In short
Chris and Jason trade stories from a recent trip to Utah (including Ballerina Farms and Sagaponic General Store), then pivot to sports and pop-culture talk—especially the Knicks, fan “fair-weather” debates, and DJ Khaled at courtside—plus a long riff on cancellations of guests (Page DeSorbo) and “beta blockers” discussed on Summer House.
Guest backgrounds
No episode guests appear in the provided transcript. The hosts are Chris Black and Jason (no other guests named).
Key claims
Utah is portrayed as an oasis with high-end food and merch-driven profit (totes/hats), and a “sugar + pent-up” culture linked (jokingly) to Mormonism and “bottom” stereotypes. They argue Knicks fandom shouldn’t be gatekept by “you weren’t there” logic. They also claim reality-TV personalities discuss beta blockers more than everyday people, framing it as a “kid-gloves” anxiety solution.
Notable examples
Ballerina Farms protein soft serve (skipped), warm sourdough with butter/honey/salt at Sagaponic General Store, Sag Harbor gym crowd, DJ Khaled phone use during NBA coverage, and Steve Lacy’s last-minute Zoom cancellation.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOPoolside Chats and Recording Devices
0:06 to 0:28
Chris and Jason discuss their current locations and recording setups, with humorous anecdotes.
“We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that.”
Poolside Chats and Recording Devices
0:50 to 3:45
Chris and Jason discuss their current locations and recording setups, with humorous anecdotes.
Exploring Utah's Unique Vibes
3:45 to 6:10
Jason shares his experiences in Utah, focusing on food and cultural observations.
“I didn't see what was happening on the behind.”
Benson Boone and the Mormons
6:10 to 10:35
The hosts discuss Benson Boone's style and the cultural dynamics of Mormons in Utah.
Gym Culture and Hot Takes
10:35 to 14:01
Jason describes his experiences at a local gym, highlighting the diverse crowd and dynamics.
“So like all these, you know, masa chips are being flown in from all over the world.”
Ready to Go Home
14:01 to 15:01
The hosts discuss their current feelings about being away from home and upcoming plans.
“got it exactly that that that vibe but yeah so i'm i'm um needless to say i'm ready to go home um anytime how many more days do you have out there just one just one full day just one full And they're in SAG.”
Knicks Watch Party Plans
15:04 to 16:08
The hosts share details about a Knicks watch party, including food and drinks.
“But for others, juggling it all can be quite tough and can lead to overwhelm and counting down the minutes until those pesky little rugrats are back in school.”
Knicks Watch Party Plans
16:13 to 17:44
The hosts share details about a Knicks watch party, including food and drinks.
“Whether it's a new car, a used car, a semi-used car, a lightly used car.”
Corn Dog Purist
17:57 to 22:26
A conversation about food preferences, particularly corn dogs, and their variations.
“I was really on a carb loading program, no matter what I was doing.”
Wimby and New York Fans
22:26 to 26:02
Discussion about NBA player Victor Wembanyama and the culture of New York sports fans.
“He reminds me of a lot of Kareem Abdul, Jabbar, energy, super tall, lanky, but also probably low-key, laying a little piz-eye, and he's spiritual AF.”
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Fan Shaming in Sports
26:02 to 28:00
Critique of fan shaming among sports enthusiasts and the validity of new fans.
“Yeah, what do you think about the Stevie Nicks Heim sister shirt of it all.”
Marathon Reflections and Sports Talk
28:00 to 36:49
The hosts share their thoughts on marathons and the impact of sports culture.
“Yeah, throw a fucking tape measure down on that thing.”
Marathon Reflections and Sports Talk
36:56 to 37:59
The hosts share their thoughts on marathons and the impact of sports culture.
“if it ain't broke don't fix it sounds about right until you actually start doing that math jason for most businesses, shipping is that thing.”
Marathon Reflections and Sports Talk
38:09 to 39:54
The hosts share their thoughts on marathons and the impact of sports culture.
“Everyone from Leon Bridges to Taylor Swift.”
Cancellations and Male Trends
39:54 to 42:00
The hosts discuss last-minute cancellations of guests and their implications.
“I think sadly, and this doesn't look good for our gender, but I feel like it's men, Jason.”
The Fame of Bravo Personalities and Beta Blockers
42:00 to 45:20
Explore the unexpected fame of Bravo personalities and the use of beta blockers in public appearances.
“Did someone tell her that it would be fun and she should do it?”
Public Speaking Nerves and Reality TV
45:20 to 48:20
Discuss the balance between nerves and performance in public speaking and reality TV.
“If you're too afraid of what one shot of tequila is going to do to you, then maybe a beta blocker is the right move for you.”
Zav Trudeau's Musical Journey
48:20 to 53:00
Delve into Zav Trudeau's emergence as a Canadian R&B artist and the implications of his family background.
“It'll give him a little bit of juice, but not that much.”
Traffic Stop and Thoughts on Youthful Cops
53:00 to 56:00
A humorous recount of a traffic stop and reflections on the youth of law enforcement today.
“Once you get your monthly listeners up, come on the pod.”
A Close Call with the Law
56:00 to 57:20
The hosts recount a recent encounter with a young police officer during a road trip.
Tales of Rich Travelers
57:20 to 1:00:08
Discussion about affluent travelers and their quirky behaviors at airports.
“And now that I don't, I'm like, search me, bitch.”
Taylor Swift's Style Evolution
1:00:08 to 1:02:35
Analyzing Taylor Swift's fashion choices and public perception of her attractiveness.
“And he's like, I can get keys to the Burbank house.”
The Evolving Definition of Men's Fashion
1:02:35 to 1:07:26
Exploring the trends in men's accessories and the growing acceptance of luxury items.
“It's not like she's an ugly person, but I don't know if anyone talks about her being hot ever.”
A$AP Rocky and Fashion Statements
1:07:26 to 1:10:00
Debating A$AP Rocky's provocative fashion choices and their implications.
“And I was like, my God, this is the only time I've ever wanted this because it feels like God's plan.”
The Thong Distraction in Performance
1:10:00 to 1:10:28
Discussing how stage presence can overshadow musical talent.
“We don't have time to change out of your thong.”
Preparing for the Inevitable: Rimowa Coffin
1:10:29 to 1:11:03
Exploring the concept of preparing for death through a luxury coffin.
“If you're a member of the Giggly Squad, you're dead to us.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you?
0:13Jason Stewart:We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube.
0:50how long gone i just chris black it is a beautiful beautiful thursday afternoon here in east hampton jason the sun is still shining it's humid as hell today you know i was at the pool earlier i can literally see alex floating while reading a book right now and she deserves it she does deserve it much more than me uh that's why i'm in this room uh with my new play school recording device on the
1:13Jason Stewart:on the blower with them jeans yeah i had to get chris one of those kid proof recorders to make sure he didn't mess it up a lot of a lot of buttons were removed just one big button just one big button it's like it's like a and honestly it looks like it kind of looks like something that would come in a mcdonald's happy meal this is kind of the vibe it's the free gift with with a mcdonald's happy meal damn okay my yeah my first fruity loops user yeah yeah what is it fp studio that's what you told me they call it now because they don't want to studio fl i'm sorry of course fl yeah it makes more sense yeah that's the actual word yeah they're like lose lose the fruity it's cleaner we're so good yeah shout out to fruity loops all of our fl studio users um yeah so you're you're still out there in the country i spent the last few days in a different country where you're able to access easily from burbank airport and just a quick 80 minute bop over to utah and i got to do some utah stuff with which is basically have food that has a lot of sugar in it is sort of the general vibe in utah you know i think it's starting to i'm starting to think that with the mormons maybe it's it would be dangerous if we gave them drugs and alcohol because they're so after all these years their their aggressions are so pent up once they get jacked up on a fucking swig maybe that's all they can handle imagine if a mormon did a bump it could it could be a seismic shift in the in the culture of the church imagine if a mormon did a bump they would yeah they would kill their pet you know like whatever they have a golden retriever named ollie and they would first they would be crying while they killed it didn't know why they did it you know and i think sort of right now we're seeing that play out in real life with uh our friend benson boone he's sort of lashing out he he hasn't done a bump yet but he's seen a bump and now he is i think he's only wears dresses and then films himself benson did you do benson did you do any no no i just looked at it i just looked at it i swear i just looked like he said if he actually did do it you know he would do a backflip off the golden gate bridge to his demise and he'd be screaming the whole time he'd loving it yeah finally i can be released from my uh look dark angel look all he has to do is fuck a guy and he'll be fine that's really what you know what i mean if he just do it do it well i will say you know i have to say do it pussy as far as guys in dresses he looked good let's let's keep it a whole buck let's keep it a whole buck because his rig is tight like let's be real benson boone you can come on bro his music his music isn't great his mustache annoys me but there's no denying his tight rig and you you can you jason come on you have eyes admit the truth okay yeah does he keep a tight package yeah of course do i want to see an address no do does a dress made for a woman accentuate his features not at all does well i don't want to see him wearing a dakota fanning dress he ain't got the ass he ain't got the titties he doesn't have the torso for it i i i'm telling you that in a nice body con i think i think benson can pull it off i really do i think I didn't see the cakes.
