965. - Griffin Dunne

30:18Jason Stewart:It reminds me of the, I think it was a Motley Crue song, Girl, don't go away mad, just go away. You know what I mean? We're going to do a clean break, but don't be mad at me for anything. That's a good way. I think that's a good way to look at it. I think that's a good way to approach it. No, it's good. And then, you know, you can have dinner with them and they'll make fun of you for dating that younger woman and you'll make fun of them for this and it's a fun friendship. Yes, exactly. It's all in good form. Yeah, I think it's, but, you know, no regrets on anything and I got a wonderful daughter and I'm close with her mother and I'd say it was a very successful, is a very successful relationship, just not a married one.

31:07Jason Stewart:Have you found that women that you're dating now are more into the fact that you still are friends with your exes, or do you think they're more into a clean break with a new... No, I think if they're threatened by it, then they're the wrong person. You're right. Damn. You're right. That's a red flag. Amen. Yeah, exactly. Like, you're half her age and you're threatened by it? This is a turnoff for me. It's a red flag. Yes, by the way. Actually, you know what? I'm just going to eat both. I'm going to eat both. Sorry. So when the book came out, I imagine a lot of people in your past knew this book was coming out, obviously.

31:45Jason Stewart:And a lot of that stuff is obviously in the public discourse because of who's involved. But I imagine you had to make some calls you weren't looking forward to making. Is that fair to say? Well, the woman that I lost my virginity to, I didn't have any record of her. No, no. You mean beyond your mental capacity? You're saying there's no phone number or email. I mean, I don't have phone number or email. I have no idea where she lives. You lost your diary entry of the night, everything. Yeah, there just was no record. And I really tried. So I changed her name, and the book comes out. I get a letter.

32:26I write an email. She had my email. And I get an email from her going, how come you didn't use my name?

32:37Jason Stewart:I was about to add that to my Wikipedia page. Yeah, and I wasn't that much older than you. And she was kind of miffed. I didn't mention her. That's cool. I've never heard that version of this story. Usually it's the exact opposite. Usually it's the exact opposite. That means you must have done something right. Yeah, I think so too. And, you know, the most the most vulnerable thing is, you know, all the people that are still around Charlie and and the girls who who grew up next door that my mother also raised and all of us met up. We've all still stayed in each other's lives, but we all we all met up during the time the book came out and they were so proud to be part of it.

33:22And, you know, my brother was so proud of it. He's certain people's favorite character. And so it was kind of a, it brought us all together. And all the family, the East Coast Duns, the West Coast, my cousins in Nogales. And it was like a, you know, a book that brought along a big family reunion. Beautiful.

33:43Jason Stewart:So regardless of living in Manhattan or Nogales, if you're a Dun, if somebody writes something about you in a book, you're going to pay attention to it. Yeah, yeah. You're going to come on now. You know, it's true. The cockroaches are going to scatter out from under the fridge. good to hear from you no one escapes at all griffin how the hell are you bud well that's exactly you know it's funny there's a um a thread of only duns who are from hartford on my father's side whenever there's something of a public mention about a don or a um and then the griffin one on my mother's side the same sort of deal and if i do something that's sort of in the public they all jump on board to go, hey, why did you do that?

34:29And that's the thing. Did you see this? And then they're Googling shit and suddenly all sorts of embarrassing pictures are flying around. Sure.

34:37Jason Stewart:So it's the Hartford dons specifically is what you're saying? They kind of... Well, yes. They're the toughest group. Hartford's a tough town. You should host Saturday Night Live again, Griffin. Why don't you host SNL again? That'll be good for your book.

34:54well you know um i have this piece that came out this week in new york magazine that was about obituaries my obsession with obituaries and had to do with my father kind of a funny ridiculous thing that happened and i said that my um that the duns of west hartford my grandparents had five brothers and sister five children and one of the cousins said No, they had six. What's wrong with you? You forgot a whole fucking person. Oh my God, I dropped it. You know, here are all the proof copy editors.

35:28Jason Stewart:I was going to say, I'm blaming New York Magazine for this, not you. It's their fault. I couldn't believe that. If you can't depend on your editor, who can you depend on as a freelance creator like yourself, Griffin? I know. Yes. I think they wrongly thought, well, he knows how many people are in his family. Look, if I was a fact checker in New York Magazine, I would also expect you to know that. I think there's some deniability. We all smell foul play here. I mean, I read that story, and I had never been—I have a friend who's a big obituary guy, and I know that about him, and he's the only one I've ever known.

