only talking about cool guys and the dare playing techno because that's what i understand do you know what i mean do you understand exactly no i don't but i understand why i don't need it yeah i understand enough to be like i'm good it's not the hardest music to get your head wrapped around yeah it's the hardest very it's the hardest music to enjoy if you have a brain but otherwise i think it's no ambient jazz you know sure tough because i know you're listening to a lot of ambient jazz i would choose almost anything over techno actually like it to actually do t-shirt vibes what about like in a club in a club i understand that that's the setting for it i'm not what about like um you'd listen to edm over you'd listen over techno um well i guess let me ask you guys edm greater than symbol let me ask two experts since i have you but there's so many different flavors of both techno and EDM.

11:37So I don't think we could just do a general blanket. Am I correct? Hundreds of micro-genre. I'm talking micro-genre. I'm not talking about this cookie-cutter bullshit. This ain't your nan's fucking techno, man. Yeah, I'm saying that. So true. You know Fred again? Didn't think so. I know there's different varietals. I'm just not super well-versed in the varietals. Yeah, but yeah. I don't know. Is there seasonal techno? Like is there summer, kind of summer weight? techno i would argue there is that's what i thought summer weight techno i think there's like daytime yeah sure day party technos easier to make micro genres in techno now because of ai you can just take a the you know a taylor swift song and put it over a techno beat and you have a summary techno song you know i meant more but inherently it's a little love story remix that he plays at every show who plays it fortet what does he play a remix of love story I hate that It's for his daughter I don't give a fuck I hate it too I hate when people Like my daughter So if you're an adult Fortet dragged to the Recycling bin Delete it Can't do it fam I bet Fortet low key Got some cash though And she's coming after it I mean he plays huge Huge shows He makes a tidy sum of money But I think he lives Pretty chill Once Fredigan Once Fredigan made him famous I bet it's really Changed his life Well I In my mind The Fredigan stuff happened Look I don't want to Speculate on this You know if I was Fortet And I needed a bunch of money Because my wife took half I would be like fuck i guess i gotta hang out with fred again that's his oasis tour his oasis reunion tour is like all right fred again i'm gonna answer your call this time where are we playing bro how much i get and then he looks so happy on stage because he's like wow there's so many people here this is what it could be like having so much fun actually i think i actually like fortet i don't i think i listened to it and i've liked it in the in the past it's like fundamentally really good and it's like well he was he was the the guy the like pitchforky dance producer don't bring pitchfork into this no but you know it's like it's like very like mid 90s oh you're saying it's for us dumb dumbs to understand because i mean i said as a pitchfork rider but yeah it's it's like you know the the dance palatable for me the dance music that everyone can enjoy dance 1.0 but he's the og so it's he's the og yeah yeah yeah okay so it's not like godfather like patient zero of indie dance music okay okay i'm very soul of yeah we're merely suckling from is teat all right what's your first topic yeah bring up your little get your little phone out your little teen phone first topic teen phone his 0.5 ass this will this will require a bleeping are you on the family plan definitely what of your parents because you said you have a teen phone no i do have a teen phone i can't believe you can afford to pay your phone bill with all the clothes you're buying so that's it's only like 60 to 100 pounds a month depending on whether i've gone overseas and used my roaming my phone bill is astronomical you only facetim well that's it's That's a skill issue.

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19:00I thought he was a furry. Well, yeah, he is. Yeah. You saw the Christian. The Christian stuff is fascinating. He re-recorded his entire hit album. I didn't realize that he re-recorded it to be more Christian. He re-recorded his entire hit album to take out the cuss word. Like, literally, yay style. Oh, wow. Really? Okay. But that does... He's probably still... He probably still feels the edges. One of our coolest How Long Gone guests of all time. It's cool to be like, I'm a... I didn't listen to that because I assumed he'd be annoying. No, he was awesome. You have to be really talented to be a Christian furry musician.

19:28and cross over into mainstream music. Sign a deal with Madadal Records, yeah. Yeah, that's fucking very impressive. The guitarist from Nap Eyes.