4:12I didn't see the glutes. I didn't see what was happening on the behind.
4:14Jason Stewart:Bro, he's 5 '2 and can flip. You know the cakes are fucking - That's a good point. That's a good point. He's working with a lot of - Christina Tosi, bro. Shit looked like quarter sheets. He said, half sheet, one on the left, one on the right. I got a whole thing and he put them together. Yeah, and his fucking gay ass got his little princess cake out all the time. And he said, what do you mean? I'm not gay at all. He's sort of doing a new, different version of what Charlie Puth was doing for a little while. remember when pooth went through his like sexy phase and it didn't obviously oh it didn't it didn't help him sell any records benson boone i feel like he's not even doing this to sell records i feel like he's just doing this because he feels cold yeah he's between cycles and what i think is happening is his constitution is so weak he's only released one album and done one tour and he's already entered the britney spears filming herself during covid stage of his career you know let's call it 11 months after his debut album yeah yeah yeah yeah but i mean i think that those timelines are accelerated now in our modern era i think things have changed you know it's not thanks a lot adam phase yeah it's adam phase's fault oh it'll be on youtube okay um all right so how how was uh how was utah because i know that you hit because i've been going to every fucking swamp hollow frog pig farm you know that where they get you they get you outside it's this beautiful sort of spread of lettuces and snap peas and fucking fruit and you get inside and they're selling$40 pre-packaged lasagna and mesh hats you know what i mean so it's like i is that was that your and not that all this shit is delicious i had a i had a triple berry pie last night that blew my top off don't get me wrong all the products are made all the products are amazing but i'm just saying they're selling a lie i think the the farm aspect is true but they're really making money on the tote bags the mesh hats and the t-shirts and this and the sweatshirts yeah yeah you know what i mean yeah the the profit margin on the uh the the sweatpants versus the beef tallow it's it's it's a lot different you know what i mean um i also i'm sorry another thing i forgot about utah and we'll get into it more but we um in terms of the gayness and the the benson boone of it all we drove past the place on the way to ballerina called the river bottoms ranch chill chill chill chill chill chill it's like a wedding location an event space of course and i was like i think that might be what's wrong with you know the the gayness and the mormonism and the closeted and the you know the pent-up aggression and the sugar and all that stuff the problem is utah it's a state full of bottoms they're not getting fucked because there's no one to fuck well they're also all hot that's the other thing that makes it what do we do the frustration of of a room full of hot bottoms and not one you know not one dog i used to get those videos now we're going to get them after talking about this i used to get these videos on reels where it's like a guy on the byu campus like asking people like what they're what they would do it like what they would do to go to hell basically like what they would you know what i mean he asked them all it's so good oh like if you are if you were going to go out what would it be yeah it's so good because some people it's like oh i would you know whatever i'd have a threesome with my teacher and other people are like i would have i would have ice cream with chocolate sauce and then maybe you know what i mean it's it's the the range of i would i would probably i don't know play grand theft auto for an hour like what a way to go it's like i'll stay up past 11 the next guy's like well double murder suicide while i'm coming like too far do you have a dog do you have a dog i could kill because that would be great anyway so i'm pulling the fingernails out one by one with the needle nose and that's the that's first course well that's so funny all right so you all right so the hotel looked beautiful the view looked amazing we were podcasting with with sisto last week i got a little earlier this week i got a little view now you went to ballerina farms which is ground zero for sort of dumb shit um in in and good delicious i mean that again all these places are so good that it's like well yeah i mean it's tough to complain about but i saw you you sent me a picture you might have posted as well there's going to be a protein soft serve which sounds like there's a place here called the sagaponic general store which is full of like you know women that put on a full face of makeup to get a matcha latte and a breakfast sandwich they don't eat sagaponic general store it's like a fucking at the drive-in saw i mean it's a beautiful back garden the offering is fine but they're selling a lot of hats.
8:40But my point is they have a soft serve station that I've yet to patronize because I've only gone during the day. You know me, I don't do that. But you saw protein soft serve. Were you able to have a little nip and try it? Okay. All right.
8:53Jason Stewart:The problem was, I mean, that's what was going through my thick skull was like, am I going to have chocolate soft serve for breakfast? Like my first meal of the day, even if it is packed full of whey protein from hot, white, blonde haired, blue eyed cows, uh it's still too far so we went with the the greenhouse wait wait wait are these cows hot okay sorry sorry okay okay you're saying yeah we don't we don't use any ugly cows just to be grass-fed well you could say that i mean how you know that's a little better than that all right so you you went with grass-fed boots down um so yeah we went we went with a smoothie it was like a green smoothie that had some protein in it and a little maple syrup i like the way that they use maple out there because it's like we we are addicted to sugar but we are also into like sustainable woodsy type of you know organic naturally occurring sweeteners like that versus you know a stevia pack whatever so cool that got a couple little pastries you know a little croissant and but the thing i liked about it the most was with any purchase you get they give you a slice of sourdough bread still warm from the oven.
10:01Jason Stewart:And then they have a self-serve table with a giant thing of butter, like you're at a, you know, a caper magazine sponsored dinner party about the foodways of Southwest Thailand. And then, you know, some nice gray Himalayan salt or something. And then some local manuka honey, of course, to drizzle upon it. And, you know, or you could just do it for$1. So I like that idea. You can go into a place, hand them$1 bill, they give you, you know one of the better slices of sourdough bread you're going to eat smear it on with as much local butter and honey and salt it's imagine it was really quite good imagine if they put that in the west village oh my god women women would be killing each other there would be a death well that's the problem is you get the quality where it's higher than erwan and happier grocery and everywhere else no shade to those retailers but you know the prices are half the cost because it is utah so yeah your brain is kind of doing somersaults where you're Like I'm leaving a metropolitan area where everything is at your fingertips, driving into a town truly in the middle of nowhere, in the state in the middle of nowhere.
11:07Jason Stewart:It's just like a true oasis. So like all these, you know, masa chips are being flown in from all over the world. And it's still half the price of anything in New York and LA just because, you know, Utah different. That's nice. So you can get like this crazy smoothie and it's like$10. Because that's the opposite of what I'm doing here. It's the same. Because what you're paying for the status. I mean, you're paying for, I don't want, I don't care about like this milk being raw or whatever, or I don't care about like this bag of, you know, dried beans I'm going to take home and never use. I want other people to know that I have enough money to go to this place in this town.
