974. - Brandon Flowers

28:08And one song stops, and there's a little bit of applause, and I can hear someone speaking. I mean, not even a question in my mind. It is Neil Tennant. He has the most unmistakable voice. His singing is how he speaks almost. Maybe I didn't treat you quite as good as I should. And I was just 22 years old, and I was just like, this is so wild. You know, we're in England and I'm in London and I'm staying at the Columbia Hotel. Oasis has a song about this hotel. I'm playing in bars that Blur launched. You know, that was the first bar that Blur played in. And I'm at a gig and I'm standing next to Neil Tennant.

28:49And I was just like, I always talk about Cloud Nine. Like, I was amazing. You made it, mama. You're like, I think this music thing's for me. You know, I think this could be the right.

28:58Jason Stewart:It would be cool to watch Lady Tron in 2002 or something like that, I guess. you know something like that yeah with with the killers and the pet shop boys in a you know 400 cop room yeah the walls are dripping with cocaine i'm sure what a time yeah this is different what do you think what do you think what was going on why do you think england embraced you guys first i mean obviously there's a history of that because they have better taste than we do and i think we can all agree on the on the podcast that's the case but what do you think it was about the killer specifically that resonated yeah the music that we that is associated with us and that we were raised on was from over there and i think that there's just something yeah i think they just recognized that that that uh those sensibilities in our music and it just it was it was a big part of our sound i think it and i think they just i think they've just always they have such an appreciation for music made with guitars kind of is what i think of like i don't think like i think we're moving back to that now in american popular music like it's it's happening again which is good timing for you um but i think that they have that history of just like that was the most popular music you know from the rolling stones to oasis to you know stone roses to whatever you know it's it they should somebody should make a i don't know if there's been some kind of documentary on it too just the music that comes from there and that's come from there and you like you think about okay well liverpool what what came from liverpool and what came from manchester then you go there and you realize those towns are like they're like 20 miles away from each other you know you think about these you think about them as these like crazy different cultural centers you like it's like a hop skip and a jump away from each other it's new york and new jersey yeah it is it's really crazy i mean i think there's all those factors when scenes pop up you know it's like weather and timing and you know like did somebody move from a different city and introduce you know it's it's a very there's so many factors that go into it to make the tornado how happened.

30:48They got something in them.

30:48Jason Stewart:But also those, the early killers records, you know, a lot of little Korg synths and things like that, which at that time was just, every band had to have that and it didn't always work out so well. But you guys always rode the line where the little stab was exactly what you needed, not too much. Yeah, it was. Not like the bravery. Well, the Korg, you know, that Korg was like, it cost 350 bucks. Everyone had one. The micro Korg. So it was, that was just the go-to too, because it was, you know, this really cool throwback, kind of a throwback analog vibe, and it was cheap and affordable, and so I just, I jumped on it.

31:25Plug it into a guitar amp? Yeah, why not? I mean, I feel like you had it, yeah, do you still have it set up? I mean, I've seen you guys play a lot, and I feel like you would have the glowing K, and that is where the Korg is hidden, correct? On top, yeah. So I got a, it's a Nordly 2 on the bottom, and then the Korg above it and i we just recently switched uh to uh to something with bigger keys because it has those little keys yeah and i'd you know you like watch a festival playback and you can it's like you're my finger slips on a little key or something i'm just like i gotta stop this i gotta just i gotta

31:58Jason Stewart:get some grown-up keys on and it's hard not to get the one with the reverse keys where they're black and instead of white and those ones you know they look cool but they get even trickier to play are you watching are you watching game are you watching game tape like that like do you watch a set if there's like a real recording of it to see how you did sometimes yeah sometimes yeah and and i just kept noticing that if i met you know if it's wet if it's a little bit sweaty on stage those little keys just are unforgiving when we're down in brazil maybe you know get something with a thicker one yeah yeah sao paulo i guess speaking of kind of synth synth um inspired punky kind of vibes i was when i was listening to tiger blood it was like some of the chord progression was reminding me of boys of summer which was then reminding me of the atari's cover of boys of summer are you familiar with this yes but the line about uh i saw a black flag sticker on a cadillac could fit right in with the lines about Mortal Kombat and Swisher Sweets.

33:11Jason Stewart:You know what I mean? It's sort of like the modern, you know, going down to the old arcade to play a little Mortal Kombat. But I just wanted to talk about the Atari's version of that song. That's all, really.

