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20:18Jason Stewart:And wondering. Extraordinary things are possible. That is one area. We were, this is when we were also, we went through many, many years of sharing hotel rooms and having to change who is sleeping with a bedmate that night. Oh, because it's a three-piece. I didn't even think about this. Wow, that's rough. So we're pinching pennies. Yeah, the fellows are all sharing beds. And, you know, we're not tiny people. So it can be tough. So then you bring out the measuring tape for the bed. Figure out. Wow. If you're getting screwed or not. Okay, okay. So that's, it has more of an actual practical reason.

20:54There was a practical reason.

20:55Jason Stewart:Yeah, whatever you got to tell yourself. Whatever you got to tell yourself. But it was also just hilarious. I think it brings, not to speak for Josette, but I do think it brings her pleasure to catch people in lies in real life. Oh, obviously. Yeah, this is not about the three inches of comfort that she's gaining. Sounds like our comment section, Naomi, I gotta say. Yeah, this is about truth and getting to the bottom of it. I just don't like liars. I don't know. I just don't like liars. I don't like being lied to. I don't like being lied to. I hate hypocrisy. I like validation. I like justice.

21:27Jason Stewart:I do like all this. I like writing wrongs. I wonder if people on those travel sites are posting measurements now, like when you buy jeans on eBay and you're like, no, it says 34 on the Levi's, but it's really a 31, you know? I'll be the secret shopper for booking.com for the five-star properties if somebody's got to do it. I mean, I'm not super good with tape measures and like handy stuff, but I could do that. You could cross-reference some stuff. Exactly. I could at least cross-reference. At the very least, I could cross-reference some stuff. What are y 'all's thoughts as Cosmopolitan erudite travelers on the the united airlines where you can buy three seats and they turn into a bed have you seen this i have seen this i i only fly united if i have it's like gunpoint well it's weird in on the east coast like newark is the best airport to fly out of low key from new york does rock and united that's united hub and if you want to go to like austin or aspen in places like that it's like the best i think that is a smart idea but i think it gets us closer to the stand-up airlines which are around the corner and that i that i don't anything that takes us closer to like bus vibes i think i would say that's the opposite chris you're you're doing a you're doing a lay down you're you're saying i don't want three chairs i want a bed i know but i'm saying they're getting there's a lyric in there somewhere naomi sorry yeah yeah yeah they're getting too funky they're getting too funky with it is what i'm trying to say they're getting too funky with it and it feels like this is all steps in the wrong direction i was just gonna say i understand where you're coming from in the sense of like the future being one person can buy live flat and the other it's like the hook on the back of your backpack if you wear your backpack and you hook yourself onto a hook if you can find an empty hook you can take it you're the peking duck for the seven hour flight well what i i think that the three top fold over it's primarily for parents and their small child to create their little zone yeah yeah and i we were talking about this literally i think on the last episode about how airlines, I believe, are moving into segregating people of classes into...

23:32Jason Stewart:So it's like, here's... This plane's only first class and premium or this one's only Delta 1 and first class. Yeah. This one is only three bangers that fold into... So I want to put all the families with crying, screaming babies all in the same plane. In their own area. Put all the rich, boring people on the other plane. Sure. And put the middle people on the... Instead of... We can just have a bunch of comfort pluses from seat one to seat 56. Yeah. Knock them all out. You got your shitty kids? Yeah, get your own plane. Without those pesky private prices. No, but it's good. It's like when they have the mommy and me movie screenings early in the morning.

24:12Jason Stewart:It's like a nice service to be like, hey, my kid's going to scream and be annoying. So I'm just going to be around other kids that are screaming annoying easier on the parents. We just learned not to scream on planes. I actually think the instinct to scream on a plane is fair. I think it's really fair by polite society to not scream but these babies are screaming plain or not they're gonna scream wherever they are they're screaming just being incarnate which is also fair yeah yeah I needed to hear that today mama yeah again I think that's also I on the way I got back from London last night and there was a guy there's a family in the front three like the three front seats of Delta One and there was a kid he was probably like 13 had the AirPod Max on this motherfucker read a book the entire flight and afterwards i almost approached him to congratulate him i'm like i have not seen someone of your age he read a book for six and a half i went to the bathroom several times i'm a big hydrator as you know i saw him i saw him every 30 minutes never put the fucking book down i was like this is giving me this is giving me hope i don't know if it was harry potter i didn't check the spine but well chris there's this thing called autism and you just discovered a person who well got it deep inside well i'm saying this to say there was an a a fairly well-known actress also on the flight who i did not see put down her cell phone for the entire six i'm just trying to show name searching chris we'll bleep it we'll bleep it uh oh look she didn't look good though i'll say that but i'm saying i'm saying i was like you I mean, as a person who uses their phone in a healthy amount, I was like, this is shocking.

25:51Once I saw the trend, I kept checking a little bit just to see.

25:54Jason Stewart:But those of us who are so busy, the plane is the only time I get to scroll and kind of fuck off, you know? That's my play zone. Yeah, famously, actors don't have any downtime when they're shooting something. She has no time to... No time, no time at all. I'm generally anti-children because I grew up poor. I'm anti-child in first class. It just pisses me off so much. But if you're reading, you get a couple clout points from me. I think that there's a lot of blowback happening. I'm not sure if you're familiar with Kristen Cavallari from The Hills, the blonde bombshell from The Hills. She recently got in trouble.