11:46Jason Stewart:And that's what it's all about. I will say that there's a place here, a very popular place called Carissa's the Bakery. And the sourdough is unbelievable. I will say it is levitation level. um no dua and i i was i'm very impressed by it but i also i there's a gym you know because i told you about trying to go to the equinox in the hamptons where it's a it's on top of my my all access to membership it's an additional three hundred dollars a month to use the one out here which is just just amazing so what are you gonna do not pay i've been going to this the sag harbor gym which is like a local i realized the one time i'd been out here before i'd been to this gym it's kind of a classic locals gym like a little better than it should be because it's here but not not not too crazy.
12:27And the crowd is one of the greatest mixes I've ever seen at a gym. Because it's like old, rich guy, full-timer, Bentley parked in the handicap spot who are in better shape than us. Then it's all, if you're looking for a thick Latina, they all work here and they're all at the gym, just handle them the Smith machine. And then additionally on Thursdays, it seemed like a new crop of extremely hot college freshmen are home for summer, and they're just shirts off, biceps bulging, tan year-round. It looks like they play baseball at Pepperdine. You know what I mean?
13:09Jason Stewart:So I got a little something for you and a little something for me. A little Latina for me and a little Pepperdine shortstop for you. Exactly. A little second baseman for me. Biceps looking good, not a hair on him. It's one of the wildest crowds I've ever seen, but it's a great gym and the culture i can't tell what the culture is i've been five days in a row but i still haven't been able to pick up on what it is um but it's fascinating overall i think i think the culture at that gym versus the equinox gym out there is anyone as long as you're not gay it seems to be the sag harbor gym no no no no no no no there's there's plenty of gays but it's a certain it's like a it's like an older unfussy gay which is which is top of the heap as far as you know what i mean the the young guys are who are trying to party in montauk aren't there it's like guys that have lived here for a long time and have you know it's like a they're all like keith like andy's husband like really good looking really great shape very kind of queer got it exactly that that that vibe but yeah so i'm i'm um needless to say i'm ready to go home um anytime how many more days do you have out there just one just one full day just one full And they're in SAG.
14:17I'll be back in Money Making Manhattan on Saturday afternoon, just in time for the Knicks watch party I'm hosting over at my house. We got the projector out. I ordered three cases of Quinn's popcorn. I got hot dogs going on the grill. You already know what kind of vibe it's going to be over at my house.
14:36Jason Stewart:Hopefully, they're kind of a bodico style hot dog offering. You're not going to go Korean sliders this time, smart. Yeah, the Korean. What is the popular Korean dog that's going around? I'm not talking about David Cho. Like the one that - Korean dog? They mean like the corn dog? Yeah, the Korean corn dog. Yes, I see that quite often. Yeah, they're popular over there in New York. Have you tried one? Is it good? It probably is. I've never tried one just because - It's a little stupid. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by BetterHelp. You know, Jason, for some people, summer is their favorite season.
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18:55I was really on a carb loading program, no matter what I was doing. It wasn't rice cakes and peanut butter before I go for a 30 mile jog.
19:02Jason Stewart:I'll say brown rice and tofu, cream cheese, green tortilla. Yeah. I'll get some green sauce on the side, please. Yeah. But this, okay. So the Knicks victory last night, I of course fell asleep. I was paying attention. Damn. It was a real bummer it was i liked that i was able to watch most of the nba finals from uh from a hotel yeah that's a good place bar it's a good vibe what was the what was the crowd like at the at the hotel lobby bar to watch a basketball game and who got the most drunk you or carolyn um i would say we both we both kind of drank the same amount but i'm i feel like i got a little sillier drunker she was able to hold it more the altitude up there you're like eight nine thousand feet up yeah so You really got to, you know, just two drinks.
19:46Jason Stewart:And also in Utah, they have the little cocktail restrictor nozzle on the bottle. Oh. So when you get a, you know, quote unquote, a Utah martini. I need to think about this. It's still 23, but it's just half the amount of vodka. So it's just, when you go to these cool restaurants, they're like, we made a tiny teeny because, you know, we're afraid of drunky, drunky. You know, it's the same thing. But they don't charge you$11.54. They charge you, they're still charging you the 23. but you know when you go to a montage hotel in a fucking ski resort yeah you're gonna get taxed yeah it's not a yeah it's not a secret there yeah i mean i'm happy i'm happy for all the people that care too much about this um i do think that even though i know it's bad throwing eggs at wimby when he's going to the hotel is hilarious after after his team just lost uh embarrassingly so So bad form, kicking a man when he's down.
20:40Jason Stewart:If he destroyed the Knicks and if they called the game at the end of the first half, then yeah, sure, throw an egg. I think New York City in many ways is the kind of kick you while you're down place, like ground zero for that, whether you're a civilian or a seven foot four multimillionaire. We love kicking a man when he's down. We love beating a dead horse. him going around him sketching in the park and like all that shit is really funny because it just makes people want to fucking kill him in a way that's like you know what man let this basketball player be more well-rounded than just cheating on his wife you know what i mean let this guy let this guy have his hobbies but it's too imagine seeing imagine first of all the new yorker who gave him the key to the grammar sea park that's crazy work you better be from santa you better be from san antonio and secondly imagine seeing that like imagine you're on you're walking bean through the through the park you look over and you see you see wimby sketching like what what do you even how it feels like a figment you know what i mean it doesn't feel real it doesn't feel real which is i'm over here with my hands over my eyes like this exactly i'm sorry to say what now exactly but i would of course go over and talk to him and build because we're both kind of the same guy at the end of the day.
21:56I wouldn't go that far. I mean, he would, finally, someone would height-mog your little ass and make you feel small. It would be, honestly, it would be like every picture of us together for how long gone. Finally, you would be me and Wimby would be you.
22:09Jason Stewart:Yeah, the only difference is I'm secure with being shorter and, you know, other people might not be. Who the fuck are you talking about? I don't know. I don't know nothing about that bitch. I'm good. I feel real good, okay? No, you are good. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about those other bad people. Yeah, you're talking about, okay. I think Wemmy and I would be able to build. He reminds me of a lot of Kareem Abdul, Jabbar, energy, super tall, lanky, but also probably low-key, laying a little piz-eye, and he's spiritual AF. He's giving Buddhism down. The pictures of him training with the monks are also—I just like when an athlete is a total freak because they have to—you only have one calling in life.
22:52so any of this other stuff is truly just to please yourself do you know what i mean like it's not like wimby's going to turn one of his weird hobbies into a job he has a hundred million dollars he never has to work again it's all good so it's like i feel the the pure the purism of it all sort of
23:07Jason Stewart:i like personally yeah whatever he's doing is only because he wants to not because it's like the right move it's it's not like you know i'm thinking about you know investing in this biotech company with i'm trying to think of who's the guy on the lakers oh kuzma yeah yeah yeah no thinking about dropping 3.4 on rothy's with kuzma you know he's over here like i'm gonna probably try to get better at doing the splits work on my bonsai and then get my like resting heart rate down exactly before i have like a dope meal you should taste my match i've gotten really good with the whisk yeah that's the 100 what he's doing i i appreciate come in i'd love to share an offering with you yeah exactly i really i appreciate the dedication hobbies but i do feel like if they win on saturday and I think there could be a riot.
23:52I actually think it's stay inside time. Bar Oliver might get lit on fire. You know what I mean?
