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25:24They're paying for Cena. They ain't paying for you. 100%. There's no meal plan.

25:27Jason Stewart:You're blown through diaper money. It's funny, Jason, because I'm nearing the end of this Jay McInerney book, See You on the Other Side. And he's such a wine guy, and he really inserts his knowledge into the book in a way that feels like you're learning something. You could tell when an author or writer is very interested in something in their personal lives. It doesn't feel like sometimes you're doing your research, but this feels very... obviously knowing that about him is one thing, but you feel it when you're reading it. Matt, are you able to, what are your interests that you can shoehorn into something?

26:04You know what I mean? Do you have anything that you've been able to work in?

26:06Jason Stewart:Well, first, really quick, I want to know, I think Chris was, sorry to interrupt, Matt, I think Chris was sort of dropping a little bait that maybe he wants us to test his wine knowledge. I think he's picked up. No, no. I said white burgundy, and he's like, actually. No, because I was literally, I read right before I was reading. Because when I read Kitchen Confidential, I was like, damn, this Bordinga knows about food. He keeps going long on oysters. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, what could you shoehorn? You can't shoehorn Blu-ray into a movie. That's already a movie. So what are we doing? No, I see myself as kind of a failed musician.

26:40Honestly, he became a filmmaker. I love music growing up.

26:45Jason Stewart:I see both of you guys as failed musicians as well. Cycle completed. I had you know I had the guitar I did the lessons I used to play piano and all that stuff and I just was like I just wasn't naturally gifted at it so I you know I gave up you know because it's you sort of hit this point where you're like I think in life where you're like if I'm not you go to the path of least resistance a little bit right you're like I love movies I actually feel like I have like a little bit of a knack for doing this and I'm gonna go down this path instead of like fighting the uphill battle of trying to be a musician where it just feels like it's not clicking and I could pour, you know, my 10 ,000 hours into this and it's just never going to happen, you know?

27:30And so I think what's great about film is that like, you know, you can combine a lot of different interests in one thing. So, you know, the soundtrack, music, that's a lot. I write to music a lot. I do a playlist for sort of every project, a sort of running Spotify playlist. and um you know really just it's that sort of my inspiration i would say more more than anything

27:53Jason Stewart:do you get to do the thing where you have a little soundtrack budget and then you get to kind of hit up whoever you're built to spill is and say hey we got 7 500 for you for this this flick and then you can be you know i fucking changed your life bro we did the last yeah well sometimes the the musicians say no that you have to show them the movie and then they're like some sometimes or oftentimes all right who told you who told you no straight up though let's get uh sometimes i would say most people are happy to have the the money any income coming in whatsoever there's i'm blanking on their name they're these two brothers who's they they put on an album it was like came out years later on light in the attic chris maybe you know about it it's like the cover is like blue and it's got these two guys are in like white jumpsuits and they're back to back playing guitar and they're brothers do you know this album that i'm talking about no look this up they had a song called baby that i think went really yeah donnie and joe emerson actually donnie and joe emerson that's it i love that they didn't i love they didn't pretend to come up with a band name they're just like you know what we're not we're not even gonna go emerson brothers we're gonna go donnie and joe rolls off the tongue no i think casey affleck played one of them in a movie they made a movie about this out making this album what yeah is this like an is this like an old thing that light the attic like reissued or is this it was like an old kind of a lost forgotten album that they put out, and it kind of caught fire.

29:16Jason Stewart:From the 70s, their late 70s work, largely unknown until it was rediscovered by a new generation of fans in the 21st century. So we wanted to use one of their songs in Ingrid Goes West, and we got denied because there was drinking in the scene. People were using alcohol, and they did not want... We all know how Donnie feels about that. They did not want their music. Let me tell you something. As somebody who's been sober for 10 years, If you send me a scene of somebody doing coke, that's what I want. That's the best thing that can happen to me. A tear of joy. Yeah, that's the ultimate. Finally, someone gets it.

29:53I'm sorry, guys. I don't know if they're still in the shot, but that's loser behavior, I have to say. You can't. I mean. Look, we were disappointed. It was a great song. I don't remember which. I have to look up which song it was. But yeah, they denied us. But yeah, I think that's the. Fuck you, Donnie. Usually, a lot of times, you get denied because they ask for too much money. and sometimes you just can't you're like we can't swing it but with like ingrid goes west they know there's only i mean you know if you have a brain you realize there's only so much money for something like this totally you know what i mean yeah we're literally going to be like can you give us this for free and then they say no you know we we want 5k and then you're like all right you know um we can't we can make it work but ingrid actually was interesting because we did i mean i was like so crazy about the soundtrack for that movie and it was a super indie movie and we went to sundance And we did what you're not supposed to do, which is we did festival rights for the song.

30:44So when you do festival rights, it's basically saying you pay a little bit. You could use it for this one time. Yes, in this context. But you can't release the movie with this. You have to pay us more money if you want to actually release the movie.