26:30Jason Stewart:I said I'm poor, not blind. Of course I know about Kristen. Sorry. We had basic cable. What the fuck? So she has recently gotten some blowback for being like, yeah, I put my kids in fucking coach. it's my money mommy worked for this get your bag up I had three babies with an NFL quarterback not you losers, sit in the back I don't give a shit I think that's a common rich person's thing where I hear Shaq talks about it I gotta teach these kids we ain't rich, I'm rich and I think Kristen is doing a bit of the same because she knows that my kid is gonna turn into a fucked up Kardashian if I don't set some of these ground rules.

27:15Jason Stewart:Totally. We're going to get a Northie. Yeah, exactly. Have you seen Have you seen Northie's hand piercings? Are you up on this? I'm not. You know what? You'll have to catch me up on the goings on the past couple weeks. I've been taking a break from using my phone. I reached a breaking point. I was like, I can't do this anymore. I don't need to know as much as I know. I'm too online. Goodbye. Goodbye. So I've been off the past couple weeks. I did see a video of... who did I see a video of saying hi to Northie from the stage? Little Uzi Vert. Yeah, yeah. I'm up on that. Who did I see but one little Uzi Vert?

27:49A little Uzi Vert. Well, who, I mean. Little Uzi Vertical. People with unnecessary piercings have to stick together. You know, a little Uzi. Yeah, that's why they're hanging out. Northwest, I just noticed this recently because people were, like, I'm talking five to six piercings per hand, which is a thing I didn't even know was necessarily possible. I know we've made great leaps in the piercing space since I was in the marketplace.

28:16Jason Stewart:Well, we've gotten our infections down so much in the last four years. It's crazy. You look at her hand and it's just fucking silver balls. It's crazy. My mind instantly goes, hospital infection. Tell me you don't bathe yourself. Did she just stand to get bathed by other people? They spray her down like a horse after a session. Well, main entail. She definitely, she's, yeah, probably bidet only. And touchless bidet only hands up. Just getting sprayed down. Never had a regular toilet. That's what I'm saying. Probably never even had one. I'm scared. Those hand piercings, oh my God. Fear beyond. Imagine you're late for the big dinner meeting and you get that thing caught on the door on your way out.

29:04Jason Stewart:Crazy. Call 911. Crazy. It's scary enough having earrings. Yeah, I know. Did you ever go through a heavy piercing phase in your younger days? I had. Listen, I tried to gauge my ears for a second when I was in high school. I'm from San Diego, so we were in the punk and hardcore scene, straight edge for 90 minutes, kind of vibe. Wait, I didn't know. Well, you're talking to two people who know what you're talking about. I also stretched my own ears at home on my mom's knitting needles. Let's go. Proud to say I never stretched my ears. and that's weak motherfucker and you never had it in you bitch that's also that's also true it did it was uncomfortable it's the only way i feel what was your era of san diego punk and hardcore obviously this this is post 3-1-g this is because you're younger than us so this is there was no unbroken shows there were no unbroken shows we it was i was a high school class of again every audience cover your ears if you're young and i guess cover them if you're old too 2011 so i was like 08 to 2011 07 to 2011 so it was almost like okay okay there there were like the kind of like job for a cowboy type shit going on the like really scary music but also like christian hardcore under oath type shit and then like scene scene shit zayo and under oath always gotta pass but not for me not for me you don't pass under oath come on early sale was good i don't care how satanic you sound sales in kind of chicks a little norma norma jeaner chiodos oh yeah okay so i'm getting i'm getting the same uh circus survive yeah all that kind of uh okay okay but but actual hardcore punk stuff too and like local bands my like in my high school did you play in any of these bands?

30:52I did not play in any. Well, there was a, there was a very charming kid in my grade in middle school whose, whose dream was to start. He was like one of the only black kids in a very white middle school. And his dream was to start a hardcore band that included everyone in the class. So this band never existed in terms of like actually playing. I think maybe one show happened. They were called the Moxie Bullets. And he basically would do Chappelle-style white voice.

31:28Jason Stewart:Wait, when you say being a band with the whole class, you mean like there's a 30-person band? Okay, so this is like Broken Social Scene, Arcade Fire vibe. Totally. But no shows, no instruments, one rehearsal. If you're in the class, you're in the Moxie Bullets. This is a pretty revolutionary idea, I have to say, maybe ahead of its time. It's tough to record. Shout out to Lawrence. Very socialist band vibes, I like it. Yeah, you would lose money touring, of course, but recording is fine. No touring enterprise there going. Sound check is a snap. Yeah. We got nothing. Easy. Yeah, I think it was more of a bonding exercise to include both cool kids and nerds into a socially engineered bonding project.

32:13Jason Stewart:I think that's amazing. That's beautiful. Back in Jason and I's day, no one wanted to do that. We were jocks versus, you know what I mean? That was our arrow. So there's a black person in school? We didn't have any of those. Yeah, we didn't have any of that either. It was half of me, but I'm so light-skinned that it barely counts. If someone says that I have a black friend and it's me, it doesn't count. No, I'm not talking about San Diego. I mean, San Diego in general. I went to a Spanish immersion school prior to that, which was 100 % POC vibes. And then I went to a white... Really? There weren't any white boys in there trying to...