23:57Jason Stewart:So they could win. They're up 3-1. They could win on Saturday. I'm going to be flying into New York on Sunday. Shout out to our friends at FX's The Bear. More on that next week. But the plane is going to be approaching JFK and the pilot's going to be like, no. yeah turn this turn this shit around yeah we're going to baltimore that place is already burned down exactly it's burned down it burns down once a week yeah they're like we're gonna have to divert to philly and everyone the plane's like no anything but that we'll take our chances with the fire i think it'll be hopefully it'll be okay but i think that the the the pure excitement and the bringing everybody together thing i'm like all right guys relax like i don't know i mean i i see both sides but the the excitement and i i think all of the stuff about like you know you're not a real fan like dude shut the fuck up if you pay if you pay new york city rent to me you're allowed to root for the team whether you moved here a year ago or 30 years ago or you were born there that seems fair to me like i you know what i mean like i don't i don't think you need to wear a custom t-shirt that says stevie nicks you know what i'm saying i there's a line but i just mean i think that this sort of this sort of fan shaming when it's something that everybody's so excited about feels misplaced to me yeah it's the same thing as shaming somebody for being like a newfound fan of harry potter or some or star wars or something like that it's just at that point it's sort of public domain for anyone to enjoy as much as i like there's nothing niche about it whatsoever yeah as long as much like to say you wasn't there you know etc i just think with with a oh you started listening to taylor after love story yeah yeah yeah it's like the fuck out of my face.
25:43Obscure hardcore, I think that's okay to do.
25:46Jason Stewart:Obscure anything. Obscure anything. Oh, you just found out about Catharsis. I guess you weren't there. But I don't think that applies to one of the world's biggest sports franchises that is in the biggest city, the most important city in the world. That just seems a little misplaced to me. I agree. I agree. Yeah, what do you think about the Stevie Nicks Heim sister shirt of it all. People are mad that Taylor Swift is a fair weather Nicks fan because two weeks ago she was in Oklahoma rooting against the Nicks with her husband, or I mean her fiance. Well, I think once you're rich enough and you're a citizen of the world.
26:24Jason Stewart:She is a homeowner in New York and a resident of New York, so she's allowed to, whereas she's just there supporting her oafish man, right? Yeah, I think that I would say that's the division there. I would say that's the division there. He's so busy. He's not even watching the game. He's got a Korean corndog in each hand. He's so happy. He has his favorite music on in his headphones. Travis Kelsey is the kind of guy to sit courtside with like a beer helmet on. You know what I mean? Just so he can free his hands to eat more and look at his phone. But I mean, the DJ Khaled on his phone shit is so amazing.
26:52That's still my favorite thing so far of this. Like every single time they cut to him in game three, he was on his phone. Every single time.
27:00Jason Stewart:We need to start booing Khaled the way we boo Donald J. Trump, guys. You don't deserve it. There's so many people who need that seat more than him. It's bullshit. Get a real sports fan in there. Doesn't even have to be a Knicks fan. Just somebody who wants to watch the game, who will maybe pay attention to the game while it's happening right in front of you for Cranah. I think the problem is DJ Khaled himself. You're not watching Southern Charm reruns at home. Get your hands off the phone. He's never been physically able to play a sport, so I think maybe he doesn't understand what's going on in front of him.
27:31You know what I mean? Don't get me wrong, Jason, that's no disrespect. Turntablism is a sport if you do it right. You know what I mean? If you're doing it like...
27:37Jason Stewart:For him, yeah, he's moving. He's moving a lot more than I got to move. Exactly. When I go around the back, you know what I mean? Because I got the kettlebell and I'm kind of doing it around the world, so I kind of have the motion. When he's going around the back, it's a whole operation for him. He's got a lot of real estate to navigate. This is technically a time where the term big back can be used literally, I think, in this. Yeah, throw a fucking tape measure down on that thing. We're going to max her out. We're going to max her. The floor can't handle so much. But yeah, I... She can't take it no more, Captain.
28:07But it is bringing people together, which I guess is a good thing. But it reminds me when people say the marathon's the best day in New York. It's like, why? Because it fucks up traffic? Like, what's the best... Because other people are accomplishing their lifelong goal of completing a marathon and you're cheering them on with a cup of water.
28:22Jason Stewart:Wow, it's so great. It's the best day of the year because it makes all of our underprivileged minorities really hard to get to work and feed their family every day. You think that's good, guys? Jesus, fuck. I personally, yeah, exactly. I personally have some thoughts. Also, speaking of sports, shout out to a friend of the show, Adam Freeland. He has a soccer podcast with The Ringer, and I was thinking about a guy who gets into soccer because of the Adam Freeland show. Do you think there's any true organic conversions where they're like, you know what, I'm going to give soccer a chance because of this, and it actually works.
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28:58I think there are people that listen to Adam Friedland that have truly never been exposed to sports unless it's a video game.
29:05Jason Stewart:That's what I'm thinking. Because normally the Ringer, they're kind of preaching to the choir. They already have the sports content for sports fans. He's being acquired by the Ringer Network to bring in new toxic, dark, woke, left-center sports enthusiasts. I mean, this is the smartest thing. This is the smartest thing the ringer could do. Because it's dork city over there. And this is a different kind of dork city that is so close to the border of cool that it overlaps occasionally. And I think this is a smart, smart way to branch out. I know that there's some thinking that this is going to neuter him or whatever.
29:44But I don't think Adam can be neutered. That's my real feelings. I think he's a true freak whose flag must fly. I don't think he can like, he's not going to turn to call her daddy because he made a little more money.
29:57Jason Stewart:No, no, I agree. I think he's got enough integrity. He won't do that. Happy for you, Adam. Well done. I think also like the Ringer network, it's a bunch of talented people who with a good sense of humor, but no one's really like deprecating anyone or anything. And I think they need him to come in and, you know, have somebody make fun of Bill Simmons because he doesn't care. like you know tease things and make fun of things in a way where it's not so you know the kid gloves everything's going to be okay kind of we're never going to get into a yeah a real sure little argument or something like that you know yeah i can't wait to hear i can't wait to hear him do three hours on scorsese's best scene or whatever you know that's really that's really what we're looking for over here at how long gone yeah um we're gonna we're gonna watch dumb and dumber and do a live recap on the dvd dvd um and also i've been hearing a lot of people um what was i was listening to lauren sherman and uh jacob gallagher they were talking on her podcast fashion people about like shows happening in la like the hermes show and zinnia the zinnia I feel like everyone in New York keeps obsessing and teasing LA with all the tropes that LA has, you know, the athleisure and the this and that and the smoothies and the Pilates.
31:17Jason Stewart:But you know, at this point that happens everywhere. That's happening just as much in New York. Why does New York hate LA so much, but they keep wanting to come here? Because it's nicer. Because it's nicer. Only in the... Like what are, I'm trying to think of another example of like, we talk shit on this place so much. Yeah. We can't stop going there. You know what I mean? I mean, I think I'm in one of those places kind of right now a little bit. But I, I would, well, I think it's, I think I've always said this. I don't, the cities are incomparable and to pit them against each other seems foolish to me.
31:53Like they're just so, they're so different. And I do think that like, sure, like LA has smoothies and Pilates and people don't work, but guess what New York has? Smoothies, Pilates, and people that don't work. I think it's just a different, it's different types of people doing the same thing. And when you go to LA, I think New York is so hard to live in that you have to fire shots at a place that's doing similar stuff, but it's much easier to live in. I'm saying it's misplaced, I would say, but I think that could be part of the reasoning.
32:24Jason Stewart:Yeah, I just wonder if there's ever gonna be a time where we get some singularity where New York just stops caring about it so much. Well, I think that both cities care about each other too much. I think there is a... I mean, the classic, I'm too ugly for LA, I'm too dumb for New York or whatever thing is real. And I think that will never go away as much, even if places evolve and change, it's sort of a historical... Yeah, it's true. You know. And it's never gonna frickin' stop. Do you have anything going on? I have a lot of questions for Paige DeSorbo I'm trying to run through Paige cancelled on us for the second time so I'm able to come out and say that I'm officially Team Craig I was going to hold back I didn't want to endorse a candidate So we were supposed to have Paige DeSorbo on the pod of Giggly Squad fame Summer House, Giggly Squad the brand Daphne and several other ventures but she cancelled us again and I think that might be the last time And, you know, I usually someone like that, I do find her pretty fascinating in many ways.