30:56Jason Stewart:Once we get picked up by A24. Yeah, exactly. We're just banking on somebody. And I think the music budget ended up being like a quarter of a million dollars or something. So it was like, I remember the face of... distributor, when we told them the amount that they would have to pay for the music, and it was a moment of them being like, how bad do we want this movie? Have you checked out AI? You have some great solutions over there. Ingrid Goes West, though, I will say, I feel like the subject matter was very ahead of its time. I feel like it was really that sort of thing has become... Who even goes west nowadays, right?

31:36Exactly. It's mostly east. It's mostly East. But I think I really do think like influencer culture and that obsession, like I think it was peaking in some ways. But now that is like that concept is such a I don't know. My mom would get it now. You know, whereas 2017, maybe not. Well, that's, I mean, we were, even when we were writing it, we were like, there was kind of this urgency of like making the movie because we're like, is this going to be a flash in the pan kind of thing that in two years nobody's going to care about or, you know, or not? And so we didn't really know. So there was this urgency of like, we got to make this movie.

32:10We got to make this movie now. And it's really gratifying that like 10 years later, people are still like, you know, still discovering it. So it's had a life beyond the initial splash zone. Totally. I mean, if anything gets grown, you know, we were like, you know, we came out the same time as like Good Time, like the same weekend, you know, and it was like. That's tough. Yeah. We actually did about the same amount of money, but it was sort of like, it felt like that movie made the bigger splash at the time. and then but over time i think it was sort of like a snowball rolling down the hill that like it was like up to a year two years later people were still finding it as aubrey kind of got more famous and lizzie and everybody in that movie kind of popped off o'shea jackson o'shea yeah he's grown so much the best he was he was bubbling he was but he was bubbling 2017 o'shea only the real heads knew that was yeah that was real heads only los angeles residents only knew new o'shea

33:05Jason Stewart:from the clubs okay well that's cool i mean what it's so it's almost like we got a rush to put this film out that's about influencer culture it's happening right now and then 10 years later maybe almost a little too early a little too ahead of the curve because this is there's no end in sight for the influencer culture i mean all we have is influencer culture now it feels i mean we change it to creative creator culture right dude i swear to god even even more the The word creator has taken on a new... Thanks to our friends at CanLion, Jason. It's really... Well, what's worse? Creator or founder?

33:41Jason Stewart:What's worse? What gets your goat a little bit more? Well, founder is more definitive, I would say. Like, creator is too wide open. Like, literally, creator gets applied to anything and anyone. Whereas founder, there's sort of some guardrails on that, I feel like. Founder means that you created something and built a website for it. You got the domain. Exactly. whereas a little more creator means i take pictures of myself or i take pictures of other people or i make movies or i make it's just it doesn't it doesn't really it doesn't harness much i would say i agree the word has sort of lost all meaning at this point it's it's like what is that what is a creative even these days well i think you could be called a creator and you'd be like no bitch i'm a director like put some respect on my fucking name but but let's narrow it but for an influencer they'd rather be called a creator do you see what i'm saying like that's the problem For some people, it's positive.

34:32For some people, it's negative. And I think that's the issue with the word. I think you're right about that. Don't call me a fucking creator. I'll call Jason a creator now to get under his skin, but I don't think it bothers him that much. Doesn't bother me at all. Creator creates.

34:44Jason Stewart:If that's a crime, lock me up. Okay, let's talk. Thank you for blessing my Netflix inbox with an early viewing feature so I could watch your film with my email address stamped across it. I want to give a quick shout out to Netflix, and this is completely earnest. They're the only people that make it easy to watch something before it is out. And I want to give them, I don't care who they're, I don't care which evil AI guys they're partnering with. That shit doesn't bother me. The fact that I can turn on my TV like a regular fucking person and click watch on this thing versus having to log into a third party website and not be able to maximize the window is, that puts you far and ahead of everyone else.

35:28Isn't it cool? Well, yeah, I was kind of impressed. I was like, when, but it kind of scares me because I'm like, now they must see everything. They can see everything you've watched on there. They know everything about you from your viewing habits. They already knew that shit anyway. Take my habits. I don't give a shit. Yeah, we're way past that. Yeah, I've watched every episode of Selling Sunset three times. Fuck you want. I don't give a shit.

35:48Jason Stewart:Hulu has all my fucking data too, but they don't make it easy to watch a screener. That's true. It's honestly fascinating because we talk about this in the music business all the time because it's the same thing. It's like a splintered system. and we always joke like why doesn't apple or spotify just make this their thing right and do it exactly like netflix does a creator corner exactly give us a creator corner and let us rock man yeah we have spotify for podcasters instead of having to go to like a dropbox or something yeah i wish it was dropbox it's fucking fuck no bro it's like it's like 1999 geo cities looking shit like well the real the real issue is download a new app and log in system yeah what i was going to say is the real issue is that you can't really easily listen to things on your phone which i think is where most people especially if it's a new record you really like that's where you want you know you want to like take it with you yeah put it out on vinyl or or put it on when you're watching youtube when you're watching youtube and you click into another window or just like i i can't like i have to get youtube premium to like listen to something and with my phone in my pocket i'm like i don't want the video to be playing like while my phone's in my pocket makes no sense yeah And more people listen to music on YouTube than every streaming platform combined times.