36:07Jason Stewart:And I think that the process of obituaries and how they're sort of pre—you know, they're prepared once you get to a certain age. I feel like a lot of people don't really realize that. No one does. Because you talk about it in, you would get calls. They need info. My dad would get calls. Yeah, it's crazy. And it's a cold call, too, on his own line. I'm the copy editor from the New York Times. Listen, I'm just doing it in advance on your obituary. Could you tell us how things are going and any projects coming up? Do you guys know something I don't? when you think about it logically though it is it has to come out immediately it's like it kind of makes sense exactly it's the hit send um and it's been in the works you know and and i was just fascinated by that that that idea of and also you know if you get the call from the times it means you're at a certain station in life where you know when you cool you're gonna get an obituary in the times so it's it's sort of a win-win the turn the cool turn of phrase that appears in that story i feel like i'm really going to try to add that to my you know repertoire you would not believe how many people wrote me to say i'm using that word all the time it's great but i'm sure there's other i mean i'm sure there's other things that you're you know that have crept into your life that are like family sayings that when you say to other people they're like what the fuck does that mean my dad used to say to my my daughter when she was about five or six you know she'd say you know uh i i like that painting dad uh poppy i really like it she goes well kid when i cool you're getting it and when i cool you know you're gonna make a lot of money i go why are you telling her that um but he would always be you know so hannah would go so poppy is gonna cool you know when i mean just forget that just forget you know when you don't want to get you don't want to get your daughter looking forward to your father's death you do that that's what i say you're setting up dad so you can she's on artsy.net seeing what the auction prices were and you're like let's call that he's got two more years so pop gramps would you call it near mint or how do you want to place this okay who uh who is going to write your obituary have you got the call from a fact checker yet i i have not although through my kind of interest in obituaries um i actually met someone and and we've had lunch and uh she's a she's a been a pal of mine for a couple years now named penelope green and she's the one when i started to write the article that i got all the vernacular from and you know of what it goes into and yeah there's a subtext when we're having lunch i'm thinking why hasn't she called me for my advance this is like look i love i love via corona as much as the next guy but when are you calling me like what are we doing here we're wasting time what's the point of this lunch if you're not well i i worry about the future of of obituary and writers, you know, with AI, because I feel like when anyone dies, you can just say, you know, shit out an obituary in the, in the voice of Penelope green for this person.

39:26Jason Stewart:And it'll get across the line. Good enough for most folks, you know? Yeah. I feel like when you're, when we're cutting budgets at the New York times, you know, the obits, I could see that. I could see that. And they're going to deny themselves, you know, each, each obituary writer, has a... A flare? A tag, yeah. It's like they've got their thing where you know it's unmistakably them. And it usually comes out, particularly in how they close the obit. In this very... They'll find just the right thing that will sum up everything the prior eight paragraphs have been going toward. I suppose an AI could do that, but I'm not quite so sure.

40:11they wouldn't have the sensibility. AI doesn't have a sensibility yet. Of course. And irony. Maybe mock irony, but I don't think it'll be that convincing. Yeah, I can sniff out the mock irony.

40:25Jason Stewart:I can sniff that out. Yes, I feel like I could too. In the 60s and 70s, I feel like obituary writing was like a real thing and people loved it and cared about it and knew about it. I feel like our current generation, we're not checking for the obits. No, no, no. I think it's, and you know, I didn't check for, I wasn't interested, I've always been interested in them since, you know, my late teens, early 20s, just because I, it wasn't a morbid thing. there were little biographies that would stem off into so many other things into an interest in world war ii of a particular battle because the last guy to fight in that battle died at that age and i'll go oh there um oh god that was a heroine battle and then he took that many germans and oh that was the turn of the war or a cat burglar you know was in her 70s and falls off her roof and dies.

41:19I went, wow. Where was that in France? Whose house was that?