19:40Perfume Genius, obviously. Perfume Genius is the number one gay guy in indie rock right now. Perfume Genius top gay guy in music. Cole from Model Actress. Okay. Stephen Merritt, again, over the hill, kind of. And then there's a lot of kind of like smaller ones. Bitch, those are the small ones. Yeah, right. But then back in the day you had Michael Stye, Morrissey what about Bad Bunny what about Maluma it's not indie rock I'm talking about gay guys in indie rock well he's a gay guy in country I guess no that's a good point the only genre that has less gay guys in indie rock might be country well ones that are out but what is the so who is the biggest actual like front page news I have the answer to this question because all these women are in bands now because we got lesbians out the wazoo yeah well i know back in the day it was such a male-dominated industry you know don't bring up saint vincent on this podcast garage bands indie rock bands it was a male-dominated thing having a female fronted band or female leaning manson is straight there were there were few and far between their novel acts you know a little bikini kill here a little l7 there whatever garbage like he said but now it's so inclusive and diverse that the gay guys don't even stand out even if their numbers haven't declined since then.

21:02But I think their numbers have actively declined. Show me the data. Yeah, I don't think... I'll show you the list. That's not data. That's a list you typed on your phone from memory. I mean, that is impressive. Yeah, but not from memory. It's crowdsourced. Oh, you've crowd... Oh, this is data then. Yeah, this is data. You've been doing the work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also you, you know, I mean, we're all too young to really know what it was like when Morrissey was killing it in 83. Yeah. So we would have to consult with a true old indie head to get... I feel like Morrissey's gaydom was almost overlooked.

21:34I think because he... He didn't talk about it. He kind of presented as asexual for a long time. He left us all wondering. And then in his book... As you wore his silk blouses and threw flowers around. I have a piece of Morrissey's silk blouse. What? Like a small piece of it like from the Berlin Wall? From the show, yeah. When people rip it up. You like pulled it up? No, somebody gave it to me. Wow. It's literally sequined Gucci. It's like a little it's like a piece that big. Do you have it encased in Lucite? That would be nice to just have framed not with like a label or anything. I gotta find it.

22:09That's the type of thing in your next house. Small little frame in the guest bath. What's that? Oh, that's just a piece of Morrissey's Gucci. I don't think anybody. I don't think most people. That's classy. Why the next house? well people it just felt right because i don't have a guest bathroom i think that people i think that people sucked in yeah i mean he wanted to say it but i took i did it before he gets a place with a little powder room then we could think about it yeah yeah jason has a second bathroom it's mostly for dog washing but i use it a lot yeah i mean i mean i just mean it's the best pisser in the house because it's not in his bedroom yeah i'm just saying but i noticed the dog soaps like they you change brands i noticed that's all i'm saying when i go in there i just noticed that you are you fucking shampoo checking i would never shampoo check i just notice different you know because i've thought about the beauty of your i thought your whole thing was that you do shampoo check and you will always shampoo check like i thought that was kind of your whole thing dog shampoo is new that's too dark dog shampoo is too dark because i guess you're not an authority on it so it would make it would actually let me tell you something right now i'm an authority on everything yeah do you take the dog wow you already finished the whole bottle of oatmeal cinnamon chunk do you take do you take the dog to get washed though it's oatmeal something yeah we'll do um we'll we'll spot clean it at home every once in a question about dog just a quick because if i had a dog i would not pick up the shit and i would never i would never wash it myself like a car like i'm not washing a car myself i'm taking i hope you never get a dog then because it sounds like you're you're never picking up the shit but like i mean this is why you would never have a dog though because like have you ever had a dog oh you couldn't you couldn't Yeah, I used to be you.