36:58Jason Stewart:What do you think, Matt? What do you think your monthly... It's still the worst. If we stuck you in rocket money, how bad do you think your subs are looking right now with all this content? What's worse, your fucking Amazon.com cart prices with all these Blu-rays or all the streaming? What's worse? What's taking money out of your child's mouth? Are there like Criterion channels that we don't even know about? There's boutique Blu-ray labels that would blow your mind that you've never heard of. That's how steep this sickness has gotten where I'm like on UK. Give one of these a shout out. Give one of these a shout out for the real heads.

37:35What's your favorite Blu-ray distributor?

37:37Jason Stewart:What's the stone's throw of Blu-ray? Radiance. There's this company called Radiance out of the UK that's like boutique Criterion. Criterion's become like the behemoth of, I would say. Oh, you're saying Criterion's for bitches. is anybody can get that the radiance is the real shit no i'm not look i was just in the criterion closet while i was in new york i'm not going to talk that's the first closet you've been in too i'm sure um come on is that okay okay sorry too easy so that's why we asked because we i figured the criterion is just the tip of the iceberg and then it goes down into radiance films yeah they're just the one that i think most people have heard of and then but there's a lot of other ones there's arrow video there's uh there's vinegar syndrome that's like one of the that's like the sort of like punk rock horror vinegar vinegar syndrome feels like something that would come out of light in the attic so that does track with your okay cult film preservation okay let me ask you a question are these so these companies are are they finding obscure films licensing the rights and then distributing them on blu-ray exclusively is that the business yeah pretty much i mean sometimes they're and they're digging up like especially like places like vinegar Syndrome and Radiance are finding shit that's been in a, you know, warehouse for 40 years that's never gotten a home video release, right?

38:56That's maybe only someone, you know, screened it, you know, in the late 60s and then never watched it again. So, it's like they're kind of unearthing these, like, old classics, I would say, or in, like, Vinegar Syndrome's case, like, kind of schlocky horror movies from, like, the 80s that, like, you know, were shot on VHS or something. you know there's stuff that like real heads are going to be into and then giving them this like lavish uh beautiful restoration and like oh i see i see okay so it'll be like the worst film

39:26Jason Stewart:like a like a taiwanese zombie film but then the the it has like a t-shirt that was made by braindead and there's a keychain and an arcteryx collab for it and all that totally i mean there's a tweet that i want to that i want to i'm gonna butcher it but it's basically like you know people being like like a director's like this is my worst movie i wouldn't show it to my you know my my greatest enemy of all time and it's like now coming from vinegar syndrome in like a 69.99 box set you know it's like they just take like you know it's some of it does not necessarily deserve uh the treatment that the criterion treatment you know but i think right that's the like i own sliver for instance on 4k blu-ray you know a sharon stone don't speak ill of sliver let me ask you a question let me ask you a question as a person who's never as a person who's never owned who's never owned a blu-ray in his life um and jason you probably haven't owned a blu-ray in your life either i have i have owned blu-rays yes i have okay i i didn't mean to speak out of turn when i'm paying that criterion upcharge what am i getting the packaging is the same you're it's the it's on the the blu-ray is the gift there's no extra stuff in the actual packaging right sometimes there's it depends kind of on the release some of them are more bare bones some of them have like essays and they always do like a really nice like they'll interview people like the director or people connected with the film some of them even have like uh like the director's like early work like shorts and stuff or like obscure documentaries and things so there's like it really is kind of You put all your old Old Spice commercials on there in a little subcategory.

41:07Jason Stewart:There's a poster to put up in your goon cave. Exactly. Dude, that'd be really cool. That'd be really cool if people included their commercials that nobody knew about. That's actually smart and funny. Well, do you remember those? There was like those, they called it like the director series. There were these DVDs back in the day. Of course, of course. Those were like the coolest things ever. Chris Cunningham. It was like Michelle Gondry. Spike Jonze. It was Michelle Gondry, Chris Cunningham, Spike Jonze. And there's probably like two, because you would get a box. it was like four or was it maybe it was more than four maybe it was six or eight i think they did six yeah jonathan glazer they've had sort of a cut those have had sort of a comeback those i think that the younger generation has discovered that that series a little bit i bet they're more expensive on ebay than they used to be i guess is what i'm saying for sure for sure but those were like i would i think they should do that more i think there's way more directors out there that you could do that for for sure yeah definitely like fincher you know like dig up all fincher's old commercials and stuff would be cool fucking fincha yeah i'm sure well i think i think there's a lot of collectability going on like where people will buy 11 different versions of a taylor swift record not because they need it but because you have to catch them all is do you experience a little bit of that with the blu-rays like just the pure collectability of it and the competition with other i definitely feel like yeah there's definitely it can it can become a little bit of I think having a kid on the way has helped with that a little bit.