32:52There were a couple of white boys getting off some, you know, tray flips and like kind of Dickies pro club vibe. Did you go through a Dickies pro club era? Oh, I'm still there. I went down the street to a local sort of convenience store in my neighborhood, and they also sell a huge, there's a huge aisle of just like pro club shirts of all sizes. So I went through a Dickies. Dickies were technically uniform friendly. Oh, compliant. Oh, for the school, for high school. Yeah, compliant. Because they're just plain pants. And for San Diego, it's like, that's perfect. Yeah, that really is. That's the official pants.

33:34Four sizes too big.

33:35Jason Stewart:It's both my uniform and my uniform Exactly Were your parents like what the hell are you doing Or did they know you had a freak flag from day one My What did they even think My mom Single mom Dad's you know Around Big air quotes occasionally Your dad was around must be nice He was around in the sense that we might be in the same state At the same time and he would call me occasionally. I wasn't able to, he didn't share his location with me, but I think he's in NorCal right now. So I think technically he's doing his job. Yeah, some people are like, where does your dad live? I'm like, I'm not positive.

34:19Has he not come out of the closet, no pun intended, since you've risen to fame and fortune? He's very proud of me and happy for me. And yeah, we just like, we have a bit of a strained relationship. but my mom's a G and she they were both jazz musicians so like oh they think all music that's not my their their their hearts are a little close to all music and culture that's not jazz or funk maybe if you're like pushing the edges of what's acceptable to listen to I'll go as far as funk yeah pretty much and they're like the Beatles the Rolling Stones they can't even play their

34:56Jason Stewart:fucking instruments like wow this is cool that's where they're okay so it's kind of so you learned about like weird time structures and signatures at an earlier age than most kids kind of but i'm like i'm like dumb i was like i'm too stupid for this it sounds hard i like that you rejected that completely in the music that you make now and that's why it's popular and that's why you're doing well you might be dumb but your fingers are not there you go there you go dummy i got enough of the musical vibe from my family to get like traumatized into like music education and being like a tight ass like did your did your mom play like was she still active when you were growing up she she kind of stopped playing when i was born uh yeah but and she also didn't want to have too she didn't play too much music around the house because she wanted me to like develop my own taste but unfortunately for her we were in san diego so my taste became like you know as a 10 year old being like early green day is fucking awesome yeah she's like oh god It turned out not how she would have liked, but that was her job as mother.

35:57Totally, totally. But I didn't listen. As a result, I was eight listening to Sade in my tape at school or whatever, which is pretty cool. But yeah, I didn't listen to any pop music. I didn't know about the Spice Girls until I was in high school. Wow, that's actually easy. I'd never listened to Britney Spears. But you watch MTV and VH1 or no? At friends' houses, my mom lied to me and said we only had PBS. and I believed her until I was 11. That's child abuse. Lock her up.

36:29Jason Stewart:That's crazy. That ain't a jazz house. PBS all 24-7. We only have PBS, sweetheart. She was like, you're watching Nova and learning about space or I don't know what you're going to do. You're reading a book? So you knew about unwritten law before the Beatles is what you're saying? Yeah, exactly. My mom is showing me Joseph Campbell like VHS tapes being like, you're gonna learn about the hero's journey. And then maybe you can watch Arthur. What did she get home before four? What did she do for a living? What did she do for a living? Arthur's the treat. Yeah. Arthur was the treat for real. She's a, she up until very recently.

37:12And she's like, she had me when she was older. She had, you know, me and, and my girlfriend, Kate, both of our moms had us when they were 43. So my mom had a full and rich life prior to me. And all I've ever known her as doing was being a house painter. She's a house painting and consulting by herself. She owns her own business. She's out there dolo painting houses, interiors, exteriors, consultations, etc. And she's also very handy. So she's like Mr. Fix-It vibes. Wow.

37:43Jason Stewart:So she'll do a little semi-gloss coat, but then take a look at that leaky faucet. She's like, you know, nothing. That honestly somehow. Duct tape can't fix. Yeah. Yeah. Somehow I'm finding a parallel between the solo work of a jazz musician and the solo work of paint. The breaststrokes of jazz are very similar. Yeah. Like the isolation is maybe what she's attracted to. Totally. Totally. Yeah. Personal exploration. Jazz is also very much. And it's also kind of meditative. Walking up and down that ladder of life. Yeah. she's very like she she's like i like being on ladders and being on roofs and you know i feel safe there yeah i don't know where my fear impulse came from probably my dad's side of the family all are like medically anxious and hypochondriacs and like neurotic don't hang out on the roof don't even go near a ladder that could take you there you must have me fucked up if you think i'm getting on that ladder i don't love a ladder either i don't have a ladder either i think I like a ladder.

38:46Jason Stewart:If a ladder is doing this, I'm okay. If a ladder is just a straight, leaned up against a wall. If it's leaning, no bueno. If we're triangling, I'll talk. All of it's a little scary. Did you play guitar first? I played classical piano from like four or five to like 10 or 11. You can't tell in the music I make. I really have scaled it back. Pun intended. But that's what I, yeah, I did that. And that was like rigorous and difficult. And I was also a little bit of like a slack off. I had like San Diego stoner energy before I ever even touched drugs. But I just understood that there had to be more to life than practicing.

39:30And it was probably hanging out with your friends and eating Mexican food.