33:24You fit it in. You fit it in.

33:26Jason Stewart:But that song, have you noticed that that song has a structure that reminds you of that song, Boys of Summer? It's the way that the chorus starts. There's a space, you know, the one hits, and then when I come in singing, it's very similar to the time when Henley would have come in singing about Ray-Bans. Yeah. But that was unintentional, or was that an intentional tip of the cap to Mr. Don? I think there are things that, I think there are songs that just are embedded in your psyche and that come out in certain ways. and then you have to deal with it, like either throw it away or embrace it or find a way to hide it.

34:09Hide that you're stealing a little bit. Or if it works really well, call your lawyer. He'll come for you. Freaking Henley, though. Henley don't mess around. Oh, really? He'll come and have people, I think. Don's litigious. Yeah, he's wild about filming at their shows and things like that anyway. But he's written some... Man, his catalog is amazing. Amazing repertoire.

34:31Jason Stewart:He could do whatever he wants. He could ask to put your phone in the bag. doesn't matter don he's just that good you guys never do any phone phone-less shows do you no we haven't we haven't gone there uh but i don't know i don't know i don't know if it'll maybe it'll take on there's there's people starting to do it more and more is it a thing that you that annoys you do you wish people didn't have their phones out filming the whole time yeah i think it would be i think it would be a better experience for everyone if if they were down if if the arms were down and freed up. What is, what is your relationship to the, I imagine you're not really on social media at this point.

35:06Yeah. I, I, I, I look at it a little bit. I don't, I don't have an account, but I, I go on, I'll go on Reddit until it makes me get in and it'll make you get an account. And then I get on it for a month and then I'm like, hate myself and get off. I just like the cycle of Reddit. What are you looking at? What are you looking at on Reddit? Like, like nerd shit like music like like i don't yeah it's just you know it develops its own whatever the feed it's given you i have to look at mine right now it's i got i started again in england and so now mine is like is it uk centric feed okay because i was over there when i started it i didn't know it did that so it's so i'm still getting like uk information more you can geo targeted you read it's geo targeted you would think you would be able to figure it out by now

35:50Jason Stewart:that you're not in London anymore. Yeah, what is your relationship with London now? Like, could you live there if it came down to it? Do you really like it? I like it. I like it. Yeah, it does feel like a second home and England in general. And so I actually go, me and my family will go on vacation to the countryside in the UK. Of course. And I do love it out there. It's like going back in time, man. I love it. It really is. But isn't that just kind of like if Utah was in England? There's no mountain. I was just in Midland, Utah. Midway? Midway, sorry, Midway. Midway. What were you doing in Midway?

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38:16I'm not just going to social media. I'm looking at hard data on the World Wide Web.

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41:19Yeah, no, Midway is, and there's this, that Wasatch mountain range is beautiful, so they call it the Wasatch Front, all the towns that are built along it, on the west side of it, but on the east side of the Wasatch back is where Midway is, and man, there's this mountain called Timpanogos, and so in Heber, and Midway, and all these places, they have the view, the back view of Timpanogos, and it is, it's like so gorgeous. It's like, that's Robert Redford territory, you know, and all that. When did you guys move back to Utah? It's already been eight years ago, yeah. So you were in Vegas or L.A., and then you went back to Utah?

41:56Vegas, Vegas, yeah. What do your kids like more? I think they're starting to really just feel like Utahns. Your plan worked? Your plan worked? Well, I never thought I would leave Las Vegas. It defined me. And the desert. And I remember talking to Jimmy Kimmel because he grew up there, too. how can I say this now you guys got me too you guys got me my guard down anyway I said I was worried

42:23Jason Stewart:if you're worried about saying something wrong I could cut anything no it's okay no it's nothing bad it's nothing too bad I just said you know I'm worried about moving I said what will my you know this is my roots this is where my family's from the way I talk the way I walk what will my kids be if we move and he goes normal

42:46Jason Stewart:also utah you know it's a it's a 27 minute flight away if you want to ever go bop over how long does it take to drive from vegas to salt lake it's not that long right no it takes about five hours in the you know the 80s it was when the speed limit was 55 it would have taken seven hours it is 80 it's 80 miles an hour now at the speed limit for most of the way which is wild do you like that man i don't know i do you think it's a little too fast i i know i sound like an Oh, man, but it does feel fast because you feel like you got to go 85. It feels fast. You know, at least. And there's people just...