42:32I'm like, how badly do I need this$600 Kubrick, you know, 4K box set that's coming out? Like, you start to weigh those things a little bit. But yeah, I mean, I just think it's, I do think it's cool. It seems like the younger generation is like more into physical media. It like skipped a generation or two. And now it's coming back. You know, like people want to own this stuff and they're kind of over streaming and, you They want to hold it in their hand in a way that's cool.

43:02Jason Stewart:Maybe just stick to the films in the languages that you can speak. It's a good place. We don't need Wings of Desire, Japanese edition, just at the moment. Well, Matt, look, we all have the things that we spend too much money on. Do you have a self-imposed price limit? Because this is something that I have with t-shirts. And then, unfortunately, that scale does slide depending on the item. Sure. Yeah.

43:29I don't want to get you to trouble with your wife or anything

43:32Jason Stewart:but let's see she might listen to this my number is written in cement but the cement is not dry I used to Matt it used to be 200 then it was 250 then it was 300 now it's like inflation now we're touching 500 and it's a little psychotic you know alright this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Revolve I don't know if you've been paying attention Jason but guys really be caring about how they dress and how they look luckily revolve man is on the internet super easy and it's stocked with some of our favorite brands like like ralph lauren and something maybe you like fear of god essentials as well as our friends palms of course and it's not fast fashion it's not stuffy it's a sweet spot between looking intentional and not looking like you tried too hard good luck uh new arrivals drop twice a week with free two-day shipping and next day options plus returns are actually easy.

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46:28Jason Stewart:You don't have to say yes to everything this summer. Find support in therapy. Sign up and get 10 % off at betterhelp.com slash howlong. That is better, H-E-L-P.com slash howlong. She did actually, there was, I think it was, I don't think it was last year, it was maybe two years ago. She said, you know, I want you to just add up what you've spent on this, this year. Hell no. And I was, I was, I was sweating a little bit as I was doing it. Cause I just seeing that number climb. I think it was, I think it was seven grand or eight grand or something. It was, it was like. Oh, that's not that. That's not.

47:04Do you have any other hobbies? I read, you know, I listen to music. I'm talking about hobbies that cost money. Like things you could spend money, like, like fellows, golf trips. Like how bad could it get for you? A hockey player? Yeah. Like what else we got? Iguanas. Reptile guy. I buy clothes too, by the way, Chris. So you're buying clothes. Yeah. I buy clothes. I read Blackbird spy plane. You know, I do the whole, I know, I know what Laura Lee is. All right. So you're wearing some, you're wearing some mantle and Evan, we can't see the Evan Canory brown slacks below the window here.

47:39Jason Stewart:What color are your socks, Matt? What color are socks? I'm just wearing the white Nikes right now. I'm not, the socks aren't fancy right now. I see what you mean. So you, you, it feels like you spread it relatively evenly, but there's a slight, the bucket for this stuff's a little bit, a little bit larger. This is the, I mean, I'm fully the like, find something you love and let it kill you kind of vibe of like, I just love movies. I love film. I'm, and so like, that is kind of my hobby. My hobby became my job, you know? So now I'm like, I probably should have another hobby, but it's just this.

48:12I love doing it. I love watching movies. No, I think this is refreshing, actually. I think people have two. I don't have any hobbies either. I mean, Jason, you don't really have any hobbies.

48:21Jason Stewart:As long as you're not fat, it seems to work out all right. We don't have to scrub under your arms when you're sitting on the couch watching Toy Story 5. Yeah, I mean, I don't really have any hobbies either. My hobbies is just my life. I just do what I want. Being me is a hobby. This motherfucker. My whole life is a fucking hobby, bro. Catch up. I mean, I think that, Jason, you're pretty handy, though. I know that's not a hobby, but that's like a virtue that I think of. Yeah, you love cooking. When I think of you. I'm cooking. I'm fixing. I'm doing. I'm cleaning. I'm reorganizing a garage. You know, shit like that.

48:58Jason Stewart:Matt, are you a wife guy? Power spraying? Are you a wife guy or are you able to operate on your own? Jason's not. I'm a wife guy. We're pretty independent, though. I mean, she's like all last year, she was in Chicago shooting the bear and doing and her other show that she does there. And I was in New York living at the Bowery Hotel, like fucking working on this movie. Hell yeah. Matt said nuts out, baby. Shit, you were living. Okay, hold the fuck on. Hold the fuck on. She's in a two bedroom in Chicago dead of winter and your ass is ordering another Pomodoro from the Bowery room service. Look, it wasn't.

49:34She's the one. Let's do this again. Hold on, bro. She's the on-camera. You're behind it. This is fucked up.

49:39Jason Stewart:Mad City did commercials, all right? That's all we need to do. When she told me that the pregnancy test was positive, she was like, you better get your ass over here. She's like, you're... Basically, every weekend, I was flying to Chicago for that whole time. That'll take the wind out of a brother's sails right there. It's like, every, babe, Friday through Sunday, every week? You know that New York is awesome, right? Not every weekend, but almost every weekend. No, no. Of course, that's right. What is now, this being her place of business, what is your relationship to Chicago? Because I found myself coming around on it over the years.