39:34Jason Stewart:Chillaxing. Longboard, skateboard, frisbee in the park, Mexican food from Sombreros. Period. Yeah, exactly. Just because. I don't think you guys understand sort of how, like Jason's from Orange County Huntington Beach. You're from San Diego. Like the stuff that you guys were doing is so foreign to someone from Conyers, Georgia, like an after school. Like, oh, we're going to hit the beach or, you know, whatever. We're going to go. It's just obviously we're all hanging out in like parking lots and shit. Don't get me wrong. But there's a certain level of Pleasantville, California, almost no matter how much money you had because of the weather and like the overall spirit of the place that seems ideal for a kid, basically.

40:14Yeah, totally. I think it obscured the fact that I was poor for a long time because I was like, I don't know, life's pretty cool. And then you find out.

40:24Jason Stewart:I can get a bean and cheese, so I'm good. Yeah, and that's what everyone's eating. And then you turn 16 and all your friends get really nice cars and you don't. And you're like, oh, bicycle difference. You're like, I don't even get a hoopty. Yeah, I couldn't even get a Civic. All right, shit. I'm Glenn Washington, host of Snap Judgment from KQED. Every week, Snap drops you inside someone's biggest decision. The kind of decision you can only make once. With everything on the line, what do you believe? What do you want? And what would you risk to get it? Find out. Tap to listen now to Snap Judgment from KQED on Spotify.

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41:42I was thinking about that. I was like, I'm a full kind of converted Angeleno. Now I just love it. It's an actual city. San Diego is kind of like a mall, like a spread out big mall.

41:53Jason Stewart:Well, I guess you, because people, everyone says, especially people from New York, that LA is not an actual city. It's just a giant sprawling whatever. But I guess if you come from San Diego, LA is a city. And if you come from Orange County, LA is a city. Yeah, if you come from any, this is just like people from, it's like, yeah, we get it. You have buildings that go up. Ours don't go up. They go out, okay? Ours goes sideways. We're all going to survive. Like, what do you - You ever seen the Skechers Warehouse? That Skechers Warehouse is huge. One story. We're back on girth again. you guys can't help yourselves.

42:27If I have to break out the measuring tape, I'll do it. We're talking

42:32Jason Stewart:total square footage here, buddy, not height. Come on. Has anyone been to other parts of America that are definitely not cities? LA is for sure a city. There is stuff here. There's stuff to do. Just in the stuff part alone, we are a city. I think that's unfair to say about LA. I think LA is boring, but I think it's a real city. I mean, I think that's just insane to say it's not a real city. It's not approachable. It's not like user friendly. But I think if you're Southern California born and bred, it kind of just makes sense. Did you ever go through a phase where you found L.A. to be lonely? Because that's a popular critique that I hear from people that live there.

43:10I understand the critique. Maybe I just had too much motion too early on.

43:17Jason Stewart:Naomi said you're kind of asking the wrong person here. I went to college here, so I made friends. You guys went to USC? Yep. Yep. Crazy. Insane. Oh, wow. Rags to riches. Yeah, exactly. They gave me a scholarship. My mom said, bye. Yeah, go ahead. We'll see. Was it for music? No, it was not. I was fully trying to avoid doing music because I saw how hard the lifestyle was once I realized that we were broke. Well, what was the plan then? I don't really know exactly what my plan was. I basically had a, I was a narrative studies major, sorry, narrative studies major that basically kind of like the Gallatin, like the NYU Gallatin of USC.

44:01The fun, the fun school. Which is like, you are smart, we think.

44:06Jason Stewart:There's something here. There's something here. There's something here. Maybe you'll be able to figure it out. I've tangled many Gallatin graduates in my time. and it's definitely a coin flip either way. For our international listeners at home, could you guys explain this a little bit further? I guess, okay, so Gallatin specifically is the NYU School for Individualized Study. You can kind of create your own major. I will say it gets a little more, at NYU it was a little more like esoteric and kind of boundary-less. Like you can major in like - Composting. Oral histories of whatever, ancient cartography.

44:40Like it's like something so kind of just out there. Jason, it can get really, really useless because your dad's a pretty big producer and there's a job waiting for when you get back to Brentwood. Totally. It's kind of the vibe.

44:51Jason Stewart:Double major in incense studies or something? Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would have, don't even, I'm a scent person. I could have gone there so fast. Full ride. Yeah, full ride to Candle University. To Yankee U. But the USC had a program, I don't know, I hope it still exists because it was good. It was called narrative studies. And essentially it meant like, you don't have to be an English major. You can take classes in English history, psych, playwriting, film, like whatever, and kind of parlay that into any, in theory, like postgraduate studies that have to do with like, whatever you end up thinking is the coolest.

45:38I see, sure, sure.

45:39Jason Stewart:The website says stories shape how we understand the world. Yeah. And then it's just basically just - That sounds like a fucking deck I got from somebody to pitch me on something. So that's like, I like the story that's in video games or theater or anything in between. Or totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, yeah, it was like just interdisciplinary writing. Were all three of you in that program? Just a narrative person. Just me. I was in that program and then I had a double major in ethnic studies, which is where I met Katie. Because she had a minor. They let her minor in ethnic studies? Yeah. They let the cracker do it.

46:15They wouldn't let me get away with that.