41:24Jason Stewart:It'll take you down a road you weren't looking to go down. You go down these rabbit holes. Exactly. So you'll kill a whole day just reading about some woman who died you've never heard of. Whereas nowadays I look on Twitter and it says, this rapper died. Thanks, TMZ. And then, you know, we're done. I think that could be part of it. I think the people who want to read the poetic version versus the people who want the news as fast as possible are very separate groups of people. Yes, yes. And also, like you were saying, the obituary, it's like a little mini biography about someone, but when it's an obituary, they kind of don't shed a strong light on the negative parts of their life because the body's recently cooled.

42:06Jason Stewart:So you get to kind of skip over some of the ugly bits. Well, in some cases, but other ones, and these are the ones I look for. They'll air your ass out, Jason. They'll air your ass out. I would love an example from Griffin. That they're only remembered by the worst thing they ever did in their lives. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to us by our friends at Dart Collective. I think we can all agree that wedding music is typically quite lame, cheesy, and it doesn't represent the bride and groom's personal music taste. luckily DART works with actual musicians and artists many of whom have their own productive careers or tour in bands you've heard of everyone from Leon Bridges to Taylor Swift uh DART DJs use vinyl and are cool in a way that your peers would be not a dated Carnival Cruise performer they even have an in-house stylist to make sure all personnel look perfect on the day uh DART travels all over the world for events from Morocco to Italy Greece and the Maldives DART has done huge celebrity events and also intimate ones yeah chris i uh i am personally friends with michael from dart and i have worked with them for years uh i think the last time i did a big one we did the uh the sweet green wedding they set up a beautiful booth for the you know for the ceremony just some cocktail music some vinyl some cool vibes and then they set up a whole big tent with a crazy bump and sound system for me to play in later.

43:33Jason Stewart:These guys are great. A lot of people always ask me like, hey, you know, do cool wedding DJs exist? Do cool event people exist? The cool part about Dart is they'll work with people like me to come and DJ your party, as well as provide all the gear and all the consulting and all that stuff. So if you don't know who to hire for your event, Dart Collective is the one dart just like throwing a dart dash collective.com and uh ask for mike his email address is michael at dart dash collective.com tell them we sent you uh so if you have an event coming up this summer dart collective is where you go you know if you look at you know uh uh ivan bosky or something uh you know a big arbitrage guy in the 80s it'll be in the headline you know ex-convict for or serve time it'll be in the headline they don't they don't mention his great relationship with his daughter you know it's more ex-convict they won't it'll be the lead paragraph they're not going to talk about how good the writing was on season three of the cosby show yeah they're going to say he's a famous prolific raper exactly they're not going to be doing and you know there's this one no bit i really loved called his name was like Ron Wrongway Henderson.

44:58Ron Wrongway was a football player who in Princeton, the Princeton-Yale game, ran and scored a touchdown by running the wrong way. Sounds like Princeton to me. That was in like 1934. And here the poor guy died. He's been, you know, a leader in the business community. And there's his headline.

45:21Jason Stewart:the nickname is so good that you kind of got to tell the story legendary philin philanthropic efforts yeah he get millions donated to child he's got a way he's got a wing named after him at the hospital and they still it's wrong way that that i was just reading the the jpeg version of the obituary of refrigerator perry the football player who just passed away and in his you know It shows 1953 to 2026, and it just says the fridge in there. He can't just be William Perry. You just got to be like, oh, you're the guy who's so fat, they need you a refrigerator. Got it. Anyway, rest of you. Sorry we lost you, big bro.

46:04Jason Stewart:Sorry we lost you. Yeah, I mean, I think that that is also to grab the attention. Like all good headlines, you know what I mean? If you put wrong way in the headline, you put fridge in the headline, maybe you'll get some eyeballs you weren't going to get that's you're going to get some eyeballs for sure they're going to get some eyeballs this is so are you still so what is your like what is your like something like this that's obviously been interest forever what stemmed you writing this story for new york magazine were you like i just want to do this or was there a bigger reason yeah there was actually um a friend of mine i refer to it and i don't don't use his name but people who know him will know where i'm at he's a very good friend of mine and and and his daughter was an artist and you know for a father to outlive their kid is there's nothing worse in the world and i noticed the only slight ray of light was when he unexpectedly saw the respect the obituary in the new york times gave his daughter she was acknowledged it was his thread to her.

47:09And I saw also the importance of it. I've always known the funny story about my dad and the machinations I did to try to get him on the front page when he died on the Ted Kennedy. And I've always seen Dave Ted Kennedy. And I've always thought I'm going to use that either fictionally or at some point in my life, have it be a scene of some kind. But when I saw that in my friend, I just started to think about it obituaries in a social context, in a cultural context, and how seeing your name in print means just as much to a family of prominence or in the times as it does to seeing it in a local newspaper.