50:18I would hope the same for you. Look, I loved it. I mean, the winters are tough. Like, as advertised, they are brutal and cold. and walking your dog in negative 20 degree wind chill weather, there's no coat and hat that can protect you from that. It just seeps into your bones. Yeah, you're right, it's serious. But the city's cool. There's a lot of great restaurants. We met great people. And anytime we would party with the Bear guys, they just own that city in a way that is crazy. They can walk into anywhere and get a table. And it's like, so I'm like, she, my wife is kind of like a Chicago Liberty and that like, she can, she knows all the restaurateurs now and like could get a table anywhere just beat by.

51:05Chicago Liberty? Is that a word that existed before five seconds ago? I wish I could have coined that, but that's. That feels like Maddie Matheson. No, that flows off the tongue. That honestly flows.

51:18Jason Stewart:It was like Rapa Twister came up with something like that. That flows really nicely, actually. That does flow really nicely. Chicago, I like the food too. is just all fat boy. I mean, I know you can go outside of those bounds, of course, but in, I would say, most options, you know what I mean? That's kind of what it's leaning towards there. It's a waning stereotype, but it's still there. You need the extra meat on the bone to survive the winter, though, is the thing. There's a very practical reason for that, I think. That's true, shit. That's just seeped into the culture. They're like if Vikings got fat in Chicago.

51:55no but that i mean that is a good point i mean like it's the same thing with montreal like the food is heavy as fuck and it's the same the weather is the same it's the similar situation

52:02Jason Stewart:as far as weather guys yeah we have to drink mugs of goose fat just to stay alive have you ever been there in the summer though yeah it's we went three times in one month last summer actually for different stuff and it was beautiful the weather was great the weather's great and people are like tasty waves people are really fit there actually like people jog around the river or at around the lake and they're like laying on the hot concrete like on their lunch but you'll see guys like take off their suits and just like lay on the on the burning hot concrete like by the concrete beaches of chicago are they've had a moment they've had a moment lately on twitter where people like are y 'all for real and they're like yeah bitch we're for real this is what we got like what the fuck do you want i mean every summer there's the great chicago beach meme and And it's just, you know, Chicago MF be like, quote unquote, beach day.

52:49Jason Stewart:And it's like two people playing in like a storm drain. Totally. That's the thing. You see it on Instagram and then you go see it in real life. And you're like, oh, this is real. This isn't just like a stupid meme. I mean, it's cool. I love to walk along that path. You know, have a little edible, put a little iced coffee in the hand. And you're just cruising down and you're like, I guess this is a beach day in the same way that I guess you're being productive in jail or something like that. You know what I mean? You get your burpees in and reading the Quran. How did you get so fit? Oh, I was in jail.

53:21I was actually in jail. That's why I'm a religious studies expert because I was in jail. I've read them all.

53:28Jason Stewart:Going back to collectible merch and t-shirts, I noticed in Netflix's Little Brother 2026, there was a scene where John Cena, he is a giant man, and he's wearing a vintage Dave Matthews band tee that looked like something that would cost around$170 to$300. It fit him in a way that I've never seen a vintage tee fit somebody. You know, it's usually on somebody like Chris and I, you know, where it's a regular guy or somebody spindly or maybe a little sweaty and fat, a little Dijon stain on the shirt. But you got fucking jacked ass him. The neck is holding on for dear life. And it was a juxtaposition I've never seen before.

54:09Jason Stewart:Are you a Dave Matthews head? i i certainly was back in the day but i think i'm so glad that you picked up on that because there were so many conversations about like we had to get that shirt cleared much similarly to a you know song we had to get the approval of the band and the logo whoever you know bravado owns it it's not a clear it's not like a nine inch nails logo like a huge n-i-n across the white t it's no you have to really is that a dave man because they don't they probably don't own the rights it's it was bravado or someone owns like the merch right it's i'm sure that was a lot of emails about that t-shirt but yeah and we had backups just in case but they none of them were as good and um but yeah no i think we were like wanted to the heart i think the thing is because john's so huge like you have to humanize his character a little bit and make him you know like a regular guy in a way so we were coming up with ways to try to humanize him yeah we were like look he's a guy he loves dave matthew's band like that's just that's his vibe that's rudd's vibe he's Just a 300-pound, 0 % body fat, 100-millionaire in Manhattan who loves Dave Matthews, man.

55:16Hey, look, to be honest, I would say that that is historically, if we go back to high school, those were the kind of guys that liked Dave Matthews. True. You know what I mean? Maybe they didn't have the TRT that Cena's got access to, but I'm saying that that kind of bro jock guy was actually the fan of Dave Matthews.