23:44It would be animal abuse to keep a dog in my apartment. The problem is society holds you accountable. I'm joking. I know that. I'm more saying the washing part. Because I feel like dogs don't like that, right? They act crazy. I think some dogs like it. Some dogs don't. It depends. Okay. Well, I just feel like it's a nice thing to take them to do. It is. Well, I think that's more. Maybe that's why you would be a dog dad. How much does it cost? More traumatizing when you take them to the groomer because you go, you drop the dog off. they get put into a little kennel and then some stranger you know how much does it cost it's like 40 bucks something like that 40 bucks way cheaper than i thought if you go to petco it's probably like his dog's small how often do you have to it's like suvs you got a big one they charge more take it we'll take the dog in maybe i don't know six times a year maybe like but we'll wash in between at home but what okay but what i'm asking is what if you only took it in how many times do you do that maybe monthly dude i would never put that out and with you like dog in new york i would say i'm not bragging about it it's getting dirtier just like from the atmosphere and also whenever we take it out for a walk we have these um hypoallergenic aloe wipes to wipe the dirt off the paws and stuff ah because the dog like it goes into the bed it goes on the couch it is it is disgusting how new yorkers just walk their dog around everywhere in these disgusting streets yeah bro it's disgusting back and then they go like jump on their bed or whatever yeah there's nowhere else sleep for the dog to sleep i think they also have aloe aloe wipes for the paws in new york but it's still gross i i reckon some of the kind of people you know don't some people that you know that live in like crown heights don't asian people have the little dog the booty the booty i like the booties i think they're funny and some white people are doing it too off and wash them they definitely do you know yeah but asian dishwashers say you're right you're right like people i know is what i'm because i saw you in new york i'm only saying that because asians have more of a no shoes in the house policy well i'm i'm not not to bring up tish but i'm wearing shoes everywhere i'm i'm going i'm not playing that game tish she her subway take was about it got removed because it was too controversial because she was like i'm time shoes are part of the look i'm leaving them on and people just went nuts that that got removed honestly i don't know if that's true but maybe i think she got called racist yeah definitely yeah definitely oh my god because i just don't want to take shoes off because it's i have to bend down or sit down to take my shoes that's crazy like if i'm wearing sneakers i can't i need a chair it's undignified it's undignified yes yeah i agree but it's also not my culture unless there's something on the other end of that where you really want you know if they're like oh you'd have to take your shoes off and then you just go right through that hall there's a big pile of cocaine and people will start sucking your dick you're like all right i'll bend down but it's like come in here and then we're gonna drink bad wine this happened to me recently this happened to me recently where someone was like i had to like take them off it was just a very i need to put them back on i was like dude i have to sit down i'm not sitting on the floor to put these shoes back on so we had to bring me a chair because i'm not i don't understand i can't sit i can't i'm giving me ma i will not sit on the floor or the ground anywhere i will not sit on the ground of the park i will stand that's not true i saw you sitting i saw you sitting by the the fence at the sabrina carpenter concert to get there first so i don't know sorry that's the only exception yeah i got there i got there at 6 a.m you were playing chess on your ipad i believe yeah no i was watching i was watching stranger things on my ipad thanks chris i don't yeah i i don't that sounds like something you would do i ran into you in new york oh my god i ran headphones full volume that is one of the worst things you could that was a joke fun of my limp all you want, but...

27:20The limp's gotta go. We gotta get this thing fixed. I think the limp will be gone by... Why don't you go see somebody? Go see an acupuncturist or an osteopath. I think it's one of those ailments where you just have to like... Just only time can heal it. I think it's maybe also in his head. Oh, period. You could put in a little ice. Maybe you can do an inversion. You can elevate the legs up the wall. Yeah, I've been doing that. I've been doing that a couple of days. So you've been using Claude to research how to fix it instead of going to see a professional. I proudly Google. I proudly still Google.

27:47I'm not... not talking to the AI agents. When I saw you in New York, when I ran into you at the newsstand, isn't that poetic? I ran into a shot at the newsstand. You and a gorgeous turquoise. That jacket really, my Arky in the ice blue mink color really did something. It's beautiful. It really brings out your eyes. What a color. It makes it look like a tropical fish. It's just like you would never consider buying it. And then I see it on you, and I'm like, wow, it looks so good. Well, thank you. Well, I think those jackets, Jason has a nice yellow. it's it's meant to be the brightest color possible to me a slicker i kind of have like a classic paddington style yeah it's an it's an orangey yellow like hibiscus flower you do have a bit of a paddington swag about you you know big patty this right here is paddington swag what was that oh goodness i've never seen paddington i'm just familiar with his look it's um you know the guy who made veep is writing the fourth one that's actually cool i know it's really cool i like The next time you're doing Christmas with Alex, that's when you watch Paddington.

28:50It's heartwarming. Is it Christmas-y? It's just got Christmas vibes. It has Christmas-ish. Like the hotel lobby. Okay. Yeah, man. When they sent Paddington down the runway, or the red carpet, you saw that, right? When it was like an animatronic? Oh, the little doll. So cool. It's crazy. It's so cool. Worth every penny. Whatever they spent on that is worth it. That's what Hollywood should be doing. It's for the Broadway show, so he's already made his money back or the West End show sorry we're in the heat of there's theatre all around us right now there is theatre all around you I can see a Costa coffee that's under renovation I don't want to talk about that and no one on the streets I don't want to talk about Costa or Pret next question Sean next question next one next on my list was so let me just get it up this one we can't really talk about I guess if we couldn't talk about the first one Recent racist pop star incident Recent racist pop star And this is not an Addison Rae joke No Who's the pop star?