33:31But I have to have some constitution. I have to make How Long Gone kind of put down the boot, you know. Sometimes it's like you can't keep coming back to the buffet. You know what I mean? Two strikes and you're out, mama. Yeah. Some people do three. How Long Gone, we do two.
33:46Jason Stewart:Yeah. It's a damn shame. Well, I was curious and I wanted to ask you because I was thinking about it. and um also shout out to um katie my brother's girlfriend she's uh she's a page disorbo knower and she gave me some some little insights and stuff she she knows ball as they say knows ball she said jason is the hannah and chris is the page wow i don't know what that means exactly but i think our girlies will know yeah that feels both right and wrong but i think that's yeah no i don't i think it's right chris based on nothing i think it's right well okay and also she said that she is not a fan of our close friend Shep and recent ayahuasca author.
34:28Well, Shep's coming back on the show. So we're team Craig and team Shep. Guys rule. How could we not be team guys from Charleston? Because a few more decisions, a few different decisions, and me and you are Craig and Shep, Jason. You know what I mean? Like, you're kind of a guy with a surf shack and a little bit of family money and I got a sewing empire. That is not that crazy. That is not that crazy for us. No, no, no.
34:50Jason Stewart:We're wearing some tan pants that are nylon material. Yeah, bro. And I've got a blue long-sleeve hoodie shirt that covers my rear end a little more than a normal shirt. What time are we going to meet for the bar crawl? You're 44 years old. Yeah, yeah. What time are we going to meet for the bar crawl? I see that. Those guys I feel related to because of my Southern heritage. Literally, if I made a few different decisions and was better looking and had an affinity for fishing, that could be me you know i mean and those also those kind of guys aren't that far off from like an orange county kind of guy it's it's same yeah you know same coin different sides yeah and and it is a little unfair because for you is thinking like you know put down the put down the bubbler put down the the swisher and pick up the you know whatever they're doing out there you know pick up the the nerf beach football set or what's the game where you slap the ball on the net yeah you know what i mean and it comes that's what they're doing put down the swisher and play the little slap trampoline bouncy beach ball you your life would be in a different place but me as a socal guy i don't have to put down the bong to pick up the beach volleyball well here's able to do both here's the thing jason and this is this is this is a great point on your part i think that orange county is a bong i think charleston south carolina more of a pipe classic head shop pipe hand blown of course hand blown oh don't get me wrong she's cute but i'm saying i think that that's how closely related these places could be the fishing the surfing the clothing the marijuana smoking disc sports disc sports the canned beer drinking these things are all in lockstep in many ways a little bit of a whites only flavor you know a lot of a lot of through lines but this this sort of leads me to believe or this sort of leads me to to wonder and ponder the question of all the times we've had a how long gone guest cancel last minute how often are they male how often are they female oh wow this episode of how long gone is brought to you by our old friends at ship station if it ain't broke don't fix it sounds about right until you actually start doing that math jason for most businesses, shipping is that thing.
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38:52Jason Stewart:Yeah, Chris, I am personally friends with Michael from dart and i have worked with them for years uh i think the last time i did a big one we did the uh the sweet green wedding they set up a beautiful booth uh for the you know for the ceremony just some cocktail music some vinyl some cool vibes and then they set up a whole big tent with a crazy bumping sound system for me to play in later these guys are great a lot of people always ask me like hey you know do cool wedding djs exist do cool event people exist the cool part about dart is they'll work with people like me to come and dj your party as well as provide all the gear and all the consulting and all the all that stuff so if you don't know who to hire for your event dart collective is the one dart just like throwing a dart dash collective.com and uh ask for mike his email address is michael at dart dash collective.com tell them we sent you so if you have an event coming up this summer Dark Collective is where you go the most famous one to me that stands out in my mind the worst cancellation of all time was Steve Lacey 20 minutes after we were already on the zoom that is the most legendary that's the worst cancellation of all time okay well I mean which category does Steve Lacey fit into guy or girl he's a guy he's a guy even though he carries a Saint Laurent bag and he is gay he is a guy but i would say that's the that's the worst one i mean today look page we got a three four hour that's that's honestly better than most i i feel like you know what i mean um but steve lacy's one sticks out to me because it was literally like we were on the zoom waiting for him and so were his pr people and they're like sorry we don't know where he is and i'm like oh okay well i can guess where he is he's he's underneath somebody in malibu somewhere let's get him on the fucking phone you know like how like put down the fucking you put down the you know he's recording guitar into his iphone he can pick up the fucking computer it's fine looking for his frank ocean jewelry pinky ring underneath a guy's couch in topanga he's not going to be able to hop on the riverside call i dropped my homer somewhere behind the pollen pollen couch i don't know where it is my hands and knees looking for my i can't think but i my homer under my pollen.
41:19I think sadly, and this doesn't look good for our gender, but I feel like it's men, Jason. I feel like it's men. I don't know exactly because I try to block these. Really? I try to block these things out because it pisses me off so much as a Google Calendar whore that likes my shit organized. But, you know, I think that...
41:36Jason Stewart:I guess we do kind of block them out out of self-preservation. And that's such a male trait. But I do, I will say that I think that the last minute cancellations for how long gone do ramp up during the summer months. And I, because I think people are distracted. A little summer Friday fever kind of thing. They're traveling. Exactly. And someone like Paige, to her defense, she podcasts, she's got a lot going on. She's making a lot of money. Does she need to do How Long Gone? Absolutely not. Does she want to do How Long Gone? Absolutely not. Did someone tell her that it would be fun and she should do it?
42:07Absolutely.
42:08Jason Stewart:But also, did she get a calendar invitation and say yes to it? Several times. Several times. Well, that's the problem. no i agree we get we get asked to do stuff all the time and we either say yes or we say no or we just don't reply at all we know we we never say yes and then that's true don't do it that's true but i think that there is a level of fame and notoriety that is far below a list but these kind of people like these sort of bravo personalities are more famous than several musicians and act you know what i mean like whole categories of people that we consider to be big musicians and actors giggly squad you know phoebe bridges is opening for her you know what i mean yeah giggly squad is a huge successful podcast they sell at radio city they do xyz hannah has a great name too it is a great name it really is but i i think that there's a big you know page what i want to talk to her about today is she's been very pro beta blocker over the years you know ha ha ha we take beta blockers and then recently on the uh on the summer house uh reunion the two people that are in trouble west and amanda were sitting on the couch like you know mute bumps on a log while they're just getting absolutely ravaged by their you know okay co-stars who hate them and andy cohen who's i've never seen andy do this he straight up has to ask west are you on drugs like are you on something right now and i think instead of saying i snorted a bar and had a little a little jd before i came out here he said he said beta blocker because that's the beta blockers to me feel like the acceptable sort of kid gloves version of Xanax or Ativan or other benzos that real ones would use.
43:51Jason Stewart:It's like when I'm at TSA and they're like, well, what is that? I go CBD. It's for my, yeah, exactly. I get a little arthritis. What is, is that, what is that? Oh, that's not cocaine. That's magnesium powder. It's a simple, you can do this all day. It is the perfect crime. And anytime, you know, what if every time they're like, oh fuck, Trump fell asleep again during a press conference, he'll be like, ah, beta blockers got me. I was just zonked out. I just wanted to do such a good job and I get, you know, with my autism I get a little nervous on camera. The problem with beta blockers, which I've never used one, I don't fully understand them.
44:23The best part about this whole thing is Ciara, the sort of victim in this Summer House story, is a nurse and she was, she like went on, she was like, well actually beta blockers, blah blah blah, you know, breaks down their effects. I find that doing public facing stuff, I think part of the fun and the excitement is the nerves that you feel. And I don't, I mean, obviously it's different. I'm not going on national television to get, you know, called an asshole for two and a half hours while Andy Cohen looks at note cards.