47:56It's still acknowledgement, like no matter what.

47:58Jason Stewart:It's acknowledgement, exactly. No, that makes sense. And that's a good reason to write it. That's like, you know. And then I thought, wow, now I'm going to give away this, ridiculous scenario I lived through. Well, look, hey, look, that$1 ,000 can pay for some alpaca feed. Let's not, you know. Exactly, exactly. So I give away my weekend and Bernie's story. Like, all right, I hope we got some more gas in the tank still. You know, you'll find some of them. I think it does. I think it does. We can still turn that into a screenplay. We can get some miles out of it. Don't worry. It's just the seed we're planting.

48:31It's definitely a screwball comedy.

48:33Jason Stewart:I did want to ask you about, you know, I think that obviously Hollywood is such a big talking point now for everyone. I think that in your day, in your sort of participation, I feel like it was a little more of a closed set, not to be funny. But you know what I mean? I think the ins and outs of the business weren't so widely distributed. You didn't have all these kind of armchair quarterbacks talking about it. What do you think is actually happening? You know what I mean? What do you think it actually is going to turn into? I mean, I think it's sort of anybody's guess. I would just, you know, what AI is going to be doing to all of those.

49:11You know, as you say, I feel so fortunate to, you know, have started at a time where there was a studio reliance system that when you went, you would see shops with carpenters working and people making flats and sets and all the sausage that goes into. getting a film up and seeing seeing how set seeing a beautiful set and all the craftsmen that are involved and i'm really concerned about about their jobs about you know if the economy isn't already bad enough yeah you know streaming is taking a huge chunk out of movie theaters and

49:51Jason Stewart:i guess though are you are you like a purist who wants it to remain the same are you aware or or you know that it's going to have to change but how can that be done the best yeah i i guess I'm more than just being nostalgic. And of course, I love all that. You know, I was just with the, I have a house guest here, a guy named Happy Mass. He's a very successful production designer. And we were just talking about the studio in Italy and Ginni Cotta, you know, with Fellini made all of his movies and all that. And he was saying he was there. And, you know, even the plaster shops and all that, it's all kind of dusty and not as used.

50:30they still have the men wearing the the aprons that you see and um you know they're all craftsmen and each thing but there's far fewer people and it's all run down this great old studio is not filling up its its thing so so i'm naturally skeptical not just about ai not just for the for the craft people but how it's going to affect storytelling and uh you know you were saying you know i think i could smell mock irony i wonder how day how those days are if those days are limited you know and then then we just hit send and all our water supply is being drained for all of this bullshit and and musk just makes more and more and more money and uh who are we making all this money for we're making less than somebody else's now we're gonna have three or four trillionaires um just what the world needs and there's no good trillionaires they're all like

51:30Jason Stewart:the world's shittiest dudes of all time i know where are the good trillionaires that's what i say every day and you know i look in the mirror and i think chris this could be you you could be the first good trillies gone yeah you know the first i say this about myself every morning if i was a trillionaire i'd be so good at it i would be oh the way i would distribute my money they the i'd be behind the scenes no one knows me i'd be the modest trillionaire classic okay you're going you're going walton mode you're like we can't google we can't google you yeah yes and i don't want anyone to know my generosity um and i will be curing diseases and you know leave a little bit for myself you know um look i'm not crazy i won't be you know i'm gonna have my deck renovated on my dock.

52:22But shop like that.

52:23Jason Stewart:You deserve that. And no one will know it's me. Well, what kind of bad are you going to do, though? Like, what kind of stuff are you going to sponsor that, you know, maybe you shouldn't have sponsored? Oh, I don't know. Just for fun, you know? Yeah, no, so many horrible jokes are going through my head that I can't... Don't worry. We edit. I edit the podcast, you know, judiciously. No, I'm not going there. It would be a joke, but I don't worry about people's humor more than that. No, you're right. Much like irony that's gone away too so you got to be careful exactly yeah i mean you're right of course no one knows i just i just think that there's beyond you're right like the nostalgia part of it is hard to ignore when that was your reality you know it's like how could you how could you not think of it fondly yeah i i think it would be it'd be cool if there were you know the cool trillionaires like you or even just the billionaires or just the rich people who could you know fund the production of films without having any political agenda behind it so like like the uh there's the sam altman movie they just got canceled it was at it was at amazon yes i just we don't have this independent studio anymore with enough money to buy a film and make it no no we don't and everyone has the same agenda and they're all yeah and they're all kissing the ring.