43:18Jason Stewart:You got to get your pound of... Okay, well, do you have a Tesla? I don't have a Tesla. Okay. What is that? I was just saying, you could set it and forget it, you know? Oh, yeah. Read a book. If we're all being honest, if it says 80, I'm touching 95. You know, I'm getting closer to 100 if I can. Oh, wait, didn't you mention a Model X Tesla in one of the songs on the album? I do mention that, yeah. What's your connection to the X? well that's the one that has the sick doors that open up right yeah well in that particular moment it's it's elvis is in is driving yes and i like that he's picking me up he's picking me up it's sort of a little bit of a a fever dream situation and that's it you know and and i imagine that the the leather seats are jet black 68 come back you know the same as his suit i just love that imagery I love that imagery I like the image of Elvis There's no gold, it's just black Just nice jet black Elvis Yeah, most handsome of Elvis When he peaked, yeah The way we'd like to remember him Well, I guess in that fever dream Sense of thinking Now that this is a solo country record Do you feel like you're able to Become more of a different character Easier than With the Killers?

44:37I feel like what's funny is it's a step away from that thing and it's actually more i feel like i'm more myself you know this is more me this is more because you know the showman plays himself right yeah the showman and the and and and all of that that that's that comes along with that with the with the killer's territory and this feels a little bit more me paired back i just feel like i know you're a big bowie guy and you know he was the he was one of the greats of sort of shape-shifting depending on the ultimate chameleon yeah i think that's sort of a lost art in some ways you know i think that like very few

45:11Jason Stewart:people are doing that now because they must just doja cat now who's doing it yeah there's yeah there's nobody left there's nobody left when you radiohead used to do it right yeah i mean like people do it but it's it just feels like there was a whole you know there's a new image the pictures look different the the music sounds different like but if it's coming from david bowie it's david bowie you know that's only one bowie a century if you're if you're if you're that powerful it doesn't matter what your suit looks like it's still going to be you you know yeah so when you left vegas did you feel torn about it like were you ready or were you were you really worried about your identity yeah i was it was i you know we've talked about this a little bit but it was i moved we moved for my wife because is she from utah no she's from las vegas okay okay And she had a different experience with the town than I had.

46:01And so she wanted out of there. She had a normal response to it, as people would say. She said, oh, it's 120 here every day. I got it. So it was like, it was just the right thing to do. Damn, you sound like men. I love that all married guys are the same. No matter what we do for a living, it's like, you know, it was the right thing to do. It was the right thing to do. No, it is. No, it is true because it was great for my sons. You know, two, three boys. You can't avoid the things that come along with that town. You can't avoid it. I sing about coming across these papers in An American Dream with the women with the blurred out crotches and stars for nipples.

46:41And it's like, that's just a callback to being five years old. When I was little, I would find these ads for hookers in my backyard, blowing around like tumbleweeds. and it's like that's not a normal thing for for kids to you know in your backyard you're like no no for my my backyard we didn't have a we didn't have a yard it was dirt it was the desert my backyard was the desert so that we didn't have a wall yet so if i opened up the sliding glass door it was to the desert and and so there would be these creosote bushes this is a real prevalent bush in in the southwest in the mojave desert and it's an amazing bush it's a it's a it when it rains.

47:22Sensational bush, what did I tell you? But listen, when it rains, it omits the scent. And some people hate it, and some people love it. And I'm one of the people that I love it. And you can buy it. You should try this. You guys can buy a bushel of it, and they'll send it to you. And you put it in your shower, and so it opens up. And the fragrance opens up when the water hits it. Like a eucalyptus style, but different. Yeah, and you'll be in the Mojave Desert with me, and it's amazing. Can you give me, what's the name of it again?

47:52Jason Stewart:I'm going to look it up right now. It's called Creosote. No need to tell me how to spell that one. I've got it. C-R-E-T. Oh, shit. I nailed it. C-R-E-O. Okay, you got it. You're like, babe, we can move back to Utah, but I just need the bushes in every bathroom and we'll be set. No, it's kind of nice. So my wife, actually, it's like a sweet thing that she'll do every now and then. I'll get in the shower and she will have bought a little bushel of that. So you turn the water on and I'm home. That is nice. That's very nice. That's very nice. That's very nice. do you now do your sons are they at the age where they think you're cool or are you still like dad it's i've been we've been really lucky they don't you know they've never been uh you know recoiled from it or been embarrassed by it okay um sure i get wind a little bit of you know things they might you know they might get a crack made at them or something at school every now and then you know mr bright side or something i don't know and it's like but it's uh but they're doing great Right.