44:52Jason Stewart:And you're also not using gloves to do deadlifts at the gym. No, but I just mean, I feel like that's part of the whole thing. And that's kind of like, you don't get the payoff without the nerves. I like the nerves, you know, a little bit. And like, I think if you don't get them, it's sort of scary. It becomes a problem. Obviously, you want to get comfortable and loose out there, but you have to earn it. Of course, we always have a shot of tequila before you go downstage, that kind of thing. If you're too afraid of what one shot of tequila is going to do to you, then maybe a beta blocker is the right move for you.
45:29Jason Stewart:But also, if that's the case, maybe public speaking isn't right for you. Maybe get into something else. But beta blockers are also their prescription, correct? like you can't go get these at your local yeah they're not over the counter i think they're like they're definitely not hard to get it's a thing that you can get because i don't really know if it's a thing that gets like abused and sold it's more so just like i could find a way i think i could find a way it feels like something that i could take every day what is that amoxicillin all right when you take that you blend it with two shots of two c yeah but i i do think it's in it the beta blocker conversation has become it's particularly talked about in in like a certain sect of like reality show people because i think that they're just like they can't like if they log on to their instagram it's just people telling them to kill themselves and it's like if they go out in public like they get their photo taken by every person at the bar in line at the airport or at the wedding in italy so does that mean they're bar they're blocking betas like all day long or i'm not going to say all day long but i think that comes in waves where the betas need to be blocked to get through life.
46:33Like, because it's so, because I think that what, I think it's like, because these people aren't looked at as like, quote unquote, actually famous, you know what I mean? Like, you will get literally heckled in the street the way that that would never happen to like Brad Pitt or whatever. You know what I mean? No one's screaming, Brad Pitt's a deadbeat dad when he's walking through Tribeca. You know, it's like, but if you see West at the airport, you're throwing a bottle of water at him and calling him a cheater. Like, that doesn't happen to real -
46:59Jason Stewart:You're throwing an egg at his head just because he didn't like how he treated Summer on episode four, season three? Exactly. Exactly. So I do think the beta, but I don't know people who, I feel like that's the most I've ever heard about beta blockers are on these programs. Whereas I know in real life people use them, but it doesn't seem to be as spoken about. Yeah. I know that like, who was, Neil Brennan talked about using them a lot because of his like, whatever severe mental issues that he had. He kind of needed them to even just go up yeah and do 15 at you know the chuckle house in venice beach or whatever i think that's fine i mean in those situations if you're like i really love going up on stage and performing but i really you know it's not so much like i get nervous and i like flub a line and but it's more so like sometimes i like faint and i have to like go to the hospital then yeah let's block those let's block those betas but otherwise like you're saying you you got to earn that that nervous feeling up there that's how you push through you want to you want to get loose because you warmed up yeah you don't want to get loose because you did a motherfucking pharmaceutical but i think if the options are i cannot do my job without this because i have so many problems versus like i need to take the edge off a little bit i think that's two different things but i i feel like if i'm gonna go if i sign up to go on tv and get called a bad person but i'm doing three million in brand deals this year for my instagram account you know thanks to our friends at doordash I do think it's you gotta nut up a little bit yeah or also if everyone in the world is calling you a bad person maybe fix it maybe well or or lean into the villain arc you know that's what that's what reality television is built on if we didn't have these villains we wouldn't have the heroes Jason think about it that way yeah give me a heel shake things up on a new episode of Traitors have you heard about have you heard about Justin Trudeau's son I meant to ask you about this earlier Lil Trudy?
48:53no Zav Trudeau um an r &b artist uh who is is performing now and he he looks like is there a more canadian r &b artist name than zav trudeau i am zav trudeau i grew up listening to the weekend and house of balloons is sort of my entire inspiration um but my question is with zav and his career blossoming do you think he's like hell yeah you know dad's dad's with katie perry now she can hook me up with max martin or do you think he's like you know i'm trying to i'm trying to forge my own path man i I mean, yeah, my dad's a famous and his girlfriend's a famous singer, but me, Zav, nah, bro. I'm not taking any fucking handouts.
49:32Jason Stewart:Yeah, I think it really depends on whether or not or how strongly he feels about nepotism and being labeled a Nepo person because, I mean, I guess when your dad is the prime minister of Canada, you don't really think that that's going to go too far in terms of him headlining Bonnaroo this year. It'll give him a little bit of juice, but not that much. and i mean katy perry in 2026 that association might hurt his career more than help no katy perry could make no katy perry can make some calls though i'm saying behind the scenes i'm saying like of course of course let's get dr luke to send over the beat pack you know what i mean i'm not i'm not saying like i'm not so man so more so it's like he's he's spent his whole life being the son of the prime minister of canada and now that he's finally out he's a civilian and now it's like oh god damn it now he's more famous than he was when he was the leader of a country it's rare there's a hot leader of a country you know what i mean it's and this kid zav is quite good looking i mean he's got the stupid tiktok haircut and shit but he's a good looking guy like he could be he he could be successful i mean a young saddam hussein daddy oh i mean i always say that i'm so glad that you said it so i didn't have to i'm so glad you said i did well have you listened to the music yet zav trudeau's offering i think put put a zav song at the end of the episode and we'll let the people decide i don't know if i have it i have not had a chance to listen i'll play one right here
51:09i have i have not had a chance to listen to zav yet zav zav you're so based just just i learned about them on the popcast modern r &b is not my uh preferred genre as you know also i does that zav trudeau might just go by zav i think zav trudeau sounds sick i think that's the i think the thing he's got going for the most is his name being zav trudeau it sounds fake his number one
51:33Jason Stewart:song on spotify is called till the night's done oh hell yeah that means what do you think that's about going around he's he's going around and he's going up rounds on the bag that's what it sounds like to me but you grew up in montreal they give you coke at birth like that's one of the most i mean you you have to party if you if you are in montreal that's part of the deal wow his his um spotify bio zav is a canadian rnb artist blending smooth melodies moody production with honest lyricism he's also the son of former prime minister justin trudeau we need to get jacques green on that i bet jacques green's already done a remix do you think that there's a ktronada you know re-edit well i hope i think okay his uh his debut single till the night's done uh shows influences obviously of drake don tolliver and bryson tiller oh so if he's going kind of tiller tolliver direction you know maybe he's going a little bit more you know a vibe that we're more into a little more of a joe buttons r &b versus you know a steve lacy's version of r &b yeah this does feel like a sleeper ice would have played in 2024 based on the disc he's kind of he's like i'm he's the white nav hopefully i don't know this is cool i think this is i i like the fact that he's kind of doing his own thing and bucking tradition he's not going into politics he said dad you leave all that shit i'm out here trying to be don toliver one of the worst artists to ever walk the earth dad i'm a roadman i'm going i'm going to vancouver and then calgary and then ottawa on my summer tour this isn't a fucking phase dad OVOs for life.
53:04I wear this sweatsuit with pride.
53:06Jason Stewart:Okay, happy for Zavvy. He does look like a nice man. Once you get your monthly listeners up, come on the pod. Zav. I mean, Zav and Nav. I'll have Zav any day. Zav, we need to be on the ground floor of this. Also, yeah, I just went to Dune. I had this falafel plate with the side of Zav. It really kind of cut through some of that hummus-ness. The hummiosity of it all. i wanted to tell you that i got pulled over yesterday this is going to affect the how long on tour yeah well honestly so i'm in this this bmw x5 that is a very nice car but it's a shade of m class it's a shade of blue that is noticeable and i didn't know this but m5 is it i've never gotten more i've never had more people talk to me about a car in my entire life like guys want to guys want to talk about the m5 and ask you and you have you've been you've driven all over this fine country in an orange Aston Martin and other similarly, you know, kind of peacocky vehicles.