53:38So every piece of art is funded by the worst guy.

53:40Jason Stewart:That is even more worrisome. I like to kiss the ring sometimes, but not all the time. It depends which finger. I don't even know what that means. Yesterday, there was a thing on Twitter of Kevin Spacey who is selling a ring. Jason, what does it say? It says F-U, but what does it stand for? Well, I think the F-U stands, I worry that it stands for Frank Underwood. Oh, yes, of course. His most famous his character. My favorite. But a double entendre for, you know, you, but it was like a different, it was like Latin around it. It was like, you know, out of the, born from the fires. Yeah, it was like a dramatic, it was a dramatic basically like collegiate style.

54:26Jason Stewart:Great question. I feel like it's What's the Bible verse about being canceled for rape? Oh yeah, let's throw that one on the ring. I think he, I think he got, yeah, it looks like a, like a community college graduation yeah i would say is the the style the design style mad magazine back page kind of thing i don't know if they're gonna i don't know if it's i don't know if it's gonna move crazy units i don't know if it's gonna get him out of poverty but we'll see what happens you know he got the idea from the merchandise the merch that our president sells yeah no the trump gold coins like i'm not gonna say i don't have a few in the safe you never know i mean no i know i know the shoes are very comfortable it's an investment yeah the shoes are comfortable they look bad but they're so comfortable um griffin up i know the weather's a little different there upstate than in the city um but mayor mom donnie he said everyone to keep the ac at 78 i want to know what the what the nest thermostats looking like over there at dune hq i think i might have to go in the other room and i mean i don't want you to get up make an adjustment you can do it from your app now Yeah, I got it blaring.

55:30Jason Stewart:You're touching 72. No, I like our mayor. If that's what he says, I'll follow it. Okay. You'll do whatever, as long as it's not too hot in the house. Yeah. Also in the book, is it true that the first time you met Joan Didion, one of your testicles was hanging out of your pants? Apparently so. And by the way. If I wrote it, it's true. If you're going to just put it out there like that, it's giving the impression. I guess I should say bathing suit. A 37-year-old man's testicle was, with hair on it, was meeting Joan Didion for the first time. I was five years old. Jason, you did leave that out. I will say Jason, Dave.

56:09You did. You buried.

56:10Jason Stewart:The nut was still out, though. Nuts out, to be clear. It was a grape at that age. I just love that. Just love it. A just a hairless grape. but you know um she and it was a scene that was opened in the bathing suit that i was wearing and i mentioned it in the book i read about the book because it's sort of her reaction sort of was in line with the kind of writer that she became known for which was everyone all the grown-ups when they saw the little ball they roared with laughter i'm five years old i'm of shamefaced i'm scarlet she in her sunglasses never left eye contact with me just look didn't do and she didn't see you know a little boy embarrassed she saw the way she always sees cultural events politics from a different lens that she became famous for writing for and so she was like going i'm not with them i got you i got you i don't think your nuts are funny at all i think it's cool and i'm gonna steal this and write about it later i guess absolutely for now we're good i mean i i think it's uh i i watched part of the documentary last night because i watched it when it came out but i watched some of it last night before bed and it's just it's pretty astounding sort of what she has become culturally especially to women especially to women it's kind of unbelievable yeah and not not for it not not i just i just feel like writing doesn't break through that way anymore if that if that makes sense i totally agree i don't know who has had that impression and it's radakowski is about it it's embedded it's going to go on from generation to generation to generation i i did this um i was talking to someone at new york magazine for the the newsletter they do about books about like authors doing things like in the fashion world to kind of promote their book.

58:14Jason Stewart:And the, the Joan Didion Celine thing is sort of the, that is the top of the mountain. You know what I mean? And now, and I think that gave license to a lot of, of people to do that kind of thing. And my argument was like, if you're trying to sell a book, you got to do whatever you can do. So if that's walking an Eckhouse, a lot of runway or posing for J crew, I think you got to do it. I don't think it takes away from it. I think that example is really the one that gets used by everyone as their sort of shield. Yes, yeah. But it's also that she did do that at such an enormous cultural impact. It was like she was given a pass because it was like a well-deserved icon getting recognition.