46:16Jason Stewart:They see me coming like, no, bro, sorry. We don't want your money. What's your favorite ethnic that you studied? Great question. I was a... Top five ethnicities of all time. Listen, I'm half black. I gotta give it up. I was a... In ethnic studies, I did performance studies with regards to like, you know, blackness and queerness. So another like big brain postgraduate, like interdisciplinary. Lots of money to be made in that stuff. Lots of money there. So much cash. Yeah. I was like, well, it's gotta be more than jazz. I kind of wanted to work at like a museum. That was like what I love museums.

46:58And I was like, I'd love to work in a museum in some capacity, like writing the little things that go below the pictures. Sure. I mean, look, there's a job. Cha-ching. I know two different librarians. like cool downtown library. That's sick. They like work at one of them, um, works at one of the like very prestigious private schools. And it's like, from what I can tell, she's actually changing lives. You know what I mean? Like actually being like sick, putting a 16 year old onto something that's going to set their course differently. And I'm like, I forget this can actually happen. Like I, like you kind of, you become so cynical that you forget that's possible.

47:33Yeah. Reading as opposed to flavored vapes or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

47:37Jason Stewart:or maybe a little bit of both but at least there's reading yeah it might help the reading actually yeah exactly yeah so nobody told you to explore narratives you just stumbled upon that on your own i explored them instinctually i sniffed them out no it's probably that yeah my mom's showing me joseph campbell like videotapes as a child and i was like yeah no choice this is you're built for this i'm dog shit at math and and everyone was like i'm gonna be an engineer i'm gonna do x y I was like in the thick of like Obama era, like optimistic high schooler, but on the edge of like total and complete economic collapse where we still had dreams that the future was going to be like anything other than podcasting.

48:20It was a fun little three-year window. Hey, don't, hey, don't, hey, we're not catching strays. Podcasting is up. Put your bets on podcasting. Podcasting might've paid for that room you're in for all we know. I'm not sure. A hundred. I mean, come on. Yeah. Yeah, podcasting, the band's going to have to, we're going to bring it back at some point. Podcasting has better prospects than music.

48:40Jason Stewart:This is a thing that we talk about sometimes with musical guests in bands who are touring with instruments and gear and all that stuff. And then, you know, I'm always like, you know, maybe start DJing instead. It's like the cross between podcasting and being in a band. Yeah, DJing. You're making people just as happy. You're splitting the money with nobody. there's no you show up and you just read the number one job in music is songwriter producer i mean that's the number one if you can be a successful songwriter and you don't care about touring you get all the money you get all the access you don't have to tour that's the dream i feel bad for i i wish songwriters could get flat fees in the same way that like producers can because the producer can be like yeah you want me to make your record that's gonna cost to x y and z but songwriters it's like you could be working with the hottest shot and it's like well we'll see if we get you paid we hope and they have to hustle super hard produce producing is like producing is if you can if you have the work ethic which i'm i i'm trying to foster in myself we're working on working on it but yeah that's a that's a that's a solid one and then you can like yeah you can have a you can turn your adu into a studio exactly people over and drink yerba mate and you know just crank this stuff out it can be a good time i'll just get it going yeah i'm the the dj thing might be a might be a fun one to get into um i lived in a in an art house in college and i would often i was into uh making chopped and screwed remixes so that's the extent of my djing knowledge my brother come on chopped and slopped you and i were probably making chopped not slop remixes at the same time you were in college i was 30 yeah hey hey peaks and troughs chop chop not slop doesn't know age jason that was chopping this because chop not slop i feel like that became part of the public canon because of drake is that fair to say maybe i would almost say on a large scale on a large it was kind of like yeah before that it was maybe like the the like clams casino yeah i feel like there was like a lot of like little b like chopped and screwed stuff slim k was like one who was a big one on dat piff you could get like but yeah the drake chopped and screwed remixes of like take care i think went pretty crazy that was i feel like that was a lot of people's first exposure to that texas like that shit at all oh this is cool yeah my my first exposure was the t-pain song chopped and screwed with it with a k that one's a little on the nose it's a little you're saying it put you on to the terminology i'm not familiar with the I got further into the lore.

51:21That's beautiful.

51:22Jason Stewart:DJ Screw was Chopped and Screwed, and then the Chop Stars did Chop Not Slop, like OG Ron C. He had to plant his sloppy flag as well. Yep. But yeah, I mean, I don't know how, I don't know my first Chopped and Screwed song. It must, you know. Yours was definitely some real, like, Houston shit, because it was 2006 or whatever. I was on Soul Seek in 2006. Sick. Like accessing burned CDRs that I should not have access to at that time. That was a better time. I feel like that was the prime time of like, sort of like social media wasn't totally ruining your attention span, but YouTube was there with every lesson you could possibly learn.

52:03And if you had the wherewithal to seek it out,

52:06Jason Stewart:if you wanted to find it, it was there. Not just like, oh, I'm a DJ now because a video popped up on my phone showing me how to... The alg wasn't as primo sort of targeted at your base instance. Well, you said you were taking a break. I feel like you do this pretty often, or you try to do this pretty often. My current... Oh, my social media break. This one's for real, guys. It's for real. It's happening. Are you using a brick, or is this raw dog? I try to do it. So this is particularly Instagram and being a voyeur on Reddit. I'm trying to give up. I can't give up YouTube. That's really, that's where the podcasts are.