54:08Insane, expensive, fast, brightly colored cars are sort of my niche in the tri-state area. And guys have, I mean, I'm talking to a guy in the gym, saw me get out of the car, came up to me in the gym like 30 minutes later to talk about it.
54:21Jason Stewart:What do they want to know? Just like, how does it feel? How does it feel? I think it's one of those cars that like is barely out, like it's barely on the market so i think it's like if you're a bmw guy you haven't really seen it maybe or you haven't whatever so they're talking to me about paddle shifting so people are like um who are you and tell me everything why do you have this how did you steal this from so yesterday i did a move that i think of as you'll understand this you're trying to turn left there's a backup of cars the turn lane is let's say five cars in front of you so you just kind of edge out there's no one coming you cross the yellow lines you get in the turn lane you know i'm talking about i know what you're talking about this is a classic thing that everybody does i did this i passed a police officer i make my left turn he lights me up he lights me up in the x5 i'm obviously i'm not riding dirty um and i i pull over and this time you did pull over okay this time i pulled over i usually give chase i could have outrun him in the x5 in the in the m5 and the m5 but so i um I get my license out.
55:26The cop walks up and this motherfucker is maybe 22. And the first thing I thought of was this is going to ruin the world tour.
55:34Jason Stewart:He's never even heard of NSYNC. He's never even heard of this shit. I was literally like, they really do. You can be 22. You live in paradise. You're a cop that only pulls over rich guys that are drunk driving. That's the whole job here. And I was like, oh, wow, this really is. You're on your third can of ghost creatine. Literally. this guy had three empty white monsters in the fucking passenger side no question but i was blown away he was very nice he gave me a warning it was all good but i was like wow the cops out here really are that fucking young because it's it's so sleepy but it's so high net worth that you can just be hitting people with tickets all day long what are you gonna do about it i'm not gonna i'm not gonna you're not gonna spend the night in jail but i'm gonna hit you with the little yeah 396 dollar ticket exactly but i was just happy that i wasn't trying to you know red line the m5 i was doing i was just doing a classic turn that i thought was fine but he did let me know that crossing the double lines is illegal did you did you look did you see him at all when you were committing no i would not have i would have done it if i saw him um and i i luckily you know alex hadn't had any white wine any of these fucking farm stands so there was nothing smelled in the car it was all above board like what is that it's just gouda cheese tasting over at the bottom of the river bottom ranch cheese oh yeah we we were at amber waves and they had a new cheddar that i just they told me i had to try it you know i mean i'm sorry you can smell it on my breath officer i'm willing to blow in the in the cheese test basically just this place in stissing house is the only guys who can get it right now so like you gotta understand officer dude it was so funny though because i was like as soon as we as soon as we pulled off alex was like just gonna ruin the world tour it's that we both thought the exact same thing when we saw how young the young the cop was it was crazy it was really crazy okay well anyway shout out to you copper for just giving him a warning and chris will never do that again he promises i'll never do that again i was i was actually very worried about a little dewy because i was talking to adam phase and he was talking about park city he's been there for sundance of course of course and he was saying you know watch out for the the duis over there because the alcohol percentage that you got to blows much lower and then also the altitude makes you even more drunk so you know you can just have like one drink and still blow over and there's nothing else to do out there except you know drink and drive and and cops are just pulling people over so i was very nervous but nothing bad happened i had a couple smokies on my tail here and there but you know scot-free well i mean shout out to my radar detection i used to be so scared of cops because i always had something on me that was illegal.
58:11And now that I don't, I'm like, search me, bitch. I'm wearing sandals. What the fuck do you think you're going to find in here?
58:18Jason Stewart:Well, the secret is to drive with that mentality while you have drugs on you. Oh, I know, Jason. I know. But I'm aware of that. But unfortunately, this is as close as I'm going to get. So if you just let me live on the edge, please, I'd really appreciate it. I really appreciate it. That was like when you asked me if you could roll my spliff for me. Let me just roll it for you now. Can I just roll it? I'm getting a little look i'm getting a little this is probably not you're like oh man i'll suck your knee you were like would that be okay and i was like no would that be okay it wouldn't be okay or would it chris well i'm excited you're coming to the big apple it's gonna be it's gonna be great i think it's a good time to be a visitor i think the weather's gonna be hot but not unbelievable you know so the streets will be alive you can sit outside at ladiv you know for some tartare and a cold white i'm good how long are you staying i think sunday to thursday or friday oh that's a that's a stretch four days i think maybe four nights yeah it's a little a little bit of a stretch i know you'd like to come home a little earlier if you could but you know no no no i mean i i would like to be home i you know i love home but you know the nine orchard they make it so easy i love home yeah i actually nine orchard we shot i do we shot big cheetel at nine orchard it really i you just shot john cheetle i saw the photos today it looks great the boss thank you but he looks like uh it looked that room the second floor at nine orchard i didn't know that existed and then we got in there and i was like wow this is this is a really great room with the fireplace and shit like guys i've never stayed there i've never really you know i've eaten there and hung out there but i've never stayed in a room there i've been to the second floor so i was i was happy to discover it's a great room isn't it it's a great room i feel like i get a lot of emailing done there you know what i mean yeah all the coffee you could slurp yeah i was actually i just remembered right now on the plane back from from salt lake to burbank there's a group of kind of like annoying rich people and they're wearing like sparkly you know when like the the the woman of the family the the matriarch of the family is wearing like a a denim jacket that is like custom sparkly sequins kind of thing just to let people know that you're a little crazy and dazzling yeah i do i do so it was a group it was like her her husband and her gay and she was like oh we got here so early i don't i don't know what we're gonna do until we got to go to the bowl later and she uh they flew just to see rod stewart at the hollywood bowl which is that's awesome rich that's awesome rich person in your 65 but you know when you you know when you're around rich people when they when they refer to this is the blank house this is the yes yes yes so she was like can we maybe i can just take a nap at the burbank house until until the rod stewart show Doors are at 630.
1:01:03Jason Stewart:It's four right now. And he's like, I can get keys to the Burbank house. The Burbank house is... I want to be there. The Burbank house is a good name for your first solo album, I think. I think that's like your Harry's house. No, no. That's my guys only sort of like... Oh, this is your Dallas Cowboys, the White House, is what you're saying? Is what you're saying? I was thinking more of like a halfway house, you know, like my secret place kind of vibe. I get that. Just for wayward teens. I think that wayward teens do kind of belong in Burbank. That seems like a safe place for a wayward teen. You know, they used to say it was the palace.
1:01:40When palace first launched, it was the palace. It was the palace house for wayward boys is what it was. What their flop house was called where the skaters lived.
1:01:47Jason Stewart:Oh, right. That was their Baker mansion. Yeah, exactly. There's a precedent for this is what I'm trying to say. Okay. What do you think about people saying that Taylor Swift sitting courtside? now that she's sort of dressed in just like a t-shirt and jeans versus you know the toddlers and tiaras fit or you know the burlington coat factory ass fit that she's wearing people are like they're they're remembering that she could be hot they're finding her attractive they're like wait a minute hold on taylor's actually like low-key and eight i mean i think she's always been low-key and eight it's just like does that but we've forgotten about it because she's presented herself in such a way.
1:02:27I've never forgotten, but I'm just saying, I don't want to give that to her because it's, there's too much working against her personality wise.