29:53No, but you'll just have to bleep it Just do this Oh yeah, what did she do though? Confused me with another South Asian music journalist That's fine It's a free pass I forgot you told me this Alright, so a pop star thought you and another brown fella another brown skin we're the same shade yeah and she doubled down she doubled down and was like it was like no it was definitely it was definitely it's fine it's fine because she meets so many people clearly i just thought it was hilarious i think that that happens to me and other white guys honestly where people are like i think i'm like no that's just another i do it to people of all races all the time you're an equal opportunity so yeah because i don't remember anyone i meet um basically so it's actually well that's why assigning a race to them makes it easy to remember all these people like in your phone not if you social network is a beautiful multi multi in my phone you're brown child yeah yeah as opposed yeah because what if apple doesn't update and in the contacts you can add race well now it does the thing where lots of people have their memo now my shit says brown shot pitchfork that's how i remember brown shod pitchfork that's how i remember oh damn brown shod pitchfork texting me again let me see what this motherfucker had to say we'll see what he's got going on who ain't hey you had the new foo fighters song no it's never that it's always something like that though actually chris violet grohl rocks i think you'd be surprised i think we did have that conversation i think we both agreed that violet grohl rocked i know i haven't listened to i will not do that is that it's kind of girl's daughter yeah it's kind of happening so is violet grohl yeah better than Northwest?

31:35No. Depends what you like. In terms of rockin' daughters? What does Violet Grawl sound like? It just sounds like you know, the kind of like snail mail soccer mummy, like that type of like. Oh, okay. Is she writing it herself? I've only listened once and I thought it was just way better than expected. Oh, that's good to know. I'm sure they'd say she was writing it herself. I'm sure she's like writing it herself and then taking it to like, you know, how Rami Mars gets all her songs co-written by Claude. Oh, it's with Justin Raisin. so there's some pros in the room there are some pros in the room i'm not i'm not totally surprised what does romey mars do oh you know she writes her songs with claude you know claude.mp3 yeah we're not talking about claude the ai agent oh right sorry no i'm not talking about this is the phoebe bridger cloud the male ai no it's a non-binary phoebe bridger's associate yeah yeah i think i think they are signed to satisfactory records oh that that could be true actually um um the phoebe bridges i i i heard i got a full report from the show from a trusted source did the msg show happen already no no he went to a different one and he said the songs are good he said it's quite good but it is sad and he's like i don't know if it's about connor oberst or her dad or both is this trusted source eric dinas yes yeah um i've been trying to i've been trying to milk him for information about the phoebe bridges um constantly he's like i don't know anything i'm so pissed i didn't get to go eric let him milk yeah exactly i can't believe i imagine having to put 15 000 phones in yonder pouches that is the worst job on earth yeah they do it pretty efficiently like when you go see bob dylan or whatever it's like that you know i kept my fucking phone you ain't getting the phone for me i kept my phone also but it was just due to a glitch in the yonder system it's like when you it's like when you like leave a door just cracked enough so it you know what i mean it looks close but if you can keep it you can keep the pouch cracked yeah i i do i so do not believe in the in the yonder system i just it seems to work though because i haven't seen a single fucking video no neither of phoebe bridges and she's played a lot of shows i just think it's i guess you know i guess the difference is that the show is one dollar so you really are allowed to set the terms but like if people are paying just like let them let them go on their phone i agree like it's stand-up's the worst these guys think they're fucking god's gift like i'm gonna hear your joke about fucking like shut up tony hinchcliffe back in my day like it was too it's i thought the whole point of stand-up was that it's too scary to go on your phone because you might get heckled so you know like i guess you know if you know what stand-up is scary because going there makes you a mouth breather that's the problem you don't want to be with the people who are there that's the issue with stand-up even if somebody's funny you don't want to be in that crowd i've i was once tricked into watching some stand-up at permanent records in los angeles you guys familiar with this that sounds like an indie room as they would say in the biz i was there is it there they're washing machines and shit i was there to see sam gendell and blake mills play an experimental ambient jazz show in the backyard and there was there was a it was no i like i like sam yeah and so it was there was a comedy show going on upstairs and they're like yeah if you're waiting for the show downstairs just come come sit like don't worry you can leave at any time you won't get heckled and then obviously when we went to leave we did get heckled after watching 10 minutes of the worst comedy it was all like hey so like who here goes to whole foods yeah yeah i see you in the back like talking about like this was jason's first time so don't don't come for him like that he's working out new stuff it's family no yes he is no i go to whole foods like four days a week yeah yeah you don't there's only for certain there's one right by us here yeah it's the only one in london oh it's the only one yeah i thought there was like there's been a whole foods nearby this whole time yeah it's right around the corner it's really good yeah it's next to the devonshire yeah like literally across the street and moulin rouge that nice little remember you took me that funny restaurant over there that was very fussy we went to like a grand basement and i had like a saucy fish oh zadell yeah that place sucks the food is bad but the environment it's very cool it's like if disneyland made a recreation of balthazar yeah that's fair like which which is so awesome because it's for like a pre i've been to the cheesecake factory before it's it's really nice looking i will yeah and like the pink napkins it's just like a weird 70s like amazing place there's also a good bar within that same i've been to the bar before like crazy cocks never mind i haven't been to that bar before i think have you ever seen that somebody pull their pants down and said man you have a crazy cock i don't like to talk about my private life on the podcast fair enough okay you think that's you think that's you think you get to tell us what we talk about on our podcast you got it wrong shorty i got a crazy cock we respect you but not that much like that's we draw the line on respect actually i wanted to ask you what's it like being famous for interviewing charlie xcx now um how's traffic traffic is really good um it's not the best performing shard magazine post which is where you want it to be you want it to be the second best what's number one number one is just a number one and two are just kind of random posts i did i did i just wrote about some youtubers i like who are kind of like citizen journalists and like um doing like kind of really crazy really crazy just you pass me my eye mask just like insane just like crazy people on the internet being like this woman this woman who has a conspiracy theory that mac has been warming up its color range for the past 20 years and she and she every single day she buys cosmetics she spends hundreds of she spends hundreds she spends hundreds of dollars on vintage mac and compares them to new mac and is like see here i have proof that this shade is not the same as it was i mean years ago that's my best performing post just writing about her because that's pretty cool and that is that is good information similar to how people are complaining that the color palette and cinema is getting colder and colder and darker over time.