52:49Well, are you watching like Theo Vaughn or what are you doing on YouTube? Imagine.

52:54Jason Stewart:Would you watch podcasts, not listen? I do both. Okay. I listen to, I follow a couple of like news, kind of like YouTubes, like that guy, Chris Hedges. He has some good stuff and Dropsite News I'll watch. and then I'll watch like roundups of Hassan Piker's stream on YouTube. I'll listen to those at the gym. I listen to Stavi's podcast. Love him. Piker roundups at the gym? Yeah. Wow, you're more Republican than Chris. Can you imagine? Using the Jeff, are we all using the Jeff Nippert app? Do we fuck with that shit? It's pretty solid. I don't know what that is. I've never used, I don't know who that is.

53:37I'm giving him free clout, but listen, it's that good. Jeff Nippert is a weightlifting, He's a kind of like Implicitly not Not like incel Style lifter He's like A short Cute all natty Bodybuilder Canadian

53:59Jason Stewart:Is it nippers with an s at the end? Nippered Even stranger Nippered Jeff Nippard Okay I'm back And yeah, he has like, it's pretty fun. He has a lot of videos of like, have you ever thought that maybe you're doing this exercise all wrong? If you want to be this most jacked person in the universe, that's kind of his vibe. I see he's doing an S tier ranking of saunas, cold plunges, foam rollers, et cetera, et cetera. He does shit like that. I'm sure that one video alone has more views than I will get in my entire life. That does sound pretty good. It's honestly sick. He's a competitive weightlifter or this is his hobby?

54:42He's a former competitive weightlifter, bodybuilder. He's on that like spectrum of sort of weightlifting, but not like looks maxing toxic vibe. Yeah. He kind of has a, he has a very like gentle soy, like nice vibe. Okay. And he developed a really incredible workout app. And you use the app at the, like this is what you're using to train. I use the app. Yeah. Macro factor workouts tracker? Yep, that's the one. Because you're in pretty good shape. This is something you've dedicated yourself to. I'm trying. See, I'm always doing something. Whether or not what I'm doing is optimal is what I'm trying to figure out with this app.

55:26Sure. I get that. You know, that's where I'm at. I'm in a place now where I'm spamming buys and delts trying to get horizon level. you're trying to get bring me the horizon level delts how how often how often are you in the lab let's say we're not on tour are we every day basically no well i used to okay so this is this is where this is where jeff nippert and the damn app comes in um okay and also he just has like good workout programs that you can find for free on reddit period and you can upload those to the app and then it tracks your progress and it like automatically update updates your like oh you

56:07Jason Stewart:should be doing for promo code mooma from moona sign up first month free on the macro fast tracker come on yeah shit i'm doing giving him so much fucking no this is good the last episode we were giving people free game about dog psychics now we're getting macro tracking workouts this is part of our service yeah are you how serious are you about your like are you crazy about your diet um not as much as one could be i try not to get too like tripped up and toxic about it because i also travel so much it's like how much can i actually control yeah kind of like i'm not gonna bring a scale with me to a restaurant like it's too crazy that's the thing about this that jason i always talk about this it's like i could go zero dark 30 but i have a life yeah you live life yeah i can't there's only so much i'm going to be able to do as a person who has a social life and a job Yeah, yeah, exactly.

57:00You do what you, yeah, I'm a gourmand, you know, coming from my humble roots to now being in a place where I can order appetizers at restaurants, you know, I'm like, oh, shit. Shit, I can get the blooming onion and a steak? So you are a gourmand. Yeah, exactly.

57:17Jason Stewart:I don't want to know what the house account is looking like at McCall's every month, but it's probably... We're running up tabs at McCall's and Cookbook. If you're not doing that in LA, I mean... And we know about Kate's produce upbringing, of course, her green market upbringing. Her farm upbringing. Yeah, although we're in shambles over here about this new stomach virus, and it's eliminating a lot of things from the diet that I would consider, for me, personal staples. I had a salad for lunch today, man. Fuck y 'all. I'm fine. You don't care. I'm going to figure it out. You're yoloing. Yeah, I went to this bowl.

57:49Jason Stewart:Well, Chris, you're not in a food desert. It's different. But I mean, it does say... It's true. Even if it's washed, all fresh produce gives you explosive diarrhea. is that what's happening? Yeah, and all I'm seeing are pictures of green onions, cilantro, and raspberries, like things I eat every single day. I saw somebody posted a Fresh Direct thing where strawberries were$0 because they wanted to get rid of them. Holy fuck. It's a produce purge. You just put them in your freezer for a couple weeks and then hope they die. I feel like the produce that I'm eating is not part of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

58:22Jason Stewart:I'd like to think. I mean, Jason, you go to Ralph's. I don't know what you're buying there, but I'd like to think it's not the rocket but I don't know in a pinch there's better produce at Ralph's than at Whole Foods I've talked about this before I would agree with that I'm just saying I think any mass sold produce is maybe at risk is what I'm trying to say it's not good you can see what's local luckily I picked my own I know exactly where it's coming from from my roof garden you and Flynn McGarry go to Connecticut take the Volvo to Connecticut and just pick are you going to eat all those radishes Chris?