48:44And they are, they seem to be proud of me. And it's just like a beautiful thing. That is nice. Cause I feel like we hear so many different, when we talk to people with kids on the show, we hear so many different things of like, once they figured out I could give them Sabrina Carpenter tickets, they were nice to me again, type shit. You know what I mean? Like they, they, they realized that dad had some power that could benefit them. Yeah, I do. I have one who's a soccer fanatic. And so we got, we got asked to play that UEFA match in Budapest. Yeah. And man, it was, he was on like cloud nine. Like Henry came, Henry and Ammon came and we got to, he had to have a card signed by David Beckham and I think he was just like in heaven.

49:24Yeah, I mean, that's as good as it gets if you're a kid. You know, that's as good as it gets. Did you guys go to any World Cup games? No, but we watched them. And it was, he's brought that into our, he brought, you know, before I would never have watched that stuff. So it was a fun thing to get involved in. I agree. So you're taking this thing on the road, and I can imagine you're used to a certain level, let's say, of touring. This will not be it. Yeah, I imagine we're going to have to dial it back just a little bit for the solo tour. How are you feeling about that? Because this is coming soon.

49:57This is coming soon. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's funny. When I was younger, the buses, I slept all right on the buses. They may have been the things that I was doing before I went to bed. I don't know what was going on. Yeah, sure. I don't sleep so great on the buses anymore, and it feels like you're going to crash all the time. That would suck a lot. Yeah, you know, and so it's, yeah, I don't know. I'll be all right. I'll live. I've made it through before, but hotels may not be as nice. Oh, come on, come on. It's going to be fine.

50:27Jason Stewart:You could do a hybrid style tour where, you know, certain things might come out of pocket. You're doing okay. I think that you're not at the point where you want to fly to every show. You want to feel like you're on tour. You want to be on the bus. Yeah, and we have some rituals or traditions that I really look forward to revisiting. Like on a day off going to a park, we'll go to a place where people camp. And we'll barbecue and go running and things like that. And it's like that stuff, I've stopped doing that as the touring has gotten kind of more grandiose. yeah and so i'm looking forward to having some of those moments that is nice i have to say is it the same now are these is this new since you did the last solo tours is this new new new band or some of the same guys a few of the same same and then some new some fresh blood some fresh we're gonna make them clean the grills we got muskrat on the steel muskrat on the steel that's that sound and he's so good his name's brady his name's brady and it's funny he's he's from las vegas but he's like fully he's fully ingratiated into the country world that goes by muskrat and he's really great really great i love the idea of like all right i gotta change this brady's not cutting it we're going muskrat for the for the foreseeable future i hired steel gun the name's muskrat snake on the base are there any non-animals in the band are you the only guy with a regular name no we got some regular speaking speaking of um you know starting and playing in smaller venues compared to what you're normally used to two questions when's the last time you opened for someone damn i don't know i was hoping this was going to be the answer it probably was the we you know we opened for the pixies what year though brandon what year 2005 or something

52:28Jason Stewart:Sick. So isn't that a cool thing that you haven't opened for anyone in 20 years? Yes. Okay, that was just one part of it. The other part, I was thinking, you know, if you were to sort of start maybe playing shows where you were opening for other people on tour, I would like it to go like this. Brandon Flowers opens, Father John Misty Middle, Lana Del Rey headline. What do you think? Not too bad. Not too bad. it's a good bill it's a good bill i'd pay for that i just you know and not it's not a humiliation ritual for you to open for these people but it is a it's some it's like a perverted thing that i would like to see you know what i mean he wouldn't know those both of them are have strong aesthetics though both have strong aesthetics good writing that's true and um what what's his tillman tillman is he's josh i've been around him a couple of times and was pleasant oh he's one of greats yeah he's one of the greats very smart well i mean i know you've also gotten the i mean i've seen you know you guys had johnny marr like i've seen you johnny marr opened and then you know he would come out you guys would do the smith shit together yeah and i feel like i feel like the look on your face is is is like it's in fact it's like wow this is really the whole point like this is the craziest shit that's ever happened to you no matter how what you've done before that yeah some of that stuff you forget because they broke up they they broke up before they toured the last record so i didn't even i didn't even that didn't like register with me when we were we would i chose a song to do with him from that last record yeah and it was the first time he'd played it live and it was like whoa this is just a song to me this is just a you know one of the great songs of all time and you just assume that he that they took you know you forget that they didn't tour it And so having some of those moments was really wild.