58:58And when that came out, I heard it was going to happen. And by the way, I was surprised she did it. But, you know she'd also done a gap commercial with guantana years before that that was on buses bus stops everywhere you looked so it wasn't like that unusual but that to be clear that was the heyday of the gap ads being pretty awesome unbelievable exactly every everybody wanted to do that and then but i i went to the amazon i by myself i took this trip kind of a side i travel often by myself and in and go to areas where i probably can't get anybody to go with me and i had a guide and we went into the jungle up this little tributary off the amazon and we were in country for you know a couple of weeks and then we're coming back and the amazon is actually like the long island expressway it's it's it's just a huge brew fair it's nothing at all like what you would imagine it's what's off to the sides of the amazon sure and there's no obviously no radio reception or anything like that when you're in in there we're coming out the guy had on this transistor radio not a sound came out of it for two weeks we come out we're onto the 495 amazon and all of a sudden it bursts to life and i'm hearing in spanish

1:00:27The first human correspondence in Weed?

1:00:30Jason Stewart:That's wild. And I went, I'm back. I'm back in America. Here we go. That's really funny. I mean, that's the impact. That's the impact. I mean, that's the impact. Well, also in the book, I noticed you mentioned your mother and Joan both stayed at one time at a ladies-only hotel in New York. And that was what, in the 60s, 70s? No, that would be the 50s. Okay, so obviously a ladies-only hotel in 2026 sounds a little odd and interesting, but we're currently in a real kind of sexual divide. And do you see maybe in the next five years a women's-only hotel opening up somewhere in America or New York.

1:01:17You know, if I was a woman entrepreneur, I would definitely get that idea going.

1:01:26Jason Stewart:Well, you could do it as a man, by the way. Imagine how much tail you'd get if you opened up the woman's only hotel. Going back to my trillion dollars, going back to my trillion dollars, I would do that and I'd put a plaque out in the front with a fake name as being the founder of this thing but you know the barbazon it's an idea worth revisiting because so many people uh women came out of there and became professionals in in various different fields it was it was it was audrey gelman before audrey gelman it was you know it was the wing and that's probably probably what inspired audrey gelman to to do that but also to have a you know a hotel where they could stay and not be, you know, harassed by the manosphere asshole men.

1:02:16Jason Stewart:Excluding the three guys on this call, but yeah, I see it. Oh, I mean, besides, we do it with charm. Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself, Griffin. But you know, where they can just go and leave the fucking assholes outside the revolving doors to, you know, just go in and, you know, sit at their bar. and I would put a bar, by the way, in the lobby. I think women deserve to drink as well. Let them get shit-faced and have a good time and not be hit on every 10 fucking seconds. Yeah. They can finally unclench their asshole not having to worry about who's going to peek around the corner every five minutes.

1:02:53Absolutely. Accusting them. I see that happening all the time.

1:02:56Jason Stewart:And if they're looking for any bartenders, I got nights open right now. Kind of Thursdays are good. I've got the Monday, Wednesday, Friday shit. but yeah also you can take thursdays a woman only hotel do do they have only women's staff they have to otherwise it ruins the it pops the bubble yeah yeah yeah i'm gonna say no gay guys i'm gonna say no gay guys even yeah i just i just worry i mean obviously women can do everything but you know i worry if there's like a dangerous situation like if a couple some some bad boys sneak in somehow you know we need we need some muscle to get them out by the there'd be some there'd be some male security okay well they're outside i'll sleep soundly at night before before yeah well i also i i need to talk to you about drugs just a little bit because there's the story in the book where you're you're like you know you're you get the call from your dad about your sister and you're you know you've been doing coke all night and you're you're you know you're coming down what what was the what was your relationship with drug use just like normal Yeah, I think it's kind of like, I don't know what the scene is now, but looking back, I find it amazing how prevalent Coke was everywhere.

1:04:10On sets, bars, restaurants, and just so completely flagrant, you know? Now I would imagine people are much more discreet if there is like a Coke scene.