55:35Jason Stewart:A solid guy at his core. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's like... You know, you can trust him, take your drunk friend home. No funny business. Exactly. I'm glad you were able to get that. Because I feel like with all this clearance stuff and getting things over the line in general, like you were saying earlier, it feels like sometimes you just have to put your sword down and say, this battle I'm not going to win. I feel like you have to do that several times for every movie. No, there's plenty of them. But I do think that those little details, like even just using the actual Instagram UI for Ingrid was like so important to me that it wasn't this like yeah yeah you know like i hate when i'm watching a show and they're like pulling up their like fake instagram on their phone you're watching emily in paris and it's like bloop yeah don't do that sound anymore or when the graphics go on the screen i hate that too it's like i'm like so that was a real moment that was a real moment when people were doing that a lot that one native american long-haired guy who always plays the weird stoner best friend he's always texting like oh well what with an emoji that doesn't exist in real life and that's bullshit yeah like that emoji was made for the scene it's all fucked up i got you well was it hard to clear the instagram ui for that or was it still early days enough uh we just didn't we just didn't do it um and we we had we actually hired the lawyer who currently in a legal battle with them right now well honestly like i was like let them sue us like this would be the best press for this movie we get sued by you know ingrid goes to court zuckerberg we got another we got the spinoff right now let's see if everybody's available because because we got the spinoff coming ingrid goes to court well so a couple notes from watching the film last night i felt that you know everyone is talking about how you know the the problem with society in the world and films is we don't have like those blockbuster comedy films anymore it's all you know it's all superhero stuff or like weird indie dramas and there's no just like straight ahead like Tommy Boy or Anchorman or any shit like that and I feel like you know obviously all that's been moved to streaming which is a great home for it for now until it goes back up again but you really walk the line between that kind of Farley movie kind of sticky slapstick kind of stuff but then you know reined in with like a modern modern touch where you're still taking it seriously I think it's like a good sort of because we can't just duplicate whatever that was back in the day yeah a lot of the jokes are just like holy shit that was bad but then you know there's magic but i feel like you did a good job of you know making a contemporary version of that kind of slapsticky stuff because it's people are they have their their senses up when it gets like kind of cringy like that and some people don't want to see eric andre rolling down the stairs for the eighth time for like a pratfall gag, but then when it works, it really works.

58:32That's the thing. I mean, it's hard. Comedy is really hard. I think I heard Seth Rogen say on a podcast that comedy is kind of embarrassing. I know. I know Chris loves hearing how much he loves weed. I'm just surprised he talked about something besides weed on a podcast. So I'm happy to hear this, actually. This is illuminating for me. Well, let him finish the story. We don't know. he works a bubbler into it it could come back um no he said like you because you're announcing that i'm gonna try and make you laugh and there's something that's embarrassing and kind of earnest about that you know what i mean when you're doing comedy and i think that's what's kind of scary about it the tightrope walk of like you said like you're like is this gonna work and um honestly i was like until the premiere because we hadn't screened it for like a that big of an audience the finished finished movie we had tested it and whatnot but like uh until last thursday and so we were literally sitting in the room and you're like is this gonna work you know you just really don't know and then you're sitting there you're just hoping and so it's kind of that like excitement of like when you hear get that first big laugh and you're like you know you can kind of breathe a sigh of relief and then like you're kind of watching them react to all those things in the movie and the way that you intended and i mean i don't think there's a better feeling in the world so it's it's kind of like you're doing the like babe ruth thing like pointing to the you know like i'm gonna hit a home run but then sometimes you don't and hit a home run and

1:00:04Jason Stewart:it's embarrassing it's like going up to a group of women and be like i'm about to try to fuck one of you right now anyways what's up i'm jason and they're like oh no no no bueno no bueno well i So you were saying you were testing this sort of like up until a week ago? No, no. Like through the editing process, you do like testing various versions of it. So you throw it like Netflix will throw it up on their like they have a platform. Hey, Jason. Hey, Jason. Netflix is a data company first. You know what I mean? They're not going to just... We're testing thumbnails. I don't know how many thumbs you got.

1:00:37Jason Stewart:They're not going to let Matt just throw whatever out there. I guess I'm asking because I had the pleasure of seeing the Anthony Bourdain biopic yesterday at an early screening. Oh, how was it? Thanks to our friends at A24. I don't know. I don't think I could say anything about it. But I will say... No, you can't speak on it. It is a positive. It is a win. But somebody was saying like, oh, I saw an earlier version of it. And it was like kind of a different storyline. And the version that we saw yesterday was different than that. and you know how many times or like how many different movies did you make for this movie or do you have to make for these where you're like this is the one where it's like a little bit more guy boy gets girl this is like the you know friendship between a mentor and the son and this one's more about you know ice dancing or whatever it is totally i mean it's it's so funny because you read online when like these people are like oh i heard this movie did reshoots must be a troubled production you know and you're like i don't know a director in the world that wouldn't kill for to get a second you know crack at the movie if they could you know and like there's some shit that you do that you're like it just doesn't work when you put it on its feet you're just like oh this you know this didn't work can't believe we spent three days well we tried yeah we gave it our best shot but um and then the audience always tells you you always you know know right away if it's working because people you know they'll just tune out they'll just like especially on the netflix thing you see the drop-offs that's like what they measure is like when people just turn it off for the retinal scans or for when they turn it off oh we're not supposed to talk about those yet don't worry i just turned off i turned off a netflix movie just the other night not yours uh i turned off the one with zoe deutsch that was unbelievable the isabel voicemail shit oh i never heard of it and i gotta i made it through the j-lo and i'm just saying there's a right now if right now it feels like netflix is really smartly kind of going like fun down the middle it's it's it feels like there's three or four things on the home page right now that are not dissimilar from what you made well they're they're filling this hole that the that the uh studios have stopped doing right like the studios kind of are like we'll do uh obsession which is like an a sub 10 million dollar horror movie or we'll do these big ip driven things that cost 150 million dollars you know but there were you know when we i was growing up in the you know the 90s like there were every weekend there was stuff like office romance or little brother out in theaters and you know for you to choose from there'd be four or five movies out that you're like oh do we want to see a rom-com we want to see a comedy we want to see a you know a thriller what do we want you know and i think it's just there's honestly fewer movies being made and a lot of like those mid-budget as they're called movies went to streaming i think netflix just sort of saw the hole in the market was like we're gonna we're gonna make that they saw the hole we got 17 million for you we got to give j-lo 60 million to have a rom-com with a gay guy this thing's gonna go fucking this thing's gonna go fucking crazy but do you think that because because there's fewer and fewer of these types of films being made we have do you think like not shooting itself in the foot but like where you have to cram in a little bit of too much of everything into each one like like if caddyshack had to also have like a black friend and a gay friend and uh this and you know there's a guy in a wheelchair and now we're dealing with this you know like do you do you think it's better or worse that we sort of have to every film has to check all those boxes i know it's a little bit of a treacherous cue No, no.