58:56I don't think so. Classic. Okay, so you're eating like a normal person. Yeah, I'm eating like a normal person. I like to go out to eat. It's one of the only luxuries that money really can change in your life is having excellent food. So that's one of my things that I enjoy. But yeah, I'm working out. Now I'm doing a thing where I'm working out four days a week and I'm lifting heavy. And fewer reps, lifting heavier. That's where I'm at now. We'll see where that gets me. That's a very popular line of thinking right now. It's sort of like eight reps maxing out instead of 12 or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

59:30I was on the 12 to 15 for a while and I was just spending two hours in the gym every day and it's not sustainable. It's too insane. Well, how do you, because you guys have been on tour recently, right? Yeah, we were gone. Or is it starting? We had a little mini like release month tour in May and then we're doing summer festivals, but full tour doesn't start until the fall.

59:52Jason Stewart:There's a string of pride dance parties as well. Yeah, we have some pride-related dance parties that we got up to in June, hosted by other people. It only makes sense if you're making pride-related dance music, why wouldn't you? They give us one month to do what we want. Hey, in my life, y 'all motherfuckers run it. So I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're going to do. You're lucky we're letting you come on the pod two weeks after, but that's how much we love you. Yeah, exactly. We were trying to work it in, but it wasn't. We moved some things around. We're trying to, yeah, yeah.

1:00:22Lindsey Graham dying extended pride month.

1:00:27like the hedgehog yeah lindsey graham dying and then the release of maddie's secret we've got it did it all we're stretching pride one oh one two points right summer i was i was

1:00:36Jason Stewart:actually speaking of of lesbian dance music please that that scene in maddie's in maddie's secret where they're they're in that dance studio and they do such a good job of encapsulating that 1989 it's vaguely like Puerto Rican and Dominican but every race and culture is there and they're all together but it's being led by a Dominican or a Puerto Rican energy very New York kind of dance 90s it's a New Yorican flavor tour half the people there are wearing really outfits that you've never seen before you know what I mean new kinds of clothes New kinds of clothes Yeah, new kinds of queer clothing Yeah, yeah Because it has to be breathable But also fierce Yeah It's a fine line I didn't have a question I didn't have a question at all Just an observation on the film I just thought But I just thought That it did such a good job Of that energy That we haven't seen Since like a Paula Abdul music video Or whatever You know what I mean?

1:01:39Jason Stewart:Totally But listening to the new album Paula Abdul energy There's not not Paula Abdul energy There are orchestral stabs from an 80s synthesizer that might be seen on opposites of tracks. You gotta love a Korg Triton and getting involved in some... You and Dr. Dre love those Korg Triton presets, huh? And you went to USC where the Dr. Dre wing of I Didn't Kill Tupac was built 10 years ago. I was there just as it was finishing. and the way that it, well, if I had been paying for this school, I'd be pissed because the construction that was going on on campus was so, forgive my language, fugly the entire time that we were there.

1:02:28It was just hideous. And now, yeah, I went back to do something to drop in on a friend's class and now they have a Trader Joe's across the street. We didn't have that. So now everyone there, the University of Spoiled Children just got even more spoiled. oh i haven't heard that before that's some real locals only stuff okay i mean it is a trader joe's

1:02:48Jason Stewart:not a meadow lane but yeah we're you know yeah somewhere it's not lazy acres but yeah you could do something with that well all right so you're going you're doing the full tour in the fall then so you've got a little you're hanging out full tour and we're gonna try to advance the gyms we're gonna figure out where the gyms are at where we got free passes going uh one of the best stories bodybuilders on with us one of the best stories that's ever been told in this podcast was johnny Resnick from Goo Goo Dolls saying that he his tour manager has the gym and the Whole Foods in a map for him and they have a rental car ready when the bus gets to the venue he's living my dream he gets in the rental car and goes to Whole Foods he goes to the gym and then goes to Whole Foods and then comes back for sound check wow and he was like that's just what I had to do I had to like I had to once that you know we could I had to I had to do it I was like that is oh totally pretty unbelievable just what I do in our situation we're kind of just gathering the closest lime Lime Glide or whatever the new tech that they're rolling out is and going to, you know, 24-hour fitness that we can sneak into easily.

1:03:49It seems like this record's being very well received. You know, who knows? Like, I mean, yeah, I think so. But also, it's just hard when all of our algorithms are so personally catered to us that who knows who's hearing what or who's seeing what. the tour is selling fine. Everyone can come out to a show. Everyone's welcome. Straight guys are welcome. Oh, thank God. We're doing a straight pod right now. This is to sell tickets in some cities.

1:04:20Jason Stewart:Not everyone thinks we're a straight pod. Ask our straight friends. Yeah, the straight people don't think it's a straight pod. That's the problem. That's the problem. Oh, they don't. Oh, okay. What is the straight feedback? Not enough like medical sort of exploration into peptides are peppers no i think like doomsday peppers peppers people call peptides peppers see that's how straight we are i heard that yesterday and it did make me want to unalive myself yeah that's the unalive stuff right there that's that's that's unalive peppers is tough i i think that i think that you're right about the algorithm i just think that sometimes it's like like i was i was for i the first we saw you guys play at newport that's the first time i'd ever i mean i was aware and i I was like, I don't know if this is for me.

1:05:03And you guys did rock. And I was impressed. Even if all that, it doesn't matter if the music is for you, as long as you think we're cool, chill guys. That's all that matters. But the show, I was like, wow, this is a good show. This is like fun to watch.