37:40Yeah, exactly. Mac is going warmer over time. Well, I think that probably speaks to a greater trend. Is that a recession indicator? The Kardashian future. You know, it's like kind of like everyone being the same kind of skin tone that is like a warm... I wish I didn't throw all my old Mac away. It's probably worth a... I had so much under my bed in high school. I bet you guys were rocking a bit of guyliner, quote-unquote. I've never worn women's jeans or guyliner because I was never skinny enough. I think guyliner as a phrase should be brought back. Honestly, I love it. Oh, you probably think metrosexual is okay to say too then, don't you?

38:11I do. This is my next point. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions, but how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do.

38:46That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire-owned platform. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. and who couldn't use more news, especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something.

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40:08Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive, and that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get$15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app using promo code HOWLONG. Taskers book up faster, especially for same-day tasks. So book Trusted home help today that is 15 off your first task using promo code how long with the task rabbit app or at taskrabbit.com every guy we know every guy we know now is metro and like you know everyone's talking about fake bisexuals blah blah you can just say oh that guy's metro i because back in the day metro sexual metro sexual wasn't necessarily a derogatory term well it's just an identifier to me it was there it was derogatory as a metro yourself i know a lot of people who would proudly identify as a metrosexual and they'd be flattered if somebody was definitely derogatory definitely derogatory in orange county we had different rules we're all fucking gay as hell no every straight guy knows in cosmetology school has pink flat iron i i understand that but i'm saying on a more like global scale i think it was like it wasn't like for people who aren't listening to the faint all the time yeah exactly that's what i'm saying it's a little bit more like it's like a you couldn't say the f word as like a you could be like fucking metro you know you You'd be like, that guy's metrosexual.