1:02:34Jason Stewart:It makes sense to me because I agree with you. It's not like she's an ugly person, but I don't know if anyone talks about her being hot ever. They don't because that's not, I think she's done a good job at minimizing her. Like she has sort of classic good looks, you know? Do you think she intentionally minimized her being hot? What woman would do that only from the mind of taylor swift well i think that her whole game is being as relatable as possible same reason why she's not wearing like you know runway outfit you know she's not wearing scaparelli to perform because it's like i want to be relatable i want to wear coals i want to look like pretty but kind of plain because that that i can retain my girl next door she's got the chanel bag but it's only the two thousand dollar one yeah she doesn't have the big flap she didn't she didn't have the the french soccer team one she doesn't got the big dog the big boy she ain't got the yeah okay what's gayer a team full of professional athletes all carrying like sparkly birkins what team was that it was i think it was the french world cup yeah i think it was that's what's up how do you feel about that i mean because there's like in terms of like travel luggage there's the hierarchy there's the really extreme people who will send me dms every once in while about how like a real man can't have a suitcase you have to carry the duffel bag over the shoulders and okay david okay david coggins you can take your mask off okay you can take your mask off you're not fooling anybody yeah yeah i ran the ip address coggins come on if you have a if you have a perfectly patinaed filson over the shoulder i have to say when i was bringing i was traveling with david coggins we were fly fishing in primland in virginia i will say he he he walks it like he talks it he had two giant duffel bags with all of his gear in it they were patagonia they were very specific kind of patagonia bag that was very cool that he finds on ebay i want to give him his his just yeah i want to give him his credit because i will i will die i want my coffin to be a remova if possible um but i understand i see his side of things i mean i do too also you know coggins if you're really going to do it i feel like it has to be the the duffel bags have to be leather i don't think you can do a rip stop no i think i think for fishing no i think for fishing it makes sense for fishing okay fine i think for fishing it makes sense but i think normally there's also there's this amazing like this my friend of mine chris wallace who's like a travel writer photographer he posts his rig and he's got this beautiful gurka duffel bag which is this brand that's been around forever that makes these amazing duffel bags leather yeah A G-H-U-R-K-A.
1:05:04And then he pairs that with the Globetrotter roller, which is sort of like an amazing... I love Globetrotter too. Beautiful suitcase. It's sort of the only alternative to the Remova if you're interested in that kind of bag. And I like his... He's the only rig I'm jealous of. But he's also going to like Nairobi.
1:05:23Jason Stewart:Okay, the Globetrotter, that's the one where it kind of looks like a little steamer trunk with the leather straps on its side kind of thing. Exactly, exactly. Exactly. Beautiful suitcase. Beautiful suitcase. But what color would you just do all black with that? Because every time I see those in the airport, they look a little too like... Yeah, you could probably get it. I think you could do them custom. Victorian adorned kind of vibe. I think you can get them custom. I think you can put your initials on them. But the Gurkha leather duffel bag is the best sort of non-designer because it's a classic.
1:05:49It's just like a classic. It looks sick. It comes in black. It comes in brown. I don't know. It's as good as it gets. It's as good as it gets for that kind of product, I think.
1:05:58Jason Stewart:Okay. I'm looking up the Gurkha right now. i see it it's looking pretty nice they're not cheap they are not okay sorry so there that that is the one side of spectrum and then you work into like the man bag where like all these you know come versace and gucci and blah blah blah they all make you know travel-y duffel-y bags that are sort of unisex or even male leaning like the you know like a leather brown gurka or you know anything you have the the louis duffel which i think is pretty unisex at this point but then when you cross over into the purple Birkin or like the hot pink like Pharrell Louis purse like ASAP Rocky kind of thing what kind of fella can pull that off do you have to be an ace do you have to be like a rapper that wears a thong on stage in order to pull off the hot pink Louis I mean the problem is I really like that big Chanel bag I think it's really cool I'm obviously not going to pull it off but the big chanel flap that like the athlete has or rocky had there but it's i mean the only people that carry these bags are guys that are too rich do you know what i mean it's literally like i have a ten thousand dollar duffel bag which is for for most people i would say is unapproachable where a louis or a or a gurka is reasonable but then you get into the bottega and that jumps three four thousand dollars the guy who's buying a two thousand dollar t-shirt A guy, I'll never forget, someone sent me, there was a Birkin, a vintage men's Birkin for sale that had stamped initials CB on it.
1:07:31And I was like, my God, this is the only time I've ever wanted this because it feels like God's plan.
1:07:37Jason Stewart:So is the men's Birkin, it has like a little more softer features and the strap is a little more fold-over-y? I don't even know. I think it might just be bigger. like i think it just might be actually the the big because like pharrell carries it like it's big enough to use as like a carry-on bag for like but i think that the carry-on bag for men thing has gotten into there's some wild stuff out there you know what i mean like i think that it's it's it feels like an opportunity uh for men to sort of you know show off a little bit and i don't know if that's a good thing men shouldn't show off lil yachty does not need to show off any more than he already is i don't know man i just don't i'll answer the question i think i saw stefan diggs with a with a hot pink birkin i don't know why he pulls it off because he's got eight baby because he's got eight baby mamas and a fucking rolls truck that's why because it's like in the same way where like you know cameron could pull off pink but not really many other rappers can and it is a certain level of swag i i just yeah i think it's a i think it's a classic certain level of swag case like where i can't i don't want to give a blanket statement because there are people that they can do it it's just not me or you okay and what do you think about asap rocky's thong is that a real photo or do you think dj academics is up to no good in the chat gpt prompts i think both academics is up to no good and it's real that's what i think i think it's i think it i i think that asap rocky would wear a chanel thong i would not put that past him i also wouldn't put put it past DJ academics to manufacture that photo with one of his crack teams in India.
1:09:20Jason Stewart:Stir up some mess where it didn't need to happen. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's, I mean, I guess, you know, we want Rocky, if you want to wear a thong, go for it. And I think him wearing it at home, you know, when, when Riri's out at, at, at Giorgio Baldi with the, with the girls and he's just at home, he could put the thong on for a few hours cause he likes how it feels. but I think when you wear it on stage, jump up and down, and you expose your midriff and expose your bare ass, you're sort of telling the world, I want you to know that I'm, you know, I'm thongy. I disagree. I disagree. I mean, I think it's just a simple mishap, like Rocky, five seconds.
1:10:02Jason Stewart:You know, what do you mean? We don't have time to change out of your thong. Get out of here on stage. And he's like, oh shit, I forgot I'm wearing my thong. I think he knows that the thong is going to do more for us than his music. And I think that's part of the, it's a distraction from the lack of hits. That's why he's going to keep having anything he can do to not get us to talk about the music is the goal. So he's taking a page out of Tyler's book. Very nice. Exactly. Water. All right. How long gone? Thank you for listening. If you're a member of the Giggly Squad, you're dead to us. And I'm going to explore.
1:10:35Jason Stewart:I wrote down, the only note I wrote down was Rimova Coffin. Speaking of chat GPD prompts, I think this is something I'm not saying you're going to die soon but I think it's good to just get the ball rolling on this process. I agree, because the prices are only going up, you know what I mean? And I want the blue lining, I want the pre-LVMH lining if you could just tell Claude, it might be Blue lining, glad I am It might be, not because I'm a crip, but just because it's the original, you know what I mean? It's the original Well, a queen like you knows that'll make your eyes pop, huh? Exactly. Even when you're six feet.
1:11:07Jason Stewart:All right. Jesus, thank you for listening. We'll talk to you guys soon. Bye-bye.
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One-on-one pod today: Chris is in the Hamptons, and Jason is home in L.A. after a trip to Utah. We chat about Benson Boone in the lace mini, visits to Mormon mainstays Ballerina Farm and Swig, the Korean corn dog, the Knicks’ epic comeback, Adam Friedland heads to The Ringer, how we were supposed to have Paige DeSorbo on today’s episode but she canceled, Justin Trudeau’s son being a horny little Canadian R&B singer, Chris currently pushing a BMW X5 M, when rich people name their homes after the city they’re in, which men can pull off a woman’s handbag, and Rocky in the black Chanelly thong.
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