1:04:22Jason Stewart:They're more discreet. I don't hear about anyone being addicted to Coke. I'm sure it must be happening and also I think fentanyl is a genuine scare but you know you would just see people tweaked out of their fucking minds and many people going into rehab and then you would just see how it would taper off going what the fuck is this all about this is this sucks you know my nose is bleeding I just babbled on about nothing for three hours boring the shit out of anyone, everyone, and I couldn't get it up when I got home. Why am I still taking this stuff? Smoke 38 cigarettes and I can't get it up. I smoke 38.

1:05:05Jason Stewart:That screenplay idea was actually bad upon further reflection. Okay, well, we've done a lot of cocaine ourselves, but we have not done a Quaalude, and I feel like you might be in a little bit of that sweet spot pocket where you were of age where it was still cooking. That was just a fuzzy face thing. That was like a fuzzy face. and it was considered like a i guess a sex drug or something but yeah i was just like a gummy that's when you know it's working i like that the category the subcategory of drugs being known as fuzzy face ingestibles is something i never considered but there are some drugs where it's just like i'm sure there will be a gummy for that um i still want to be able to drive a car.

1:05:49Jason Stewart:I just want a little bit of a... I had a friend who had his very first and probably only three-way. And they all took play loads. And he was lying back. He was knocked out and two girls are down there touching his business while he's got no pants on. And they're holding up his limp limp dick and he says to the other girl you want to get in on this? and the guy on the quail and goes oh wow Griffin I'm proud that you told us that story and left your name out of it because I feel bad about your friend see how I said friend this isn't one of those I have a friend this really was I have a friend that's I mean It always killed me, the girl holding up, you want to get it?

1:06:50The expression, I can just see it on his face.

1:06:56Jason Stewart:It is ironic that, unfortunately, drugs are the number one cause of threesomes and also the number one cause of threesomes not happening. Not happening as well. It's the beginning and the end of almost every threesome. It gets you there, it gets you there, and then it does nothing for you once you're there. it's just one of those to get you over the line last question is it true that you hosted SNL in 1986 under duress no why under duress what do you mean I was listening to a podcast that like dissects every single episode of SNL and they they said that your episode in 86 was the one right before the episode that they thought everyone was going to be the last episode of SNL uh huh and they they said that it looked like you may have like been thrown in last minute like somebody cancelled or like no no no no I was always booked but the episode that I did is more known for the one that Damon Wayans was fired for we were doing a sketch where I was like a Scarface kind of Pacino coke dealer and when we did rehearsals he was a detective and he did it, you know, straight tough guy detective.

1:08:16And then inexplicably, when we were alive, he put a switch to it and did a whole limp-wristed sort of a thing, which wasn't planned, and he got fired as soon as he got in the wings. That's so funny. I just happened to have worked with his son. And so we had a funny moment where Damon Wayans said, you know, passed on, he goes, you fired my father. I went, I didn't fire him, Lauren did, you know. You're getting your old white guys mixed up.

1:08:43Jason Stewart:And I wonder if that was Lauren firing him because of doing a gay voice or the network forcing him to fire him. What do you think? You know, I don't know. I don't know. It's been documented. But I think more the bigger sin was... Our attitude towards gay stuff in 86 was different than now is all I'm saying. Yeah, that probably had nothing to do with it. I think more that the bigger sin was to go off the range. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's not an improv show. Yeah. Nothing about it is improv. Yeah, this is rehearsed for a whole week. We stay up all night. Let's do this right. People wrote this all night long.

1:09:23So I think that was the issue.

1:09:26Jason Stewart:And luckily, Damon Wayans, he knew that his gay voice was so good that he was able to spread his wings and fly. And he ended up having a great career doing a gay voice for many years. That's actually great. He had to test it out. It was inside of him. All right, Griffin. Thank you for joining us. This was a pleasure. We might have to do this every year if you're up for it. Go right ahead. Let's do that. I think we might have to do it. We've got to do it every year. I know you're twiddling your thumbs up there. You need some entertainment. Every year we'll do Dunnstock. Absolutely. Pilgrimage upstate.

1:09:57And by then the obit writer will have called me, so I'll have more information for you.

1:10:01Jason Stewart:We'll have an update on that. All right. Perfect. Thank you for joining us. The book is everywhere, and hopefully we see you soon. We appreciate it. Me too. See you guys. Thanks. Thanks, buddy. See you next time.