41:41I see, I see, I see. Okay, so it was like... So it's like zesty? Yeah, zesty. Zesty should bring... He's a little light in the low fuckers, though. Some people are just zesty. What's the difference between zesty and gay, then, in this... Gay, you actually do it. Zesty, we don't know. Yeah. We keep forgetting that. We forget that being gay means something. This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. If you're too scared to say gay, and you have to say zesty, you're gay. No, I'm saying... Sorry, go ahead. I'm saying to you it's two different things Well this is what I'm saying you know there's all this performative Male discourse or whatever but it's like What we're trying to find Everyone's grasping culturally for the term Metrosexual you're kind of right Let's bring back details magazine we're gonna do Gay or Asian their classic Their classic story I didn't know about that but that's also Gay or Asian or Metro or Asian it was a Famous magazine story that's like this one didn't age well Unless We bring it back on an Instagram based magazine Platform I mean I think that the instagram based magazine platform is it is all text all the time right yeah i experimented with photos for a brief period but it has to be all because you know all the other all text ones like the the guy like the fashion guy he i think once he started getting paid he had to start putting pictures which one is that style not style not combat that shit is so well it's just regurgitating there's no real there's nothing there like it's so i find that so annoying i find that so boring opposite of shod magazine yeah he's also opposite making money no i know i know i know yeah bank account on opposite yeah i know i know um and i'm aware and that's my cross that's my cross to bear i'm not saying i'm not saying you won't cross i'm not saying either no no i think nike paid me a small amount of money for two posts nike okay so you got some nike spawn con yeah what did we write about um i wrote about going to the club because they had a new shoe that was somehow about the club sure i wanted not to wear that and then i and then you got club and then i interviewed the musician igloo ghost who they were doing okay i'm out igloo ghost yeah bro take that what the fuck are you talking about who the fuck is igloo ghost that's the point it doesn't matter i still got paid i'm not but i am i'm a fan of igloo ghost though okay what is it sort of an electronic artist oh you don't say someone named igloo ghost is an electronic artists who would have thunk it's like um does it rock do you want us to explain what it's like it's like if a straight guy made arca's music i'm out all right the whole thing that's straight arca that's good that's good i don't think we need a straight arca that's the thing that's what you think until you hear igloo ghost so you're telling me that you're saying a nike a global conglomerate sportswear brand is doing what did they do with igloo ghost he dj'd at their party for the shoe that's about the club.

44:29Okay, that's fine. That's fine. Yeah. Do you think the shoe is cute? I don't remember because they gave it to me and I left it at a friend's house, but it seems super comfortable. It seems super comfortable and I love my friends at Nike. They seem super comfortable. I love my friends at Nike too. Nike's the only brand that matters. I can't really wear... I'm a fan of Apple. I can't really wear a branded shoe like that. You can't wear a sneaker? I can wear a sneaker. I'm wearing one right now. That is not a sneaker, bro. That is a weird little freak shoe. Well, as I said, I got tendonitis from wearing my Legacy sneakers on the weekend.

45:01Those aren't real sneakers. Real sneakers are made by Nike, Adidas, and New Balance. You don't wear any shoes with a brand, with a logo or anything on it? Sometimes. I mean, this has the... No, when you're a pure gym, what are you wearing? That's funny. But, like, the Nike or the Adidas logo, it's not really conducive to my whole... Like you said, like, I'm wearing jeans with butterflies on them. I'm wearing a crepe sweater with cropped sleeves i'm wearing you know a stripy shirt i've got this huge puffy bag with stars on it you could put these sambas on with that right now and be fine 100 if you had nikes on right now you would suddenly instantly look a mess out of nowhere i think that's true though i think i would look a mess like um there are some there are some that i like i like the pro sale nikes the ones that look like a grandma's couch yes the 90s I can consider debadging the shoe.

45:55Tough to do. Yeah, but it's hard to do now that everything's plastic and it's all just squished together. How do they make the shoes? They just take all the plastic, squish it together. There's no stitching. They do, though. They do. There's a lot of squishing. Nike especially. I don't know if there's more stitching, I would say, because it's more like that kind of profile. But the Nikes are all just like... Not wearing sneakers ever is crazy. I wear sneakers. They're just not... No, fashion... Oh, you know what I have? I have Salamons. Solomon Mary Janes. Your Sandy Liang, Solomon Mary Janes?

46:27And I have the non-Sandy Liang ones. I'm sorry, Solomon Mary Janes aren't sneakers. Those are shoes for women. Well, functionally, they serve the purpose of a sneaker. You know what could have hurt the top of your foot? Pulling that Mary Jane strap too tight. Something to think about. And it does. Yeah, I knew it. Something to think about. Especially now that shit's a little swollen. You're speaking like someone with experience wearing the Mary Janes. and you know how you can pull them through time. I tried on Mary Jane's once at a Tom Brown event because Moses Sumney was wearing them and we wore the same size, so he traded shoes.

47:02And all the gays were gassing me up. Two queens, mama, we are not the same. All the gays were gassing me up. All the gays were like, those look amazing on you. And everybody else was like, bro, take those off. When you and Moses pull up to the Asheville Tom Brown boutique and just try each other's clothes for a little bit. I got bullied by gay guys into putting Mary Jane shoes on. I always wanted to try them. Moses Sumney, not gay. I know, but the shoes... Oh, right. You guys were just doing gay stuff together. We wore the same size and he had them on. He doesn't really see gender. So we traded.