54:15That is crazy. Yeah, that's really crazy. I feel like he's been on the show before, and I just feel like he has such a great attitude for a guy that's been doing it this long, and there's been so many ups and downs with the Morrissey of it all that I feel like he's really come out the winner as far as that whole game goes. And he stays so positive. I have a funny Johnny Marr story. I got this record gifted to me. It was the first Smiths record. And it was signed, this guy is such a nice guy that's been following us since we were opening for British Sea Power in like 2004 in England. And he comes to all the gigs, and he's just a music fan.

54:51And he is gifting me this record, the Smiths vinyl, that was signed by all of them at a record store in 1981. Shit. And it was just such a nice gift. And I show it to Johnny, and he goes, that's not my signature. and and it's like and we give him a marker and he signs right next to his name it's identical it's it absolutely was so now i have it signed twice by johnny mark oh another crazy sorry i'll tell you another johnny mark story he has he's looking for he's looking for uh a rickenback for guitar like he like he used to play because we were going to play a couple of these smith songs on the road so he's like i want to get this guitar that i record these songs with and there's a guy the owner of one of his previous guitars.

55:39So it's, you know, this is a Johnny Marr played guitar and it's signed by Johnny Marr. And this, he hunts the guy down. The guy delivers it to him and is happy to, you know, get paid to get it and to give the guitar back. Yeah, and just hanging out with him for a second. He just wipes, he uses some alcohol and wipes his signature off and just plugs it in and starts playing. Pretty cool. Another cool Johnny Marr story. That's really funny. All right, thanks, bro. cashes on the table pulls the alcohol out

56:08Jason Stewart:yeah he I just saw that he was selling a bunch of his old guitars he was auctioning them off did you see that no I didn't see that it was a lot yeah it was I mean he's got too much I feel like it's one why do you think he would do that as someone who might have a collection of instruments as well yeah I don't I think maybe it could just be he's just over he's just overflowing yeah he got too many that's what I was gonna I mean is the missus saying we gotta clear out the basement or something I'd like it to be something like that yeah I've never collected a lot I've never I never learned how to record and I don't, so I don't have a lot of, I don't even have, I don't have any synths laying around.

56:40Really?

56:41Jason Stewart:So you just call the guy and say, let's go, let's go record for an hour. I have a piano. Yeah. I have a piano at home and I'll just make voice notes. And then when I have a song ready, I'll go make a demo. So there's no studio in the house. No. Couldn't use it if you had one. Wow. I really appreciate the separation of church and state. Yeah. I like the, appreciate the separation of church and state. That's like Agassi would not, you know, his dad, you know, made him have that to those tennis courts. And, and so he's like, that's his one thing. I think, uh, you know, he's a Vegas guy now too. And it's just like, no tennis court at home.

57:13I'm good. I lived in the house that he and Brooke Shields lived in, in Vegas, in Vegas. It had a really cool history and no tennis court. You're like, wait, there's no tennis court. This is bullshit. What did I sign up for? This is crazy. This is, uh, I also, I mean, look, Sam's Town's one of my all-time records, so I would be remiss if we didn't talk about it a little bit. But I do feel like it's the spiritual predecessor to this. Do you feel that in some ways? Yeah, it was us trying to reconnect and trying to really represent where we were from. So yeah, it is very similar. Did you feel like, I don't remember, because I was always like, I love this, but was the reception, because it was quite different, was it tough at first and it aged well?

57:55Yeah, I actually just did an interview with Rolling Stone before this, and they famously just trashed it. And I was still so, you know, I was sensitive. I didn't have thick skin yet. I was 25, 24, 25. and I my mom used to sing at you know you should be washing dishes singing on the cover of a rolling stone you know when I got a record deal and now here I am getting this you know they did these they did these caricatures of us that were just so emasculating and then they gave us a two-star review and it was just like damn anyway I he just was talking about this reviewer brought it up at the end and said uh you know just wasn't for it just wasn't for the guy you know one man's opinion but that's fine you know it's fine yeah but it did sort of it set the pace yeah it set the pace for for the other reviews yeah i know what you mean like once the the the rock starts rolling down the hill it's it's that's how it's gonna go i'm sure rolling stone eventually will start doing

58:58Jason Stewart:you know revisiting some of like the way pitchfork seems to be doing where they'll go back and sort of right wrongs and correct. I was at the VMAs. I think you guys opened with when we were young at the VMAs when that came out. Yeah. And I was like, oh, this is different, but I like it a lot. And I just, I had a feeling that it was like, man, I think that, you know, people who review records are not going to take kindly to this, but it will age well. It will age well. Yeah, time's been good to it. When you, okay, so when you guys play For Reasons Unknown live, you bring someone up to play bass very often.