1:04:18I mean, I'll just say from my experience, like they didn't, we didn't get, like I heard all the stories and I was a little nervous about doing a movie with them where I was like, okay, I've heard that. Are they going to make me say the, the name of the movie three times within the first minute or, you know, I don't have any explosions in my film.

1:04:36Jason Stewart:I don't know how we're going to make what happened in the first 80 seconds. But I think, you know, honestly, in my experience, they have so many things that they're working on. I think that they just want stuff that works and that is good, you know? And I think that they're, you know, honestly, a lot of the stuff, yeah, they were concerned about, like, how long do we see, hold on, like, the shot of Eric's dick with the catheter in it. You know, like, stuff like that where they're like, because we still have to get that. Fair concern, I would say. Not to be the T's and C's. I would have liked another beat to a second on it.

1:05:07Jason Stewart:You could have gone a beat longer. It happened so fast. Jason said, check my letterbox. I went deep on this, actually. The elasticity, I don't know if I was buying it, but it did work. Well, I guess that question sort of reminds me of when I was watching the film last night. There's the two kind of TV execs, friend of the show, Caleb Heron and Ego Nwodum from SNL. they're sort of like the the gay gen z millennial like i don't know what comic relief where they they're the people that say yes queen and and all that stuff do you think you know as our diversity and um equality continues to grow over the years we're going to get a straight person to play one of these roles one of these yes queeners is that is that outside of the realm of possibility this This is Jason's way of asking nicely if Chris could be in your next film because he's the straight guy you've been looking for that could play believably gay.

1:06:07Jason Stewart:Like if Lloyd from Entourage was a straight person, you know what I mean? I think the pendulum swung back. I think straight guys can play gay guys now again. I think we were... Do you have any examples of that Blu-ray? I'm waiting. Tom Holland could definitely do it. I don't know if they're asking him. He said straight guys. Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad. Look, we don't know the orientation of the heated rivalry guys. We don't ask, don't tell. There's a lot of industry speculation. I know that all I can say is they dress like shit. I don't know what's in their mouth. Now we got straight guys playing hockey players.