1:05:18Jason Stewart:It did seem very cool and chill. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. And that's what you were giving off, you know, from the stage, from on high. Okay, great. Newport for us was sort of a hysterical foray into, we're so used to our sort of like light show ass, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rock and roll going on the stage feeling that it, you know, full daylight in Rhode Island. Wasn't hitting the same daylight in, you know, the real, real Dries Van Noten and a Prada polo just doesn't feel right. Well, that's what I was saying. I was like, damn, these motherfuckers are swagged out up here. I tell you what, nobody else looks like this.

1:06:00No one else looks like this. Newport Folk was below you. We do get best fit checks at Newport Folk. No, it was not below us. It was just a different world. It's a different world. I loved it. I had the best time, and it's not my world. I mean, it is my world musically, like what I actually like, but the vibe in theory isn't. But there's something so charming about it that you're kind of like disarmed. Yeah, and everyone is just kind of outside hanging out, and you're like, oh, there's like Buck from Big Thief. That's cool. Yeah, it doesn't feel like when we were at Lollapalooza. I just remember at Lollapalooza last year, we were like doing our thing on this little stage with the Dare.

1:06:35And then he was going to be role model Sally on like the main stage. Sure. So he was like, come with me. And so we get on the golf cart with him and his tour manager or whatever. And they open the gates. And it's like more people I've ever seen in my life. I had no idea what was going on. I had no idea how many people were there and how crazy it was. It's shocking to me that people enjoy music festivals. Now, this is not to say that I don't want them to come. if I'm playing. But it's definitely a tough... I don't like situations that could set you up for both crowd crush and resource shortage.

1:07:12Yeah, yeah. Like, I don't like going out and having a hard time finding water. Yeah, you know how... You were probably in a Warped Tour in 08. That shit was dangerous. Basic survival issues are being prioritized more so. I was at Warped Tour 08 in San Diego and I did get... uh i i was it there that i yeah i got swept into a circle pit of a band i had no idea who they were it was the scariest music i've ever heard in my life you gotta be careful and someone was just like run so yeah running in the circle pit until it stopped and kind of calmed down get out before the wall of death you know go over and see four years strong a grown man jumps on your shoulder and off of your head.

1:07:54I'm like 14. You're dehydrated. All they got is monster energy. There's no water. There's no water there.

1:08:01Jason Stewart:Before you got swole and had your squat. It was a different time. Yeah, I was but a shrimp. But a shrimp. It was a different time. But a shrimp. Well, lastly, before we let you go, speaking of McCall's, are you familiar with the hand wash called Naomi? I'm not. Wow. I'm familiar with the street in Burbank. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. Not the hand wash. You've stolen that sign for a couple apartments, I'm sure. I was there like a month or two ago, and just on the little ledge full of their knickknacks by the cash register, there's a little thing of hand wash, and it's like... Interesting.

1:08:34Jason Stewart:It has the little scrubbers in it that Aesop used to have. It's like artisanal, all natural, but it's affordable. It's not expensive. Before Aesop sold to L 'Oreal or wherever they sold to. But also the little micro thingies they used, we're saying it was bad for the environment. It was like clogging shit up. They're saying this is bad. They're saying it's not biodegradable or something like that. You're saying a$75 hand wash had something bad about it? I didn't. Who would have thought? Every bottle had 3 trillion microplastic balls in it that are forever chemical. It does feel like my... That's why I don't drink boba.

1:09:07Jason Stewart:It feels like microplastics to me. I mean, big plastic straw, big plastic cup with the plastic lid that you have to poke through to suck up the plastic. It makes you think. It's a lot of plastic. We don't need boba that much. But anyway, I think the Naomi folks listen to the pod. The Naomi heads. We'll get a case out to the house for you guys. We'll get a case. We'll do a nude photo shoot. There you go. And congratulations on Playboy. I know we got to go, but congratulations on Playboy. You guys look great. Thank you. I had to whip the titties out for something. You did have to whip the titties out.

1:09:38Let's get the girls out, yeah. I've gotten more jacked since then. Don't judge my gains from that photo. It was an off day for me. We had M Cafe, you know.

1:09:47Jason Stewart:I know. Okay, so you're saying Playboy, that's just chapter one. That's chapter one. I was hoping you did the Trey songs where you did 100 push-ups right before the shutter gets clicked. You're running back. You're running in a little sweat just to keep it going, keep the look going. That's a huge move. Yeah, me fake counting like it's Anchorman counting to 100. 98, 99. What are you guys doing there? Yeah, exactly. You guys ready? Are we talking Atwater McCall's? Which one are we talking? Oh, nice. I would never go to Venice. Well, I've got business over there. Okay. I need to head back. Pop over there, get a little gluten-free roast beef sammy, get some hand scrub, and get a nice piece of fruit.

1:10:24Jason Stewart:Life is too good for you guys. I can't wait to be in LA this week. It feels good, brother. It feels good. It does feel good. All right. Thank you for joining us. It's good to see you. The album is out now everywhere. Album installs. It's out now, but we're not here to do promo. We're here to have straight fun. Exactly. We did do that. We did do that. Fuck yeah. The tour is on sale. Get your tickets wherever tickets are sold. And hopefully we see you soon. See you at the fucking gym, bro. Yeah, absolutely. I'll see you at the gym, bro. Please. Fuck yeah. See you at...

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