59:33Yeah, we stopped doing that, but we did it for a while. Well, that's why I was going to ask you, because I feel like how... Ran out of baseball. I need a percentage on how often that goes wrong. Because I never see it go wrong, but it must. It must. Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, probably... I mean, it was a 50-50. It was like roulette. It was like roulette.

59:56Jason Stewart:What typically goes wrong? Like, what means it went wrong? You wouldn't believe that the confidence people have to get up in front of 40 ,000 people that are not ready to do it. They get up there. Yeah. And I couldn't, you know, that's just shock. I just assume like there are going to be, these people are, you know, they know that we're going to be there. They're going to bring a sign. Yeah, same. They're going to kill it. And it was about 50 % of the time that they had no business. But I'm assuming you're too nice of a person to stop mid-song. Oh, Vanucci, I am, but Vanucci isn't. The drummer isn't.

1:00:31And so he...

1:00:33Jason Stewart:And if he stops, then the song stops. Yeah, and so we would stop it a couple of times. But anyway, when it was good, it was good, man. Yeah, that's like the greatest thing that can happen when it's good. And those are the only ones people remember is when it's just magic. It was like everyone in the room would root for them. And I think they became them up there on Ronnie's throne. and it was like they would you know people would chant their name while they were walking down to back to their place in the audience and it would always like lift to the show but then the bad ones would would literally detour you know that would just derail the show you wouldn't do an encore we're out of here this is bullshit but you you play you play bass on it right like is that the only song you play bass it's the only one yeah but then somebody would come up and drum yeah playing drums is so hard that's just so crazy to do that you're really right though it's like the confidence that you have to have to do that in front of 40 000 people is shocking yeah it's crazy so you stopped doing it ronnie had we stopped we made a put we had and we made it a post about it oh it's been great just because we don't want people to bring you know bring signs they would hold them up for two hours you know holding the signs oh oh i didn't even think about that of course.

1:01:49Jason Stewart:Put the sign down, get the phone up. Enjoy the show. We'll take a phone. Yeah, replace it with an iPad and get a nice 4K video of it. Oh shit, that's really funny. What do you think about the trend of festival lineups as somebody who appears on a lot of them typically at the top as a headliner, what do you feel about them appearing alphabetically listed more so nowadays versus in order of size. Oh, I didn't know they were doing that. Yeah, you see it. You see it. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's more democratic, of course, but it's confusing for the ticket buyer, I would say. You'd have to really, you got to really make sure you have to peruse through the list.

1:02:32What's the number one festival? Glastonbury? I mean, it's just, yes, it's the first thing that comes to mind even when you just say festival. You know, there's just something about it. When did you, have you guys have done it a couple of times? Yeah, it was, so we had a great experience. You know, our first time was in the John Peel tent. And that was like, he's like this, you know, this really beloved musical figure in England. And so to be in that tent was, you know, it's like a kind of a really big deal for a young band. And so we played there, started there, and then moved our way up. They actually asked us to headline the next year and we declined because we just didn't feel like we were ready.

1:03:17Wow. Really? Yeah. And so we waited.

1:03:20Jason Stewart:That only makes them want you more. Smart move. That's true. We did wait and then we did it after Samstown had come out. I would love to see your agent pulling their fucking hair out being like, what do you mean you don't want to do it? I don't understand. What do you mean you don't want to? You want to wait? They might not ask us again. I'm going to push on Glastow this year. But yeah, thanks. Well, what do you... But we played below. I think we played sorry we played Below the White Stripes or something and it was like yeah totally happy to play before then it's still a W for you guys for sure it's still a W do you have anything else Chris or do you think we're good dude I mean no this is great thank you for taking the time I really appreciate it alright thanks thanks guys take it easy I'm gonna drive tonight I'm gonna roll the windows down let the wind wash over me let the whole thing go let it all play out like a melody I'm a lady.

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1:04:48Tennessee 2012.