1:06:45Jason Stewart:There it goes. Now I've heard everything. I think the season two of that show is going to be one of the most spectacular fall-offs and ratings that maybe we've ever seen in the history of film and television. I really do. I just think that some things are just sort of lightning in a bottle and any way of replicating or trying to continue is just a fool's errand. Now that they're actual rivals in real life, maybe things will be heated. Who knows? You think it's like a tiger king. I really do. We talked about this a lot on the show, but it is like I think sometimes when something does well, everybody's going back to the teat to get more milk and it's like dude that might have just been a one and done thing we should count our blessings and make something else i just don't know what you can do i mean i didn't watch that i don't know if there's like a lot of story to expand upon but it just doesn't seem like that level of like i haven't seen someone get that famous that quickly in years maybe ever we're gonna need another pandemic we're working on it with the fire downtown but you know boil it's gonna take a pandemic to have another tiger king like like thing happen i just all right so now that this movie is out in the it's out now right or is it out this week it's out a couple days friday yeah let me ask you let me ask you a question that always fascinates me all right from the inception of this when you got the call about this till till friday what is the timeline like how long did it take really fast honestly for movie i got the script in december of 2024 oh yeah i got the job you know in march of 2025 and i was prepping the movie in may of 2025 we shot last summer and now it's out like that's crazy that's a crazy quick turnaround yeah that's really fast that's really really fast and i think a lot of that is because of netflix they could just they can just put something out you know like that once you deliver them the movie they're just like they got to upload it to the server it's like you know and the marketing that netflix has to do is put the film on their front page and you know that's that's the greatest thing they could do they did spend a lot of time talking about that strategy um but we did get some billboards i think there's more so than billboards yeah we i mean they their strategy is with the billboards was i was i suspected this but they kind of confirmed it you know they love to do the billboard by the house of the person who like made the film so like there's there's a billboard right near my house and i'm like i think i'm on to you guys i don't know if like this normandy and hollywood billboard is is this the best uh you're like bro you could have just little armenia is gonna love i could have given you could give me an extra 100 grand we could have called this even guys i don't i don't really care i don't need to see this every day you know what i mean i thought it i mean i thought it was kind of cool but i was like i was like yeah i see the i see the strategy here but they're like in lieu of money we've we spent six grand for this billboard by our house you're gonna you're welcome um well i i guess uh i had another another question yeah you know in in the in the film we're we're taking in eric andre who's a troubled little brother into the house and the the wife has a little bit of a backstory of rescuing animals you know the handicapped wiener dog with the stroller i don't know if we can talk about this or not if it's embargoed spoiler alert but um and so like she had that nature of like we need to you know bring this troubled creature into the home and take care of it do you feel like we all have that one friend who's like at the kill shelter a little much i feel like when i was watching that scene i was like everyone who's watching this has that friend in the back of their head who's like be at the kill shelter a little too much no it's my yeah i have i have one of our closest friends is uh rachel she's always got the she's always at the shelter this dog is about to be put down within three hours like somebody please help this did you tell rachel ahead of time it has one eye and like you know did you tell rachel like hey just let you know like when you write about somebody in your in your memoir do you give them a little heads up like hey there's gonna be a little bit of the show where you might come to mind you know as a warning or she'd be flattered you know i think i think we need people like those like the bleeding heart people who actually care because so much of us are just like you know i'm like oh it's a cute dog and then swiping left you know i'm like it's it's i can't left means kill no

1:11:22you can't on my shelter dating app i swipe left i don't know i don't know about you guys but i kind of keep it moving win it that's that is such a california that whole i mean it exists in new york obviously but that culture is such a so california to me like that like new yorkers don't have the time to rescue i think new yorkers have a problem with dogs right now do you not agree chris like after being there for a year i was like i feel like everybody's got a dog in new york and there's dog shit everywhere in a way that la was like matt i've been matt i've been on the front line of this fight for a decade.

1:11:58I don't understand it. Unfortunately, I've been getting a lot of cute dogs on my reels lately. And now I'm noticing like, I see all these cute dogs. Why don't I see them when I only see little mutts? Like, what the fuck? There's a difference between the marketing and the reality.

1:12:15Jason Stewart:Twos and fours. Where's the Italian greyhounds? Where's my big old? Yeah, I want the fucking, I want the golden doodle that just got groomed. I don't want these fucking mutts you got from fucking the you know the shelter it's not it's not i mean i love dogs but i do not i don't think they need to be in maru coffee you know what i mean like i don't think yeah yeah in the restaurant or in the supermarket with us there was there was we jason remember we were eating we were eating an unnamed restaurant that we love and there was a dog i swear to god the size of jason's right leg sitting under a table staring at us the whole time and I was just like, and the owner, the owners literally, and they kept having to calm him down the whole, I'm like, you, if you're going to bring a dog of that size into a restaurant, it better be docile or on dog's and like, there's gotta be, you can't.

1:13:01Jason Stewart:Or it better be military trained. Like it has to bring something to like you, like the server. I remember the servers walking by me and like, oh, can you tell your 80 pound dog to move so I can give you the food that you ordered? And they, you know, they don't know what's going on. but that dog needs to be able to do back flips, shaking hands. You know what I mean? You can get into the kitchen and start rolling out pizzas. I want that dog to be able to disarm an intruder. You know what I mean? You better be able to jump up. He knows which wire to cut on the bomb. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. I want that motherfucker jumping up, taking the nine out of the holster.

1:13:39You know what I mean? I don't want this shit.

1:13:42Jason Stewart:If your dog is, quote unquote, a certified, it went to the school, it has the vest. It's not a stolen valor, you know, wearing the fatigues. Ordered off Amazon. Yeah. Service dog medallion. Yeah. Yeah. The fake service dog medallion can't service nothing. Get out of here. You got to be able to prove it. Jesus Christ. All right. Thank you, Matt, for joining us on How Long Gone. It's a pleasure. Little Brother, you can stream on Netflix on Friday. Ingrid Goes West, I'm sure, is available everywhere. See it if you haven't. Available on Delta. Yeah. And congratulations, bro. I know this is a big hump to get over, so happy for you.

1:14:16Thank you, guys.

1:14:17Jason Stewart:And also, congratulations on your child being born next month. Thank you, sir. July 23rd. Don't sound too excited. July 23rd, in stores everywhere. July 23rd, it's all over after that. In Dassenettes. Everywhere, yeah. All right. We appreciate it, man. Thanks again. We'll see you soon.

1:14:47On the ground, am I right side up or upside down? Is this real or am I dreaming?

1:15:17Jason Stewart:energy for life.